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here to give you those insights. I'm merely new, he scrugs.
And if you haven't been to a Cowboy game all
year long.
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This is the last one, just the one to go to.
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And I've told people this is the time to go
because you can get tickets lower price, good seats because.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
See a playoff team, not the Cowboys, but their opponent.
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What I found is right now, people would give you
that ticket because they want to have Christmas money, because
they got off the train.
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I have to hope you this is the week to
go now, right right She just started justin Herbert Turbine,
Jay I was always Chai Scott.
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I talked to marriage Land. I said, because you've been
talk about taking her son at the said this week,
you can get that ticket.
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Cheapest tickets on sea geek right now to get a seat,
not even standing room.
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Get a seat for seventy one dollars.
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Shoot, that's my son.
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He can get a standing room for thirty one.
Speaker 7 (01:28):
You can go stand and run into the stadium and
be on a video that John Machota will tweet.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Out right, So there you go. So if you thought
about going to see the Cowboy, this is the last opportunity,
this is the time to go, because I just I
know those people who have those season tickets, like hey
man Christmas talking about let me go ahead, get that cash.
So there we go. There we go, just in case,
just trying to PSN ed Warder Hall of Famer Brian
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Schottenheimer today.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Brian Schottenheimer, Brian.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Schottenheimer today getting that seat that so many coaches.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
Well, he was fir first of all, unequivocal about Dak Prescott.
If you do get one of these tickets on sun
for Sunday, you will see Dak Prescott, not Joe Milton. Yes,
and he made it seem like the next three games
we're going to be played and started by Dak Presk.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I bet Joe Milton starts the last one.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
At Washington, No, at the Giants.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
New Jersey and the Meadowlands.
Speaker 9 (02:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
And then I think the most newsworthy thing he said
was when he was asked about Jerry Jones's comments on
the radio yesterday, in which he effectively said, we're going
to evaluate whether Matt Eberflus remains a defensive coordinator based
on how the defense performs in these last three games.
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How he interpreted that, how he handled it with his
members of his coaching staff, and he said, hey, we
all recognize this is the National Football League and it's
about winning, and he thinks Flus is a great coach,
but acknowledged that obviously they're not playing to an acceptable
standard on that side of the ball, which seems pretty obvious
when you just look at the numbers.
Speaker 6 (03:02):
One of the most telling thing Jerry said was this is,
Jerry seems like all these other quarterbacks play better against
us than they do anybody else.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
When Jerry says that, you gone, eh.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
And I believe, at least over the last few weeks
that any season that's labeled a disappointment. Somebody got to
take the hit. Is either going to be the head coach,
the OC, or the DC. But the head coach is
his first year, you probably don't give him to hit.
The OC they averaging thirty points a game.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
He is the OC.
Speaker 6 (03:30):
Well, yeah, that's the other part. He is YOC, so
that leaves one person lift to take the hit.
Speaker 5 (03:35):
The only reason there might be some hesitation is because Jerry,
earlier in the year, when he was still protecting his
decision to hire Matt Eberflus's defensive coordinator, made a point
of saying, my biggest mistake this year was in not
recognizing that continuity on the defensive side of the ball
is important too. We shouldn't be having a new defensive
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coordinator every year, and if they fire ebrafo loose, they're
going to have their fourth defensive coordinator in four Years's yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:04):
Because by adding quinnen by these two first round picks,
you gonna add on defense and free agent you're gonna
have a new defense anyway, so you might as well
bring it in a new dude.
Speaker 7 (04:15):
Yeah, I wrote after the game, it was you know,
we spent all week hyping up Brian Flores and.
Speaker 8 (04:19):
What he does well.
Speaker 7 (04:20):
He's you know, he's asked asked Schottenheimer about it and
asked even asked ibra Flus about, you know, what he
does well. And then everything that we talked about he
did in the game and they found success doing it.
And Dak who is one of the quarterbacks in the
league that's typically been pretty great against the Blitz, was
nine for nineteen against the Blitz in that game, and
it effected the offense and how they moved down there.
