Big Mack #13 | 4th Street Live - 4th Street Live Podcast

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Thanks so much. I would say my because I'll just
post it to my other one too, theBig Mac Kit Reno HD.
The Big Mac 1. I think that's the.
One Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do you do when you're not
swatting planes away from the Empire State Building, bro?

(01:50):
Honestly, man, all I think all Ido, yeah, I work, yeah.
I go to the gym a little too much, spend a little bit of time
with the family, not too much, yeah.
And then go out a little while, just every once in a while, just
have some fun. Your boys turning into you.
It's cool to see that bro. Honestly, that is like one of my
favorite things about his age now, because he's 16 and he's

(02:11):
starting to develop into the manthat I hope that he's going to
become. Yeah, he's taking his.
He's taking his work serious. He because he works right now.
He's I'm as like a cupboard's apprentice.
So he's learning a trade, which I think is super important for
kids right now is they need to learn that kind of stuff.
They it's not just, hey, go to college, go do this.
Don't it's find your way, find your path.

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Because he's always loved cooking and he's always maybe
wanted maybe be a chef or something like that.
But then he was looking at his, he loves doing it, But so he's,
I don't want to get burnt out onthat either.
So maybe I should find a career path that I get to work with my
hands. I learn a trade and all that
stuff. Luckily I have some friends that
own their own businesses and they're willing to teach and

(02:55):
just. And he loves it over there.
And then I'm going to the gym all the time.
Yeah, I actually asked him because all of a sudden out of
nowhere he was like, hey, I wantto start going to the gym with
you. Which hit me.
I was like, damn. Because he was in Muay Thai for
a few years. Because when he was like younger
he'd get picked on because he's a very soft spoken kid.
How big is he now he's. A little person.
He's like almost 6 foot to like 195, Yeah.

(03:15):
So I still think he's like a little person because
comparatively to me, he's still,he's my little boy still, as
long as he doesn't get taller than me because there's no way
I'm going to look up at some of my own house.
So the second he's taller than me, he has to move out.
I don't care how old he is, he has to move out.
No, but he got in that. So he was like bullied as a
younger kid because he's so softspoken.
Yeah. And then so he started taking
Muay Thai, loved Muay Thai, got into great shape, did all that
stuff. But he's still very just docile.

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So he'll do it, but he doesn't want to.
So he was like, no, I want to start going to gym with you.
I was like, why is that? He was like, Dad, how often do
you get into fights on on my behalf or just in generalities?
Because because my friends get in fights and he was like, on
your own behalf. I was like, oh dude, rare.
And he was like, it's because you're big about not.
I think it's because I'm a nice guy.
He's not Dad, You're scary as hell.
Yeah, he's. So I think the best deterrent is

(03:58):
just to look the part and that'll be a the first
deterrent. And then if it has to go to the
fight, I'll do that too. But I don't want to.
I want to be able to like to turn any of that stuff around.
And he was like, and so I was like, whatever.
And not to mention that just makes them happy and healthy and
all that stuff. I always, that's all I want out
of my son. I want my kids just be happy,
healthy and ready to go like in life.
Yeah. Because I did not.

(04:19):
I was not like that. I was.
Yeah. I was a big old fat kid.
Like that was bad. Yeah, yeah.
I was like. Fucking big dude I was.
I hit over 525 at my biggest. Damn.
I yeah. And I know it's.
What were you riding then? Oh, I wasn't riding anything but
the couch. It was.
Everyone says why don't you sleep anymore?
I was like, bro, when I was fat,all I did was work and then

(04:39):
sleep and eat. I'm 90% stressed was sleep
eating. I was just all the time.
And I was over 525. I don't know exactly how much it
was just the scale went up to 525 and it was all Ding, Ding,
Ding, Ding. So it was over that.
Yeah. And yeah, I made a change
earlier, like I would say in my early, right around 2122, I
everyone always asked me like, what made you decide to like
really lose the weight, like really make that thing.

(05:01):
And yeah. And I was like, and it was as
mine's like a cool story. So as a chef, I was a chef at
the Alliance for years. Yeah, that's where you met my
wife. Yeah, that's actually where I
met. Yeah.
Yeah. I was like I used to.
Yeah. She always bought me some Mac.
I want something special. I don't.
Yeah, I. Was like she said, your grilled
cheeses. Yeah, I don't know.
Yeah, dude, she like real and angle eyes.
That's what you want to fast, Let's roll.

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So she was like, that's yeah, that's where I met her and used
to feed her and her friends all the time.
And it's like, honestly, it's where I learned to talk a lot.
It's just you constantly like you have to be happy with those
people. And so I was eating all the time
over there and I'm not eating good food for me either.
I'm sampling scampi and bacon and all that good stuff.
You have to, right? You have to.
You don't have to eat as much ofthat.
I was. Doing you were eating.
That dude, that's good. So I remember every night I'd go

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home and I lived in Fernley at the time, so you know, this nice
little commute and every night Iget off at 10 o'clock 11:00 at
night and I'd be smashed into friendly.
And every day, it doesn't matterthat I ate two or three times at
work, I'd stop at Del Taco, Burger King, some places.
And so the last time I stopped by, this is how you know how old
I am, I stopped by and got like 5 Whoppers since Whoppers were a

(06:04):
dollar back then. That's how old I am.
I'm sorry, dude. They were good.
A little bit BBQ sauce you were rolling, but I remember.
So I got up. So I went up to Burger King and
I like went to the drive throughand I'm like, hey, can I get 5
Whoppers? 2 with no onions, 2 with no
tomatoes. I like tomatoes, I like onions,
but I just don't want the personto drive through.
So Oh my God, this fat guy's going to be eating 5 Whoppers.

(06:25):
Holy crap, that's a lot of food.So I'm like, I'm going into
friendly and I get Derby. Damn.
And I've already pounded the first four burgers down.
They're done and I go over. Then I open up the bag and
there's one burger left and I'm sitting and I'm looking at it as
like, bro, you're so ashamed of like your eating habits that
you're making these people work harder.
Yeah, they don't care. That guy in the back is not why

(06:47):
is Kenny just order the Whopper away?
It's supposed to be. And the lady has to.
I was doing all that stuff and I'm sitting in my mind.
I was like, you're so embarrassed that you're making
these people work harder and they don't really care.
And I was like, so I was like, that was the in my mind, I was
like, I'm done. So I like rolled down the
window. I finished that burger because I
paid for it. I wasn't going to throw that out
or nothing, but I was like, no, I finished that burger.
It's like an alcoholic mentality.
I was like, I bought this drink,that was the burger and that was

(07:09):
The thing is that's why I reallyunderstand when people are
talking about like the addiction, especially the food
and all that stuff. It's real.
It's alcohol because like food is like a little bit different.
It's something 'cause you have to have it.
Like you don't have to have alcohol to start off.
You owe. Everyone has to eat and it's
just, and that's where mine was.So I called my cousin Lenny.
It's. So easy to justify it in your
head. Having a food addiction.
Oh yeah, then saying hey, I needto smoke this crack to live.

(07:30):
Exactly. Yeah, yeah, it's 100%.
It's always so stupid when you're chronically overweight
and and all that stuff. I used to hate the word morbidly
obese because of man, that sounds bad, but that's what I
was. It's crazy how you would justify
your eating habits too. So I was like, hey, I'm just
have a simple breakfast. And I was like, oh, all I had
was a cheese Danish. And you're thinking is like,

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hey, you just had 1300 calories of something that weighed 6 oz.
You had a real breakfast that had some real nutrition to it,
but you don't think like that. You're like, Oh no, it was only
this big. How bad could it be?
No, it's horrible. And that's kind of my mentality
that I had. And so I called my cousin Lenny
and he was a bodybuilder. He he oh, he actually competed
in like American Gladiators. He was an inspiration for most
of my life. So he's always been a huge part

(08:10):
of my life when his passion was rough on me, actually helped me
even go more into it because carry on that legacy of his.
And I called him, I was like, hey, man, I'm done.
I'm so over this. I need help.
And sometimes that's what it means.
You have to have that one personin your life.
And he never forced me, but he always tell me when you're ready
because like people, but we've all had friends that have been
addicted to one thing another and you can tell them all the
time, but until they're ready, they're not ready.

(08:31):
Bro, you can't push it 100%. And luckily he was the one that
was like, when you're ready, gotit, I'm here, got it.
So I called him. I was like, I'm done.
He's like, cool, you're going tocome to my house, grab a bag.
You're going to stay at my housefor the next two weeks.
And he put me in the dining room, which is messed up to do a
fat guy just. Sitting right next to the
kitchen. Bro that's crazy I.
Gave me like a little mattress, like it was like almost like a
prison cot. And it was like boot camp

(08:53):
basically where you're going to stay.
It's all right, cool, I can do that.
He's all after work. We're going to go to the gym and
we're going to do this. I was like, cool, what about my
diet? He's fuck your diet.
Oh, what do you mean? He's like, you know what?
He's the reason that most peoplefail diets or fail this.
What you're going to do is you're trying to change your
whole life in one day. And unless you're ready to do
that, you're not. And he's like, so he just said

(09:13):
what we're going to do first 2-3weeks, you know what?
Let's just make the gym a part of your life.
OK, Let's just let's go work out, get some foundations, have
some fun learning stuff. Loved it.
And then three weeks and then he's like, all right, Mac, he's
like, what, what's your bugs? What's the hard thing for you to
do? Like when a some people don't
want to be told what they can eat or when they can eat or all
those things. Me, man, when I'm hungry, I want

(09:33):
to eat. I don't want to wait.
I don't like being scheduled. I understand.
I just want to eat. I'm hungry, eat.
I says, all right, cool, we're going to put you on this side
here. It's this and this.
You can eat whatever you want, but you can't eat these foods.
Perfect. Did that and I went from a
little over 525 and I got down to the four hundreds.
I remember when I how. Long did that take.
It took about nine months, and which is everyone's man, that

(09:55):
was fest. I was like, yeah, I think when
you're morbidly obese, losing 50to 100 lbs in a year, it sounds
like a lot to a lot of people. But when you think it's your
percentage, I lost 25% of my body weight, that's crazy.
But when you look at like someone who's like you're 150
lbs, if you were to lose 100 lbs, you lost 75% of your body
weight. You'd just be your shoes.

(10:15):
So like for me, just the percentage was so I lost a lot
of that weight and learned otherstuff.
And then of course, I yo yoed a lot.
I think that a lot of people do that get into depressions.
Me and my wife had a sympathy. Wait was a thing.
But when your wife is, oh, I want 14 milkshakes a day and
three watermelons and you don't want to eat alone because I
don't want to. Eat alone, I'm fine.

(10:35):
Yeah, so then you have to eat. I was like, man, I don't even
want another jack-in-the-box milkshake.
I haven't had one since because of that.
I was like, I'm so tired of that.
And so I went up and down. But the last year, I think,
before I was doing it for other people.
I think that's what it was. I was lonely.
I had depression on being aroundpeople.
I had a hard time talking to what?
I was always the fat funny friend.
Still am, just not as fat, but still funny.

(10:57):
So I got that. I had to develop that humor.
But in the last year, I really, I think I did it for me more
than anything else. I I wanted to get bigger,
stronger. Yeah, my kids are a motivation
to it. I don't want to see them grow
up. But the big thing is they don't
want to be looked at like they don't want to be looked like
that anymore. You want to be comfortable in
your own skin. Exactly, that's what it was.
I was like, because tattoos, bald beard, all that stuff and

(11:20):
being the big guy, like I alwayshad that presence.
I mean, you've known me for years.
I've always been a big presence.It's hard to miss me.
But the way I feel and look now,I definitely notice that I get
more attention in a positive manner from men, women,
strangers, friends, all that stuff.
And it's always crazy because I like my wife very supportive.
My friends are super supportive of club.
A lot of the girls that I've been hanging out with for years

(11:42):
very supportive and I love that.I've noticed that it's always
something like I was telling my mom, one of my brothers or my
wife would say, hey baby, you look great.
And it's I never believed them because I feel like you're
almost obligated to do it. It's like when you leave the
house. Yeah, when your wife says do I
look? Like you, yeah.
But like, on the way up, Beth says I love you and you just say
I love you. It's not that you don't even
think, it's your response to. Do.

(12:04):
So sometimes I feel when your friends, your family say that
it's just it's their response todo it.
But when strangers are random, people come up.
I want I was eating at Twin Peaks, one of my favorite place
to go. Obviously good food.
Shout out to some peaks. Yeah, yeah, shooting got them to
sponsor. Today it's 100% I'm on it.
Yeah, yeah. OK.
Stop Bears buses over there. Hey, we'll tag them, bro.

(12:24):
We'll tag them, OK. Yeah, Christine.
We got, yeah. So I was going over there all
the time and that was like, and I love that spot.
And I actually got a job over there because of that.
Yeah. And but it was crazy.
So I was one. I was there with a couple of my
club brothers one night and we're sitting there eating and
there was like some big guys that were over in the cigar
lounge. And I have a real bad habit of

(12:46):
when I have some of my friends around me, like when I have AJ
around me, I am zeroed out to the world because I know that
guy's watching my back like nothing else.
Like it's like I could be blindfolded and still nothing's
going to touch me. That guy's just.
That's all AJ does is watch people bro you.
Know so I feel super comfortableso I don't really pay attention
as much when I know he has my back.
So we're sending I'll send thesethree big just yoke dudes come

(13:09):
over and they like put their hands down on the table and I
was like and AJ like full a couple of other guys just like
my guys got all nervous. I look up at him and he's like,
hey, how big are you? And I was like, and I'm a smart
ass. I was like, I don't know.
Most of the girls here say I waslike, yeah, I was like, most of
the girls here say I'm about average size, but it's how I use
it that makes the difference. He was like, no, what?
He's like, no, that's not what Imeant.

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I'm like what came off a little hey.
Girl, yeah, he was a little gay dude.
And he was. Like, no, he's like, no, look,
how big are you? So I was like, oh, dude.
And at the time I was like, he'sdrunk.
No, he's sober. He's just a big, he looks like
he looked like a Santa did roidslike just a big yoke guy.
All these rich ass people on their Ferraris and Porsches and
all that stuff. And I started talking to him for
a minute and he's like, you're the one guy in this bar I
wouldn't want to mess with because I just got to the gym.

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So I saw that I was wearing a tank all stuff.
And I'm in my mind, I'm laughing.
I was like me guy crossed me, almost stabbed you in the
throat, motherfucker. Like I was like, no, I'm the
nicest 1 here. Because that's one thing I think
is great for me is because I am so big.
Like I don't have to be all the time, but just my presence is,
which is cool. But that honestly that hit me
really hard. The fact that these random ass

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guys who are also in good shape come over.
And so I took like more from them, which is kind of weird.
I think that we don't take what our friends and family and club
brothers and people that are as truly close to us and truly care
about us. Sometimes we almost take it when
when they give us a compliment. I think it's weird because I
just, I, I know they're telling me the truth.
They are. But in my mind I'm like, yeah,

(14:33):
yeah. Even when you guys like I love
you and so like, and I respect you, you'll come over and say,
oh, bro, man, looking great, dude.
It hits me like I was like, all right, because I mean, you were
close, but you're not like my for my you know, and I see you
every once in a while, so you'llsee a big change in meeting in a
couple months. I always and I love that.
And I was like, I think I do that now more.
I think when I see people that are really changing themselves

(14:53):
financially, physically or doingman, I like going over and tell
them, hey, because I think it like it's sparks.
It's like if it wasn't for people doing that to me, I don't
know if I would have kept. On No words fucking matter,
dude. Yeah, it was like, and I went
through the same thing for a long time to the point where I
was, I think it was fucking like2.
I was like 280 almost, bro, Really.

(15:14):
Yeah. And I'm six one.
That's my weight, man. And that was when, and that was
when I was prospecting and I locked and I gained all that
weight and I didn't wear it likeI was 280, but I was fucking 2.
AI was big. And it was the point where I was
not feeling great about myself, dude, You know what I mean?
I think we went to the dragon lights at Rancho or something
like that dude and I was struggling walking.

