Kathy Courtney #26 | Fourth Street Live - 4th Street Live Podcast

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Is White Rabbit an energy drink?You did.
Yeah. I like these.
But I had it was a Cabo cratum one.
Yeah. Oh, cool.
Yeah, Yeah. I don't today.
Yeah. And then so if you look, it's
like a leaf, you know? And then so like, I like it,

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brought it home to my dad. My dad's like, uh oh, yeah.
My dad's like, and I was like, Dad, I'm not smoking crack dog,
you know what I mean? But yeah.
Do you drink kombucha? No.
Yeah. I never knew.
Yeah. But for me, I'm like we're
arguing over. The.
Which is. Right now on day three of no

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sleep. So like, what are we fighting
for? Like I agree I.
Didn't wake up this morning fucking for.
You. No, totally.
So how long have you had the Courtney Group?
Well, it's been through a coupleof incarnations, this latest one
for about 18 months, but there'sbeen a version of it for 20

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years. 20 years and it's always been you, it's been yours.
And what all do you got? You guys are doing brokerage
right? Yeah, we're Realtors, Gotcha.
In the real estate space, got about 16 of us on the team or 16
agents on the team right now. Gotcha.
Yeah. So when you started the
coordinate group, were you in? Were you in the rooms already?

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Yeah. Gotcha.
How long before that did you getinto the real estate?
Well, you want to go way back. Way back.
OK, because you're Reno local, aren't you?
No, you're not. Where are you from?
We came, we came from West Palm Beach, FL.
Oh, so I was in West? That's why Anne is crazy.
Just kidding, I don't know. It was crazy though.

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I had to get out of there. I love that area.
You do. I love, I love looking at.
It yeah, I love looking at it. It's got real pretty vegetation,
but I don't know because I just I left I, I, I had had it.
So you moved from West Palm to here?
Yeah, but I got into real estatein West Palm and it was, it was
kind of a it wasn't on purpose, right?

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I was in my very early 30s and Ihad basically trashed my life.
I was living in a barn driving acar.
Well, I used to say it was a carthat would only turn right, but
the real truth of the matter is I could only turn it right so.
What do you think? It had no power steering or

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what? Well, it was.
It was a 1979 Buick Riviera, which was about yeah, 20 feet
long, 2 doors, Landau roof. That's a boat.
But my Landau roof had a RIP in the middle, so like flap and the
door to get in you needed to like kind of put your hip into
it to get it to go up to go in. And it was in Florida, there

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would be like 4 lanes and then acenter turn lane.
So to turn left you had to get, it wasn't really accurate on the
gas pedal. There could be a little delay
about that kind of stuff. So you had to get out, get into
the center turn lane. That was so long you had to
really time it right to get in the middle lane and and I just,
I didn't have the brain power. I do all that.

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So I had a nice turn right routethe whole way.
So I'm living in a barn, drivingthat car, mucking out stalls for
a morning every morning. 125 stalls a morning for 100.
How old are you at this time? 31 maybe?
And you're doing stalls, OK, Yeah.
In West Palm Beach. Yeah, but but I had done this.
I was like, I was one of the first woman to have a seat on

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the Chicago Board options exchange.
OK. That was my first career and it
was, it was, it was crazy, crazy.
It was in the 80s and a couple thousand men and about 50 of us
women and tons of money and tonsof coke.
And you know, it was just, it was I toasted myself.

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In fact, the whole 80s, it was just a toast fest.
And I blew through a couple other careers.
And so I'm end up up in this barn.
I'm mucking stalls to pay my rent and girlfriend comes along
to me and says that she was going to real estate school,
maybe I'd like to go with her. And it was 125 bucks.
So she had me there. And then she closed me by saying

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that she would drive because, you know, then what can I say?
No, So I went to real estate school with her.
I got my license and, and that'sright when I first got sober and
I ended up and I, you know, I didn't want to be a realtor.
I really edit back then it was alot different than it is now.
And it was kind of like, I felt like it, you know, you failed

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out as a used car salesman, so you're going to be a realtor.
And, and so anyway, but I was there, right?
I was there. I was getting sober and I said,
you know what? I fucked up the first part of my
life and I'm just going to draw a line in the sand and I'm going
to figure this out and I'm goingto do it right.
And I just became a student of the game from that day to this.

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And, and you know, a lot of stuff started to happen as it
will, you know, when you get sober and, and pretty soon I
became a speaker for a 7 hour guy.
He was kind of using my businessas a crash test dummy.
And, you know, I would do what he said and it worked and get up
on a stage, 609 hundred people, something like that, and just
tell him what I was doing. And, and so that led to me

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meeting some other people who are pretty, you know, pretty
savvy in the game. And so I decided that I didn't
want to work on the Sundays and we had to figure out how to do
that right. So I came up with this idea of
having a buyer's agent. I'm not saying that I'm the
first person to came up with theidea, but this would have been

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from before my daughter was bored, maybe like 93 or
something. And so I came up with this idea.
I hired a gal and she was my first buyer's agent.
And I built up a team and we were doing pretty good.
We were doing about 200 deals a year, which was big, big stuff
back then. Yeah, amazingly working with
buyers, buyers and sellers. And then we started a coaching

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company, was still around today,doing pretty good.
And. Teaching people how to sell real
estate. Well, we were already working
people who are really successful.
Yeah, you know, because there's people are already successful
and something they're doing. They know if I want to do learn
something and do something, I'd go to find the model I like and
then just copy that model and know, you know, and then be

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successful. The strugglers in life are going
to want to hunt and pack and tweak it for me.
You know, I'm special. I need to do it this way.
So we worked with people who already really successful and
you know, they followed the model we had and they they all
did really, really well. And then I had my own brokerage
and and I had, you know, this team and, and we're doing really

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good and just forgot where I was.
I had my own brokerage. So there there came some Keller
Williams offices wanting to buy me out, you know, because I had
the good space and all that kindof stuff.
So I did a deal with one of themand then I'm opening owning they
call their offices market center.
So I partial Odor on one of those and I ended up, you know,

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I requested Gary Keller, Trevor and Keller Williams, and he had
been my coach before to be my coach.
And. And so he said yes.
But by then I was just, I was tired, I was burned out.
I was crispy critter. At one point I decided I was
going to be an oil rigger. Yeah.
Instead, perfect job. Two weeks on, two weeks off.

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Nobody bothers you, but no, it bothers you and but that didn't
work out, so. Doing the oil stuff.
Yeah, you know where. Were you going to go to do that?
Gulf of Mexico. I was flying out from from West
Palm Beach to Las Vegas to speakat one of these seminars, right?
So there's like, big crowd waiting and I'm sitting in the

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window seat. I'm looking out and I'm just so
burnt. I'm just so tired.
I'm just too many hard negotiations.
And I said, that's it, yeah, I'mlooking at oil rigs out there.
I'm like, that's it, perfect, perfect job.
I'm doing that. But that didn't last long.
So anyway, they bought me out and I ended up instead becoming

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ACEO of a division of Keller Williams Real Estate.
By that time we had moved out here.
And so I commuted to Austin for a while.
It was, it was great experience.And then I.
Like Austin, yeah, that's got the Kush real estate market.
How do we get that here? How do we get cheap houses here?
You know, it's a pretty kush real estate market here.

