October 20, 2025 • 62 mins
Crystal Young—known online as Fit Junkee—is a personal trainer, health coach, and passionate advocate for fitness, nutrition, and self-growth. Originally from Calaveras County, California, Crystal’s life changed when she traded years of partying, toxic cycles, and unhealthy coping mechanisms for fitness, accountability, and a commitment to self-care.
In this episode, Crystal opens up about her journey from experimenting with drugs and alcohol to discovering fitness in her spare bedroom, where she started with small workouts and eventually fell in love with bodybuilding. She shares the mental and physical battles of building consistent habits, overcoming bulimia that began in childhood, and navigating the long road toward health and balance.
Crystal also dives into deeper topics: how journaling helped her face trauma, the parallels between sobriety and fitness, and why accountability—not victimhood—is the key to lasting change. We talk about nutrition, gut health, bodybuilding culture, and how food itself can become both medicine and poison. Crystal’s story is raw, real, and inspiring—proving that transformation is possible at any point in life if you’re willing to take responsibility and do the work.
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Yeah, good boy, You say hi. Well, now you did it here.
Come here, you want to get here talking?
You want to come up, bud? Say hi, Say hi.
Come on. This is like they're going to
think it's a Pitbull show. Everywhere I go it's a Pitbull
show. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
(01:18):
Episode of Pits and Parolees. It's Cara.
Can you sit? Hey.
Sigit. Sit.
They don't speak Romanian, hey. Sit.
Thank you girl. So where are you from?
Say it again. You're from Calaveras County?
Originally from Calaveras County, California.
How'd you get to Reno? Well, that's a good question.
(01:41):
Yeah. I was living in South Lake Tahoe
for, it's so close, like 15 years.
Yeah, I moved there to ski and do all the mountain things.
And then I got tired of California.
Tahoe's changed a lot over the years.
And so I moved. I sold my place up there, moved
down to Carson. That's actually where I live
(02:01):
now. And then, you know, there's not
much going on in Carson. So I come to Reno for just about
everything and. You work out and.
Yeah, I come to the gyms down here, I go to Diamond and you
know, I work, my work is down here, some of my work is down
here. So that's kind of what led me to
the Reno area, but. And you're a trainer as well,
aren't you? Yeah.
That's pretty cool. I used to train in person.
(02:22):
I don't really do that anymore, but everything I do is primarily
online now, yeah. That's really cool.
So were you always working out, even when you were younger?
No, not really, no, no. It's kind of a new thing, a
newer thing, I guess probably within the last 10 years.
I kind of discovered fitness. I, I used to party.
(02:44):
That was my thing. Like I was partying for like a
good good chunk of my life. And then it's kind of.
All you do up in South, like that's kind of what I was
telling you before we got on is like, I know a lot of people in
South like, and if you live there full time, there's not a
lot else to do up there. You run out of shit, which is so
funny because it's so beautiful.A.
Lot of outdoorsy stuff to do, but.
(03:04):
There's so much drugs, dude. Yeah, there really is there
really. And especially in Calvarius
County, too, where I grew up, that's like, there's a lot of
drugs up there too. Not much to do other than go to
the river. And everyone who's doing that is
getting drunk and partying and going to the river, basically.
Yeah. So did you stop doing
everything? I wouldn't say I stopped doing
everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
(03:25):
But yeah, I mean, for the most part, I was just like fed up
with my lifestyle. I didn't feel good.
I didn't look good. I didn't have any really quality
people around me or any momentumto speak of.
I wasn't doing anything good with my life or helping anybody
at the time. And then I I kind of just had
enough of my own bullshit. And so I started doing little
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workouts in my spare bedroom, like jumping around, doing like
Billy Blanks. Kind of.
Yeah, basically like herpes and jump lunges and whatever I could
do. And I started running and I
learned how to track my macros. So I kind of got my food under
control and saw some awesome results, lost a ton of weight.
(04:08):
And then I found eventually found bodybuilding through that,
weightlifting through that, and the rest is kind of history.
I fell in love with it, yeah. So to me, the biggest disconnect
is, is the first day you start to work out and make it a make
it a fucking pattern, right? Like make it a behavior.
How long did it take you to kindof make it a behavior and be a
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consistent in your life? It's such a good.
Question. I think it was a slow burn
really. Like at first it, it sucks, like
it doesn't feel good. It's hard and it's hard to stay
consistent and keep showing up every day because you don't
really see results in the beginning.
So you really have to have like a strong reason for why you want
to do that. You know, coming off of coming
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off of just kind of doing whatever I wanted whenever I
wanted, eating whatever, drinking every weekend, going
out, eating out, It was, it tooka long time to kind of reform
those habits. I'd say probably, probably took
me a couple years to really solidify that that was like a
part of my lifestyle. I was still like in the
beginning, I was still drinking every weekend and undoing all
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the progress that I made each week.
It's such a crazy thing to thinkabout.
It's like, you could, you could work out for fucking two hours,
but if you fucking eat a plate of nachos like it doesn't count,
you know that sucks. Yeah, absolutely.
And I was like kind of fooling myself thinking I could go out
and like drink a bottle of tequila and do whatever I did on
the weekends and then pull it all in in the week and, and
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still see results. And like, when I look back at
it, I'm like, I was kind of spinning my wheels.
But it did kind of like eventually I got some traction
in it and, and I realized that it was like, I really felt
better all together. And I don't know, it's like a,
it's a weird thing that happens,or at least it was for me.
It started to kind of push me further and further away from
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the people that I was around. And I like, I lost a lot of
friends throughout that and kindof became more of a loner, but
it was also more fulfilling in asense.
So I just wanted more of that. I wanted more of like the
feeling that you get when you actually do something that
that's good for you versus like a cheap thrill.
It lasts longer. And so you kind of like you
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transition away from those like cheap hits and you get me lean
more into the thing that's bringing you that that longer
lasting happiness and that feeling and I.
Bet it brings you a lot of happiness to see it kind of
click in other people too. That's probably a cool feeling.
Fuck. Yeah, that's originally how I
started. Like the whole social media
thing was I just wanted to sharewith people what I was doing so
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that if they wanted to try to dothings too, they could and see
what I was doing. I had like a little a little
blog at the time. I don't know if you remember
like WordPress. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I'm a writer. Yeah.
So I had like a little word Press blog and that's there's
people. Are still doing that right.
It's got. To be still a thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know.
I haven't like logged into it for a while, but I was sharing
recipes and workouts and stuff and like I said, it just, it
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kept gaining traction and gaining momentum and it was like
a snowball effect. I got my first set of weights
and then that felt super good and I started to see the changes
in my body and people started reaching out to me.
And it was, it's like I still, Iwas just having this
conversation with somebody yesterday.
Like I'm just, I'm just living my life.
Like I'm just doing my thing. But through that, like it's
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crazy how many people are watching and take something from
that and are inspired that you don't even realize every single
day. Well, that's what I.
Wanted to tell you is I know some people that were inspired
by you. Really.
Yeah. My friend, you might know or you
might not, but her name is, is Miche Michelle.
She's a Barber. In Placerville, you.
Know who that is? Yeah, absolutely.
So it's I'm in a motorcycle club.
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It's her. Dude is in the same club as me,
but in Sacramento. And yeah, so you know, I don't
know if you know that, but like,it's crazy how the world
connects. But she has in the last like 3
months gone fucking balls in thewalls just five days a week and
now thinking about changing whather purpose of life is.
And I love her with my whole heart.
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And and I know that you've definitely had an impact in one
way or the other on my friend That's.
Like super humbling to hear those kinds of stories.
But it's also, it's what makes it's what makes the human
experience so cool, I think, is that you can connect with
people, you know, in those ways just by living the way that you
live. I'm sure you experienced that
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with with the the motorcycle club too.
And from what you've told me, you're, you probably impact a
lot of people's lives doing that.
Yeah, I think. More than anything, it's the the
sobriety for us. I'm, I'm sober and it's like
John was a guy I worked with. And I think that the steps we
have 11, we have 12 steps, right?
And so the first eleven are all about you and the last one's
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about giving it back. And that's the, and that's the
most important one. That's the only way you actually
lose the obsession and fucking get better is if you help
another person. And then you got to keep doing
that. And if you don't, and it's also
like, damn, how how it's so hardto help somebody else and have
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anything to complain about in your life that day, like being
of service or being selfless. I know it sounds so pretentious
saying it out loud, but it's true.
It's like you just don't feel that way anymore.
You just the only. People that find that
pretentious are the ones that aren't actually doing that in
their own lives. I think that's part of what like
if you want to get really deep, I think that's part of why we're
here is to help other people, I think.
(09:44):
So too and share. Our stories Yeah 1.
Of the best lessons I've ever heard was it's not your job to
be it's not your job to be lovedor understood.
It's your job to love and understand.
It was one of the best things that somebody taught me.
And it was a dude in prison thattold me that you just got out of
prison to tell me that. And I think that was a profound
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thing that that dude said. And I understand.
And of course, if everybody loved and understood everybody
else, then of course everybody would be loved and.
Understood. Yeah.
And you know, that's, that's definitely the MO here.
So how'd you get with Diamond? Was it just, were you following
that when they were first going?Yeah, I can't even remember how
I came across it. I think I must have seen it on
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social media or something. And.
They're a sponsor of ours are. They of the show.
Yeah, I. Love those guys, the Super
amazing people. From the second I walked in the
door of that place, I just, I could feel the energy obviously
of the owners and the environment that they've created
there and I knew that that was going to be my new home base.
You know there are other gyms around the area obviously, but
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is there? Gyms like that in Carson?
No, no, not like that. No, no.
I. Actually go down to Vegas like
every month for a week just to just to go to gyms, just to like
get new, you know, new, be around new environments and be
in the energy. Especially like the bodybuilding
community is pretty small and there's not a whole lot of it up
here. But that place in particular, it
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stood out to me just because of the aesthetic to begin with.
But like I said it, what what kept me there was was the
energy, for sure. Yeah.
That dog's so cool too. I got 3 kids so I just can't
have no more dogs, you know? That's like dogs for us, you
know? I want to when my daughter gets
older. I'm definitely getting it.
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Do you guys have a dog right now?
Nope, no. No, I have 3 kids you know and
it's just I feel bad because I I'm not at the house a lot and
so to leave my wife with yet another thing to take care of,
I'd feel I'd feel like I'd feel bad so well these.
Are great family dogs. They really are.
They love kids. They're super nerds.
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Have you seen? Any of the videos lately of
these pitbulls saving the kids from?
Yeah, you've been seeing those. 2 that's.
Crazy. Yeah, I.
Saw a couple the other day, one was like this baby got
electrocuted like and. He just ripped it back.
I was like. Holy fuck, that's.
Tight. That was a cool.
Fucking and then I saw and you know, once you like like
something on Instagram, it starts like, oh, you like this,
let's show you 14,000 other videos like that.
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But I'm not mad at it. It's like it's super cool to see
that. Yeah, that's the whole reason.
So Sakara is a service animal. I trained her as a service
animal. So she goes like everywhere with
me. She flies.
She's been on more airplanes than probably most people.
But that's that's the whole reason why, because I felt so
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connected with her and she really has, you know, been there
for me and in ways that are kindof indescribable.
So, you know, animals are are special like that.
They are. Did you?
So did you do that showdown in Vegas this last week?
No, the Olympia I. Think so.
Wish. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's like the Super Bowlof bodybuilding.
So to go to the. Olympia is like the most
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prestigious honor that you could.
I mean, it's a, it's a huge achievement in the bodybuilding
world. So like, you know, there's the
amateur leagues, like the motherlode that's coming up this
weekend. That's basically like a regional
amateur level show. Once you kind of build your way
through that, you win a couple amateur local shows, you go to
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national shows. Once you win national shows, you
go to the pro leagues, then you win pro shows, you go to the
Olympia. So it's like the top, the top of
the top, but I was down there. I took both of these guys down
there for and stayed for a week.This.
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Yeah. We had a great time, yeah.
So in a show like that, it's it's all physique stuff, right?
Yeah, that's really, that's way cool.
How do the classes work with that 'cause I'm curious?