(15:35):
And. I'm like 280.
I'm like 29 bro. This is not OK, dude.
And I remember that day I was like, and then I actually did
some tests and turns out like mybody just doesn't process
carbohydrates, you know what I mean?
And it was just like, hey, I just cut out the carbohydrates
and the rest of it will be OK. And that was the easiest thing.
And it was like it was in. Now my guys are like, bro, you

(15:58):
need to gain weight, you know? What I'm saying it's the
opposite. But that was the hardest thing
is like people during that because I definitely was like,
damn, I just want to eat some fucking nachos, bro, you know
what I'm saying? And they'll be like, hey, I can
see that it's hard, you're losing weight.
It looks good. You know what I mean?
It's good. Yeah.
And that's how like you have those true people that are
around you and it's, and I thinksometimes I'm like, I think the

(16:18):
most guilty of it. Sometimes I don't appreciate the
fact that these people that are close to me, they say and I hear
it. Yeah, but I don't hear it.
You know what I mean? I totally understand.
I think that's what it's like. Where's that power?
They do and it's and sometimes it does.
And I like I told my people, hey, I appreciate it.
I really do. Even if I don't show that I like
that I'm appreciative and that Ireally respond to it like I do
cuz love my small circle of friends that are even in my club

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and like all clubs, especially when you get to a certain size,
there's small little groups within the groups and like that.
All the time. It's clicky bro.
It has to, OK. It has to be unless, and it's
not necessarily a bad thing. It's like when I first started
in the club, the people that I hung out in the club the most
were the people I grew up with. There were St. racers.
No, we were St. racers from like1617, eighteen years old.
I mean shit, I meant my president when he was living in

(17:02):
his Fiero and that's how it me and him.
You, you're just behind him in time, right?
Yeah, yeah. I'm like, right behind him,
yeah. So you're like 10 years I'm.
A little over 10 years now. Yeah, bro.
Yeah, so. And it's crazy.
And it's crazy. And it's like, and me and him
were talking about that. He was raising a Fiero.
Yeah, dude, he was sleeping. Is that why they call him that?
That's how White calls him that because he used to only raise
Fieros. He's got like 3 or 4 Fieros.
I didn't know. That dude.
And that's how he got the name I.

(17:23):
Didn't know that, yeah. It ever no one ever did.
And that's always like the cool thing is people would always ask
me this and I was like, what is it?
I was like, go ask them. And they're always so into
they're like, I don't ask what if it's wrong or what if we just
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Thanks so much. Foxy Feet.
Yeah, dude. Got out of it.
Yeah, but. It was very cool.
Yeah, that kid there, and even though he's younger than me,
yeah, by a bit, that took a man.He, I gave him that kid a lot of
respect. Yeah.

(18:03):
This kid was fresh out of high school and he's working like 3
jobs. And because he was working three
jobs, he didn't have time to always go.
So he'd sit in his car with a little fucking space heater.
Yep. And I was like, I was like, bro,
what the hell. So it hit me cuz like I'm not
super wealthy or like that. I definitely have that person
of. I've definitely been blessed.
I'm definitely blessed. I work very hard to be blessed.

(18:24):
But like I see other people thatwork just as hard as I do or sit
in some cases harder. Yeah.
And they're not hitting it yet. And I always say they're not
hitting me yet. Yeah, bro, because they're going
to. You can't have that mentality
and never hit it. Yeah, it's just it's going to
happen. Yeah.
And so like he came in and I hadhim stay with me for a little
while and so that he just had a place, you know what I mean?
Yeah and dude, I'm so proud of him now.

(18:45):
Yeah, like that guy there. I'm besides the fact that he
leads my club in such a an amazing way.
Besides him doing that, I meant getting married.
I meant he's honestly, he's one of the most respected people in
my life. And the fact that he's such a
hard work. I'm with that guy right now.
When he's off, he's working. I was like, bro, you need to
stop. But he's his mindset is future.
I'm always looking at the future.
And I was like, to me, that's why I think I respect him so

(19:06):
much. Yeah, it's someone like that
just has to do it all the time. I fucking love that shit about
him. But I think that's what, which
kind of brought me to him as well, got into there.
And that's why all these, these smaller groups within our clubs,
yeah, kind of exist because you latch on to the people that have
these common interests. And right now there's a chunk of
us that are very into in ourselves physically and

(19:27):
mentally. And getting, some of them was
getting off of getting off of drinking, getting off of doing
drugs. Yeah.
And they're, and I've noticed that every one of them that have
done it, with the exception of one or two, have all battled
addiction in one way or another.So I think we're subletting the
fact that yeah, OK, you know what?
We have this manic energy. We have this thing that we have
to get done. Yeah.

(19:47):
So in a lot of people, they turnto Christ, they turn to
religion. Yeah.
They turn to bikers. Yeah.
They turn to the gym, they turn to something that they can
really go into. And luckily for me, I was like,
I love being a part of a club. I love our community.
It's fucking amazing. Yeah.
I've never been in something like that.
And so I can't never leave cuz Imiss it too much.
But yeah, now also having this community of people that like.

(20:07):
Cared about themselves and the fact that and they're not just
kind of oh, I want to look good,I want to feel good.
But they're doing it because they're like, man, what if what
if someone needs me? Yeah.
Am I going to be like you were saying, walking up this hill in
at the in? Gas.
In gas and something happens with your kids and your wife and
they're 10 yards ahead of me andyou're like, bro, I can't.
That's so me. Yeah.
I think that's why a lot of us are doing it.
They're like, do yeah, I want to.

(20:28):
Close on The Avengers kick, dude.
And I've noticed that with a lotof the like a lot of people are
in honestly with even in your club.
I love the fact I see a lot of your guys doing that same thing.
It's not. I don't think a lot of people
see the MC in that light. No for.
Sure. I don't really think they see
they and I get it. I don't know how many of my

(20:49):
close friends, especially peoplethat have just been in the last
6-7 months to a year and they just met me and I throw I
stereotypically I look at oh, I get it.
Yeah, big ball tattooed. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I say the wrong stuff all the time because I think it's funny.
Cool because it's funny. It's not like, yeah, but yeah,
but then they get to know me andthey're like, bro, this is
you're just not what I expect. And they and then they're oh,
you're a part of an MC, you're just not what I expect.

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And I think they really miss thekey part of most clubs.
Not all, there's always those, but I think most clubs we, we're
looking for those people that are around us that want us to be
better for legitimately want us to be better.
And those are the, and the honestly, those are the other
clubs I can hang out with the most, like the ones I respect
the most and I make sure I make time for because yeah, dude,
there's so much stuff going on all the time.

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Life. Look what you're doing here.
I think this is amazing. Yeah, I'm always, every time
someone in my life starts doing something new or improving, I
don't know why, but I take pridein it.
The just the fact that I was like, yeah, to me, so it's big
for that. And so it's all that comes up.
So I'm really happy that we're into those points.
I I do too, I think. And I think the Club World is
such an important thing because you can tell when you got a when

(21:55):
you're around the right group ofdudes because everybody's
pushing you to do everything youfucking like.
You say, hey, I want to open a motorcycle shop.
OK, how do we do that? You know what I mean?
How are we going to do that together?
Yeah, you know what I mean? Fucking let's push you into
opening a fucking motorcycle shop and let's fucking do it.
And let's not talk about it. Let's just fucking figure out
how we do it. You know what I mean?
And same with this is like just another thing to keep our mind

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busy, but also talk about culture in a way that I don't
feel like is being represented well from my perspective.
You don't understand. I agree.
I agree. And that's that outside
perspective. And it's rough.
And I'm not saying it's not. It's never been earned because
obviously it's been earned, yeah.
But there's so many outlets. There's so many of them.
There's so many podcasts and there's so many outlets and
there's people that have podcasts that are say that

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they're locals, that they're from California.
Is Brooke. You are not, man.
I like the people that I grew upwith.
You know what I mean? And that's what's funny is I got
my first support sticker from the lucky ones when I was still
tweaking because I don't know ifyou it was, I think it was at
the Gateway Bar and you guys were all on street bikes.
Oh shit, dude. And I was on a Cowie 250 Ninja

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and I think I was 2020 and I gota vinyl.
I tell everybody. That you got though.
You got a vinyl? OG.
It's dude that's. Yeah, yeah.
So that was a first experience with with your guys's club.
Yep, sure. I didn't know.
That's what I love about this. I've known you for all.
These. And that's the street I grew up
on, yeah. That's what I love about this.
I've known you guys in the same like, and I swear to God that we

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still learn stuff about each other as close as everyone is.
And that's what I love about that stuff.
And it's just like, yeah, and I agree, man.
And it's and this looks like beautiful.
And honestly, I wouldn't be as successful as I am, yeah, if I
didn't have that same those samesupport systems around me, if I
didn't have honestly people in like the motorcycle community
because we're like, I've only been at Reno Harley for just I
just hit my five year in July. I think I hit my five year,

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yeah. I remember when you were going,
dude. It was nerve racking, bro.
I'm not even gonna lie. I was, I think I was more
nervous about leaving my 20 yearcareer because I was at the
Atlantis for 20 years working upfrom a pep cook up to managing
and I like I put everything to that.
Job, you knew the paganetics. I knew, I knew and it was crazy.
Like I just do that. The reason I bought my house to

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the Atlantis, I, I had my life. So I met my friends.
I'm sure I met lots of people that are close to me.
I met your wife there. I met sure.
I think I met some of my closestfriends while working there and,
and leaving there. And it was like it was right
after COVID and I was just, I was turning 40 and I was just
like, bro, 20 years here and I felt kind of like I hit a
ceiling just because there was so much going on.

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And that's once you get to a certain point in a lot of
places, the roof gets smaller and smaller because there's less
and less people to do those jobs.
And once you get those, like youdon't want to leave One of our
Sean, he was the sale general sales manager over we know
Harley and known him for years, part of a club.
And he's always like, why don't you ever just do this?
I'm a man. I'm not a salesman.
You just not, but you and I didn't know himself, bro, use my

(24:52):
mind. That's why he says, bro, you're
a salesman. And I was like, I don't know.
I was like, bro, you can talk about anything.
You're so relatable. And I was like, I appreciate
that, but what's a hurt? What's a hurt?
So I was like, you know what? Cool.
You know what? Maybe that's the change I need.
And I think that switch was scarier than when my wife said
she was pregnant. That was scarier than getting
married. Yeah.
But generally, that was because all those other things, there

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was no choice. Yeah, I was having a baby wasn't
a choice. We're getting married.
My mom said that was happening. That wasn't a choice.
Small little Italian woman. They tell you're just doing that
shit. You ain't listening.
You're like mom, and so you don't have choices.
So I think the reason that the Atlantis to the Harley-Davidson
thing was such a thing, because it was my choice and my choice,
it would dramatically affect my future, my wife, my kids, my

(25:36):
family, all the people that are close to me.
Yeah. So I was, like, doing it.
And then I put in my notice. And what did make me feel good,
though, is the last week how many people that worked there
were like, sure. Is there anything we can do to
change your mind? And I was like, and it was, I
love. There's no animosity to this
place because I was like, I still love being honest.
It's meant to be. It's just I want to try
something new. I need to.
Yeah. And what was really cool is they
actually kept me on salary for acouple months, damn, after that.

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And the reason was because afterCOVID, they were really bringing
everything. They were starting to back up
again. During COVID, I was one of the
few people that was working. So I still worked in the
kitchen. I still was like doing a lot of
filing. I was still doing a lot of the
stuff because I just don't want to be at home.
I can't stay at home very long. I get anxiety.
Me too, I got. It's this I got to be doing.
Something I do bro. And so when I left and I'm not a

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big note taker, I do everything in my head.
So like we had a lot of high rollers that would come in and
they wanted specific things and because I didn't write them
down, I just knew people by whatthey liked, who they were with
all that stuff. So they would call me.
They all we need you to do is call me.
If I call, you have to answer the phone.
I'm like, I can do that. So it's cool.
And I think, and it was funny asI brought all that hospitality

(26:39):
like knowledge. Yeah, I went when I, so I went
over to Harley. I, I honestly, I'm gonna be
honest with you guys. I didn't have my first Harley
till I worked at Harley. Yeah, so I was gonna say,
weren't you on a victory? Dude I was on victory zoo.
I love those kind. Of things like, I seen you up in
the desert one time ripping that.
Yeah, I had my 8 balls up. Oh, up in the where everyone
goes shooting up in the water. Yeah, I remember that.
Up in the snow, in the ice like a fucking moron.

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Yeah, but I'm not smart. I do stupid shit because.
Those victories are cool. Dude, dude, I'll never say.
That's the thing, too, is I workat Harley, and obviously I love
my brand. Yeah.
And it's so funny because peopleask me what about Indian?
What about Victory? And I was like, you know what?
I'll never put down another brand if it's done correctly.
Like the Indian is a good motorcycle.
It is motorcycle. It has some really cool
features. Yeah.
And I was like, but like, on thebiggest aspect of it when I was
looking at it. Is that closer for you?

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Yeah. Where's the closest Indian
dealership? Thank you.
If mine was closed, I've. Never seen one.
Because the last one was the oneover there across the street
from the old Ford. The players, the players place.
Yeah, but they don't even work on Indians or victories anymore.
They've been doing it. They work on, but they don't
even sell that stuff anymore. And I was like, OK, so say Reno
Harley closed down. Where's the next one?
Oh, Battleborn, that one. Yeah.
Where's the next one? Yeah.

(27:46):
Sacramento. Fucking Sacramento, dude.
Like all over the place. What about dude?
Yeah, you can't not find 1. So I was like, to me that was.
Always. The biggest thing that is.
That's always. The biggest thing?
So I was like, not to mention, Iwas like, ask someone who owned
a victory. Yeah, trying to find stuff was
always that's. What I was going to say, it's
just like trying to find fuckingtea bars for an Indian scout.
Good fucking luck. I know, man.
And then it's $700. Because it's supply and demand.

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If two people make something, yeah, you get to pick.
Yeah, you can get some pretty good tea bars for a for a diner
on eBay, so. In this committee you can
change. You could trade a six pack of 6
pack of Ghost Yeah for some tea bars.
There's like tea bars that's. What you want?
Yeah, I'll give you a beer. It's like, yeah.
And that I think was like the biggest turn on that stuff.
And I was like, that's where my real love came forward is like.

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And the fact that you can do anything on a Harley, like it's
bro in your bikes, I'm gonna tell you yours.
And fees. Yeah.
You like. Those are what I'm talking
about. You cannot.
If you can think about it and you have the money to do it, you
can do it. The victories in the Indians and
a lot of those other brands are just.
It didn't matter. Yeah.
That you had the money or even the vision.
Yeah, bro. Are you gonna build that?
Yeah. And that's what was so.
Yeah. Yeah.

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And that's why going over there was so crazy.
And my sales process, when I wasover there, when I was a fit, it
wasn't even selling the motorcycle because to be honest
with you, when I started over there, I started to look down at
the gas gauge of the gas tank tosee if it was a street glider or
a Rogue Glide. I was horrible, man.
I don't. I don't know how they fucking
hired. When you were first getting.
There first getting there and the problem was I became I was

(29:10):
the number one sales guy the very first month cool and
everyone was like and I rememberone of my brothers who worked
there he was like man, I'm not worried about him like he's but
they're like no that fool can talk and he knows how to just
he's passion so. You don't need to know.
That's a cool sales thing is I is I.
You do not need to know. You don't need to know.
You just have to pretend like you do.
You also, you'd have a passion of one thing or another.

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Sure. I noticed that something like my
boy Dane, he was working over, he works at another one of our
dealerships now and he is the encyclopedia of Harley-Davidson.
Yeah. So like when if I had a customer
that was just asking me some weird ass shit and I was like,
who the fuck would know that? Hey, Dane.
Oh yeah, he came out with this tire and this year and This is
why I was like, bro, I just asked what size wheel is this?
And that was his. And mine was like, I I really
sold what riding did because I meant riding for me was huge.

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I meant like, besides the friends I made in the family
that I occurred doing so the freedom of I used to always
sounds like I was like my favorite thing to always talk
about, especially when I was a couple first getting their first
bikes or the husband looking at getting the Harley.
Especially like one of the bigger ones, like a road ladder
streak. Like these toys are twenty,
$30,000. They're not cheap.
And not to mention all the otherstuff you do to them.
They're not right. So you have to really find value

(30:16):
in whatever you spend your moneyon.
So I used to always paint the picture.
I was like, I have a question for you.
I was like, and I know you take your wife out to a lot of my
stores. You're a good husband.
Yeah, appreciate that. Big birds on it.
Yeah. Besides the one you just went on
a couple days ago. But how often do you take your
girl out to a nice dinner? Honestly like once a month I can
make that at. Least once a month, right?
Yeah, at least once a month. Because you're a good husband,
right? Shout out.
Hey, Beth. Nice guy right there.
Hey, I got you bored. Definitely getting laid tonight.