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You know, Reno hasn't really been discovered, you know,
nationally, but it's, you know, it's a great spot.
I live here on purpose now. Yeah, because.
I love it here. Yeah, you know, in the winter
it's 45. So you can decide, well, do I
want to ride a horse or do I want to go skiing?
Or, you know, it's, it's great here and you know, prices aren't

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any cheaper here than they are in Austin, really.
Oh no, it seems like this side some of the things I've seen, I
guess it's not Austin, it's all the outskirts of Texas.
They're. Building houses, there's a lot
more high end stuff going on. You know, it's bigger, more high
end stuff. But we get a lot of people
coming now from California and the tech industry and just, you
know, getting the heck out of California with the taxes and

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the homeowners insurance and allthe regulations and easy, easy
to come here. But we got a lot of tech stuff,
stuff coming here. Yeah, I feel angry about that,
but I understand. You do?
Yeah. I just hate, I just, I just
because they drive bad, you know, and you know, I ride my
motorcycle like a Dick head and I want everybody else to ride be

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perfect. I like a Dick head too.
No, I want them. Yeah, I do want everybody to go
fast. You know, I want.
Everybody to go fast. Yeah, I want everybody to.
But then a Prius with Californiaplates gets in front of you.
Yep, that's it. That's it.
You nailed it. No, I think it's I didn't get my
life together until a few years ago financially, right.

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It took me a minute, and I just had Anna connect me with Megan
for the first time and start theprocess.
Oh, really? For the first time at 30 years
old? Yeah.
And she was like, hey. You're right on track.
She's like, hey, it's 3700 a month for a 400 four, $100,000
house. That's crazy.
I was like, see you, Megan. We'll talk in a few years, you

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know, you know, like I'm going to start blowing up houses or
something to make it happen. But, well, things are.
Fixing to change if the interestrates come down a little bit and
if they do that 50 or more. 50 year mortgage.
I was going to ask you about that.
Is that a thing? That seems crazy, but I think
it's the thing that is going to be it as it should be because,
you know, most people move every5 to 10 years.

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So you know why not, right? There's no downside and then
very few people live there till their whole mortgage is paid
off. It just takes you a lot.
So the payment would be lower, the interest rate would be
lower. No, the interest rate wouldn't
be lower. Oh, it's the same.
I give you the payments lower. But the interest rate would
probably come down next. Because of the 50 year, right?
Now got nothing to do with it the 50 years.

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Another way to make things more affordable because your monthly
payments going to be lower interest rate is at interest
rate. Really.
I won't bore you, but the interest rate doesn't even have
to do with the feds. Everybody's looking at the feds
rating. Interest rate has to do with
where the 10 year T bill is. What does that mean?
Tell me about that. Well, the T bill, so that's a

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place to park your money. It's a safer investment.
And the so they look at the rateof return, right?
So they pay you money, right? They look at the rate of return.
Don't quote me and don't make this public in any way, but so
the higher the price of the T bell, the lower the return
you're going to get. And investors are looking at

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options for returns. So the mortgage rates will come
down because the rate of the return on the two investments
equal out. Yeah, got it.
Yeah, I'm sure you do. No, I get it.
I want a fucking house, you know?
We'll get you a fucking house. Don't worry about it.

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And you know what it's got? It's.
Good. Yeah, never had any homeless
people yet. No, not planning to start with.
OK, sounds good. OK.
Yeah, I, it's just, to me, the frustrating part is it has
nothing to do with. I just wish I had it together
five years earlier, you know what I mean?
But I needed to fuck it up to learn how to do it right in my,
in my way, you know? But.

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But five years for now, you know, it'll be, you're glad you
got us together five years ago, 3030.
You know, that's a good age, right?
You know, I started to get my shit together at 32 and I
thought I had burned my entire life.
And you know, most people when you're in your 20s, you don't
you know what, what, what you want to be when you grow up in a
lot of people's 20s are exploration and 30s are starting

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to get a handle on, you know, where you're going in life.
And that's a great time to get in.
And The thing is, is that you just got to get on the train,
right? You got to get on the train
somewhere. It mean real estate over time
goes up into the right price wise but there's peaks and
valleys. Yeah.
Does the does the 50 year changeyour down payment at all?

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That doesn't do. Anything it shouldn't change
your down payment I I don't think I haven't heard about
that, but also what it's going to do is because you're what you
owe is spread over a longer timeyour monthly payment will be
lower got. You more tangible that makes
sense. That's really cool.
So, so when was the was it West Palm or was it Reno where you

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started your program getting getting clean the program?
So West Palm, I was here we go, another story.
So I was, I started West Palm and everything came together,
got all the promises, everythingwas great.
Had had everything going and youknow, it was, you know, almost I

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probably could have retired maybe.
It was about 16 years in and I moved from West Palm and West
Palm, they got a lot of treatment centers.
So people get sober in South Florida, they go, hey, I'm sober
in South Florida. Life is good.
I think it'll hang around. So we had about 400 meetings a

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week in. I was in West Palm.
So there's a lot, a lot of good a a because a lot of the
treatment centers and stuff likeI really, really liked it.
All my friends, the program and,you know, had a wide variety of
people. Yeah, in the program.
What's the program out like? Like in that part of Florida?

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Was it? Was it?
Well, so I don't know how to just, you know, I want to use
the word better, but but I, you know, it's what you're used to.
We, we had like there was a meeting that would a noon
meeting, that big meeting at theTriangle Club there couple
couple, 100 people would be there and we had one guy there

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named Solomon and Solomon actually lived under a bridge.
Fuck yeah, Yeah. I like it.
And he, he was so, but he'd comein and he would share the wisest
stuff, you know, like his name, Solomon said it.
And you know, the, you know, thegems would come out of that
guy's mouth. And in the same meeting we'd
have, you know, bankers, lawyers, we had a guy who was a

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count, you know, all that kind of stuff in the same meeting.
So it was a good, good mix, goodvariety and because of like so
much treatment going on there, it was pretty, you know, pretty
good. A a so well, I moved out here
and I went to they did it different here, you know, and
you, you're going to hear that again and again, but it was

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different and and I couldn't, I didn't really feel the vibe.
So I started going to less and less.
Hey, I got 16 years. I got this.
I'm cool. Me too.
And so then I made a big mistakeand got quickly married to a guy

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who turned out to be a con man biker dude and.
After my own heart. You know, and and you know, I
fell madly in love with this guyand snuck off and got married
and that's kind of a whole. What kind of motorcycles did he
have, do you remember? What was Harley?
I don't know. I end up getting AV Rod when I

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was with him. Crazy, That's a Porsche.
That's more Porsche than Harley.Well.
That's why I got it. Yeah.
I loved the idea. And I I didn't ride motorcycles
before that. Yeah.
I don't know. Do you remember what he had?
I don't know. Yeah, yeah.
I'm just curious if it's a street glide or a road glide.
A street glide gotcha. That's why.
Yeah, a Street Glide. Don't ever trust a guy on a

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Street Glide. Whatever, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We ended up getting a big dog atone point in time.
That was kind of a cool bike. Cool.
Yeah. So anyway, so I heard it out.
The guy's cod man whatever. You do.
You did this in early sobriety. No, this is what I'm 16 years in
when I moved out to Reading, so I'm 16 years in.
I got it going on. I could almost retire, you know,

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everything's groovy and I was like a babe in the woods.
I didn't know about gambling because in South Florida they
don't have gambling. I didn't know about
methamphetamine. I had never heard of that
because I that maybe came out, you know, I'm sober, right?
I'm not running around that. So anyway.
Like white claws, I never got totry one.