So there are there are differentclasses for both men and women
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there. I wouldn't, it's hard to say.
They're like entry level, but there's just different.
There's different classifications for the amount
of muscularity and the shape andthe conditioning, which is
essentially how little body fat you have and like how much
detail you show. And then each division has
different posing to showcase those shapes as well.
(15:25):
So with the women, there's, let's see, there's fit model,
bikini, Wellness, figure, women's physique, bodybuilding
body. Women's bodybuilders are like
the most muscular for sure. And then there's fitness.
The fitness category is like a combination of those are the
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girls that like get up there anddo splits and flips and stuff
like that. So they have like a whole
routine that they do and they have to be jacked and lean at
the same time. And then for the men, it's men's
physique, classic physique. And then there's a couple
different categories of bodybuilding.
There's like a specific bodybuilding division where
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everybody has to weigh 212 lbs, so it kind of keeps it level.
And then there's open bodybuilding.
And that's like the big mass monsters that you see on stage.
That's that's what everyone goesfor to see those guys to.
See the fucking huge ones? Just.
Crazy Jack guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Those, that shit's nuts and it'scrazy because also they don't,
they have to just like fighters,they got to, they got to get
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water out the whole deal, right.Yeah, there's a whole science
to. It for a couple of days, yeah.
Not even for a couple days like most they live.
Like that sometimes, huh? Well.
In in terms of like being an athlete in bodybuilding, you
never really have. You're never really off.
You're either in a season of improvement, trying to add
tissue, or you're in your prep, which is what everyone thinks of
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is like the diet where everyone's leaning out most of
the time. Like everyone's a little bit
different, but generally a prep is like 20 weeks, 16 weeks,
something like that. So essentially you're dieting
for that long and you're gettingyourself to a level of body fat,
especially the bodybuilders on stage, they get so shredded.
I mean, they're there's a point in time where they're suffering.
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Like you said, it's like lots ofcardio, very little food,
pulling water, manipulating electrolytes and things like
that to get on stage and get this like super crazy look.
Yeah. No, they look fucking nuts.
It's great. It's like like Olympia.
It's like Mr. Olympia, you know?It's like I'm looking at
gladiators. It's tight.
So is there a person or people you don't have to say their name
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if you don't want to, but that you've worked with it has that
has been like you the most impactful in your life seeing
the switch go on and then like maybe the switch went on with
you and maybe we'll start with that.
Is there somebody that influenced you first to kind of
change around when you were getting going that's.
A really good question. I mean, there's definitely a
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couple people that come to mind that I was watching at the time
that were super influential to me.
One of them, her name's Hattie Boydel, she's Australian and
she's she's into powerlifting and she does another federation
which is similar to the IFBB. It's called the WBFF.
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It's a little bit different. But anyways, she she came from a
background of a really severe eating disorder.
That's right. Give it a SEC this.
Is this is biker block? So yeah, just.
But you know, it's crazy easy. Bikes don't even pick it up.
But go ahead, yeah. That's that's nuts to me.
That's crazy. Yeah.
Yeah. So Hattie Boitle, She, she
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influenced me a lot, mainly because she came from a kind of
a similar background as I did. She suffered from an eating
disorder for a really long time.She was anorexic, essentially.
And then she kind of turned thataround and threw her story.
I mean, she's jacked. Like she's got a beautiful
physique and she was one of the really influential people that I
watched another girl called, hername's Emily Hayden, and she was
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just a bikini competitor, bikinipro back in the day.
Those two women definitely influenced me a lot.
Just just specifically, I think the biggest influence I would
say was kind of myself. And that that's going to sound
really weird probably, but like,man, I was just like a piece of
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shit. I really was.
And I didn't want to be that anymore and I want to be
something more. And so it wasn't.
Only your body that changed. It was your mind 100.
Percent, Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.
It. Started as that.
It definitely started as that. But you know, and people you
know, obviously looking at theseother physiques, these
otherworldly physiques, like yousaid, it's like like, whoa, I
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want to do that. That would be so dope.
And then it quickly changed and you realize that throughout that
journey, trying to change your body, you know your, your
mindset, your whole, your whole world flips upside down.
You turn into somebody else. It teaches you so much about
yourself and what you're capableof.
I'm sure that your journey, likewithin sobriety has been similar
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to that well. So he was crazy.
Is is 2 years ago I was 270 lbs.Dude, I'm 30 years old.
I know it's fucking crazy early.Yeah, I know, but I'm 61, so it
doesn't, I don't know. It didn't look as much like it,
but then I'll look at pictures. I was like, damn, I was like
every bit of 270 that's. Nuts.
Is that just a reflection of your lifestyle at the time or
dude? Yeah, it's crazy.
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A lot of people gain weight whenthey start sobriety because
there's a, there's a, there's a science behind it.
I can't tell you and I can't articulate it, but it's like.
The hand to mouth fixation or and sugar.
There's something. About the sugar depends on what
you drank too, but a lot of us drank hard alcohol, you know
what I'm saying and I yeah, I drank Mad Dog 2020 it's my
(20:50):
favorite yeah dog yeah so I've. Had a few experiences, two or
three. A day.
It's just like, it was cheap. It was 499, you know?
So that's my favorite, and nice,nice fucking whatever else I
could get my hands on. Sugar is in a Mad Dog fuck.
Probably a lot like. When I think back, that shit's
like mad sweet, yeah. It's mad sweet.
Yeah. Yeah, you don't.
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Well, you didn't need to chase her, but it was also like and
not like the blue Raspberry one.Fuck dude, you need to walk
around. With like blue lips all the
time, dude. It was so bad.
No shame. Yeah, I'm I don't I don't miss
it, but I love telling that story.
People these. Days probably don't even know
what Mad Dog is, no? It's still there, dated.
Yourself some. People some people know but like
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the kids now got fucking sunny Ddrinks.
Spoiled 40. Grams of sugar, Is that a lot?
That's a lot. It's pretty bad.
How much is? In this it's like 2.
Sodas. Probably.
Gotcha. Damn.
Yeah. An ounce has 40 grams of sugar.
Oh OK. I was like, dude, holy shit An.
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Ounce of sugar dog a day, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But see, what's funny is I walked a lot 'cause I was a
crackhead. So I was like, always on the
move. Imagine.
The implications of like your liver and like your insulin
resistance and what you're doing, yeah.
Yeah, well, I got sober 21. Just for you it was.
It's it's only as good as running out of a a burning
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building. Ask you like what was your
turning point? What happened with that?
Cause crap will get a hold of you man.
Yeah. So Jill institutions,
psychiatric holds, none of thosethings had an impact on my life
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and I've been through it all andevery one of them was a result
of me having a disease. And the way it works for
Alcoholics is anybody that's in my opinion, if you ask me what
an alcoholic or an addict is, it's not.
It has nothing to do with how much you drink or use.
Believe it or not, it has everything to do with a
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deficiency and your spirituality.
So if you have a spiritual deficiency of any kind and any
level, it will manifest an addiction of some form.
Some people use gambling or sex or whatever else, but for me, it
was fucking all of the above. It was anything I could get my
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hands on that would Get Me Out of me.
You know, 'cause I'm just. Spiritual deficiency means
you're not comfortable in your own skin.
You, you know, you just don't feel great, you know?
So when I was 21, I was on PearlHole and, you know, I fell
asleep at the wheel of my ToyotaCorolla.
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And I was hosting the booty shaking contest at the Brew
Brothers on Tuesday nights. Swear.
Yeah. And, you know, like, who fucking
hangs out at Brew Brothers on Tuesday nights?
You're probably already got a problem.
And one night I fell asleep at the wheel of that car.
And you know, it's on paper and I can talk about it now, but I
was on paper and I, I, I walked home and I when I walked home
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that night, I looked back in my car was engulfed in flames.
And I had gone about 90 miles anhour by the time I finally hit
something. And because I was unconscious,
so my foot was just on the gas, right?
And I woke up and I remember thinking like, oh fuck, I need
to get out of here because I wason paper and I didn't want to
violate. So I fucking pulled myself out
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upside down and pulled my key out of the ignition because
that's where my house key was. And it was on fire and started
walking and got home. Got to the basically, the cops
came to my mom's house and they said we're looking for your
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son's body. And that was what they told my
mom. Yeah.
And so my mom fucking did what any mom does in that situation.
She went to my house and I was just asleep in my bed, but she
woke me up. And if she didn't come to that
house that night to wake me up, I would have died of a punctured
lung. And when I finally got to the
hospital, I had a broken leg. My L2 and my L3 vertebrae had
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fused from that car accident. I had a concussion and a hernia
and a crack sternum, 3 broken ribs and and the punctured lung
was the worst of all of it. And and so that was that
accident was on April 26th of 2014 and April 27th of 2014 was
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my sobriety day the next day. Yeah dude.
So that was the day. So basically all it was was
like, if I don't stop drinking, I will die.
And if I don't stop doing this and I suffer from a spiritual
deficiency. And I sat around in the hospital
room with a bunch of sober people who I asked them if they
thought I had a problem and theywere like, yeah, dog, you got a
(25:58):
fucking problem. And and they said something that
was pretty profound. They said that's between you and
God, you know, or whatever you believe in, you know, whatever
higher power you can fathom, that's between you and that,
that thing. And, but like the chances are
astronomical that you probably got a problem.
And so that was the last time. And I was, so that was 11, a
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little over 11 years ago and I was 21.
And, you know, I just had to basically make a decision
because I'm. I'm sure I could have justified
more drug and alcohol abuse. Of course, you know, I'm sure I
could have because I was 21. How many is the reason?
Yeah. How many 21 year olds have
crashed cars and that bad even you know, I'm sure there's been
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lots that have not been thoughtspart of being.
Young man it. Is yeah.
So I was just, to me, it was, itwas, it was just like, I won't
survive another accident like that, you know, or another
situation like that. So it's just better that I cut
that out of my life and I did. And then I found the rooms that
we talked about and fixed the deficiency in me.
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And all that is, is treating that deficiency because there's
no cure for alcoholism or addiction in my opinion.
It's just treating it with maintaining your spiritual
condition. So today I just try to like we
were talking about help another person, which I don't do all the
time and try and live in anybodyelse's will, but but mine 'cause
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my will will only get me and hitdeath institutions jail.
So I got to think I got to thinkabout think of the disease like
an allergy. So that's that's.
A lot of people never have that realization that like, this is
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probably a me thing, right? And that's kind of why we do
this. Is this like, if you're not
happy with how you look or how you feel, there's a reason you
came on today. It is your fault and there's a
reason because there's somebody that might hear you and go,
fuck, I just got to start lifting weights and eating
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better. It's so easy, you know?
And you know, if there's somebody that's struggling with
alcohol, they'll never know. And so all we're doing here is
planting seeds, in my opinion, is what the show is based on, is
planting seeds to a different level of existence that's
tangible. Does that make sense?
Yeah. Absolutely, yeah.
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That's that's. That's so real.
That's so real. I think like that, that just
touched a nerve because what I've always tried to, to
promote, if anything on my page through my living, through what
I represent, it's that you do need to take accountability for
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yourself. Like whatever that looks like
for you. It doesn't matter if you were in
a dead end relationship, somebody treated you poorly, you
lost your job, you lost everything.
Somebody close to you passed away, like whatever your house
burned down. You have a responsibility for
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your own life. And although there are a lot of
tragic things that happened to people and their childhood or in
their lives, that's a part of the human experience.
And you can't change that. But you can definitely take
accountability for how you move forward in life.
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And so many people forget that. Or they lean on whatever the
crutch is, the drinking, the drugs.
That's what I did for most of mylife.
I wasted so much of my life justwinging it, flying by the seat
of my pants every day. No idea that I could actually
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fix it, that I could change it. Self medicating, like you said,
it comes in many forms, too many, many forms.
But when you take all that away and you're forced to sit with
it, the only thing left at the end of the day is you and how
you're going to move forward from that and how you choose to
live your life. And you can choose at any moment
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what you're going to do. Any moment you can change, you
are so. So what are you?
Are you saying that if you maintain a victim mentality,
you're not going to have the results you want?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. Nobody.
