November 22, 2024 • 40 mins
On this episode of the Giants Huddle podcast, John Schmeelk chats with wide receiver, Wan’Dale Robinson, about his experience with Tommy DeVito under center, he talks to Scott Reynolds, who covers the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for the Pewter Report, and Bob Papa has his weekly sit down with Head Coach Brian Daboll.
:00 - Wan’Dale Robinson
15:25 - Scott Reynolds
31:58 - Coach Daboll
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
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Speaker 3 (00:10):
Welcome to our Friday edition of the Giants Little Podcast,
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New York Football Giants.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
I am John Schmelck.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
It is our audio only edition, our usual Friday fair.
We have our long player interview with Wandell Robinson about
what's going on at the quarterback position, his season, the
wide receiver room, and a little bit of on the
Bucks as well. We're gonna have a closer look at
the Buccaneers with Scott Reynolds and the Pewter Report, and
then we will hear from Brian Dable, who was interviewed
by the voice of the Giants, Bob pap Up.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Let's lead off with Wandoll Robinson.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Now we're joined by Giants wide receiver Waldell Robinson. Wandell,
how are you man?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I'm doing well?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
How'd you buy them?
Speaker 5 (00:46):
Boby was great? Got this, Just spend some time at home,
just relax, let the body recover.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
So yeah, and then you know, you get back and
nice and calm. Nothing, no big news nothing's going on.
Uh So how did you react and find out about
the news with the quarterback change.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
I mean I found out just from everybody, well Dave's
whenever we had our team meeting, let never letting the
team know. And I mean reaction was a little I
was kind of surprised, but then again, at the same time,
you never know what may happen coming off of buy
and obviously they said that they were going to look
and evaluate things. So knowing that they we had some
history with Tommy and had some good games last year,
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just excited for him to get out there.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, Like the reaction to something like this is tough, right,
because you know, Daniel's been doing this a long time.
You guys have had success with him. We all know
how hard he works and he's got all the tools.
But at the same time, I think, and you'll understand this,
averaging the fewest points per game in the league the record,
So how do you kind of square that circle as
a player when you hear that they're making that sort
of change.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
I mean, you just got to look at it, like,
at the end of the day, just keep going out
there doing your job and as a receiver, doing everything
you can to help Tommy make his life a whole
lot easier, being open as much as possible, just allowing
them to have an easy target to get to and
at the end of the day, just kind of getting
trying to get a little spark, and you go out
there to put some more points about there on the board.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So and we'll get Tommy. The second last one on
on Daniel, just to give fans out there an idea
the amount of respect that the teammates have for him
in there. Why is there so much adoration respect for
Daniel in that locker room, not just from you guys
on offense, but from guys on the defensive side of
the ball too.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Just the way he comes in every day. He's the
same person, even whenever the I guess you could so
called benching has happened. Still one of the first guys
in whenever I'm pulling in and you see that, you
see his g wagon, you see his car right there.
So nothing's changed with him. But just even from the
start of the season OTAs, he's always been the same guy,
just coming into work doing everything he could, recovering from
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the acol, making sure he was ready for week one.
Everybody just always sees that and sees how hard he
works and just as a tremendous and not respect for him.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
And how much is it his play style? You know,
for as a quarterback. You know you got the angry
run thing three weeks ago. He's lowering his shoulders running
over linebackers. We're always begging him to slide. He doesn't
want to slide. He's two thirty runs like a running back.
Is the what he plays? The game part of it too?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
I mean a lot of times you can tell not
a lot of stuff fases him, and he tries not
to let the outside noise get into our locker room
and just being an ultimate leader and just trying to
lead us by example and just doing everything he could
out there on the field.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
All right, let's talk about Tommy. You had a lot
of experience with him last year. What is Tommy DeVito
bring to the football field that makes allowed him to
help you, you know, win three straight games with them
last year.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Tommy brings some swag to him. I mean, you know,
he just went ouver he's out there playing. You can
kind of tell that he plays just a little bit
more swag than a lot of other quarterbacks, and he
just has the confidence out there, so a little bit
of a gunslinger and sometimes you know, as the receiver,
we like that a lot and just kind of giving
us some chances. But I think Tommy's doing extremely well
right now.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
So what do you mean by swag? Define that?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
For me?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
It's hard to define.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
It's just like you just kind of see it in
your quarterback and whatever you're out there as receivers, you
can definitely tell whenever your quarterbacks just kind of out
there confident. Bob like just kind of bopping around and
it's kind of like, yeah, this guy, he's in a
groove and you can just kind of toll whenever the
ball is coming out of his army. All right, he
has some confidence with so no.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I talked to Tommy in the offseason, and you know,
when you're in the middle of it, you really can't telp.
But when he looked back at it his rookie year,
he's like, man, I just got thrown into the deep
end and that was tough, and it was drinking out
of a fire hose and it was it was really
really difficult. But he says now it's so much different
having done it. Binning games, getting all these snaps and
that was even before training camp, right, he felt so
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much more comfortable. So where have you seen the progress
that Tommy's made from year one and year two, even
just from the reps you had with him in OTAs.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
I mean, he just has a way more command in
the offense, knowing regards are supposed to be, letting us
know if we're not in the right spot or things
like that, or how he wants a certain thing. Just
it's been really good to see him like that and
just see the growth that he had from last year. Obviously,
I can't imagine being a rookie quarterback in this offense
and everything, all the reads and everything you have to know.
So I mean, just having another year under his belt
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is obviously going to do wonders for him.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
So how does that actually show up on the field
some fans will notice or is it like pre snap
stuff where he's maybe he is an option of two
plays and he's picking the right one that fans don't
even know he's doing that, Like, where is that going
to show up?
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:08):
I don't think the to the naked odd just a
regular fan will be able to notice. And I think
more so whenever he come in and watch the tape
and you're just like, Okay, this guy made the right
read right here. I didn't even think he was going
to make this kind of read, but it was the
right read. And defense might be showing you one thing
and you get a whole different other and you got
to make or read the.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Whole other opposite side of the field. So I definitely
think he's doing a really good job right now.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Though now I feel like you kind of got going
last year right coming back when Tommy slid. I'm sure
some of that was coincidence, just with your feeling healthier
and it kind of came in there together. But does
that give you a little bit more confidence now with
him sluttinger that you guys have a good report?
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Oh yeah, no doubt. And I mean it's nice knowing
he's one of those type of quarterbacks. It's like, hey,
certain plays, I know you're getting mad, I'm coming to you,
and so it's just it's stuff like that. With that
you have real confidence in your quarterback, and it's like,
I got to go out here and get open for
this guy, and you know, scrambled plays he's he might
just give you a chance down the field, just go
make a place.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
So no, Tommy's Tommy's doing it.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I know, it's just the spring and there's no pads,
and a lot of it is install its basic stuff.
But the fact that Daniel still rehabing in the spring
and him and Drew were splitting reps with the ones,
is that going to have a meaningful impact in your
opinion on his ability to slide in there and having
some more chemistry with you, Darius Malik and the rest
of the first team guys on offense.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Yeah, definitely. I mean I think no matter when you
got the reps she as long as you were getting them,
it's going to be a lot easier to get accustomed
to it. And obviously, me, Sleigh and Jalen having Tommy
for however many games last year was going to be
a big help for us because obviously now games can
go and how he's going to be in games and
things like that, and I mean it's been good for
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us in practice, and it was really good for us
in our case as well.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I know the media has written a lot about it,
and a lot of that's conjecture, but when I stepped
into the locker room on Wednesday, and Tommy did a
little press thing and the thing everyone's loud, they're laughing,
they're yelling like. This doesn't seem like it down trodden
locker room. To me, it seems like you guys are
rallying a little bit.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
No.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
I mean, the reality of it is, we we know
we shouldn't be what our record says, so we feel
great going into a lot of games knowing that we
have an opportunity to win and go out and showcase
what we can do. You know, just each and every week,
we just got to go out there and prove it.
We're not down and out about it, so I mean,
we're still having fun. We're all loving up on each
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other in the locker room, and we still care for
one another. So it's not like we're going to be
just down and out now.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I happen to agree with you, and I have my
reasons why I think you guys shouldn't be twoeing it either.
But for a player that's in the lockerman on the field,
why don't you think you guys should be too in it?
Why do you think you're better than what your record
might show.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
A lot of the games we've given away, it hasn't
been a lot of what the other team has done.
It's been more so what we didn't do and the
one little play there, one little play here and there,
and so it's just like it's literally like a sum
of probably ten plays that we could change our change
our record and be completely turned around. But obviously the
passes in the past and got to keep moving forward,
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and that's the only reason we can continue to get
better and just go out and showcase what we can
do and just continue to get wins.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, one and five and one score games, and knowing
that Bengal game and it'll be a ten point loss,
but that was a one score game the entire time too,
So it's really more like one and six, right, So
I'm with you on that. A big part of that
is red zone, right, and not just scoring touchdowns in
the red zone. You guys, almost thirty percent of your
red zone appearances, you've scored zero points. Right, You've had
seven red zone turnovers.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
How do you.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Turn that part around? Because to your point, in the
red zone, a couple of players here or there, a
couple of field goals. However you want to look at it,
some of these one score games could go a lot different,
So what can get better in the red zone to
just get more points on the board to match maybe
some of your other offensive metrics.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Definitely just locking in on all details, especially whenever we
get down there, just hounting in even more than what
we had already done to get down there or whatever
it was that we may have done. And then obviously
just taking care of the ball, whether that's as a runner,
not fumbling, doubling in trouble, like we call it, putting
both hands covering the ball.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
You know, this is.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Especially with this team that we're going to be going against.