Speaker 5 (04:38):
So you're saying, shot, he got beat in the game, Hey,
in a lot of shot. He got beat by Brian
Flora is just as bad as ibra Flus got beat
by JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 8 (04:46):
I wouldn't say that.
Speaker 7 (04:48):
I wouldn't say that necessarily, but I bring all that
up to say because I wrote postgame. I was like, man,
you have a daunted, feared defensive coordinator on the other side.
It's time the Cowboys go get one themselves. You know,
you saw one. You saw what it could do for
you on the other side of the ball. You saw
how it played into complimentary football for JJ McCarthy. Uh,
there was a stat this morning that they had the
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least amount of total yards for a team that did
not get a takeaway or short a short field basically
in NFL history for a team that won. And so
it's it's in in NFL history, NFL, NFL something like that.
Speaker 8 (05:25):
Yeah, yeh, I need to find.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Who's ordinator's going to be able to go get who's
going to work for this organization.
Speaker 8 (05:32):
Can we talk about guys on a contract?
Speaker 10 (05:34):
No, you cannot wow, Overlord Chris By, you can write it.
Speaker 7 (05:45):
I say this, there there is there is a there's
a guy out there in the a C that is
not a coordinator right now. There should be And just
go look at one of the best defenses in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
You'll find him best pass rush defense in the NFL. Sure,
I have a I have a subsequent point I'd like
to make on the subject, if you don't mind, if
we have time for it, Oh, let's do it. The
thing that bothered me about what Jerry said yesterday was
he took no ownership as a general manager for the
flawed roster that Matt Eberflus was given to begin this
season and may still have in large measure.
Speaker 8 (06:17):
Did you think he was?
Speaker 4 (06:18):
I think he should, But did you think he was.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
I'm not. I'm not here to tell you what I
think he would do. I'm telling you here to tell
you what's right and what's wrong.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
But I'm telling you what as somebody who's covered the
team for thirty years, have you ever seen him do that?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
You want an accountability. And as far as Jerry earlier
talking about you know what he did wrong and you
know changing coordinators, Jerry's sank. God had told us once
just because I said, it doesn't make itself right. And
to me, the way I took it was okay, Yeah,
I didn't help you out, but I went out and
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got some help. And it looked like.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
Might have been a little too late. I mean, this
season was decided between the two traits. In the nine
games they played between the Micah Park and the Quinn
and Williams trade, they lost their season.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Yeah, yeah, the Cardinal game might might have been helped
to think, but still in his mind, we won three
in a row. Here we go to Detroit effectively and
we're on the wood locker room and they said this
is the playoff game. They gave forty four points. Yep,
you're watching Amaras Saint Brown on a bad ankle guys
playing ten twelve yards off? That got me. They got
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eight up and then you come back the next week. Okay,
here's sunny at the ball ten days.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Can we mention one thing on that Detroit game, as
we're accusing the defensive coordinator of failing and the defense failing,
They had five touchdown drives in that game, and the
longest one was fifty nine yards because they had two
hundred and sixty one yards in returns on kickoffs. So
that was as much a special team's loss as it
was a defensive loss. And how many times did the
offense turn the football over?
Speaker 3 (07:47):
And I think that the special teams coordinator may be
a conversation as well. That may be a conversation starter a.
Speaker 7 (07:53):
Man that special teams coordinator answer, he came out on
that first drive, little flip first down, that's touchdown drive.
Speaker 8 (07:58):
That doesn't happen with our specialty.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I mean both bones. Fossil could have given a cent
if he never did. No, he gave us fake punch.
Speaker 11 (08:05):
He would he would have done was known as a CJ.
Goodwin on his own twenty three act. He just gave
the players the opportunity to activate it. But but just
back to the whole thing. And defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
The man sat there and watched JJ McCarthy ito, and
now it's in his mind. JJ ad us up. He
hadn't really done much. Jacoby Brissett ate us up. The
Cardinals what they put up twenty seven a season.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
High on five teams I think have scored their season
high point total against the count.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yes, okay, let me and eight have they either been
the six, one or two in terms of seasons?
