November 6, 2025 • 24 mins
Welcome back to The Vikings Tailgate - Presented by Ticketmaster - The official ticket marketplace of the Minnesota Vikings. Cy Amundson and Chad Daniels are riding high off the win over Detroit. With Lamar Jackson and Derrick Henry coming to town, the guys are optimistically breaking down the weird Vikings historical stat when facing the Ravens, look back at the insane finish to the 2013 game, get excited about the future of the offensive line, and make their final predictions for Sunday's contest. All of this and more is in Episode 62 of The Vikings Tailgate - Presented by Ticketmaster - The official ticket marketplace of the Minnesota Vikings.
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Scoll Recket, Reckett, Come on Van.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I'm here, Hey everybody, Welcome back to another episode of
the Tailgate, brought to you by Ticketmaster. I am the
host of the show cy Onminton, and joining me is
the co host of the show, the Great Chad Daniels
and Chatty.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
D Hello, boy, oh boy.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
What a difference a week can make.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I'm gonna tell you. You know, we talk about it all
the time. We're not a review show, but I would
just like to spend the next half hour reviewing the
beauty of that last game. I know we can't, but yikes,
what a difference a week makes is completely completely true.
Got some people back, got some people that were replacing
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the people that we're out that are still making great plays.
I'm telling you it's looking up.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's looking up.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
And I talked to a lot of people last week
going into the Lions game that were basically on Armageddon
Wall Rush. The O'Connell run to this point has been
so successful and has you know, I don't know that
in the team's eyes they look at it this way,
but from a national media and a fan standpoint, they
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have overachieved kind of at every turn. I think when
they had that big year with Kirk, I don't think
anyone saw him doing that. When they lost Kirk and
they brought Dobs in and they were starting Mullins, I
don't think anyone saw him succeeding in any way. Yet
they had that crazy Atlanta game in a little run
when Darnald came here and JJ gets hurt. No one
sees that coming.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
So well, that's not true. I actually did see it coming.
But it's fine.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I think this was the first time that there was
the fan base was faced with it not going not
just the way they hoped it had but better than
the way they hoped it had. And man, I had
some friends on ledges and to come out and see
the team respond, it's almost like they played to prove
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all that worry wrong. And I know that's not how
it works, but like everything that people worried about or
complained to me got flipped.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
On its head in that last game.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, and that feels really good to walk forward from that.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I agree. I mean, I have a friend who is
a comedian that lives in Detroit, and we we made
a side bet on some promotional things and he goes,
all right, nine point five points is the spread, so
that's what you get, and I go. I looked him
right in the face, and I go, you keep those points.
I don't need them, not this week.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
So basically what you bet is it's like one of
those things where mayors are like, if we win, i'll
wear your jersey. But you guys bet promoting each other's
stand up material.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, our shows, promoting shows. When I go
to Detroit, now he has to promote for an entire
week stories on all his stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
And that is the guy who was on this show
last week. No, Zach Martin. Oh, it's not the great
Zach Martinez. Who else do we know that's a Detroit.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
For Well, this is actually so I say, from Detroit,
but actually from across the state in Grand Rapids. But
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna show.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Oh oh, I know who we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Okay, let's shift to the Ravens, right, and let me
give you Let's start this out with I think arguably
the weirdest stat in Viking history. I know that's dramatic.
I know you think I'm over the top, but let
me lay it down for you.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
You are.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Okay, the Vikings have played the Baltimore Ravens seven times. Okay,
they have won three of those games. In those three
seasons that they won those three games every single time
they went to the NFC Championship.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Interesting, they have lost four times.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
In the four seasons in which they lost those four times.
At the end of the year, the head coach was
relieved of its duties. Oh so every time we play
the Ravens, just historically, Yeah, we either go to the
NFC Championship or we fire our coach and Chad, can
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I tell you something?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Uh huh, God, damn, I don't see us f firing
last year's coach of the Year. So I think whatever
we felt.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Against the Lions, it feels good.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Pump pump, pump it up. I think we're going to
the moon.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I this is what we in the business call a trend,
and I would love to hop on this trend.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I've already hopped on the trend. I can't wait. I'll
see you guys at the NFC Championship game. I will
be there. Yeah, I'm excited to watch that game. I'm
excited to watch them win. I'm excited to watch them
continue to win. But the fact is so, Lamar Jackson
is back.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Lamar Jackson is back.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
He's very good, which which, by the way, I got
to tell you something. I feel like I feel like
I could be a GM because I when he got injured,
I said, you have to have a quarterback that can
move because this offense is based on a running quarterback.
It doesn't work for the quarterback to sit back in
the pocket. This particular offense. The first week they had
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a pocket passer, guy got murder murdered. Second week they
found somebody that could move. They win. So anyways, I'm
up for GM. No big deal.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Can I tell you something that I'm very competent in. Yeah,
I think you might be. Though you could, you would
probably be the worst GM in the history of professional sports.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
That's not true at all, because I Hey, you want
a GM that plays with his mind and not his heart, Well, nice, try, loser.