They like to go after the ball, and obviously you
want to do your best to do what you can
to get open for the quarterback. And obviously we hope
that they make the right choices back there as well.
And so I think we get all those things covered
up and we'll be scorn points.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
When you would a chance to take the twenty thousand
look at the team at the buy when you're kind
of chilling at home and just relaxing, what are some
of the things that came to mind for you, And
even when you got back with your coaches and your
meetings Monday and Tuesday. That aside from the redsue stuff
which already touched on, that you think would be some
of the maybe easy is the wrong word, but some
of the you know, easier things to pinpoint that you
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can say, all right, if we turn these couple things around,
we can make the second half of the year a
lot better than the first half.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
I know, from a receiver standpoint, we want some more explosives,
just having shorter drives. Let's have a couple three four
play drives rather than some ten play drives.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
So you guys lead the league at average driving, that's yeah, so.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
We want to As for us, we want to hit
a couple more big plays just to give our old
line some more breadth and more breathing room and then
even allow our defense. I feel like even with explosives,
our defense kind of gets excited with those and it
kind of allows them to go out there and play
better as well.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
What can the wide receiver unit as a group, and
I know you guys are on the drugs machines all
the time to try to clean up some of those
passes that I'm sure you think you should have came
up with, but especially in critical spots. As a group.
Maybe you guys have to come up with some of
the balls you think you should have.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Yeah, I mean that's just catching the ball, looking it
all the way in, not trying to do too much.
Feel like we're also we feel like we're also dynamic
with the ball in our hands. We try to do
a lot after sometimes before we make sure we securely
catch got to catch it first, right, Yeah, I know, especially,
I know that's one thing for me. I definitely was
trying to harp on myself with was licking it all
the way in and working on my catch mechanics and
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things like that with my training back at home, but
just definitely doing a lot of different things just to make.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Sure that we're right there on top of everything.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So for you, why do you think your season's gone
so far? I know you're very excited about this year.
We talked in the offseason, you know, first year where
you're not rehabbing, you're not a rookie. It's like a
real off season. You can actually get ready for the
season the right way. How do you think the season's
gone for you?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
I feel like season's gone all right. Obviously, feel like
there were some things out there that I wish I
had back, but I really feel like for this final half,
the final half of the year, you can really go
out there and showcase what I really can do. And
looking forward to getting on the field a little bit
more and just continue to get open.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Do you feel yourself still improving as an athlete as
you get off of further away from the injury, are
you still you think accelerating?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah, no question.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
I mean there's still some movements out there that I
may not be comfortable doing because I hadn't done it before,
and some things I might see on tape, and it's
just kind of like, okay, week by week, it's each
each week is getting better whatever I can or can't do.
So definitely filling speed and exposedly this all the way
back and just making sure that I'm always there.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
They'reing good with my routes.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
So one question we get from fans a lot, I
like to get your answer to it. They say, I
don't understand why do the Giants on like a third
and seventh or five yard pass in front of the sticks.
But I try to explain, Look, those players are designed
to create separation to get yack after the playing, So
explain from an x's and o's inside the room receiver
football standpoint. Why fans should not be driven nuts by
seeing that five yard catch on third and seven.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Well, obviously, there's sometimes there might be a route that's
behind George where you can't get enough debt, where your
depth is kind of limited to a certain point, like
for that Carolina game, I was kind of limited to
how deep I could get when the dB.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Broke the ball up.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
But and then some of the options routes as well,
you know, you're kind of working your man and then
whenever you break open your that's kind of what those
routes are. Kind of catch and run and good ball
placement and allow you to do things after the catch
with it. So usually if whenever you catch a five
out option, you should definitely be able to get some
more after as long as you have some good ball placement.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
All right, Mollie Davers, how is he handled kind of
all the ups and downs of this year just for
the team. I'm sure he's never probably lost this many
games in the season in his life. That's tough, you know,
he said, between the percussions some of the drops for
him too. How is he handled all of this as
a rookie in the NFL, which I'm sure can't be easy.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Yeah, I mean, especially for him. I mean, he's handled
like a pro. I can't imagine you're thrown into the fire,
number six pick and you get drafted to the New
York media and obviously some of the things that have
happened that we're unfortunate, and he's made too many plays
for him to keep his head down and do well
on those. But he's handled like a pro. He's coming
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in each and every week trying to get better. Whatever
he can do to help us out, help any of
his other teammates out, he's going to do so.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Do you still see his ceiling and what he does
in practice and it's sky high?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Oh yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
There's definitely usually a player to today it's just kind
of like, damn, what the heck do this? And so no,
he's he's definitely special and he's a really good dude
as well, even whenever it comes off the football.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Do you think Hyatt's ability to get more involved in
Munich might be a little bit of a preview of
things to come for the rest of the.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Year, Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
I mean, obviously, just continue to work in practice and
show showcase what you can do there, and whenevery opportunity
is come in the game, you got to make the
most of them. So I feel like what he did
against the Panthers was really good and felt like the
coaches really liked what he did.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
So hopefully seeing him more out there.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
All right, go want to talk to you real quickly
about the box. Does a game like this gets you
excited for a team that blitzes so much in plays
Man's that you have a chance to get some of
those one one opportunities?
Speaker 4 (14:15):
For sure?
Speaker 5 (14:15):
I definitely like teams the pressure and then whenever they
are impressing, it's just a lot of his own So
I feel like I can read zone coveragees pretty well
as well. So yeah, I'm definitely definitely excited.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
What are some of the keys for an offense to
do well against the team that brings pressures often as
they do well?
Speaker 5 (14:29):
One, you just got to communicate, especially for those guys
up fronting in the backs, and whenever we are throwing
the ball, communicating and sorting out the pressures and things
like that. And then for us, it's making sure that
we're on our landmarks and being where we're supposed to
be on time obviously because they got that's coming up.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
And then finally, what do you see from their secondary
and ol Jamill Dean might be back this week, one
of the better corners. What do you see from him?
And the kind of the rest of their defensive back
to Lantin Winfields obviously a tremendous player.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Yeah, no, they're they're really good. Back In played against
Winfield my freshman year of college, so got a little
bit of history with him. But I mean, the corners
are an athletic group. Nicholas physical guy, so we're excited
to go against those guys.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
But definitely gotta come ready.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
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Speaker 2 (15:10):
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Speaker 3 (15:11):
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Speaker 5 (15:15):
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Speaker 2 (15:41):
Fun to talk to him today.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
All right, let's head over to Scott Reynolds and the
Pewter Report. He is our scouting report on the Buccaneers,
and now we're joined by Scott Reynolds. He does a
great job covering the tenth day Buccaneers for the Pewter Report.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Scott's joined us before. Scott.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Your season's going a little bit better than the Giants,
though you're dealing with the losing streak of your How
you doing today, man?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Doing good? Just waiting for one of these teams to
win a game five losing or five game losing streak
for the Giants, four game losing streak for the Bucks.
I think something's got to give. We don't want to
see this game in in a tie.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Absolutely, And you know, I'll get to the specifics and
the injuries in a second. But both these teams have
had a similar issue where they've played a ton of
closed games here but they just haven't been able to
close them out at the end.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, and it really it's it's Todd
Bowles defense. That's been the culprit. You go back to
the overtime losses at Atlanta and at Kansas City, and
then most recently right before the bye week losing twenty
three to twenty to the forty nine ers. Ti Bowles
defense was on the field on all three of those
games and allowed the game winning score, whether it's field
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goal or touchdowns, and that's really been frustrating because he's
a defensive mind to head coach, helped this team win
his Super Bowl in twenty twenty, and it just has
not found the right buttons to push this year. Tampa
Bays pass defense is terrible. They're scoring defense is bad.
They have not even stopped the run exceptionally well, so
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they're searching for answers and the pass rush has not
really gotten home. This team has not picked off a
pass since Week six when they when they had an
interception or two against Spencer Rattler in New Orleans. So
they're gonna have to really rebound. And this should be
a get well game for Todd Bowles defense given the
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fact that the Giants struggle to score points. But Todd
Bowles has also made unheralded quarterbacks look formidable and that
might be the case with Tommy Debato.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
All right, so let me follow up before we get
to the injuries. Then, why do you think the defense
is having so many issues? I know the Bucks have
lost some guys personal wise, we could talk about the
cornerback position. Obviously, Jamal Dean might be back this week,
but you still have Vitavey upfront.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I know you don't have the edge rushers it used
to have.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
But Todd Bowles's system is fairly proven, right, It's been
good in this league for a good amount of time.
So why do you think the defense has struggled as
much as it has?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Well, I don't know that he's adapted too much. He
runs some quarters, he'll play that that cover three fire
zone defense, and it's you know, these aren't These aren't
new defensive schemes the area. These are defensive schemes that
have been around, and you have to evolve in the NFL.
It's adapter die and we've seen offenses evolve, and we've
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seen some defenses of all. But I don't know that
there's been an evolution here. I think Todd has stuck
to what he's done so much that it's it's kind
of detrimental now. Plus on top of that, you pay
a playmaker like Antoine Winfield Junior, who might have had
the best defensive season of any defender in the league
last year. We're talking over one hundred and twenty tackles,
three interceptions, six sacks, six forced fumbles, four fumble recoveries,
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a herculean type year. And he does have a scooping
score this year, but has not been involved in any
other turnovers. And he's missed four games due to injury.
