November 19, 2025 • 21 mins
Kainani Stevens, John Oehser and Brian Sexton are live on Wednesday to take a last look at the dominant 35-6 victory over the Los Angeles Chargers and discuss how the Jaguars' offense continues to evolve. Later, the crew previews the Week 12 matchup against the Arizona Cardinals. This and more on Jags A.M.
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Speaker 1 (00:16):
Welcome to jagsam kind. Annie Steven's here with Brian Sexton
and John Oser. We're getting prepared for week twelves. The
Jaguars are gonna head out west later this week to
take on the Cardinals in Arizona. But let's go over
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Big thing number one is slowly but surely.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
We thought we were getting some of those injured guys
back last week, but it looks like it may be
a little slower process than we originally thought. Brent Strange
one of those guys working his way back, Brian, and
we're kind of waiting and is nice to see a
dominant win without some of your star players.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
They work their way.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Back, you guys.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
It's kind of like when the stock market falls and
you start buying at a low rate. Eventually it goes
back up and all of a sudden you've got more
shares at.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
A higher rate.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
It's kind of way because you're gonna get bretton Strange
back at some point, hopefully this week. You're gonna get
Greg Newsom back. You're gonna get Jordan Lewis back and
Anton Harrison back, So you know, grabbing wins when your
team is far less than full strength and then becoming
full strength. Hopefully there's a correlation there. Hopefully it translates
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into you being rich.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Yeah, and they've almost accomplished it, you know. And I
get that in the ups and downs of the season.
There's panic after a loss and you know, oh, they're terrible,
but this is what you have to do. You have
to get through your injured stretch, maintaining and staying in it.
I feel like the biggest injury is still sitting out
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there is strange. Jordan Lewis and Murray are up there.
They get him back this week, get the running game going,
grind out another one against Arizona. Then you feel like
you've gotten through it and you can start doing what
Brian talked about, which is getting rich in the stock market.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Like getting rich, that always sounds good. Big numbers two
is seeing what work. Obviously, with a bunch of those injuries,
the offenses looks both sides of football, but the offense
has looked a lot different than we expected it to
look beginning at to start the year. So Trevor Lawrence
has had kind of had to adapt different weapons of
course available for him. John, but seeing just Jacoby Myers
has only been here about two weeks. The chemistry that
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is there, and we saw a great game out of
Parker Washington last week. So how have you seen the
offensivevolve a little bit and kind of seeing what works
for them right now?
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Well, it's impressive and it's exactly what they've been doing.
If you think back even to when they got here,
they didn't know Travis etn was gonna be this kind
of a back.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Then you draft two and then okay, now we've got this.
The injuries happened and uh BTJ and Diami Brown and
Travis Hunter who were supposed to be your guys, uh
aren't really factors in the offense right now.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
But I in the last three weeks.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Twenty nine points, thirty five points the other day, uh
twenty nine or thirty against the the Raiders.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Raiders, all of.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
A sudden, this offense is doing what you thought it
was gonna do, and it's been there's the best three
weeks of offense this season.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
So when you put together a new regime.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
You have to figure it out as you go and
you can tell they're finding the pieces, Brian that are
starting to work, and you're starting to wonder, in the
last five weeks, can they have some jet fuel in
this and really get go.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Listen at some point in the season and John, we've
done this long enough, You've seen it many many times.
You do what you can do, not necessarily what you'd
like to do, what the big plan was to do.
You do what you can do. Last week they had
Quinton Morris on the field, a guy who was called
up from the practice squad, who got here during training camp.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
And if you go and.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Watch this view, this end zone view here of Travis
Etn's first touchdown. Watch the crushing block he puts on
Bud Dupree, who knew he could do that, and he
did it several times. In fact, I think in four
instances he had blocks that read up ten yard runs
or more.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
He was tremendous.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Listen, you do what you can do, Jacoby Myers. They
found out what routes he likes. Eventually they will be
able to do what they want to do. But until
you get your guys back, do what you can do,
and ki guys like Quinton Morris and Jacoby Myers, how
about Austin Trammell would.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
A big catch the other day?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Do what you can do, and this coaching staff deserves
real credit for figuring out out a way to do
what they could do against a very good Chargers team.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
And to that point, I think about this, in the
last three games, they'd had stretches where they scored on
six straight drives and four out of five drives the
other day.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
It's starting to look like they wanted to.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Look no punting, so that's always a good sign as well.