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White Claw. Oh yeah, see, I did.
Never got to try. Never got to try White Claws.
Never got to try. Well, you're not a chick, so you
didn't miss anything. I didn't.
Yeah, right, Right. I don't know if I don't know if
I would have drank it, but I'm bummed I didn't get to.
Do you know what I mean? Well I tried a weed PED but I
will tell you that story becauseOK.
Because. Never got to try one.
I was, so I was. I had something, I don't know,

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Anna's over there, but I had something going on, a surgery or
something and and I was in some pain and I heard, you know, the,
the weed pens, right, Those cancer patients smoke weed for
that. And and I had back, I used to be
a little hippie chick back in the hippie chick days.
So and then my high school boyfriend was the pot dealer.
So we were especially cool. We had, we had like your regular

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pot, right. And then we had the whatever
Panama red kind of stuff. You can get a two finger bag or
a three finger bag and the threefinger bag of the good shit was
$35.00. So we had and back in when they
had Baggies that you would lick the edge of them, they didn't
have zip, you know, so you'd be rolling lick the edge of the

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baggie and you know, here you go.
So I don't know what would doubtthat trail.
But so anyway, I had smoked weedin the past and I was used to
like the way you would smoke weed in the past.
It's like you want and it held it in.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then blew it out and so so
anyway. They got weed now if you touch
it, you're high. It's fucking crazy.
So I sent my daughter out to because I'm figuring I'm going

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to get some of this to just takea little bit of the edge off the
nausea. So I said go get me the the
lowest THC. You know what, I just want the
most blah blah blah blah. So she comes back with this pen.
And so she gives it to me. I'm just in my bed and I go and

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I like take it old style, hit off this thing.
And I'm taking the hit off this thing and I see her at eyes just
go. I'm like, oh, I wonder what
that's about. And she goes, Hey, you do you,
man. And then I lay in bed and I, I
watched Cops was on TV and I watched it for and I couldn't

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figure out what the hell was going on.
And I end up getting all paranoid and I'm hanging under
the covers and she's like, it's OK, it's OK.
You know, you'll be OK. And so I said no more.
OK, Yeah. So that's what you missed.
Yeah, Yeah. Yeah, you didn't.
I I did miss that. That sounds great.
That sounds fucking awesome. Yeah, I have my paranoia nut

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job. Yeah, No, I didn't.
It didn't change, but I did a lot of bad.
Things. What about cocaine paranoia?
Did you ever do that? When you're like peeking out the
window. One above that it's like 6.
I smoke crack. Oh well, you know, it's just
faster. That's why I'm such a good
salesman. Yeah, yeah, right.
Give me more. Yeah, right.
Yeah, I got, I graduated from coke and became such a good

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yeah, drug, drug smoke. I tried a little bit.
Of that too. Fuck yeah.
No, no, I mean seriously, like Iwas a used car salesman too for
a little while. Well, there you go.
You know what I mean, crackhead.I like, Yeah, they I like the
way you roll. Man, I had great weeks, you know
what I mean? No, I just had to stay up.
I. Was working. 7 hours and I just.
I like the effect produced by drugs and alcohol.

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That's my problem. One of the things I first
discovered when that I it was like when I first got sober is I
was afraid of the birds. I was afraid of birds because
you know how you go through the night and it's like you're just
rolling? It's one o'clock 2:00 you're
solving all the. Problems.
I know what you're talking about.

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Check the watch, I got plenty oftime to make it to work and then
next thing you know the birds. Man, Kathy, you hit it on the
head. Yeah.
Nothing made me feel more like so it's that that feeling that
you just described is exactly what changed everything about my
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So I was AI could not not be up until the sun came up.
And I remember when the sun would come up, I would just that
wouldn't you know when they whenthey would talk about pitiful

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and incomprehensible demoralization.
That is the perfect example of me driving myself fucking crazy
because I'd hear the sun come up.
I'm like, man, I'm the world's biggest piece of shit.
Fucking hate my life. And then I'd sleep all day and
then I'd wake up and I'd do it again and I would fucking hate
myself. So now I'm a morning person.
Me too. And I wake up really early and I

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love waking up. Early and I love hearing when
the birds start, I love getting up and.
I love sleeping, being rested and starting my day because it's
like anything is better than that, you know what I mean?
So you know I hate. It anything yeah and getting up
early and starting your day prayer meditation, you know
journaling, thinking about shit watching the sun come up and you

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know I love a good sunrise your.Your office is on this kind of
the South side of town, right? Right by the airport.
Did you do you ever go to the Neil Rd. meeting at that?
No. What's it called?
The 7th Day Adventist Building. You know what I'm talking about.
OK. I was just curious.
My grandfather knew who you were.

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Great. Thanks.
No, he knew. He he, he passed away a few
years ago, but he's, he would have the same meetings you guys
did. Oh, OK.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. OK, So my aunt knows you, you
know my dad knows. You know, get it all figured
out. Yeah, they, they all know you
just from your, the meetings yougo to, you know what I mean?
But that one you go to on Saturdays is is probably my
favorite meeting in all of Yeah,me too, all of town.

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Yeah, you know, I get. I love the vibe there.
That's a great meeting. You know there's a an author,
David Hawkins. No, not David Hawkins.
David Hawkins and a map of consciousness.
David Hawkins, Right. He also wrote Power versus
Force. So David Hawkins.

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You could turn your mic on, you're just not going to be on
the video. Well.
Well, producer, the mic is OK. Why don't you?
Well, can you Google it? I'm curious now.
No, I am. I want to know.
OK, we're Google. Map of Consciousness is a
sobriety book. No, yes and no.
All right, so he wrote a book inthe 90s called Power versus

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Force, right? And so force is like forcing
your will on something versus power is what we have when we
don't force our will. David R Hawkins.
David Hawkins. Yeah.
So he wrote a book. David R Hawkins, Map of
Consciousness. Yeah.
So this book, anyway, he talks about is different levels of
consciousness. For example, if Hitler would be

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like the lowest level of consciousness, right?
So when you're focused on, you know, anger, resentment,
violence, things like that wouldbe lowest level is you move up
to different levels, right? And then the top level would be
enlightenment. So you got, you know, Mother
Teresa and, you know, a couple of her homies on that.

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But he was a good friend of BillWilson.
Wilson No. Shit.
No shit. OK.
And he believes that the Big Book is a channeled book.
They was channeled through Bill Wilson to write the Big Book.
And he says that one of the reasons that a a meetings feel

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so good is because everybody's there, you know, looking out for
everybody else's best interest. You know, people care about each
other. It's just the vibe in the room
is a higher level of consciousness.
And that's one of the reasons why, you know, it feels like
after a meeting that you feel good.
I've never felt worse. Yeah, yeah, You never felt

(27:55):
worse. I've never felt worse after
leaving a meeting. You know what?
I mean. Exactly so.
Never you. Know, so I get to Reno and I'm
not like, I'm not, you know, I'mOK, I got this or whatever.
And so I'm not doing a lot of meetings.
Well, meanwhile, I go through this horrendous experience with
this person who we don't even use the name for the person

(28:18):
anymore. And you know, it's just that I
went down. I, I don't know, I'm not too fat
right now, but I was probably 20lbs less than this.
I got down to and just from the stress of it all.
So we're going to a what's that big bike thing and Havasu in the
spring. Or Oh my.

(28:39):
God, what is it? Well, there's a Laughlin.
No, no. We went to the Laughlin Run.
So we go down and we we had a truck and a trailer and we're
like, so we'd leave late and he's driving and it's it's my
daughter and myself and him. We leave late and then we fall
asleep and he drives all the waydown there.

(28:59):
Beckett, how do you do that? Are you Superman?
I would have fallen asleep. I didn't know about
methamphetamine. OK, so anyway, we're down there,
we have my bike coming back and.You rode your bike to Laughlin.
No, I took it on the trailer, onthe truck, and then he rode his
bike. Yeah, yeah.
So we're coming back. He's on his bike.
We're like right outside of Beatty.

(29:20):
So like in the middle. My.
Favorite town in Nevada? Is it?
Well, yeah. So, so he pulls up and he goes,
I'm running out of gas. I never do that.
I'm running out of gas. And he, you know, he's done.
So he's running out of gas. He goes pull over.
We'll throw my bike on the trailer.
We'll take your bike off. OK.
So and then meanwhile I had thislike little skull cap with
little spiky things on the top of it for I don't know what.