You mentioned injuries that that's been part of the reason
why this defense has been so disjointed. Jimmel Dean's missed
four games earlier in the season, Winfield missed four games.
They lost for Vassi A. Dennis, their best coverage linebacker
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in Week four to a season ending shoulder injury. He
was really the best linebacker on the team. And they
just have not had that pass rush. So it's really
been a struggle for Todd Bowles to press the right
buttons to get this defense going. But you know, his
playmakers have not made plays this year, the guys that
he's counted on to, and they're still searching for answers
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coming out of the bye week.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
It's funny you mentioned the Bucks no picks since Week six.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
You said the Giants haven't had one since Week one
against Sam Darnold, and that was a deflection that got
picked off by a rookie linebacker, Darius Mussau. So there's
second there doesn't have an interception since week one, which
is you know, eventually a quarterback should probably just airmail
one and it should go right to your safety, right,
especially when you're second in the league in sacks, But
for some reason that hasn't really happened yet this year
for the Giants. Jameel Dean, how much can he maybe
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impact what the Bucks are going to do with their
pressure rates and their boots packages. They obviously need guys
to cover one on one and oh, Dean does have
the traits of a guy that you know, you could
probably put out there on elite neighbors and feel like
he's going to be able to hold his own a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah. And at the same time, though he's coming back
when the team might be with that Zion McCollum, who
might be a game time decision. So Todd Bowles would
love to have both of the starting corners out there
because the times that that has not happened. And when
he said one starter Zion McCollum, he can shut down guys,
but not having that other guy presents some target opportunities,
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you know, and Mylik Neighbors has proven to be a
dangerous guy. I don't think we've seen the best of
him yet because he does have that four to three
five speed and has not really stretched the field as
often as as the Giants would have liked, you know,
a ten yard receiving average, longest play thirty nine yards.
But maybe this is the game where he has put
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up against the opposite cornerback from Jamel d and whether
it's Josh Hayes or the newcomer Troy Hill, and really
has some opportunities down the field if Tommy Debido can
push the ball down the field. So, you know, it
concerns me because again Todd Bowles, there have been some
games where if you look at bo Nixon's coming out party,
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it was against Todd Bowles defense, you know, back in
Week three where Nicks had thrown four interceptions and no
touchdowns and had a complete role reversal and played like
he's playing now. And that started in Tampa Bay. So
Tommy Debido can hurt you scrambling and also extending plays
with his mobility, and they're going to have to plaster
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these giants receivers, whether it's Slayton, whether it's you know,
Windale Robinson or Elik Neighbors.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, and you mentioned the big play stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Neighbors has not had a twenty yard reception since he
returned from that concussion four weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
So the big plays.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
He's got a lot of targets, a lot of catches,
but the big plays have not been there in the
last month or so football for him. Final one of
the defense, how about the run defense. You know, Vidavan,
we know what a great player he's been. Is he
still playing at that level on a down in, down
out basis or is that one of the issues they're
having with the run defense.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah, you know, the defensive tackles have played exceptionally well.
I think Vita had a fantastic game at Kansas City.
Ten tackles, two sacks on Patrick Mahomes. Elijah Cansey, the
other defensive tackle last year's first round pick. He had
a pair of sacks against Mahomes as well in Kansas City.
He's come on He's got four sacks in the last
five games since he's returned from a calf injury that
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cost them the first part of the season. So the
defensive tackle position is not a problem. Even Logan Hall,
they're kind of disappointing former top pick. He's got three
sacks on the season. So it's not the interior of
the defensive line. It's on the edges where they really
have struggled. And so maybe Tyrone Tracy today find some
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success off tackle or getting to the outside. Tampa Bay's
linebackers not very fast. kJ Britz, pretty slow, Levonte David
slowing down at age thirty four. We've really seen that
that kind of fall off this year in his play
still get it done, but not that play maker that
he used to be. So Tyron Tracy I could see
with that five point one yard average having a pretty
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decent day against Tampa Bay, and I think they'll lean
on the running game trying to get that going to
help Tommy DeVito and not put all the pressure on
him to make plays. And then the other thing too
is Tampa Bay's not tackled well, so that's going to
lend itself when you've got a back that that has
some size of five two and ten pounds to break
some tackles. Shoot, they allowed Kirk Cousins, who's a statue
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to run thirteen yards for a first down back in
Tampa in week was that Week nine or week ten?
And so you know they just they need to tackle
better and that that's not just Tyrone and Tracy, that's
also the yards past the line of scrimmage that DeVito
can get with his legs and scrambles.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, with all the talk about Saquon Barkley Departy, the
Giants run game in tyroonn Tracy has probably be the
best part of their offense that really has not been
the problem ironically.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
All right, let's go to the.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Bucks offense and Scott I think they've done an admirable
job keeping up moving the ball without Chris Godwin. Mike
Evans has been out, Tristan Wurfs has missed time, and
now you're starting to get some of those guys back.
So give me a status of for kind of where
we are overall with this Bucks offense and who we
might see on the field on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Well, it looks like Mike Evans will play in this game.
That's good news because they've certainly missed having a credible
wide receiver out there. It's really been Kadot in a
tight end who's had to step up for Baker Mayfield.
And really a lot of credit goes to rookie offensive
play caller offensive coordinator Liam Cohen. He has done a
masterful job. When this team was at full strength through
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the Baltimore Ravens game, they were averaging thirty points per
game and that was like up there in the top
three or four teams in the league. And since losing
both Mike Evans and Chris Godwin and Godwin's out for
the year at the dislocated ankle in that Ravens game,
the Buccaneers still put up twenty four points on offense
against the Falcons and then twenty four points on the
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Kansas City Chiefs in Arrowhead, And that's a much better
defense with Chris Jones and everybody up front. And then
they put up twenty points against again another stout defense
with the forty nine ers missed an opportunity or two
in the red zone for even more points. But the
fact that Liam Cohen has the creativity, the adaptability the
high football IQ to lean on the running game and
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really involve Bucky Irving and Rashad White in the screen
game and in the passing game. It's allowed Baker Mayfield
to still move the ball, put up points, and keep
this team in games. The problem has not been on
the offensive side, even without Evans and Godwin. It's been
on the defensive side. So now you have Mike Evans back.
The concern in Tampa, though, is does Baker Mayfield try
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to force the ball to him a little too much
just because he's back and he's been missed. I think
they that he has to let Evans's plays come to him.
But at the same time, this will free up some
things offensively for some other players. I think now you're
going to see coverages roll towards Evan's side, and that
should give more opportunities for single coverage against some of
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these other targets that Tampa Bay has.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
And have teams play two safeties back against the run game. Yeah,
I think you guys have really developed a really impressive
two headed mon So, you know, Rashad White is your
past receiver also kind of your you know, downhill power back.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, while Bucky Irvin has you.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Know, it's funny I love this college tape, but I
kept saying to myself, he's like really small and not fast,
So how is he going to say? See in the
NFL and long and behold the tape held up. He's
been doing a good job.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
He's been that guy. You know. He doesn't have like
the breakaway speed that Work Done had coming out of
Florida State back in ninety seven when he was like
rookie of the year and burst on the scene. You
had Mike al Stott and Work down the WD forty backfield.
But he runs like wark Done and the fact that
he's small, he's five nine, one hundred and ninety two
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pounds a little bit heavier than Done was not as fast,
doesn't have the breakaway speed, but he's ripped off some
thirty yard runs because he's very elusive. His great vision,
has a very kind of instinctive running style that makes
the first guy miss gets to the second level with
the regularity, just is missing that extra gear to go
from the second level to the third level and take
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a seventeen yard run and turn it into a seventy
yard run. He's not that guy, but he's very effective.
And the NFL, by and large is not a seventy
yard touchdown run league. That's in college. But if you
can rip off you know these five, six, seven, eight, ten, twelve,
fifteen yard runs like it works. And I think you
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look at the at the top two rookie rushers in
the NFL. It's Tyrone Tracy right who has the title
right now, and a few yards behind him is Bucky Irping.
Both those guys are averaging five point one yards per carry,
and I think really at the end of this game,
the running back who has the most yards is probably
going to be on the winning team because both of
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these teams are going to come in looking to run
to win this game. It's going to be a big
staple of the offense for both teams because the passing
game is not as robust without Chris Godwin as it
is in Tampa and Tommy DeVito's you know, going to
be playing for the first time this year. Really, so
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I think that this will come down to whoever has
the better game between Tyrone Tracy and Bucky Irving probably
will be on the winning team.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Final question, I'll make it a two part before your
Scott Tristan Worf's were we with him in the Bucks
offensive line. And then part two of that is Baker
still a little bit reckless. I think it's too strong
of a word, but will He's still with his confident
way of playing. Put the ball into some areas and
give the defense a chance to make some plays on
the ball.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
You know, he did that a little bit against the
Falcons without having Mike and Chris in the game. But
the last two games against the Chiefs and the forty
nine Ers, he's done a really good job of avoiding interceptions. Again,
the concern there is with Mike Evans back, is he
going to get a little too greedy and try to
force things in there make up for lost time with Mike.