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What's that? Yeah, damn right.
But The thing is like, can you remember honestly, three months
ago? No.
Can you remember the dinner where you went and you.
No, you remember you went out toeat, right.
But you don't. But I was like, but I'll tell
you this, I was like 3 months ago when you when Beth jumped on
the back of your bike and you went up to went up to Incline
Village. Yeah.
That was something I used to always do.
It's one of my favorite things. Go up to Incline Village, get

(30:57):
some tacos and then ride over toEmerald Bay and just sit on the
side running. Yeah, we did that three years
ago and I still remember I remember the smells, the taste,
all that stuff to me, that was what I sold.
Yep. I sold a motorcycle's a
motorcycle. You can get a motorcycle
legitimately anywhere. Yeah, legitimately anywhere,
yeah. But what I always sold was the
experience of what the bike could do.
And then like by for me, you always knew you got that

(31:19):
passion, that honesty from it. Cuz I tell people this all the
time and your name is only as good as you let it be.
So once you ruin it, yeah, it's so hard to get it back.
It is, man. And so I have this thing where
I'd never want my name to go back right on on it.
Legitimately anything. Like I hate I I know we were
like, oh, I don't care. You can, they can talk.
So they can talk. I do care.

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I care when someone like legitimately has a beef with my
name. Yeah, other than, oh, he stole
my girl. He has better hair than I do.
I do, I know. But honestly, it's that that
kind of stuff doesn't bug me. That is what it is.
But I'm talking about like, hey,this guy is a piece of shit.
If I ever heard that about me, bro, I'm confronting it.
And not in an aggressive manner.Yeah.
Yeah. I wanna know why.
Yeah. What are you saying?
And then and if it and if you are just being a piece of shit,

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then OK, then we'll handle it that way too.
But if I wrong someone, man, I wanna know that.
I do. Yeah.
So you're gonna stand on it. Yeah.
So you want that to stand on your reputation at your
workplace? Exactly and that's the same
thing. I was going over there cuz
everyone's cuz I told cuz I since I don't sell the bikes
anymore, I get to do the fun stuff.
Honestly, I do. I get to do.
The fun stuff I get to do the. Fun stuff.
I get to participate so and I love that aspect of that job.
I get to really use my mind on, like, problem solving and

(32:23):
calling the banks and really fighting for people to get their
dream because, like, I don't think people realize how cool it
is. Yeah.
And how hard it is, honestly, toget a motorcycle.
Yeah, a lot of stuff comes through that process.
There's nothing worth. Honestly, the hardest part about
the job is when I have to decline someone.
Oh, that's dude, it's rough. Especially someone who loves it,
wants it and all that stuff. When you decline, it's such a
rough spot. And so my favorite thing is
like, when I can figure out how to get that going.

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And I love that aspect of my job.
I think that's the number one spot as money's great.
Listen experience. It's a $500 a month payment.
You're going to pay for the biketwice at 28%, but we're going to
get you. Approved.
We're going to get you this. We're going to get you.
We're going to get you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And that's one of the fundamental things I love and
that's. And everyone's like, why do you
even care? I'll tell people I'm not going
to sell you that bike quite well.
It's a piece of shit. Yeah.

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It's for another store just by kids.
I'm just doing something. They're like, I was like,
because here's the bottom line is you're going to leave, you're
going to leave my dealership. And I could tell you to your
face this is a piece of crap bike.
I don't think it's going to makeit down the block.
And I can tell you that to your face and you're going to come
back to me in a month when it breaks down and say, oh, you
sold me a piece of shit. I'm I know.
I told you and I have to say. That and I was like, and I don't

(33:25):
want to ever have to say that. So I just I'll tell people I'm
not going to, I'm just not goingto because my name is the only
thing I have. And I was like every so every
one of my fits, every motorcyclethey sell that has my name on
it. And that's how I look at.
So when something is wrong, I really do take it personally.
And that's why I think I take itso hard.
And I really want to figure out what's going on.
And I take, well, actually I took part of my name.

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And I think since that's the only thing that we were born
with in that it's up to us to fuck it up or keep it.
Yeah, like why ruin it? I totally get what you're
saying. I do.
I also am of the type that people's opinions of me are
largely none of my business. But this comes from a sobriety
perspective because it's one thing like you were saying, if I
something I got to go stand on, that's one thing.

(34:10):
But another side to that is, is there's just people that are
going to not like me for absolutely no reason, or maybe
you good reason, bro. And that's OK too.
You know what I'm saying? I fucking, but I know my, I know
if I wake up in the morning and my side of the street is clean,
then I have a certain level of peace in the morning.

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Then that's really all I give a fuck about.
If my, if the dudes that I know that I've said I love you.
If anybody in your club had an issue, we just need to handle it
because I'm not going to let that shit linger.
And if it was dudes at my club, we're just gonna handle that.
Yeah, cuz I'm not gonna let thatlinger, you know what I mean?
But largely it's like I've got too much to do.

(34:51):
I feel like in my brain, I feel like this is a finite time.
We need to. I just feel like I got so much
to do. And if I'm truly worried about
other people's opinions, man, I wouldn't get anything done.
You know what I mean? Just me.
I'm speaking for me. No, I agree with that.
And that's where I was like, youhave to distinguish, yeah, what
that bad name was, Was it a deserved name?
It wasn't someone like I said, that's just hitting on.
You did I fuck you, bitch. Yeah, sorry, but she's hot.

(35:14):
Yeah. It wasn't my fault.
Yeah, Like, yeah, you. Didn't lose your girl, you just
lost your. Turn.
Yeah, you. Yeah, exactly.
No, she was just sampling. I'm sorry.
Man. Fuck.
But it is what it is. And no, it's it's.
And my biggest thing is I understand if I did something or
do something, like intentionally, that's where you
have to have your name on yours.I don't even know that.
Yeah. How do you get mad at someone
for not even knowing? Yeah, it's not Adrian's bliss.

(35:35):
But like, how am I supposed to know?
So how do I even know that bugged you?
Yeah, because that's. I actually had a conversation
with someone a little while ago and got a little warm, and it
was about disrespect. Yeah, and it's so funny because
you don't even know because whatyou find disrespectful and what
I find disrespectful can be on very different terms.
And like sometimes they'll say, well, let's put yourself in my

(35:57):
shoes. I'm all I did.
And that's why I didn't find it disrespectful because to me
that's not a disrespectful act. I get what you because it's
intent. My intent was not to disrespect
you. But now that you told me, now
that you've told me, if I do it again, that's disrespectful.
If I don't know, yeah, dude. And it sounds like just let
people know. And it's, it's super simple, but
people get in their fields real fast.
Yeah. And.

(36:18):
Yeah, that's little. Talking.
About it. That's so funny you said that.
That's exactly how I little Chris in the beginning, it was
like only a handful of us and little Chris would always be
like, they call me Trig. They fucking gave me this name
where I was fucking wiry and andhe was and he pulled me aside
one time. I think we got it a little
scuffle downtown or something. And he was like, if you look for

(36:38):
reasons to be offended, you'll find plenty of reasons to be
offended. You know what I mean?
That's funny. So it's one thing to be
obviously offended. It's another thing if you're
looking for reasons to be offended.
You know what I mean? Yeah.
Yeah. And that's a really great
perspective. And to learn from a guy
profoundly respect you. This isn't crazy like that,
something so simple like that. And he's 100% right.
Yeah, if you're looking for, if you're looking to be a victim in

(37:01):
any sense of that work, absolutely, Yeah, you're gonna
find it. Yeah.
And that goes, I think that goeswith anything you do in your
life. That goes for your work, that
goes with your family, that goeswith your social, that goes with
everything. If you're looking for that
negative aspect of something, damn it, you're gonna find the
world has tons of negativity. I love the positive people
around my life. And I think that's why I stay
with those people more than anything else.
I never cut off the negative people because maybe one day

(37:22):
I'll be that positivity that they need.
Yeah. And also, you know what?
They have a new life because I've been negative, dude.
I've had hate my heart. I've had man, I've had anger and
hate in my heart, my whole soul mind, I've had it.
And and I think a lot of it was like put into me, like I did it
to myself. That self loathing, that body
dysmorphia, the never good enough thing.

(37:43):
And then of course, no one wantsto take responsibility.
Yeah, man. So what are you gonna do?
You're gonna blame that person. It's somebody else's fault that
you did that. Yeah.
And, and I've had a lot of people that have helped me out.
And I think that's something else that goes back into the
whole like the weight training and bodybuilding and yeah,
powerlifting is honestly, I almost teared up one time
because one of my friends and known him forever and he, he's a

(38:05):
dad and he lost his parents and he's a great guy.
And he was telling me that because of my videos with my
son, his son and him are workingout and they are getting the
healthier. He says the fact that we're just
doing bonding and all this stuffbecause the fact that he lost
his dad, it's such and like he was close to his friends.

(38:25):
I was not super close to my father at all.
I was relatively close to my mother.
But my cousin Lenny, the one wholike got me out of my shit, he
was the closest one I ever had to like what I would consider a
father figure. He's 10 years older than me,
always looked up to him, but that kind of stuff, he always
hits me and I love that. Like when my friends, like when
I see my friends with their kidsin the damn gym or they're or
they're not only just the gym, they're spending time with their

(38:47):
kids or their loved ones and doing something like, oh, when I
see when I see people like building motorcycles with their
kids. Yeah.
Or building cars with their kids.
One of my friends, Justin, he's he owns a tire shop up in the
Sun Valley and one of the hardest working men I've ever
met. Like another one of that, it's
amazing how many hard workers I know.
And I think that's probably why I'm successful, is going to hang
out with those same people. This guy there, like I'll watch

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and his kid does a lot of cool stuff, like he's into gymnastics
and does all this crazy stuff, but he never stops.
But he doesn't forget to take time and like work with his son
on a car and still build that passion at 101 time.
And to me, that's dude, I was like, it makes me every once in
a while snap back into like, Hey, Mac, your dad, your dad.
Granted, my kids are older and I'm I'm not in that total age of

(39:30):
when they're that two to six, which is a big one.
And I want to say that early teenage stage is very big for
kids. My kids are definitely a little
bit older and Oh, thank you, brother.
And they're definitely getting so like they're off on their
own. My daughter freaking love that
kid. She's I feel bad for whoever
marries her. She's just like me but meaner
cuz she's short and little. People are mean, it's just what
they are. Yeah, she's little.

(39:53):
Oh, she's damning on midgets. She's 5 two.
Yeah. Like she she little people.
Like she's like under little. People like that are are mean
bro. I know.
Yeah, she and she acts like me. Yeah.
And then I feel bad for people that have to deal with her in
the future. Sorry, guys, but it is what it
is. No, but.
And they're off doing all their own things.
And and I now looking back on itand stuff they say and do really
makes me know OK I did a good job.

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Because during my my daughter's graduation, they had to write,
write a quote of something they're thankful for or who they
want to thank. And I know some exact words, but
she wrote something like, I wantto thank my dad for always tell
me that there's more to me, thatthere's more to me.
Enough's never enough for me. You can always do more to always
be pushing because if you stop pushing, you're starting to

(40:37):
failing. And to me, I don't even know my
I didn't realize I had that effect on.
My you succeeded. Yeah, And that's like, I was
like, yeah, dude, I like it. So I was like, it's amazing.
Like a kid sometimes will get that to you.
And especially like a little kidlove you Papa and all that kind
of stuff was great. But once your kids start to
become adults and then you realize that all right, man,
this is where they're going to be.
And that's with my son too, being 16 years old and going to

(40:58):
the gym and doing really good inschool and then also working and
still being good. And like that kid does more
stuff around the house. Then I think if you combine me
and my wife and my daughter combined, that boy still knocks
us out of the water. Hello, son of this.
I swear to God, like he will wake up two hours before school.
He showers, he feeds the dogs, he takes out the garbage, he

(41:18):
wipes the counter. He's does all that stuff before
and I wake up at 5:45 to go to the damn gym.
That kids already up and doing stuff.
You know what I mean? To me, that was like, that
wasn't me when I was a kid. My dad had a legitimately live
wire slap maybe going I was like, so that's really cool.
And that's why my son, like, daughter, that ain't her.
That girl will sleep until Thursday if you let her.
But we know when she's up, she has passion and that go with

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that kind of stuff. But yeah, I love that.
I think the kids are really helping me out.
That's why when I see all these like younger people with their
kids, I would say people like, I'm that old, I'm 45, I'm not,
I'm old, but no. But to see these people with
their kids and I love that stuff.
I love seeing that kind of stuff.
And when they call me and tell me, hey, because of you, yeah,
I'm doing this or I have a lot of people that are reaching out
to me. They're like, hey, I've been
following your journey and I'm and they start sending pictures

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of themselves doing this stuff. Yeah.
How do I do this? Yeah.
Like I love it and it's like always do train, man.
I don't understand what's happening with me.
I don't know how I'm doing it. I just, I just, I work out a lot
just one day at a time. And to me it's I honestly, I
like it. I just, it's, I think it's like
for instance, at the club, you do a lot of stuff for your club,
right? You do a lot of stuff for your
family, right? Do a lot of stuff for your
friends and you're always doing stuff for them.
I think the gym is the one placeI go and it's for me.

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It's not for yeah, there's benefits.
That's good for the other people.
It's OK to be selfish. Yeah.
And to me that's like an hour and a half in the morning or
that two or that. And then when I go back at
night, like 2 hours a night, I'mthere for me.
Like I get to listen to some Barbie girl or Marilyn Manson.
It's it's the man. I have the weirdest playlist.
Yeah, yeah. And honestly, when I do late
day, yes, I do late day. Stop messing with me.

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Yeah, I do it. They're just little.
I listen, I always listen like chick music.
They're like, what do you listento?
Because they're like, I'm reallyinto they're like, what do you
listen? I was like, I'm listening to
freaking Avril Lavigne, freakingplane skater boy right now.
That's what I'm like, dude. But then when I'm doing my big
stuff, I'm doing my then I'll dolike chess, all stuff.
I listen, I'll listen to listen to Marilyn Manson or I'll listen
to some old school rap. I'll just fuck.
I went into a country phrase forsome reason.
I know I like, I think music, ithelps me do all that stuff.

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But it's funny is that's kind ofstuff.
So I think that's like my mentalclarity where I try not to freak
out as much. Yeah.
Stressful jobs. Yeah.
Stressful club. Yeah.
Stressful. Fair it.
Is man, I got to tell you this though, just to go back to
Harley real quick. I've never ever bought anything
from a car from a dealership of any kind.
And then last year on Christmas,being able to buy myself a
fucking motorcycle was a cool. That was cool.

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But it was also just Reno Harleyspecifically.
That was a cool experience, man,You know what I mean?
It was in and out. It was fucking quick.
I had to repair my credit for the last 10 years, but having a
fucking good credit now, which helped, you know what I mean?
And having not a insane credit score or not an insane interest
rate, interest rate, bro, being able to pick up a 2024, dude, I

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don't know. That was a cool.
That was a really cool fucking feeling.
Last night, you know what I mean?
Yeah, dude, I'm always proud of that kind of stuff too.
That's the other thing I really love about that stuff is like.
One. Yeah, you see?
You don't just see a motorcycle that somebody bought, you see.
Fuck, dude. I wonder what that happened.
Yeah, I see. What they did to doing that,
there's like a few parts of working at Harley that honestly
I love the most. There's some, I mean, there's
stress, there's all that kind ofstuff and everything that you do

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is going to have that. But some of my biggest, my
favorite things, I there's some people that I'll never forget
that I've helped purchase motorcycles.
I have two soft parts in my heart and every time one of my
fits come to me and they tell meone of these two stories, like
in my mind I was like, bro, I know and do anything I can do to
get this done. And it's the, there's two
specific type of people that I really go for.

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First time riders. Yeah.
And I love the first time ridersbecause this is their, this is
honestly, it's a lot of it's a lot of pressure on this because
is this experience going to pushthem in or out of this lifestyle
of community? I'm not even talking about
clubs. I'm talking about riding just a
motorcycle rider of every kind. If you treat this, this person
wrong and they have a bad experience.

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My first time buying a bike was not a good experience.
Yeah, they might never ride a motorcycle again.
Yeah, it wasn't horrible, but itwasn't good.
You know what I mean? I, I and luckily I was still
around enough people where it kept me going into it.
But it's a lot of responsibility.
You give these people a bad, badexperience and give them a bad
taste in their mouth. You don't help them afterwards.
That's the worst. You buy a bike and then I'll
say, yeah, see you later. I'll see you in three years when

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you want to trade up. I don't want to talk to you
until you want to trade in. No, man.
I have people that come in to mestill, like during shoe
vibrations. I sell all over the country and
I have people that come in my office and want to take pictures
with me to do that right there. Let's.
Create a culture. And I love that and the other
group of people. And honestly, it's, and I think
this one is the biggest 1. And I still remember this one
gentleman and he was like, we had this old, I want to say it

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was like an early rogue glide. It was that I called it Purple
Rain, the Prince Purple Rain. It was a purple rogue glide.
It was just hideous. Yeah.
That's rough. It was horrible.
This old gentleman came in and Iwant to say he was like, he was
retired. He was like in his late 60s to
the early 70s. Mark.
Yeah, and it was his birthday. And I didn't even know that was
his birthday until I was doing the credit application.
He's just looking at this bike and he's.

