Lily Grace #27 | Fourth Street Live

Episode 27 | Lily Grace – Rising Star of Country Music

Lily Grace is one of Australia’s fastest-rising country artists and a prolific young songwriter making waves across the industry. With a warm, heartfelt sound and a natural presence far beyond her years, Lily has already toured, written, and performed alongside icons like James Blundell, Vance Joy, Orianthi, Robben Ford, Amber Lawrence, Casey Barnes, Catherine Britt, and Human Nature.

Her contemporary country-pop style blends storytelling, emotion, and energy, captivating audiences on national and international stages.

From singing at age 10 to self-funding her gear by busking local markets, Lily built her career from the ground up. She has become a standout performer at major festivals—including Tamworth, Groundwater, and Gympie Muster—and earned accolades such as Gold Coast’s People’s Choice Award, multiple Australian Country Music People’s Choice Awards, and finalist recognition in the Queensland Music Awards. Her debut album Old Enough To Know Better soared to #1 on the ARIA Country Albums chart and #5 across all genres, holding chart positions for over three months.

With millions of streams, charting singles like “Sixteen Wishes,” “The Two of Us Meet,” and her breakout duet “Annie June,”

Lily Grace is carving her place as one of Australia’s most exciting female artists. In this episode, she shares her journey, collaborations, inspirations, and what’s next for a young artist truly destined for global stages.

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Yeah, OK. All the places you've been so
far, which ones you've been yourfavorite?
And I think the coolest like place to experience was New York
City. It was just like, there's so
much happening at once, which was cool.
Aside from that, like little country towns and the people are
so beautiful so. Yeah, it's still those little
kind. Where in New York did you go?
I was staying in Soho, so it wascool, but it was one of those

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weeks where like you, just like every, It's crazy, like 20,000
step more than that. But so did this all happen kind
of fast for you? Was it?
Was it a gradual thing? I know you've been playing music
since you were very young. I've been playing since I was
like 12, so it's been a long journey, but I'm just building
from one thing to another. And now I moved to America in
January, so now it's kind of this whole new market.

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People with different accents, different cultural things, but I
get to make cool people and experience, which is super
special. Yeah, that's pretty cool.
Did you do, do you write your music?
So I'm a I'm a musician, yeah. And I just know the validation I
get from writing a song that somebody else likes, but to have
a song to somebody that a million and 1.2 million people

(02:26):
like is, is wild. So you, you grew in a really
fast way, you kind of had the speed take off while you were
still in Australia, right? We had some amazing
opportunities and I'm so thankful because people back
home have really embraced what we've been doing, which is the
biggest blessing. I feel like as a musician, I'm
sure you understand you pour your heart into the music you
put out and anything you're working towards.

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So when you do that and it's reciprocated, that is just,
yeah. And it wasn't you got the number
5 spot for a minute, right you? Had the fifth highest selling
country album last year, which is crazy.
So I'm just so thankful to all the Australian audiences who
bought that, supported it and got behind Lily Grace so.
And which one? Which who was your inspiration?

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I've seen you playing resonatorsand the resonator that's I'm a
Blues guy really, I love the Blues.
And so I saw you playing a resonator.
I was like, alright, she's a she's a musician, you know what
I mean? So that's great.
What was your kind of, was it anAustralian singers?
Was it American singers? What was kind of your takeoff
point to want to do this? My influences, my mom comes from

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this town called Tamworth, whichis like the Nashville of
Australia on a smaller scale. But we have this country music
festival every year called the Tamworth Country Music Festival.
And we were going down because my family lived down there and I
wanted to busk at it. I was like 12.
I played the thing and I got selected in the busking
championship in the top ten. And I had to get on stage in

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front of all these people and I met all these country music, you
know, icons in Australia and they just embraced me like
nothing else. And I think first of all, I fell
in love with the people, and then second to that, the music
and the whole community around it.
So you did a festival at 12 years old?
Damn. I was terrible, like I couldn't.
No, don't say that. I'm sure you were great.

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We, we've, I like to think I've grown a little bit since then,
but it was a wonderful time and I'm just thankful I pushed
myself into it so young because it gave me the space to
experience and meet new people and just, you know, be supported
by people in the community, which is so beautiful.
That is really rad. And yeah, we like, we were just
talking about Australia really is just a cowboy country, you

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know what I mean? I always say I'm from way down
South, yeah. Old Keith Urban line.
The Keith Urban everybody from Australia is a cowboy, yeah.
Somebody had asked him, are you from the South?
And he was like the furthest South.
Yeah. Yeah, where everybody's doing
cowboy stuff. We make our Australian jokes all
the time. It's hilarious.

