December 31, 2024 • 43 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is the Players Lounge, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys
World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts Barry Church,
Hecma Harrison, and Newie Scruggs.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yo, top of the Players Lounge. The final week of
the regular season, the final week the Cowboys is there?
They're done? After this week? Is they get ready to
face the Washington Common? Is Dallas week? Up there?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Dallas?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Are they gonna play?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Are they gonna play Daniels in the book because they clitched?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Heck Harrison is here, former Cowboys safety Barry Church, Newie Scrugs,
So yeah, man, woof, I'll find out what they're gonna do.
But what if the Cowboy's gonna do Jerry Jones on
his rail? Sure they would not commit about what what
happened with Trey Lance a quarterback. For me, that's frustrating.
I don't know about you. That's frustrating to me because
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there's nothing left to play for now. You've got one
game left and the bulk of what we've seen from
Trey Lance is the preseason. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
When do we get to the point where we just
be real with ourselves and say that that was a mistake.
I mean, whether it was a bargainingship for negotiations with
Dak or not, you traded a fourth form. They brought
him in, they got an opportunity to see what he had,
and at the end of the conclusion of that was
this guy can't help us. Dak's been gone for a
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very long time now, And if there was gonna be
a trey Lance opportunity, you would have thought, in between
Mike trying to save himself and everything else, if there
was anything there, you would.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Have seen some trey Lance by now. I mean, am
I It just helped me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
I don't want to be under the illusion that they're
saving him for something.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Just disillusioned by the whole thing. I mean, I mean,
you think about it. Mingos had more opportunity, Mingo, that's facts, Mingo.
Mingo has been out there. Who he got playing? Who
had that in a losing season? I mean, you're seventy nine.
Jeff Fisher will say that's seventy nine. You know on
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that seventy nine got no chance, And and we don't know.
This dude is still you know, it's like the unwrapped
Christmas get sitting there. We're gonna do something with it.
I mean, I don't I don't understand in this day
and age of roster acquisition and trying to take peaks
and looking at people to play the man. But Jerry
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didn't want to say anything it, which is amazing. Didn't
want to get away a game play. That's wow to
me because you basically traded a fourth rounder, you know,
for a practice squad player. Because if we looking at
it and we keep it in a being like we
always do on this show, you know, the most reps
Trey Lance has been having is just being a scout team.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Quarterback throwing up preseason.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
And I'm with you on this newie. Like we we
saw what we got from Cooper Rush. We understand what
we got from Cooper Rush. Solid quarterback can be the
bus driver when he got a full you know, arsenal
people around him. He could be that good backup in
a pinch, right in an emergency. So we know what
we got from Cooper Rush. Why not just you got
nothing to lose, Just throw Rush out there, not Rush
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Lance out there, and see what he can provide. You
may like what you see when he has, you know,
an officive line and some guys out there, and he's
not playing with threes and fours like we saw in
the preseason. So to me, I'm with you, Newie, just
just throw the man. You have nothing zero zero to lose.
Not gonna lose the locker room by putting him out there.
This is the last game of the season, you know
what I'm saying. So just go out there and see
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what he has and maybe, just maybe you get a
glimpse of Oh man, this dude can can do a
little something. Mike at the very least. Mike has talked
numerous times in his postgame press his press conference is
about he just needs to play. Yeah, I played a
lot of football, Okay, So if he hasn't played a
lot of football and you're on that seventy nine, boo,
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not the job. Play him, get him getting some reps. Now.
I don't want to sound blasphemous when I say this
or say that he's at this level at all, but
if it's one thing we've learned last year and even
something this year, Sometimes teams make mistakes and quarterbacks can
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develop over time, Sam Donald, Baker Mayfield. I'm not saying
he's even gonna be that because Sam Donald was, you know,
he played with the Jets, and Baker Mayfield played when
he was in Cleveland. This young man hasn't played. I'm
just trying to understand, what are we doing? Yeah? Maybe
heck ma, that's the whole thing. What are we doing?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
When you make a mistake, man, sometimes it's just better
to cut bait. And maybe it was a mistake. I mean,
just from a business perspective, I don't even look at
it as football. Look, I have to renegotiate a contract.
So what do I do I bring in a guy's
that bargainship against this contract that I'm negotiating. It didn't
go the way that you thought it was going to
go because you ended up paying Dak. You change the
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market at the quarterback position. You get him back here
and there's a battle between him and him and Cooper Rush,
and you see that Cooper Rush's leaps and bounds better
than him. You go through the season and just to
what you're saying, Barry, I think they've already had that.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
They've already given.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Him that opportunity out here they've already seen it, you know,
we've said it a practice and watched and seen the
reps that they've been giving him. They obviously don't feel
comfortable with going into a game with him at the
Helmets quarterback. And if they don't feel that, where and
if you made a mistake, okay, what I'm not okay
with is doubling down on a mistake, you know, training
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another fourth round pick for a guy that that hadn't
come in and had any production for you. That's what
That's what my problem is, because you need that fourth
this year with all the with everything that there is.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
You saw, we all saw where this was going. This
was a tic. You saw this thing was going that
seventy nine bo Yeah, and you gave away for me.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
You know you needed that form.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
So why is he talking about due he needs to play?
What's to disconnect that? Because he's like, look, man, this
man just needs some reps. So obviously the head coach
is like, look I want to get him out there. Well,
the head coach is trying to win some games. That's true, okay,
trying to win games. And if whether or not he
was coaching for Jerry coaching to go coach somewhere else
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that that's fine. Now we're at the end. We know
he's over.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Time.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You got to go home. But you gotta get.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Seasons, ashes to ashes, dust to dust, believe it. So,
so put the boy out there a little. But it
was forty one and seven. Why wasn't he playing major
minutes something? Okay, you out here watching Tanner from the
other team. Tanner out here tagging people. Yet he was
twenty five, dotted him up three or four. Let's looking like, hey, Rod,
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back in the day, he did look like previntage Romo.
He did. He got people like me, accurate bat shoulders
and all, oh my god, like gosh making stop their
string should.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
So, so why isn't Trey playing. We're gonna watch Cooper
come out here and do that. Frustrated frustrating because there's
how much frustrating here and all this abou rico down.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Man, I thought I was joking when y'all said that.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I said, back home, I mean, you know, capit. Do
we read the cowboy Twitter d in the name all
of the one thousand yards, the first cowboy and drafted
free agent to get that, God, thank you. Then you
go fumble.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, some cookies, man, And I don't.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Want to sound too disrespectful because I'm part of the
undrafted crew as well, and you know his accomplishments coming
from undrafted all that, because I get all that. But
when we look at the tape, the eye in the
sky doesn't lie. No, we've all seen it. And given
the opportunities that he's had, he's made the most of
his opportunities. But let's not fool ourselves here, man, we
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goo dawdle it. With all due respect, is not a
special running back. He's not a game changer. He's not
a guy that when you go into those pregame meetings
and you know, Monday Tuesday looking at fielm He's not
a guy that the coaches are circling saying, hey man,
we got to know where number twenty three.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Is at all times.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
He's just not that guy. He's a good maybe chaine
of pace or if your man guys needs a breather,
he can go in there and keep the ship afloat,
but he's not a difference maker when it comes to
the offensive side of the football.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And it's to me, I hate saying this because it's
one of one of your sayings and he's.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
A JAG's just a god at the running back position,
and he's had a heck of a year for where
he was where he was drafting orders. I get all that,
but when you're looking at tape, you know, guys ain't
sitting there saying.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Man, we don't stop reco it's a rap.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Oh my goodness. He's just not what you need.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Offensively, and you need more pop out of the backfield.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
So when y'all, you know, got that question to chat,
I'm like, oh, man, he's a free agents and you
know I'm Steven and coming.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Let him go be free, Let's see what Let's see
what the market is for him. But barbaris, he's had
four games of one hundred yards and that's what you're
talking about. I think when you put your turn on
the tape and you look this, I mean, I know,
from the beginning of the season you can give excuses
for those rookies on the offensive line and maybe not
the balance that you wanted offensively, but he gave you.