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That's something he has to safeguard himself against there. And
I think that he knows that the margin for error
for the Buccaneers is not great at all, Like this
will come down to whoever wins the turnover battle probably
wins the game. Matter of fact, the Buccaneers have actually
been plus one in the turnover margin over the last
two games against the Chiefs and the forty nine Ers
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and still lost close games. So if Baker throws an
interception or two, they're not going to win this game,
and I think he realizes that. To Tristan Wurf's point,
the injury that he's sustained against the forty nine ers
was not as bad as it initially seemed. It's a
PCL sprain or I believe in it's an MCL sprain.
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So he actually was practicing this week. I don't think
the team plays him. They're going to make sure when
he comes back, he's going to come back for good.
Justin School is the swing tackle and he got some
playing time against the forty nine ers last week. Gave
up a sack to Nick Bosa. Know there's no shame
in that Boas is one of the best pass rushers
in the league. But School started four games at right
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tackle this year in place of Luke Gettikey and got
better every single week that he played, after a rough
outing in Detroit when he gave up three sacks to
Aiden Hutchinson. But the fact that he's played, I think
gives this team some confidence. But it's really going to
be decided in the trenches. When you look at at
the rookie Graham Barton the center against Dexter Lawrence, that
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that's a key matchup to watch. But also to the
tackles Luke Gettikey on the right side, justin school that
backup tackle on the left side. Can they keep Brian
Burns and Azizo Gelai off of Baker Mayfield and let
him find Mike Evans and have enough time to find
him field.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah, And it looks like Keavon tib will be back
as well this week. And they better not just have
graam Bar and tried to block Dexter Lawrence by himself
because that does not does generally go well for anybody
that plays center or gordon the league. And I'll leave
it with this guy as we say goodbye. You mentioned
the turnover stuff for the box. Here's a stat you
can use on your stuff over the weekend. Okay, so
the Giants have played ten games this week this year.
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They have not won the turnover battle in any game.
They've been either even or minus in every single game
this year.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
I had the folks over at Statsink look this up
for me. They have stats going back to nineteen fifty.
It is the longest single season streak in the history
of the New York Football Giants.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Wow. That's that's something. And unfortunately that speaks to the record.
You know you have to protect the ball to win
the game more often than not. And if you're not
winning the turnover battle, you know you're probably not winning
the games.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, Giants are two and two in the games where
they've been even and they are zero to six in
the games that they've been negative. So they'll try to
break that streak this weekend. Scott, good stuff, by friend.
Tell the folks who they can find all your fantastic work.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
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Speaker 2 (31:54):
Scott, good stuff. Man, have enjoyed the game on Sunday.
We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Appreciate it. Thank you.
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Good stuff from Scott. We appreciate him joining us, getting
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us all the insight we need on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Now,
let's turn to the head coach of the NYG, Brian Dable,
with the voice of the NYG, Bob Popo.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
As always were joined by the head coach of the
New York Giants, Brian Dabel. Giants coming off the bike
coach obviously made the switch at quarterback that news broke
earlier this week.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
How has the.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
Team reacted and how has Tommy DeVito reacted to the
workload this week as far as getting ready for the
specific game.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
Yeah, Tommy's doing everything he can do to prepare himself
to play against a tough defense, a pressure defense, and
everybody else is trying to do the same thing. They're
trying to improve everything they can improve players, coaches, and
to get ready to play, to play a good game.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Coach.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Obviously, last year he got six starts for you and
he played well. For you in the preseason this year.
What areas of growth have you seen in him from
going year one as an undrafted rookie free agent to
year two over the NFL.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
Well, he's been in the system for a year, and
I think experience helps. He's got to play, you know,
start six games last year and playing a couple other ones.
You know, time will tell in terms of him getting
out there and playing. And you know there's areas of
improvement that we've talked to him about and he's working
hard to improve.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
On him all right. One of the things that's been
great for you guys is Tyrone Tracy and you know,
a combination of he and Devin Singletary and the entire
run game. Talk about the challenges that you're gonna have
to deal with today going against this Tampa Bay front
led by v to B.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
Yeah, that's that's the start of it. He's a he's
a tough man to block. You know, we're gonna have
to do a good job of getting a hat for
a hat and you know there'll be some some tough
yards in there. But you know, being able to run
the football has been good for us. It helps us
with everything else. Staying on track, minimizing some some third
down situations where they'd really like to get after the quarterback.
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So it'll be an important part. It'll be it'll be
a tough challenge. They have a lot of good players,
you know, David's been a you know, historically a good
player Winfield via a Gabby has has really come on
here in his second year, and it'll be it'll be
a challenge, but something that you know, we're gonna have
to do a good job with.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Todd Bowles has always been about kind of bringing pressures
and they do it in a lot of different ways.
How important is it, you know, for communication? Obviously it's
a home game, so crowd noise shouldn't be a factor,
but being able to communicate because he's gonna give a
lot of different looks. As far as ways that he
likes to get to his pressure, Yeah, no question about it.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
Todd's been doing it for a long time. You know,
worked with him back in twenty eleven. He's been successful
at doing it. He gives you a variety of looks.
They're challenging. You know, it was a long bye week,
long week getting ready for him because of the looks
that they present and We're gonna have to do a
good job of communicating the center position, the quarterback position,
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all the linemen tied in together. You know, it'll be
important to try to stay out of those situations as well,
you know, the second and longs, the third and lungs
where you know, there's a variety of them and it
requires a tremendous amount of detail communication to be able
to operate. You know, you see so many games that
they've played and there's a lot of free runners on
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the quarterback in the past game or in the run game.
So we're all gonna have to be tied in. That'll
be a huge element to this game.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Go to the other side of the ball. Baker Mayfield
in year number two with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, he's
accounted for the third most touchdowns of any quarterback in
the NFL Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, and then Baker Mayfield's
accounted for twenty six twenty four passing two running. You know,
he's a gunslinger. We saw the play that he had
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against San Francisco where he's you know, basically stiff arming
a defensive lineman and still getting the completion out of it.
What is it about Baker that creates such a burden
and pressure on a defense.
Speaker 7 (36:31):
Yeah, he's a very smart player. Had an opportunity to
meet Baker back in twenty eighteen when we looked at quarterbacks.
He's strong, he's accurate, he's a competitor. He's a fiery competitor,
I would say, a leader. He's not afraid to pull
the trigger. He plays with good timing. Players rally around him.
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You can see the leadership that he has. And you know,
he's done a nice job job here at Tampa Bay,
and he's had his own journey, and you know when
we evaluate him and worked him out and got to
meet him, was a big fan of him then, and
you know he's had his own journey in the NFL
and he's really doing a nice job here with Tampa.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
Someone that you know and that I know well, Charlie
Weiss was a big fan of Baker, and he always
said he's like a pied piper. He's a natural leader
and teammates gravitate toward him. Do you see that when
you watch the film of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, that
he is sort of that central figure in kind of
rallying the team.
Speaker 7 (37:35):
Yeah, absolutely. You know saw that back in twenty eighteen.
You know, he's you know, he's got a good way
about himself in terms of how he plays and bringing
people along with him, giving guys opportunities to make plays,
and he trusts what he sees, he lets it rip,
and he plays with a very aggressive mindset, whether he's
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throwing the ball or at times running with the football.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
Speaking of running, they have two backs that bring a
little different styles, but they can bring a level of
physicality that's pretty impressive. Talk about White and Irving and
the challenges that they put against the defense because they
both can catch the ball out of the backfield, they
make explosive plays. What are some of the things that
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make them unique and that will be difficult for your
defense to deal with today.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
Yeah, I'd say they both have great contact, balance, vision,
open field running, all the things that good running backs have,
and they do it at a high level. They got
good speed, short space quickness, make a yards when they
get the ball in their hand. That's the most important
thing for a running back, and both of them do
that well.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Coach, obviously, they lost Godwin who's a good vertical threat,
and Mike Evans is coming off a hamstring injury. When
you look at Evans, I mean he's got the streak
of a thousand yard receiving years in a row, and
he's really good with contested balls. When you're dealing with
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a guy like a Mike Evans is something that have
to be reminded of your players, is like, at any moment,
the ball's coming and the play's never over with him.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
Yeah, you know, one of the better receivers to ever
do it. Impressive career. He's very instinctive player. He's got
unbelievable hands, catch radius. They'll move him in spots and
you know, the closer you get to the goal line,
the more he even shows up. And you know, even
when he's covered at times he's not covered because of
his ball skills and his ability to adjust and make
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plays on contested catches. Fantastic player.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
And just finally, Sterling Shepherd, obviously a long time Giant,
is with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He's had some success
here this year. You had a chance to coach him
for two years. He was a fantastic player for this franchise.
What was it like coaching coaching a guy I like Shephard?
Speaker 7 (40:01):
Yeah, A lot of energy. Competitive, competitive person, you know,
very smart, instinctive receiver, knows how to set up guys
and routes and he's been doing it for a long
time too, and he's doing a nice job down there
as well.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
Coach, we appreciate a couple of minutes. Thanks for the time,
and we'll turn it around on a short week on
Thursday in Dallas.
Speaker 7 (40:20):
Thanks Bob.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
That's the head coach of the New York Giants, Brian Dable.
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It is our audio only edition, our usual Friday fair.
We have our long player interview with Wandell Robinson about
what's going on at the quarterback position, his season, the
wide receiver room, and a little bit of on the
Bucks as well. We're gonna have a closer look at
the Buccaneers with Scott Reynolds and the Pewter Report, and
then we will hear from Brian Dable, who was interviewed
by the voice of the Giants, Bob pap Up.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Let's lead off with Wandoll Robinson.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Now we're joined by Giants wide receiver Waldell Robinson. Wandell,
how are you man?