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Switched a dialogue? What is the case for iber flu stain.
Speaker 5 (08:40):
What I just told you?
Speaker 7 (08:41):
The continuity factor is the only thing.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
That's what I mean, That's and and and Jerry's mind
is I hired this guy.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I hired this which is the other thing. When you
I was waiting on Shottenheimer to say shot, Himer said, head, look,
I've been him before. I've been that guy where people
are pointing to finger me. I hadn't heard him say,
you know what, that's my guy, right you?
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Like Bill part ourselves would have said, it's my coaching staff.
I'll decide who's on my coaching staff. Jimmy Johnson would
have said, I'll tell you who my defensive coordinator is
going to be.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Now, you know what's interesting about that those both of
those coaches had contractual authority to do that.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
I would doubt you're not gonna get that kind of
pushback from a first time head.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
Well, that's why you had these kinds so that you
can have some similis of control, which why you can't
get it get just.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Have total control and nobody challenges it.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah, it's it's it's bad. And and I.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Don't you think they've made a bunch of odd decisions
on the defensive side of the.
Speaker 7 (09:35):
Ball, But there have been some decisions that should have
been benefiting e Refluce that I don't feel like half.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
I don't feel like like figuring out the middle linebacker
thing after two trades at that position, having three defensive tackles,
Like when they signed os it was like, Okay, we
got Eberfluce's three technique, let's move on. And then they
go trade Michael Parsons and they don't. They don't get
it outside pass rush. So they get what they wanted,
another defensive tackle, and then they traded one of those
picks for another defensive tackle and they have no edge rush.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
That's because USA has never been that dude. They paid
him as a reaction area as a reaction, so good.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
I'm just saying, if you get it right with him,
then you don't need the other two guys.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
But that's what I'm telling you.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
They and I'm telling you that's a general manager. That's
not the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
And I'm not disputing it's it's all the same thing.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
And we know this GM's not firing himself, correct the
owner is, so so it is it comes with the
me this. They they have overvalued a lot of their
talent through the years in certain positions. They're like we
were you know those times we're training camp. This don't
look good. We like our guys, and then it goes south,
and it went south this year. But here's Jerry now
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jumping off the Eberflus train. And at this point in time,
I don't know if Matt can fix it because you
got the charges coming here. It's physical football team. I
don't expect them to win this football game. And then
you've got two games that essentially they don't matter. They
don't matter, and right now the way.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
This train is laying on the road in the Christmas day,
so on the holidays, yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
You gotta go up Christmas Eve. You're playing Christmas Day.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
The wife and kids aren't happy with you. Right, the
game doesn't really matter, right, you could be my check
has already been direct to positive.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
You could be eliminated Saturday about Eagles games.
Speaker 8 (11:20):
So, I mean Netflix is buffering, right.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
So there's a lot of stuff here that's going on
here that just doesn't add up very well for Mattiebraflusen.
I don't know if he can fix it.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Your last three games matter more than the first thirteen.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
I think Jerry's just trying to find a way to
make these games of some consequence.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
Okay, yes I.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Would just after the charge of game, you know you
got all your money. You know you got you got
the tickets, you got the party, you got all all
the margaritas, told who gets last two games on the road? Man?
You know? So so what it was? Once again, just
because I said it doesn't make it so from Jerry.
He said it today once after Sunday's charging it. Who knows?
Who knows? Because that Thanksgiving? I mean, I think the
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Christmas Day game is, man, I don't know. I don't
know going today, Yeah, I don't know. Maybe, young Nick,
you got some statistics to me. What what's the record
for folks out of the playoffs having to.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Go play holiday games on the road. We'll have that
for you next week when it's relevant.
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Yeah, yeah, learned my lesson last year. I said bring
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media match Jack Taylor ed murder and it cares something new,
He scrugg young Nick practice reporters out, give me a
digs update. Trayvon Trayvon Diggs.
Speaker 7 (15:15):
Yeah, it's it's been another roller coaster four or five
days in the Trayvon Dick saga. But today was on
the injury report. He was He's going to be on
it with the knee issue since he is in the
practice window and he's ramping back up. But he was
added with a hip injury today as well, so now
dealing with multiple things.