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We always go like before my at the end of my shows, I go guys,
I know everything in Australia bites, but not me.
Like I'm a friendly Australian. I'd love to meet you.
Please come and say hi. Yeah, we love it.
So from going to Australia to come into here, what was that
transition like for you? Massive, so many new things to
set up. I mean, more than moving to a
new city, it's, you know, doing a new driver's test, it's

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getting a Social Security number.
It's everything that goes with that.
It's been a real journey. But I'm just so thankful.
Like I've been dreaming of beingin Nashville for a really long
time is. That where you're living.
I'm living in Nashville now, which is obviously the country
music capital. Yeah.
It's like Disneyland for countrymusicians.
So I am loving being a part of that community.
And just the talent in that cityis intimidating, but it's

(05:37):
inspiring and I love being a part of that and being
challenged everyday to be aroundit.
Yeah. And it makes you better.
It does, exactly. It's intimidating, but I'm like,
man, this isn't the place to be for it, so it's great.
I do this, I do Blues jams once in a while.
And when I'm traveling, I, I'll,I did a Blues jam in Portland on
Wednesday. And this is like the veteran

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night of Blues musicians, right?And I'm pretty good and enough
to be like, I'm going to put my hat in the ring.
And I remember going up and I'm like the only white boy on the
stage, so I know it's going to be just the best.
And then they're like, we're going to play a 145 and a flat
minor. Written like nothing else.

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And I'm just like, of course, you know what I mean?
And I just sucked and it was terrible.
And I was like, and, and it justmade me want to go home and play
all the Blues in a flat minor, you know what I mean?
Blues plays as a prerequisite are insanely talented, love this
skill and it takes to get it together is impressive.
I mean, then to step it up, that's impressive.
So good on you. So was it your mom that taught

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you? My parents are not musical in
any regard, but she's just from a country music place, so it
worked out how we got there. But I pretty much spent my whole
high school years just, you know, playing little cover gigs
around town and doing the whole thing.
How are you covering? Oh my gosh, everyone like Taylor
Swift, obviously I was, you know, a 12 year old girl, Ed
Sheeran. I love like Busby, Ru Boyce Ave.

(07:04):
that kind of style stuff. So that was kind of like my
initial start and now I guess it's developed to be a bit more
pop in what I'm doing. But I was raised like my mom
would always play the acoustic version of everything around the
house. So that was like, I want to play
guitar and sing and that was theinitial goal, so.
And when did it start kind of getting your your own voice?
And why did that voice become country, you know?

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Yeah, I I was so thankful when Iwas little.
I was, I was set to open up for two artists in Australia called
James Blundle and Tanya Count again.
And James is like a platinum artist in Australia.
And unfortunately Tanya had to pull out last minute because she
was unwell. And James called me and he was
like, hey, like, you know, the headliner pulled out.
Like would you like to be the Coheadliner with me?
And I was like, Oh my God, this is crazy.

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Like, I was 15 at the time and Igot to, you know, Co headline
the show with him. And I was like, James, can we
write a song to get like, I would love to write with you.
And I was the most annoying 15 year old.
I was like, James, like I'd loveto write with you.
We should do this session. Yeah, go to the Zoom.
And we wrote a song called AnnieJune, which was my first single.
We ended up releasing it as a duet and it went number one in

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Australia, which was like my first start in my own music.
And then from there it was like,crap, I need more music.
And it was like hustling to write that, get it out and do
the whole thing. But I am just thankful for
again, good people and beautifulpeople taking a chance on me,
which is a blessing and 1/2. A lot of talent that comes out
of Australia, period. You got the Hemsworth.
I know, I know. My guys, you know, I mean poor

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No, I I totally get it yeah there's a lot of insane music
that comes there's a lot of great musicians period I don't
know what it is in the water down there but you guys really
you guys really bring the heat when.
You appreciate that. Thank you.
So, well, you had a show last night at the Carson Valley Inn.
What was the Reno community likethat I'm sorry, the Nevada
community, the Northern Nevada community like?

(08:49):
They were so sweet. It was my first time in Northern
Nevada, so I got to see Lake Tahoe beforehand and everyone
was just so hospitable and welcomed me, which was
beautiful. But the crowd that were there
just had energy, which is great.So I got given a little cowboy
hat. There's my little sailor V gift,
which is so sweet, but I can't wait to come back.
Like everyone was so nice and lovely to meet.
Yeah, they would love that. We'd love to have you here at

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the at the Pier Country. Camp that too.
It'd be fantastic, yeah. With, did it compare any
differently to any other places that you've been to?
Oh honestly I kind of felt like I was in a southern town, Like I
wasn't sure what to expect. Like I play Vegas a lot and
everyone's always sweet, but it's definitely more of like a
potty town than it was anything else.
I guess I kind of expected it tobe similar because it was
Nevada, which is a dumb Australian comment.

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No, I get what? You're saying?
I felt like I was in a little country town and everyone was
just, you know, everyone knew each other and it was beautiful
so. I think it's, I think Vegas, I
think Vegas is so transient. You don't see the locals as
much. I think when you're performing
in Vegas, you're probably performing for somebody
visiting, when here, it could beboth.