(29:44):
So that's what I had Sick. Yeah, yeah.
So we get my bike out and like, we used to have this thing.
We'd say like, you know, ride itlike you stole it, which means
open it up, but have some fun. Crack it open, yeah.
Yeah. So yeah, you're probably
familiar with that. I'm so I'll be able to always,
Kathy. Yeah, yeah, got it.

(30:05):
Yeah, got it. No, I hear you.
So we took the take the bike offand it's a nice wide open Nevada
highway, right? So I take off, I start going.
I'm not going crazy, but I'm going, I don't know, 80 maybe
something like that. And I feel also this pulling,
It's pulling, it's pulling to the right.
And so I'm looked like I'm not an idiot.
I look to see if the roads crowned, if it's pulling and I'm

(30:28):
letting off the throttle the whole time and also to just it
Yanks me off to the right hand side of the road into the dirt.
I crash my little skull, my little knobby things catch on
the dirt and I ended up having to get life flighted out of
there. But fun fact about Betty, since
you bring it up, they took me into, I'm not sure it was.

(30:52):
I think it was combination courthouse dog # something else.
And, and I'd like, my eyes were swollen shut.
I can't really see much. So they're there.
And they had given me morphine or something, so they thought I
was out of it, right? So the EMTs are there and
they're like taking my boots off.
And I had, you know, pedicure, right?

(31:13):
I'm a chick, right? Have pedicure.
So they're like, come here, comehere, come here.
They don't think I can hear them.
And they're like, look, look, look.
And they're all like pointing atmy painted toes.
Like I've been thinking, what are the women's feet like in
baiting Nevada? Yeah.
Where the where the donkey? They share.
They share, Yeah. It was I.

(31:35):
Outhouses with donkeys out there, Yeah.
Kind of I think that's where I might have been in one of those
places. So they life like me, down to
Vegas. My.
Favorite. Yeah, yeah.
Right. I love it there.
I love. Me some Beatty.
Yeah, no, yeah, yeah. That's a, that's a crazy.
That's a crazy town. They probably hadn't seen that.
They probably. Then, I don't know, they were

(31:56):
showing each other my toenails. So yeah, I kind of felt a little
ripped off on the light flight because it lifelike because here
you got this private helicopter deal and whatever.
But I'm so out of it. I just remember like some guy
was like a bubble space head, white helmet looking at me.
And so anyway, he, you know, grabs the mic, takes it back.

(32:21):
I'll be able to go get it. Well, come to find out it was a
murder attempt. From that guy.
Get the fuck out of here. How did he do that I wonder?
He tied your belt. So he did something to the bike.
He must have tightened your beltor he could have done something
to your to your. Suspension or what?

(32:42):
I don't know. I don't know but but.
Not the bars that wouldn't have made the bike turn right, but
either the belt's on the right side and if you tighten the belt
a lot, you could have done that.Or there's a, a bearing in your
steering column. And if you over tighten a nut on
the top a certain direction, once you get to a certain speed,

(33:02):
yeah, it'll start to try and pull your bike.
That'll do it. You know, secure the ratchet
straps. The 9 hour drive down on the
trailer with that bike towed, could he have not like
overstrapped it and like he should have not better with all
those experience? Yeah, would have been more
intentional was on a was it AV rod?
Yeah, it could. That's a crazy motorcycle.
That's that's one I don't know alot about.

(33:25):
It was a little much for me. But that, that's that.
That wheel is also this bigger than a car wheel.
That back tire on AV rod, you know what I mean?
They're huge. On the big dog it was Oh.
OK. Oh, the fat bod.
The fat boy, you mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that one too.
So, yeah, so when I got back, I was able to piece it together

(33:46):
what had happened, you know, thewhole thing.
And plus his girlfriend friend at the time and I got together
and compared notes and, you know, what he was saying to her
was like the story he had made-up for why I was dead.
And so anyway, I have this murder attempt and I'm broke my
neck and all this other crazy stuff.

(34:07):
And they they've got me on all kind of, you know, pills and
whatever to, you know, because Iwas messed up.
And so anyway. How much sobriety do you have at
that point? 16 1/2 years.
And then that happens. And then that happens, right?
And so then one day actually, I'm still the same guy because I

(34:31):
haven't figured this out yet in a net collar and we're up at VC
for some bike run and, and he was having cranberry and vodka.
And so I've got to get me and get me a cranberry cranberry.
And I just wanted to say, hey, I'll have a cranberry vodka too,
just like they say, that strangemetal blank, blank spot and

(34:52):
whatever. You're hanging down the
barbershop. Well, yeah, I mean, that
afternoon I was, I hadn't reallybeen around it that much, but
but so, you know, I picked up a drink and I remember riding on
the bike, I think I had a coupleof them and I riding on the bike
back from VC and thinking, shit,this is kind of nice, you know,

(35:13):
what's the matter with this? So what happened wasn't any of
that. That's not why I picked up.
What happened was that I got outof the middle of the crowd
because I got here and I did getting fully engaged.

(35:33):
You know, I didn't have my people.
I didn't, I wasn't immersed in it.
So, you know, all that other stuff happened.
Yeah, but it I think the reason is because I got out of the
middle of the crowd. I hear you.
And then I came back for right back in for five years or so.
And then I then I just like, youknow, I never really tried to

(35:56):
quit. I hear you.
And and it didn't and then it didn't, it didn't start out like
like they say. And I had had a guy in Florida
where I've been out been 17 years who went out and then like
in some short period of time, like 2 weeks or something, he
was dead, you know, because I'd always heard that the disease

(36:19):
keeps growing even if you're sober, right.
So if you pick up again, is it just as if the disease had been
growing those last 17 years? I agree.
With that. And that wasn't my experience.
So then I said, well, I'm not going to go back and spoil it
for everybody else. It didn't happen.

(36:42):
So anyway, of course it got worse and worse and worse and
worse. And, you know, I was, it wasn't,
you know, I didn't lose my car, didn't lose my house.
Like, you know, it's more of a high bottom, but I was
destroying relationships, the relationships I cared the most
about. I was sending nasty at like

(37:06):
11:00 at night. I decide to settle the matter
right now over text and had to be afraid of the phone when I
woke up. And who do I have to apologize
to? And you know, then I'm not going
to drink. And I would for a few days and
then I felt better. And it was just, and just waking
up feeling like shit. And then I was I would wake up,

(37:28):
feel it. So I live alone, right?
And I would always I was drinking wine primarily, but and
margaritas, but, you know, at home glass of wine.
Yeah, We, we went when we were out there, we went on this, this

(37:49):
trip up to Virginia City and lender we worked with would have
this Halloween deal where she'd rent out half of VC.
And you went on like a, a treasure hunt, right.
So you had to pick up a clue at each bar.
So I went and I'm with a young bunch of younger people.
And so I thought this was part of it, that at each bar you had

(38:09):
to take a shot because like eachbar we're taking.
Oh my God, I get fucked up. Oh my God, my daughter had to
carry me up the stairs were. You partying too?
Yeah. Oh yeah, It was a yeah, so.
And, you know, like. Sounds like fun.
It was. So much fun.
That sounds like a cool night. It, it, it was fun till yeah,

(38:30):
till the next. And like sleeping with one foot
on the floor to, you know, keep the room from spinning and all.
Well, I never tried. That yeah, yeah, that helps.
Like you put 1 foot out on the. Floor, Yeah.
I never knew. I never knew.
I didn't try that. Yeah, I never tried that.
Yeah, I just. There's probably not much.
I just drink until the spinning stopped, you know what I mean?