'S going to want to be around you either.
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And I've met people who are 100%victims in their lives, who
choose not to be victims and choose to do something about it.
And those people are the most profound influence that I've
ever had in my life. You know it's.
Actually super liberating when you realize that that the world
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doesn't owe you anything. And again, you are the writer.
You get to steer the ship, you get to pick and it's very easy.
It's way easier to find a reasonwhy, why you want to be a piece
of shit, for lack of a better term, why you want to turn to
these things. It's always going to be easier
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to turn to that victim mentality.
It it's like it's so toxic. It exists in so many places.
And once you lift that veil and you realize like, again, you
take that accountability, it's so liberating.
It makes everything like so mucheasier.
You're just like, you know what?No, I like, I'm giving this
thing or that thing or this experience or that person, all
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of my power by doing that. When you do that, you're
breathing life into something that is keeping you sick.
At that point, it does feel veryliberating.
It is kind of like, it's makes it seem very simple and at the
end of the day, it is pretty simple, yeah.
That's what's funny. But we complicate everything.
Yeah, no, I, I fucking wow. I agree.
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It's crazy how much of a parallel that draws to sobriety
too, because we we also, we havea whole part of the, of the
steps that we work. And it's about accountability.
And it's the one that is so profound that it truly will
determine if you lose the obsession or not.
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You know, and it's you go through, you make a list of
every resentment you've ever hadfrom the time you're born to
present. And you go through each one and
you write them down and you write how it affects you.
This is like years of therapy written in a book.
And it's like free. It's crazy.
And anybody could do this for anything.
But, you know, you write it downand then you write what it
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affects. And then when you're all done
with that, you write a fourth column and the fourth column is
what your part is. And Alcoholics generally are
responsible for like 99% of the resentments that they've ever
had. You know, and it's like you
learn accountability that day. You learn that you're not a
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victim, that you have a part to,you know, and, but, but I agree
with you. It's like even if you are, you
don't have to live that way. And, and that's, and that's the
part of that. If you use the victim mentality
for sympathy or for, for sittingidle and just kind of watching
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your life pass away, then you have a responsibility to, to
your own resentment. And, you know, we we, we can
choose what we do with the rest of our lives, you know, So no,
that's it's crazy how how what she said kind of draws because I
think the first battle of being healthy is fixing your brain.
Yeah, it. Is you know.
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And it's a huge. Piece of the puzzle.
I mean the word like, if you want to, to liken it to working
out or exercising, like that's the easy part in my opinion, or
prepping for a show. The hardest part is harnessing
what's going on upstairs and andkeeping that in control.
Sure it is with sobriety too, you know, I know it was for me
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for a long time. That was it.
That was, it's like, you know, you practice something so many
times. You practice having a drink,
going out and having a drink. What for whatever, good times,
bad times, bored times, whatever.
It was just the times it takes awhile to, to undo that to, to to
undo those behaviors. It's easy to move to that.
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So that is 100% of mental thing you don't need like your
physical body can withstand quite a lot.
And that's, that's generally speaking, the easier part of the
puzzle. I think most the world would be
such a better place if most people could get control of
their thoughts and harness thoseand turn it around into
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something better and stop letting them go to that place.
Yeah, that's what that is. That's very real.
That's hard. It's cool that you mentioned
writing all that stuff down. One thing that really helped me
in in my journey was writing things down, and I still do it
to this day. Like what?
Kind of things. Everything, all the things like
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for example, I when I was reallyyoung, I had some traumas that
happened and it led me to develop an eating disorder when
I was six years old. So from the time I was six years
old until my late 20s, I had an eating disorder.
And on top of that, the drug andalcohol abuse, you know, the
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toxic relationships, not taking care of myself, not valuing
myself, the list goes on. All of these things were just
symptomatic of me not being ableto.
I had displaced emotions used tomy thoughts were all over the
place. I didn't know how to control
that. I didn't have any grasp over
what was I didn't even know why I was doing the things that I
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was doing. I don't know, maybe you can
relate to that. It wasn't like I woke up every
day and said, man, because this happened to me, like I'm going
to go do this just because it feels better.
Like I didn't know it was just, you know, that's all I knew.
That's how I was dealing with it.
And there was a point in my lifewhere obviously I saw some
therapists and I hate to say it,but like, that shit wasn't
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working for me. It really wasn't helping.
And it wasn't really until I, again, the accountability piece,
I really had to have an honest conversation with myself.
Like, OK, what is your role in this?
Cause like the common denominator of all these shitty
things that are happening to youis you.
You are at the centerpiece of this.
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So I started journaling, and when I started journaling, I
didn't have like a method to it.I started writing things down.
Everything that was on my brain,I started writing it down.
And throughout the process of that, I was able to start like
reading through these things andjust seeing these patterns.
Patterns develop, triggers develop.
And I've always been like reallyinterested in human psychology
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and behavior. So through that, I started kind
of analyzing those pieces and realizing that all these things
were, again, were just symptomatic and it was just that
I had practiced poor, poor coping mechanisms for so long.
And I was like, was that learned?
Was it taught? That's a really.
Good question. I think it, it was just, it was
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a matter of my circumstances andmy environment and kind of what
I fell into at the time and it felt good.
Nature versus nurture kind of thing.
Got it when you like. For me, when I first started
doing drugs and drinking, it waslike it felt really good because
you know, obviously the euphoriaand the feeling that you get
from being high or drunk at the time.
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And then for me it was like the social environment and you know,
everything that came along with that was selling drugs for a
long time. So along with that, there's tons
of people around you all the time.
So it can give you this false sense of like, oh, I have all
these friends and this and you know, everyone loves me.
And it's not that at all. But it, it took a long time to
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to really start to unravel all that and realize that it was
just, it was all fake. Like none of it was real and
none of it was helping. And I was just postponing the
inevitable and burying these things down, not actually facing
them. And when I finally realized,
like, this was a reason why I was doing all these things,
that's when that's when the realwork begins.
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Like, that's when it actually gets really tough because you
have to face yourself. Like you're holding a mirror up
to yourself going, oh, I did that.
Yeah. That's so real.
Yeah, that was that was the hardest part about getting sober
at 21 is realizing I didn't haveany friends, real friends.
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It was because the only friends I had were the ones that I had
because I got fucked up with fucked.
That was so hard because it was like 21 and all the other like
it's unique getting sober younger than older because
getting sober younger, you just think that's what you do.
And so it's so unique to someonewho's older, because it might
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not necessarily be the case, butwhen you're 21, everybody's
doing the same shit, you know? And so when I got there, I had
nobody and nothing, you know, And it was, it was, you hit it
right on the head. You realize who your friends
are. I mean, you, you realize that.
And I, I learned the hardest lesson ever, which is the people
that are your friends genuinely are the ones that don't want
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anything from you in return. They'll take you fat, skinny,
fucking, whatever. And that's, and that's real.
So you, you mentioned you had aneating disorder.
Was that not eating? So I was bulimic the first time
I I made myself throw up. I was six years old and I
remember it really vividly was. It was it something that you had
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done on your own? Was it influenced by anything on
the outside? You know, I thought.
About this question a lot and I can't remember where I might
have learned that or picked thatup.
It might have been something that I saw on TVI can't imagine
a six year old would have the wherewithal to know.
How? To do that, I just know that I
started doing that and I startedusing food as a, an emotional
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coping mechanism at a really young age.
And that worsened and it progressed, you know, into my
teens. It got really, really bad.
It was like, and then there's like so much shame around that
too, because I never told anyonelike my whole life about that
until I was much, much older andshared that.
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But I think it's something that definitely needs to be talked
about 'cause I know a lot of women personally who have been
through that and struggled with that and it's really left a mark
on them. Obviously takes a toll on your
health. And it LED, you know, it led me
to other, other vices as well. But yeah, it had a grip on me
for a long, long time. And I understand it now.
I understand what that was, but I didn't at the time, I felt
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super out of control like with drugs too, just like it's just
something that I knew was a temporary relief and I didn't
really even realize that I was using the food in the ways that
I was also using drugs and alcohol.
It was just, you know, to numb whatever things I didn't want to
actually feel or face so so. Let me ask you this, 'cause this
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is important, 'cause, 'cause I have a daughter.
And, and I think that that that,believe me, is unique to women.
Not always, but it is more generally.
And you know, you know, I think about that and it's like, I want
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my daughter to be, she's fat andI want her to be fat forever
because she's 3. She's she's so fucking cute, you
know, and but it's like even my wife will think that she's gang
weight. And I was like, you haven't.
What is your, you got a girl whosuffer from that same thing in
front of you. What, what would you say to her
now? Is there some that are listening
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and they're going to listen 'cause I know there's some that
suffer from that, you know? Really similarly to what you
said about having a spiritual deficiency.
You're not fat, first of all, right?
Yeah. And even if you are like, that's
not, that's not the answer, right?
It's not the answer at all. You need to eat food and you
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need to take care of your body because you only get one of
them. And life is really short.
I would say that you need to talk to somebody that
understands where you've been. And if you want to talk to me,
you should reach out to me because I have a lot of
experience with it. And probably some very healthy
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dieting to. Yeah, absolutely.
I eat great now. Like I love, I love eating and
getting strong and like putting that to good use.
But really the reason why peopledo stuff like that is because
there's something going on inside of them that they're
avoiding that they don't want toface.
And it's probably really going to suck to come to that
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realization, but you're never going to.
You're never going to fix it. It's either going to stay or get
worse or transfer to something more detrimental.
You could die. And if you tell one person what
that is, it will lose its power.That's 100%.
That's the other thing is like just talking about it, it loses
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so much of its power and, and getting it out there and, and
voicing it. There's so many people out there
that can help with that and justtelling your story and just
talking about it. It's huge.
Like I said, writing things down, even if you're ashamed to
talk to somebody about it, startwriting things down and like
really, honestly write things down.
Like why did I do this today? What were the feelings that I
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was feeling? What caused that?
You know, and, and get to the root of it.
If it's something that happened when you were a kid or something
that you saw by example, it's it's OK.
Like we all have that stuff. Everybody has that stuff.
It doesn't define you. What defines you is who you
decide to be going forward from that.
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And you don't have to stay that way.
You don't. But you do have to take
accountability for it, because odds are it's something that
you're not facing inside yourself.
And that's not to say that you might not be a victim in
whatever that might be, but it is.
But if you hold on to it totally, you know, that's real.
Yeah. I, for me, it was like I thought
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about that because I was big bigger.
I didn't look crazy big, but I, I didn't feel great about
myself. And I finally started looking
into what it is. And it turns out my body doesn't
process bread and pasta well and.
Do you have like actual celiac disease or?
Colitis so that's what it is andit's either get on a bunch of
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fucking medication and continue to eat like a fucking nut job
and or change your diet. So I just stop a cut out bread
and sugar and most carbs and fasted intermittently for the
last two years and that's it. And it changed everything I.
Bet you feel so much better. I do.
And and the every symptom of colitis is gone.
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That's awesome. So it's like, do I have colitis
or do I have, you know, a food problem, which is something else
I'd really like to get into talking to you with about is,
you know, we're not political byany means.
But in in the news, RFK talks a lot about changing the diet, the
changing the food in America. You can totally disagree with
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RFK's policies and politics and whatever.
That's not what I meant talking about.
I'm talking about that can not be a partisan thing.
That has to just be. No, that's very real.
It's. Fucking poison in the food dude.
Whatever you put in your body isgoing to become you at the end
of the day. No, I actually like, I actually
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like a lot of the the things that he talks about.
And I think he brings a lot of things to light that people want
to shove under the rug or ignore.
It's poison in the food. The whole food system, the
medical industry, it is so backwards.
It's very twisted. It is.
I work with a lot of people now.So I used to coach for about
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four years straight and then I Istopped for a while.
I took some time off, I stepped back and then I stepped back
into the coaching space after having educated myself, worked
with some mentors. But my passion now is
specifically around people's diets, their, their gut health,
their hormone health, these things, and a lot of these are
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caused by the way that people are eating, the way that people
are living. And so I'm definitely really
passionate about that. And I agree with you.
I think the food is it's absolute garbage.