I'm in there every day making decisions based on my relationships,
based on my love of the game. I use my
brain zero percent of the time.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
You're leading with your heart. You're a GM that leads
with his heart.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Speaking of leading with a body part, Hey, you want
to tackle Derrick Henry, watch his belly button. He crops
his shirts. He makes it easy for you. I'm saying,
the body can't go where the belly button isn't going.
Quit trying to tackle people on their shoulders. Look at
their belly Button's.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
That's a football thing.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I had a coach that was a real Bobby Knight
type when I was younger.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Is throwing chairs, all right.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
The main thing that I took from him was he said,
watch the stomach. The body can't go anywhere without the stomach.
The stomach never lies.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
And actually what also happens is then the player that
you're guarding starts to freak out because they're like, hey,
why do you keep looking at my belly button? And
they're out of their game. Now. It's like a head game,
but it works. But all I'm saying is you can't
go high on Derrick Henry. He's gonna grab your helmet
and he's gonna push your face into the ground. You
gotta tackle his belly button.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
It'll be a really good test, and I think there
is something significantly leaning in our favor given what we
saw in the Lions game. But I want to come
back to that because I do you know, we do
a little bit of history on this show, and this
matchup also has one of my in addition to a crazy'stat,
one of my favorite history moments. I was at Hilarities
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in Cleveland, sure for a week of shows, the Great
Hilarities opening for the Great Jake Johansen's this pretty early
in my career, uh huh, And I sat at a
bar all by myself and watched the twenty thirteen Ravens
Vikings game and if you recall, we lost it. But
that was that absurd game where there was such horrible
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snow that the field crew had to plow the field
at halftime, and in the last like two minutes of
that game, everything goes nuts. Two minutes and seven seconds left,
Dennis Pitta scores a touchdown, the Ravens take the lead.
Then Boom, Vikings get the ball back. Two plays later,
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Blast from the Past Toby Gerhardt Toby gearharts forty.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
One yards for a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Ravens get the ball back, run the kickoff back for
a touchdown. They retake the lead. Then Corderyl Patterson scores
on a seventy nine yard touchdown pass for the Vikings.
They take the lead, and then Marlon Brown scores on
a nine yard touchdown with only nine seconds left. The
Ravens win probably And I don't I haven't seen every
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football game in the history of football.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I don't have that roll.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Of Dex like our friend Alex Schubert.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
But yeah, that has to be about the craziest two
minutes in the history of professional football. And it was
in the snow. Guys were sliding, guys were diving.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
That's what made those plays possible, is that in the snow,
once you get going forward, it is so hard because
nobody can catch you, because everybody's trying to cut and
make up ground on you. Now you say this is
the greatest professional game probably in the snow, I'm gonna
throw one little amateur at you. Nineteen ninety one Cleveland
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Elementary School field. I remember a Fritz Skinner going to
Sam Skinner for ninety nine yard touchdown, and then I
remember immediately Eric Johnson throwing a bomb to excuse me,
but yours truly in the snow, high stepping in my
sore l boots for the touchdown for the win.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Now, I'm not saying it was the greatest professional snow
game of all time. I think people get really mad
at me for that. I'm just saying it was the
most It's in the conversation for craziest two minutes.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Oh yeah, crazy is two minutes, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Before we go to break here and then come back
to talk about a little bit about Baltimore and about
the matchup. Can we just take a pause since he
came up in this memory for me and talk about
Cordero Patterson that game, he gets five receptions, one hundred
and forty one yards and a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I was thinking about him the other day.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
What an interesting, amazing career where most I think it
was tough to come to our team, a team that
we were the team of a mad Rashad and the
team of Chris Carter and the team of Randy Moss.
So you think of why receivers in a very specific way.
And he came into the league and not only was
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he not that type of guy, but he was so
before his time in terms of positionless football. It didn't
really catch the way it should have. I mean, he
goes on, he sets the NFL record for kick returns. Right,
he's like a four time All Pro. He wins, he
goes and he wins a Super Bowl with Bill Belichick,
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And you can't be dumb and play for Bill Belichick.
You gotta be a hell of a football player with
a big old football.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Brain, right of course.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
And then he has this amazing second act to his
career where he gets to Atlanta and they go, you're
a running back, and then everybody goes, oh, man, he's
so good at running back.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I just in retrospect, he's probably the most underdiscussed unique vite.