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I'm doing well?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
How'd you buy them?
Speaker 5 (00:46):
Boby was great? Got this, Just spend some time at home,
just relax, let the body recover.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
So yeah, and then you know, you get back and
nice and calm. Nothing, no big news nothing's going on.
Uh So how did you react and find out about
the news with the quarterback change.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
I mean I found out just from everybody, well Dave's
whenever we had our team meeting, let never letting the
team know. And I mean reaction was a little I
was kind of surprised, but then again, at the same time,
you never know what may happen coming off of buy
and obviously they said that they were going to look
and evaluate things. So knowing that they we had some
history with Tommy and had some good games last year,
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just excited for him to get out there.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, Like the reaction to something like this is tough, right,
because you know, Daniel's been doing this a long time.
You guys have had success with him. We all know
how hard he works and he's got all the tools.
But at the same time, I think, and you'll understand this,
averaging the fewest points per game in the league the record,
So how do you kind of square that circle as
a player when you hear that they're making that sort
of change.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
I mean, you just got to look at it, like,
at the end of the day, just keep going out
there doing your job and as a receiver, doing everything
you can to help Tommy make his life a whole
lot easier, being open as much as possible, just allowing
them to have an easy target to get to and
at the end of the day, just kind of getting
trying to get a little spark, and you go out
there to put some more points about there on the board.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So and we'll get Tommy. The second last one on
on Daniel, just to give fans out there an idea
the amount of respect that the teammates have for him
in there. Why is there so much adoration respect for
Daniel in that locker room, not just from you guys
on offense, but from guys on the defensive side of
the ball too.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Just the way he comes in every day. He's the
same person, even whenever the I guess you could so
called benching has happened. Still one of the first guys
in whenever I'm pulling in and you see that, you
see his g wagon, you see his car right there.
So nothing's changed with him. But just even from the
start of the season OTAs, he's always been the same guy,
just coming into work doing everything he could, recovering from
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the acol, making sure he was ready for week one.
Everybody just always sees that and sees how hard he
works and just as a tremendous and not respect for him.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
And how much is it his play style? You know,
for as a quarterback. You know you got the angry
run thing three weeks ago. He's lowering his shoulders running
over linebackers. We're always begging him to slide. He doesn't
want to slide. He's two thirty runs like a running back.
Is the what he plays? The game part of it too?
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
I mean a lot of times you can tell not
a lot of stuff fases him, and he tries not
to let the outside noise get into our locker room
and just being an ultimate leader and just trying to
lead us by example and just doing everything he could
out there on the field.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
All right, let's talk about Tommy. You had a lot
of experience with him last year. What is Tommy DeVito
bring to the football field that makes allowed him to
help you, you know, win three straight games with them
last year.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Tommy brings some swag to him. I mean, you know,
he just went ouver he's out there playing. You can
kind of tell that he plays just a little bit
more swag than a lot of other quarterbacks, and he
just has the confidence out there, so a little bit
of a gunslinger and sometimes you know, as the receiver,
we like that a lot and just kind of giving
us some chances. But I think Tommy's doing extremely well
right now.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
So what do you mean by swag? Define that?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
For me?
Speaker 4 (03:46):
It's hard to define.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
It's just like you just kind of see it in
your quarterback and whatever you're out there as receivers, you
can definitely tell whenever your quarterbacks just kind of out
there confident. Bob like just kind of bopping around and
it's kind of like, yeah, this guy, he's in a
groove and you can just kind of toll whenever the
ball is coming out of his army. All right, he
has some confidence with so no.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
I talked to Tommy in the offseason, and you know,
when you're in the middle of it, you really can't telp.
But when he looked back at it his rookie year,
he's like, man, I just got thrown into the deep
end and that was tough, and it was drinking out
of a fire hose and it was it was really
really difficult. But he says now it's so much different
having done it. Binning games, getting all these snaps and
that was even before training camp, right, he felt so
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much more comfortable. So where have you seen the progress
that Tommy's made from year one and year two, even
just from the reps you had with him in OTAs.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
I mean, he just has a way more command in
the offense, knowing regards are supposed to be, letting us
know if we're not in the right spot or things
like that, or how he wants a certain thing. Just
it's been really good to see him like that and
just see the growth that he had from last year. Obviously,
I can't imagine being a rookie quarterback in this offense
and everything, all the reads and everything you have to know.
So I mean, just having another year under his belt
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is obviously going to do wonders for him.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
So how does that actually show up on the field
some fans will notice or is it like pre snap
stuff where he's maybe he is an option of two
plays and he's picking the right one that fans don't
even know he's doing that, Like, where is that going
to show up?
Speaker 4 (05:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:08):
I don't think the to the naked odd just a
regular fan will be able to notice. And I think
more so whenever he come in and watch the tape
and you're just like, Okay, this guy made the right
read right here. I didn't even think he was going
to make this kind of read, but it was the
right read. And defense might be showing you one thing
and you get a whole different other and you got
to make or read the.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Whole other opposite side of the field. So I definitely
think he's doing a really good job right now.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Though now I feel like you kind of got going
last year right coming back when Tommy slid. I'm sure
some of that was coincidence, just with your feeling healthier
and it kind of came in there together. But does
that give you a little bit more confidence now with
him sluttinger that you guys have a good report?
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Oh yeah, no doubt. And I mean it's nice knowing
he's one of those type of quarterbacks. It's like, hey,
certain plays, I know you're getting mad, I'm coming to you,
and so it's just it's stuff like that. With that
you have real confidence in your quarterback, and it's like,
I got to go out here and get open for
this guy, and you know, scrambled plays he's he might
just give you a chance down the field, just go
make a place.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
So no, Tommy's Tommy's doing it.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I know, it's just the spring and there's no pads,
and a lot of it is install its basic stuff.
But the fact that Daniel still rehabing in the spring
and him and Drew were splitting reps with the ones,
is that going to have a meaningful impact in your
opinion on his ability to slide in there and having
some more chemistry with you, Darius Malik and the rest
of the first team guys on offense.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Yeah, definitely. I mean I think no matter when you
got the reps she as long as you were getting them,
it's going to be a lot easier to get accustomed
to it. And obviously, me, Sleigh and Jalen having Tommy
for however many games last year was going to be
a big help for us because obviously now games can
go and how he's going to be in games and
things like that, and I mean it's been good for
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us in practice, and it was really good for us
in our case as well.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
I know the media has written a lot about it,
and a lot of that's conjecture, but when I stepped
into the locker room on Wednesday, and Tommy did a
little press thing and the thing everyone's loud, they're laughing,
they're yelling like. This doesn't seem like it down trodden
locker room. To me, it seems like you guys are
rallying a little bit.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
No.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
I mean, the reality of it is, we we know
we shouldn't be what our record says, so we feel
great going into a lot of games knowing that we
have an opportunity to win and go out and showcase
what we can do. You know, just each and every week,
we just got to go out there and prove it.
We're not down and out about it, so I mean,
we're still having fun. We're all loving up on each
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other in the locker room, and we still care for
one another. So it's not like we're going to be
just down and out now.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
I happen to agree with you, and I have my
reasons why I think you guys shouldn't be twoeing it either.
But for a player that's in the lockerman on the field,
why don't you think you guys should be too in it?
Why do you think you're better than what your record
might show.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
A lot of the games we've given away, it hasn't
been a lot of what the other team has done.
It's been more so what we didn't do and the
one little play there, one little play here and there,
and so it's just like it's literally like a sum
of probably ten plays that we could change our change
our record and be completely turned around. But obviously the
passes in the past and got to keep moving forward,
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and that's the only reason we can continue to get
better and just go out and showcase what we can
do and just continue to get wins.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, one and five and one score games, and knowing
that Bengal game and it'll be a ten point loss,
but that was a one score game the entire time too,
So it's really more like one and six, right, So
I'm with you on that. A big part of that
is red zone, right, and not just scoring touchdowns in
the red zone. You guys, almost thirty percent of your
red zone appearances, you've scored zero points. Right, You've had
seven red zone turnovers.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
How do you.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Turn that part around? Because to your point, in the
red zone, a couple of players here or there, a
couple of field goals. However you want to look at it,
some of these one score games could go a lot different,
So what can get better in the red zone to
just get more points on the board to match maybe
some of your other offensive metrics.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Definitely just locking in on all details, especially whenever we
get down there, just hounting in even more than what
we had already done to get down there or whatever
it was that we may have done. And then obviously
just taking care of the ball, whether that's as a runner,
not fumbling, doubling in trouble, like we call it, putting
both hands covering the ball.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
You know, this is.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Especially with this team that we're going to be going against.
They like to go after the ball, and obviously you
want to do your best to do what you can
to get open for the quarterback. And obviously we hope
that they make the right choices back there as well.