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It very much, it could be more locals than not, you know, I
mean, in Carson it's all locals.Yeah.
And and the Carson Valley Inn. Population of like 8000 or
something wasn't. There in Gardnerville, Yeah,
yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's definitely that's
locals I don't know, I like to visit out there.
I like to ride my motorcycle outin the garden.
Do you you ride? I do fantastic.
I do. Yeah.
And there's a lot of riding out there.

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And I'll show you. I've got a lot of friends in the
motorcycle community in Australia, you know, that that
build motorcycles. And that's a wild community.
You know, I'm in a motorcycle club.
Oh my gosh. So, you know, but the other
thing we wanted to kind of talk to you about is your process for
riding music. Do you go song first?
Do you go lyrics first? I'm a melody girl through in

(10:35):
three. Like my strength is 100% melody
in Nashville, Co Writing's a bigthing, as I'm sure you'd
understand. So for me, it's trying to
surround myself with people who are amazing lyricists and
collaborating on that. So whether I'm writing alone or
whatever, I always start with melody.
Like I'll come in with, you know, like a concept idea
typically, and then like a melody that I'm working on or a
loop that I've started to try and get the ideas rolling.

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But I think it's so much fun just sitting in a room and just
like challenging melodies and keeping on trying until you get
the good ones. So it's like a little challenge.
It's like fighting for it, but it's so much fun.
No, I hear that. Yeah, the melodies probably.
It's probably the most important.
And I'm always, I'm always. You Melody Guy too.
I'm music and melody first, Yeah.

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Lyrics I always struggle with. I do, you know, yeah.
The other thing that is kind of an interesting thing that I've
we haven't got a chance to talk to musicians about, there's
artificial intelligence making songs that can sound just like
Lily Grace right now. You know, there is, it's some of
the most wild thing and it's like, is this just the next

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thing that's happening or is this something that's a
negative? It's just I'm as an artist, I, I
try not to be the the guy that'slike, no, this is bad, but man,
I just don't. I know how hard it is to learn
an instrument or write a song orplay a song or perfect a song
and for it to just come across like an artificial intelligence.

(12:05):
I'm just curious what you feel about that.
You. Know it is so crazy what people
can do I mean there's this thingcalled Suno, which I'm sure
you're across which is oh right right right yeah yeah and it's
like this platform that will produce a song for you or or
write a song for you in 30. Seconds.
Easy. Nice.
I mean, I think it can be a great tool if you use it in the
right way, but I don't think it's to be taken away from what
really counts. And that's the musicality in its

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core. Yeah, I love it for, like,
creating production direction. Like you can put it in and it
can make 30 different versions of the same song and produce
like a demo, which is great for an artist going into a
production studio and being like, hey, this is the direction
I want to go. Like, can we create something
like this? I mean, I've had experiences
where I've recorded a song, spent money recording it, and
then hated how it turned out anddidn't like just the direction

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we took it. So I think in that regard of
being able to like play around with it and really communicate
ideas, it can be a great tool for the same time.
I think we have to be alert and aware about making sure we're
actually writing the music ourselves and their creative
ideas, and that can't be replaced by AI in my.
Opinion. That's true.
Yeah. It's wild.
I think. I think that if you put it like

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that, where you're saying I heard this and I'd like to do
something like this, that's so much different.
That's brainstorming, that's notthe same.
And I and I totally agree with you.
And I think in that regard it isa good tool.
I think that I think that I think that as far as it is now,

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I know the difference. I know what's real and I know
what is been written by somebodybecause of what they felt or
what they thought on some any given day.
Then I just for right now that that just can't be replaced.
And I think that you're, you're,what you're doing is still very
much an important thing. And it's also dying.

(13:56):
Yeah, you know, you know, I findso freaky there.
There's these tools now, and youcan put vocal samples into it
and they can get like AI to singin your literal voice.
And it's like, Oh my gosh, like I didn't sing it.
And it starts singing. I'm like, Oh my goodness, this.
Sounds just like me, freaky. But you're also, you're also
giving an experience that AI can't give, which is a live
show. And I want to compliment you.

(14:19):
The ultimate test to me of the litmus test of a musician is if
they sound the same live to me, right?
You know, and as a listener, youknow, and as a musician, I'm
like, do they sound the same? You sound the same, you sound
great and you also sound really good live too.
You know what I mean? That's that's like the litmus
test. That's a positive.
That's like, if you can sound live how you sound on mastered

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audio, that's a big that's a bigflex.
I appreciate that. And you really do, you really do
stand and that's and and you can't take that you AI is not
going to replace the experience of getting your girl and going
to a show and and seeing and seeing.
Nothing better than a live show.Yeah, you know, and, and, and,

(15:04):
and that's where people like youneed to just keep going and keep
recording music and keep writingmusic and, and, and, you know,
really changing the craft and having and having Nashville put
on the map. Nashville's done some crazy
things in the last, you know, some of my favorite artists
around have, I've come from Nashville.
So how are they finding Australians in Nashville?