So our final big thing today is going to be
leading the way. We've talked a lot about leadership. The
defense did not play well against the Texans, but they
came back with an outstanding performance against the Chargers. And
credit to Josh heinz Allen, who you know, the past,
Verus has taken a lot of slack and right so
because they haven't been living up to Sanderds.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
They got after Justin Herbert this.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Week, and of course Josh Heinzellen now has that sack
record for the franchise. What's most important about this, I
think Brian you would agree, is this leadership factor and
kind of using this moving forward Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
You know, leadership can be something that people put too
much weight on. Eventually, you have to be a great player,
right If you're a great player, you are by default
a leader in the locker room. Josh happens to have
qualities of both the great player and a guy who's
got the natural inclination to lead. Here's what I like
the effort he put in last week, the will not
quit falling to the ground, gonna get the sack that
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is contagious. And he talks all the time John about
the guys who are on the field with him right now,
the guys that Christian Braswell will go back and look
at the Iron Jaguar series that they did with the
coaching staff and the personal or the performance staff back
in the spring.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Josh will point out that a lot of the guys
who are contributing right now were.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Guys that exceled back then, and Josh believes in them.
This team believes in him, He believes in those guys.
I just think that there's a fuel on that defensive
side to go out and do it again this week
because of Josh heinz Allen.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Yeah, sometimes in a long season need to reset. It
felt like the defensive front, especially after the Houston Texans game,
really said you know what, whatever was going on before,
let's get started now. And it was an impressive effort
against the Chargers. They need that sort maybe not to
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that level, but they need disruption from that group going forward.
This is a big week because the whole theme to
me this week is, look, it was great to do
it once, you gotta do it again, and especially the
defensive front has to do it again.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
You gotta build on what happened on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Stay with's here on jag Zam.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
We're gonna do a little this or that as we
look ahead to this week's patch up against the Cardinals.
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Speaker 3 (07:05):
This O.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
This welcome back to jagsza I. We're gonna play a
little this or that.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
We're looking ahead but kind of also just assessing where
the team is at right now.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
It's week twelve. They're very much in the playoff picture
at this point.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Got a big AFC win over the Chargers that could
kind of be used maybe potentially with tigh breakers.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
They have one over the Chiefs as well.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
So when we kind of look ahead, let's Brian, we
were talking about this this morning.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
This game against the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Maybe is a game that they don't win in the
previous years, right, especially like the importance that we're playing.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Dragon Wars never won those games?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Right?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
So are we officially the new Jags at this point?
Are we still saying old Jags?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
You know what I say?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
And will this Cardinals game proved one or both one
or either of the other?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Correct?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
And I'm sure you both have had this conversation, But
it's those Jags and these Jags, right, have it in
the aisle at Public's, you know, walking on the beach,
wherever you're at.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
People want to know if this team is these.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Jags, the team that played on Sunday or those Jags
previous Jaguars teams that A wouldn't show up for a
game like this and then B wouldn't follow up John
with a game like this. And the best example I
can give you is the end of twenty twenty three, right,
I mean, you have a game you should win, you
have the playoffs on the line, and you go to Tennessee.
They are a one trick pony. It was Mike Grabel's
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final game and all they do was run the ball.
And all you knew you had to stop was Derrick
Henry and those Jags didn't do it.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
They didn't do it. So is it these Jags? Do?
Speaker 4 (08:36):
We believe that this team is Liam Cohen's team and
they play his way and they're going to avoid the
mistakes of those Jags, these versus those john What do
you see?
Speaker 5 (08:46):
I don't think there's any questions these Jags. I thought
that all year, and I would have thought that even
for the San Diego I mean the Yes Sargers.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Can still say San Diego too, just because of this.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
They're still beat up right now and it's still the NFL,
so you don't know what's gonna happen on Sunday. But
their response, this team has fought and punched all year.
They're six and four. It's an up and down week
and week league. But you're six and four and you've
beaten the Chiefs, You've beaten the forty nine ers, you
beat the Panthers, you've beaten the Texans, and you've eat
in the charters.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
All of those teams are.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
About five hundred.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
They have a strong strength of whatever. All those things,
they're good. I think they'll play well on Sunday. If
they don't get it, I think it's because they're still
coming back.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
There's still some flaws.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
The secondary is still hurt, there's still some things that
they have not been able to get right since they.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Started all this.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
But to me, they're a new franchise.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
They're good.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
No matter what happens Sunday, I think they'll win. I
think they're gonna go on a little run. I think
they're gonna get in and they're gonna start proving it.
But no matter what happens, this is a different feeling
than last year.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I agree. I believe in these Jaguars. I still need
to see them put.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
The ghost of those Jaguars to the past and go
beat Chacob right. I know he set an NFL record
with forty seven completions. The Jaguars have seen him four times,
they're one in three against him. He has two touchdowns
and three interception.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Is a career.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Go beat Jacoby Brissett and the Cardinals, and then I
think we can officially put those Jaguars too bad.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
I think the good news on this front is we
talked about during big things. They're finding what they are.