Him and Percy Harvin are kind of like the great
what ifs for me if they'd have been in a
different time period or gotten to do what they did
late early.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Patterson is the faith no More of football, right, Faith
no More? What is it? It's it. They were Limp
Biscuit before Limp Biscuit, but nobody knew where to put them,
and so they didn't get the notoriety that they should
have gotten. And then Limp Biscuit goes on with Fred
Durst to like smash its and you're like, from my generation,
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you go, this is a faith no More ripoff. And
so that's the same way I feel about Patterson. Sometimes
people get to the level they want to get to
just a little bit too early, and nobody knows where
to put them.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Imagine, yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Imagine if Cordero Patterson, if you handed him to Kyle
Shanahan the same year that Kyle Shanahan got Deebo Samuel. Sure,
You're like, oh, a giant Deebo Samuel, m hmm.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Huge.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Cordero heads on this show, chat Ny, we got to
talk about the game your faith football team. Man, coming
off a big win, and let me tell you coming
off the Lions win, Chad, I know I know very
little about professional football from.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
An understanding it standpoint.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
We discussed that pretty much every week but what I've
been told by people that I think are very smart
is the Lions play a lot of man coverage. Okay,
and JJ McCarthy, who, by the way, let's just let's
start right there and then I'll come back to this.
One of my favorite things about that Lions game and
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what I'm really looking forward to in this Ravens game.
And I know it sounds so simple, but because we
work for the team, Because I work for a team,
a lot of the people I talk to during the
game are in the building, right they're there, so they're
experiencing the game in this in person way and they
don't get to see it on TV. And I was
telling him just he just looked so competent and confident,
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like he looked in complete command of the hut. I'm
not saying there weren't mistakes, but you didn't see a
rattle behind his eyes.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
And they didn't get compounded. That's I think that's the
huge difference.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Well, and you didn't, like, you know, he's a really
good raw, raw guy, but you also didn't even really
see that during the game. You just saw a quarterback
who went out there, got the plays in, did what
he was supposed to do, had good moments, had some
not good moments, but really controlled the game as a
signal caller in this body language, confident way. And for
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me after the first two games like that put me
through the roof. I know that's simply simple and silly,
but it put me through the roof.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah, I think you can say simpy. People are gonna
know what that means.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
He simpy and silly.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Baby, I'm going to tell you what I loved. He
scores a touchdown right, gets into the end zone, and
then he breaks out the gritty because we got to
cramped up JJ on the sidelines. Just a little shout out.
I think that's good leadership. I think it's It looked
like while his ankle was being mended, it looked like
they just hooked him up to the matrix and uploaded
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him with everything, And it was so fun where you
as a Vikings fan to go. This was what my
brain was telling me. This is what we saw, this
is what we heard, this is what we know it
can be right. This is an entire game of the
fourth quarter of the Bears game. It's an entire wire to.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Wire and it felt like I'm not here to say
it was the greatest performance in the history of football.
But it felt like what I think a good rookie
quarterback should feel like, which is enticing.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Right, and we because you're never gonna be able to
put your finger on the greatest, the greatest performance in
football because that happened at the Cleveland Elementary School in
nineteen ninety one. Now I'm jacked up about it. I
think that this matchup you're talking about Manda Man with
the Lions, Ravens go man to.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Man, Ravens go Manda Man.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
So that's what I'm saying, Like, I mean, what's so
interesting to me is, you know, the Bears, per my
understanding disguise a lot of stuff on defense. Lions are
man demand JJ looks really comfortable. We get another man
to man get a little comfortable there and then and
we're only talking about the Ravens, but I want to
jump into the future a little bit. What a fun
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opportunity that is off in the distance where after the
Ravens it's the Bears, and you get to have this
side by side comparison of this guy, like here's what
happened Week one with this team. Now here's what it
looks like Week whatever with this team. And oh, by
the way, it's inarguable that the Bears are trending the
right direction. So it's an even harder version of what
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you saw earlier. And I think the Ravens, because of
what you said, present an opportunity to keep stepping in
the right direction. And as a fan base, after the
way everybody was feeling, man, that's the number one thing
that has me looking forward to this game.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, I mean, it's going to be an exciting game,
and I mean I'm already with my predictions.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Well I want to talk about everybody talks about JJ.
But the couple things that I think are important crazy
O line combinations right here. So everybody recognized now that
the on line is getting healthy for the most part
without Kelly, that they really looked the part. I thought
it was super interesting to get Aaron Jones back healthy.
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With the on line healthy, it's a good defensive line
for the Lions. And when the Vikings went, what if
we just ran it right into the teeth of what
you think you're good at and they're popping seven eight,
nine thirty one yards, very very fun.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Jordan Mason we all know is an unbelievable runner. Aaron
Jones is a different kind of runner. And when we
have two basically starting running backs that have different styles,
it is tough to keep an eye on all of it.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
And can I throw since we're in a positive mood,
can I throw something on the positive pile for you you.
I don't know what Pro Football Focus in their dumb
grading system says. I don't know what the guys on
Twitter who frees a picture and then tell you why
someone screwed up are saying. I don't know what anybody thinks.