(15:27):
How does that work, you know? We have like Australian in
Nashville mingles, like there isa whole community of Australians
in Nashville. But I feel like as well, like
most of my friends are American as well.
Just being in America, obviouslyI'm losing my accent by the day,
like just being surrounded by Americans, you know?
247365 Yeah, But it's still likenice to have a piece of home

(15:48):
there and to understand people who have come from the same
place as you and have been raised the same way and with the
same customs and everything. It's nice to have that to still
feel connected to where I come from as well.
Yeah, yeah. Do you miss home?
I do, I do. I'm heading home for Christmas
so I'm really excited for us so.Yeah, so.
Summertime. So it's summer in Australia.
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So, so you're doing Vegas and then do you go anywhere after
Vegas? The show in Florida, in Fort
Lauderdale and then I head back to Australia after that Fort.
Lauderdale, yeah. Opposite side of the country.
Yeah, Fort Lauderdale is one that that.
Have you been to Fort Lauderdale?
I haven't been to. It's a.
Trip, really. I hope you love it.
OK. It's crazy.

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It's unique, you know they have.Enough to expect now just.
I don't know, trailers, trailersand crazy people.
Florida's just a crazy place, you know what I mean?
Yeah, have you ever heard the Internet online thing, Florida
Man? No.
Oh, you've. No, man.
Into Australian anything, anything, anything crazy in the
United States, any headline thatyou've ever read about, you

(18:13):
know, alligators and golf courses.
It's just all from Florida. It's just the craziest place in
the world. I cannot wait.
Yeah. Yeah, Florida's in is in is
again, a beautiful place. Just funny, just I, I love, I
love how each state has its own little dynamical culture.
It is its own country. Yeah, it is.

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You'll you'll understand when you get there, you know what I
mean? But yeah, I mean, we have our,
we have the casino. We, we have the casino, We have
that, you know, is there a, is there a place in Australia
that's like the casino town? I wouldn't say so.
I mean, I don't feel like we have like a Vegas or anything
like that. It's.
Not a Vegas of Australia. I wouldn't say so.
I mean, I'd say like Sydney is the biggest city, but we have

(18:58):
casinos but not to the same extent where it's like a Strip
and everyone's at a party in gamble for a week.
So you've been to Vegas a coupleTimes Now.
What do you do when you're in Vegas?
I'm the most boring person ever.I normally am playing three or
4/5 shows in a week, so it's pretty much like do my show, I
get to sleep, do my admin work and do it all again.
So I wouldn't say I've really experienced Vegas as such, but I

(19:21):
always enjoy my time that like everyone's there for a good
time, so they're always brownie and fun to play too, so it's
great. So you're so you're are you go
to bed early person. I normally am, I'm like in
Australia our sunrise is like 4:30 in the morning, so we get
up super early and go to the beach and watch the sunrise.
But people don't do that in America.
Like in Nashville at least, everyone gets up at like 93010AM

(19:44):
in the music industry. So I'm kind of recalibrating at
the moment, especially playing late shows, but it feels a
little different for me. I like being, I like being up in
the morning. It feels good.
I do like being up in the morning.
I'm not a late night person, butI'm definitely a late night
person if I get to go see music,you know what I mean?
Or you have a night, you know, but I feel like I'm struggling

(20:05):
because you're 22, right? You're 20.
Excuse me, So you're 20. So I, I'm 30 and so when I
start, I start struggling if I'mup too late the next day, no
matter what, you know, so it's like I need to be in bed at
9:00, you know, no matter what. So I don't know.
My thing was I was very fearful.Of pursuing music because I was

(20:32):
genuinely afraid that playing music would lose its value in my
heart because I was commercializing myself.
Does that make sense? And I feel like now the best
thing I get to do is play piano with my daughter and my sons,
you know, and that's a good experience.

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And, and to me, I love music so much that my fear of it becoming
a chore or a job, not that it's a job that would be bad, but
like it becoming a job that would have some kind of
inevitable negative connotation,which I'm fearful of.
So just the fear alone is what'skept me from pursuing music, you

(21:17):
know? And I can tell that it hasn't
lost that for you. I can tell that it's still.
Just I have so much fun. It's kind of one of my mentors
once told me she was like Lily, like I know you, this was when I
was little. And she was like, I know you
love music, but you know, when you are to make commercially,
like it is a job, you have to block out time to rehearse.
And because you have to be consistent with it for

(21:37):
everything, it becomes more, youknow, routine like, and it's not
as exciting as it used to be. She's like, make times like do
fun singing things, like just write songs, the fun of it.
Make time to just learn fun cover songs you're not actually
gonna play live. I think that's been really
helpful and still like finding the love for her and doing
karaoke just cause it's fun instead.
And stuff that's not actually leading towards a show or

(21:58):
anything like that, just to keepit alive because I do love it.
But when you're rehearsing the same songs again and again and
again, it does get a little bit repetitive sometimes.
So. What's what's What's the process
from writing a song, completing a song, to releasing a song?
Is it, is it every song you're writing, you're trying to put it

(22:22):
out there? How's that?
How's that working for? You massive process we they
always say like you write 100 songs to get one good one.
So I wouldn't say write 100 to get a good one, but we write a
lot of songs to get you know, the ones we select and typically
that's in like an EP or an albumschedule and we'll pick all the
songs and then waterfall releasethem out.
So a lot of that time is building marketing plans.