They knew what they were after Carolina in the first week,
and then you get beat up and Travis Hunter's out
and BTJ as his issues and you're still trying to
figure it out. Last week, I think sort of reset
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on both sides. We've got to be a defensive line
and offensive line oriented team, and it feels like they
refound themselves and maybe it's a refresh if you will.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, I think I don't know what the outcome will
be this week, and I know the energy and I
know what we're going to see put out onto the field.
After what we saw against the Chargers, I feel like
that was kind of a canon moment for me to
see what the response was going to be. I have
no doubt they'll be prepared, but as mentioned, they do
have a lot of injuries, so I'm not entirely sure
what it looked like, but I think they'll be ready.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Just one quick follow up on that is last week
I said it was it was on Liam Cohen. This
was his week to make this his team. This week,
I think it's on the players, right. I think the
energy that you speak of is on them and they've
got to bring it to push through and there's enough
guys who've been here for those Jags to understand how
to make the transition.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
One other thing that we saw, we saw a great
ground game from them. Both Facial Tutent and Travis Etn
had great days on the ground. And what was cool
about it was the offensive line was banged up, but
they didn't get Brent's strange back like they thought, you're
starting right tackle. Anton Harrison wasn't able to play. It
was Cole Van Lannon and he's been playing very well,
kind of plug and play a couple different spots in
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the line when asked to be out there, John, when
you look at the offensive line and what we've seen
from Cole Van land and do you think when everyone's
back that will see it completely back to the starting
fire or do you think they're going to have to
try to work him in somewhere.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
It's it's it's a legitimate question. Do you move somebody
over to left tackle Walker Little has struggled? Do you say, Okay,
we're gonna go back to our starting five because that's
what we have the most chemistry with. I think the
good news is Van Lannon's ready. If you see weakness anywhere, he's.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Clearly ready to go in quickly.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
I think on the offensive line, this offensive line, even
in the weeks where people thought they played bad, did
not really play horribly. There's been situations against the Rams,
they struggle the couple, but it's a good offensive line
that you feel like in these last seven games unless
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they're playing one of the dominant defensive lines. I'm talking Seattle,
Houston's domin They're gonna see Denver, They're gonna see Denver.
But for the most part, this group has been able
to play winning offensive line, which I think bodes well
over the last seven games. If they stay out of
bad down in distance, this team can score points and
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be in their last seven games.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
If the identity is the running game, and I think
we believe that it is well that I think you
stay put Walker Little this week played really well. He
is a very good run blocking tackle. If they find
themselves in a position where they're having to throw a
whole lot and we see struggles like we saw from
Walker in Houston. He didn't play very well against Seattle
or the Rams, colvi ain Land and showed you he
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can do it. I think he's a better pass protecting
tackle than Walker Little is. But if the identity is
run the ball, Walker Little is pretty darn good at that.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, that's definitely a group where I've got my eye out.
Just been very impressed with cold a Land and so
I wouldn't be surprised either way that they go with
that when they are back to full strength.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
So stay with us here on Jagszam.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Coming up at for the break, we'll talk a little
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Speaker 2 (14:02):
Inventory and Go Jets. Welcome back into gags Am.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
We're gonna talk a little bit about the division to
keep chabs on everybody. The Titans and Texans faced off
last week. Texans able to get a last second win
over the Titans, and they did it with quarterback Davis Mills,
and it looks like we might see him again this week, Brian,
because it's a short week and they're facing off on Thursday.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Night against the Bills. Right, and the word is CJ.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Stroud is practicing in Houston as much as they practice
during the week that you play on Thursday.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Night, but he's not expected to play.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
So that means that the Jaguars fans out there who
are watching feel pretty good about the Bills and what
they did last week and the way their quarterback's playing
against Davis Mills.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Yeah, you're at the point of the season where I
get it's fun to talk about all this Bills Texans. Yeah,
you'd like the Bills to win it to knock the
Texans back, But the Bills are also looking like a
wildcard team. Yes, so I don't know that either of
those teams losing is bad for the Jags. So I
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think the Bills win that because I think on Thursday
night a lot of times, game planning gets out of
the window, and the best player in the league is Josh.
Heines is Josh Allen, so usually when it's a schoolyard fight,
he wins the schoolyard fight.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Here's the story.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Though we have been talking about meaningful games around Thanksgiving
to the end of the year around here for a
long time, we haven't been able to talk about him this.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
If they win, if they lose kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Is exactly what you want in your fan base as
you get towards Christmas. It creates interest in every game
every week.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
You always like to have a stake in each of
the games, so that's always exciting. And now the Colts
had a bye week last week. Obviously they're off to
an amazing start, but they're going to face off against
the Chiefs this week and their remaining strength of schedule
is the most difficult Number one in the NFL. So
they're getting into a tough stretch at a time when
the Jaguars are hopefully getting into a little bit easier stretch.