And so I think we get all those things covered
up and we'll be scorn points.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
When you would a chance to take the twenty thousand
look at the team at the buy when you're kind
of chilling at home and just relaxing, what are some
of the things that came to mind for you, And
even when you got back with your coaches and your
meetings Monday and Tuesday. That aside from the redsue stuff
which already touched on, that you think would be some
of the maybe easy is the wrong word, but some
of the you know, easier things to pinpoint that you
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can say, all right, if we turn these couple things around,
we can make the second half of the year a
lot better than the first half.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
I know, from a receiver standpoint, we want some more explosives,
just having shorter drives. Let's have a couple three four
play drives rather than some ten play drives.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
So you guys lead the league at average driving, that's yeah, so.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
We want to As for us, we want to hit
a couple more big plays just to give our old
line some more breadth and more breathing room and then
even allow our defense. I feel like even with explosives,
our defense kind of gets excited with those and it
kind of allows them to go out there and play
better as well.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
What can the wide receiver unit as a group, and
I know you guys are on the drugs machines all
the time to try to clean up some of those
passes that I'm sure you think you should have came
up with, but especially in critical spots. As a group.
Maybe you guys have to come up with some of
the balls you think you should have.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Yeah, I mean that's just catching the ball, looking it
all the way in, not trying to do too much.
Feel like we're also we feel like we're also dynamic
with the ball in our hands. We try to do
a lot after sometimes before we make sure we securely
catch got to catch it first, right, Yeah, I know, especially,
I know that's one thing for me. I definitely was
trying to harp on myself with was licking it all
the way in and working on my catch mechanics and
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things like that with my training back at home, but
just definitely doing a lot of different things just to make.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Sure that we're right there on top of everything.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So for you, why do you think your season's gone
so far? I know you're very excited about this year.
We talked in the offseason, you know, first year where
you're not rehabbing, you're not a rookie. It's like a
real off season. You can actually get ready for the
season the right way. How do you think the season's
gone for you?
Speaker 5 (11:04):
I feel like season's gone all right. Obviously, feel like
there were some things out there that I wish I
had back, but I really feel like for this final half,
the final half of the year, you can really go
out there and showcase what I really can do. And
looking forward to getting on the field a little bit
more and just continue to get open.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Do you feel yourself still improving as an athlete as
you get off of further away from the injury, are
you still you think accelerating?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
Yeah, no question.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
I mean there's still some movements out there that I
may not be comfortable doing because I hadn't done it before,
and some things I might see on tape, and it's
just kind of like, okay, week by week, it's each
each week is getting better whatever I can or can't do.
So definitely filling speed and exposedly this all the way
back and just making sure that I'm always there.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
They'reing good with my routes.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
So one question we get from fans a lot, I
like to get your answer to it. They say, I
don't understand why do the Giants on like a third
and seventh or five yard pass in front of the sticks.
But I try to explain, Look, those players are designed
to create separation to get yack after the playing, So
explain from an x's and o's inside the room receiver
football standpoint. Why fans should not be driven nuts by
seeing that five yard catch on third and seven.
Speaker 5 (12:10):
Well, obviously, there's sometimes there might be a route that's
behind George where you can't get enough debt, where your
depth is kind of limited to a certain point, like
for that Carolina game, I was kind of limited to
how deep I could get when the dB.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Broke the ball up.
Speaker 5 (12:24):
But and then some of the options routes as well,
you know, you're kind of working your man and then
whenever you break open your that's kind of what those
routes are. Kind of catch and run and good ball
placement and allow you to do things after the catch
with it. So usually if whenever you catch a five
out option, you should definitely be able to get some
more after as long as you have some good ball placement.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
All right, Mollie Davers, how is he handled kind of
all the ups and downs of this year just for
the team. I'm sure he's never probably lost this many
games in the season in his life. That's tough, you know,
he said, between the percussions some of the drops for
him too. How is he handled all of this as
a rookie in the NFL, which I'm sure can't be easy.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Yeah, I mean, especially for him. I mean, he's handled
like a pro. I can't imagine you're thrown into the fire,
number six pick and you get drafted to the New
York media and obviously some of the things that have
happened that we're unfortunate, and he's made too many plays
for him to keep his head down and do well
on those. But he's handled like a pro. He's coming
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in each and every week trying to get better. Whatever
he can do to help us out, help any of
his other teammates out, he's going to do so.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Do you still see his ceiling and what he does
in practice and it's sky high?
Speaker 4 (13:33):
Oh yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
There's definitely usually a player to today it's just kind
of like, damn, what the heck do this? And so no,
he's he's definitely special and he's a really good dude
as well, even whenever it comes off the football.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Do you think Hyatt's ability to get more involved in
Munich might be a little bit of a preview of
things to come for the rest of the.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Year, Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
I mean, obviously, just continue to work in practice and
show showcase what you can do there, and whenevery opportunity
is come in the game, you got to make the
most of them. So I feel like what he did
against the Panthers was really good and felt like the
coaches really liked what he did.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
So hopefully seeing him more out there.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
All right, go want to talk to you real quickly
about the box. Does a game like this gets you
excited for a team that blitzes so much in plays
Man's that you have a chance to get some of
those one one opportunities?
Speaker 4 (14:15):
For sure?
Speaker 5 (14:15):
I definitely like teams the pressure and then whenever they
are impressing, it's just a lot of his own So
I feel like I can read zone coveragees pretty well
as well. So yeah, I'm definitely definitely excited.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
What are some of the keys for an offense to
do well against the team that brings pressures often as
they do well?
Speaker 5 (14:29):
One, you just got to communicate, especially for those guys
up fronting in the backs, and whenever we are throwing
the ball, communicating and sorting out the pressures and things
like that. And then for us, it's making sure that
we're on our landmarks and being where we're supposed to
be on time obviously because they got that's coming up.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
And then finally, what do you see from their secondary
and ol Jamill Dean might be back this week, one
of the better corners. What do you see from him?
And the kind of the rest of their defensive back
to Lantin Winfields obviously a tremendous player.
Speaker 5 (14:53):
Yeah, no, they're they're really good. Back In played against
Winfield my freshman year of college, so got a little
bit of history with him. But I mean, the corners
are an athletic group. Nicholas physical guy, so we're excited
to go against those guys.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
But definitely gotta come ready.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Good stuf, appreciate it this sir, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Huddle up, get in here.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
If you're lined up here, you gotta go over the
middle with at the score great?
Speaker 5 (15:15):
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Speaker 2 (15:41):
Fun to talk to him today.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
All right, let's head over to Scott Reynolds and the
Pewter Report. He is our scouting report on the Buccaneers,
and now we're joined by Scott Reynolds. He does a
great job covering the tenth day Buccaneers for the Pewter Report.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Scott's joined us before. Scott.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Your season's going a little bit better than the Giants,
though you're dealing with the losing streak of your How
you doing today, man?
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Doing good? Just waiting for one of these teams to
win a game five losing or five game losing streak
for the Giants, four game losing streak for the Bucks.
I think something's got to give. We don't want to
see this game in in a tie.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Absolutely, And you know, I'll get to the specifics and
the injuries in a second. But both these teams have
had a similar issue where they've played a ton of
closed games here but they just haven't been able to
close them out at the end.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, yeah, you're right, and it really it's it's Todd
Bowles defense. That's been the culprit. You go back to
the overtime losses at Atlanta and at Kansas City, and
then most recently right before the bye week losing twenty
three to twenty to the forty nine ers. Ti Bowles
defense was on the field on all three of those
games and allowed the game winning score, whether it's field
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goal or touchdowns, and that's really been frustrating because he's
a defensive mind to head coach, helped this team win
his Super Bowl in twenty twenty, and it just has
not found the right buttons to push this year. Tampa
Bays pass defense is terrible. They're scoring defense is bad.
They have not even stopped the run exceptionally well, so
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they're searching for answers and the pass rush has not
really gotten home. This team has not picked off a
pass since Week six when they when they had an
interception or two against Spencer Rattler in New Orleans. So
they're gonna have to really rebound. And this should be
a get well game for Todd Bowles defense given the
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fact that the Giants struggle to score points. But Todd
Bowles has also made unheralded quarterbacks look formidable and that
might be the case with Tommy Debato.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
All right, so let me follow up before we get
to the injuries. Then, why do you think the defense
is having so many issues? I know the Bucks have
lost some guys personal wise, we could talk about the
cornerback position. Obviously, Jamal Dean might be back this week,
but you still have Vitavey upfront.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
I know you don't have the edge rushers it used
to have.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
But Todd Bowles's system is fairly proven, right, It's been
good in this league for a good amount of time.
So why do you think the defense has struggled as
much as it has?
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Well, I don't know that he's adapted too much. He
runs some quarters, he'll play that that cover three fire
zone defense, and it's you know, these aren't These aren't
new defensive schemes the area. These are defensive schemes that
have been around, and you have to evolve in the NFL.
It's adapter die and we've seen offenses evolve, and we've
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seen some defenses of all. But I don't know that
there's been an evolution here. I think Todd has stuck
to what he's done so much that it's it's kind
of detrimental now. Plus on top of that, you pay
a playmaker like Antoine Winfield Junior, who might have had
the best defensive season of any defender in the league
last year. We're talking over one hundred and twenty tackles,
three interceptions, six sacks, six forced fumbles, four fumble recoveries,
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a herculean type year. And he does have a scooping
score this year, but has not been involved in any
other turnovers. And he's missed four games due to injury.
You mentioned injuries that that's been part of the reason
why this defense has been so disjointed. Jimmel Dean's missed
four games earlier in the season, Winfield missed four games.