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I was like, what? He's a man.
I had one I rode when I was younger and then I had family
had to sell, had to take care ofmy wife how to do this.
And he had to be a man. Yeah.
And you know, and he's this wifepassed.
His kids were moved out. Yeah.
And he was sitting there lookingat this bike and I was like,
what? I was like, I do the salesy
thing. Hey, what could, what?
How do I do? He's like, I'm gonna be honest

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with you. It's a pipe dream.
I can never afford this. He's I'm on fixed income.
He's I can, he's I can barely. He's honestly, if it's $150.00
or less, I could do it. But like to buy a motorcycle,
it'd be like under 150 bucks with almost nothing out of my
pocket. It's just it's a tough ask.
Yeah. So I went over there and I said,
you know what? Can let me just see, sit down,

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hang out. You want a yoohoo?
I love selling you. I think yoohoo's is better than
water. So yeah, I want a you breaks.
Nice. I sat down, I talked to him, I
went over and talked to the sales manager at the time.
Then it was Tony who actually became one of my closest, really
became one of my closest friends, inspired me in a lot of
ways. He actually also became a club
brother. He taught me tons of stuff and I
was talking about like I told him the story and this is how

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like when you see these hardcoresales guys and also you see them
like also you see them not as that person you see was the real
person, that man behind the counter kind of thing.
He was like he gets in the competition.
He's go out there and tell this guy if he has $400.00 down, I'll
get him under $100 a month. Damn.
And we went out there and I so pissed the guy and I and I said,

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and it's your birthday too. I was like, bro, I was like for
$500 down I can get you at like what?
Like in the 80s, yeah, for 400 because this.
And he was like, because I have 500 bucks.
I was like fucking sold. Let's do this, let's do this.
And I, so we wrote it to us because he drove there.
So I had, we drove it to his house, wrote it to him for his
house. This guy like the smile on his
face the whole time. That dude, he came in for weeks

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always. Hey, what's up, Mack?
Hey, thank you. I meant for that amount of time,
his very first phone called me. He did call and call me an
asshole. I was like, what the fuck?
What happened? He's like, man, I came in to buy
glasses and I didn't even buy the glass.
I bought a God damn. Motorcycle.
I was like, bro, the motorcycle has a windscreen.
You're fine. Yeah, but it was his birthday,
so I was like, come on in, man. Now he has to paint it because
it's purple. No dude, he loved the color.

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I was like no, he even kept. He even called it purple Rain.
That was his name on it. He put those damn bullet hole
stickers on it. I was like bro, it's yours.
You do you bro, you do you. Fucking stoked for.
Him, No Fear. He comes.
Yeah, that's all right. You loved it, bro.
I had the CD player that you know how gangster.
That's dude. Yeah, I wish my my guy the CD
player. Yeah, yeah, my kids don't know
what CDs are. Dude, that makes me feel fucked

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up. Dude, I like that.
Does. That's rough.
Yeah, like. Oh yeah, dude, we were doing
that in my house. We're like going through VHS and
stuff like because all my. I don't have a single VHS in my
house I don't think bro. The tape or the player?
Either dude, I have boxes of allmy stuff when I was a kid
because I'm old as shit. So everything came on like you
think I had to hand crank these goddamn things when I was
growing up. So I'm like talking about so we

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had, so we had all these old assvideos, videotape.
And you know what the worst fucking part is?
I have 6V HSDVD players still. Do you know not one of those
goddamn things will hook up to aflat screen?
Oh, they won't. No, I had to go buy a shit ass
tube television just so I could watch the goddamn.
I was like sitting over there and heavy as shit too.

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I don't even know what the fuck they're those things are made of
like unobtaining or something. It's fucking heavy.
But we were sitting there watching that and it was so
fitting. My kids.
Yeah, you're right. Like right now, if you're like
on your phone, you're listening.Just skip this on, dude.
You can just say, hey, I want tolisten to this one.
Yeah, there. Yeah.
On ACD, you said what track was that?
Yeah, fuck it. Was it 17?
Oh, there's a hidden track. You have to push this 37 times.
Yeah, and but we're sitting there and we're watching the

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VHSS and I was like, and I was telling.
I was like, oh, you guys think I'm a Dick.
My dad one time was mad that I wasn't eaten by a shark.
They're like what? I'm like, no, I'll show you.
My dad was an asshole. I'll show you this shit.
We're out in Monterey Bay, SantaCruz area, and I was, it was me
and my buddy Jeff Fisher. He was like my best friend
growing up in high school. We're on and we're way out

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swimming way past where we should have been.
But I was boyance as hell being fat.
So I was like, we're I can just float back in, but we're
swimming way out in there. And for some stupid reason I
would put money on that. I saw like a golden retriever
like 150 yards out in the middleof the ocean.
So I'm trying to fucking save this damn dog.
It's not fucking dog. It's a damn sea lion.
Oh, OK, OK, OK. So me and my friends are fucking

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trying to save this damn dog. That ain't a fucking dog.
And so finally we come swimming in and then I watched the tape
years later and my dad. So when I got there, my mom was
like, oh, there's sharks out there.
So my mom yelled out shark. My dad's shut your mouth, I'm
videoing this and she's like where's the boys?
Right there And you could see and it's so crazy.
You can see me and my buddies little dumb ass heads bopping

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out of the water and then just fins coming in hot.
Love it. And then all of a sudden you see
more fins coming now. And after you watch the video,
what it was is like I was chasing the damn fucking sea
lion. The shark was chasing after the
sea lion and us and these fucking dolphins came over and
started fucking with the sharks and that's what saved us.
I was like, dude, I would have been eating my goddamn shark

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trying to save a stupid dog. That ain't a fucking dog.
You're just watching your dad. Just.
Watching my dad the whole time was just like telling people to
be quiet because he was like, he's going to send it to hard
copy probably. That's not old enough.
That was like, that was TMZ backin the day, hard copy.
And I was like, you want to sendthat stuff in?
Finding his home videos, like, hey, my dad, my soul was eaten
by a shark and his dumb ass. No, but I was telling them I was
like, yeah. I was like, you think I'm bad?

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My dad was mad I didn't get eaten.
Yep. Like they were going through
some stuff. I was like, that's a huge.
I was like, one of my friends just was going through my
Facebook the other day and they're like, oh, look how cute
you are with your broken leg. I was like, yeah, how'd you
break your leg? Oh, my dad threw me out a
window. Damn bro.
Because we were building our house out in front and kind of
like how this is up here, right?Yeah, there was a they were

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building the house. My mom and dad built their
house. And I I was one of those little
bouncer things, like the little wheelie bouncer things that you
put your kid in when you're trying to.
I kept coming over to him and hedidn't like me.
So one time he just got mad and he grabbed the damn thing and he
like threw it and it threw me out the window.
And I don't think he says it wason purpose.
I think it was anyway. But but when it came out, I

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broke my leg and dude and everyone I was like, so Rocco, I
might have spanked you a couple times, but this song threw me
out of the window. Like I was like calm down.
I just like I just married. That generation was different.
Dude. Yeah, we grew up like, dude,
just some of the stuff that I went to when I was like, because
I lived out in the sticks, out in friendly, you know where the
golf courses in friendly. So you go over to the canal.

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I live like 3 miles out into thefucking wood.
He's like my nearest neighbor was like a mile away and the
nearest Page street was like 5 miles away.
It was just like I lived middle of nowhere.
And I remember one time I got bit by a rattlesnake coming home
because like we'd be dropped offat the bus stop and we'd just
run through the desert to get home.
And I got bit by a damn rattlesnake and there wasn't

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cell phones. There was like the phone.
My dad had a cell phone. There was like the old Zach
Morris ones that you only turn along because you only had a 15
minute. So you only turn along if you're
going to call somebody you it wasn't on.
And I remember I got bit and it freaked me out.
And so me and my sister get homeand I'm calling my dad call my
mom called. No one's answered the damn
phone. My parents show up 4 hours later
and my dad shows up and I was like, I was bit by a rattlesnake

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and you could see that was on myleg.
And he was like, he's like, how long ago?
I was like 330 when I got home. He's oh, you're fine.
You'd have been dead like two hours ago if you.
And I was like, that was the kind of generation right now.
He's so loving. Yeah, I.
Was like, dude, I was like, I remember there was another time
that he was telling me like there when I got bit by a Black
Widow because he watched me playwith the scorpion.

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He's just sitting around playingwith the scorpion.
He's oh, that'll be funny. And then a damn Black Widow.
I was like man, living in Fernley now in the old States
was like man, and that's probably why I don't like, I
don't like spiders and snake people.
Bunny, I don't get it. Friendly people are just
different. Bro Yeah, dude, yeah.
There wasn't much to do out there.
The fuckery was high when I was younger.
Like you only had three things to do and two of them were
illegal. So the other one was trying to

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make babies at 12 so. There you go.
Yeah, fuck. Yeah, that's those are the three
things I used to ride my dirt bikes all over.
Like, yeah, I think one of my dirt bikes is still in the
middle of the canal because I try to jump it.
Yeah, I did not make. It not successful.
No, it was a 50. I barely made it up the damn
hill. Yeah.
Then I got swooshed away. Yeah, to be young and stupid.
Now I'm just old and dumb. It's like I was telling somebody
I was like one of my friends, she's she's turning 2022 here

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soon and she was just telling mehow she was out partying and
just I was like, I played that song.
I was like, man, To be young, wild and free.
I was like, man, I'm old. I'm old, great and rented.
It just sounds like I have a whole new like I look at the
people that are like, I still try to go out and I was like,
dude, tell myself I'm dude. I like being in bed at 9:00,
Doc, You know what I'm saying? I do.
I just my, I just didn't go to bed last night till I didn't get

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home till 2:30 in the morning. And I wake up every morning to
go to the gym at 5:30. So no matter what, like no
matter what time I get home, I still have to go to the gym in
the morning. And I was like, I'm sitting
there kicking myself but. I was going to ask you, I was
curious what you thought now that street vibes is coming up,
because obviously we got some stuff going on with, you know,
Harley. It's going to be a busy weekend.
We're, I think collectively as acommunity, we're trying to take

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that event over and it's been successful in the last couple of
years. Really it's even bigger.
It's I'm really glad because I'll be real.
Like what got me into motorcycles specifically because
I didn't come from motorcycles and I didn't and I started it
16, you know what I mean? No one got me into motorcycle.
I just love motorcycles. And what got me into it was the
spring was the fall rally in downtown Reno, you know what I

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mean? It was.
Cool everywhere bikes. All bikes up and down the street
and fucking just like the vents.It's huge.
It felt like a huge rally. And then it slowly became a
biker mall. Yeah, wear T-shirts and rings.
And no, like cosplay. Thank you.
You know what I mean? And yeah, I remember doing that.
I don't think I missed an event from the time I was four years
old. Yeah, you know what I mean?

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And then I remember when it got moved, I was with my kids, and I
try to take my kids. I got kicked out, yeah, you know
what I mean? And I was like, fuck this dude.
Like I had a vengeance. You don't.
Understand like we're going to. Do this over and what's
happening at revision, what's happening at Reno Harley in
Virginia City and fucking it makes me glad, you know, because

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that's because this is real. These are dudes like who?
Who is more profound motorcycle enthusiasts than dudes in
motorcycle clothes? You know, we're saying who else?
It's the one thing that you're gonna tell.
Those guys that they can't, it doesn't make.
Any the one thing you have to bein the MC, it's right in there.
Yeah, motorcycle you have to have it for sure.
Otherwise that's just go play bridge.
I don't. Yeah.
For real. Yeah.

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It's like they're not gonna havethe.
They're not gonna have the guys who are the most profound
enthusiasts You. Know what I mean?
It's like it doesn't make sense.It doesn't make.
Sense I love that that's true it's like I was really stoked to
see that you guys are doing yourbike show over there cuz we've
done it a few years I mean our club still does one the the
biggest little one like we. Yeah, the biggest little bike
show is is me and Mac. You know what?

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I mean that one back from and this one here's gonna be a
freaking amazing. I love that.
And I was and there was like, why do you guys do it at Harley?
I was like, you know what? I'm gonna be honest with you.
They're like what's up? I'm glad that it's at another
location. And they're like why, why?
Come on. When it's a lot of work to put
on a bike show, I meant, And I don't think people realize that.
They just say, oh, it's a bike show.
How hard it could be. You put out some Flyers.
And I was like, bro, do you knowthe work that goes into doing
this? Yeah.
You have to find sponsors. Yeah.

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You have to find people who maketrophies or buy trophies.
You have to find a spot. Yeah.
You have to make it successful. It's so much stress and like,
you have to market and you have to market and the risk to reward
is so astronomically horrible. Yeah, But until it's done.
And then you fucking cloud, man.What's?
And what's cool is revision to Reno Harley is a 10 minute ride.
You can do it all that's. What I was saying that's.
Yeah, and it's cool to not. It's cool to do it all.

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That's what I'm saying, I was telling people.
It's almost cooler than downtownbecause it's just one spot
downtown. You're stuck there, you're done.
And that's where I was. That's where I was talking about
earlier with some of the guys atHarley and some of the other
event place that we're working with.
Yeah. And I was telling them all if
everything's at one location, itbecomes stale so quick.
People come here to ride. Yeah, for sure.
They come here to ride motorcycles and yes, I want
people to come to Reno Harley. I want people to buy bikes

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because it's obviously cool. It's a cool thing to buy your
bike at a why don't you think people so many people buy their
bikes at Sturgis or Arizona bikeweek and all or Daytona bike.
That's why they do it. It's man, I bought my bike at
St. vibrations and all that kindof stuff.
But majority of the people that how many people come in here.
So in words, sometimes up to 10,000 bikers come in, they come
to ride, that's what they're here for.

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And I think having it like like you were saying all downtown,
you'd ride to downtown and but there was really nothing else to
do. You might go up to VC.
But now how it is like with revision Reno Harley doing their
stuff VC and I know in the future we were talking about
like getting to other places like involved all over the place
and making it almost like a pathway because some of the
clubs here do a really like the kind of house run is on that

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one. Love that freaking event and
it's I love those rides too. I don't get to do many of them
because I'm working all the timeon them now.
But I love the fact that I'm telling people, and you know how
weird it is for a had to have sales people tell you to leave
the store? Yeah, They're like, no, oh, you
have to go check out this. Yeah, go check out this.
Come back here because I got food.
Yeah, because we're doing tons of stuff.
We're gonna have go look at foodand we have that wheel of death

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or the ball of death. I was like, and you got some
vendors who are whose vendors? Oh, you got emotional clothing?
Emotional, I think we got, I think Bassani's coming.
We got a lot of, we have a lot of them and they keep, I want to
say we have 30, almost 32 vendors coming in.
Nope and that. Is bottle coming?
I don't know, I remember we weretalking about that for a while
and honestly, we have a new marketing guy and they took a

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lot of responsibility off of me and I appreciated it.
Yeah. Because I was like, my, my focus
needs to be on what I'm doing. So we have a really cool team
down there now that really just they do all the grunt work that
like what you're doing right nowwith the building up the the
event. If I had to do that and run my
floor, what's failing? Yeah.
So luckily they hired some people to help me, like really
do that. And my favorite thing is I can
legitimately just come up with something.

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Hey, I want to do this. Yeah.
And they're like, yeah, they come up with the Flyers for me.
They come up with the the legality of it because that's
the word, dude. I just sucked the stupid pops in
my head and I want to do it. These guys here make sure I
don't get sued, which is always nice.
I do appreciate not going to prison, but that's always fun.
But yeah, it's like stuff. And so I like the fact that VC
is doing a fun run. Yeah, VC is always a blast.

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And then revision. And like I see in the future, I
kind of share your view of it. Like I want to see in the next
shit 23510 years to be this to this be.
All be over here. Bro, a Reno event where it's not
just oh, it's at the J or it's at yeah, it's or it's at Reno
Harley or it's at BC because youhave to think like for a couple
of years there if. If you just in the Reno.