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I think in watching Rico, you're like, wait a minute, man.
You know I'm watching other running backs and I know
the position. Well, you're just not that guy that I
think is intimidating as you were talking about to other
teams that hey, we got to scheme up for this
dude to come in this game because the Cowboys got
a running back back and bust for one hundred and
fifty hundred and seventy.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Change the game, and that's what we were needing.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I think when you let Tony Pollard go, it's been
this thought process over the running back room or in
general all over the NFL that you could plug and
play anybody, throw him in there, right, And I think
that philosophy came that that went bad fast, That did
not age well, right, because now you're seeing guys like Saquon.
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Now you're seeing guys like dere Herry, you're seeing Jacobs,
You're seeing all these teams that have short up their
running back room, and oh, by the way, they are
headed into the playoffs with you know what I'm saying,
you have something to lean on when you watch a
when you watch a Detroit. Last night, I'm watching Detroit
and I'm like, man, damn, they lost their other guy.
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But Gibbs, I got a guy, right, They got another
guy right behind him. And we're in a situation right now.
I mean even if you think about the thousand yards
that he's gone for. Heck, if we lost him, think
about where the season would have gone. And I do
believe he was inactive for one game this season.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Correct. I want to say so yeah, was brought up.
I want to say absolutely, so.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, yeah, they.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Cut his dreads, Dreds came back. So it's been one
of those kind of years, bro.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
So it's been one of those.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Now I'm gonna throw this out now, I say this,
I'm gonna throw this out here. That's right, I'm just
gonna throw this out here in the fairness world, Okay,
fair fairness. Rico Dalal is tied for thirteenth and rushing
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with Najie Harris Pittsburgh, former Pittsburgh Steeler, a former first
round pick for Steelers one thousand and seven yards. They
both have at twelve with one thousand and seventeen yards
is ten more yards Tony Pollard sound by right, both
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have played fifteen games, and ahead of them all right
now is Bucky Irving one thousand and thirty three yards
and Bucky, of course is the guy that they could
have taken in the fourth round but they did not.
Bucky Irving with seven touchdowns, Tony Pollard with five touchdowns,
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Rico Dada with one touchdown, Naji Harris with five touchdowns.
And the numbers that Rico have are more than Joe Mixon,
more than Jared Cook, more than Alvin Kamara. So just
just throwing more than Breese Hall of the Jets. So
just throwing it out there, more than Brian Robinson of
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Washington who's only playing I would say thirteen games, Yes,
played thirteen, but I would still take every single one
of those backs, especially single one of those backs. I
would take over a young Rico Daddle.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
It's funny, man, you say Najia Harris because I'm watching
still a football. He's another one of those guys that's
just what what do you I mean? Come on, man,
bus yo, that's the whole go.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah. Yeah. He just does a lot of dancing behind
the you know, it's.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
A lot of timid, a lot of d dancing back
then thirty.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
So that's like when I see that drives me crazy
when I watch a running back do that and and
Le'Veon Bell, God bless him wherever he is right now
getting knocked out some yeah. Right, But he was one
of those running backs that really used to frustrate me
the way like they call, Oh, he's such a patient
run I'm like, no, he's timmy tiptoeing.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
You know, he's being timmy. He's not in the hole.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
And you know, to finally see at this point in
the season that part of Rico's games, somebody got put
the bug in his ear and said, man, you gotta
stop doing that a running back coach. For you've been
pointing that out a lot, you know, and you've been
talking about that, and I think, look, regardless my grandmother's quote,
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just can't make chickens out of chicken salad. No matter
how good of a coach you are, sometimes sometimes it
comes down to the talent that.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
You have in the room.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I don't think they've improved the position since Skip Pete
left there, And you go look at Tempa Bay and
what Tampa Bay has done since Skip Pete got there
in that running back room. Coaching matters that room overall.
Jerry Jones missed on as the general manager. Bringing Ezekiel
Elliott back was a was a mistake. Even with the
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rest of his camp. We westerned for the rest of
the year for the final push. No, no, that was bad.
The Dalvin Cook thing that was bad, the Hunter Lipkey
thoughts I had that was bad. The whole room just underwhelming.
And knowing that, Derrick Henry was like, had me pick me,
pick me, and you said no, you gave up your fourth,
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which could have been Bucky Irvy, who's got a bright
future in Tampa Bay. This was this room was a miss,
big time, big time miss. And as much as they
wanted to invest in Dak Prescott, you look at Dak
Prescott's best year, you look at Tony Romo's best year
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happened when he had a run game, a good god
a run game and a good offensive line, and you
don't have that, and they gotta fix that, man, they
have to fix that. I'm not for taking Ashton Genty
in the first round from Boise State. I'm just not
good running back. But I don't think he's a Brahma bull.
When I think if you just will take somebody in
the first round, I need it. I need the Ezekiel
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Elliott image. I need a bull, need Brahma bull. Three
down guy. Don't need nobody else with boom. It's him,
he him. That's not what what Ashton gent is not
not at his best in my opinion, And you talk people,
I talk, and then what what skip? Pet was so
ahead of the curve in this when you when you
talk about coaching, he when we used to sit down
and talk, you know, when I was playing, he used
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to always tell me, you got your lead dog, but
you always gotta have that kind of mixture of backs.
And when you look at you know, teams this year
outside of you know Sequon, who even has a great
you know backup in Kenneth game. Well you look at
all these you know, big time rant teams. They always
got the one two comma. You know, Detroit got the
Sonic and Knuckles.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Even in Derrick Henry Justice Hill is a good change
of pace out there. Tampa Bay were skipped pizza. Now, man,
they got trio of backs out there that can all
give you a thousand yards and that keeps.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
That that run game fresh. So I mean, it's just
wild that he was, you know, let go here because
he was so ahead of the curve.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
And you think about every running back that was underneath
him always had kind of a career year, whether it
was out of the backfield, receiving, running the combo to
two man, he was such a hell of a coach
and he was so ahead of his curve, man that
the NFL is a copycat league. And at some point
when everybody started saying, well, you know, you don't need
a running back, and you're starting to see Kansas City
win with guys you know, maybe.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
But what happens when you get to the playoffs. Nobody
mentions when you get to the playoff of what Kansas
City was doing with those just guys. Andy Reid was
exposing teams in the running game, and that's now. But
check on one hunt, come on, that's that's what I'm
pointing now. And you're a first rounder on Clyde Edwards.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
And he knows how. And he's going to the Hall
of Fame for a reason, going to Hall of Fame
for the reason. But hey, look you you you got
rid of Skip Peete, Mike McCarthy, you got rid of
Skip Peek, and you did not improve the position. You
hired a buddy. You hired your buddy who was the
assistant O line coach who never played, who never played
the position. Uh, you know, at the level of Skip
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p had played just and even just coaching Watse, Skip
was better like the professor. Okay, this professor was better
than that professor here and the running backs have complained
about they have complained. And if Mike is allowed to
come back Jerry Amen, that guy. No, if you want
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your friends to stay, put him someplace else. It's kind
of like what they did with Judd Garrett. Wow, come on, man.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Here to Jay.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
I know, I know, I mean friends, and we're gonna
hire the next thing in the scouting department somewhere.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
But can't say this.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Mike McCarthy has been willing to make changes. He has
been willing to make change.