Speaker 8 (15:32):
He was listed as limited.
Speaker 7 (15:33):
Five guys did not practice Ceedeelamb was out with an illness,
Quinn Williams and Hunter Lipkey were out with concussions. You
also had Deron Bland who was out with the foot,
and then Tyler Gueiiton who's still battling the high ankle spring.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
So how many of those guys are going to play
on Sunday? Man you need Bland, no Trayvon and no
Quinn dig says he's healthy.
Speaker 8 (16:00):
No lip Key probably.
Speaker 7 (16:02):
I think I would imagine Guiden makes his way back
because this would be four games that he would have missed.
You would think they would have put him on I
R if they had foreseen him potentially missing four games.
But also Nick Thomas is dealing with the shoulder. He
was on the practice report grand he was full, but
he had a shoulder wrap on in the locker room.
Speaker 8 (16:20):
So we'll see.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
So Diggs, Nick, we were there Friday. Dick said he
was good, ready to go. It's up to them. I
talk to them, then they don't play him. Diggs made
himself available in the locker room, highly unusual.
Speaker 8 (16:37):
He made sure he was available.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Hey, doing a one on one with Josina Anderson. You
know just I mean he's talking to Pat do talking
to everybody.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
That was his first big mistake. You know, he's right there,
he was talking to us.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
He was right there. Just you know, you available. Yeah,
you know, I'm prided. I mean whatever, if you were there,
he was ready to go to let everybody know. And
then Jerry on Tuesday and asked on his show, I
want to fight through the fans. I mean no, I
don't can't play.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
And then Shoty I made it very clear why he's
not available. At long conversation with him, told him everything
you need to do. I would never play. I would
never bench a guy. And I tell him exactly why
he wasn't playing.
Speaker 8 (17:13):
Dak told him too.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
After the decision was made, go in shot his office
on Monday, ask him everything that you need to do
this week so that you can play on Sunday. Uh
did he did he go to the office and talk
to Shotty yesterday or on Monday?
Speaker 5 (17:24):
He did not.
Speaker 6 (17:25):
I see Deak is like me. I told my son
that one time you want to play more, you should
go talk to the coach and that to ask him
exactly what you need to do to get more playing time.
Speaker 8 (17:33):
Did you do it?
Speaker 5 (17:34):
I don't think there's anything he can do to get
more playing time at this point.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
If they weren't going to play him during the vikings, that.
Speaker 5 (17:40):
Was if they weren't going to play and when the
season matter, they're not going to play him now, correct,
So it's.
Speaker 8 (17:45):
Right because I think it's a foregone conclusion.
Speaker 7 (17:47):
You ask anybody in this building, You ask a janitor
that might not know about football, and that person will
tell you that Trayvon Diggs is most likely out of
here this offseason, and throwing him back out on the
field for these last three games only jeopardizes with looks
like financially for.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
The Cowboys, and and he's a guy who with approven
injury history, so they are there fears in that regard.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Merited and so your you're it's it's just.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
I would like to have seen him play in Detroit
when it still mattered, when maybe maybe he's enough of
an improvement over revel a rookie that he doesn't get exploited.
Forget making a play that makes a difference, just doesn't
get exploited like the rookie did, or like Carson did
last week. It's like their young corners have been killed
the last two games.
Speaker 8 (18:32):
Sidebar.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
They got to take that damn brace off of Rebel's knee.
It is limiting his mobility.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
He seemed to be bothered by it several times out
today and practice.
Speaker 8 (18:39):
They gotta take that thing off. But this is.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
In training camp. It felt like this was going to
be it for Diggs the way things were going. But
to just see it go so sour is just you know,
from a second round pick who I thought they should
take him the first round, but then they end up
taking seed the lamp, so they get him in the
second round, and then he comes to All Pro Player
to see this happen, and you thought that the deal
that they gave a it's a good.