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Place it was just I want it to be like you're gonna come to
Reno and everywhere you go there's something and it's
organized and it's like where all the people that are doing
something great are communicating with each other
say hey we want to join with this we want something to start
here we want there to be a reason for everyone to go and
you have to think everyone's gonna come to Reno Harley that's
just if you go to a bike week nomatter where you go yeah you go

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to the dealership it's just it'sthe hub center and to have 45610
other locations that want to celebrate the community of
biking and being bike riders andmotorcycle clubs and all that
stuff and be able to tell them hey yeah this here's the here's
a map of all the cool stuff to. Do yeah, that's cool and.
The other thing is, and on that sample, you're talking about
being kicked out. It's crazy, like being a huge

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part of your life is being a part of a motorcycle club.
Anybody who says that it's not abig part of their life isn't in
the right club. I agree.
It's just like I was like, I love hate my club all the
fucking time. They're like my brothers, legit
brothers. I love hate you all the damn
time. And it's a lot of work because
it's just. They're a servant to your club.
Yeah, yeah, it's, I tell people all the time they think of
being, oh, you're the VP. That means you're the do you
know? No, VP stands for Varsity

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prospect. That's what I think that VP
really stands for. That's what it's like.
All it is, it's a title. It's a job title that they give
to you because they think you can do it.
And the clout that comes with itis external.
Yeah, and it's not from the clubbecause my club doesn't look at
me as VPO. I'm untouchable or you're the P,
you're untouchable or you're theSA.
You're the No, They look at the man.

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That's the guy that we entrustedthis with.
And this is the job. No, it's a job.
It's a job. This.
Is what I like to. I can always tell by how clubs
operate, is where they're at. I don't care if you're the
president where you made member 10 minutes ago, you should have
the same amount of power, you know what I mean?
There's no power in being the president or vice president.
It's just a job. It's a job.
It's a fucking role. It's a responsibility that and

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you can tell how good the club. I've also been able to tell this
too. You can tell how great the club
is and how great the officers are by if they even wanted that
position. Like our essay?
Now you always know. Our essay right now.
Nobody wants his fucking job. No, it's.
It's like. You're the first to fight,
you're the 1st to get, you know what I mean?
Neither one of them wanted it, but they both would accept it.

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Because if that's what it's the same with the VP, it's like,
because I've done, I've been Rd.captain, horrible.
I do not. I am not capable.
I don't want to pay attention towhere we're going.
I want to fucking ride, man. I was like, look at that's
fucking pretty. You see that bear?
That's all I want to say. Yeah.
So Rd. Captain, I still am bar manager.
And then that was treasurer, which was honestly, I think
that's one of the craziest shotstoo.
It's the scariest job who it is.Treasurer in a club that's the

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only one that'll get you killed.Not only that, you know what
else? I think it's like something that
people don't realize. The treasurer, I think, knows
more personal stuff than anybodyelse in the.
Club, yeah, What's going on in everybody's?
Financial stuff because now heart of this is a man to go
talk to another man. I can't pay my dues this month
because I'm not getting my hoursor something's going on with my
wife. And to go to that person and

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open up to somebody that's yeah,they're your brother.
But still I don't like people know that I'm going through
hardships. And so I think being the
treasurer, like, I think that's a, that's definitely one of
those jobs. I think it's a very underrated
and hard job. And it's, and I did that one for
a few years and it's true. Like knowing the personal
business. And then when you as the
treasurer kind of make a decision, you have to stand by
that decision. You have to explain to the P and

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VP, hey, what's going on, man? You know what, my brother, our
brothers are important to us. And we make that sacrifice and
like, hey, we'll figure it out. And that's what.
And so it's always us. Yeah.
But you can always tell every time I've ever seen a member,
like our club has gone ups and downs from being one piece to go
into three and for going from way too many members to barely
making the numbers to be a club and within a short amount of

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time by seeing all that stuff. And that's why I think I really
do have an appreciation for my club and where we are right now.
Yeah Is every time I saw someonewho campaigned took you to
position, they didn't do well. They didn't do well for the and
they might have done well, but they didn't do well for the
club, in my opinion. Yeah, I hear you like they cuz
they to them they're like that Pmeant I'm the president, I'm the

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big Dick in this thing. I'm the VP, I'm this, I'm the
essay back up. Yeah, and I was like those ones
there never ever did it. And that's where like FIFA, for
instance, he was the freaking essay for damn decade crazy and
then became P. So like he was one of the me and
him. We both went up.
We were both nominated for P andit was the craziest thing was we

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voted for the other guy. I voted for him and he voted for
me. Wow, because that was the things
like me and him had so much respect for what we were.
It's just and we both realized like the jobs that that these
jobs that there are is like likewe both knew we could do them.
Yep. We both knew that the other one
could do them. Yeah, but the thing was like the

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so we really wanted to hear the club.
Like the reason I think we votedfor each other subconsciously
was we want, we didn't want, I didn't want it to be up to me.
I didn't want me to be the last vote on it.
Yep. I wanted my club to say, Mac, we
want USP, we want USVP. Yeah, we want you as SA.
We want you as this because that's where we feel you're the
best to support this organization, this club, this

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family. And that's what.
But I've noticed that every time.
And it's so funny because every time I would see, and this is
other clubs too, but mainly ours, let's say, where you
really get to see the fundamentals of it.
And every time you see someone like we all know what being
patch happy is. Yeah, dude, tab happy is the, I
think it's 10 times worse. Yeah, because, dude, the patch,
you're gonna get that little bitthin, but you're gonna get

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checked relatively quick. Yeah, but you get this tab.
And you see a thing change in people bro.
I've seen good dudes get a patchor a tab and change.
Like that? Yeah, that's.
Why? That's why that prospect program
is. Important.
Oh 100% and. That's you learn everything
about a dude in Four Seasons of their life.
Bro and it was so funny, like I remember we were bringing up
because like I know like your club doesn't drink and doesn't
really like no in general, you guys.

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Aren't I just don't drink. No, but like you guys in general
are not known as the party club.Like once, like my club was the
party club. Like dude, everyone was
partying, it was drinking, it was doing all the fuckery.
And I think that's why I think our club is like, yeah, some of
our guys, they still drink, theystill party.
But like in overall amount, we are, I think we have more
respect for our community, ourselves or our stuff now.
So like we still, they'll still drink, but I don't see like a

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lot of us going out getting fucking destroyed nine days a
week. Do the math on that.
Yeah, nine days a week that theyjust didn't sleep for three
days. They just, I'm gonna fucking
party for 37 hours straight. I mean, I was like, and to see
that transition, but like when you see these people that were
like, no. And they wanted all these tabs
and I've seen them go up and down.
And I was like, when you see these people like want the essay

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tab. And my big thing is since we
don't really like a lot of the guys in my club, we just don't
drink very much anymore. It's not like there's we have so
like. And you also have the you also
have a good amount of the straight edge cast from growing
up in the club, you know what I mean?
Yeah, it's crazy. And everyone's like, I was like
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Thanks so much. Don't drink them all.
It's something I don't drink. I just don't drink.
Yeah, I'm just so big. That's expensive, man.
I'm cheap as shit. I don't want to spend like
$827.00 to get a buzz. No, it's like, lose it 4

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minutes. I was like, you know what I can
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repair stuff. Go check out Slab Size
motorcycle shop. Just don't do it.
But my favorite thing is I remember for the longest time,
yeah, I like, I, like I said, it's not that I don't drink.
I just don't drink. I don't, It's not that I agree
or disagree with what people do with their lives.
I was like, bro, like I'm your brother.
I was like, but I remember for along time we were talking about
how we didn't want prospects to drink or do drugs or do anything

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or party really while prospecting, Right.
And to an extent I believe that like out in an event, like if
we're here, we're there. No, man, you straight up.
But I wanted, but like I I took an example from another really
well known club that we were really close to.
They had a solid ass prospect. Dude was solid prospecting for a
year, like over a year. They had time.

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Dude, he was one of the most solid guys I've met the whole
time. Yeah, he got a patch and then
and that club it was 0 drinking 0 partying yeah during your
prospecting and I respect that and we were so very similar on
that aspect. I and it's so funny and it
coming from me was different because I was like the one who's
I've never even I've never even smoked weed man I'm just like
I'm just I don't know I like food yeah I like some clubs.

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Those are my vices yeah, but I was like no, I think we should
lick them, especially amongst us.
Let's we go out to bar and let them drink, let them do this
story. But why?
I'm all cuz in anywhere from a year to two years, that guy's
gonna have a patch on his back. And what happens when he's
allowed to have free range of life?
And now we find out that guy is a piece of shit.
Yeah. And he was just hiding it from

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us because we didn't allow him to be that.
Piece of shit, Yeah, it's got tobe controlled.
Yeah. And I was like, I don't.
We've run into that too. And that's where my thing is.
You put that patch on, you're a piece of shit, and I'm backing
you because you're my brother. Yeah, I'm gonna kick your ass
later. But like, out in public, I got
your back. And I was like, you don't know
about that. And that's what happened with
this other club. Like this other guy, this other
club was he like he didn't last six months?

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And this just shocked us becausewe were so close to him.
And but it was because like he was never allowed to be what he
was. And that's why I was told people
was like, you are who you are. Like you can always try to
change. I like I am who I am.
I'm I always tell people like I'm decent on the outside, piece
of shit on the inside 80% of thetime, but like.
If he's gonna drink, get him drunk one night, 1%, just give
him a bag or something, see whathappens.

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Like just see what? Happens if he's gonna do it.
If he's gonna do it, let him. When he's fucking makes it,
yeah. Just fucking just see what?
He's don't you want to know? Yeah.
That's why things like I want to, you know?
Shoot him, Yeah, you usually getto shoot somebody.
Or what am I gonna happen? Am I liability?
Am I gonna have to get in a fight every time I go to Del
Taco? Yeah, like, no, I don't need
that shit. Like I said, I'm getting old
shit. I think I'm like the second
oldest or third oldest guy in the club right now and I feel

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it. I have to tell.
It's like and it's funny. Hold on one second.
Can we pause that real quick? I gotta go to the bathroom.
I'll go to bathroom I'm. The resource?
I love you, dog. Yeah.
Before I lose it, who's the bikewash?
Is it Twin Peaks or is it man? Honestly, I don't even know.
It might even. I think they will reach out to
like Rap City. It's not going to be Twin Peaks
this year just because they're planning on being really busy

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and all this stuff and I have been working really closely with
them. It's really cool.
They it'd. Be cool to do some bike events
there if there was. We we actually did one.
Yeah, I remember that right whenit started.
It's like a test to see how it was.
We just did one. We did a bike night with them.
I want to say like maybe a monthago, a month, a month and a half
ago, somewhere in there and it was a test run and see how it
went. And so it's crazy.
So Christina is one of the managers over there.

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I love her. She's by far, she's way too
cool. She's actually the one who hired
me over there and. Christina's you one of your
prospects? Yeah, Why?
Yeah. It's so funny.
I actually sold him a bike you. And then he was asking me about
clubs. Yeah, took me.
I love him. Yeah.
And he was asking about club stuff.
And I actually discouraged him from coming my way.
And it wasn't that I knew the guy would make it, but I also
want to make sure that he was ready for it.

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So I really emphasized, I think it like a good person will
always like a good club. Brother will always say, hey,
man, I want you to go and find something.
I want you to look, don't just oh, that's the one because of
reputation. Find the one that you know, hey,
that finds. And he started out with a
smaller club, learned that's something that he tells me all
the time. He learned a lot of the do's and
the don'ts and the goods and thebads with that.

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And then he decided like when itwas time, hey, you know what?
Now that I have a little bit of this information and like now
it's not, I don't want to be a weekend warrior.
And like some people I think will join a club and think
that's what it's like. And then they get that shell
shock. Yeah.
And so he's with that club and he says, oh, cool.
I learned. He learned a lot of stuff from
him. Like I said, a lot of the goods,
a lot of the bads, a lot of the dudes, a lot of the don'ts.

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And it's a good thing about I came up with a one piece.
Like my club when I started, it was a one piece.
Yeah, so I started in a in a twopiece and yeah, I did learn a
lot from that club. I learned a lot of good, but I
learned what I didn't want, you know what I mean?
And I learned a lot. And I, yeah, when it was crazy
how joining an established motorcycle club, who's done it

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right, who's got multiple charges, I know it's supposed to
be like this. I know it's not supposed to be
like that. You know what I mean?
So sometimes learning is also having to fuck it.
Yeah, 100%. And that's what was great about
him. And I remember the first time I
met her, Christine, she came in to basically do the whole I have
to ask my wife. And I was like, you do that.
They're like, yeah, you don't ask your wife.
I'm all. I just asked my wife.

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They're like, you never ask yourwife if it's OK to buy a bike
and I'll just ask my wife if shewants to live with her mother.
I don't. They're like, that's all.
I was like, I'm going to do whatI'm going to do.
Like you can accept what I got. To, but I have to, yeah.
That's fine or you can live withyour mom.
Either way I'm going to be fucked up.
No I was like no no my wife definitely gives me like way
more leeway than most do and probably more than I deserve but
that's probably healthy. I agree like me and her I like

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people that know me. They know I go out way more than
I should and hang out with way more people than I should and do
all them. But like even her, she's like my
mental, my mental abilities to be able to retain stress and all
that stuff. I need an outlet.
And she gets that. And that's I think the strongest
part about it is like she knows that I'm going out.
She knows that I'm going out to be who I am.
And that's someone she's we've been together for 20 years now.
Fuck yeah. So she knows like I am who I am.

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And that's something we first talked about.
Like I can't get mad at her for being who she is, just like she
can't get mad at me for being who I am.
Yeah. But yeah, we went over to
Christian reached out to me the say a couple days ago and there
one year is coming up here pretty soon and we want to do a
big blowout bike that we want todo this, that we want to do
bikes and all this stuff. We want to do a great one.
I was like, man, I'm always downto do bike stuff.

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I was like, I love events. I love doing bike nights.
I'm super happy that there's actually quite a few bike nights
that are popping up. I like little bars here and
there and like that the club's still doing.
I think it's fun kind of gettingeveryone in the community to get
back into that cuz I do love bike.
I like, I even love independent bike nights, man.
It's because honestly, when we come to our the club ones, that
sometimes feels more like work. Yeah, I do.
You have to do your highs. You have to do your bias.

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And no matter what, your politics will come in.
Yeah. Hey, did you hear about that,
man? I go to some of these
independent ones. They're just doing stunties in
the goddamn parking lot. That's being absolutely stupid.
I'm all. Oh, my God.
Not one person has asked me haveI heard about this?
Oh, you hear about this person? I didn't hear shit.
You hear? They have tacos here for a
dollar. That's what I that's what I
hear. I really like that.

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But yeah, she wants to do that. And yeah, so she actually, it
was funny, like the way I got started over there.
I went over there to I went overto some of my club brothers.
I was eating and Christian comesup to me.
She's like, hey, Mac, you want to work?
I was like, I have a job. Yeah.
You know this. Yeah.
She's like, so no, I need a bouncer.
I was like, no, I don't want to be a bouncer.
Yeah, she's like, why not? I'm all, I'm old.
Yeah. I already got a job.
You don't want to do it. And then she made me an offer.

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I was like, Nah, I still don't want to do it.
I don't want to do it. She'll tell you what, she's all.
I'll pay you this much and you get two free meals.
I was like, where do I sign? Fuck yeah.
I was like, because their food is fucking violent.
I still go there way too much. Yeah.
Yeah. Like, I think I go there 3-4
nights a week. That's like my perfect after the
gym meal. And the thing I love about some
of the girls that are over there, like Hazel's some of my

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favorite. There's Kendra Hazel, a lot of
these girls over there. Chow, and we were talking about
her a minute ago. That girl craziness in like the
smallest package. Yeah.
I love the fact that they treat people with like, so they treat
me so good over there. They really do.
They're snarky. Some of them.
Ava a little pain in the ass. I love her still too.
It's a little pain in the ass. Sarah over there.
They're super nice And my favorite thing is I they make me

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food this I'm on the menu because they know that I'm like
like I'm on a carnivore diet andI'm really watching what I'm
eating and they go over there and they're like they bring me
like there was one of the girls she brought me because I just
want some hamburger patties, maybe some eggs.
She went over to have the cooks maybe like hamburger patties
with some fried eggs and cheese over.
I was like, yeah, I know. That was the best.
I was like why is this so freaking good?

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Your food is fucking. Fire.
It's good. It's like men's club man it.
Is oh bro. It's like men's club food is so
good. Bro, it's so underrated.
People do not realize. Yeah, they don't.
It's so funny because I remember.
And there's topless. Chicks there's dude, there's
nothing better than sitting there eating your filet and
lobster and nipples. It's or like just you're like,
oh, that's, that's Asia's ass right there.