(38:52):
So that's when you go get the coke.
For well, it was everything for me.
Yeah. No, for me, it was like it was
like I never was doing anything fun.
I was doing we're. Going to scare off all my real
estate clients by the way. Oh, I.
I think. What was?
That I think that if I was goingto buy a house, I'd rather buy a
house for somebody like you. I'm 100.

(39:14):
All my friends would agree, you know what I mean?
So they want, they don't want to.
Yeah, I've, I've, I've also talked to people that have never
been to jail, never partied crazy, never had a struggle,
man. Like, I don't relate to people
like that, you know, People relate to real, you know, and
better and getting better and getting and changing things.

(39:36):
You know what I mean? Accountability is cool.
Yeah. The jail part is kind of like I
would let somebody in what I hadn't been had to.
Jail. Well, you talked about cops
saying you were watching cops inthe hot.
We are on that. No, no, I was just going to tell
you, when you go to jail, they're usually playing A&E
cops. Yeah.
In the lobby. How?

(39:59):
Yeah, I did not know that. A&E well, that's the channel.
That's the channel. Yeah, that's the channel.
They're not streaming in jail dog.
You know you can, so you can still.
Find it on. No, I yeah.
Story, story. Yeah, no, they were playing cops
when I was in jail and I'm like,man, this is so pretentious, you
know what I mean? Like, you guys are just.
It's like, it's like if you cameon my podcast and I was playing

(40:21):
my podcast while we were here, you know what I mean?
It just doesn't seem right, you know?
But sounds of anarchy, sounds ofanarchy of my motorcycle.
There's. A big one watch party or
something? I'm the real guy, dude.
Yeah, yeah, that's so funny. I never watched that show until
I joined this club and I was like, we're not doing it right,
you know, like we're we, I haven't killed anybody, You know

(40:45):
what I mean? What the fuck happened?
Well. What's the deal with the TAT
right here? So it's actually a tradition in
my club and it's it's. A tradition it is to kill
somebody. No, no, no.
This is a spade. It's a charm.
No, no. I promise you.
You made it. No.
Yeah, No, it's. Not a prospect anymore.
I've got. The No Every president in my
club in every charter has a facetattoo and it's got some

(41:07):
significant meaning. I'll tell you off off SO.
You're the president. I am the president.
Well, Mr. President, I had no idea.
For now, you know, it's just a job.
It's just a job. Hanging with the big.
Dog, like, no, you're not. I'm just a guy.
I'm just a guy. No, no, no, I'm just a guy.
Yeah, that's why I'm pumped. That's why I'm pumped.
That's why I'm pumped that this this year, like I said, being a

(41:29):
president is only a a job. It's it's just a job.
It's no different than being a secretary or a treasurer or vice
president. We all just have roles in this.
Club. I think he's protesting too
much. I'm not right.
I swear. I swear.
Oh, it's just nothing. It's nothing.
I just have nothing now. I.
Just got a little diamond right here and then.

(41:51):
No, this guy, this is the swear to God, this is this has got a
really cool meaning that I'll tell you and it'll make sense to
you. I I guess I can talk about it.
It's it's simply to do with we are a motorcycle club.
There's that you wouldn't be a rat, that you wouldn't a good
way to tell that you're not a rat is you're going to tattoo
your face. You know, that's a good

(42:13):
tradition. What if they get a rat tattoo?
Wouldn't get a rat tattoo unlessit had wings, that'd be cool.
Probably not good the rat. Thing is kind.
Of. From what's that guy's name,
Rat. There's a guy that does the
cars. What's that guy's name?
Red. Fink.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is he the ones that with the

(42:34):
bugs, with the eyes that stick out?
Yeah, yeah, That's cool. That guy.
Yeah, that. Guy.
Do you do commercial real estateas well?
No, not really. I have a good commercial.
I try to stay with we're. Trying to buy a clubhouse.
Well, we can, I can help you with that.
I can get you the right people. So, but I like to have, you

(42:54):
know, experts in, you know, whatever field I'm dealing with
like. That's a cool thing to say.
I'm kind of known as the horse property person and land.
I do a lot of land. I sold ranches for a while.
So I get a lot of agents coming to me and asking questions and,
you know, asking if I have something and, or questions
about water rights or wells or subjects that kind of Mick

(43:18):
Casey. Oh, who?
Who? It's an episode of Yellowstone,
I think, right? He was a cowboy.
No, I know of Mick Casey. Yeah, I did a little section
outside of Fallon. Yeah, big.
I knew that name is familiar. Yeah, the biggest.
Name in Nevada next? Yeah, the government.
Yeah, he he, he paid. Me $5 a day to work for him. $5

(43:42):
to do what? Everything.
Ranch hand. He's a ranch hand.
He. Yeah, he's old school, old
school guy and, you know, mess around with him.
Yeah, there. She was a couple.
She messed around with him. Yeah, There you go.
But you know, that's why I like like doing.
I really love selling ranchers because, you know, ranchers are,
you know, old school dudes, man handshakes, my word.

(44:02):
But we back it up with paperwork.
And I like that, you know, you can tell the richer the guy by
the rougher shape his Carhartt jackets in and you know they're
working and you know, they're asit solved with the earth kind of
people. I love working with those dudes.
I agree, I'm saying Jacob. That Mick used to tell me I was

(44:22):
we were prank checking cows one day and you shoved your arm up
the past crank checking and I smelled like shit and I said I
smelled like shit. And he goes, man, he smelled
like some money. And then and I asked him, I said
you should give me some of that money.
And he almost hired. Dang, that's funny.
That is funny bro. There's another guy out there
Kim McCreary, who is a good friend of mix and Kim getting

(44:46):
the Kim will come off like he hehe's so funny.
So he dries as a humor, but he'll he'll tell you you know
doesn't have to you know to a pot to piss in right and he's
like such as little you know he's developing all of firmly.
He owns all that big land out there, ranches across the Strait
State, but. Yeah.

(45:08):
I think he still lives in a manufactured like a single wide
or something with his family. He didn't, you know, He doesn't
need, he doesn't need none of that pretentious shit.
I think, I think real estate to me was always like the highest
level of sales you could be in, you know what I mean?
So it's like I've been a salesman my whole life is just
what I do. I just, my whole life I've been

(45:28):
a salesman and it was like, well, how do you get better than
selling jewelry that Kohl's you sell cars, right?
And then how do you get better than selling cars You go to
well, we should get your licenseso and I'll show you.
So now I have what I believe is the highest paying sales job you
can get, which is railroad so. Railroad.

(45:49):
Yeah, I sell railroad service, yes.
Sell railroad service. I do.
I have the company, Yeah, so. You have the company.
I'm the general manager of the company.
Yeah, so well. You can afford a house?
What are you screaming? Poverty.
About because I just don't want to pay.
I'm paying 1700 bucks right now.Rent mortgage you're so you're

(46:10):
throwing 1700 bucks out the out the window.
This is what Anna said to me theother day when I talked to her
about. Going down I-80 with hundreds.
That's it. See, Kathy, I am Gypsy.
I don't know if I'm going to stay here long.
Yeah, I am, but so. Goodbye.
So run it out of the house when you leave.
I'm doing it. You should buy a house now.
I'm going to wait till the 50 year and then we're going to do

(46:30):
it. I'm going to be that guy.
I'm going to be the first guy todo it in the.
Country if you live in a house for two out of the last five
years, yeah. As a single, Oh no, you're not a
single dude. So as a married dude you can
make up a 500,000. How big is your house?
I'll tell you if I'm married. You know what I mean.
Yeah. I love my house.