They lost for Vassi A. Dennis, their best coverage linebacker
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in Week four to a season ending shoulder injury. He
was really the best linebacker on the team. And they
just have not had that pass rush. So it's really
been a struggle for Todd Bowles to press the right
buttons to get this defense going. But you know, his
playmakers have not made plays this year, the guys that
he's counted on to, and they're still searching for answers
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coming out of the bye week.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
It's funny you mentioned the Bucks no picks since Week six.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
You said the Giants haven't had one since Week one
against Sam Darnold, and that was a deflection that got
picked off by a rookie linebacker, Darius Mussau. So there's
second there doesn't have an interception since week one, which
is you know, eventually a quarterback should probably just airmail
one and it should go right to your safety, right,
especially when you're second in the league in sacks, But
for some reason that hasn't really happened yet this year
for the Giants. Jameel Dean, how much can he maybe
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impact what the Bucks are going to do with their
pressure rates and their boots packages. They obviously need guys
to cover one on one and oh, Dean does have
the traits of a guy that you know, you could
probably put out there on elite neighbors and feel like
he's going to be able to hold his own a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah. And at the same time, though he's coming back
when the team might be with that Zion McCollum, who
might be a game time decision. So Todd Bowles would
love to have both of the starting corners out there
because the times that that has not happened. And when
he said one starter Zion McCollum, he can shut down guys,
but not having that other guy presents some target opportunities,
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you know, and Mylik Neighbors has proven to be a
dangerous guy. I don't think we've seen the best of
him yet because he does have that four to three
five speed and has not really stretched the field as
often as as the Giants would have liked, you know,
a ten yard receiving average, longest play thirty nine yards.
But maybe this is the game where he has put
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up against the opposite cornerback from Jamel d and whether
it's Josh Hayes or the newcomer Troy Hill, and really
has some opportunities down the field if Tommy Debido can
push the ball down the field. So, you know, it
concerns me because again Todd Bowles, there have been some
games where if you look at bo Nixon's coming out party,
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it was against Todd Bowles defense, you know, back in
Week three where Nicks had thrown four interceptions and no
touchdowns and had a complete role reversal and played like
he's playing now. And that started in Tampa Bay. So
Tommy Debido can hurt you scrambling and also extending plays
with his mobility, and they're going to have to plaster
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these giants receivers, whether it's Slayton, whether it's you know,
Windale Robinson or Elik Neighbors.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, and you mentioned the big play stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
Neighbors has not had a twenty yard reception since he
returned from that concussion four weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
So the big plays.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
He's got a lot of targets, a lot of catches,
but the big plays have not been there in the
last month or so football for him. Final one of
the defense, how about the run defense. You know, Vidavan,
we know what a great player he's been. Is he
still playing at that level on a down in, down
out basis or is that one of the issues they're
having with the run defense.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah, you know, the defensive tackles have played exceptionally well.
I think Vita had a fantastic game at Kansas City.
Ten tackles, two sacks on Patrick Mahomes. Elijah Cansey, the
other defensive tackle last year's first round pick. He had
a pair of sacks against Mahomes as well in Kansas City.
He's come on He's got four sacks in the last
five games since he's returned from a calf injury that
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cost them the first part of the season. So the
defensive tackle position is not a problem. Even Logan Hall,
they're kind of disappointing former top pick. He's got three
sacks on the season. So it's not the interior of
the defensive line. It's on the edges where they really
have struggled. And so maybe Tyrone Tracy today find some
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success off tackle or getting to the outside. Tampa Bay's
linebackers not very fast. kJ Britz, pretty slow, Levonte David
slowing down at age thirty four. We've really seen that
that kind of fall off this year in his play
still get it done, but not that play maker that
he used to be. So Tyron Tracy I could see
with that five point one yard average having a pretty
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decent day against Tampa Bay, and I think they'll lean
on the running game trying to get that going to
help Tommy DeVito and not put all the pressure on
him to make plays. And then the other thing too
is Tampa Bay's not tackled well, so that's going to
lend itself when you've got a back that that has
some size of five two and ten pounds to break
some tackles. Shoot, they allowed Kirk Cousins, who's a statue
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to run thirteen yards for a first down back in
Tampa in week was that Week nine or week ten?
And so you know they just they need to tackle
better and that that's not just Tyrone and Tracy, that's
also the yards past the line of scrimmage that DeVito
can get with his legs and scrambles.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, with all the talk about Saquon Barkley Departy, the
Giants run game in tyroonn Tracy has probably be the
best part of their offense that really has not been
the problem ironically.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
All right, let's go to the.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Bucks offense and Scott I think they've done an admirable
job keeping up moving the ball without Chris Godwin. Mike
Evans has been out, Tristan Wurfs has missed time, and
now you're starting to get some of those guys back.
So give me a status of for kind of where
we are overall with this Bucks offense and who we
might see on the field on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Well, it looks like Mike Evans will play in this game.
That's good news because they've certainly missed having a credible
wide receiver out there. It's really been Kadot in a
tight end who's had to step up for Baker Mayfield.
And really a lot of credit goes to rookie offensive
play caller offensive coordinator Liam Cohen. He has done a
masterful job. When this team was at full strength through
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the Baltimore Ravens game, they were averaging thirty points per
game and that was like up there in the top
three or four teams in the league. And since losing
both Mike Evans and Chris Godwin and Godwin's out for
the year at the dislocated ankle in that Ravens game,
the Buccaneers still put up twenty four points on offense
against the Falcons and then twenty four points on the
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Kansas City Chiefs in Arrowhead, And that's a much better
defense with Chris Jones and everybody up front. And then
they put up twenty points against again another stout defense
with the forty nine ers missed an opportunity or two
in the red zone for even more points. But the
fact that Liam Cohen has the creativity, the adaptability the
high football IQ to lean on the running game and
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really involve Bucky Irving and Rashad White in the screen
game and in the passing game. It's allowed Baker Mayfield
to still move the ball, put up points, and keep
this team in games. The problem has not been on
the offensive side, even without Evans and Godwin. It's been
on the defensive side. So now you have Mike Evans back.
The concern in Tampa, though, is does Baker Mayfield try
(25:45):
to force the ball to him a little too much
just because he's back and he's been missed. I think
they that he has to let Evans's plays come to him.
But at the same time, this will free up some
things offensively for some other players. I think now you're
going to see coverages roll towards Evan's side, and that
should give more opportunities for single coverage against some of
(26:06):
these other targets that Tampa Bay has.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
And have teams play two safeties back against the run game. Yeah,
I think you guys have really developed a really impressive
two headed mon So, you know, Rashad White is your
past receiver also kind of your you know, downhill power back.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah, while Bucky Irvin has you.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Know, it's funny I love this college tape, but I
kept saying to myself, he's like really small and not fast,
So how is he going to say? See in the
NFL and long and behold the tape held up. He's
been doing a good job.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
He's been that guy. You know. He doesn't have like
the breakaway speed that Work Done had coming out of
Florida State back in ninety seven when he was like
rookie of the year and burst on the scene. You
had Mike al Stott and Work down the WD forty backfield.
But he runs like wark Done and the fact that
he's small, he's five nine, one hundred and ninety two
(26:52):
pounds a little bit heavier than Done was not as fast,
doesn't have the breakaway speed, but he's ripped off some
thirty yard runs because he's very elusive. His great vision,
has a very kind of instinctive running style that makes
the first guy miss gets to the second level with
the regularity, just is missing that extra gear to go
from the second level to the third level and take
(27:15):
a seventeen yard run and turn it into a seventy
yard run. He's not that guy, but he's very effective.
And the NFL, by and large is not a seventy
yard touchdown run league. That's in college. But if you
can rip off you know these five, six, seven, eight, ten, twelve,
fifteen yard runs like it works. And I think you
(27:36):
look at the at the top two rookie rushers in
the NFL. It's Tyrone Tracy right who has the title
right now, and a few yards behind him is Bucky Irping.
Both those guys are averaging five point one yards per carry,
and I think really at the end of this game,
the running back who has the most yards is probably
going to be on the winning team because both of
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these teams are going to come in looking to run
to win this game. It's going to be a big
staple of the offense for both teams because the passing
game is not as robust without Chris Godwin as it
is in Tampa and Tommy DeVito's you know, going to
be playing for the first time this year. Really, so
(28:17):
I think that this will come down to whoever has
the better game between Tyrone Tracy and Bucky Irving probably
will be on the winning team.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
Final question, I'll make it a two part before your
Scott Tristan Worf's were we with him in the Bucks
offensive line. And then part two of that is Baker
still a little bit reckless. I think it's too strong
of a word, but will He's still with his confident
way of playing. Put the ball into some areas and
give the defense a chance to make some plays on
the ball.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
You know, he did that a little bit against the
Falcons without having Mike and Chris in the game. But
the last two games against the Chiefs and the forty
nine Ers, he's done a really good job of avoiding interceptions. Again,
the concern there is with Mike Evans back, is he
going to get a little too greedy and try to
force things in there make up for lost time with Mike.
(29:03):
That's something he has to safeguard himself against there. And
I think that he knows that the margin for error
for the Buccaneers is not great at all, Like this
will come down to whoever wins the turnover battle probably
wins the game. Matter of fact, the Buccaneers have actually
been plus one in the turnover margin over the last
two games against the Chiefs and the forty nine Ers
(29:23):
and still lost close games. So if Baker throws an
interception or two, they're not going to win this game,
and I think he realizes that. To Tristan Wurf's point,
the injury that he's sustained against the forty nine ers
was not as bad as it initially seemed. It's a
PCL sprain or I believe in it's an MCL sprain.