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Yeah, that's almost heaven, Yeah.
It's good. Oh, Lexi shades in her titties
right now. I'm fucking happy as shit right
now. Yeah.
So fucking chicken wings. Yeah.
No, it's the same thing. Yeah.
I love the food over there and I've been going there for years.
John knows the Cook's names, so.That's.
He's there all. That that's.
Yeah. I, I go there.
Yeah. I think I go there almost as
much as I go to Peaks where it'sjust.
I'm almost there too much. OK.

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But I love. Yeah.
And it's so funny because everyone's really, it's the
food. I was like, have you ever had
it? My wife used to call there while
I was there. Yeah.
I talked to Stephanie, who is one of the servers at the time.
Yeah. And order food through her and
then I'd be leaving, she said. Oh, hold on.
Kendra ordered food. I'm like, what the fuck?
Yeah, she'd get the Roman orgy because that was her thing.
I thought that was something else.
It's good. It's a food.
Thing. Yeah, it's crab cakes, coconut,

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prawns. That's how you know I'm fat.
And I've been there just once. I can recite the damn menu.
Yeah, it has some chicken skiers, some beef skiers, and
then cheese and crackers and fruit.
And I'm allergic to fruit, so I like to eat the fruit first.
Just make everyone fucking freakout that I might die.
I was like, OK, Can you imagine carrying my fat ass out?
Yeah, you're gonna carry my fat ass out of here.
Yeah. I took all my money and I died.
Yeah. Yeah.
No, but seriously, I go there all the time.
The food. I think I get the filet.

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Yeah, there a lot because their steaks are.
I get the filet, dude. It's fucking.
I think this filet is just too much.
That sauce is dumb. And I remember Tony, I started
bringing him there when he started working with me over the
over in Harley Wood. I started working for him as a
bro. You have to have a day of like
half off sushi on Sunday, Mondays.
And I get there for the sake he's like, dude, I'm not going
to eat a strip club. I was like, you say that right?
And then all of a sudden one dayhe's, I'm not gonna have sushi

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at a strip club. So he comes with me.
He's like, can I order my sushi?And he was like, are you serious
right now? I was like, yeah, he took one
bite. Motherfucker.
We, like, started going there every Sunday.
Yeah. So they're getting our filleted
lobsters, getting our through the flame lobsters.
That's the crazy. And it's so funny.
I remember one time my wife, she, she comes in my game room
and she said, hey, babe, what's the, what's your favorite strip
club? And I was like, it depends on

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what you're looking for. What do you mean?
It depends. They're looking for an old
school. Hey, Yeah, don't touch that.
You're gonna go. To This House is always gonna be
my favorite. Dude.
It's gonna be my favorite. That was my first one really.
Yeah, Wild Rock was my first one.
Yeah, was going there when I was18.
Yeah, I was 18 at Spice. Yeah, with my fake Idaho ID I.
Was I did fake. I was at six, I was short.

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I was like 6-4 with a. Beard, 18 years old.
Yeah, they. Didn't say my cousin Lenny
taught me how to get into strip clubs.
Yeah. Without getting carded.
Yeah. He's like, you're big and you
kind of look at. He's like, look annoyed that you
have to be there. Yeah.
I'm like, what? He's like, yeah.
So we go in there and I know youcan play the part.
So I go in there and he was like, I go over there.
I'll be standing there just grumpy.
Yeah. And they're like, all right,
It'll be 10 bucks. That's how, once again, how you

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know how old I am? Yeah.
Shit was 10 bucks then 10 bucks.10 bucks to get in. 25 now bro.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't pay to get anymore.
Yeah, yeah. That's cool.
That's also another reason that's how you go there a lot.
Yeah, yeah. Where you coming in?
And they're like, oh, what's up,Mac?
Your table's ready. Shit.
Yeah, I was like. Yeah, Tequila knows you by name.
Yeah, you know what? I mean, oh, dude, it's so crazy.

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But that was like my SO my wife,she was asking.
She's like, you know what my favorite is?
So she was like, how much is this?
I was like, I don't know how much.
I'm going to be honest. I don't remember.
How much is it? Yeah, so she's.
Do you mind taking me and my 3 girlfriends over there?
See, I twist my arm. Yeah, on my way.
Do I have to put underwear on orcan we just do this free ball,
you know? So take her out there.
And it was funny. So her, we meet her four friends
there and as they're going and I'm behind them and they're, oh,

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it'll be this, whatever it was. And they see me there.
Oh shit, Matt, come on in. Bringing the girls with me.
So we're going in there passing the sushi.
Of course, all the girls there. I've known a lot of like Ellie's
done tons of our. I'm sorry, Ellie's done a lot of
our bike washes and so is Alaskaand so many, all of them.
Jesus, God. They have worked with us on
multiple cases for multiple things and sort of going through
then all the girls give them hugs and all managers, all that

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stuff. And they're like, hey, Mac, I'm
sorry. They said, we didn't know you're
coming in. So they put my reserve table off
to the side. And I can hear in the
background, because I'm shaking all the hands, kissing all the
babies, the babies. And we are going around and I
can hear my wife's friend go, like, how often does he come
here? Yeah.
And Kendra's not often, like maybe four or five times a
month. They're like, that's not a lot.
They're like, yeah. No, she's, I don't have to cook

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for him. So this is pretty fucking solid.
It was like, that's the same thing.
It was like, so, yeah. I like men's because men's men,
they support, they do. They support motorcycles per SE,
and none of the other clubs, There's clubs in town that don't
support us whatsoever. They're in opposition to us,
yeah. No, it's just crazy.
I won't support. But there's also clubs that are

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just indifferent, they don't care, you know what I mean?
Yeah, they're hey, don't bring shit in here and.
Record for sure. Yeah, yeah, that's great.
But men's is a support. Support like they legit, they
like, they actively support the community.
Yeah, to me, and that's why I'vealways, we always say in our
life, we always support who supports you, respect who
respects you. And yeah, that's 100%.
That's the men's club. That's to the T Like they're
always calling me if they like, if I ever need anything, which
is cool as I don't know if you know this, but they have, they

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got a new owner now. Oh.
OK. Dude, solid guy and I know he's
a new owner, a new manager, he'ssome kind of he's taking over
and he's a solid fucking dude And and it's so crazy.
Like those guys, the people thathave been, like I said, been
going there since I was 18. And I think of the reason I
really do love it because I love, I used to like all the
other ones too, but because theywere like they were strip clubs,
man. This is a gentleman's club and I

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think I'm a gentleman occasionally I have my moments
and I like the fact that there'sa they're just fun.
Like a Raven is legitimate. I think one of the coolest girls
there ever. So I got my logo tattoo.
Yeah, I seen that. Yeah, and this girl here I.
Seen it on her eyes at the thing, yeah.
I I was like this girl here, like the most that to me I was
like. That's.

(01:21:25):
High she is yeah and it's so funny if you ever talk to her
cuz like she I love the way her looks she's very just like that
kind of like that gothic pinup yeah look and so you don't know
what to expect from her and thenyou sit and talk to her yeah and
she is like one of just the mostlike down fun people and I think
that's you know what I think thegirls from strip clubs had the
same the same things that we have to do that persona of

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they're oh they're just a bunch of stupid they ain't got no
they're not smart they're not this dude one of them's a
freaking author yeah dude she's.Going to be off.
Dude, I can't wait. I'm definitely on someone dude.
And these some of these women are like they're called, they go
to call their and their personalities are just so
dramatic. And once you know them, it's
like knowing us, you know, like you and it's so I think maybe
that's why I hang out with so many girls that work there.

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It's because they really, they get, it's like the they really
put on that they had that persona that they have to have.
And my daughter even says that about me.
She's like, yeah. She said, I know that.
She's, I know the real you. She's like the Big Mac that
everyone else sees. You have three different Big Mac
characters that you play out in public.
And she said, I know my dad. Yeah.
And I was. Oh, really?
And they hit you. And I was like, what's that?
Oh, depressed as shit all the time.
Oh, fuck things, Yeah. I've never seen anyone full of

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anxiety. Yeah.
I've never seen anyone worry about so much stuff and try
never to let anyone know about it.
Yeah, that was cool. But no, that's why, yeah.
We should have just fucking. I should have had them sponsor
this episode. Dude, I know.
I'm just a fan I. Know I love I'm probably going
there what's say Saturday I worktoo much Sunday I probably go in
there tomorrow I love that spot fuck yeah and it's yeah and I
love that I remember one time mywife she even asked why you

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don't why do you go to men's or.I was at Twin Peaks so much.
Yeah. And OK, I ain't gonna sit there
and lie that lingerie and I ain't kicking.
It's nice. No.
But I remember one time, like she, I don't think she was
meaning to be a Dick, but she might have been.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna ask a lot of times too, so maybe she can
get back at me. But she's like, hey, I made
dinner and she made everyone dinner.
I went to it again. The kids had their big bowls of

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spaghetti. And this is when I was not doing
my carnivore. I was trying to bowl.
I go in there, this butt hole leaves four spaghetti noodles
and like a spoonful of freaking marinara.
So I might have a microwave pizza for dinner.
I was like some bullshit. Then the next day, go to the gym
and I go and I go in and it's slamming over there.
And if I'm by myself, I don't like sitting at a table.
It feels weird to me. I feel it just feels weird, like

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it's just I more feel weird thatI've taken up a table where they
can have a family and the girls can make real money off of the
tips. Sure.
So I'll sit at the bar, But so Iwent in there and the bar was
like the bar was loaded, right? There's no so I went in like,
Hey, can I just get my can I getmy steak and eggs to go?
They have really good steak and eggs that's on the menu.
They cook it with butter. Fucking love them.
So maybe my steak and eggs out there, like why, I just don't
know. So they let me go sit in the

(01:23:55):
cigar lounge because it was already closed off for the
night. They let me sit over there and
the girls would come in every once in a while just to chat out
with me, make sure I was good, bringing up my 37 sodas because
I drink too much soda. Yeah.
And just constantly I was like, bro.
And then, you know, it's just the fact that they, they, I
think I am there a lot. But the girls there and the
management and even the Don who's one of the directors over
there and Christina, they I think they treat me so well over

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there. I feel like sometimes I forget
that I don't live there. Yeah.
I was like, but we'll be there till closing sometimes.
Yeah. And it's just just hanging out
with them because it's the same thing.
Yeah. I think a lot of people forget
that those girls over there. Yeah, that's their job.
And they're they're there to be like fun and entertainment
because that's what they are. They'll talk around like we're
entertainers. But I think a lot of people
forget, just like everything else, they're the same people.
They're people They have, they're fun to hang out, talk

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to. Their personalities are
dramatically different and just they're always.
But I think it's so funny because I think they get that
cookie cutter thing as we do as girls that work at the strip
clubs. There's this.
Yeah, they feel. Yeah, you're in a category.
Yeah, it's freaking weird. Just tell them.
No, another thing I wanted to talk to you about before we wrap
up. Oh yeah, we're going about,
we're going to, we're getting a little close, but I wanted to

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touch on the Law Tigers. Oh yeah, yeah, Law Tigers just
sponsored our thing. Law Tigers is is now a sponsor
of our podcast and our show An important part of injury.
Fuck we it's not. What do they say about going
down? You're gonna.
It's not if or when. It's you're gonna.
You're gonna fucking yeah. I go down.
I fucking dump my shit all the time, you know what I mean?

(01:25:23):
Get crash bars, fucking whatever.
But another thing that we I wanted to talk about before I
talk about Law Tigers. Law Tigers sponsors this.
Law Tigers is going to be sponsoring a lot of events in
our community. They always do things like that.
They're a big supporter of Reno Harley-Davidson.
I think they're probably, if notthe, I would say one of, if not
the biggest supporter. They've come to every event they

(01:25:43):
have paid for. They have paid for like,
trophies. Yeah, they for the.
For the biggest little bike showis.
Spring. Rally, they did the trophies,
yeah. And they also, what's crazy is
like if anybody who's unfortunate enough to have to
utilize them, and that's what's like you have to use them.
Yeah. But like when you have a company
like that, that legitimately is a good company, you don't feel
like, yeah, that inside it goes away.
And I think that's where a lot of tigers is really cool at.

(01:26:04):
Like when you call them that's they're not trying to pass the
buck that they're going to give.It's like, yeah, we've been
using. I've been, like I said, but
we've been me personally, I've been working with them for five
years. Yeah.
I would say hands down, like oneof the coolest group of people
I've ever had to work with as anevent.
Yeah, there's. Yeah, we've been hit.
Yeah, we've been hit up by lawyers even to like, motorcycle
injury lawyers to hit up this show.
And you could just tell they don't ride motorcycles, bro, You

(01:26:26):
know what I mean? These guys ride motorcycles,
which is cool. They know what they're talking
about. Yeah, one of the girls that's
that's one of the so she was up here last time.
She actually used to work for a Harley-Davidson in California.
She's a rider. She, I mean, these people here
they're Yeah, you like you said,they're not just some lawyers
like, hey, I think I can lookingat this as a meal ticket.
Yeah, these guys here understand.
Yeah. And I think and that's where

(01:26:46):
like, I've never met anyone fromall Tigers.
And I was like Poser. Yeah, No, they're all like they
ride. They ride and they care.
And to me, that's the biggest thing is like about anybody that
like we were talking about before.
Yeah, Law Tigers is gangster. I love the fact that I've
unfortunately, I've had some friends have had to utilize
them. Right.
And they said, bro, that it was,it was way less scary once they
knew they had. Yeah, somebody that actually

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knew what they were doing. Because that's one thing having
someone who says I'll be there for you but follow behind it,
but also knows what they're doing.
Yeah, 100%. Yeah, they're sponsoring the
Baddest Little Bike Show too. What's up everybody?
September 27th is St. Vibes in Reno, NV and I don't
know about you guys, but I miss the way it used to be in
downtown Reno. Bikes line in the streets.

(01:27:28):
It was an event and people wouldcome out.
Well, we're trying to bring thatback with the Baddest Little
Bike Show at Revision Brewery. Come out September 27th at
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(01:27:50):
There is nowhere else to be on Saturday St. vibes.
Then Revision Brewing for the baddest little bike show.
Come check it out. And yeah, just if you're
listening and you're coming downfor string or, excuse me, fall
vibes and you're wondering what to do, you know,
Harley-Davidson, Virginia City is always a must revision.

(01:28:11):
This revision is going to be it's Robert.
It's Mondo from Denver Choppers.Hell yeah, Yeah.
And they're putting that show onand you can do it all.
They're all 10 minutes away fromeach other.
And stay away from fucking downtown and come support events
put on by real fucking bikers. Real.
Bikers like Mondo's a world famous cat, you know what I
mean? And he's right here in our

(01:28:31):
backyard. He's sharing fucking art in my
opinion, You know what I mean? Yeah, if.
You ever seen one of his bikes in person?
It's the next levels. Yeah, yeah.
And so there's a lot of cool things to come.
The other thing I wanna talk to you about is the riding program.
Yeah, Yeah, it's back going. Yeah.
So it's gonna go up and we normally go right until the end
of season. What's that?

(01:28:52):
So the end of season? The end of season.
So the end of season. I know.
Yeah. We don't know what that means.
Yeah, yeah, End of season. I was like.
No choice, Yeah. Me too.
I get I don't care. My seat, the CBOC I just got,
Yeah, dude, that thing there, yeah, I leave it in track mode
and get on the fucking freeways.There he goes.
I don't care. Yeah, yeah, that thing smashes.
Yeah, No, but like towards what they would consider the end of

(01:29:12):
writing season is like what the end of in the October area like
maybe a little into November because we kind of just like
when the weather starts turning or.
People or snowing? Yeah.
Snowing people are kind of like,yeah, I will always what I do
like about our writing Academy more than others and it's and
like I said, obviously I'm goingto be slightly biased towards it
because it's mine. But what I do care what I like
about it is I've heard so many people going to a couple of the

(01:29:35):
other. It's 150 bucks and you're damn,
you're guaranteed to get your license and the things like they
don't. Learn much.
They don't learn. It's like to to me, that sounds
like, give me your money. Yeah, get your license.
I hope you have insurance. It to me like that because I
think most of the time it's likea day, maybe a 2 day course.
It's like 1 1/2 day course whereyou go to a lot of these places
like ours is a three day course.Yeah.