Speaker 5 (19:04):
Deal, you know, just to see it all come when
Jerry publicly questioned that deal at training camp after Diggs
stood shoulder to shoulder with Micah when he was announcing
he wanted to be traded, you knew it was a
bad situation. When they took the five hundred thousand dollars,
which was their right. Yes, you knew it was a
bad situation. Any here we.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Are, I just shake my head. I just shake my head.
And this is not This is not what championship organizations do.
This isn't good. How did it get this way?
Speaker 7 (19:38):
Which part as far as this is not what championship
organizations do, you blame the organization in the DIGS fiasco.
I think there's some organization will blame, but I don't.
I think it's pretty lopsided.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
So somewhere along the way there was a miscalculation to
give him this contract and things just just like okay,
it was here, now this is this is somewhere along
the way they made a mistake. They know the player.
Did the player change? That's been something some people have said,
and some people said, no, he's the same guy he's been,
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but something changed where I don't know what the rehab
thing and he and the stat but something changed here.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
That was a big part of it. The coordinator's changed
three times.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yeah, and just for this thing to get this is
this is bad. You know, now you're gonna have to
eat this money and you need money because you got
you know, a free agent George.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Ideally he would have been the player you paid him
to be.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
Well, yeah, you know, Al Harris might have. Al Harris
leaving might have been a big deal. Yeah, but this
is just bad. This is you don't want to make
these kind of mistakes on these deals. Everybody makes mistakes,
but you don't want to make This is a bad mistake.
And you're gonna have to eat some money and they
need money right now.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
And for a guy that you thought was a cornerstone
and you bet on being a cornerstone, he's now become
a dude you can't wait to run out of the
building and now you're sitting here at press conference trying
to dance and run. Well, he's this, he's this is bad.
I mean looking Diggs didn't help himself either. I mean, yeah,
he's played a huge role when when he came out
there out of the locker room against the forty nine
ers in full uniform to go after a reporter by
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something he saw on social media that was ridiculous, And
that was where I was like, man, pads are still
on right, full full uniform, Doug, he worried about the
wrong thing. Yeah, when he came out I thought he
was looking okay, he's looking for an agent, family member,
something possible, like you know, something might have gone wrong,
you know, but then you gonna go over to the
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Homeboys start that Michael, that what you saw. I don't
wait a minute, we got this. This I just say wow.
And for a guy who played for Nick Saban talks
about blocking out the noise.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
I don't think he was one of Nick Saban's favorite
players either from what I was told when he was drafted.
But he made himself into a great player, one dimensional.
But that one thing he could do was special. You
know for a second round pick to become an All
Pro player you lead the NFL and interceptions, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
I mean this is what you This is what you
look for, you know, you look for this kind of
impact that showed that they were you know, they scattered
a good play. God, I mean they did, they did
what they needed to do right and then rewarded the player.
And then this is bad.
Speaker 7 (22:15):
I have a two part question. First part, when this
front office was considering giving Michael Parsons the deal that
he wanted in the off season, specifically you know, closer
toward training camp, uh, fair to say that there was
a lot of injury history that was in the back
of their minds as far as being gun shyed toward
giving him that deal.
Speaker 8 (22:34):
Correct.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
I wonder how much of this dig situation ends up
lingering into other contract situations as well. Alast George Pickens
could could even look at you know, a couple others
that are that could be coming down the line. Well,
Blaine's already been done. It's more so about like future decisions.
You know, It's like, Okay, you know this, this injury
has happened, but also it's compounded with the off the
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field issues that could kind of already be seen before
the contract was signed. But hey, he's a hell of
a player. You sign the deal, you get it done.
Do they maybe look at some of the things that
George Pickens is doing right now and does it give
him a little bit of gun shyness in that end?
And I wonder if those kind of same comments are
made by Jerry next offseason similar to how they were
before the whole Michael ordeal really is.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Right, he used it to deflect blame for the accusation
that you're not proactive enough of these players exactly.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
As in terms of signing Micah. That's why you've gotten
yourself in this situation with Micah. And he said, well,
you might say I signed a couple of players too early,
and he specifically mentioned Diggs and Steel right.