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What if I three the fan. Jerry Jones had his
show today, Jerry Jones Show. Sea Sharief and Bobby Belt
did their best to ask Jerry about bringing Mike McCarthy back.
Mike wanted to be noncommittal. I don't get this. I
don't get this. Say on one hand he's done a
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good job and you like this, that and the other
then you say you don't want to say something either way. Look,
Miam mccart's free agent chgo.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
He will have some suitors.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I really think New Orleans could be a good spot
for him from the standpoint used to coach down there.
They've got got talent, got some quarterback needs. Issues to
places where where car can get better, and you got
to sprints of rattler I think can be developed. I
think he could work well with Gail Been to the
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Mickey Loomis. That's just my opinion. So I think Mike.
I think Mike McCarthy will be coaching in the National
Football League, whether it's for in twenty twenty five, don't
know whether it's for the Cowboys, but I think he
will be coaching somewhere. Just my opinion. Twelfth all time
and wins. I mean this is a guy who is
a proven winner in this league, who's won a Super Bowl.
And if it's not good enough for Jerry, Lord knows
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he's better than what he was, better than Dennis Allen
over show, better than coach flues your boy there. I
wanted better for my boy decisions some self afflicted woulds. Yeah,
so you know Mike could could improve there, But heck,
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where are you standing right now? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:08):
When I think about it, really, Mike McCarthy from that
twenty twenty class of coaching hires, it's him and Kevin
Stefanski that are still coaching. And you look at both
of their records. I mean, Kevin Stefanski doesn't have a
better record than Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy's forty nine to
thirty four and it's time here at the Cowboys. But
you don't hear anybody talking about Kevin Stefanski. And maybe
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they're whispers, but it ain't. The drum beat ain't as
loud as it is here in Dallas. I think the
one thing right he did, and I think three twelve
and five seasons didn't earn him a Coach of the
Year award. Kevin Stefanski only won one playoff victory. Does
a sound familiar? I mean, I'm just I'm just going
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down this rabbit hole of what we when we do
a comparison of all these coaches together in the brain
trust of who's a genius in who's not. I just
I think Mike has been solid and what he's having
a bad year. Nobody's gonna give him an excuse for
the injuries or any of that. But I just come
back to what I've been hearing all season. What bothered
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me about the interview was when he was when when
Jerry was asked, did that impact your team in any
way him coming into the season on a one year deal?
And and he didn't think that it did. And I
was like, how could it not have How could it
not have impacted your star players? How could it not
have impacted your rook any of the guys that are
just looking for that synergy and normalcy in the NFL,
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which you guys talk about all the time, the routine
of the NFL, and maybe you can ignore the press, Clippers,
maybe you can ignore social media and all of that,
but it's all around you. Now you know, is he
gonna be? And this I think, when did that start.
It started in training camp. Mike is coaching for his job,
and when is it gonna start the clock the countdown
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to Mike? I mean, and people almost like after one
the Detroit game is might gonna be back, you know,
a forty five minute delay to the podium, like, oh
my god, is it today? You know today it's to
day to day here, And I mean, wait, you know
it's it's stuff like that that I think really kind
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of throws me off.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
But when look is he staying? Is he going?
Speaker 4 (26:22):
That's been the roller coaster that we've enjoyed here all
the way going through this season. Look, man, he got
three more days, no matter what, he has three more
days Sunday at about three o'clock. Man, he's going to
be a free man. The decision is ultimately gonna be
on him. What he's gonna do. What I like for
Mike to come back and finish the job and get
this team. I really would, I really would. I've already
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I've gone on the record. I've said it. I think
he got a bad rap this year, and I think
I thought he's got a bad rap all along.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Will that happened?
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
I really am at a place where I can't solidly
say oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he'd be back. You know
I haven't, right, I am, I am, And you know
we talked about it. Was it last week or a
week ago? You know, I've changed my tune as well.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
You know, I've dived into the keeping keeping big mic
around because coming from a player standpoint, like you said,
it's it's hard to kind of drown out all the
outside no, especially now when you see it on all
the shows and social media and you're thinking to yourself, Man,
is this you know, coaches last goal around and if
he's gone, they're not gone with him? Are they gonna
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bring me back? Like you know, especially if you're you're
a draft pick of Mike McCarthy. That all comes in
into it as well. So you're thinking about a whole
bunch of different things. But to me, when I look
at it, you gotta look at what the players want.
At the end of the day, I understand you don't.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
We don't want to do that.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Look to the Raiders want Antonio periods. That's true, that's true.
But I feel like the Cowboys in a different situation
than the Raiders. They got their franchise quarterback they got
the pieces. They just had a little bit of injury
issues to this year, I give him that they had
some injury. You lost Micael for a couple of games,
Dak was out of there, CD was injured. You know,
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you had a lot of injuries. So I understand from
that standpoint that they did want Antonio Pierce back and
it didn't go as well as you know, the players
thought that it would go in that situation.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
But when you look at McCarthy in his situation, what he's.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Been able to do, losing Dak Prescott multiple seasons, still
being able to ride this ship and give this team
an opportunity with Cooper Rush out the hell all right,
and not only that a couple years ago when he
was able to do it, but this year Cooper Rush went.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Out a lot of the pieces.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
They were still in contention, they still had winning streets
up until that Cincinnati game and it kind of kind
of fumbled from there.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
But you gotta see what these players are doing on
the football field.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
You know, they say a lot of stuff in the
media and all this, that and the third, but what
what do they produce on the football field. You know,
I'm with it because I see what the players want
and what they respond. He has never lost the locker room,
and it could have been gone Jayne Garrett never lost
the locker room, by the.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Way, that could tell I know a man that could
tell us.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
Okay, but you never lost all right, so we're not Gary,
I'm sorry, Macarthy never lost it. When we come back professional,
I'm gonna tell you why you need to think again.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Oh man, switched up owners.
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two are both saying, Mike mccarth that come on back
today on Jerry Jones radio show on one to five
three the Fan, he's noncommittal. I go back to two things.
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One nineteen eighty nine, when Jerry Jones bought this team
was forty seven years old. Jerry Jones upset every Cowboy
fan and the NFL establishment by firing Tom Landry and
going and hiring Jimmy Johnson from the University of Mine.
As bold a move as it gets. Right there, He's Gammy,
don't make no money. That is facts, and Jimmy won
two championships, won the first one within four years, setting
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up the team of the nineteen nineties. He won the
championship since Barry Switzer held up that Trophy. Basically with
all the players that Jimmy brought in here still had
to coach. Yes, yes he did, because there's plenty of
people who got talent and couldn't coach it up. So
I always give Barry his credit for getting it done
and doing that part. That was bold, Jerry.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
It was.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Now go back to when they didn't draft Johnny Manziel.
Remember what he told Steven said that was by taking
that Martin. That was a layup. I didn't buy the
Dallas Cowboys come by laying up Bowld taking shots you
bring back Mike mccarthury're laying up. This is not bold, Jerry.