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And it's so funny because like Iknow people that go through that
course still, they've been writing for 1050 longer than I
have and they'll do the course 1.
Like you get a, you get an insurance break on it, which is
really cool. So if you take a certified
course you like, you get a insurance break, which is always
cool. But they actually go through not
only the laws, which I think they get stepped over a lot
because there are a lot of laws that people.
The most important one that I never knew is you can run red

(01:30:19):
lights in Nevada. Should we put should we talk
about that? Yeah, you can run red lights in
Nevada on a motorcycle. You can after as soon as the sun
goes down, right? Yeah, yeah.
And they also have a two light thing.
So if you're in a stop light, ifyou stop at a stop light and it
doesn't cycle because of the weight, you're let it go.
And I know that because I did that once.
And as I looked in my mirror, itwas a Reno PD.

(01:30:40):
He went pulled up behind me and I left and I was like, and I saw
it. I was like damn of.
Course. He knew.
He sat there and I left. I was like, nothing.
Yeah. And that's actually when I
looked into it because I didn't know about that until that
either. Yeah.
And that it's so crazy. So there's all those little laws
that you just don't know about until you go into those things.
Yeah. And then the second day is a lot
of that, like how to ride the safety aspect and where to ride

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in the road, all that kind of cool stuff.
And then third day is like 1/2 day where you take out some
Harleys over to Summit Racing because we rent out their area
and you get to ride some little Harley 500 St. 5 hundreds.
Yeah. And they're.
So if you can drop them or whatever.
But I think it's crazy, like people who've been writing for
longer labs will still take thatcourse.
Yeah. And they still, I've heard a few
say, man, I even learned something.
Most of it, I think for me. And you would be the law.

(01:31:22):
Yeah, that's it. No, I learned some stuff.
I didn't take it until I was already with the president of
this clip, but it was like, we put it in our bylaws, like you
need to do it. So I needed to.
I can't just say, guys, you needto do it if I'm not going to
fucking do it. Yeah, be by example.
Yeah, I needed to just. Yeah, they're gonna be like, but
he doesn't exactly fucking. Yeah, I.
Did too. Yeah.

(01:31:42):
Yeah. The other thing I was gonna talk
to you about is is there anything you can tell us about
the 2026 line at all? Do you know anything?
Cuz I'm gonna have you back off.Oh.
Yeah, oh God, you know what I mean?
As soon as we know I what I loveand hate the most about
Harley-Davidson, dude, they lovekeeping their shit as close to
the best as possible. I do know that they're going to
keep out coming out with the same the big lineups, the

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roadside, the street glides are going to go there.
I do the fact that they got rid of the standard and the special
and St. Now you come and get a road
glide and then you just build what you want to build.
And so you're not getting charged for stuff that you don't
want. So I do I at first I was like,
why? Oh, you have to pay for this?
And I was like, dude, I don't think I used that one whole
time. The whole time I had my 23 Rd.
glide. I don't think I ever used
navigation. So other than what was on my

(01:32:23):
phone. So I was being charged for shit
I wasn't even going to use. So I like that fact.
I'm hoping that they come out with cool colors that they do
cuz honestly this year here I think it was the first time in a
long time where they didn't comeout with some just shit colors.
Yeah, every color this year was fucking solid.
Yeah, they were cool. Colors like a couple years ago
they had that the Wiz Khalifa, the black and yellow, yeah, dude
a. Little much.

(01:32:45):
Dude. Yeah.
And it was the worst. Somebody bought it, dude.
Yeah. Yeah.
Because I put it on sale. Yeah.
It looked like the hot Buster from like a Chinese restaurant.
It was the wrong color. Yeah, I was not a fan of it.
Yeah, some people totally dug it, but honestly, I think
they're going to keep up, come up with the good colors.
I like the I do. The fact that Harley is starting
to move into another, but more into a traditional back to its

(01:33:05):
roots kind of thing is that. Oh yeah.
That's that's I think they'll ever bring back the FX Rs or the
Diners. I would man, I'd give a baby toe
for the yeah, yeah, yeah, dude, it's something notes always
funny we're I get more customerstalking to me about that.
Yeah. Do you ever think that Brown's
like pro? I'd love it and like there's
somebody said I'd love to come back.
Honestly, I understand the reasoning and the politics
behind it, like how the irons all went away and I understand

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it. Yeah, the Sportster was not the
biggest seller. It was a huge seller, but it was
like it was the starter bike andeveryone and that's why it was
so popular. It was the starter.
Bike. Yeah.
It was my first Harley. Yeah, yeah.
And then like a lot and then within about no what you have
about a year and a. Half yeah, XL 1200 and I had
less than a year, yeah. It was.
Out I was. Way outgrown.
Exactly. And especially with your height.
Yeah, it's the same with me. Yeah, dude, I'm on one of those

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things. I look like a rollerblade on the
freeway. For sure.
Horrible. Yeah like if you have to put
forward controls on it, it's probably not for you bro.
Like. When I'm on it, like I was a
hard sneeze from like it being inside me.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was bad. Like every time I stomach
growled, the horn would turn. Yeah, yeah.
No, that's it's bad. Yeah.
So I'm just too big. I mean, I love them.
Like the 72 I think is one of the coolest.
The 40 inch gangster, but like they went to the new revolution

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Max motor and I don't fucking crazy I know and it's so I think
you got a bad rap right out the gate yeah I had no why what why
you did it's the. Same.
It's a 1250, right? Yeah, they have a 1250 and a
nine. Yeah, they have all the
different like sizes of the 875 or whatever the hell it is.
Too small for me. Yeah, I I think you got a lot of
hate. And it's the same reason that
the MH kind of hate. And then and it's change.

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It's just yeah, it's a change. You're used to what you're used
to you like it's it is what it is.
But then for instance, I broughtwhat is it the Pan America St.
over to and I looked over to where's over at Twin Peaks for a
week cuz I strange out the bikesthere all the time I just love
to see you over there right now yeah and I picked that bike up
and I forget that thing there Ifyou don't respect that son of
bitch she gonna get yeah. I was on the freeway and I was

(01:34:51):
in 3rd gear and of course it's in sport mode because.
And that's electronic suspension.
Yeah, electronic suspension and it thing rips.
And so the Pan America St. is the street edition of the Pan
America because the Pan America had more of the knobby tires.
I was meant to go off road because I bought the very first
one that came in. Actually, that's not true.
Sean Ker bought the very first one and I bought the one right
after him because dude, I just want to my size dirt bike.

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And no, that thing was a gangster thing.
But I got on this the Pan America St. and I'm on the
freeway and I'm in 3rd gear and I'm like checking my spot,
making sure I can get over. And I just rolled the throttle
and that damn things just startscoming up off the front wheels
like and I am not a small man byany means.
And that thing just started wanting to come up that thing
there. If that's I would definitely say
if you're looking for that little more of a thrill bike,
like honestly, I could see that kind of taking over some of the

(01:35:36):
like that Dyna bro kind of culture.
Yeah, because the way it rides and I can see people coming also
from the sports bike outside. I think it's a good bridge.
Yeah. I remember what it was at 5-6
years ago. They were talking about coming
out the Bronx that kind of like that R1, like a full fairing.
I don't. Know about all?
That dude, they came in and thatwas the sign.
I was like, and at the time, youhave to think at the time that
was being talked about, my club was a sports bike club.

(01:35:57):
I get it. So I was like, Oh my God, that's
how we're going to get Harley's in this little bitch.
The only thing that got me into Harley's was a bad back.
Mine was weight problems. Yeah, that too, bro.
Yeah, really. I probably would have stayed on
street bikes if I fucking didn'thave a fucked up back bro, you
know what I mean. I get it.
Yeah, because the biggest sportsbike in there is the last.
My last sports bike was the Hayabusa.
Fuck yeah. The Falcon.

(01:36:17):
They used to call me the Falcon Commander, and I was loved that
bike. I still do.
And it's so funny because I'll talk to people all the time
about what transitioned me really from sports bikes to
cruisers because I like I said, I didn't go straight to Harley,
went to Harley because I startedworking there and fell in love
with the brand and all the stuffthat it has.
And now someone, and I'll talk to sports bike people.
I was like, Hey, you know how like when you're just riding
that bike at 65 miles an hour onthe freeway, what you feel now?

(01:36:38):
What do you mean them all? Nothing, nothing.
You'd, I don't feel any adrenaline on a sports bike
until I'm being like overly stupid, not that kind of stupid.
Overly stupid that when you get off the bike, you're like, oh,
damn. What the?
Yeah, kids. I have people that like me
occasionally. Yeah, I have bills to pay.
Yeah, yeah, dude, what the fuck?Yeah, that's the only time I got
adrenaline. Every time we get like we just
got AH2 in one time, one of those supercharged Kawasakis,

(01:36:59):
Yeah, I got on that thing. And the first thing we want to
do, I get on the freeway and I'mdoing a buck $60.00 shoulder.
Why? Because I'm stupid and that's
what that bike wants me to do for sure.
But then, but what's crazy, I tell my mom, but I get on my
roadblock, I get on my diner. Yeah, dude, I get on my freaking
my deluxe and with my freaking Giant, like my 18 years, I'm all
I get the same adrenaline spikeswriting that and just cruising

(01:37:21):
my oh, cruising my Vekla class spikes.
I get that drone just by the loud pipes and all that stuff.
And then I get off my CBO and it's it's a performance bagger
dude, that thing it rides and handles the way it does and I
get adrenaline just going back and forth to work.
So I think that's like the biggest difference.
I think once you once you realize that, yeah, my back
hurts, my knees hurt, but I still want that.

(01:37:41):
And I think that's when you go to the the Harley side of it and
or just the cruiser side in general.
Yeah, because that's The thing is too is like people think
because I work in Harley, I haveanimosity towards all other.
I like 2. Wheels dude I love.
I like 2 wheels everything. I like bicycles bro, you know
what I mean? I'm big, yeah, yeah.
The one at the gym's nice cuz ithas a TV.
Yeah, but and you can listen to podcasts.
Yeah, there you. Go who helped Dude I just such a

(01:38:05):
freaking you can play your phoneinto just.
Watch that. See.
OK. Some of these gyms are getting
really smart. Yeah.
You headed up on this a little while ago, Chris?
Dude, Diamond Gym. Have you or what's it called?
It's called silk. Diamond Yeah, excuse me dude,
you are at least take a tour of that spot.
I go in there. I'm definitely enjoying that
spot up here soon cuz no, because I'm stupid and I'm

(01:38:26):
creature of habit. Yeah, I get that.
And I was like, but I'm growing out of my gym substantially.
That place is cool. That place is gangster.
Yeah, they have some stuff over there that and I have, and
that's the things I still have to keep my gym membership
because that's where my family goes because my family's not
ready for that kind of gym. But I have definitely hit that
aspect where that's the gym I want to go to being in there.
It's if you haven't been in there, do the walk around.
It's just the atmosphere in there.

(01:38:47):
It's where I know, I don't thinkthat's where I would have
started out, honestly, because it's a it's intimidating to the
fact that. It's so I thought it was into.
I went in there man, and I fucking I checked that shit.
It is definitely intimidating atfirst, but like he was saying on
the because I was like you said,it was a it's like it's average
shows. I'm going in there and I'm
seeing some fucking buff ass people in there and they're

(01:39:07):
like, what can I it just it it definitely it definitely.
The people there is not what you're expecting.
Like I said, it's once again it's that pigeon.
But it's Reno shit. It's Reno.
I want Reno shit dude. Yeah, I do want and I love that
spot there. So I'm definitely going over
there. I took the tour.
I talked to him of he's done events over hardly before too.
Like that's why I I think is hiswife that runs the front.
Yeah, dude, she was super cool over there.

(01:39:28):
Give me the full out tour on it.I was like, yeah, and I really
do that and I'm a big fan. But I've always told everyone.
Like he's starting a show. Oh, is he?
Yeah, yeah. What's it called?
He ain't got a name, but he's starting a show.
No, really. Yeah, just that was really and a
high class guy and a vehicle guyand he's really doing.
I love that so. Me too, personally like you.
That's why I'm super happy aboutdoing all this is I am a huge

(01:39:48):
fan of. I'm everything local.
Me too, like I am like, yeah, like I'm always small business.
I will spend a little bit more. You don't have to there.
And that's what, which is crazy,but I will like, yeah, like I'll
spend a little bit more on thoselittle mom and pop stores rather
than going to a Walmart. I'd rather go to some of these
like smaller little cafes. I like, Oh, food trucks, dude,
you can't get more small business than a food truck.
And that's what I love. Yeah.
I mean, dude, we've in our clubs, dude, we've had some food

(01:40:10):
trucks around here and. I'm trying to talk Beth into
doing a food truck, but a bikinicoffee food truck?
Dude, wouldn't that be a dope idea?
I don't drink coffee, but I'd order.
Something for sure. Sell chips.
Who gives? Us.
You got diet sodis, that's all. You got some ice.
You got some ice? Sell Doritos for $5 a.
Bag people, yeah, 100% yeah, I would.

(01:40:30):
I'll support. Yeah, OK.
Thanks bro. Dude, I got you, bro.
Bring it over to Harley every morning, dude.
Yeah. Oh, 100% yeah.
And I would be there because I love.
Portland and Portland's got somecool ones.
Too. Yeah, it's so crazy.
And that's what I love. I love like when small people
like and the like. Another person that really
inspires is my, is my brother Rick.
Yeah, he man, he started a car club when he was younger, went
through a lot of rough times growing up with that.

(01:40:51):
He was, we're dumb. We're dumb when we were younger,
went through a lot of crazy shit.
And then to see where he is now,like he owns his own little, his
own dealerships, the little details.
It's like a super cool spot. And it's and he's about my
daughter's first car that she's financing and was going through
him. You know what I mean?
Because she's trying to build her credit.
Now I know what credit is. And they need to.
Yeah. But I'm always like, I love one
of those. I love every time I see a small
food truck, one that pops up, I always pop over there.

(01:41:13):
Yeah, even if it's not my style of food.
I just want to try it. I that's why I always I always
call food trucks for our for events over there is we could
get catered. Yeah, we can do one of these big
these big places. Chili's will cater for us if we
wanted to. The Canes old cater for us.
Capiati's all those will cater. But man, honestly, what I like
to I like I love sometimes we'llhave a Taco truck come over and
we'll pay like for all of our employees for food, but we just

(01:41:35):
say order whatever you want and we'll cover them and that's why
so I'm a big fan of them. I really try to like and that's
why I was talking about like thefirst week or two before St.
Vibrations over at Harley. I really focus on local buyers
cuz I want them to get their bike and get ready.
I don't want them to spend the day at the goddamn dealership

(01:41:56):
during St. Vibrations trying to buy a bike.
No man, I want you to. I want you to stop by, maybe get
some food, get some merch and then get on the bike that you
bought last week and then go to the bike show, then go to VC and
then fuck. But if you do, dude, I was in
and out of there in 20 minutes. Dude, yeah, it's super.
Fast. It never happens.
I was in and out in 20 minutes. I know it's so funny because
everyone always says, man, it takes forever.

(01:42:16):
Yeah, we'll take your 20 grand. Yeah, I was.
Like and it's terrible take thatlong.
I tell everyone they're like, why does it take so long
sometimes? Like when you go to buy cars.
And I was like, honestly, because the customer won't
follow the damn process. What I do, the process that I
follow is not for me. It's for the customer.
I don't want you in there for three, 4-5 hours.
I want you out on your motorcycle.
I want you like going bro, best decision ever.
That's what I want. So the faster I can get you to

(01:42:39):
find the bike for you, make sureeverything works out for you
correctly, is I'll never sell a bike to somebody that I know
they can't afford that. Like, if I know that in three
months they have to return it because they didn't.
Dude, that was a horrible job onmy side.
I get it. Like, that's a shit ass person
to sell somebody something you know they can't afford.
Yeah, I, it, it sucks. Yeah.
And there's nothing worse than after they worked so hard to get

(01:43:00):
a bike and then three months later they have to turn it in.
You just cut the nuts off. It's fucking horrible.
Never do that shit. So I really want to make sure
stuff's financially feasible. And I have talked more people
than I probably should ever talkabout out of buying certain
bikes. Yeah, because I was like, bro,
I'm telling you right now, this is not the bike for you at this
time. Let me help you get your credit.
You have all this stuff coming up, dude, Ride, enjoy this bike.