So what are we going to see from the Colts
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now they've got some tougher opponents.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
The Kansas City's my hometown.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
I talk to a lot of people out there, and
the Kansas City Chiefs fans have become accustomed to playing
in the AFC Championship Game.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
The thought that.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
They wouldn't be Division champs, as they have been nine
consecutive years in a row is absolutely unacceptable to them.
Funny because when I grew up there, the Chiefs were terrible.
The reality of it is is that you have a
very desperate team that if they lose another AFC game,
fall further behind, their chances of just making the playoffs become.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
So much smaller.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I expect a desperate, dangerous Kansas City team that John
hasn't been desperate or dangerous in Patrick Mahomes' time. With
Andy Reid pulling the trigger, I expect this to be
heack of the ball game.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Yeah, and it can sort of go like both ways
in the Chiefs right now. Sometimes these teams that have
been great for a long time have these seasons where
you keep expecting the old team to show up and
then you get to the end of the season.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Realize that the old team wasn't there.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
So I don't necessarily think as long as you have
Patrick Mahomes at quarterback that's the case. I think they
will win this game.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
This week, it's harder to beat the Chiefs. This team
did it, So this is that theory doesn't hold that
much water. But a division team like the Broncos knows
how to play the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
If you don't know how to play them, you know
how to uh how to play Mahomes.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
It can be different.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
So I think the Chiefs have some more punches left
in them. Do they have enough punches to get to
the end of the season. Uh, their record makes t
could make that tough.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
You know, you covered the Patriots and you grew up
in New England, so you can appreciate this. I can
remember we went up there in twenty seventeen to practice
before preseason game and to see all these kids who
were you know, between what eight and twenty that never
knew anything but winning, And I can remember thinking, boy,
are these kids in for a shock when when twelve
decides to hang it up and it's the exact same
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thing in Kansas City, where they've won three of the last.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Six Super Bowls. It it's difficult for you to accept reality.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
It's expectations for sure.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
And we will see what that actually looks like, whether
the Chiefs can pull another rabbit out of the hat
and kind of turned clock back a little bit.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
By the way, because of your history with the Patriots,
what did you think of those uniforms they wore last week?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I didn't hate them.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
They weren't my favorite, but I don't like them in general,
because I think every division is going to get some
muted version of that. Because what the Bills had the
ice breaker ones.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah, I forget what they call it.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It's it just looked a little, I don't know, it's
a little.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
The State Trooper blue is very similar, So it was
it was just an interesting color combination. But I'm sure
we'll have our version next year and then I'll have
to vote in on that. But I'm all about the throwbacks,
So I'm just I'm gonna say as many as as
many Jaguars throwbacks, I'm very, very strong. The bright red
pat the Patriots are my other favorite.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Yeah, those are the ones that they already used. But
I'm an old man.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Get off my lawn, stay.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
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Speaker 1 (18:49):
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because we've been away.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
We'll be away again.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
For two weeks and then back to face off against
the Colts and the Jets, and then.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Tightens at the end of the year.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Tightens at the end of the year. So it's getting
down to that time, which is crazy to think about.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Yeah, it's schedule shapes up to where you can start
having some exciting stuff at home if you take care
of business.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, who are you talking to this week or what are.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
You looking forward to?
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Talking offensive line? Sean Sareht, the offensive line coach. We'll
ask him about about how.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Walker's playing and how Cole Van Landon factors into that,
and whyatt Mylem got some time on the field against
the Chargers. And you know, I've been told that once
he gets into the lineup, it's gonna be tough to
take him out because they think so highly of him
and he's proven to them that he has got the
skills to be a long term starter in Jacksonville. So
there's some reason for optimism. And as Sean mentioned, they
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haven't played that bad. I mean, they gave him some
sacks and some of those were on the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Yeah, you get the idea with Mylon that if you're
playing guard, don't get hurt because he's probably not going
to give up his spot once he's in there, maybe
not in the short term, in long and he's gonna
be the guy. I'm talking to Antonio Johnson for the
Ozone podcast and I'm not sure I ever talked to
him in that capacity.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
A great story and it was well, no, no, I
was just gonna tell you I talked to him last
year and he grew up.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
A part of his childhood was living in a car,
and he's St. Louis, Illinois, which if you.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Don't realize, he's one of the toughest cities, one of
the toughest places to live and grow up. I think
he's a tremendous story and he's a pretty well spoken kid, very.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Well talent, and a great one with Jacobe Myers last week.