This is eighty one year old, Jerry, Is it not
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eighty two? That's what this is now. This is If
Jerry does that, that's status quo. Okay, just one more try, Jerry,
like you did after the Packer game. People thought about
making a move. You didn't make a move. When there's
Bill Belichick sitting out, here's Jim hardballt saying it was
even your opportunity to hire Dan Quinn if you wanted
to bowl. Jerry didn't act. It's okay, Jerry. Danny McCrae
(34:53):
hit me this weekend.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Man, I thought you.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
I wanted to ask you who the player was that
hits you with me because I didn't want that player
to be anonymous, say thank you, wanted the may He.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Had to pull out. Man Paul basically said, Brian brought us.
I get Brian broughtus former cowboy scout where he said, hey, man,
sure job, there is a general. Maner's job to go
find go find the answer. That's your job. Have a list,
and Danny hit me with Packers, Eagles, Lions, Houston, Rams, Washington, Bucks, Vikings,
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Chargers all found answers. Not hard to take a chance.
When I look at the Eagles, I can't stand Nicks here.
I just don't like that dude. But he's been to
the playoffs all four years. He's been there, he's been
to a super Bowl. They fired Doug Peterson, who won
them their only super Bowl. They decided, hey, Dougie, appreciate it,
(35:56):
but we're gonna do something different. They didn't let him
hang on for ten years. Thank you. The Packers fired
Mike McCarthy Matt LeFleur. While he hasn't taken him to
a super Bowl, he's been in a conversation Matt is
a good football. Oh as we witnessed when he came
in here in January and whooped that trick.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Don't do not.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
More than two dollars today?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
He look.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Hazing the Lions. Okay, the Lions went and hired Dan Campbell.
I'll be the first take too. I saw that, prest like,
come on, I was with you on that. What were
we talking about?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Caps?
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Stan Campbell has been a different They went differently. Houston
brought it to me. Ko Ryans. Remember they had Lovey
Smith fired after year. They had the other light skinned
brother that came remembers they call well they had him
like two seconds. He got the games and boy walked
out for three four years. He ain't coached Alyxi. He
needs I'm retired, done so, but you know they they
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did it. Okay to Miko. First year takes the play
the Rams. Remember they high thirty four year old Sean McVay.
I'll say it again, what are they doing? What are
we doing? Sean McVay has got this team. They're about
to win the division with all kinds of salary. He's
won a super Bowl in Washington, d Q. They're the playoffs.
The Buccaneers, Hi Todd Bowles. A lot of people about
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Todd Bowles could make the playoffs. Again, he's shown you
that he is a dang good football coach. The Vikings
Kevin O'Connor once again, I raised my head, what are
you doing? He wouldn't call any players with the Rams.
He was just there with McVay KAO see it good?
Ain't good? They got Sam donald out there, got Sam
Donalds out here. They might win the division this weekend.
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And then the Chargers Jim Harbaugh culture changers payoffs. So
when we look here, we talk about just running it
back with Mike mccarchthy other people who've gone on. Your
job is to figure it out. I remember the last
contract that Jerry gave Tony Romo. Jerry's basically saying, hey,
look yeah, we're gonna sign Tony on the other option.
You have to do it. I'm like, nah, man, it's
your job to go find a quarterback. They did find
(38:15):
a quarterback in Dak Prescott. So should we just be
laying up, gentlemen, or should you just sit around here
say hey, other people are finding answers. Are we going
to get eighty one year old Jerry? I'm okay, let's
try it again or do I go get forty seven
year old bowl Jerry, I agree with it, And then
(38:37):
I also look back and I say, outside of you know,
the Eagles with Doug Peterson, and there may be some
other ones that I can't think of, but I feel like.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Those teams were were very, very bad.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Like they were like it wasn't like they had three
straight twelve and five seasons like McCarthy's had. Now I
could be wrong about that, but and I just think
it with that much success and what he's been able
to do with these injuries going on, like the way
he had these kept his team and contention, I think
that's extremely tough to just that's going in a different direction.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
That's a lot of success that he's had.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Your boy with the Chargers had a lot of talent.
People are like, hey man, this is and Jim harboum
ma any difference. That was a bad coach though, but
they remember the time was it was he and besides
you and they both made the playoffs. I mean he
he had Okay, there were people who thought the team
had had talent whatnot and okay, so that but Doug
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Peterson was super Bowl coach. Even the clock ran out
on him. Where the man we're just we're gonna go
do something different.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
There's the there's the philosophy, no risk it, no biscuit.
My man came up with that. Yeah, and Tampa, I
think when you're hiring a coach, that's that's risky business
for these NFL owners and they want a guy that
how very many they bring in. They want to find
out with these guys football fundamental beliefs are And if
(40:03):
you look at it like investment investing in companies, you
got to do a technical analysis. How solid is the company?
I mean stocks there, I mean how big is the company, directors,
all of those different things that you before you invest
your money in it. And if you are a young investor,
you'll go for a pink sheet stock. I can lose
my money game up whatever. But as you get older,
that don't appeal to you. People with money ain't gonna
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throw away no money on a penny stock. They're gonna
go to something that's more established. You look around the
NFL and with all those names that you're talking about,
who's winning super Bowls, it's the established coach, It's the
Andy Reid, it's the guy that's been there done that,
saw that a thousand times over. That a guy that
has a system in place. And so look, I'll give
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you for every Sean McVay, you know, foreverly, Tomlin, for
every coach that's out there that has gotten an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
There are also the patents of the world. There are
so many coach just to me that I just feel
like right.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Now to throw away a good one or to say
I don't have anything in this guy, in this system
that he's running, I think that's a mistake.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
You had that opportunity and you passed on it last
year with Belichick. Belichick, Harball, even if he wanted to
go ahead after twelve or five seasons bringing Sean Payton.
Peyton would have taken a job. It was out there
and available.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
But even you said that those coaches right there, they
may not be the guys that can come in here
in Dallas and deal with the front office.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Right, You're right, But at the same time, heck, what
I'm just saying nothing, think again, hold side of my
mass thinking again, maybe my belief in do it again,
run it back. This year proved that I was wrong.
Maybe five years that's half a decade. Ye, five years
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Doug Peterson where Philly was like, they didn't give him
five eight years after we'd super Bowl. The man, thank you,
and then what they do got back to super Bowl. Man,
let's go ahead change some things here and do something different.
Remember where the Lions were when they got Dann Campbell. Man,
that thing was bad between so you can find it.
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So why we say, man, get somebody stade. We're seeing
some folks who necessarily Jimmy Johnson was not established. Man,
you too young, but bore. Remember man, what they doing
is hit from Arkansas. This guy a college coach. You
can't run that system here. You got big people in
the East, Philly and Washington, the Giants, and you try
to win with these little dudes and speed and man,
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they changed the game. Old Jerry changed the game. Wild
Cat Jerry Glory. Hold Jerry change the game. Now you're
telling me, hey, man, you're gonna be safe. You're being safe.
Scared money, don't make no money. You just trying to
protect what you got. But what do you really have
because you haven't won anything in thirty years.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
It's dumb money, that's smart money. And I'm telling you,
I think my belief is Mike McCarthy. As you talk
to you said, thirteenth or twelfth winning this coach amongst
the street.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
I mean, that's to me, that's smart money. That's smart money.
You know, you know he passed by the way. Who
was tied with right before?
Speaker 10 (43:17):
What?
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Sean Paynton?
Speaker 3 (43:18):
No, who, Jeff Fisher?
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Oh god, damn that board right right.