But I think and I believe, Donovan Jackson isn't just
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like a stud in the making. This dude is a
super stud in the making. If he's as good as
I think he might be with Dari Sabin, as.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Good as he is.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Other man, all this talk about O line these last
few buckle up, buck If this dude looks as good
as I believe he looks, and keeps progressing in this way,
I think the O line is going to get like
for the first time since Stucy and Randall McDaniel and
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Corey String Like I'm talking ninety eight, two thousand and
nine with Lodhold and you know, all these guys Hutchinson
and McKinney.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
But I'm going even further than that.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I think this line has ninety eight potential and everybody's
gonna get mad at me and send me messages. But
I'm in love with Donovan Jackson's ball game, and I
think it's going the right direction on.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
This is what I'm talking about with everything is what
we thought at the beginning of the year. Right, we
got defensive guys coming back, we got a running back
coming back, we got a quarterback coming back. We got
our O line looking healthy and finally stepping up to
the potential. Oh heavens, this is what happens. I get
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jacked up.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Let's do the last one. Then let's do the last one.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Well, we're basically handing out midweek game balls, and but
they're not like performance game balls. They're just we're happy
to have you back, game balls. Thank you for being here.
Game balls, dude. Let's talk about the Gink. Yes, let's
talk about old Andy Van Gink.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
He is my he's my prediction, he's my player prediction.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I can't wait to hear it, and we'll do it
right off this. I think he is this unique combination
of like if Brian Flores could build a guy for
a role, he would build like he's like, that's the
exact guy. He's exactly what the coach needs for the
exact role. And then he's a very, very very skilled athlete.
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And then I just think his football brain operates at
a different level than everyone else.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
When you watch him, he's connecting the dots very quickly.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
You just can't knock down that many balls and not
be so incredibly football intelligent. You know, Hardgrave had a
good game. Cashman at a game. Eric Wilson was incredible.
But I think having that dude out there doing all
the right things and making all the right reads with
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all that athleticism, I think it just breathed this almost
leash into everybody else to let them shout out to
all the defense who came on and go so but
that is what I'm pumped about. We're coming against a
running quarterback, like seeing Van Ginkel get another week with
this defense. It's like you said, are we going to
get what we thought we were going to get quite
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a while ago? We are who we thought we are,
who we thought we are, chatty Daddy or I thought
we were.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Give me, let's do predictions.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Okay, we're doing game prediction. Yeah, we're doing player prediction,
and then we're doing Chad prediction because I believe is
this a home game?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
It is, and I believe you will be there.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
I will not, unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, but what so, here's what I love game prediction.
It's tough because Lamar Jackson is back, yes, and uh,
he just does turn the team into something different. Anytime
you have two running backs basically back there, but one
of them can throw the ball ninety yards, it does
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change things. And so unfortunately this week I have to
go Baltimore Ravens twenty four, Minnesota Vikings seven hundred and eighteen.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Okay, that's a little closer than I thought you would
have it. Yeah, I just don't I know he's back.
I've got Baltimore at seventeen. Okay, Vikings at one hundred
and twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, all right, who.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
You got for player?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Well, player, I'm going the Van gank. You're going ganky,
So I'm gonna I'm gonna break it down in a
little different way though. I'm gonna go, uh, three tackles
for loss and then I'm going either sack or pick.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Okay, one of the two, So a lot of a
lot of impact plays.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
He's going to be in the backfield. Yeah, yeah, he's
gonna be in the backfield quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I'm gonna go that.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I think I think we're on the verge of one
of those justin Jefferson moments.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
M hm, where we go, Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Did he just catch fifteen balls for one hundred and
ninety some yards and a few touchdowns?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I said a few? A few touchdowns. That's three, you see,
it's a few. And so that is what I'm going with.
What's your Chad prediction?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Chad prediction is you're not going to be able to
wear your Minnesota Frost stuff to this game. I understand
it's purple. I understand they've won the only two Cups
in professional women's hockey. You can't wear it this game
because the Ravens are also purple. So I'm predicting a
lot more Vikings wear at this game.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
And I'm going to predict that a lot of how
I behave on next week's program will ride on whether
or not the joy and emotions of what happened this
previous week can continue.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Am I teetering because of other stuff going on? In
my life. Maybe, Chad, maybe and I need Oh.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Hey, so I'm surprised they didn't put spoiler alert in
or something like that. Of course you're teetering. I've never
known you not to be teetering. What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I'm the Teeter King.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah, which, by the way, I've seen that movie and
it's different.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
So thank you to everybody for joining from the Teeter
King and his teeter Queen Chad Daniels. We hope you
guys have a great game and we will see you
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Speaker 2 (24:32):
That's going to do it for us. We will see
you next week.