If you had the Ozone pod, I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Checking in with the franchise leader in sacks, Josh Hanzellen
for Off the Field, So anyone with questions send him
my way.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
If not, we'll be back here for Diazam tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
We'll do a deep dive as we get ready for
the Cardinals game on Sunday,
Welcome to jagsam kind. Annie Steven's here with Brian Sexton
and John Oser. We're getting prepared for week twelves. The
Jaguars are gonna head out west later this week to
take on the Cardinals in Arizona. But let's go over
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Big thing number one is slowly but surely.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
We thought we were getting some of those injured guys
back last week, but it looks like it may be
a little slower process than we originally thought. Brent Strange
one of those guys working his way back, Brian, and
we're kind of waiting and is nice to see a
dominant win without some of your star players.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
They work their way.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Back, you guys.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
It's kind of like when the stock market falls and
you start buying at a low rate. Eventually it goes
back up and all of a sudden you've got more
shares at.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
A higher rate.
Speaker 4 (00:59):
It's kind of way because you're gonna get bretton Strange
back at some point, hopefully this week. You're gonna get
Greg Newsom back. You're gonna get Jordan Lewis back and
Anton Harrison back, So you know, grabbing wins when your
team is far less than full strength and then becoming
full strength. Hopefully there's a correlation there. Hopefully it translates
(01:19):
into you being rich.
Speaker 5 (01:22):
Yeah, and they've almost accomplished it, you know. And I
get that in the ups and downs of the season.
There's panic after a loss and you know, oh, they're terrible,
but this is what you have to do. You have
to get through your injured stretch, maintaining and staying in it.
I feel like the biggest injury is still sitting out
(01:42):
there is strange. Jordan Lewis and Murray are up there.
They get him back this week, get the running game going,
grind out another one against Arizona. Then you feel like
you've gotten through it and you can start doing what
Brian talked about, which is getting rich in the stock market.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Like getting rich, that always sounds good. Big numbers two
is seeing what work. Obviously, with a bunch of those injuries,
the offenses looks both sides of football, but the offense
has looked a lot different than we expected it to
look beginning at to start the year. So Trevor Lawrence
has had kind of had to adapt different weapons of
course available for him. John, but seeing just Jacoby Myers
has only been here about two weeks. The chemistry that
(02:19):
is there, and we saw a great game out of
Parker Washington last week. So how have you seen the
offensivevolve a little bit and kind of seeing what works
for them right now?
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Well, it's impressive and it's exactly what they've been doing.
If you think back even to when they got here,
they didn't know Travis etn was gonna be this kind
of a back.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Then you draft two and then okay, now we've got this.
The injuries happened and uh BTJ and Diami Brown and
Travis Hunter who were supposed to be your guys, uh
aren't really factors in the offense right now.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
But I in the last three weeks.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Twenty nine points, thirty five points the other day, uh
twenty nine or thirty against the the Raiders.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Raiders, all of.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
A sudden, this offense is doing what you thought it
was gonna do, and it's been there's the best three
weeks of offense this season.
Speaker 6 (03:09):
So when you put together a new regime.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
You have to figure it out as you go and
you can tell they're finding the pieces, Brian that are
starting to work, and you're starting to wonder, in the
last five weeks, can they have some jet fuel in
this and really get go.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Listen at some point in the season and John, we've
done this long enough, You've seen it many many times.
You do what you can do, not necessarily what you'd
like to do, what the big plan was to do.
You do what you can do. Last week they had
Quinton Morris on the field, a guy who was called
up from the practice squad, who got here during training camp.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
And if you go and.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Watch this view, this end zone view here of Travis
Etn's first touchdown. Watch the crushing block he puts on
Bud Dupree, who knew he could do that, and he
did it several times. In fact, I think in four
instances he had blocks that read up ten yard runs
or more.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
He was tremendous.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Listen, you do what you can do, Jacoby Myers. They
found out what routes he likes. Eventually they will be
able to do what they want to do. But until
you get your guys back, do what you can do,
and ki guys like Quinton Morris and Jacoby Myers, how
about Austin Trammell would.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
A big catch the other day?
Speaker 4 (04:22):
Do what you can do, and this coaching staff deserves
real credit for figuring out out a way to do
what they could do against a very good Chargers team.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
And to that point, I think about this, in the
last three games, they'd had stretches where they scored on
six straight drives and four out of five drives the
other day.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
It's starting to look like they wanted to.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Look no punting, so that's always a good sign as well.
So our final big thing today is going to be
leading the way. We've talked a lot about leadership. The
defense did not play well against the Texans, but they
came back with an outstanding performance against the Chargers. And
credit to Josh heinz Allen, who you know, the past,
Verus has taken a lot of slack and right so
because they haven't been living up to Sanderds.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
They got after Justin Herbert this.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Week, and of course Josh Heinzellen now has that sack
record for the franchise. What's most important about this, I
think Brian you would agree, is this leadership factor and
kind of using this moving forward Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
You know, leadership can be something that people put too
much weight on. Eventually, you have to be a great player,
right If you're a great player, you are by default
a leader in the locker room. Josh happens to have
qualities of both the great player and a guy who's
got the natural inclination to lead. Here's what I like
the effort he put in last week, the will not
quit falling to the ground, gonna get the sack that
(05:37):
is contagious. And he talks all the time John about
the guys who are on the field with him right now,
the guys that Christian Braswell will go back and look
at the Iron Jaguar series that they did with the
coaching staff and the personal or the performance staff back
in the spring.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Josh will point out that a lot of the guys
who are contributing right now were.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Guys that exceled back then, and Josh believes in them.