(22:42):
It's doing the social media campaigns, it's building the
vision boards and everything before we shoot the content for
it, which I love that stuff too.Like it's so exciting to do so,
but totally different process, the songwriting process.
So it's doing that and then yourinterviews and then getting the
live set together. Like we have just started
running ears and tracks as well so we can have, you know, our
piano tracks and now synthesizers and everything as

(23:04):
well when we play live to reallyadd to the show.
So it's a matter of building those live stems and just, you
know, really trying to present the song the best way we
possibly can. Yeah, do you remember your first
guitar? My first guitar I started on a
little mini Martin. It was like this big.
It looks like it had shrunk in the wash.
Still have. One, I still have 1 Martin.
Yeah, 1-2 Me too. Mine's back home and I love that
thing. I mean, the little pig God, it

(23:26):
had no pig God on it and it's completely overrated.
Like there is like I love it. I've played it to death, those.
Always sound good still too. You know, yeah, it's beautiful.
So that was your first one. Are you still a Martin person?
I'm not. I'm with on Fennec now, which
are an Australian company. You'll have to try my guitar,
it's beautiful. They're actually made on my in
my hometown, which is so cool. And now they're expanding to the

(23:46):
US, so we're both kind of doing the same thing, which is really
fun. And they make acoustic
resonators. They make a bunch of things
don't. They mainly acoustics.
Well, I only really play acoustic mainly, yeah, but I'm
just such a fan. Like, she's my baby and I bear
with old cars. She's beautiful.
Wow, so is there a lot of peopleplaying Phoenix here now?

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Yeah, I'd say it's definitely growing.
A lot of people from Australia bring them with them, but Chris
Hemsa thought you got one recently too, which is cool as
he joined the Fennec family, which is great.
Outside, yes, by the same crew, which we love.
I have seen a few of those actually.
I, I, yeah. When you when you travel to a
new state or city, is there anything you do like go to a

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record store or anything like that?
I need to get better about this because I feel like whenever I
go somewhere I never see it. I just get there.
I go to the hotel, sound check and leave.
But I mean I'm trying to I guessI like to try like workout
classes and stuff. So maybe trying like a workout?
Class in different places that'dbe.
Cool. And that's cool if there's like
a native food and stuff, I try to find the locals and see if we

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can check it out. But I'm trying to be better
about that, like going for a walk in a National Park or
something that's in the city. Because I feel like while you're
here, you might as well experience it and get that life
experience under your belt too, so.
Yeah, I heard another country. Country.
I think it was an actress talking about how her initial
impression of what the states was going to be was like a very

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uncultured people that doesn't really travel well.
But it's like now you understandjust how big this place is, and
like just going to a different state really is like going to a
different place, you know? The first place I ever landed
was West Virginia. And when I tell you like yeah,
most the most big accents I haveever heard in my life, like I

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could not. They are the most beautiful
people. But my first taste of America, I
was like, say that six more times because I just.
You're talking different languages.
And to me, they like, just keep speaking, like, I want to hear
your accent like this. And then you go to Los Angeles
and it's totally different. Yeah.
So it's cool to experience that and just see different parts of
the world. I mean, in West Virginia, they
love pepperoni rolls. Like, that's their national
thing. It's, it's hilarious.

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Like I just love how every placehas their own little thing.
It's really cool. No, that's real.
That's real. Is is there any new music that
you're coming out with here? Pretty quick?
Can we talk about? It it's coming soon.
I'm riding a ton at the moment in Nashville, so whenever I'm
there we're just fighting for the next song and we've got some
good ones we're sitting on now, which is really cool.
So we're leading pretty pop withthe new music.

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Definitely still in the country lane, but just with a little pop
influence, which is really exciting because it's just, I
feel like it's pushing the boundaries a little bit
sonically, but that was that's what makes it more exciting.
So we're having really a fun time with that and I can't wait
to share what's coming out soon.So yeah.
So when you were 10 years old and you were starting to learn

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music, did you have any idea that we were going to be talking
on a podcast in Reno, NV today? Absolutely not.
Gotcha. OK, No.
Well, I think it worked out. And I think that Nashville has
this unique talent of finding talent and it's a little
different than Hollywood. I think it's a little more
cutthroat than Hollywood. I think you have to be really
good and I think you have to know some things.