It, it really is. But a simple, a simple fix for
it is really just to to choose more Whole Foods, more things
that are grown locally with goodgrowing practices.
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And then you. Mentioned the macros, which I
know is really the the pivotal thing there, right?
Depends. It's gonna depend on how much
you. Work out is that yeah it.
Depends on your goals too, right?
So like, your macros basically are gonna dictate, you know, the
amount of energy that you're taking in each day?
Yeah, that's going to be like the total amount of protein,
amount of carbohydrate, amount of fat that makes up your
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caloric intake throughout the day.
And that can be adjusted based off of your goals.
Not everybody wants to be a bodybuilder, but everybody has
different needs. Like you said, it's based off of
your lifestyle. You know, how much energy are
you expending each day? Your genetics, your exercise
history, all that kind of stuff goes into that.
So it's kind of a moving target also, and it's really cool.
Like within bodybuilding, those things are adjustable depending
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on where you want to be on the spectrum or what your goal is.
And then within your macros, youhave your micros.
Your micros are like your minerals, your vitamins, all of
the things that actually make you healthy and make you
optimized at the end of the day.And the micros is the discussion
where we come into all these health issues, colitis, things
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like that. That's where you can really get
specific with it and, and learn what your body really needs and
where you're deficient. Almost everybody walking around
has some kind of dysfunction going on in their body, whether
it's from their gut, their liver, their hormones, and
almost all of those are direct relationship to what we're
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eating. Yeah.
I know it's crazy because I grewup in I, I was born in 92 and I
think that that do you remember the food pyramid?
Yeah, there was like bread at the top.
I was like or the bottom was like the biggest one as.
I just talked about that with mymom the other day because my
mom, I don't think. They've even changed that.
I don't know, I. Think they did change it.
I just don't think that they putit in schools and shit anymore.
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Yeah, because it's not in my kids school, but my mom lived by
that and it was like, that's like, it was like, yeah, there's
like a lot of fucking Lucky Charms and yeah, Cinnamon Toast
Crunch and Toast. Well, it.
Has B vitamins in it. Does it?
It's healthy. Fuck yeah.
Yeah. No, you can't.
Call the. Breakfast food.
Which one I? Think that's how they market it.
Like all the Super sugary cereals.
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Like on the front it says something like grain.
Whole grain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
B vitamins or yeah yeah for. Sure, great.
Source of protein, There's like 3-3 grams of protein.
It's so. Funny talking about being on a
diet when I used to smoke crack.Yeah, have you?
You have to have the guy, I can't remember his name on
Instagram, but he's the guy. That's like I don't give a fuck
if they're saying this has red guys.
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All the time he was like, I usedto smoke crack in my grandma's
basement. And that's like, that's, that's
my. Father was like, Yep, yeah.
Yeah, I'm not an advocate for crack, but.
I mean he isn't either anymore but but it's.
Pretty fun, you know what I'm saying?
It's pretty tight. Crack was never my thing.
I definitely was into uppers though.
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I did. Did you?
Like coke they did. A lot of coke and you like.
Coke. You'd love Crack I.
Did I did crack a couple of times, OK.
Smoked crack. With my friends and crystal meth
and everything else that would get me that.
But for me, the the crack gave me a little bit of like a like a
little bit too much of like, oh,he's looking at the window like,
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oh, man. The paranoid, always looking.
Over my shoulder, like yeah. So I've been sober 11 years.
I haven't lost the paranoia. Yeah.
Still look at the. I got cameras in every, like,
fucking yeah. Just like, I know what your
license plate is. I know.
I know what John had for breakfast.
Do you know? Oh, when.
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Yeah. Hunt.
So Hunter Biden's son talked about smoking crack.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm not going to lie.
Hunter Biden's son. There's like a food pyramid, but
for drugs like Hunter Biden style crack is something like
that you like to. It's like really, And it's, but
it's really he hit it on the head.
It's like every 30 seconds you're hitting that fucking
pipe, dude. It's like he might have, he
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might have gotten more people hooked on crack than ever
before. He made it sound so tight, too.
You know, I wonder if we can putthe clip in 100.
Biden talking about fucking smoking crack.
Yeah, you should. Find that.
It is not a partisan issue either, but America.
Yeah. Yeah, What's crazy is there's a
lot of guys that I know that do hard drugs like that and go to
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the gym and get fucking yeah, gowork out.
Which is like, because all I wanted to do was go for walks.
Yeah, I don't know. So yeah, they.
Were not really synonymous for me at the time, but drinking
definitely lingered for a while.That was when I kind of hung on
to and on the weekends. Like in the beginning of my
fitness journey, I was still like doing lines on the weekends
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and. Oh.
You were like kind of delusionalabout it.
It took me a little bit to like fully transition out of that
does. That impact your body's ability
to absolutely produce muscle, things like that.
It does. I'm sure it does one.
Drink. One drink diminishes your body's
ability to recover and create new tissue by 46%.
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So like if you go to the gym andyou get a killer workout in,
you're there for two hours and you go have a beer after that.
Like you just wasted most of your workout, like half of your
workout. It takes about two weeks for
your body to completely come outof that as well.
Terrible for your liver. Everything goes kind of into
like protection mode. When you consume an alcoholic
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beverage goes your liver starts go to go into OverDrive.
Your liver is super important for for everything in your body.
It kind of is like your filtration system for your body.
So when you put poison in your body alcohol, your liver has to
focus all of its efforts on that.
It can't focus on creating stomach bile, which is going to
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help remove all the toxins from your body.
Everything else kind of goes into freeze and so you're kind
of paralyzing your system from making forward momentum in any
way. 11 drink. Is there, is there any of these
diets that you advise against some of the ones that are common
now or You know, I've had boys, I have a lot of boys that take
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tests and fucking love the carnivore diet, those kind of
things. I don't know anything about
them. I know my body's in ketosis
because it has to be because it's part of the cure to the
symptom of what I have. And it works for me.
And. But I know it's not great for
your heart, you know? And yeah.
So what that carnivore diet doesis it just it eliminates for a
period of time all of the fermentable fibers and starches
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in your diet. So that's like sugars, any kind
of fiber that comes from vegetables, any kind of really
anything that again, it can be fermentable.
So a lot of times the first stepis clearing that out and getting
rid of the bacteria. That way you can actually create
a new environment where the healthy bacteria can thrive.
So in a lot of cases that can really change people's lives.
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The the gut is super important. Like I said, the liver is super
important. They're all kind of related.
If you have a lot of excess circulating hormones and toxins
and your liver is not functioning properly and your
guts not functioning properly, you end up with like this
circulation of things that are never clearing out of your
system. And then when you have those
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bacterial overgrowths, when you eat anything at all, you're
going to have crazy systemic response.
You're not bloating, it's just going to be super uncomfortable.
So that can be have a really, really helpful tool for people
who are struggling with their gut or their digestion.
Yeah. There's also a lot of
implications for it in the cancer communities and people
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with seizures even. They're finding that these
ketogenic diets, like truly ketogenic diets are really
beneficial for certain people, Alzheimer's, things like that,
even even. Cancer cells, I Yeah.
Absolutely. So I wouldn't like completely
rule those things out. That's going to be super
individual based on people, but most people would benefit from
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just getting rid of things that come in packages that are, you
know, processed and sticking to more single foods that are grown
from the earth. Something that I think is unique
to you, which is why I think youare such a great influencer.
Whether you understand that, when you whether you know that
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you're that or not, you are. And what's up?
It's like I don't want to go listen to a motivational speaker
who's never struggled in their life.
I don't want to, if I'm going togo see a personal trainer, I
don't want somebody that's been inject their entire life.
I want somebody that knows what it's like to not be healthy too,
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because that has a profound impact, you know, on, on how to.
Deal with that. So it's.
Relatable. It's it's, I think that you'd
have more nuance than somebody that didn't have that wisdom
before. It's like, you know, I don't
know, because food is a disease,man.
Food's an addiction. It.
Is 100% and the people who are creating the food know that
(56:23):
there's food scientists who are developing food specifically to
target centers in your brain to keep you addicted to eating it
100% and if you don't think so you are fooling yourself they
know they know that you can't have just one Lays potato chip
there's a reason for that they developed the texture they
developed the saltiness, the sweetness, everything.
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This is like a science, so it isan industry.
Anything that can make money is going to become tainted and
corrupted. These potato chips is the crack
cocaine of the potato chips. I would.
I would agree. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
They are good. Yeah.
I agree with you. There's actually like inside the
bodybuilding community, I think there's a lot of people who
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would agree that like you want to take advice from the person
who had to beat their genetics, who came from like nothing from
the skinny guy that's now like three, £300, right?
That's the guy you want to listen to because he's had to
navigate some shit to get there.Like he knows what he's doing.
Versus the person that was like always genetically gifted, came
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from an athletic background, didtheir first show, had to diet
for three weeks and won the show.
Like, not that that discounts anything that they've done, but
just to kind of mirror what you're saying.
Think you know through through that adversity creates that that
respect almost for the grind forwhat people have gone through
and how much they've had to learn and how much they've had
to put themselves through the trial and error that's.
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Real. That's so real.
Do you have any advice to kind of wrap it up for man woman that
might be thinking about startinga regiment?
Yeah, the. Fuck are you waiting for?
Time is not slowing down and. It won't hurt you, it's only
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going to make you like. That yeah, if you want to do
anything, if you've like had a thought that you want to do
something different with your life, if you are drinking, if
you are struggling with your relationship with food, if
you're in a relationship that sucks, if you hate your job, if
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you don't like where you live, if you don't like how you look,
anything, you are not stuck there.
Like just do the thing. Do the thing.
Don't let fear or your your pastbehaviors or the the whatever
narrative you're telling yourself that's keeping you in
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that cycle keep you stuck. Just move forward with it.
Just do it. What's the worst that could
happen? Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, That's so real. Yeah.
And it opens so many other doorstoo, you know, just having a
niche opens doors, period, you know, And, and that's a, that's
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a positive thing, you know, and.Obviously there's people out
there like yourself that are actively putting themselves out
there to offer help because they've been through it.
Same with myself. Like reach out.
I guarantee I've probably been through something similar to and
what you're going through. There you go.
But you have to get out of your own way or you know.
(59:37):
Somebody probably too, yeah. Into the fact hey I got AI know
a person I know a guy. Yeah.
That can help you with that. You know, that's real.
That's so real. And it's.
You're on social media at Fit Junkie, right?
Yeah. So fit dot junkie spelled
JUNKEE. That's got.
It right on her hat there, yeah.Junkie.
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I really appreciate you coming on.
I'd I'd love to have you back ontoo, if you're if you're in
Reno, I. Would love that Let's.
Come, let's just come bullshit with us.
It's. Been such, what do you?
Think of this you this was. Awesome.
Yeah, Yeah. I really appreciate you guys
taking the time and obviously spending the energy here with
me. And I've loved this
conversation. Yeah.
We don't have a a motive or a goal, Yeah.
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Or an agenda. When people come on, there's no
notes or script. We just, I love that talk to
cool people, yeah. I absolutely love that this
whole this whole movement, this whole idea is is so cool to me
because I'm really big believer in energy and frequencies.
And I think we do have like sometype of collective
consciousness. So just by us sitting here and
(01:00:41):
doing this and having this conversation, like it is going
to attract some other people whoprobably need to hear it.
So I've like the ultimate respect for what you're doing in
this project. So yeah, I think.
What we do, our goal is if we can help one person get sober,
one person get healthier than our rent is paid because it
doesn't cost us anything, you know, so it's it's our rent gets
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paid just by doing one nice thing.
And we also get another day sober in recovery, feeling
better about ourselves, you know, and and John is on trend
testosterone, steroids and fucking, you know, we just got
to keep him leveled. Just kidding.
(01:01:25):
Are you on those things? Just tea.
OK, Yeah, You look bigger. Ask.
Yeah, you probably feel better too.
Yeah, same. Does that make your hair go
bald? It.
Depends. Let me.
See your hairline? You look, you look great.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. All my guys are on that shit
(01:01:47):
because I don't smoke crack it. Yeah, there you go.