This team believes in him, He believes in those guys.
I just think that there's a fuel on that defensive
side to go out and do it again this week
because of Josh heinz Allen.
Speaker 5 (06:09):
Yeah, sometimes in a long season need to reset. It
felt like the defensive front, especially after the Houston Texans game,
really said you know what, whatever was going on before,
let's get started now. And it was an impressive effort
against the Chargers. They need that sort maybe not to
(06:29):
that level, but they need disruption from that group going forward.
This is a big week because the whole theme to
me this week is, look, it was great to do
it once, you gotta do it again, and especially the
defensive front has to do it again.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
You gotta build on what happened on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Stay with's here on jag Zam.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
We're gonna do a little this or that as we
look ahead to this week's patch up against the Cardinals.
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Speaker 3 (07:05):
This O.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
This welcome back to jagsza I. We're gonna play a
little this or that.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
We're looking ahead but kind of also just assessing where
the team is at right now.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
It's week twelve. They're very much in the playoff picture
at this point.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Got a big AFC win over the Chargers that could
kind of be used maybe potentially with tigh breakers.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
They have one over the Chiefs as well.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
So when we kind of look ahead, let's Brian, we
were talking about this this morning.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
This game against the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Maybe is a game that they don't win in the
previous years, right, especially like the importance that we're playing.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Dragon Wars never won those games?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Right?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
So are we officially the new Jags at this point?
Are we still saying old Jags?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
You know what I say?
Speaker 1 (07:45):
And will this Cardinals game proved one or both one
or either of the other?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Correct?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
And I'm sure you both have had this conversation, But
it's those Jags and these Jags, right, have it in
the aisle at Public's, you know, walking on the beach,
wherever you're at.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
People want to know if this team is these.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Jags, the team that played on Sunday or those Jags
previous Jaguars teams that A wouldn't show up for a
game like this and then B wouldn't follow up John
with a game like this. And the best example I
can give you is the end of twenty twenty three, right,
I mean, you have a game you should win, you
have the playoffs on the line, and you go to Tennessee.
They are a one trick pony. It was Mike Grabel's
(08:22):
final game and all they do was run the ball.
And all you knew you had to stop was Derrick
Henry and those Jags didn't do it.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
They didn't do it. So is it these Jags? Do?
Speaker 4 (08:36):
We believe that this team is Liam Cohen's team and
they play his way and they're going to avoid the
mistakes of those Jags, these versus those john What do
you see?
Speaker 5 (08:46):
I don't think there's any questions these Jags. I thought
that all year, and I would have thought that even
for the San Diego I mean the Yes Sargers.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Can still say San Diego too, just because of this.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
They're still beat up right now and it's still the NFL,
so you don't know what's gonna happen on Sunday. But
their response, this team has fought and punched all year.
They're six and four. It's an up and down week
and week league. But you're six and four and you've
beaten the Chiefs, You've beaten the forty nine ers, you
beat the Panthers, you've beaten the Texans, and you've eat
in the charters.
Speaker 6 (09:15):
All of those teams are.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
About five hundred.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
They have a strong strength of whatever. All those things,
they're good. I think they'll play well on Sunday. If
they don't get it, I think it's because they're still
coming back.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
There's still some flaws.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
The secondary is still hurt, there's still some things that
they have not been able to get right since they.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Started all this.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
But to me, they're a new franchise.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
They're good.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
No matter what happens Sunday, I think they'll win. I
think they're gonna go on a little run. I think
they're gonna get in and they're gonna start proving it.
But no matter what happens, this is a different feeling
than last year.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I agree. I believe in these Jaguars. I still need
to see them put.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
The ghost of those Jaguars to the past and go
beat Chacob right. I know he set an NFL record
with forty seven completions. The Jaguars have seen him four times,
they're one in three against him. He has two touchdowns
and three interception.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Is a career.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Go beat Jacoby Brissett and the Cardinals, and then I
think we can officially put those Jaguars too bad.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
I think the good news on this front is we
talked about during big things. They're finding what they are.
They knew what they were after Carolina in the first week,
and then you get beat up and Travis Hunter's out
and BTJ as his issues and you're still trying to
figure it out. Last week, I think sort of reset
(10:37):
on both sides. We've got to be a defensive line
and offensive line oriented team, and it feels like they
refound themselves and maybe it's a refresh if you will.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, I think I don't know what the outcome will
be this week, and I know the energy and I
know what we're going to see put out onto the field.