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Scoll Recket, Reckett, Come on Van.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
I'm here, Hey everybody, Welcome back to another episode of
the Tailgate, brought to you by Ticketmaster. I am the
host of the show cy Onminton, and joining me is
the co host of the show, the Great Chad Daniels
and Chatty.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
D Hello, boy, oh boy.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
What a difference a week can make.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I'm gonna tell you. You know, we talk about it all
the time. We're not a review show, but I would
just like to spend the next half hour reviewing the
beauty of that last game. I know we can't, but yikes,
what a difference a week makes is completely completely true.
Got some people back, got some people that were replacing
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the people that we're out that are still making great plays.
I'm telling you it's looking up.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
It's looking up.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
And I talked to a lot of people last week
going into the Lions game that were basically on Armageddon
Wall Rush. The O'Connell run to this point has been
so successful and has you know, I don't know that
in the team's eyes they look at it this way,
but from a national media and a fan standpoint, they
(01:55):
have overachieved kind of at every turn. I think when
they had that big year with Kirk, I don't think
anyone saw him doing that. When they lost Kirk and
they brought Dobs in and they were starting Mullins, I
don't think anyone saw him succeeding in any way. Yet
they had that crazy Atlanta game in a little run
when Darnald came here and JJ gets hurt. No one
sees that coming.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
So well, that's not true. I actually did see it coming.
But it's fine.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
I think this was the first time that there was
the fan base was faced with it not going not
just the way they hoped it had but better than
the way they hoped it had. And man, I had
some friends on ledges and to come out and see
the team respond, it's almost like they played to prove
(02:42):
all that worry wrong. And I know that's not how
it works, but like everything that people worried about or
complained to me got flipped.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
On its head in that last game.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Yeah, and that feels really good to walk forward from that.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I agree. I mean, I have a friend who is
a comedian that lives in Detroit, and we we made
a side bet on some promotional things and he goes,
all right, nine point five points is the spread, so
that's what you get, and I go. I looked him
right in the face, and I go, you keep those points.
I don't need them, not this week.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
So basically what you bet is it's like one of
those things where mayors are like, if we win, i'll
wear your jersey. But you guys bet promoting each other's
stand up material.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, our shows, promoting shows. When I go
to Detroit, now he has to promote for an entire
week stories on all his stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
And that is the guy who was on this show
last week. No, Zach Martin. Oh, it's not the great
Zach Martinez. Who else do we know that's a Detroit.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
For Well, this is actually so I say, from Detroit,
but actually from across the state in Grand Rapids. But
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna show.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Oh oh, I know who we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
Okay, let's shift to the Ravens, right, and let me
give you Let's start this out with I think arguably
the weirdest stat in Viking history. I know that's dramatic.
I know you think I'm over the top, but let
me lay it down for you.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
You are.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Okay, the Vikings have played the Baltimore Ravens seven times. Okay,
they have won three of those games. In those three
seasons that they won those three games every single time
they went to the NFC Championship.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Interesting, they have lost four times.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
In the four seasons in which they lost those four times.
At the end of the year, the head coach was
relieved of its duties. Oh so every time we play
the Ravens, just historically, Yeah, we either go to the
NFC Championship or we fire our coach and Chad, can
(04:55):
I tell you something?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Uh huh, God, damn, I don't see us f firing
last year's coach of the Year. So I think whatever
we felt.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Against the Lions, it feels good.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Pump pump, pump it up. I think we're going to
the moon.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
I this is what we in the business call a trend,
and I would love to hop on this trend.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
I've already hopped on the trend. I can't wait. I'll
see you guys at the NFC Championship game. I will
be there. Yeah, I'm excited to watch that game. I'm
excited to watch them win. I'm excited to watch them
continue to win. But the fact is so, Lamar Jackson
is back.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Lamar Jackson is back.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
He's very good, which which, by the way, I got
to tell you something. I feel like I feel like
I could be a GM because I when he got injured,
I said, you have to have a quarterback that can
move because this offense is based on a running quarterback.
It doesn't work for the quarterback to sit back in
the pocket. This particular offense. The first week they had
(06:00):
a pocket passer, guy got murder murdered. Second week they
found somebody that could move. They win. So anyways, I'm
up for GM. No big deal.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Can I tell you something that I'm very competent in. Yeah,
I think you might be. Though you could, you would
probably be the worst GM in the history of professional sports.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
That's not true at all, because I Hey, you want
a GM that plays with his mind and not his heart, Well, nice, try, loser.
I'm in there every day making decisions based on my relationships,
based on my love of the game. I use my
brain zero percent of the time.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
You're leading with your heart. You're a GM that leads
with his heart.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Speaking of leading with a body part, Hey, you want
to tackle Derrick Henry, watch his belly button. He crops
his shirts. He makes it easy for you. I'm saying,
the body can't go where the belly button isn't going.