Well, thank you actually. Most men can probably benefit
from, I'm sure, a little testosterone.
I'm. Sure.
Yeah. Well, thank you so much for
being here for and thank you forthe for these guys being on here
too. So we'll see you next time.
Thank you.
Yeah, good boy, You say hi. Well, now you did it here.
Come here, you want to get here talking?
You want to come up, bud? Say hi, Say hi.
Come on. This is like they're going to
think it's a Pitbull show. Everywhere I go it's a Pitbull
show. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
(01:18):
Episode of Pits and Parolees. It's Cara.
Can you sit? Hey.
Sigit. Sit.
They don't speak Romanian, hey. Sit.
Thank you girl. So where are you from?
Say it again. You're from Calaveras County?
Originally from Calaveras County, California.
How'd you get to Reno? Well, that's a good question.
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Yeah. I was living in South Lake Tahoe
for, it's so close, like 15 years.
Yeah, I moved there to ski and do all the mountain things.
And then I got tired of California.
Tahoe's changed a lot over the years.
And so I moved. I sold my place up there, moved
down to Carson. That's actually where I live
(02:01):
now. And then, you know, there's not
much going on in Carson. So I come to Reno for just about
everything and. You work out and.
Yeah, I come to the gyms down here, I go to Diamond and you
know, I work, my work is down here, some of my work is down
here. So that's kind of what led me to
the Reno area, but. And you're a trainer as well,
aren't you? Yeah.
That's pretty cool. I used to train in person.
(02:22):
I don't really do that anymore, but everything I do is primarily
online now, yeah. That's really cool.
So were you always working out, even when you were younger?
No, not really, no, no. It's kind of a new thing, a
newer thing, I guess probably within the last 10 years.
I kind of discovered fitness. I, I used to party.
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That was my thing. Like I was partying for like a
good good chunk of my life. And then it's kind of.
All you do up in South, like that's kind of what I was
telling you before we got on is like, I know a lot of people in
South like, and if you live there full time, there's not a
lot else to do up there. You run out of shit, which is so
funny because it's so beautiful.A.
Lot of outdoorsy stuff to do, but.
(03:04):
There's so much drugs, dude. Yeah, there really is there
really. And especially in Calvarius
County, too, where I grew up, that's like, there's a lot of
drugs up there too. Not much to do other than go to
the river. And everyone who's doing that is
getting drunk and partying and going to the river, basically.
Yeah. So did you stop doing
everything? I wouldn't say I stopped doing
everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
(03:25):
But yeah, I mean, for the most part, I was just like fed up
with my lifestyle. I didn't feel good.
I didn't look good. I didn't have any really quality
people around me or any momentumto speak of.
I wasn't doing anything good with my life or helping anybody
at the time. And then I I kind of just had
enough of my own bullshit. And so I started doing little
(03:48):
workouts in my spare bedroom, like jumping around, doing like
Billy Blanks. Kind of.
Yeah, basically like herpes and jump lunges and whatever I could
do. And I started running and I
learned how to track my macros. So I kind of got my food under
control and saw some awesome results, lost a ton of weight.
(04:08):
And then I found eventually found bodybuilding through that,
weightlifting through that, and the rest is kind of history.
I fell in love with it, yeah. So to me, the biggest disconnect
is, is the first day you start to work out and make it a make
it a fucking pattern, right? Like make it a behavior.
How long did it take you to kindof make it a behavior and be a
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consistent in your life? It's such a good.
Question. I think it was a slow burn
really. Like at first it, it sucks, like
it doesn't feel good. It's hard and it's hard to stay
consistent and keep showing up every day because you don't
really see results in the beginning.
So you really have to have like a strong reason for why you want
to do that. You know, coming off of coming
(04:51):
off of just kind of doing whatever I wanted whenever I
wanted, eating whatever, drinking every weekend, going
out, eating out, It was, it tooka long time to kind of reform
those habits. I'd say probably, probably took
me a couple years to really solidify that that was like a
part of my lifestyle. I was still like in the
beginning, I was still drinking every weekend and undoing all
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the progress that I made each week.
It's such a crazy thing to thinkabout.
It's like, you could, you could work out for fucking two hours,
but if you fucking eat a plate of nachos like it doesn't count,
you know that sucks. Yeah, absolutely.
And I was like kind of fooling myself thinking I could go out
and like drink a bottle of tequila and do whatever I did on
the weekends and then pull it all in in the week and, and
(05:37):
still see results. And like, when I look back at
it, I'm like, I was kind of spinning my wheels.
But it did kind of like eventually I got some traction
in it and, and I realized that it was like, I really felt
better all together. And I don't know, it's like a,
it's a weird thing that happens,or at least it was for me.
It started to kind of push me further and further away from
(05:59):
the people that I was around. And I like, I lost a lot of
friends throughout that and kindof became more of a loner, but
it was also more fulfilling in asense.
So I just wanted more of that. I wanted more of like the
feeling that you get when you actually do something that
that's good for you versus like a cheap thrill.
It lasts longer. And so you kind of like you
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transition away from those like cheap hits and you get me lean
more into the thing that's bringing you that that longer
lasting happiness and that feeling and I.
Bet it brings you a lot of happiness to see it kind of
click in other people too. That's probably a cool feeling.
Fuck. Yeah, that's originally how I
started. Like the whole social media
thing was I just wanted to sharewith people what I was doing so
(06:45):
that if they wanted to try to dothings too, they could and see
what I was doing. I had like a little a little
blog at the time. I don't know if you remember
like WordPress. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I'm a writer. Yeah.
So I had like a little word Press blog and that's there's
people. Are still doing that right.
It's got. To be still a thing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know.
I haven't like logged into it for a while, but I was sharing
recipes and workouts and stuff and like I said, it just, it
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kept gaining traction and gaining momentum and it was like
a snowball effect. I got my first set of weights
and then that felt super good and I started to see the changes
in my body and people started reaching out to me.
And it was, it's like I still, Iwas just having this
conversation with somebody yesterday.
Like I'm just, I'm just living my life.
Like I'm just doing my thing. But through that, like it's
(07:31):
crazy how many people are watching and take something from
that and are inspired that you don't even realize every single
day. Well, that's what I.
Wanted to tell you is I know some people that were inspired
by you. Really.
Yeah. My friend, you might know or you
might not, but her name is, is Miche Michelle.
She's a Barber. In Placerville, you.
Know who that is? Yeah, absolutely.
So it's I'm in a motorcycle club.
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It's her. Dude is in the same club as me,
but in Sacramento. And yeah, so you know, I don't
know if you know that, but like,it's crazy how the world
connects. But she has in the last like 3
months gone fucking balls in thewalls just five days a week and
now thinking about changing whather purpose of life is.
And I love her with my whole heart.
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And and I know that you've definitely had an impact in one
way or the other on my friend That's.
Like super humbling to hear those kinds of stories.
But it's also, it's what makes it's what makes the human
experience so cool, I think, is that you can connect with
people, you know, in those ways just by living the way that you
live. I'm sure you experienced that
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with with the the motorcycle club too.
And from what you've told me, you're, you probably impact a
lot of people's lives doing that.
Yeah, I think. More than anything, it's the the
sobriety for us. I'm, I'm sober and it's like
John was a guy I worked with. And I think that the steps we
have 11, we have 12 steps, right?
And so the first eleven are all about you and the last one's
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about giving it back. And that's the, and that's the
most important one. That's the only way you actually
lose the obsession and fucking get better is if you help
another person. And then you got to keep doing
that. And if you don't, and it's also
like, damn, how how it's so hardto help somebody else and have
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anything to complain about in your life that day, like being
of service or being selfless. I know it sounds so pretentious
saying it out loud, but it's true.
It's like you just don't feel that way anymore.
You just the only. People that find that
pretentious are the ones that aren't actually doing that in
their own lives. I think that's part of what like
if you want to get really deep, I think that's part of why we're
here is to help other people, I think.
(09:44):
So too and share. Our stories Yeah 1.
Of the best lessons I've ever heard was it's not your job to
be it's not your job to be lovedor understood.
It's your job to love and understand.
It was one of the best things that somebody taught me.
And it was a dude in prison thattold me that you just got out of
prison to tell me that. And I think that was a profound
(10:06):
thing that that dude said. And I understand.
And of course, if everybody loved and understood everybody
else, then of course everybody would be loved and.
Understood. Yeah.
And you know, that's, that's definitely the MO here.
So how'd you get with Diamond? Was it just, were you following
that when they were first going?Yeah, I can't even remember how
I came across it. I think I must have seen it on
(10:26):
social media or something. And.
They're a sponsor of ours are. They of the show.
Yeah, I. Love those guys, the Super
amazing people. From the second I walked in the
door of that place, I just, I could feel the energy obviously
of the owners and the environment that they've created
there and I knew that that was going to be my new home base.
You know there are other gyms around the area obviously, but
(10:49):
is there? Gyms like that in Carson?
No, no, not like that. No, no.
I. Actually go down to Vegas like
every month for a week just to just to go to gyms, just to like
get new, you know, new, be around new environments and be
in the energy. Especially like the bodybuilding
community is pretty small and there's not a whole lot of it up
here. But that place in particular, it
(11:09):
stood out to me just because of the aesthetic to begin with.
But like I said it, what what kept me there was was the
energy, for sure. Yeah.
That dog's so cool too. I got 3 kids so I just can't
have no more dogs, you know? That's like dogs for us, you
know? I want to when my daughter gets
older. I'm definitely getting it.
(11:30):
Do you guys have a dog right now?
Nope, no. No, I have 3 kids you know and
it's just I feel bad because I I'm not at the house a lot and
so to leave my wife with yet another thing to take care of,
I'd feel I'd feel like I'd feel bad so well these.
Are great family dogs. They really are.
They love kids. They're super nerds.
(11:51):
Have you seen? Any of the videos lately of
these pitbulls saving the kids from?
Yeah, you've been seeing those. 2 that's.
Crazy. Yeah, I.
Saw a couple the other day, one was like this baby got
electrocuted like and. He just ripped it back.
I was like. Holy fuck, that's.
Tight. That was a cool.
Fucking and then I saw and you know, once you like like
something on Instagram, it starts like, oh, you like this,
let's show you 14,000 other videos like that.
(12:13):
But I'm not mad at it. It's like it's super cool to see
that. Yeah, that's the whole reason.
So Sakara is a service animal. I trained her as a service
animal. So she goes like everywhere with
me. She flies.
She's been on more airplanes than probably most people.
But that's that's the whole reason why, because I felt so
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connected with her and she really has, you know, been there
for me and in ways that are kindof indescribable.
So, you know, animals are are special like that.
They are. Did you?
So did you do that showdown in Vegas this last week?
No, the Olympia I. Think so.
Wish. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's like the Super Bowlof bodybuilding.
So to go to the. Olympia is like the most
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prestigious honor that you could.
I mean, it's a, it's a huge achievement in the bodybuilding
world. So like, you know, there's the
amateur leagues, like the motherlode that's coming up this
weekend. That's basically like a regional
amateur level show. Once you kind of build your way
through that, you win a couple amateur local shows, you go to
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national shows. Once you win national shows, you
go to the pro leagues, then you win pro shows, you go to the
Olympia. So it's like the top, the top of
the top, but I was down there. I took both of these guys down
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Yeah. We had a great time, yeah.
So in a show like that, it's it's all physique stuff, right?
Yeah, that's really, that's way cool.
How do the classes work with that 'cause I'm curious?
So there are there are differentclasses for both men and women
(15:03):
there. I wouldn't, it's hard to say.
They're like entry level, but there's just different.
There's different classifications for the amount
of muscularity and the shape andthe conditioning, which is
essentially how little body fat you have and like how much
detail you show. And then each division has
different posing to showcase those shapes as well.
(15:25):
So with the women, there's, let's see, there's fit model,
bikini, Wellness, figure, women's physique, bodybuilding
body. Women's bodybuilders are like
the most muscular for sure. And then there's fitness.
The fitness category is like a combination of those are the
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girls that like get up there anddo splits and flips and stuff
like that. So they have like a whole
routine that they do and they have to be jacked and lean at
the same time. And then for the men, it's men's
physique, classic physique. And then there's a couple
different categories of bodybuilding.