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I've I've, I've seen people fakeit in other places.
Musicians, you can't fake it in Nashville.
You really have to know what you're doing.
So just being able to say, hey, look, I'm there.
That's a huge thing. I appreciate that.
Thank you. It's it's a wonderful place to
be. Are you?
I know you've played with genresand you've kind of gone poppy a

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little bit, country a little bitrocky, a little bit rocky a
little bit, yeah. Is there, is there anything
behind that? Is it just you're not really
married to anyone specific genre?
I mean, it's what I'm listening to and what I'm influenced by.
I think one of my songwriting mentors told me if you listen to
good music, you're going to write good songs.
Be that jazz music, be that Blues, whatever it is.
If you're listening to good quality music, that's going to

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be seen through what you're writing as well.
So I really try to like diversify what I'm listening to.
My management put me through like a little thing recently
where we wrote with a bunch of people from different genres,
like I'm riding with some rock people, with some metal people.
And I was, I hated it. Like I'm like, this is too much,
like my hair is spinning. But what's really cool is like
you draw elements from differentgenres and see what's cool and

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it kind of helps, I guess, bringunique ideas into the country
world as well and just diversifywhat you're doing.
So I love challenges like that. I didn't love it at the time,
but it's cool like now let's seeif I can you learn anything.
I did, I feel like just ways of writing.
I mean, pop people write very differently to country people.
They have very they fight. Pop has to be lyrics first,
doesn't it? Well, I mean, that was in in

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pop, most people have like a track that they start with and
they write to a track and they'll make like a melody like
I don't know. And then you do the lyrics after
you've mapped out the entire melody of the song.
And then you just replace that vocal track with the actual
lyrics, like just, I don't know,it's cool to learn different
things and open your eyes to it.And I think, like, Nashville is
such a Mecca of great music all around.

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So to be part of that is just like the place to be.
It's fantastic. Yeah, I've met some.
I've met some metal. I'm not.
I say I I grew up. I grew up.
I was in the marching band as a kid, right?
You know what I mean? Yeah, I was in.
I was in the drumline and like percussion and like did.
You have one of those hats too, yeah.
I sure did. If you ask my mom she'll give it

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to you bro. I think she's got it like on her
Facebook, right? Now it's framed, yeah.
Yeah. So then it's like, and I like, I
think that that was great. It's some of the best music.
I I it really taught me what I really loved, which was jazz and
Blues, you know what I mean? And it was, you know, play jazz.
But a lot of the kids I grew up with in a specific program ended

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up becoming some of the bit likemusic teachers.
One of my friends, Casey, is a music teacher at a high school
now. Incredible.
And a lot of them, what you werejust saying about the metal is
like, man, that was always noiseto me as a kid, you know, And
then I listen to a kid I grew upwith who is a jazz drummer start

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playing metal and a jazz bassiststart playing metal and
realizing that just how musical and difficult that genre of
music is. It's crazy how you and once you
kind of take a step back and look at it and if you, if you
can ever read the sheet music ofmetal music it, it gets.

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I can't. Oh, you, you don't read.
Well, I don't read metal, that'sfor sure, but.
That's for sure. I don't think anybody does.
Yeah. I don't even think metal people
read metal music. Yeah, I think they make it up.
It's so cool though, I love the appreciation of different
genres. I think like it's, it's great to
just push yourself into that andsee it also.
Yeah, no, that's real. Is there a what was the biggest
culture change from coming from there to here?

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I think sarcasm, like, and some people, is that not a thing?
It's such a thing in Australia. And I feel like some places it
is, some places it isn't. People just think I'm being a
bully and I'm like, no, I'm, I'mkidding, I swear.
But yeah, yeah, aside from that,most things are the same.
I mean, driving was definitely adjustment.
We are on the other side of the road in Australia.
So I had to do my driving test the other day and I pulled up
with all the 15 year olds and I was like, hey guys, here I am.

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So just stuff like that as beingfunny.
But generally, like most things are very similar.
It's it's been cool. What I was curious about, if
somebody uses your voice on a thing, are they allowed to do
that? Are they allowed to put that
song out and. So I'm trying to figure out at
the moment. So like, my producer friends are

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much more across the AI stuff than I am.
I don't produce, I write and sing.
But with sooner like if you don't have a membership, they
take brightest share of the song, I'm pretty sure.
So you have to be careful that you make sure you have like a
membership to pay for it. But I don't quote me on it, but
I'm pretty sure you can release like that track.
You can also pull it. So if I wanted to, I could pull
that song, remove the AI vocal and sing over it.