Speaker 7 (23:35):
He said, I could sign them and he can go
get hurt tomorrow Worth mentioning Michael Parsons did tursay seal
this last weekend.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
But let's take a break here because the Pickens number, yep,
let's talk about the Pickens number last game two games,
not what.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
One hundred forty yards three times what.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
We have expected and a potential Pickens number and doesn't
make sense. Let's dive into that next. Right here on
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Jacques Taylor at Werder, Nick Harris, I'm new scrugs. This
is the media mash. So George Pickens spoke today. George
Pickens is a free agent after the season. This is
his second straight game of an underwhelming performance.
Speaker 5 (26:46):
So it's been under forty yards receiving three times this
year and the Cowboys have lost all three games.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Not good, not good and potentially to what franchise it
was the twenty eight mil Nicks something roughly, it's just
over twenty eight basically thirty thirty. Was talking with Rick Goslin,
former Cowboy beat writer, NFL college writer, this Hall of
(27:12):
famer like Ed so plugged in as they get and
I always love talking with him about just different stuff
and that. And they said, we do a Dix He
says thirty million. So if you're paying him thirty million, pickings,
I mean pickings paying him thirty million, uh ceedee, Lamb
making thirty five, Dak making sixty. What are you doing, roster,
What do you do with your money? Like you look
at them like Gus, that's a lot of money. That's
(27:35):
a lot of money for three players.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
Yeah, but you can, uh, you can manipulate the captain,
get him in there. You're trying to win while your
quarterback is still in the contract for the next two
or three years.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
While he's still the highest paid player in football.
Speaker 6 (27:48):
While he's still a really excellent player, while he's still
the top elite quarterback. So you gotta do what you
gotta do. Other teams figure out how to do it. Yes,
there will be a bill to pay at some point.
We'll worry about that bill when it comes.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
The problem is with it. Teams that have done that
are Cincinnati and Rams Miami. One of the Rams saying
Devontine Williams Adams.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Adams not sure, but they were. You know, when they
were paying Jalen Ramsey all that cash and they're paying
Cooper Cup, they were paying some numbers.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
I'm trying to find somebody who pays a receiver or
two receivers at the top through the scale and a
quarterback at the top of the scot. I guess the
Eagles maybe do that and still massage.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
They've done it.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
They threw the running back in there too.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
But they were proactive. They got those guys at relatively
discounted rates.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Yes, they weren't. They were not top of the market guys. Yes,
David Mugland is going for top of the market with
George Picks, with Jerry Jones.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
Yes, So is he a must sign in your in your.
Speaker 7 (28:42):
Opinion, I do think he's a must sign. That number
is going to be very interesting. I think, if anything,
these last two weeks have proven that that number has
to be below thirty four, which is CD's number. I
think it comes in between thirty and thirty four. Eventually,
the closer they can get it to thirty, I think
is the more of a win it would be for
the team. Though, considering his production this year, I think
(29:02):
you have to I think you have to sign that
production personally. I mean, the cap is going to increase,
you're going to get a little bit more out of it.
But the fact is you're gonna have to draft well.
And that's with or without Pickens. You have a lot
of money tied into a lot of guys. You know,
we haven't talked about Terrence Steele. That's probably another contract
you're gonna have to move off of this season, which
makes it more important to draft a right tackle. Early
on in the draft next year. So there's a lot
(29:23):
of different things. But I think I think signing Pickens
is a I think that's a solution, not a problem.
Speaker 8 (29:29):
It's great to talk about CD in the maybes.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Yeah, well c's and maybes.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
Maybe what about Floridaike? Can can he not be a two?
Speaker 7 (29:36):
I don't think he could be a two. I think
he's I think he's more than capable three. Though more
than capable three.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
The interesting thing is about the whole contract structure to
get something done.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
If you the whole thing's going to start with his
reaction to being franchise tagged and his willingness to play
on the tag.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
I tried today, I last question of his availability, I said.
Speaker 5 (29:55):
Said one more, one more, and Nick said, I got it.