(29:44):
So he actually was practicing this week. I don't think
the team plays him. They're going to make sure when
he comes back, he's going to come back for good.
Justin School is the swing tackle and he got some
playing time against the forty nine ers last week. Gave
up a sack to Nick Bosa. Know there's no shame
in that Boas is one of the best pass rushers
in the league. But School started four games at right
(30:05):
tackle this year in place of Luke Gettikey and got
better every single week that he played, after a rough
outing in Detroit when he gave up three sacks to
Aiden Hutchinson. But the fact that he's played, I think
gives this team some confidence. But it's really going to
be decided in the trenches. When you look at at
the rookie Graham Barton the center against Dexter Lawrence, that
(30:30):
that's a key matchup to watch. But also to the
tackles Luke Gettikey on the right side, justin school that
backup tackle on the left side. Can they keep Brian
Burns and Azizo Gelai off of Baker Mayfield and let
him find Mike Evans and have enough time to find
him field.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yeah, And it looks like Keavon tib will be back
as well this week. And they better not just have
graam Bar and tried to block Dexter Lawrence by himself
because that does not does generally go well for anybody
that plays center or gordon the league. And I'll leave
it with this guy as we say goodbye. You mentioned
the turnover stuff for the box. Here's a stat you
can use on your stuff over the weekend. Okay, so
the Giants have played ten games this week this year.
(31:07):
They have not won the turnover battle in any game.
They've been either even or minus in every single game
this year.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
I had the folks over at Statsink look this up
for me. They have stats going back to nineteen fifty.
It is the longest single season streak in the history
of the New York Football Giants.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Wow. That's that's something. And unfortunately that speaks to the record.
You know you have to protect the ball to win
the game more often than not. And if you're not
winning the turnover battle, you know you're probably not winning
the games.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
Yeah, Giants are two and two in the games where
they've been even and they are zero to six in
the games that they've been negative. So they'll try to
break that streak this weekend. Scott, good stuff, by friend.
Tell the folks who they can find all your fantastic work.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Yeah, you can check us out on Pewterreport dot com.
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Speaker 2 (31:54):
Scott, good stuff. Man, have enjoyed the game on Sunday.
We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Appreciate it. Thank you.
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Good stuff from Scott. We appreciate him joining us, getting
(32:31):
us all the insight we need on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Now,
let's turn to the head coach of the NYG, Brian Dable,
with the voice of the NYG, Bob Popo.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
As always were joined by the head coach of the
New York Giants, Brian Dabel. Giants coming off the bike
coach obviously made the switch at quarterback that news broke
earlier this week.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
How has the.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
Team reacted and how has Tommy DeVito reacted to the
workload this week as far as getting ready for the
specific game.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
Yeah, Tommy's doing everything he can do to prepare himself
to play against a tough defense, a pressure defense, and
everybody else is trying to do the same thing. They're
trying to improve everything they can improve players, coaches, and
to get ready to play, to play a good game.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Coach.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Obviously, last year he got six starts for you and
he played well. For you in the preseason this year.
What areas of growth have you seen in him from
going year one as an undrafted rookie free agent to
year two over the NFL.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
Well, he's been in the system for a year, and
I think experience helps. He's got to play, you know,
start six games last year and playing a couple other ones.
You know, time will tell in terms of him getting
out there and playing. And you know there's areas of
improvement that we've talked to him about and he's working
hard to improve.
Speaker 6 (33:44):
On him all right. One of the things that's been
great for you guys is Tyrone Tracy and you know,
a combination of he and Devin Singletary and the entire
run game. Talk about the challenges that you're gonna have
to deal with today going against this Tampa Bay front
led by v to B.
Speaker 7 (34:04):
Yeah, that's that's the start of it. He's a he's
a tough man to block. You know, we're gonna have
to do a good job of getting a hat for
a hat and you know there'll be some some tough
yards in there. But you know, being able to run
the football has been good for us. It helps us
with everything else. Staying on track, minimizing some some third
down situations where they'd really like to get after the quarterback.
(34:27):
So it'll be an important part. It'll be it'll be
a tough challenge. They have a lot of good players,
you know, David's been a you know, historically a good
player Winfield via a Gabby has has really come on
here in his second year, and it'll be it'll be
a challenge, but something that you know, we're gonna have
to do a good job with.
Speaker 6 (34:46):
Todd Bowles has always been about kind of bringing pressures
and they do it in a lot of different ways.
How important is it, you know, for communication? Obviously it's
a home game, so crowd noise shouldn't be a factor,
but being able to communicate because he's gonna give a
lot of different looks. As far as ways that he
likes to get to his pressure, Yeah, no question about it.
Speaker 7 (35:07):
Todd's been doing it for a long time. You know,
worked with him back in twenty eleven. He's been successful
at doing it. He gives you a variety of looks.
They're challenging. You know, it was a long bye week,
long week getting ready for him because of the looks
that they present and We're gonna have to do a
good job of communicating the center position, the quarterback position,
(35:27):
all the linemen tied in together. You know, it'll be
important to try to stay out of those situations as well,
you know, the second and longs, the third and lungs
where you know, there's a variety of them and it
requires a tremendous amount of detail communication to be able
to operate. You know, you see so many games that
they've played and there's a lot of free runners on
(35:49):
the quarterback in the past game or in the run game.
So we're all gonna have to be tied in. That'll
be a huge element to this game.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Go to the other side of the ball. Baker Mayfield
in year number two with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, he's
accounted for the third most touchdowns of any quarterback in
the NFL Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, and then Baker Mayfield's
accounted for twenty six twenty four passing two running. You know,
he's a gunslinger. We saw the play that he had
(36:18):
against San Francisco where he's you know, basically stiff arming
a defensive lineman and still getting the completion out of it.
What is it about Baker that creates such a burden
and pressure on a defense.
Speaker 7 (36:31):
Yeah, he's a very smart player. Had an opportunity to
meet Baker back in twenty eighteen when we looked at quarterbacks.
He's strong, he's accurate, he's a competitor. He's a fiery competitor,
I would say, a leader. He's not afraid to pull
the trigger. He plays with good timing. Players rally around him.
(36:55):
You can see the leadership that he has. And you know,
he's done a nice job job here at Tampa Bay,
and he's had his own journey, and you know when
we evaluate him and worked him out and got to
meet him, was a big fan of him then, and
you know he's had his own journey in the NFL
and he's really doing a nice job here with Tampa.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
Someone that you know and that I know well, Charlie
Weiss was a big fan of Baker, and he always
said he's like a pied piper. He's a natural leader
and teammates gravitate toward him. Do you see that when
you watch the film of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, that
he is sort of that central figure in kind of
rallying the team.
Speaker 7 (37:35):
Yeah, absolutely. You know saw that back in twenty eighteen.
You know, he's you know, he's got a good way
about himself in terms of how he plays and bringing
people along with him, giving guys opportunities to make plays,
and he trusts what he sees, he lets it rip,
and he plays with a very aggressive mindset, whether he's
(37:57):
throwing the ball or at times running with the football.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
Speaking of running, they have two backs that bring a
little different styles, but they can bring a level of
physicality that's pretty impressive. Talk about White and Irving and
the challenges that they put against the defense because they
both can catch the ball out of the backfield, they
make explosive plays. What are some of the things that
(38:25):
make them unique and that will be difficult for your
defense to deal with today.
Speaker 7 (38:29):
Yeah, I'd say they both have great contact, balance, vision,
open field running, all the things that good running backs have,
and they do it at a high level. They got
good speed, short space quickness, make a yards when they
get the ball in their hand. That's the most important
thing for a running back, and both of them do
that well.
Speaker 6 (38:48):
Coach, obviously, they lost Godwin who's a good vertical threat,
and Mike Evans is coming off a hamstring injury. When
you look at Evans, I mean he's got the streak
of a thousand yard receiving years in a row, and
he's really good with contested balls. When you're dealing with
(39:10):
a guy like a Mike Evans is something that have
to be reminded of your players, is like, at any moment,
the ball's coming and the play's never over with him.
Speaker 7 (39:19):
Yeah, you know, one of the better receivers to ever
do it. Impressive career. He's very instinctive player. He's got
unbelievable hands, catch radius. They'll move him in spots and
you know, the closer you get to the goal line,
the more he even shows up. And you know, even
when he's covered at times he's not covered because of
his ball skills and his ability to adjust and make
(39:41):
plays on contested catches. Fantastic player.
Speaker 6 (39:45):
And just finally, Sterling Shepherd, obviously a long time Giant,
is with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He's had some success
here this year. You had a chance to coach him
for two years. He was a fantastic player for this franchise.
What was it like coaching coaching a guy I like Shephard?
Speaker 7 (40:01):
Yeah, A lot of energy. Competitive, competitive person, you know,
very smart, instinctive receiver, knows how to set up guys
and routes and he's been doing it for a long
time too, and he's doing a nice job down there
as well.
Speaker 6 (40:15):
Coach, we appreciate a couple of minutes. Thanks for the time,
and we'll turn it around on a short week on
Thursday in Dallas.
Speaker 7 (40:20):
Thanks Bob.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
That's the head coach of the New York Giants, Brian Dable.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
We thank Bob. We thank Coach Dable.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Thanks Scott Reynolds and Wandol Robinson and joining us on
this Frodday edition of the Giants lital Podcast presented by Citizens,
the official.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
Bank of the Giants. Thanks for being with us. Everybody
enjoyed the game this weekend.
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