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And that's the produced song youcould release, which is just
crazy that that can happen. But I mean, it's so cool as
well, like for two of people to do demos and stuff.
It's great, but just crazy that that can be done in 30 seconds.
It's insane but. Have you listened to any of the
ones that they're coming out with the remakes of the?
Really, I've been playing aroundat the moment with my own songs

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and just putting old material inthere to see what it would sound
like produced. That's cool.
Which is cool from like an AR perspective.
Doesn't, you know, sit back and be like, oh, like this sounds.
Give you a fresh take on something you didn't.
Think it does, which has been really fun.
So and also like directionally, like I can tell it to make it a
rock song, I tell it to make it a pop song and it produces at
different directions, which is cool to just see where the song
can go and make the right call when you're choosing songs to

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record. Some of the ones like and I,
that's where I should have not listened because I listened to a
bunch of Blues songs, like like some of the remakes of some of
these hip hop songs and Blues. And it was like, man, I wish I
would have thought of that. You know, you know, why don't I
sing like that? No, just kidding.
No, no, no, that's real. The AI very cool, does some
crazy stuff. It's doing all these like Mariah

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Carey riffs and runs. I was like, Dang, I wish I could
sing like that. Oh damn, it's cool.
But that's. Cool.
Hey, John, will you pause that for two seconds?
Russell Crowe talks it. Russell Crowe lives in.
What does he call it? The Bush, right?
Yeah. Yeah, he lives.
Where's the Bush? The Bush.
Yeah. He What does he say?
He said he lives in, he lives insomewhere in Australia, which is
like the rugged wilderness in the middle of nowhere, right?

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And he talks about wild hogs that will kill you, you know,
like. Snakes and lizards like you guys
have the scariest animals. Everyone, every American the
first name says is like I'd loveto come to Australia but I can't
cuz I'm gonna get bitten by no I'd.
Still love it. I still love it.
The first response just hilarious.
But I mean, when you grow up there, I've seen what like two
or three spiders, bad ones in mylife.
And yes, there are. They are there and everything.

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But like in school as well, theyliterally teach you like what
spiders are dangerous and which ones aren't.
Like that's in the curriculum. You get taught like to spot a
dangerous spider and not to touch it and stuff.
So yeah, I guess it's part of the culture.
But the dangerous ones though are like this.
Big and scary but. Yeah, like we got like brown
reclusive, those ones are that'sa that's a crazy spotter for

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Northern Nevada and. You guys have like, rattlesnakes
here too, yeah. Yeah, probably.
We're right near 1 today, you know.
Yeah, yeah, rattlesnakes are wild.
Yeah, We have some crazy animalsI think as well, and some some
weird wildlife. But you were in Tahoe.
We got, I think that's the craziest is the bears.
Is bears. Oh, yeah.
Oh my God, yeah. Black bears, they're like, they

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walk around and right where you are.
Yeah, they walk around through the grocery stores.
And are you serious? Black bears and brown bears are
the are the friendliest, if you can say that.
It's like a oxymoron, but it's like the friendliest of the
bears. So they're not super aggressive.
Everything you see? Yeah.
Wow, you guys. I saw a deer for the first time
recently and where? Was that?

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That was when I first got here, like in Nashville area.
But we have like, I feel like our Kangaroos are your deers.
Like they're always on the side of the roads.
You have to watch for them. And yeah.
Nashville has little deers, so they're whitetail.
Whitetail. That's right.
Yeah, that's real deer. And they're those, they're
bigger. Yeah, and they're like spooky.
They don't let you get 1000 yards near white tails.

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Really eat out of your hand. Oh my gosh, they're like sweet
ones. Yeah, you.
Should be scared of America, notAustralian as far.
Out and it kind of is crazy likethat yeah I mean grizzly bears
in like Montana and stuff is nuts yeah.
There's places where I go where I have to travel and they'll be
like it's bear season I'm like doesn't that mean we should just
not go today you know and they're like no, we're gone you

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know it's crazy. I hear you.
One of the other things I wantedto go ahead.
Montana got so bad that they were warning hunters.
The Grizzlies got so smart during elk season.
In the fall, right? Yeah, they was just really.
Gunshot. And they knew that's a dinner
bill now. And so now you have an 800 LB
Brown. What do they do?
Do they chase you and buy you? What?

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Grizzly bears will. Grizzly bears.
It's, yeah. I mean, I've been to Alaska.
I've seen a grizzly bear, prettymuch they'll give you a wide
berth if you, but if it's their Cubs are around and stuff like
that, and I don't know. I've never talked to one
personally. So yeah, yeah.
I don't know what makes that trying to quit.
Yeah. They're wild.
They have. Like a staggering amounts of

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bear attacks. Not yet.
I don't know, I think but. When most get us sharks and
stuff in Australia but. So that's crazy.
That's crazy. Australia has my favorite video
on the Internet, hands down. Of which one's that of the
kangaroo choking out the guy's dog?
And the guy, he just smacks the the kangaroo, Yeah.
The right hook and the kangaroo like looked at him and got his
dog back. It's the best video.

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I it fell in love with Australiathat that day when I watched
that video. Yeah, that's a cool.
That's like, this is a cool place.
Yeah. One of the other things I think
we should talk a little bit about thought it was cool when
we were talking about having youon, one of the things we did was
of course, just start listening to some of your music.
And so I listened. I have a three-year old daughter

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and I didn't know how much I could love another person until
I had a little girl. You know what I mean?
My boys are great, I love them, but I love my little girl a lot.
She's a sweet in a way that I can't quite articulate.
And we started listening to a few of your songs, probably just
your top three on Spotify and sort of listen to it.