There's like a specific bodybuilding division where
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everybody has to weigh 212 lbs, so it kind of keeps it level.
And then there's open bodybuilding.
And that's like the big mass monsters that you see on stage.
That's that's what everyone goesfor to see those guys to.
See the fucking huge ones? Just.
Crazy Jack guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Those, that shit's nuts and it'scrazy because also they don't,
they have to just like fighters,they got to, they got to get
(16:29):
water out the whole deal, right.Yeah, there's a whole science
to. It for a couple of days, yeah.
Not even for a couple days like most they live.
Like that sometimes, huh? Well.
In in terms of like being an athlete in bodybuilding, you
never really have. You're never really off.
You're either in a season of improvement, trying to add
tissue, or you're in your prep, which is what everyone thinks of
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is like the diet where everyone's leaning out most of
the time. Like everyone's a little bit
different, but generally a prep is like 20 weeks, 16 weeks,
something like that. So essentially you're dieting
for that long and you're gettingyourself to a level of body fat,
especially the bodybuilders on stage, they get so shredded.
I mean, they're there's a point in time where they're suffering.
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Like you said, it's like lots ofcardio, very little food,
pulling water, manipulating electrolytes and things like
that to get on stage and get this like super crazy look.
Yeah. No, they look fucking nuts.
It's great. It's like like Olympia.
It's like Mr. Olympia, you know?It's like I'm looking at
gladiators. It's tight.
So is there a person or people you don't have to say their name
(17:37):
if you don't want to, but that you've worked with it has that
has been like you the most impactful in your life seeing
the switch go on and then like maybe the switch went on with
you and maybe we'll start with that.
Is there somebody that influenced you first to kind of
change around when you were getting going that's.
A really good question. I mean, there's definitely a
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couple people that come to mind that I was watching at the time
that were super influential to me.
One of them, her name's Hattie Boydel, she's Australian and
she's she's into powerlifting and she does another federation
which is similar to the IFBB. It's called the WBFF.
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It's a little bit different. But anyways, she she came from a
background of a really severe eating disorder.
That's right. Give it a SEC this.
Is this is biker block? So yeah, just.
But you know, it's crazy easy. Bikes don't even pick it up.
But go ahead, yeah. That's that's nuts to me.
That's crazy. Yeah.
Yeah. So Hattie Boitle, She, she
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influenced me a lot, mainly because she came from a kind of
a similar background as I did. She suffered from an eating
disorder for a really long time.She was anorexic, essentially.
And then she kind of turned thataround and threw her story.
I mean, she's jacked. Like she's got a beautiful
physique and she was one of the really influential people that I
watched another girl called, hername's Emily Hayden, and she was
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just a bikini competitor, bikinipro back in the day.
Those two women definitely influenced me a lot.
Just just specifically, I think the biggest influence I would
say was kind of myself. And that that's going to sound
really weird probably, but like,man, I was just like a piece of
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shit. I really was.
And I didn't want to be that anymore and I want to be
something more. And so it wasn't.
Only your body that changed. It was your mind 100.
Percent, Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.
It. Started as that.
It definitely started as that. But you know, and people you
know, obviously looking at theseother physiques, these
otherworldly physiques, like yousaid, it's like like, whoa, I
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want to do that. That would be so dope.
And then it quickly changed and you realize that throughout that
journey, trying to change your body, you know your, your
mindset, your whole, your whole world flips upside down.
You turn into somebody else. It teaches you so much about
yourself and what you're capableof.
I'm sure that your journey, likewithin sobriety has been similar
(20:04):
to that well. So he was crazy.
Is is 2 years ago I was 270 lbs.Dude, I'm 30 years old.
I know it's fucking crazy early.Yeah, I know, but I'm 61, so it
doesn't, I don't know. It didn't look as much like it,
but then I'll look at pictures. I was like, damn, I was like
every bit of 270 that's. Nuts.
Is that just a reflection of your lifestyle at the time or
dude? Yeah, it's crazy.
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A lot of people gain weight whenthey start sobriety because
there's a, there's a, there's a science behind it.
I can't tell you and I can't articulate it, but it's like.
The hand to mouth fixation or and sugar.
There's something. About the sugar depends on what
you drank too, but a lot of us drank hard alcohol, you know
what I'm saying and I yeah, I drank Mad Dog 2020 it's my
(20:50):
favorite yeah dog yeah so I've. Had a few experiences, two or
three. A day.
It's just like, it was cheap. It was 499, you know?
So that's my favorite, and nice,nice fucking whatever else I
could get my hands on. Sugar is in a Mad Dog fuck.
Probably a lot like. When I think back, that shit's
like mad sweet, yeah. It's mad sweet.
Yeah. Yeah, you don't.
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Well, you didn't need to chase her, but it was also like and
not like the blue Raspberry one.Fuck dude, you need to walk
around. With like blue lips all the
time, dude. It was so bad.
No shame. Yeah, I'm I don't I don't miss
it, but I love telling that story.
People these. Days probably don't even know
what Mad Dog is, no? It's still there, dated.
Yourself some. People some people know but like
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the kids now got fucking sunny Ddrinks.
Spoiled 40. Grams of sugar, Is that a lot?
That's a lot. It's pretty bad.
How much is? In this it's like 2.
Sodas. Probably.
Gotcha. Damn.
Yeah. An ounce has 40 grams of sugar.
Oh OK. I was like, dude, holy shit An.
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Ounce of sugar dog a day, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But see, what's funny is I walked a lot 'cause I was a
crackhead. So I was like, always on the
move. Imagine.
The implications of like your liver and like your insulin
resistance and what you're doing, yeah.
Yeah, well, I got sober 21. Just for you it was.
It's it's only as good as running out of a a burning
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building. Ask you like what was your
turning point? What happened with that?
Cause crap will get a hold of you man.
Yeah. So Jill institutions,
psychiatric holds, none of thosethings had an impact on my life
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and I've been through it all andevery one of them was a result
of me having a disease. And the way it works for
Alcoholics is anybody that's in my opinion, if you ask me what
an alcoholic or an addict is, it's not.
It has nothing to do with how much you drink or use.
Believe it or not, it has everything to do with a
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deficiency and your spirituality.
So if you have a spiritual deficiency of any kind and any
level, it will manifest an addiction of some form.
Some people use gambling or sex or whatever else, but for me, it
was fucking all of the above. It was anything I could get my
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hands on that would Get Me Out of me.
You know, 'cause I'm just. Spiritual deficiency means
you're not comfortable in your own skin.
You, you know, you just don't feel great, you know?
So when I was 21, I was on PearlHole and, you know, I fell
asleep at the wheel of my ToyotaCorolla.
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And I was hosting the booty shaking contest at the Brew
Brothers on Tuesday nights. Swear.
Yeah. And, you know, like, who fucking
hangs out at Brew Brothers on Tuesday nights?
You're probably already got a problem.
And one night I fell asleep at the wheel of that car.
And you know, it's on paper and I can talk about it now, but I
was on paper and I, I, I walked home and I when I walked home
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that night, I looked back in my car was engulfed in flames.
And I had gone about 90 miles anhour by the time I finally hit
something. And because I was unconscious,
so my foot was just on the gas, right?
And I woke up and I remember thinking like, oh fuck, I need
to get out of here because I wason paper and I didn't want to
violate. So I fucking pulled myself out
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upside down and pulled my key out of the ignition because
that's where my house key was. And it was on fire and started
walking and got home. Got to the basically, the cops
came to my mom's house and they said we're looking for your
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son's body. And that was what they told my
mom. Yeah.
And so my mom fucking did what any mom does in that situation.
She went to my house and I was just asleep in my bed, but she
woke me up. And if she didn't come to that
house that night to wake me up, I would have died of a punctured
lung. And when I finally got to the
hospital, I had a broken leg. My L2 and my L3 vertebrae had
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fused from that car accident. I had a concussion and a hernia
and a crack sternum, 3 broken ribs and and the punctured lung
was the worst of all of it. And and so that was that
accident was on April 26th of 2014 and April 27th of 2014 was
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my sobriety day the next day. Yeah dude.
So that was the day. So basically all it was was
like, if I don't stop drinking, I will die.
And if I don't stop doing this and I suffer from a spiritual
deficiency. And I sat around in the hospital
room with a bunch of sober people who I asked them if they
thought I had a problem and theywere like, yeah, dog, you got a
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fucking problem. And and they said something that
was pretty profound. They said that's between you and
God, you know, or whatever you believe in, you know, whatever
higher power you can fathom, that's between you and that,
that thing. And, but like the chances are
astronomical that you probably got a problem.
And so that was the last time. And I was, so that was 11, a
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little over 11 years ago and I was 21.
And, you know, I just had to basically make a decision
because I'm. I'm sure I could have justified
more drug and alcohol abuse. Of course, you know, I'm sure I
could have because I was 21. How many is the reason?
Yeah. How many 21 year olds have
crashed cars and that bad even you know, I'm sure there's been
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lots that have not been thoughtspart of being.
Young man it. Is yeah.
So I was just, to me, it was, itwas, it was just like, I won't
survive another accident like that, you know, or another
situation like that. So it's just better that I cut
that out of my life and I did. And then I found the rooms that
we talked about and fixed the deficiency in me.
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And all that is, is treating that deficiency because there's
no cure for alcoholism or addiction in my opinion.
It's just treating it with maintaining your spiritual
condition. So today I just try to like we
were talking about help another person, which I don't do all the
time and try and live in anybodyelse's will, but but mine 'cause
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my will will only get me and hitdeath institutions jail.
So I got to think I got to thinkabout think of the disease like
an allergy. So that's that's.
A lot of people never have that realization that like, this is
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probably a me thing, right? And that's kind of why we do
this. Is this like, if you're not
happy with how you look or how you feel, there's a reason you
came on today. It is your fault and there's a
reason because there's somebody that might hear you and go,
fuck, I just got to start lifting weights and eating
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better. It's so easy, you know?
And you know, if there's somebody that's struggling with
alcohol, they'll never know. And so all we're doing here is
planting seeds, in my opinion, is what the show is based on, is
planting seeds to a different level of existence that's
tangible. Does that make sense?
Yeah. Absolutely, yeah.
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That's that's. That's so real.
That's so real. I think like that, that just
touched a nerve because what I've always tried to, to
promote, if anything on my page through my living, through what
I represent, it's that you do need to take accountability for
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yourself. Like whatever that looks like
for you. It doesn't matter if you were in
a dead end relationship, somebody treated you poorly, you
lost your job, you lost everything.
Somebody close to you passed away, like whatever your house
burned down. You have a responsibility for
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your own life. And although there are a lot of
tragic things that happened to people and their childhood or in
their lives, that's a part of the human experience.
And you can't change that. But you can definitely take
accountability for how you move forward in life.
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And so many people forget that. Or they lean on whatever the
crutch is, the drinking, the drugs.
That's what I did for most of mylife.
I wasted so much of my life justwinging it, flying by the seat
of my pants every day. No idea that I could actually
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fix it, that I could change it. Self medicating, like you said,
it comes in many forms, too many, many forms.
But when you take all that away and you're forced to sit with
it, the only thing left at the end of the day is you and how
you're going to move forward from that and how you choose to
live your life. And you can choose at any moment
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what you're going to do. Any moment you can change, you
are so. So what are you?
Are you saying that if you maintain a victim mentality,
you're not going to have the results you want?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. Nobody.
'S going to want to be around you either.
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And I've met people who are 100%victims in their lives, who
choose not to be victims and choose to do something about it.
And those people are the most profound influence that I've
ever had in my life. You know it's.
Actually super liberating when you realize that that the world
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doesn't owe you anything. And again, you are the writer.
You get to steer the ship, you get to pick and it's very easy.
It's way easier to find a reasonwhy, why you want to be a piece
of shit, for lack of a better term, why you want to turn to
these things. It's always going to be easier
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to turn to that victim mentality.
It it's like it's so toxic. It exists in so many places.
And once you lift that veil and you realize like, again, you
take that accountability, it's so liberating.