Quit trying to tackle people on their shoulders. Look at
their belly Button's.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
That's a football thing.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I had a coach that was a real Bobby Knight
type when I was younger.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
Is throwing chairs, all right.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
The main thing that I took from him was he said,
watch the stomach. The body can't go anywhere without the stomach.
The stomach never lies.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
And actually what also happens is then the player that
you're guarding starts to freak out because they're like, hey,
why do you keep looking at my belly button? And
they're out of their game. Now. It's like a head game,
but it works. But all I'm saying is you can't
go high on Derrick Henry. He's gonna grab your helmet
and he's gonna push your face into the ground. You
gotta tackle his belly button.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
It'll be a really good test, and I think there
is something significantly leaning in our favor given what we
saw in the Lions game. But I want to come
back to that because I do you know, we do
a little bit of history on this show, and this
matchup also has one of my in addition to a crazy'stat,
one of my favorite history moments. I was at Hilarities
(08:04):
in Cleveland, sure for a week of shows, the Great
Hilarities opening for the Great Jake Johansen's this pretty early
in my career, uh huh, And I sat at a
bar all by myself and watched the twenty thirteen Ravens
Vikings game and if you recall, we lost it. But
that was that absurd game where there was such horrible
(08:26):
snow that the field crew had to plow the field
at halftime, and in the last like two minutes of
that game, everything goes nuts. Two minutes and seven seconds left,
Dennis Pitta scores a touchdown, the Ravens take the lead.
Then Boom, Vikings get the ball back. Two plays later,
(08:48):
Blast from the Past Toby Gerhardt Toby gearharts forty.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
One yards for a touchdown.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Ravens get the ball back, run the kickoff back for
a touchdown. They retake the lead. Then Corderyl Patterson scores
on a seventy nine yard touchdown pass for the Vikings.
They take the lead, and then Marlon Brown scores on
a nine yard touchdown with only nine seconds left. The
Ravens win probably And I don't I haven't seen every
(09:16):
football game in the history of football.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
I don't have that roll.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Of Dex like our friend Alex Schubert.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
But yeah, that has to be about the craziest two
minutes in the history of professional football. And it was
in the snow. Guys were sliding, guys were diving.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
That's what made those plays possible, is that in the snow,
once you get going forward, it is so hard because
nobody can catch you, because everybody's trying to cut and
make up ground on you. Now you say this is
the greatest professional game probably in the snow, I'm gonna
throw one little amateur at you. Nineteen ninety one Cleveland
(09:51):
Elementary School field. I remember a Fritz Skinner going to
Sam Skinner for ninety nine yard touchdown, and then I
remember immediately Eric Johnson throwing a bomb to excuse me,
but yours truly in the snow, high stepping in my
sore l boots for the touchdown for the win.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Now, I'm not saying it was the greatest professional snow
game of all time. I think people get really mad
at me for that. I'm just saying it was the
most It's in the conversation for craziest two minutes.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Oh yeah, crazy is two minutes, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Before we go to break here and then come back
to talk about a little bit about Baltimore and about
the matchup. Can we just take a pause since he
came up in this memory for me and talk about
Cordero Patterson that game, he gets five receptions, one hundred
and forty one yards and a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I was thinking about him the other day.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
What an interesting, amazing career where most I think it
was tough to come to our team, a team that
we were the team of a mad Rashad and the
team of Chris Carter and the team of Randy Moss.
So you think of why receivers in a very specific way.
And he came into the league and not only was
(11:06):
he not that type of guy, but he was so
before his time in terms of positionless football. It didn't
really catch the way it should have. I mean, he
goes on, he sets the NFL record for kick returns. Right,
he's like a four time All Pro. He wins, he
goes and he wins a Super Bowl with Bill Belichick,
(11:26):
And you can't be dumb and play for Bill Belichick.
You gotta be a hell of a football player with
a big old football.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Brain, right of course.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
And then he has this amazing second act to his
career where he gets to Atlanta and they go, you're
a running back, and then everybody goes, oh, man, he's
so good at running back.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
I just in retrospect, he's probably the most underdiscussed unique vite.
Him and Percy Harvin are kind of like the great
what ifs for me if they'd have been in a
different time period or gotten to do what they did
late early.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Patterson is the faith no More of football, right, Faith
no More? What is it? It's it. They were Limp
Biscuit before Limp Biscuit, but nobody knew where to put them,
and so they didn't get the notoriety that they should
have gotten. And then Limp Biscuit goes on with Fred
Durst to like smash its and you're like, from my generation,
(12:23):
you go, this is a faith no More ripoff. And
so that's the same way I feel about Patterson. Sometimes
people get to the level they want to get to
just a little bit too early, and nobody knows where
to put them.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Imagine, yeah, that's a great point.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Imagine if Cordero Patterson, if you handed him to Kyle
Shanahan the same year that Kyle Shanahan got Deebo Samuel. Sure,
You're like, oh, a giant Deebo Samuel, m hmm.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Huge.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Cordero heads on this show, chat Ny, we got to
talk about the game your faith football team. Man, coming
off a big win, and let me tell you coming
off the Lions win, Chad, I know I know very
little about professional football from.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
An understanding it standpoint.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
We discussed that pretty much every week but what I've
been told by people that I think are very smart
is the Lions play a lot of man coverage. Okay,
and JJ McCarthy, who, by the way, let's just let's
start right there and then I'll come back to this.