(46:51):
I got lucky man. I'm not good with real property.
There you go. No, I'm doing it.
Yeah, It's OK Anna talked a bunch of shit to me when I said
I'm going to wait. And she's like, Tammy, you're
dumb. You know, I listen to her, all
of her, all of her things. And it's just like, man, I feel
like a dumb ass, Like, hey, bought a house yet, you know?
I know that's what you're tryingto do, right?
Yeah. She's.

(47:12):
Yeah. Like, make you feel stupid.
You don't buy a house yet, you know?
Yeah. Your social media games killing
it. So good, dude, yeah.
I'm yeah, I saw that in I'm gladto be honest, really.
You guys just did about the what's it, what's the gym
called? Diamond Gym The.
Diamond Gym and then the clotheswe we have people like OK, how?
That's another sponsor of ours, so yeah.

(47:34):
We'll tell them to get their stuff online because we already
got like 5 people today wanting to buy some for just walking
around the office. There you go.
I know you did. You did a good job.
It was great. We got another gig for you too,
by the way, and I'll tell you about VIP autos.
Isn't it cool to see John? Six months ago, John was a
Carney. I was.
No, I was there. I was there on the John the day

(47:56):
John came in after being up all night, right.
Yeah, she was up. Yeah.
And he was. 20/7/2014. It was at the speaker meeting
the. No, that's my Sobriety day 2024
excuse. Me.
What's yours? April 27th, 2000.
So we have the same sobriety day, believe it or not.
And I didn't know until like 6 months into reading the book
with him, you know? No, John's a great example of,

(48:19):
you know what, what happens, right?
Just a little over a year, I mean.
He's also a great example of nothaving to have more wreckage
than he needed to. Does that make sense?
He could have made it a lot worse.
There's a lot of guys that I'm really grateful that they chose
to stop when they did because itjust could.

(48:40):
I could just. See, you don't have to ride it
all the way. The fuck No, you don't have to.
No, and that's what I tried it. That's what I believe sharing
your experience, strength and hope and meetings is directly
for is that you don't have to beas bad as me.
You know what I mean? And I've heard guys and I'm
like, man, I very easily could have been a bad as bad as them,
you know, and you know, but you didn't have to when you're.

(49:02):
Sober now, it's fucking scary when you're like, out of some
sobriety behind you and you hearpeople like, yeah, I fucking
kill the guy and you're like, shit, yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, you did.
I didn't have to be that bad. God go I.
Yeah, and there and that's what I tried to do.
That's why out there that's that's.

(49:23):
Yeah. That was me, you know what I
mean? So 4th St., The reason we call
it the 4th St. live has a lot ofmeetings.
But one of the big things is I really loved to go for on a walk
on 4th St. when I was using you know what I mean?
And now I. Attempt the fates or.
Boredom. Drug addiction.
Insanity. Why?

(49:43):
Because you get drugs on 4th St.OR.
Yes, and my liquor store was on 4th St.
Knuckleheads, the bar I drank atbefore I was old enough to drink
there. They're not around anymore, but
that's where I drank. You know they'd water down some,
isn't there? Do you have?
A meeting called Knuckleheads. Now there is.
Yeah, there is. That's a great meeting too.

(50:04):
Yeah, yeah, I got a branch out. I'm going to come here one
night. Please come here.
This is this is our meeting. Our meeting is very different.
Good. It's the goal was to have a
young people meeting without thetalking, the chanting in the
beginning. And not because the chanting's
bad, just was bad for me. You know what I mean?

(50:25):
And it was just bad for me, but it works for so many people I
know. And so I can't say this is not
it's like counterproductive to the to people's sobriety.
You know what I mean? If it helps with somebody else,
I just couldn't fucking say because I grew up in the men's
tag and the meetings that were like really traditional.
I grew up with going to meetingswith my grandfather Lynn and my

(50:48):
aunt. And these are all old timers
and, and people with more traditional like, you know, if
I'm having a bad day, they're the first to be like, well,
what's what did you do? You know what I mean?
What like, you know, the, the, the accountability pushers,
those are the, those are what I needed.
And then when I go to young people meeting and I'd be like,
man, I'm struggling. They'll be like, that sucks.

(51:09):
Fuck them. You know, I'm like, no, I don't
need to hear that. We hurt you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I need to, I need you to fucking
tell me why I'm wrong and why I'm fucked, why I'm fucking up.
You know, that's just me, you know, but so after the whole
thing happened with the 16 yearsand and then you said you were
clean and sober for about another 5.
Yeah. What did it take for you to

(51:31):
finally put the shovel down in your life?
Well, same reason I did it the first time.
I was sick and tired of being sick and tired.
You know, I was stopping at gas station in the morning and
buying 2 fireballs because I figured that the cinnamon smell
would outweigh the alcohol smelljust to feel better, you know?

(51:53):
I was tired of feeling like shit.
In the I was. Tired of being tired.
I was tired of doing stupid stuff.
I was just, you know, and I was just like, I don't want what,
what live the rest of my life like that.
And, you know, and I had somebody else in my life who
was, you know, head in this direction and I it was like, you

(52:14):
know, you don't get you don't get sober for somebody else,
right? Well, they say, right, I haven't
known anybody who's done that. So but it wasn't, it wasn't like
that, but I was just like, you know what, somebody has got to
have their shit together here, you know, if we're going to make
it. And so I said, you know, that's

(52:35):
it done, you know, and, and you know, I'll tell you the raising
your hand as a newcomer again, part of it was, it was, I didn't
like the idea of it. Oh, 30 days, 60 days.
So, but you know, I'm over all that now.
And it's a whole, I knew it would be a different sobriety

(52:57):
because there's a different set of stuff, a different set of
challenges. And so it's, you know, it's
been, it's been, it's been greatreally, you know, just starting
to, you know, all of that being a, you know, thing of the past.
And, you know, the birds, the birds, you know, hadn't really

(53:18):
scared me for a long time. But I really, you know, like
those civil pleasures and. It didn't affect work much.
Yeah, it did. It did.
But I had my own thing. I was solo then and I had one
assistant and sure did, you know.
But like I would say when I was living together, so I would
drink wine at night, but I always had some leftover.

(53:40):
I mean, sure not to, you know, Withers 3/4 of a bottle or a
bottle and three quarters, whatever it was.
And so I'd get up in the morningfeeling like holy hell and not
that I can make it. And so I would pour the rest of
my wine into a coffee cup. Now I live alone, so I could

(54:02):
have brought out the crystal if I wanted to.
But no, it was like in the coffee cup.
I'm not hiding it from God knowswhat.
From you, Yeah. Yeah.
I track the delusion. I do.
I follow. I definitely track the insanity.
For sure. It was just like I had kind of a
moment of clarity. It's like I, you know, I only

(54:23):
got so much life left and I don't want to spend it, you
know, sitting on the couch drinking wine with my best
friends, The Real Housewives of New York.
Like we would drink wine together or.
Something Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you like those shows?
No, I. Don't, but you know, it's like,
you know, they're drinking wine,I'm drinking wine and.

(54:44):
My wife watches those. Those are hard to watch.
Yeah, I don't. No, I haven't watched any since.
It's like a car wreck. It's hard to.
That's why you watch. Yeah, she watches Salt Lake City
one. Is it 1 of?
Those plus it's I'm loving hip hop.
Oh shit. Oh no, even that no hip hop.
Miami's right Now, not one of those women earned any of that

(55:10):
money, right? Yeah, but that's.
The. Point, I mean now, no.
OK, which one? I'm just saying the black girl I
don't know is is a jewelry designer.
That's real. I've.
Never 15. I've never seen one of those
episodes and I don't know who you're talking about, but they
did something with the lights off good enough.