It makes everything like so mucheasier.
You're just like, you know what?No, I like, I'm giving this
thing or that thing or this experience or that person, all
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of my power by doing that. When you do that, you're
breathing life into something that is keeping you sick.
At that point, it does feel veryliberating.
It is kind of like, it's makes it seem very simple and at the
end of the day, it is pretty simple, yeah.
That's what's funny. But we complicate everything.
Yeah, no, I, I fucking wow. I agree.
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It's crazy how much of a parallel that draws to sobriety
too, because we we also, we havea whole part of the, of the
steps that we work. And it's about accountability.
And it's the one that is so profound that it truly will
determine if you lose the obsession or not.
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You know, and it's you go through, you make a list of
every resentment you've ever hadfrom the time you're born to
present. And you go through each one and
you write them down and you write how it affects you.
This is like years of therapy written in a book.
And it's like free. It's crazy.
And anybody could do this for anything.
But, you know, you write it downand then you write what it
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affects. And then when you're all done
with that, you write a fourth column and the fourth column is
what your part is. And Alcoholics generally are
responsible for like 99% of the resentments that they've ever
had. You know, and it's like you
learn accountability that day. You learn that you're not a
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victim, that you have a part to,you know, and, but, but I agree
with you. It's like even if you are, you
don't have to live that way. And, and that's, and that's the
part of that. If you use the victim mentality
for sympathy or for, for sittingidle and just kind of watching
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your life pass away, then you have a responsibility to, to
your own resentment. And, you know, we we, we can
choose what we do with the rest of our lives, you know, So no,
that's it's crazy how how what she said kind of draws because I
think the first battle of being healthy is fixing your brain.
Yeah, it. Is you know.
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And it's a huge. Piece of the puzzle.
I mean the word like, if you want to, to liken it to working
out or exercising, like that's the easy part in my opinion, or
prepping for a show. The hardest part is harnessing
what's going on upstairs and andkeeping that in control.
Sure it is with sobriety too, you know, I know it was for me
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for a long time. That was it.
That was, it's like, you know, you practice something so many
times. You practice having a drink,
going out and having a drink. What for whatever, good times,
bad times, bored times, whatever.
It was just the times it takes awhile to, to undo that to, to to
undo those behaviors. It's easy to move to that.
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So that is 100% of mental thing you don't need like your
physical body can withstand quite a lot.
And that's, that's generally speaking, the easier part of the
puzzle. I think most the world would be
such a better place if most people could get control of
their thoughts and harness thoseand turn it around into
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something better and stop letting them go to that place.
Yeah, that's what that is. That's very real.
That's hard. It's cool that you mentioned
writing all that stuff down. One thing that really helped me
in in my journey was writing things down, and I still do it
to this day. Like what?
Kind of things. Everything, all the things like
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for example, I when I was reallyyoung, I had some traumas that
happened and it led me to develop an eating disorder when
I was six years old. So from the time I was six years
old until my late 20s, I had an eating disorder.
And on top of that, the drug andalcohol abuse, you know, the
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toxic relationships, not taking care of myself, not valuing
myself, the list goes on. All of these things were just
symptomatic of me not being ableto.
I had displaced emotions used tomy thoughts were all over the
place. I didn't know how to control
that. I didn't have any grasp over
what was I didn't even know why I was doing the things that I
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was doing. I don't know, maybe you can
relate to that. It wasn't like I woke up every
day and said, man, because this happened to me, like I'm going
to go do this just because it feels better.
Like I didn't know it was just, you know, that's all I knew.
That's how I was dealing with it.
And there was a point in my lifewhere obviously I saw some
therapists and I hate to say it,but like, that shit wasn't
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working for me. It really wasn't helping.
And it wasn't really until I, again, the accountability piece,
I really had to have an honest conversation with myself.
Like, OK, what is your role in this?
Cause like the common denominator of all these shitty
things that are happening to youis you.
You are at the centerpiece of this.
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So I started journaling, and when I started journaling, I
didn't have like a method to it.I started writing things down.
Everything that was on my brain,I started writing it down.
And throughout the process of that, I was able to start like
reading through these things andjust seeing these patterns.
Patterns develop, triggers develop.
And I've always been like reallyinterested in human psychology
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and behavior. So through that, I started kind
of analyzing those pieces and realizing that all these things
were, again, were just symptomatic and it was just that
I had practiced poor, poor coping mechanisms for so long.
And I was like, was that learned?
Was it taught? That's a really.
Good question. I think it, it was just, it was
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a matter of my circumstances andmy environment and kind of what
I fell into at the time and it felt good.
Nature versus nurture kind of thing.
Got it when you like. For me, when I first started
doing drugs and drinking, it waslike it felt really good because
you know, obviously the euphoriaand the feeling that you get
from being high or drunk at the time.
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And then for me it was like the social environment and you know,
everything that came along with that was selling drugs for a
long time. So along with that, there's tons
of people around you all the time.
So it can give you this false sense of like, oh, I have all
these friends and this and you know, everyone loves me.
And it's not that at all. But it, it took a long time to
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to really start to unravel all that and realize that it was
just, it was all fake. Like none of it was real and
none of it was helping. And I was just postponing the
inevitable and burying these things down, not actually facing
them. And when I finally realized,
like, this was a reason why I was doing all these things,
that's when that's when the realwork begins.
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Like, that's when it actually gets really tough because you
have to face yourself. Like you're holding a mirror up
to yourself going, oh, I did that.
Yeah. That's so real.
Yeah, that was that was the hardest part about getting sober
at 21 is realizing I didn't haveany friends, real friends.
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It was because the only friends I had were the ones that I had
because I got fucked up with fucked.
That was so hard because it was like 21 and all the other like
it's unique getting sober younger than older because
getting sober younger, you just think that's what you do.
And so it's so unique to someonewho's older, because it might
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not necessarily be the case, butwhen you're 21, everybody's
doing the same shit, you know? And so when I got there, I had
nobody and nothing, you know, And it was, it was, you hit it
right on the head. You realize who your friends
are. I mean, you, you realize that.
And I, I learned the hardest lesson ever, which is the people
that are your friends genuinely are the ones that don't want
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anything from you in return. They'll take you fat, skinny,
fucking, whatever. And that's, and that's real.
So you, you mentioned you had aneating disorder.
Was that not eating? So I was bulimic the first time
I I made myself throw up. I was six years old and I
remember it really vividly was. It was it something that you had
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done on your own? Was it influenced by anything on
the outside? You know, I thought.
About this question a lot and I can't remember where I might
have learned that or picked thatup.
It might have been something that I saw on TVI can't imagine
a six year old would have the wherewithal to know.
How? To do that, I just know that I
started doing that and I startedusing food as a, an emotional
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coping mechanism at a really young age.
And that worsened and it progressed, you know, into my
teens. It got really, really bad.
It was like, and then there's like so much shame around that
too, because I never told anyonelike my whole life about that
until I was much, much older andshared that.
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But I think it's something that definitely needs to be talked
about 'cause I know a lot of women personally who have been
through that and struggled with that and it's really left a mark
on them. Obviously takes a toll on your
health. And it LED, you know, it led me
to other, other vices as well. But yeah, it had a grip on me
for a long, long time. And I understand it now.
I understand what that was, but I didn't at the time, I felt
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super out of control like with drugs too, just like it's just
something that I knew was a temporary relief and I didn't
really even realize that I was using the food in the ways that
I was also using drugs and alcohol.
It was just, you know, to numb whatever things I didn't want to
actually feel or face so so. Let me ask you this, 'cause this
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is important, 'cause, 'cause I have a daughter.
And, and I think that that that,believe me, is unique to women.
Not always, but it is more generally.
And you know, you know, I think about that and it's like, I want
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my daughter to be, she's fat andI want her to be fat forever
because she's 3. She's she's so fucking cute, you
know, and but it's like even my wife will think that she's gang
weight. And I was like, you haven't.
What is your, you got a girl whosuffer from that same thing in
front of you. What, what would you say to her
now? Is there some that are listening
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and they're going to listen 'cause I know there's some that
suffer from that, you know? Really similarly to what you
said about having a spiritual deficiency.
You're not fat, first of all, right?
Yeah. And even if you are like, that's
not, that's not the answer, right?
It's not the answer at all. You need to eat food and you
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need to take care of your body because you only get one of
them. And life is really short.
I would say that you need to talk to somebody that
understands where you've been. And if you want to talk to me,
you should reach out to me because I have a lot of
experience with it. And probably some very healthy
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dieting to. Yeah, absolutely.
I eat great now. Like I love, I love eating and
getting strong and like putting that to good use.
But really the reason why peopledo stuff like that is because
there's something going on inside of them that they're
avoiding that they don't want toface.
And it's probably really going to suck to come to that
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realization, but you're never going to.
You're never going to fix it. It's either going to stay or get
worse or transfer to something more detrimental.
You could die. And if you tell one person what
that is, it will lose its power.That's 100%.
That's the other thing is like just talking about it, it loses
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so much of its power and, and getting it out there and, and
voicing it. There's so many people out there
that can help with that and justtelling your story and just
talking about it. It's huge.
Like I said, writing things down, even if you're ashamed to
talk to somebody about it, startwriting things down and like
really, honestly write things down.
Like why did I do this today? What were the feelings that I
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was feeling? What caused that?
You know, and, and get to the root of it.
If it's something that happened when you were a kid or something
that you saw by example, it's it's OK.
Like we all have that stuff. Everybody has that stuff.
It doesn't define you. What defines you is who you
decide to be going forward from that.
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And you don't have to stay that way.
You don't. But you do have to take
accountability for it, because odds are it's something that
you're not facing inside yourself.
And that's not to say that you might not be a victim in
whatever that might be, but it is.
But if you hold on to it totally, you know, that's real.
Yeah. I, for me, it was like I thought
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about that because I was big bigger.
I didn't look crazy big, but I, I didn't feel great about
myself. And I finally started looking
into what it is. And it turns out my body doesn't
process bread and pasta well and.
Do you have like actual celiac disease or?
Colitis so that's what it is andit's either get on a bunch of
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fucking medication and continue to eat like a fucking nut job
and or change your diet. So I just stop a cut out bread
and sugar and most carbs and fasted intermittently for the
last two years and that's it. And it changed everything I.
Bet you feel so much better. I do.
And and the every symptom of colitis is gone.
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That's awesome. So it's like, do I have colitis
or do I have, you know, a food problem, which is something else
I'd really like to get into talking to you with about is,
you know, we're not political byany means.
But in in the news, RFK talks a lot about changing the diet, the
changing the food in America. You can totally disagree with
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RFK's policies and politics and whatever.
That's not what I meant talking about.
I'm talking about that can not be a partisan thing.
That has to just be. No, that's very real.
It's. Fucking poison in the food dude.
Whatever you put in your body isgoing to become you at the end
of the day. No, I actually like, I actually
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like a lot of the the things that he talks about.
And I think he brings a lot of things to light that people want
to shove under the rug or ignore.
It's poison in the food. The whole food system, the
medical industry, it is so backwards.
It's very twisted. It is.
I work with a lot of people now.So I used to coach for about
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four years straight and then I Istopped for a while.
I took some time off, I stepped back and then I stepped back
into the coaching space after having educated myself, worked
with some mentors. But my passion now is
specifically around people's diets, their, their gut health,
their hormone health, these things, and a lot of these are
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caused by the way that people are eating, the way that people
are living. And so I'm definitely really
passionate about that. And I agree with you.
I think the food is it's absolute garbage.
It, it really is. But a simple, a simple fix for
it is really just to to choose more Whole Foods, more things
that are grown locally with goodgrowing practices.
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And then you. Mentioned the macros, which I
know is really the the pivotal thing there, right?
Depends. It's gonna depend on how much
you. Work out is that yeah it.
Depends on your goals too, right?
So like, your macros basically are gonna dictate, you know, the
amount of energy that you're taking in each day?
Yeah, that's going to be like the total amount of protein,
amount of carbohydrate, amount of fat that makes up your
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caloric intake throughout the day.
And that can be adjusted based off of your goals.