(01:43:20):
Find out what kind of rider you are.
I think that's my biggest thing too, when I'm helping people fit
a bike. Yeah, like when you bought your
when you bought your your first bike.
No, your first bike. My first party, that's probably,
hey, that's something you can afford.
Yeah, it was something to get. You I was also learning, I think
a huge part of it was the I knowI wanted to customize
motorcycles. That was a huge part of it and I
wanted to learn how. And every time I did, it was

(01:43:43):
always black and gold accents, you know what I'm saying?
And I learned every time I learned something.
You know what? I mean, and the boys are a great
way that. Was a great way to fucking learn
and it was a great way to fucking.
It was only two holes. There's only.
No, it's great. Yeah, it's just gear and.
Yeah. But yeah, you're ready to go on
it. Yeah.
It's like fucking easy. And that's the fun part about
it. And I always tell people it's
like a lot of people come in andthey buy their first bike for
me. Like I said, it's one of my soft

(01:44:03):
spots for it and I will a lot oftimes get somebody on a bike
that's a little bit cheaper, maybe not 100% what their
admirations were for at that time.
Right. Because my thing is if you're to
come in, if you're to come in, you've never been before and
you're over here looking at a $50,000 CVO cuz, oh, I can
afford, I have the money for it.But to find out you're not using
it for what it's for. Yeah, that's a horrible.

(01:44:24):
That was me being a crappy fit, like I wasn't helping you.
Yeah, in any way. It's the same thing.
Like if you're coming in and you, I'd rather find someone
like something like a Soft Hill Standard or a Dyna or a wide,
it's just so maybe one of those like smaller bikes that are kind
of fun. I was like, and I call these a
learner bike. And it's not, doesn't mean
necessarily learning how to ride.
Yeah, I it's for you to learn what kind of rider you're going

(01:44:45):
to be. Yeah.
I might say, you know what, I just smashed with my friends.
I don't go farther than Tahoe. Yeah.
Do you need a Road Glide or Street Glide special?
Do you need a CBO for that? No, you don't.
Are we going to take your money?Yeah.
Yeah, I was like, I'll take it. Yeah, but I'm going to try to
help you out, get the right thing.
But it's the same thing as I'd rather get something small.
And then you know what? You might get that small like
Softail standard. Yeah.

(01:45:06):
And you went on a road trip withyour friends down to Socal or
maybe up to Oregon or just anywhere.
And you're like, that was the funnest thing I've ever did.
This bike was not meant for it. I want to come in.
If you come in on a smaller bikeand you upgrade to a bigger
bike, you're not upside down, You're not screwed.
But if you were to come in and buy a $50,000 bike for me and.
Then what do you go up? And I know.
And then you come back like 6 months later finding out, dude,
this is just too much for me. This is not what I wanted.

(01:45:28):
Yeah. Oh, I want that lower, dude.
OK, Yeah, but now you're carrying over.
You have a $50,000 motorcycle and now it's going to be harder
for you to do all this stuff. So I I get what you mean.
And I always like to explain that to people.
Like, believe me, I said our biggest job over at Harley as
the fit specialist, It's they'renot sales people.
They're really not like I am. I'm a sales person.
That's what my job is. It's in my title sales manager.

(01:45:48):
It's damn right there. Our Fitz job is to legitimately
fit people correctly onto a bikethat fits all their stuff, that
fits their financials, fits their capability, which is a big
one. I think a lot of people forget.
Oh, just throw them on that. I was like, bro, that's a 131.
Yeah, low rider S, Yeah, they'regonna die.
No. Don't and wide glides are cool,
you just don't want your friendsto see Yeah, I.

(01:46:09):
Get it? I get it.
I was like, dude, it was the same thing with, oh, that's how
I felt. All my damn victories.
No. Victories are cool.
They are, but when all of your friends are on fucking Harleys
and I was sort of I. Didn't know man and then I
fucking bought a wide glide and then all my friends are like.
Where'd you get that? And I was.
Like, yo, I was like, what do you mean?
It's a Dinah, right? And they're like, no, not
really. It's like, it's like a Dinah,
like tofu is me, you know what Imean?

(01:46:31):
Yeah, it's. Just the same.
Yeah, it's the Impossible. It's an Impossible Burger.
Possible. Burger.
Yeah, it's a Dinah the Slow friend one, the one that skipped
some grades. That one there.
Yeah, that one there. But now knowing what I know, I
could build a fucking wide glideand make it dope, you know what
I mean? And then turn it into a mid
glide, no problem. And that's why, honestly, I did
like about what you were talkingabout earlier if you want to
learn how to build. And I was like, stop passing

(01:46:51):
right there. Yeah, I don't think I get enough
of that people. I'm definitely not that guy.
I get what you mean, yeah. I like me personally.
I am all about. I like writing.
That's an. Alcoholic mentality.
It's a fuck yeah it is. It's it was like my biggest
problem in when I first got sober was I needed something to
do. Was that what it was?
Yeah, I needed to fucking. That's what it's still now
writing books, fucking starting shows, fucking running companies

(01:47:13):
and businesses and it's just I need a project and it's just one
day. So it's like when I'm coming
down to Harley and I'm like, hey, I'm going to take this
piece and I'm going to it'll be gold by the end of the day.
I'm not fucking. Around and I'm going.
To figure this out, I'm going toput it's a project and it's just
something I need to do to keep my hands and my brain busy.
So I that's, and that's where the building aspect comes into

(01:47:35):
it. And I, I get it.
Not everybody likes that, but tome it's building them is a big
part of not just riding, but there's a cool book.
It's called Zen in the Art of Motorcycle Building, actually.
You've talked to me about that before a few times.
Yeah, and Zen in the Artist Motorcycle Building is a cool
book because it, it talks about exactly that.
It's keeping your hands and yourminds busy and it's fucking,

(01:47:55):
it's just, it really is just a project, you know what I mean?
And that's just what I like do building as well.
And it's not and it's not for everybody.
I've got guys in my club that just they don't build, they
ride. You know what?
I'm I'm that guy, you know what I mean?
Yeah. And I love that too.
I just I need to keep my brain busy bro.
I used to, yeah, I used to. I used to love building race
cars. I, I belonged to a couple of car

(01:48:15):
clubs when I was first into it, and I I would have put my hand
on a Bible. I love working on my cars.
I love building my cars. I was just broke and couldn't
afford someone else to do my work.
Right now I was. Like no, I was like, man, I man,
I want a pro charger. I dropped my shit off.
I was like, I, I went down to one of the shops with my GTR.
I was like, man, I was like, we have all this stuff.

(01:48:36):
I was like, hey man, here's 9 grand, just do cool stuff.
I'll be back in two weeks since that and that's where I was.
Like that is a part of it too, right?
That's where my big stuff is like, and I think what it is
because now before working on mycars, working on my bikes was an
outlet like yours. It was stuff to do is.
But now, as I think it's just that I got older and I think my
like and I think I work so much and I have to try to fit so much

(01:48:58):
stuff into my thing as much as Idid working on this.
I like I still like doing maintenance stuff with my kids
because I think it's more of a culture thing, right?
But now, man, I love going in there, like grabbing my key and
throwing it to Joe at the service department and go,
what's wrong with it? Do I look like a mechanic?
My office is the first door on the left and you find out what's
wrong with it. I actually, because I get so
little time, I want to just be able to get on my bike and ride.
I want to be able to get my car and ride.

(01:49:19):
I want to be able to like just Iget off work and I'm stressed.
I had a shit ass day. My wife calls me bald.
My son makes fun of that. Oh, fuck that kid.
No. Yeah, but I just want to be able
to get on my bike and just smash.
Yeah. Or I want to get my car, take
the, like, the roof down and just go.
I just want to be able to enjoy the hour before my next
obligation. And that's what, like,
everything is for me. Works obligation, my family's

(01:49:40):
obligations. So sometimes even the gym, as
much as I love it, it's an obligation if I want to maintain
my sanity. That's so.
I still like doing some little stuff on it, but honestly, man,
I like working on it, but I do not enjoy what I used to.
Now that's I make some enough money now where I was like, Hey,
fix my stuff. I'll be back in two weeks.
Just make it pretty for me. That's and I was like, but I
always hardcore respect every time I see like some of my guys

(01:50:03):
too, to the extent that you are too, where you're in there
building your own stuff. So they're like when you see my
bike, Hey, anyone can have it When I see your bike, like you
can see your bike and that, you know, it's your bike.
And that's the same thing like OSB, that's his CV.
Like that was a Street Glide that he made into a Road Glide
and then just decided to beast mode it.
And I really, I think I have more respect for those people's

(01:50:24):
bikes, right? Because I don't just see a bike
there. I see that person in that bike.
I hear you. When I was like, and that's
where mine's generic in that aspect.
Yeah, I have my risers, I have my little twists on it.
But I'm gonna be honest, like I did not.
But the blood, sweat and tears that like you guys have put into
yours. And that's why I think that's
why I think I have more respect.Yeah.
Even if some of those bikes aren't my style, I will respect
that bike so much more. Yeah.

(01:50:46):
Because I was a bro that that's not just hey, I walked in and I
bought this brand new bike and I'm a Smasher.
You pulled that bitch down to the frame, yeah.
You did you like I can guaranteeevery nut, every bolt I I do.
Everything that's ridiculous, but I do.
And I know you. And that's like Justin, too,
Yeah. That's my thing.
That's where that's why that's where my appreciation really
comes in on that stuff is like, and that's where I wish I had
more in my in me. I just don't like I just my mind

(01:51:07):
doesn't work like your guys doeswhere that's how you guys do it.
Me, I get frustrated as shit anddo you want to ride?
I just yeah, I need a usaba. I get it.
The bikes are in and that's why I really respect every time I
see guys not just working on their bikes because they can't
afford it, like to go get the main sun.
They're doing it out of the passion of it.
Love it. It's a whole new level of it.
And I was like, I respect. Even if that bike, I was like,
bro, that is hideous in my opinion.

(01:51:28):
Damn, it's gangster. Yeah, the fact that I know that
guy put everything he had to or that shit, put everything into
it, I don't fucking respect. That it's art, man.
I do believe that it's a form ofart.
I think that it's like a form ofan expression.
And I think that there's too much of that and other people
knocking other people's niches, like I love all Me Too builds,
man, You know what I mean? That's why when we do our show,
we include every class. We even include metric class.

(01:51:51):
I don't give a fuck, I think. Motorcycles are cool, man, and
that's where I and I agree with that's yeah, that's why I've
always appreciated when when we would do our bike shows together
as we were trying to be instead of just like best in class best
that's we're like, no, let's getniched.
Yeah, let's get these people. Because that's The thing is like
if you if someone brings in a totally chromed out R1 that has
all these bad ass parts on it and it's a boosters are cool and

(01:52:12):
it's a full thing of all Harley dudes.
Yeah, that guy, no matter that bike is better in every single
way than that Dyna over there. For sure.
They're voting that Dyna. Yeah, that's why having those.
That is the coolest freaking sports bike here.
I might not know anything about it, but man, I like the way it
looks. Sure, dude, it sounds cool.
Yeah, man, I can see the like. What am I Got it?
Definitely worked on it. Dude, like Larry has this
freaking bike that's everything on it's Chrome.

(01:52:34):
He has, I wanna say it's an R1 or something like that, OK?
And that fool's bike. And you can tell that's a
passion of love. He spent, he probably quadrupled
the amount that bike was worth, but that bike was cleaned well.
And I appreciate that. So even people that don't like
sports bikes, so look at that and I can appreciate it.
And that's how I look. And that's how I look at like a
lot of this stuff. And I like, I think a lot like
he was. I appreciate what people do,

(01:52:55):
even if it's not mine. Yeah, I just, it's not whatever
makes you happy. But it's like I have, I think as
I get older and I know all the stuff I've had to do to get this
stuff and not everyone appreciates it.
Yeah. As I get older, I think I put a
bigger effort into appreciating people's stuff and what they're
doing in their life because I was like, I'm always in awe
every time. Like I said, when I saw you were

(01:53:15):
getting this done. Yeah, like legitimately odd.
Other pro That's yeah, I. Couldn't I would get Reno Harley
to sponsor bro? Ouch, I think I know a guy that
works there. OK, Yeah, 100% No, it's gonna
be. It's gonna be.
Yeah, I don't have any. We were talking about this
earlier and I think that the I don't necessarily have, I don't

(01:53:37):
care about the what it's gonna look like.
I try to just do shit and forgetabout how it's going to come to
pass. You know what I mean?
Just work and just do shit that I think that is like important.
So if enough people said you have a crazy fucking community,
you should start your own thing because I'm tired of listening

(01:53:58):
to these granola bar cats talk about, I don't know, whatever,
you know what I'm saying? So I and and nothing against the
granola bar cats with podcast. There's people need granola.
People need granola. That's OK.
My mom loves granola. Yeah, I like some spicy Doritos.
Yeah, for. Sure, and that's good for that,
but it's just not my thing. Yeah, so it's I'm just trying to
do something and I don't know what's gonna come of it, but I

(01:54:21):
just think that it's like letting go of how it comes to I.
Agree. And that's, I love the fact that
you concentrate on Reno stuff. Yeah.
And Nevada is like Nevada and General, but Reno mainly.
And like I said, it's, I've lived in Reno damn near my whole
life. I lived other than I lived in
Saint Louis in Minneapolis. Yeah, a year apiece for school,
but other than that, I was born in friendly and I've lived here
damn near my whole life. I.

(01:54:41):
Like it is different than any other.
Place and I love as like to me Ilove Reno for the one reason and
the one reason only. It is big city, small town.
And if you are tired of it, go 3hours in any direction, any
direction, any direction to the Bay.
If you ride like me, you're in San Francisco in about 3 hours.
You can go or you can go out in the Tahoe, one of the most
beautiful places in the entire damn world.

(01:55:03):
It's in our backyard. Yeah, we could go do that.
You're an hour from the Black Rock Desert like.
You're just like exactly. Yeah, you're yeah, Tahoe trucky
fucking. There's so much cool shit.
I like the desert. I'm a.
Desert Oh me too. You're 1 throttle turn away from
whatever you want to be in for sure.
That's what I love about is likeand I think that's why we were
talking about this earlier is Reno.
The area has more bikers per capita, I agree than any other.

(01:55:25):
We were, we actually did a statistic, yeah.
Reno is one of the highest rated, has the most motorcycle
riders per capita than almost any big city in the country.
Believe that. And the reason is because of
geography. Look at us through like desert
windy ass roads. You go Mount Rose Geiger, like
BC just, or if you just want to go to Vegas and just never make

(01:55:45):
a left turn and just yeah, for 17 hours straight, you could do
that, yeah. But it's still pretty, if that's
the thing, yeah. Just sit there and enjoy that
openness. And dude, it's no Reno.
I'm a, I don't know, I don't think I'll ever leave Reno.
They talked a few times about megoing to some of our other
dealerships and I said I always go down there to help train or
learn something. I'm always up to learn something
new. But I was like, I am too Nevada.

(01:56:07):
Yeah, like I am, I am so Reno. And like some people take that
as oh, that's gross. I was like, bro, yeah.
I love Reno. Yeah, I really do.
I think Reno is just such a fucking.
It's Las Vegas is ugly little steps, yeah.
It's the one. It's the one that.
You that's older. Yeah, that puts out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Reno puts out.You always leave that as well.
You know what I mean? Yeah, you're like it might itch,
but I don't. Know yeah yeah yeah anyway Mac I

(01:56:27):
love you my friend I really appreciate you coming on and
like I said there's a lot of cool stuff happening in Reno one
of the cool things I recommend to cats who are coming out of
addiction or any cat that I'm working with who's go fucking
get a motorcycle either ride it to build it or anything cuz one
you're not going to have money for drugs anymore cuz you'll be

(01:56:49):
broke all the. Type thing you've.
Ever showed in your life or or you'll your mind will be off of
it. You know what I mean?
If you're looking for a new motorcycle, please go see Big
Mac down in Reno Harley-Davidson.
It's soon to be maybe one of the4th St.
Live sponsors, which would be. Telling you, you know what I
mean? Like I said, I think I know
someone that works there. All right, All right.
Might be able to talk to him. Yeah.
He's a big bald guy. Yeah.

(01:57:09):
Funny looking. Yeah.
Yeah. Go see him.
That's the smart ass shit to say.
Thank you so much, I love you bro, I'll see you soon.
OK. I really do appreciate you
coming on man. I like anytime.
So we're gonna have you back on when the when the catalog comes
out. Damn, I'd like to go through the
2020 sixes. Oh hell yeah.
And just see if there's anythingin there that jumps out at us.
But we'll do that and we'll check out the 2020 sixes. 20%,
man, I look forward to that one.Cool.
All right, I love because. I'm gonna have to know.
I'm gonna have to know. Shit.

(01:57:30):
Hey, yeah. Study.
We don't don't have to know any of the cool shit, we'll just
look at the paint colors. Bro, man, I'm cool with that.
That one. Pretty.
Yeah, that one's cool, man. I appreciate it.
I love you, bro. Thank you, man.
Love you too.

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