(55:33):
They earned it. Oh, I see how you are.
I stand corrected. They earn that shit.
They. Yeah, those men are old, dude.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well. Enough money to talk to any
women they want to and they pickone.
And valuing these, I love this man.
Yeah, it's. Like those?
Oh, but entrepreneur is. He's virtual signaling.
Like a Real Housewives of Salt Lake City getting out of jail.

(55:56):
So yeah, Jen. Shaw, from Real House of Salt
Lake City, is getting out of jail on.
December 10. Yeah, she is my favorite.
She's your favorite. Lover No.
Yeah, she was running a Ponzi scheme on old people.
Your. Favorite.
I remember that one. She's cute too, isn't she?
She's the cute one. Anyone with that much money I

(56:16):
think can make. Yourself.
I'm working while Beth has it onand I'm struggling.
I'm struggling. I'm like, there's no way that's
real. Why do they need a writer on
reality TV? You know what I mean, Mormons.
One has like a tequila company, but she's.
Mormon. That checks out.
Yeah, Mormon tequila companies are cool, you know.
I would rather eat worms than live that lifestyle well.

(56:38):
It's funny because we kind of have a sobriety adjacent podcast
and we're might have a lot of whiskey sponsor coming on.
So yeah, it's like, I don't knowwhat it tastes like, but I
really do love that we have a Nevada based.
You don't know what it tastes like, or you forgot what it
tastes like. No, I never tried theirs.
No and I. Frey is it?

(56:59):
No, it's NV 36. No, I know them too.
They're No, no, this is NB. This is NB 36.
They're single malt out of Spanish springs.
Well. You got a lot of alkies watching
this so. Yeah, don't drink it if you're
fucking sober. But those guys are my friends
and they've sponsored every one of my bike shows.

(57:19):
They've sponsored multiple things, you know what I mean?
They're just, I think it's cool to have a local business.
How about that? You know what I mean?
It's like. Listen, talked about, you know,
coming to this point where you could have the alcohol in the
house for your guests and being OK with it.
Yeah, that's in. That's in the book.
Yeah, I, I, I know that I have an allergy.

(57:40):
I have an allergy and I just know.
I just know that after work in the 4th and the 5th and the 6th
and the 7th, I truly lost the obsession for the rest of you
know, And then when I worked the4th and the 5th and 6th and 7th
with other guys, I lose the obsession more, you know, I.
Didn't have an obsession. No, I get it.
But I had. AI had an obsession.

(58:01):
No, no, that I could drink like other people.
Well, so when I was sober, right, I completely lost the
obsession, right? And I completely lost the
thought I could drink like otherpeople.
But, you know, as a promise is in the big book that you know,
that one day the thought will occur to you, then that's a

(58:23):
promise like it's for all of us.And someday you're going to
think, you know, I could drink like other people, which is the
precursor to picking up a drink.Yeah, man, I agree.
I think that's I've been very grateful, like just like you
saying staying. I took that advice to the heart

(58:43):
when I heard it for the first time in staying in the middle of
the Hurt Never left. That's the thing I have AI have
a tool that I use if I think about drinking, which you know
you do. Sometimes it happens is less and
less frequent, but I just say God, please direct my thinking
and every single time, you know,20 minutes later I go, oh, you

(59:08):
know, I thought real forgot all about that.
Yeah, yeah, it's I've when I when when I asked God to direct
my thinking or my higher power to direct my thinking.
I definitely that has never failed me either.
Yeah, I've never been like, yeah, I'm still going to go
fucking do some bad shit. You know, it's never happened.
So I agree with you. You.
Know the the whole battle, I guess that's the right word.

(59:31):
The whole battle, you know is with ego, right?
I will not mind redone. And you know it's the ego self
that wants like you talk about wanting to be the director in
control. That's the ego self wanting to
do that and anger and resentment.

(59:52):
That's the ego self, you know, wanting to get that little juice
and and David Hawkins talks about this and and that maps of
consciousness book about. He he he get around with the
ego. So oh, you're the ego is just
trying to get his juice. You know, like when you be want
to be bad at the person who cut you off in traffic, that's the

(01:00:15):
ego who could get getting his juice.
It is 100% my ego. Yeah, I started today.
Somebody told me once because I kept getting into it with people
on the road, riding my motorcycle.
And then my sponsor said something like, hey, next time
just don't look at them if they cut you off.
And that's worked, actually, it's helped not not and it is

(01:00:36):
ego. It's like, no, I'm tough.
And yeah, I agree with you. It it's also just hate getting
cut off on the road by Californians, though, and
Priuses, you know, so, but whichone of the which one of the
steps did you find that was the most impactful in your life?
The first one. Yeah, that makes sense.

(01:00:58):
No, the first one, yeah, but I was.
I struggled with the first one, I struggle with the first one.
You do struggle with it. I struggled with it.
I struggled with this. The hyphen, everything after the
hyphen. Yeah, the that my life.
It was unmanageable. Well, yeah, and I think I think
that's everybody, right? But you don't, you can't see it.

(01:01:21):
And what does that mean? And I've got, you know, I always
had a plan, right? You know, I would think about my
plans when I was shoveling shit out of stalls, right?
I had a plan, but you know, I think the most impactful was
discovering a higher power. And somebody pointed it out to

(01:01:42):
me that it doesn't matter who the higher power is, as long as
it ain't you. You know, that's the point of
the exercise, is understanding that it's not you.
And when I was able to do that, it was like a weight lifted off
my shoulders that, you know, it.Oh, yeah, you know, it's not me,

(01:02:03):
right. And then I was able to, you
know, kind of ease into the trust and, and, and, and then
having experiences where, you know, things worked out better
than I would have orchestrated them by letting go instead of
trying to. Truly.

(01:02:24):
Power through it, yeah. Yeah, Anna wanted me to ask you
about your experience with elephants.
I don't know what it means, but she says it's a cool story.
I went to the zoo once, saw someelephants, it was they were
nice. Cool.
What'd? You do at the zoo with the
elephants. It was a circus.
It was a circus, OK. Gypsies are a lot of are a lot

(01:02:47):
of. So college, college, right.
And there may or may not have been alcohol involved with this
because a friend had was with working with a circus.
This is in Boston and he was in town for a couple days.
And so we're out having drinks with him and, and it was 3 O
clock, 3:30 in the morning or something.

(01:03:08):
And I said, well, I always wanted, I'm a horse person.
I like riding horses. I always wanted to ride an
elephant. And he goes, wow, let's go.
I work with the elephants. We're going to go to the circus.
So off we go to the circus, 3:30in the morning.
We go in the circus tent, and there's these two elephants with
little chains around their ankles, you know, standing

(01:03:30):
there. And he goes over and unchains
one of them. I'm like, wow, OK, that's how
you do that. And he brings it over and he
tells it to get down. And the thing gets down and you,
you scammer up on top of it. And elephants are different than
horses because with a horse, you've got a whole neck out in
front of you. But with an elephant, their
head, like, stops here. So it gets up and you're like

(01:03:54):
facing the ground. So the elephant gets up and you
know who? Don't you want me up there with
you? And I was like, oh, never
occurred to me. So get down.
Get up. Again, never occurred to me.
Either my first elephant ride. So he gets up there and then he
has this wooden pole, but there was like a nail in the end of
it. So evidently this was a thing
you're supposed to use to tell the elephant where to go by

(01:04:16):
giving a little, you know, So we're off and the elephant
starts walking out of the tent and whatever.
And the elephant starts walking down this line of trees and
like, oh, covered the top of these trees.
And the elephant keeps going. And so he's like poking it with
the stick to get it turned around.