Not everybody wants to be a bodybuilder, but everybody has
different needs. Like you said, it's based off of
your lifestyle. You know, how much energy are
you expending each day? Your genetics, your exercise
history, all that kind of stuff goes into that.
So it's kind of a moving target also, and it's really cool.
Like within bodybuilding, those things are adjustable depending
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on where you want to be on the spectrum or what your goal is.
And then within your macros, youhave your micros.
Your micros are like your minerals, your vitamins, all of
the things that actually make you healthy and make you
optimized at the end of the day.And the micros is the discussion
where we come into all these health issues, colitis, things
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like that. That's where you can really get
specific with it and, and learn what your body really needs and
where you're deficient. Almost everybody walking around
has some kind of dysfunction going on in their body, whether
it's from their gut, their liver, their hormones, and
almost all of those are direct relationship to what we're
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eating. Yeah.
I know it's crazy because I grewup in I, I was born in 92 and I
think that that do you remember the food pyramid?
Yeah, there was like bread at the top.
I was like or the bottom was like the biggest one as.
I just talked about that with mymom the other day because my
mom, I don't think. They've even changed that.
I don't know, I. Think they did change it.
I just don't think that they putit in schools and shit anymore.
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Yeah, because it's not in my kids school, but my mom lived by
that and it was like, that's like, it was like, yeah, there's
like a lot of fucking Lucky Charms and yeah, Cinnamon Toast
Crunch and Toast. Well, it.
Has B vitamins in it. Does it?
It's healthy. Fuck yeah.
Yeah. No, you can't.
Call the. Breakfast food.
Which one I? Think that's how they market it.
Like all the Super sugary cereals.
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Like on the front it says something like grain.
Whole grain. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
B vitamins or yeah yeah for. Sure, great.
Source of protein, There's like 3-3 grams of protein.
It's so. Funny talking about being on a
diet when I used to smoke crack.Yeah, have you?
You have to have the guy, I can't remember his name on
Instagram, but he's the guy. That's like I don't give a fuck
if they're saying this has red guys.
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All the time he was like, I usedto smoke crack in my grandma's
basement. And that's like, that's, that's
my. Father was like, Yep, yeah.
Yeah, I'm not an advocate for crack, but.
I mean he isn't either anymore but but it's.
Pretty fun, you know what I'm saying?
It's pretty tight. Crack was never my thing.
I definitely was into uppers though.
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I did. Did you?
Like coke they did. A lot of coke and you like.
Coke. You'd love Crack I.
Did I did crack a couple of times, OK.
Smoked crack. With my friends and crystal meth
and everything else that would get me that.
But for me, the the crack gave me a little bit of like a like a
little bit too much of like, oh,he's looking at the window like,
(50:33):
oh, man. The paranoid, always looking.
Over my shoulder, like yeah. So I've been sober 11 years.
I haven't lost the paranoia. Yeah.
Still look at the. I got cameras in every, like,
fucking yeah. Just like, I know what your
license plate is. I know.
I know what John had for breakfast.
Do you know? Oh, when.
(50:54):
Yeah. Hunt.
So Hunter Biden's son talked about smoking crack.
Yeah. Yeah, I'm not going to lie.
Hunter Biden's son. There's like a food pyramid, but
for drugs like Hunter Biden style crack is something like
that you like to. It's like really, And it's, but
it's really he hit it on the head.
It's like every 30 seconds you're hitting that fucking
pipe, dude. It's like he might have, he
(51:17):
might have gotten more people hooked on crack than ever
before. He made it sound so tight, too.
You know, I wonder if we can putthe clip in 100.
Biden talking about fucking smoking crack.
Yeah, you should. Find that.
It is not a partisan issue either, but America.
Yeah. Yeah, What's crazy is there's a
lot of guys that I know that do hard drugs like that and go to
(51:39):
the gym and get fucking yeah, gowork out.
Which is like, because all I wanted to do was go for walks.
Yeah, I don't know. So yeah, they.
Were not really synonymous for me at the time, but drinking
definitely lingered for a while.That was when I kind of hung on
to and on the weekends. Like in the beginning of my
fitness journey, I was still like doing lines on the weekends
(52:01):
and. Oh.
You were like kind of delusionalabout it.
It took me a little bit to like fully transition out of that
does. That impact your body's ability
to absolutely produce muscle, things like that.
It does. I'm sure it does one.
Drink. One drink diminishes your body's
ability to recover and create new tissue by 46%.
(52:22):
So like if you go to the gym andyou get a killer workout in,
you're there for two hours and you go have a beer after that.
Like you just wasted most of your workout, like half of your
workout. It takes about two weeks for
your body to completely come outof that as well.
Terrible for your liver. Everything goes kind of into
like protection mode. When you consume an alcoholic
(52:44):
beverage goes your liver starts go to go into OverDrive.
Your liver is super important for for everything in your body.
It kind of is like your filtration system for your body.
So when you put poison in your body alcohol, your liver has to
focus all of its efforts on that.
It can't focus on creating stomach bile, which is going to
(53:06):
help remove all the toxins from your body.
Everything else kind of goes into freeze and so you're kind
of paralyzing your system from making forward momentum in any
way. 11 drink. Is there, is there any of these
diets that you advise against some of the ones that are common
now or You know, I've had boys, I have a lot of boys that take
(53:29):
tests and fucking love the carnivore diet, those kind of
things. I don't know anything about
them. I know my body's in ketosis
because it has to be because it's part of the cure to the
symptom of what I have. And it works for me.
And. But I know it's not great for
your heart, you know? And yeah.
So what that carnivore diet doesis it just it eliminates for a
period of time all of the fermentable fibers and starches
(53:52):
in your diet. So that's like sugars, any kind
of fiber that comes from vegetables, any kind of really
anything that again, it can be fermentable.
So a lot of times the first stepis clearing that out and getting
rid of the bacteria. That way you can actually create
a new environment where the healthy bacteria can thrive.
So in a lot of cases that can really change people's lives.
(54:15):
The the gut is super important. Like I said, the liver is super
important. They're all kind of related.
If you have a lot of excess circulating hormones and toxins
and your liver is not functioning properly and your
guts not functioning properly, you end up with like this
circulation of things that are never clearing out of your
system. And then when you have those
(54:36):
bacterial overgrowths, when you eat anything at all, you're
going to have crazy systemic response.
You're not bloating, it's just going to be super uncomfortable.
So that can be have a really, really helpful tool for people
who are struggling with their gut or their digestion.
Yeah. There's also a lot of
implications for it in the cancer communities and people
(54:57):
with seizures even. They're finding that these
ketogenic diets, like truly ketogenic diets are really
beneficial for certain people, Alzheimer's, things like that,
even even. Cancer cells, I Yeah.
Absolutely. So I wouldn't like completely
rule those things out. That's going to be super
individual based on people, but most people would benefit from
(55:18):
just getting rid of things that come in packages that are, you
know, processed and sticking to more single foods that are grown
from the earth. Something that I think is unique
to you, which is why I think youare such a great influencer.
Whether you understand that, when you whether you know that
(55:39):
you're that or not, you are. And what's up?
It's like I don't want to go listen to a motivational speaker
who's never struggled in their life.
I don't want to, if I'm going togo see a personal trainer, I
don't want somebody that's been inject their entire life.
I want somebody that knows what it's like to not be healthy too,
(56:01):
because that has a profound impact, you know, on, on how to.
Deal with that. So it's.
Relatable. It's it's, I think that you'd
have more nuance than somebody that didn't have that wisdom
before. It's like, you know, I don't
know, because food is a disease,man.
Food's an addiction. It.
Is 100% and the people who are creating the food know that
(56:23):
there's food scientists who are developing food specifically to
target centers in your brain to keep you addicted to eating it
100% and if you don't think so you are fooling yourself they
know they know that you can't have just one Lays potato chip
there's a reason for that they developed the texture they
developed the saltiness, the sweetness, everything.
(56:46):
This is like a science, so it isan industry.
Anything that can make money is going to become tainted and
corrupted. These potato chips is the crack
cocaine of the potato chips. I would.
I would agree. Yeah, yeah, for sure.
They are good. Yeah.
I agree with you. There's actually like inside the
bodybuilding community, I think there's a lot of people who
(57:08):
would agree that like you want to take advice from the person
who had to beat their genetics, who came from like nothing from
the skinny guy that's now like three, £300, right?
That's the guy you want to listen to because he's had to
navigate some shit to get there.Like he knows what he's doing.
Versus the person that was like always genetically gifted, came
(57:29):
from an athletic background, didtheir first show, had to diet
for three weeks and won the show.
Like, not that that discounts anything that they've done, but
just to kind of mirror what you're saying.
Think you know through through that adversity creates that that
respect almost for the grind forwhat people have gone through
and how much they've had to learn and how much they've had
to put themselves through the trial and error that's.
(57:52):
Real. That's so real.
Do you have any advice to kind of wrap it up for man woman that
might be thinking about startinga regiment?
Yeah, the. Fuck are you waiting for?
Time is not slowing down and. It won't hurt you, it's only
(58:13):
going to make you like. That yeah, if you want to do
anything, if you've like had a thought that you want to do
something different with your life, if you are drinking, if
you are struggling with your relationship with food, if
you're in a relationship that sucks, if you hate your job, if
(58:34):
you don't like where you live, if you don't like how you look,
anything, you are not stuck there.
Like just do the thing. Do the thing.
Don't let fear or your your pastbehaviors or the the whatever
narrative you're telling yourself that's keeping you in
(58:56):
that cycle keep you stuck. Just move forward with it.
Just do it. What's the worst that could
happen? Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, That's so real. Yeah.
And it opens so many other doorstoo, you know, just having a
niche opens doors, period, you know, And, and that's a, that's
(59:17):
a positive thing, you know, and.Obviously there's people out
there like yourself that are actively putting themselves out
there to offer help because they've been through it.
Same with myself. Like reach out.
I guarantee I've probably been through something similar to and
what you're going through. There you go.
But you have to get out of your own way or you know.
(59:37):
Somebody probably too, yeah. Into the fact hey I got AI know
a person I know a guy. Yeah.
That can help you with that. You know, that's real.
That's so real. And it's.
You're on social media at Fit Junkie, right?
Yeah. So fit dot junkie spelled
JUNKEE. That's got.
It right on her hat there, yeah.Junkie.
(59:58):
I really appreciate you coming on.
I'd I'd love to have you back ontoo, if you're if you're in
Reno, I. Would love that Let's.
Come, let's just come bullshit with us.
It's. Been such, what do you?
Think of this you this was. Awesome.
Yeah, Yeah. I really appreciate you guys
taking the time and obviously spending the energy here with
me. And I've loved this
conversation. Yeah.
We don't have a a motive or a goal, Yeah.
(01:00:20):
Or an agenda. When people come on, there's no
notes or script. We just, I love that talk to
cool people, yeah. I absolutely love that this
whole this whole movement, this whole idea is is so cool to me
because I'm really big believer in energy and frequencies.
And I think we do have like sometype of collective
consciousness. So just by us sitting here and
(01:00:41):
doing this and having this conversation, like it is going
to attract some other people whoprobably need to hear it.
So I've like the ultimate respect for what you're doing in
this project. So yeah, I think.
What we do, our goal is if we can help one person get sober,
one person get healthier than our rent is paid because it
doesn't cost us anything, you know, so it's it's our rent gets
(01:01:04):
paid just by doing one nice thing.
And we also get another day sober in recovery, feeling
better about ourselves, you know, and and John is on trend
testosterone, steroids and fucking, you know, we just got
to keep him leveled. Just kidding.
(01:01:25):
Are you on those things? Just tea.
OK, Yeah, You look bigger. Ask.
Yeah, you probably feel better too.
Yeah, same. Does that make your hair go
bald? It.
Depends. Let me.
See your hairline? You look, you look great.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. All my guys are on that shit
(01:01:47):
because I don't smoke crack it. Yeah, there you go.
Well, thank you actually. Most men can probably benefit
from, I'm sure, a little testosterone.
I'm. Sure.
Yeah. Well, thank you so much for
being here for and thank you forthe for these guys being on here
too. So we'll see you next time.
Thank you.
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