One of my favorite things about that Lions game and
(13:34):
what I'm really looking forward to in this Ravens game.
And I know it sounds so simple, but because we
work for the team, Because I work for a team,
a lot of the people I talk to during the
game are in the building, right they're there, so they're
experiencing the game in this in person way and they
don't get to see it on TV. And I was
telling him just he just looked so competent and confident,
(13:57):
like he looked in complete command of the hut. I'm
not saying there weren't mistakes, but you didn't see a
rattle behind his eyes.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
And they didn't get compounded. That's I think that's the
huge difference.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Well, and you didn't, like, you know, he's a really
good raw, raw guy, but you also didn't even really
see that during the game. You just saw a quarterback
who went out there, got the plays in, did what
he was supposed to do, had good moments, had some
not good moments, but really controlled the game as a
signal caller in this body language, confident way. And for
(14:31):
me after the first two games like that put me
through the roof. I know that's simply simple and silly,
but it put me through the roof.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah, I think you can say simpy. People are gonna
know what that means.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
He simpy and silly.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Baby, I'm going to tell you what I loved. He
scores a touchdown right, gets into the end zone, and
then he breaks out the gritty because we got to
cramped up JJ on the sidelines. Just a little shout out.
I think that's good leadership. I think it's It looked
like while his ankle was being mended, it looked like
they just hooked him up to the matrix and uploaded
(15:02):
him with everything, And it was so fun where you
as a Vikings fan to go. This was what my
brain was telling me. This is what we saw, this
is what we heard, this is what we know it
can be right. This is an entire game of the
fourth quarter of the Bears game. It's an entire wire to.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Wire and it felt like I'm not here to say
it was the greatest performance in the history of football.
But it felt like what I think a good rookie
quarterback should feel like, which is enticing.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Right, and we because you're never gonna be able to
put your finger on the greatest, the greatest performance in
football because that happened at the Cleveland Elementary School in
nineteen ninety one. Now I'm jacked up about it. I
think that this matchup you're talking about Manda Man with
the Lions, Ravens go man to.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Man, Ravens go Manda Man.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
So that's what I'm saying, Like, I mean, what's so
interesting to me is, you know, the Bears, per my
understanding disguise a lot of stuff on defense. Lions are
man demand JJ looks really comfortable. We get another man
to man get a little comfortable there and then and
we're only talking about the Ravens, but I want to
jump into the future a little bit. What a fun
(16:16):
opportunity that is off in the distance where after the
Ravens it's the Bears, and you get to have this
side by side comparison of this guy, like here's what
happened Week one with this team. Now here's what it
looks like Week whatever with this team. And oh, by
the way, it's inarguable that the Bears are trending the
right direction. So it's an even harder version of what
(16:39):
you saw earlier. And I think the Ravens, because of
what you said, present an opportunity to keep stepping in
the right direction. And as a fan base, after the
way everybody was feeling, man, that's the number one thing
that has me looking forward to this game.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Yeah, I mean, it's going to be an exciting game,
and I mean I'm already with my predictions.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Well I want to talk about everybody talks about JJ.
But the couple things that I think are important crazy
O line combinations right here. So everybody recognized now that
the on line is getting healthy for the most part
without Kelly, that they really looked the part. I thought
it was super interesting to get Aaron Jones back healthy.
(17:23):
With the on line healthy, it's a good defensive line
for the Lions. And when the Vikings went, what if
we just ran it right into the teeth of what
you think you're good at and they're popping seven eight,
nine thirty one yards, very very fun.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
Jordan Mason we all know is an unbelievable runner. Aaron
Jones is a different kind of runner. And when we
have two basically starting running backs that have different styles,
it is tough to keep an eye on all of it.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
And can I throw since we're in a positive mood,
can I throw something on the positive pile for you you.
I don't know what Pro Football Focus in their dumb
grading system says. I don't know what the guys on
Twitter who frees a picture and then tell you why
someone screwed up are saying. I don't know what anybody thinks.