Speaker 5 (43:29):
God.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
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This is the Players Lounge, broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys
World headquarters at the Star. Now your hosts Barry Church,
Hecma Harrison, and Newie Scruggs.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yo, top of the Players Lounge. The final week of
the regular season, the final week the Cowboys is there?
They're done? After this week? Is they get ready to
face the Washington Common? Is Dallas week? Up there?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Dallas?
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Are they gonna play?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Are they gonna play Daniels in the book because they clitched?
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Heck Harrison is here, former Cowboys safety Barry Church, Newie Scrugs,
So yeah, man, woof, I'll find out what they're gonna do.
But what if the Cowboy's gonna do Jerry Jones on
his rail? Sure they would not commit about what what
happened with Trey Lance a quarterback. For me, that's frustrating.
I don't know about you. That's frustrating to me because
(01:14):
there's nothing left to play for now. You've got one
game left and the bulk of what we've seen from
Trey Lance is the preseason. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
When do we get to the point where we just
be real with ourselves and say that that was a mistake.
I mean, whether it was a bargainingship for negotiations with
Dak or not, you traded a fourth form. They brought
him in, they got an opportunity to see what he had,
and at the end of the conclusion of that was
this guy can't help us. Dak's been gone for a
(01:48):
very long time now, And if there was gonna be
a trey Lance opportunity, you would have thought, in between
Mike trying to save himself and everything else, if there
was anything there, you would.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Have seen some trey Lance by now. I mean, am
I It just helped me, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
I don't want to be under the illusion that they're
saving him for something.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Just disillusioned by the whole thing. I mean, I mean,
you think about it. Mingos had more opportunity, Mingo, that's facts, Mingo.
Mingo has been out there. Who he got playing? Who
had that in a losing season? I mean, you're seventy nine.
Jeff Fisher will say that's seventy nine. You know on
(02:38):
that seventy nine got no chance, And and we don't know.
This dude is still you know, it's like the unwrapped
Christmas get sitting there. We're gonna do something with it.
I mean, I don't I don't understand in this day
and age of roster acquisition and trying to take peaks
and looking at people to play the man. But Jerry
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didn't want to say anything it, which is amazing. Didn't
want to get away a game play. That's wow to
me because you basically traded a fourth rounder, you know,
for a practice squad player. Because if we looking at
it and we keep it in a being like we
always do on this show, you know, the most reps
Trey Lance has been having is just being a scout team.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Quarterback throwing up preseason.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
And I'm with you on this newie. Like we we
saw what we got from Cooper Rush. We understand what
we got from Cooper Rush. Solid quarterback can be the
bus driver when he got a full you know, arsenal
people around him. He could be that good backup in
a pinch, right in an emergency. So we know what
we got from Cooper Rush. Why not just you got
nothing to lose, Just throw Rush out there, not Rush
(03:43):
Lance out there, and see what he can provide. You
may like what you see when he has, you know,
an officive line and some guys out there, and he's
not playing with threes and fours like we saw in
the preseason. So to me, I'm with you, Newie, just
just throw the man. You have nothing zero zero to lose.
Not gonna lose the locker room by putting him out there.
This is the last game of the season, you know
what I'm saying. So just go out there and see
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what he has and maybe, just maybe you get a
glimpse of Oh man, this dude can can do a
little something. Mike at the very least. Mike has talked
numerous times in his postgame press his press conference is
about he just needs to play. Yeah, I played a
lot of football, Okay, So if he hasn't played a
lot of football and you're on that seventy nine, boo,
(04:25):
not the job. Play him, get him getting some reps. Now.
I don't want to sound blasphemous when I say this
or say that he's at this level at all, but
if it's one thing we've learned last year and even
something this year, Sometimes teams make mistakes and quarterbacks can
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develop over time, Sam Donald, Baker Mayfield. I'm not saying
he's even gonna be that because Sam Donald was, you know,
he played with the Jets, and Baker Mayfield played when
he was in Cleveland. This young man hasn't played. I'm
just trying to understand, what are we doing? Yeah? Maybe
heck ma, that's the whole thing. What are we doing?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
When you make a mistake, man, sometimes it's just better
to cut bait. And maybe it was a mistake. I mean,
just from a business perspective, I don't even look at
it as football. Look, I have to renegotiate a contract.
So what do I do I bring in a guy's
that bargainship against this contract that I'm negotiating. It didn't
go the way that you thought it was going to
go because you ended up paying Dak. You change the
(05:28):
market at the quarterback position. You get him back here
and there's a battle between him and him and Cooper Rush,
and you see that Cooper Rush's leaps and bounds better
than him. You go through the season and just to
what you're saying, Barry, I think they've already had that.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
They've already given.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Him that opportunity out here they've already seen it, you know,
we've said it a practice and watched and seen the
reps that they've been giving him. They obviously don't feel
comfortable with going into a game with him at the
Helmets quarterback. And if they don't feel that, where and
if you made a mistake, okay, what I'm not okay
with is doubling down on a mistake, you know, training
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another fourth round pick for a guy that that hadn't
come in and had any production for you. That's what
That's what my problem is, because you need that fourth
this year with all the with everything that there is.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
You saw, we all saw where this was going. This
was a tic. You saw this thing was going that
seventy nine bo Yeah, and you gave away for me.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
You know you needed that form.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
So why is he talking about due he needs to play?
What's to disconnect that? Because he's like, look, man, this
man just needs some reps. So obviously the head coach
is like, look I want to get him out there. Well,
the head coach is trying to win some games. That's true, okay,
trying to win games. And if whether or not he
was coaching for Jerry coaching to go coach somewhere else
(06:49):
that that's fine. Now we're at the end. We know
he's over.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
Time.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
You got to go home. But you gotta get.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Seasons, ashes to ashes, dust to dust, believe it. So,
so put the boy out there a little. But it
was forty one and seven. Why wasn't he playing major
minutes something? Okay, you out here watching Tanner from the
other team. Tanner out here tagging people. Yet he was
twenty five, dotted him up three or four. Let's looking like, hey, Rod,
(07:26):
back in the day, he did look like previntage Romo.
He did. He got people like me, accurate bat shoulders
and all, oh my god, like gosh making stop their
string should.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
So, so why isn't Trey playing. We're gonna watch Cooper
come out here and do that. Frustrated frustrating because there's
how much frustrating here and all this abou rico down.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Man, I thought I was joking when y'all said that.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I said, back home, I mean, you know, capit. Do
we read the cowboy Twitter d in the name all
of the one thousand yards, the first cowboy and drafted
free agent to get that, God, thank you. Then you
go fumble.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, some cookies, man, And I don't.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Want to sound too disrespectful because I'm part of the
undrafted crew as well, and you know his accomplishments coming
from undrafted all that, because I get all that. But
when we look at the tape, the eye in the
sky doesn't lie. No, we've all seen it. And given
the opportunities that he's had, he's made the most of
his opportunities. But let's not fool ourselves here, man, we
(08:37):
goo dawdle it. With all due respect, is not a
special running back. He's not a game changer. He's not
a guy that when you go into those pregame meetings
and you know, Monday Tuesday looking at fielm He's not
a guy that the coaches are circling saying, hey man,
we got to know where number twenty three.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Is at all times.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
He's just not that guy. He's a good maybe chaine
of pace or if your man guys needs a breather,
he can go in there and keep the ship afloat,
but he's not a difference maker when it comes to
the offensive side of the football.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And it's to me, I hate saying this because it's
one of one of your sayings and he's.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
A JAG's just a god at the running back position,
and he's had a heck of a year for where
he was where he was drafting orders. I get all that,
but when you're looking at tape, you know, guys ain't
sitting there saying.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Man, we don't stop reco it's a rap.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Oh my goodness. He's just not what you need.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Offensively, and you need more pop out of the backfield.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
So when y'all, you know, got that question to chat,
I'm like, oh, man, he's a free agents and you
know I'm Steven and coming.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Let him go be free, Let's see what Let's see
what the market is for him. But barbaris, he's had
four games of one hundred yards and that's what you're
talking about. I think when you put your turn on
the tape and you look this, I mean, I know,
from the beginning of the season you can give excuses
for those rookies on the offensive line and maybe not
the balance that you wanted offensively, but he gave you.