After what we saw against the Chargers, I feel like
that was kind of a canon moment for me to
see what the response was going to be. I have
no doubt they'll be prepared, but as mentioned, they do
have a lot of injuries, so I'm not entirely sure
what it looked like, but I think they'll be ready.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Just one quick follow up on that is last week
I said it was it was on Liam Cohen. This
was his week to make this his team. This week,
I think it's on the players, right. I think the
energy that you speak of is on them and they've
got to bring it to push through and there's enough
guys who've been here for those Jags to understand how
to make the transition.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
One other thing that we saw, we saw a great
ground game from them. Both Facial Tutent and Travis Etn
had great days on the ground. And what was cool
about it was the offensive line was banged up, but
they didn't get Brent's strange back like they thought, you're
starting right tackle. Anton Harrison wasn't able to play. It
was Cole Van Lannon and he's been playing very well,
kind of plug and play a couple different spots in
(11:44):
the line when asked to be out there, John, when
you look at the offensive line and what we've seen
from Cole Van land and do you think when everyone's
back that will see it completely back to the starting
fire or do you think they're going to have to
try to work him in somewhere.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
It's it's it's a legitimate question. Do you move somebody
over to left tackle Walker Little has struggled? Do you say, Okay,
we're gonna go back to our starting five because that's
what we have the most chemistry with. I think the
good news is Van Lannon's ready. If you see weakness anywhere, he's.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
Clearly ready to go in quickly.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
I think on the offensive line, this offensive line, even
in the weeks where people thought they played bad, did
not really play horribly. There's been situations against the Rams,
they struggle the couple, but it's a good offensive line
that you feel like in these last seven games unless
(12:39):
they're playing one of the dominant defensive lines. I'm talking Seattle,
Houston's domin They're gonna see Denver, They're gonna see Denver.
But for the most part, this group has been able
to play winning offensive line, which I think bodes well
over the last seven games. If they stay out of
bad down in distance, this team can score points and
(13:02):
be in their last seven games.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
If the identity is the running game, and I think
we believe that it is well that I think you
stay put Walker Little this week played really well. He
is a very good run blocking tackle. If they find
themselves in a position where they're having to throw a
whole lot and we see struggles like we saw from
Walker in Houston. He didn't play very well against Seattle
or the Rams, colvi ain Land and showed you he
(13:26):
can do it. I think he's a better pass protecting
tackle than Walker Little is. But if the identity is
run the ball, Walker Little is pretty darn good at that.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yeah, that's definitely a group where I've got my eye out.
Just been very impressed with cold a Land and so
I wouldn't be surprised either way that they go with
that when they are back to full strength.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
So stay with us here on Jagszam.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Coming up at for the break, we'll talk a little
bit about what's going on around the NFL. For twelve years,
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Speaker 2 (14:02):
Inventory and Go Jets. Welcome back into gags Am.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
We're gonna talk a little bit about the division to
keep chabs on everybody. The Titans and Texans faced off
last week. Texans able to get a last second win
over the Titans, and they did it with quarterback Davis Mills,
and it looks like we might see him again this week, Brian,
because it's a short week and they're facing off on Thursday.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Night against the Bills. Right, and the word is CJ.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Stroud is practicing in Houston as much as they practice
during the week that you play on Thursday.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Night, but he's not expected to play.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
So that means that the Jaguars fans out there who
are watching feel pretty good about the Bills and what
they did last week and the way their quarterback's playing
against Davis Mills.
Speaker 5 (14:42):
Yeah, you're at the point of the season where I
get it's fun to talk about all this Bills Texans. Yeah,
you'd like the Bills to win it to knock the
Texans back, But the Bills are also looking like a
wildcard team. Yes, so I don't know that either of
those teams losing is bad for the Jags. So I
(15:04):
think the Bills win that because I think on Thursday
night a lot of times, game planning gets out of
the window, and the best player in the league is Josh.
Heines is Josh Allen, so usually when it's a schoolyard fight,
he wins the schoolyard fight.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Here's the story.
Speaker 4 (15:18):
Though we have been talking about meaningful games around Thanksgiving
to the end of the year around here for a
long time, we haven't been able to talk about him this.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
If they win, if they lose kind of thing.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Is exactly what you want in your fan base as
you get towards Christmas. It creates interest in every game
every week.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
You always like to have a stake in each of
the games, so that's always exciting. And now the Colts
had a bye week last week. Obviously they're off to
an amazing start, but they're going to face off against
the Chiefs this week and their remaining strength of schedule
is the most difficult Number one in the NFL. So
they're getting into a tough stretch at a time when
the Jaguars are hopefully getting into a little bit easier stretch.