Speaker 7 (29:58):
So obviously the goal is a long term contract. What
are your thoughts on the franchise tag in general? You know,
I try to get general thoughts out of him, he said,
I'm just focused on the charges that together.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Man.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
You can look at his agency. His agent doesn't like
his guys playing on the franchise tag, so.
Speaker 5 (30:13):
He generally forced their They forced their way out and
they've been put it in.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
He won't be an auction ard if he's on a
franchise tag.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
So you already know that.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
So you know, is Jerry going to demand the same
type of Remember when Micah wanted to get paid at
the top of the scale, Jerry said, when I pay
that kind of money, I need a guy that's going
to be a leader in his room, his pickings.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
That that's just dumb to me. And here's why. Everybody
ain't built to be a leader. They're just not.
Speaker 6 (30:38):
It doesn't matter how much you pay them, they're not
built to be a leader. Like, so don't ask them.
I mean, it's just stupid to me. The more money
you make does not make you a leader. There are
lots of guys, not lots. There's several guys on every
team who are the tenth or twelfth play paid, highest
paid player.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Who people look to like, Oh, that's the.
Speaker 8 (30:58):
Guy Solomon Thomas.
Speaker 7 (31:00):
Okay, yeah, that's that's kind of the got important that
it's like, so but yeah, you.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Know Andy Clark, Quentin Williams.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
Yeah, so don't ask that dude to be a leader.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
But he did.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
I'm saying he did.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
Well, that's what I mean. Somebody got to tell you
that money don't make you a leader.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
Yeah, the idealism versus realism, ideal world, you're my highest
paid guy, you're you're that leader.
Speaker 5 (31:21):
But the guy who has to pay the contract thinks
that's an important part.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Like I said that, and do you see that in
pickings idealism versus real realistically No, in the real world, no,
I think that's also sometimes.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
Just an excuse not to pay.
Speaker 8 (31:35):
When Jerry to manipulate his behavior.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
This is Jerry him and I don't do it.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Is because I didn't believe in you.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
Was like, even CD is not really a leader, right
because he's too not a big person.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
It's too petulant, you know. So people, we need more
leadership from CD.
Speaker 6 (31:52):
No, man, CD is good doing whatever CD does to
make him go six for one ten and he good
his work, exit work, I think is fine in practice,
that's his leadership, asking him to say, hey, Nick, come
on over here and lift some of these weights, man,
and run these routes precise man.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Shut it up.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah. No, there's a lot of organ and it's not
just here. There's a lot of organizations that at times
want to bestow leadership on guys who don't want it to.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Josh Hamilton.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
He's no leader with the Texas Rangers, even though he
was by far the best player in the highest paid player.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
I'll give you example of the Rangers when they got
rid of Michael Young and they were trying to give
it to Ian kensel Kinsley wasn't trying to do that.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
I'm telling you, the owner of this team and the
general manager of this team said equated getting paid with
being a leader.
Speaker 3 (32:34):
We're just trying to listen to the show. He's the
one who has to decide and and he's living in idealism. Ideally,
that's what I'd like, but realistically we know that ain't
the case. And the owner does the owner Okay, that's
what makes our task.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Guy he said that about ain't here anymore. Yeah, and
part of it was because he didn't like his body
language laying on that training table.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
I'm gonna say, you know, if Thickings goes and lays
on the training tablet here a whole doesn't forgot thanks
a whole different conversation, but did his Uh.
Speaker 8 (33:02):
I'm waiting for Trayvon to pull it.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
He should do it in the next game, just even
though he's not playing.
Speaker 8 (33:08):
He just takes down like thirty to fourteen.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Just lay it down. He should be a fun Is
he talking tomorrow?
Speaker 4 (33:16):
We talk whenever you.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Want him to talk.
Speaker 8 (33:17):
He talks when he wants to talk.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Yeah, he'll want to talk this week.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
When he got something to say, he asked him to talk.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
Today. He didn't want to talk today.
Speaker 8 (33:23):
He talked to somebody today.
Speaker 5 (33:24):
Well, he talked to one person today.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Who's it. That's the meat pash for today.
Speaker 5 (33:30):
It's not somebody else.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
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