But I think and I believe, Donovan Jackson isn't just
(18:19):
like a stud in the making. This dude is a
super stud in the making. If he's as good as
I think he might be with Dari Sabin, as.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Good as he is.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Other man, all this talk about O line these last
few buckle up, buck If this dude looks as good
as I believe he looks, and keeps progressing in this way,
I think the O line is going to get like
for the first time since Stucy and Randall McDaniel and
(18:52):
Corey String Like I'm talking ninety eight, two thousand and
nine with Lodhold and you know, all these guys Hutchinson
and McKinney.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
But I'm going even further than that.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I think this line has ninety eight potential and everybody's
gonna get mad at me and send me messages. But
I'm in love with Donovan Jackson's ball game, and I
think it's going the right direction on.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
This is what I'm talking about with everything is what
we thought at the beginning of the year. Right, we
got defensive guys coming back, we got a running back
coming back, we got a quarterback coming back. We got
our O line looking healthy and finally stepping up to
the potential. Oh heavens, this is what happens. I get
(19:38):
jacked up.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Let's do the last one. Then let's do the last one.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Well, we're basically handing out midweek game balls, and but
they're not like performance game balls. They're just we're happy
to have you back, game balls. Thank you for being here.
Game balls, dude. Let's talk about the Gink. Yes, let's
talk about old Andy Van Gink.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
He is my he's my prediction, he's my player prediction.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I can't wait to hear it, and we'll do it
right off this. I think he is this unique combination
of like if Brian Flores could build a guy for
a role, he would build like he's like, that's the
exact guy. He's exactly what the coach needs for the
exact role. And then he's a very, very very skilled athlete.
(20:23):
And then I just think his football brain operates at
a different level than everyone else.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
When you watch him, he's connecting the dots very quickly.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
You just can't knock down that many balls and not
be so incredibly football intelligent. You know, Hardgrave had a
good game. Cashman at a game. Eric Wilson was incredible.
But I think having that dude out there doing all
the right things and making all the right reads with
(20:52):
all that athleticism, I think it just breathed this almost
leash into everybody else to let them shout out to
all the defense who came on and go so but
that is what I'm pumped about. We're coming against a
running quarterback, like seeing Van Ginkel get another week with
this defense. It's like you said, are we going to
get what we thought we were going to get quite
(21:13):
a while ago? We are who we thought we are,
who we thought we are, chatty Daddy or I thought
we were.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Give me, let's do predictions.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Okay, we're doing game prediction. Yeah, we're doing player prediction,
and then we're doing Chad prediction because I believe is
this a home game?
Speaker 2 (21:30):
It is, and I believe you will be there.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
I will not, unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, but what so, here's what I love game prediction.
It's tough because Lamar Jackson is back, yes, and uh,
he just does turn the team into something different. Anytime
you have two running backs basically back there, but one
of them can throw the ball ninety yards, it does
(21:55):
change things. And so unfortunately this week I have to
go Baltimore Ravens twenty four, Minnesota Vikings seven hundred and eighteen.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Okay, that's a little closer than I thought you would
have it. Yeah, I just don't I know he's back.
I've got Baltimore at seventeen. Okay, Vikings at one hundred
and twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Yeah, all right, who.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
You got for player?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Well, player, I'm going the Van gank. You're going ganky,
So I'm gonna I'm gonna break it down in a
little different way though. I'm gonna go, uh, three tackles
for loss and then I'm going either sack or pick.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Okay, one of the two, So a lot of a
lot of impact plays.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
He's going to be in the backfield. Yeah, yeah, he's
gonna be in the backfield quite a bit.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
I'm gonna go that.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
I think I think we're on the verge of one
of those justin Jefferson moments.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
M hm, where we go, Oh my god?
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Did he just catch fifteen balls for one hundred and
ninety some yards and a few touchdowns?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
I said a few? A few touchdowns. That's three, you see,
it's a few. And so that is what I'm going with.
What's your Chad prediction?
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Chad prediction is you're not going to be able to
wear your Minnesota Frost stuff to this game. I understand
it's purple. I understand they've won the only two Cups
in professional women's hockey. You can't wear it this game
because the Ravens are also purple. So I'm predicting a
lot more Vikings wear at this game.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
And I'm going to predict that a lot of how
I behave on next week's program will ride on whether
or not the joy and emotions of what happened this
previous week can continue.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Am I teetering because of other stuff going on? In
my life. Maybe, Chad, maybe and I need Oh.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Hey, so I'm surprised they didn't put spoiler alert in
or something like that. Of course you're teetering. I've never
known you not to be teetering. What are you doing?
Speaker 2 (23:56):
I'm the Teeter King.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah, which, by the way, I've seen that movie and
it's different.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
So thank you to everybody for joining from the Teeter
King and his teeter Queen Chad Daniels. We hope you
guys have a great game and we will see you
next week. Oh by the way, if you're listening on
the podcast app, thank you so much. We love that
you're doing that. Give us a review and big shout
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(24:26):
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Thank you for helping me make the show possible.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
That's going to do it for us. We will see
you next week.
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