(10:09):
I think in watching Rico, you're like, wait a minute, man.
You know I'm watching other running backs and I know
the position. Well, you're just not that guy that I
think is intimidating as you were talking about to other
teams that hey, we got to scheme up for this
dude to come in this game because the Cowboys got
a running back back and bust for one hundred and
fifty hundred and seventy.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Change the game, and that's what we were needing.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
I think when you let Tony Pollard go, it's been
this thought process over the running back room or in
general all over the NFL that you could plug and
play anybody, throw him in there, right, And I think
that philosophy came that that went bad fast, That did
not age well, right, because now you're seeing guys like Saquon.
(10:52):
Now you're seeing guys like dere Herry, you're seeing Jacobs,
You're seeing all these teams that have short up their
running back room, and oh, by the way, they are
headed into the playoffs with you know what I'm saying,
you have something to lean on when you watch a
when you watch a Detroit. Last night, I'm watching Detroit
and I'm like, man, damn, they lost their other guy.
(11:14):
But Gibbs, I got a guy, right, They got another
guy right behind him. And we're in a situation right now.
I mean even if you think about the thousand yards
that he's gone for. Heck, if we lost him, think
about where the season would have gone. And I do
believe he was inactive for one game this season.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Correct. I want to say so yeah, was brought up.
I want to say absolutely, so.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah, yeah, they.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
Cut his dreads, Dreds came back. So it's been one
of those kind of years, bro.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
So it's been one of those.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Now I'm gonna throw this out now, I say this,
I'm gonna throw this out here. That's right, I'm just
gonna throw this out here in the fairness world, Okay,
fair fairness. Rico Dalal is tied for thirteenth and rushing
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with Najie Harris Pittsburgh, former Pittsburgh Steeler, a former first
round pick for Steelers one thousand and seven yards. They
both have at twelve with one thousand and seventeen yards
is ten more yards Tony Pollard sound by right, both
(12:37):
have played fifteen games, and ahead of them all right
now is Bucky Irving one thousand and thirty three yards
and Bucky, of course is the guy that they could
have taken in the fourth round but they did not.
Bucky Irving with seven touchdowns, Tony Pollard with five touchdowns,
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Rico Dada with one touchdown, Naji Harris with five touchdowns.
And the numbers that Rico have are more than Joe Mixon,
more than Jared Cook, more than Alvin Kamara. So just
just throwing more than Breese Hall of the Jets. So
just throwing it out there, more than Brian Robinson of
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Washington who's only playing I would say thirteen games, Yes,
played thirteen, but I would still take every single one
of those backs, especially single one of those backs. I
would take over a young Rico Daddle.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
It's funny, man, you say Najia Harris because I'm watching
still a football. He's another one of those guys that's
just what what do you I mean? Come on, man,
bus yo, that's the whole go.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Yeah. Yeah. He just does a lot of dancing behind
the you know, it's.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
A lot of timid, a lot of d dancing back
then thirty.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
So that's like when I see that drives me crazy
when I watch a running back do that and and
Le'Veon Bell, God bless him wherever he is right now
getting knocked out some yeah. Right, But he was one
of those running backs that really used to frustrate me
the way like they call, Oh, he's such a patient
run I'm like, no, he's timmy tiptoeing.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
You know, he's being timmy. He's not in the hole.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
And you know, to finally see at this point in
the season that part of Rico's games, somebody got put
the bug in his ear and said, man, you gotta
stop doing that a running back coach. For you've been
pointing that out a lot, you know, and you've been
talking about that, and I think, look, regardless my grandmother's quote,
(14:39):
just can't make chickens out of chicken salad. No matter
how good of a coach you are, sometimes sometimes it
comes down to the talent that.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
You have in the room.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
I don't think they've improved the position since Skip Pete
left there, And you go look at Tempa Bay and
what Tampa Bay has done since Skip Pete got there
in that running back room. Coaching matters that room overall.
Jerry Jones missed on as the general manager. Bringing Ezekiel
Elliott back was a was a mistake. Even with the
(15:16):
rest of his camp. We westerned for the rest of
the year for the final push. No, no, that was bad.
The Dalvin Cook thing that was bad, the Hunter Lipkey
thoughts I had that was bad. The whole room just underwhelming.
And knowing that, Derrick Henry was like, had me pick me,
pick me, and you said no, you gave up your fourth,
(15:38):
which could have been Bucky Irvy, who's got a bright
future in Tampa Bay. This was this room was a miss,
big time, big time miss. And as much as they
wanted to invest in Dak Prescott, you look at Dak
Prescott's best year, you look at Tony Romo's best year
(16:00):
happened when he had a run game, a good god
a run game and a good offensive line, and you
don't have that, and they gotta fix that, man, they
have to fix that. I'm not for taking Ashton Genty
in the first round from Boise State. I'm just not
good running back. But I don't think he's a Brahma bull.
When I think if you just will take somebody in
the first round, I need it. I need the Ezekiel
(16:21):
Elliott image. I need a bull, need Brahma bull. Three
down guy. Don't need nobody else with boom. It's him,
he him. That's not what what Ashton gent is not
not at his best in my opinion, And you talk people,
I talk, and then what what skip? Pet was so
ahead of the curve in this when you when you
talk about coaching, he when we used to sit down
and talk, you know, when I was playing, he used
(16:41):
to always tell me, you got your lead dog, but
you always gotta have that kind of mixture of backs.
And when you look at you know, teams this year
outside of you know Sequon, who even has a great
you know backup in Kenneth game. Well you look at
all these you know, big time rant teams. They always
got the one two comma. You know, Detroit got the
Sonic and Knuckles.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Even in Derrick Henry Justice Hill is a good change
of pace out there. Tampa Bay were skipped pizza. Now, man,
they got trio of backs out there that can all
give you a thousand yards and that keeps.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
That that run game fresh. So I mean, it's just
wild that he was, you know, let go here because
he was so ahead of the curve.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
And you think about every running back that was underneath
him always had kind of a career year, whether it
was out of the backfield, receiving, running the combo to
two man, he was such a hell of a coach
and he was so ahead of his curve, man that
the NFL is a copycat league. And at some point
when everybody started saying, well, you know, you don't need
a running back, and you're starting to see Kansas City
win with guys you know, maybe.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
But what happens when you get to the playoffs. Nobody
mentions when you get to the playoff of what Kansas
City was doing with those just guys. Andy Reid was
exposing teams in the running game, and that's now. But
check on one hunt, come on, that's that's what I'm
pointing now. And you're a first rounder on Clyde Edwards.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
And he knows how. And he's going to the Hall
of Fame for a reason, going to Hall of Fame
for the reason. But hey, look you you you got
rid of Skip Peete, Mike McCarthy, you got rid of
Skip Peek, and you did not improve the position. You
hired a buddy. You hired your buddy who was the
assistant O line coach who never played, who never played
the position. Uh, you know, at the level of Skip
(18:22):
p had played just and even just coaching Watse, Skip
was better like the professor. Okay, this professor was better
than that professor here and the running backs have complained
about they have complained. And if Mike is allowed to
come back Jerry Amen, that guy. No, if you want
(18:44):
your friends to stay, put him someplace else. It's kind
of like what they did with Judd Garrett. Wow, come on, man.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Here to Jay.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
I know, I know, I mean friends, and we're gonna
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Speaker 2 (19:22):
But can't say this.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
Mike McCarthy has been willing to make changes. He has
been willing to make change.