(01:04:38):
And that's only pissing the thing off, right?
So come to find out at this, he didn't know the first thing
about elephants. He wasn't working with the
elephants at the circus. It was, you know, there was no
elephant background that he had.And this elephant's just getting
mad. So we're going down this line of

(01:04:58):
trees and like the tents are getting kind of faint in the
background. And I'm in sobering up a little
bit now and I'm like. Yeah.
Where, where are we going? And so my girlfriend that was
there with me, she was on the ground and somehow I wrote a
sheet with somehow the real elephant trainer got notified.

(01:05:19):
OK. And So what the real elephant
trainer did is he brought this elephant's buddy out of the tent
and the elephant's buddy goes, and then my elephant goes me or
whatever the elephants do. And then, and then my elephant
pulls a UI like he flips a bitch, right?

(01:05:41):
And now he's flying back down and now we're galloping toward
the tent. I'm totally sober at this point,
galloping toward the tent full speed.
But I'm also also, I was having this thought.
I remember when you're going, you know, how things slow down
or, well, you know, it'd be kindof cool if I fell off, broke my

(01:06:02):
arm. And they say, how'd you break
your arm? And I say, well, fell off an
elephant might, might not be bad.
And you know, I don't know, we're probably hitting.
I don't know how fast they go. It seemed fast.
So we get to the tent, the real elephant trainer gets the
elephant to get down. I scrambled off, hopped in my

(01:06:25):
friends BMW and we're like dirt fly and we were out of there.
Damn, yeah, if I had an elephantin my disposal to pick up a
chick, I would also lie and use an elephant.
I'm sorry. You know it didn't work for him.
Yeah, it didn't work for him. In fact, I think he left the
circle shortly after that. Oh no, she.
Was in the next morning, yeah. You cannot blame that guy's

(01:06:48):
effort. That's impeccable.
I'm I'm I'm impressed. So what?
Yeah. So.
So we we we stole an elephant. That's the story.
I don't. And you don't meet a lot of
people who can say that. I've, I've never met a single
person that has stolen an elephant, you know?
Yeah. There you go.
Yeah. I've.
You rode one more elephant than me.
You probably touch one more elephant.

(01:07:09):
Right. I'm at the at the fair.
What about the time that you're trying to get me to buy the
Camel I? Was trying to do shit but she
did try and buy a camel. She's got Gavin happened.
Yeah. Why didn't she buy?
Why didn't she? Did you hinder it from
happening? Yes.
Yes, they pulled me away. Cook off.
And we wanted to ride the buzzer.
Camel, right? Yeah.

(01:07:30):
Sparks. What do camels go for?
No, she's. Like her drunk ass was like, I'm
going to buy a camel. It's all on a camel.
And so next. Thing I I didn't talk like that
when I was drunk baby, I'm like.Fucking Facebook Marketplace.
How much 8? Thousand, I think it was.
Seems reasonable on the. Fucking phone.
And I look at I was he. Looks at me and then just

(01:07:51):
fucking starts. Running and I was like you
little bitch. I'm gonna go and grab her
fucking. Phone number.
Oh shit. Speaking of camel, Beatty has
camel jerky you can get so. Oh yeah, fun facts.
Fun fact about Eddie's world, the beef jerky standing there
will sell. That's why I love Betty is I
always get really good. I get really good elk jerky

(01:08:13):
there. It's one of my favorites.
And did you try the camel jerky?I have tried every kind they
have and there's some really gross ones and like there's a
there's snake jerky that they have like rattle snake now.
It's like it's silly. No one's no one ever has tried
it and been like, this is great.It's not good.
It's just I think it's a, what do you call it?
AI think it's a culture thing. No it's not.

(01:08:36):
Nobody fucking likes it. Teriyaki flavor at the gas
station. Yeah, it's not real.
I think it's just like a shock value, like, hey, you can buy
fucking snake Turkey from here and take a bite and throw it
away. But no, that's dogs that he
picks up in the desert. No, there's no Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It was rough. You could tell it was a lizard,
you know what I mean? It was a it was a reptile, you

(01:08:57):
know, it was, it was a little rough, but just fun fact about
Beatty, you know what I mean? So.
Another fun fact about Beatty. Yeah, it's cool.
I told you it's a cool place. You know, it's also the closest
turn off to Area 51, you know? So look at you.
I know. Yeah.
Fun fact, you should get your real estate license.

(01:09:19):
I'd have to quit the railroad and it's doing pretty good.
You know, I've definitely thought about doing real estate
to some extent for sure. It's definitely something that
is in my pipeline. No, it's got nothing to do with
Selling Sunset, by the way. I hear you.
That's a good show. That's a great show.
It's, it's a hard, it's a lot ofhard work.
I believe you. I know it is.
I know it's AI. Just I'm writing a book, another

(01:09:42):
second book I'm writing. I'm doing this, doing this with
John and the railroad. I just wouldn't have any time.
But that is something I'm going to do before.
First book. It was about, it was a fiction
story about my life on the railroad.
It's about we. Have to get.
We have to get us a copy of that.
Anna's got 1/1. You got one good.
One of the first purchases. Thank you.

(01:10:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's about, it's about there was
a running joke because of the way I travel that people didn't
believe that I worked on the railroad and they said, no,
you're a, you're, you must be a hit man.
So I wrote a book about it. Being a hit man.
Being a hit man on the railroad.Yeah.
So it's that tattoo. Yeah, that's it.

(01:10:25):
So it's a it's a fictional storycombined with a for the whole
well. We have to get one of.
These we do. We got to.
Yeah. And you're, you got to get yours
now. You're a gang member, Kathy's.
When I was. Younger what?
You're you look where you're. You're a gang member now.
You're affiliated. No, there'll be no face tattoos.
There will be no. I got more tattoos in sobriety

(01:10:47):
than I did. Yeah, before I look like a Boy
Scout. It's crazy.
And that was the worst. My whole body.
Yeah. Yeah.
When I was a in my 20s, I guess,I had biker boyfriends and hung
out with bikers and, you know, Ireally like the whole culture of
respect and, you know, follow the rules and respect and, you

(01:11:09):
know, took care of each other and.
Cowboys and bikers to me is the last, the last standing line of
real fucking men. Men and this is not to knock any
other guy that not saying there's not masculine, you know,
I don't know blow dry boys or whatever, you know what I mean,

(01:11:33):
but whatever. I just think that this is a
culture that is like is the epitome of what I think a
gentleman should be. And that's what I truly strive
to be today. Is is it is is to the best of my
ability, a man of conviction, A gentleman, but.
You know, standards. Standard you know will will be a

(01:11:58):
be a good person, you know. We've been doing a lot of work
lately on on our team about standards.
You know, So what a a standard is the baseline, right, Which
you know, what personal standards do you have?
You know there's a goal, but a standard is the mark below which

(01:12:21):
you refuse to let yourself fall.I agree.
I agree with that. I, I think that I think that I
didn't know what that was 11 years ago.
And now every day I try to increase that a little bit more
in my life. You know what I mean?

(01:12:42):
So, but I, I totally get what you're saying and, and I do see
the way your daughter carries herself and she definitely
carries herself as a person witha lot of standard, you know, and
that's a beautiful thing. So, you know, but Kathy, Kathy
is a sponsor of our show now. The Courtney Group is a sponsor

(01:13:03):
of 4th St. Live.
If you are looking or you are inthe market, that would be my
first stop. Please go check them out.
Kathy, I just want to say thank you so much for being here.
That was an awesome interview. I had no idea what was going to
happen here, but this. God told us.
It really turned out. I never ever planned.
I really just get up here and start talking because I just, if

(01:13:25):
I start thinking about what I'm going to say, it's always bad.
So I just talk. You know what I mean?
That's just what we do. And thanks for having me.
There's a lot of beautiful things that are are coming to
our show and we really appreciate you being a part of
it. So thank you.
Thank you. Thank you for being here, Kathy.
Yeah. Thanks guys.

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