So what are we going to see from the Colts
(15:55):
now they've got some tougher opponents.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
The Kansas City's my hometown.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
I talk to a lot of people out there, and
the Kansas City Chiefs fans have become accustomed to playing
in the AFC Championship Game.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
The thought that.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
They wouldn't be Division champs, as they have been nine
consecutive years in a row is absolutely unacceptable to them.
Funny because when I grew up there, the Chiefs were terrible.
The reality of it is is that you have a
very desperate team that if they lose another AFC game,
fall further behind, their chances of just making the playoffs become.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
So much smaller.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I expect a desperate, dangerous Kansas City team that John
hasn't been desperate or dangerous in Patrick Mahomes' time. With
Andy Reid pulling the trigger, I expect this to be
heack of the ball game.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
Yeah, and it can sort of go like both ways
in the Chiefs right now. Sometimes these teams that have
been great for a long time have these seasons where
you keep expecting the old team to show up and
then you get to the end of the season.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Realize that the old team wasn't there.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
So I don't necessarily think as long as you have
Patrick Mahomes at quarterback that's the case. I think they
will win this game.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
This week, it's harder to beat the Chiefs. This team
did it, So this is that theory doesn't hold that
much water. But a division team like the Broncos knows
how to play the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
If you don't know how to play them, you know
how to uh how to play Mahomes.
Speaker 6 (17:21):
It can be different.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
So I think the Chiefs have some more punches left
in them. Do they have enough punches to get to
the end of the season. Uh, their record makes t
could make that tough.
Speaker 4 (17:30):
You know, you covered the Patriots and you grew up
in New England, so you can appreciate this. I can
remember we went up there in twenty seventeen to practice
before preseason game and to see all these kids who
were you know, between what eight and twenty that never
knew anything but winning, And I can remember thinking, boy,
are these kids in for a shock when when twelve
decides to hang it up and it's the exact same
(17:51):
thing in Kansas City, where they've won three of the last.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Six Super Bowls. It it's difficult for you to accept reality.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
It's expectations for sure.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
And we will see what that actually looks like, whether
the Chiefs can pull another rabbit out of the hat
and kind of turned clock back a little bit.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
By the way, because of your history with the Patriots,
what did you think of those uniforms they wore last week?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I didn't hate them.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
They weren't my favorite, but I don't like them in general,
because I think every division is going to get some
muted version of that. Because what the Bills had the
ice breaker ones.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah, I forget what they call it.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
It's it just looked a little, I don't know, it's
a little.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
The State Trooper blue is very similar, So it was
it was just an interesting color combination. But I'm sure
we'll have our version next year and then I'll have
to vote in on that. But I'm all about the throwbacks,
So I'm just I'm gonna say as many as as
many Jaguars throwbacks, I'm very, very strong. The bright red
pat the Patriots are my other favorite.
Speaker 5 (18:43):
Yeah, those are the ones that they already used. But
I'm an old man.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Get off my lawn, stay.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
With us here.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
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a couple more home games when we start thinking about it,
because we've been away.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
We'll be away again.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
For two weeks and then back to face off against
the Colts and the Jets, and then.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Tightens at the end of the year.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Tightens at the end of the year. So it's getting
down to that time, which is crazy to think about.
Speaker 5 (19:38):
Yeah, it's schedule shapes up to where you can start
having some exciting stuff at home if you take care
of business.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, who are you talking to this week or what are.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
You looking forward to?
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Talking offensive line? Sean Sareht, the offensive line coach. We'll
ask him about about how.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Walker's playing and how Cole Van Landon factors into that,
and whyatt Mylem got some time on the field against
the Chargers. And you know, I've been told that once
he gets into the lineup, it's gonna be tough to
take him out because they think so highly of him
and he's proven to them that he has got the
skills to be a long term starter in Jacksonville. So
there's some reason for optimism. And as Sean mentioned, they
(20:14):
haven't played that bad. I mean, they gave him some
sacks and some of those were on the quarterback.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Yeah, you get the idea with Mylon that if you're
playing guard, don't get hurt because he's probably not going
to give up his spot once he's in there, maybe
not in the short term, in long and he's gonna
be the guy. I'm talking to Antonio Johnson for the
Ozone podcast and I'm not sure I ever talked to
him in that capacity.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
I'm looking forward to.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
A great story and it was well, no, no, I
was just gonna tell you I talked to him last
year and he grew up.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
A part of his childhood was living in a car,
and he's St. Louis, Illinois, which if you.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Don't realize, he's one of the toughest cities, one of
the toughest places to live and grow up. I think
he's a tremendous story and he's a pretty well spoken kid, very.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Well talent, and a great one with Jacobe Myers last week.
If you had the Ozone pod, I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Checking in with the franchise leader in sacks, Josh Hanzellen
for Off the Field, So anyone with questions send him
my way.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
If not, we'll be back here for Diazam tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
We'll do a deep dive as we get ready for
the Cardinals game on Sunday,
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