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What if I three the fan. Jerry Jones had his
show today, Jerry Jones Show. Sea Sharief and Bobby Belt
did their best to ask Jerry about bringing Mike McCarthy back.
Mike wanted to be noncommittal. I don't get this. I
don't get this. Say on one hand he's done a
(22:47):
good job and you like this, that and the other
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Speaker 2 (22:55):
He will have some suitors.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I really think New Orleans could be a good spot
for him from the standpoint used to coach down there.
They've got got talent, got some quarterback needs. Issues to
places where where car can get better, and you got
to sprints of rattler I think can be developed. I
think he could work well with Gail Been to the
(23:18):
Mickey Loomis. That's just my opinion. So I think Mike.
I think Mike McCarthy will be coaching in the National
Football League, whether it's for in twenty twenty five, don't
know whether it's for the Cowboys, but I think he
will be coaching somewhere. Just my opinion. Twelfth all time
and wins. I mean this is a guy who is
a proven winner in this league, who's won a Super Bowl.
And if it's not good enough for Jerry, Lord knows
(23:40):
he's better than what he was, better than Dennis Allen
over show, better than coach flues your boy there. I
wanted better for my boy decisions some self afflicted woulds. Yeah,
so you know Mike could could improve there, But heck,
(24:04):
where are you standing right now? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:08):
When I think about it, really, Mike McCarthy from that
twenty twenty class of coaching hires, it's him and Kevin
Stefanski that are still coaching. And you look at both
of their records. I mean, Kevin Stefanski doesn't have a
better record than Mike McCarthy. Mike McCarthy's forty nine to
thirty four and it's time here at the Cowboys. But
you don't hear anybody talking about Kevin Stefanski. And maybe
(24:32):
they're whispers, but it ain't. The drum beat ain't as
loud as it is here in Dallas. I think the
one thing right he did, and I think three twelve
and five seasons didn't earn him a Coach of the
Year award. Kevin Stefanski only won one playoff victory. Does
a sound familiar? I mean, I'm just I'm just going
(24:53):
down this rabbit hole of what we when we do
a comparison of all these coaches together in the brain
trust of who's a genius in who's not. I just
I think Mike has been solid and what he's having
a bad year. Nobody's gonna give him an excuse for
the injuries or any of that. But I just come
back to what I've been hearing all season. What bothered
(25:14):
me about the interview was when he was when when
Jerry was asked, did that impact your team in any
way him coming into the season on a one year deal?
And and he didn't think that it did. And I
was like, how could it not have How could it
not have impacted your star players? How could it not
have impacted your rook any of the guys that are
just looking for that synergy and normalcy in the NFL,
(25:37):
which you guys talk about all the time, the routine
of the NFL, and maybe you can ignore the press, Clippers,
maybe you can ignore social media and all of that,
but it's all around you. Now you know, is he
gonna be? And this I think, when did that start.
It started in training camp. Mike is coaching for his job,
and when is it gonna start the clock the countdown
(25:57):
to Mike? I mean, and people almost like after one
the Detroit game is might gonna be back, you know,
a forty five minute delay to the podium, like, oh
my god, is it today? You know today it's to
day to day here, And I mean, wait, you know
it's it's stuff like that that I think really kind
(26:17):
of throws me off.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
But when look is he staying? Is he going?
Speaker 4 (26:22):
That's been the roller coaster that we've enjoyed here all
the way going through this season. Look, man, he got
three more days, no matter what, he has three more
days Sunday at about three o'clock. Man, he's going to
be a free man. The decision is ultimately gonna be
on him. What he's gonna do. What I like for
Mike to come back and finish the job and get
this team. I really would, I really would. I've already
(26:43):
I've gone on the record. I've said it. I think
he got a bad rap this year, and I think
I thought he's got a bad rap all along.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Will that happened?
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:52):
I really am at a place where I can't solidly
say oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he'd be back. You know
I haven't, right, I am, I am, And you know
we talked about it. Was it last week or a
week ago? You know, I've changed my tune as well.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
You know, I've dived into the keeping keeping big mic
around because coming from a player standpoint, like you said,
it's it's hard to kind of drown out all the
outside no, especially now when you see it on all
the shows and social media and you're thinking to yourself, Man,
is this you know, coaches last goal around and if
he's gone, they're not gone with him? Are they gonna
(27:26):
bring me back? Like you know, especially if you're you're
a draft pick of Mike McCarthy. That all comes in
into it as well. So you're thinking about a whole
bunch of different things. But to me, when I look
at it, you gotta look at what the players want.
At the end of the day, I understand you don't.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
We don't want to do that.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Look to the Raiders want Antonio periods. That's true, that's true.
But I feel like the Cowboys in a different situation
than the Raiders. They got their franchise quarterback they got
the pieces. They just had a little bit of injury
issues to this year, I give him that they had
some injury. You lost Micael for a couple of games,
Dak was out of there, CD was injured. You know,
(28:07):
you had a lot of injuries. So I understand from
that standpoint that they did want Antonio Pierce back and
it didn't go as well as you know, the players
thought that it would go in that situation.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
But when you look at McCarthy in his situation, what he's.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
Been able to do, losing Dak Prescott multiple seasons, still
being able to ride this ship and give this team
an opportunity with Cooper Rush out the hell all right,
and not only that a couple years ago when he
was able to do it, but this year Cooper Rush went.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Out a lot of the pieces.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
They were still in contention, they still had winning streets
up until that Cincinnati game and it kind of kind
of fumbled from there.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
But you gotta see what these players are doing on
the football field.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
You know, they say a lot of stuff in the
media and all this, that and the third, but what
what do they produce on the football field. You know,
I'm with it because I see what the players want
and what they respond. He has never lost the locker room,
and it could have been gone Jayne Garrett never lost
the locker room, by the.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Way, that could tell I know a man that could
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Speaker 3 (29:13):
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three the Fan, he's noncommittal. I go back to two things.
(33:21):
One nineteen eighty nine, when Jerry Jones bought this team
was forty seven years old. Jerry Jones upset every Cowboy
fan and the NFL establishment by firing Tom Landry and
going and hiring Jimmy Johnson from the University of Mine.
As bold a move as it gets. Right there, He's Gammy,
don't make no money. That is facts, and Jimmy won
two championships, won the first one within four years, setting
(33:44):
up the team of the nineteen nineties. He won the
championship since Barry Switzer held up that Trophy. Basically with
all the players that Jimmy brought in here still had
to coach. Yes, yes he did, because there's plenty of
people who got talent and couldn't coach it up. So
I always give Barry his credit for getting it done
and doing that part. That was bold, Jerry.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
It was.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Now go back to when they didn't draft Johnny Manziel.
Remember what he told Steven said that was by taking
that Martin. That was a layup. I didn't buy the
Dallas Cowboys come by laying up Bowld taking shots you
bring back Mike mccarthury're laying up. This is not bold, Jerry.
This is eighty one year old, Jerry, Is it not
(34:28):
eighty two? That's what this is now. This is If
Jerry does that, that's status quo. Okay, just one more try, Jerry,
like you did after the Packer game. People thought about
making a move. You didn't make a move. When there's
Bill Belichick sitting out, here's Jim hardballt saying it was
even your opportunity to hire Dan Quinn if you wanted
to bowl. Jerry didn't act. It's okay, Jerry. Danny McCrae
(34:53):
hit me this weekend.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Man, I thought you.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
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hits you with me because I didn't want that player
to be anonymous, say thank you, wanted the may He.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Had to pull out. Man Paul basically said, Brian brought us.
I get Brian broughtus former cowboy scout where he said, hey, man,
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(35:31):
Chargers all found answers. Not hard to take a chance.
When I look at the Eagles, I can't stand Nicks here.
I just don't like that dude. But he's been to
the playoffs all four years. He's been there, he's been
to a super Bowl. They fired Doug Peterson, who won
them their only super Bowl. They decided, hey, Dougie, appreciate it,
(35:56):
but we're gonna do something different. They didn't let him
hang on for ten years. Thank you. The Packers fired
Mike McCarthy Matt LeFleur. While he hasn't taken him to
a super Bowl, he's been in a conversation Matt is
a good football. Oh as we witnessed when he came
in here in January and whooped that trick.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Don't do not.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
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Speaker 2 (36:28):
He look.
Speaker 3 (36:31):
Hazing the Lions. Okay, the Lions went and hired Dan Campbell.
I'll be the first take too. I saw that, prest like,
come on, I was with you on that. What were
we talking about?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Caps?
Speaker 3 (36:41):
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out for three four years. He ain't coached Alyxi. He
needs I'm retired, done so, but you know they they
(37:05):
did it. Okay to Miko. First year takes the play
the Rams. Remember they high thirty four year old Sean McVay.
I'll say it again, what are they doing? What are
we doing? Sean McVay has got this team. They're about
to win the division with all kinds of salary. He's
won a super Bowl in Washington, d Q. They're the playoffs.
The Buccaneers, Hi Todd Bowles. A lot of people about
(37:28):
Todd Bowles could make the playoffs. Again, he's shown you
that he is a dang good football coach. The Vikings
Kevin O'Connor once again, I raised my head, what are
you doing? He wouldn't call any players with the Rams.
He was just there with McVay KAO see it good?
Ain't good? They got Sam donald out there, got Sam
Donalds out here. They might win the division this weekend.
(37:51):
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back with Mike mccarchthy other people who've gone on. Your
job is to figure it out. I remember the last
contract that Jerry gave Tony Romo. Jerry's basically saying, hey,
look yeah, we're gonna sign Tony on the other option.
You have to do it. I'm like, nah, man, it's
your job to go find a quarterback. They did find
(38:15):
a quarterback in Dak Prescott. So should we just be
laying up, gentlemen, or should you just sit around here
say hey, other people are finding answers. Are we going
to get eighty one year old Jerry? I'm okay, let's
try it again or do I go get forty seven
year old bowl Jerry, I agree with it, And then
(38:37):
I also look back and I say, outside of you know,
the Eagles with Doug Peterson, and there may be some
other ones that I can't think of, but I feel like.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Those teams were were very, very bad.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Like they were like it wasn't like they had three
straight twelve and five seasons like McCarthy's had. Now I
could be wrong about that, but and I just think
it with that much success and what he's been able
to do with these injuries going on, like the way
he had these kept his team and contention, I think
that's extremely tough to just that's going in a different direction.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
That's a lot of success that he's had.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
Your boy with the Chargers had a lot of talent.
People are like, hey man, this is and Jim harboum
ma any difference. That was a bad coach though, but
they remember the time was it was he and besides
you and they both made the playoffs. I mean he
he had Okay, there were people who thought the team
had had talent whatnot and okay, so that but Doug
(39:36):
Peterson was super Bowl coach. Even the clock ran out
on him. Where the man we're just we're gonna go
do something different.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
There's the there's the philosophy, no risk it, no biscuit.
My man came up with that. Yeah, and Tampa, I
think when you're hiring a coach, that's that's risky business
for these NFL owners and they want a guy that
how very many they bring in. They want to find
out with these guys football fundamental beliefs are And if
(40:03):
you look at it like investment investing in companies, you
got to do a technical analysis. How solid is the company?
I mean stocks there, I mean how big is the company, directors,
all of those different things that you before you invest
your money in it. And if you are a young investor,
you'll go for a pink sheet stock. I can lose
my money game up whatever. But as you get older,
that don't appeal to you. People with money ain't gonna
(40:25):
throw away no money on a penny stock. They're gonna
go to something that's more established. You look around the
NFL and with all those names that you're talking about,
who's winning super Bowls, it's the established coach, It's the
Andy Reid, it's the guy that's been there done that,
saw that a thousand times over. That a guy that
has a system in place. And so look, I'll give
(40:48):
you for every Sean McVay, you know, foreverly, Tomlin, for
every coach that's out there that has gotten an opportunity.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
There are also the patents of the world. There are
so many coach just to me that I just feel
like right.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
Now to throw away a good one or to say
I don't have anything in this guy, in this system
that he's running, I think that's a mistake.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
You had that opportunity and you passed on it last
year with Belichick. Belichick, Harball, even if he wanted to
go ahead after twelve or five seasons bringing Sean Payton.
Peyton would have taken a job. It was out there
and available.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
But even you said that those coaches right there, they
may not be the guys that can come in here
in Dallas and deal with the front office.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
Right, You're right, But at the same time, heck, what
I'm just saying nothing, think again, hold side of my
mass thinking again, maybe my belief in do it again,
run it back. This year proved that I was wrong.
Maybe five years that's half a decade. Ye, five years
(41:55):
Doug Peterson where Philly was like, they didn't give him
five eight years after we'd super Bowl. The man, thank you,
and then what they do got back to super Bowl. Man,
let's go ahead change some things here and do something different.
Remember where the Lions were when they got Dann Campbell. Man,
that thing was bad between so you can find it.
(42:17):
So why we say, man, get somebody stade. We're seeing
some folks who necessarily Jimmy Johnson was not established. Man,
you too young, but bore. Remember man, what they doing
is hit from Arkansas. This guy a college coach. You
can't run that system here. You got big people in
the East, Philly and Washington, the Giants, and you try
to win with these little dudes and speed and man,
(42:38):
they changed the game. Old Jerry changed the game. Wild
Cat Jerry Glory. Hold Jerry change the game. Now you're
telling me, hey, man, you're gonna be safe. You're being safe.
Scared money, don't make no money. You just trying to
protect what you got. But what do you really have
because you haven't won anything in thirty years.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
It's dumb money, that's smart money. And I'm telling you,
I think my belief is Mike McCarthy. As you talk
to you said, thirteenth or twelfth winning this coach amongst
the street.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
I mean, that's to me, that's smart money. That's smart money.
You know, you know he passed by the way. Who
was tied with right before?
Speaker 10 (43:17):
What?
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Sean Paynton?
Speaker 3 (43:18):
No, who, Jeff Fisher?
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Oh god, damn that board right right.
Speaker 5 (43:29):
God.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
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