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And she, you know, she started dancing and singing.
I just thought that was cool. What I think is cool about what
you're doing, especially with your, I don't know if target is
the right word, but you have a market for, for, for young
women, you know what I mean? And, and whether you understand
it or not, or whether that's your goal or not, you're, you're
doing a certain level of empowerment.

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That's a positive thing. What is the motivation, if there
is an intentional motivation of kind of empowering young, other
young women or just people in general?
You know what I mean? Yeah, thank you.
I appreciate that. My demographic is 100% like 15
to 25 year old girls, girls who are kind of navigating a similar

(37:41):
stage of life that I am. And I think our goal is always
just being authentic in the writing room.
And that's me bringing in every story.
My friends are going through every dating story, just
anything and putting it out on the table and trying to make
people feel understood. Because I feel like anything I
go through, someone else has gone through.
And it's the point of giving them a song that they can stand
behind and be like, wow, I see myself in this.
I'm not alone in this experience.

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So that's definitely the intent for us.
Yeah, yeah. No, it's you're good.
One of the best things that you've you've you've done is,
is, is give is give a voice to some people that quite can't
quite say what they want. And I think that's what's so
cool about music, man, you know,Thank you.
I appreciate that. Is like you can say you can hear

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your song go. Damn, that's exactly how I felt
about this situation. That's always.
Quite couldn't quite say it, butyeah, it was cool because my
daughter was listening to one ofyour songs on the way.
I'm just hearing her dance to your song and kind of just do
one of these things at three years old is is a really, really
sweet thing. So you got, you got a couple of
fans out of coming here to Nevada, you know, is this one of

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these places you'd come back to?I'd love to 100%.
Cuz I'm sure pure country would really love.
That I would love that. It'd be a great time you guys
can get on the dance floor for us and get it all moving.
I will not. Everyone's doing these.
John's. John's just too big, dude.
I'm listening to the music. Yeah.
I can't dance. Yeah.
Funniest part is we've been playing a bunch of line dancing
clubs at the moment, which has been so much fun.

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That's. What this is, yeah.
Well I cannot line dance for my life, can you not?
No, I need to work on it cuz I'ma country singer and I'm like
this. So that's that's, that's one of
those things. It's like musicians there.
I'm sure there's musicians who can dance, but I'm just saying
the rule generally is like, if Ican play music, I'm probably not
a great dancer. I don't know if that's what you
I am. One of those people.
I am too, you know. I am for sure.

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You know, I'm definitely one of the people that I let my wife do
the dancing for the both of us. You know what I mean?
You can't stand her up with yourgreatness.
I can't. I just, I'm just like, well, you
look great, you know, have you? Ever seen a George Strait
concert? No, he has a stone, isn't he,
man? God, Yeah, man.

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George Strait. He's we had country music.
Or did Australia have country music first?
You can tell us. I feel like you would have.
Did it? I don't know.
There's a saying it's America sneeze in Australia, catch this
cold. And I feel like a lot of the
influence, like even in Australia, like our radio
airplay, so much of it is American influence.
So I feel like even before I came over here.
I've heard so much of your music, I've looked up to so many

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of your artists and so many things culturally.
Australia's definitely, you know, got its own thing as well.
Yeah, but I feel like we are very heavily influenced from
what's happening in the States. Have you been anywhere else
besides Australia? I'm sure besides the states in
Australia. You know what?
I. Mean I have more just a vacation
though than anything. Oh, not not performing, not.
Performing. Gotcha.

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Yeah. And I've never been out of the
country. Really.
Well, Australia can be the firstplace.
Thank you guys. Yeah, never been anywhere.
You haven't either. Alaska.
That's it. That's that's.
America, Brother. Yeah, no, I've never been
anywhere. I've been like where?
Everywhere I could drive. Fantastic.
Yeah, you can drive there. It's a that's a nightmare.

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Alaska. Two weeks from here.
Wow. Oh, cuz you got to go up to
Canada. Across the continent.
Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a, that's a little bit of
a hike, man. Yeah.
Is there? Sorry, hold on one SEC.
Is there is there any tour datesin the future that are out of
the country? Yes, we've got some coming up
next year. They haven't been announced yet,

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but outside of the US it should be fun.
I'm going back. I'm doing a show in Australia
when I'm back home as well. Just a little pop up thing which
will be great. But yes, I'm excited to
experience a new places too. That will be a trip for you, I
know. I'm excited.
I'm excited for that. I'm very excited.
So your is your fan base more it's it's it's starting to be a

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lot of American it's. It's really funny.
I mean, we've been doing that thing in Australia and touring
there a ton. So I've been doing that for a
while obviously, and we have an amazing community of people
there. But just with the size of
America, like my social media figures, like we have a lot more
in America now, which is crazy. But yes, we're out here and I'm
touring a ton in the States, so it's certainly growing in that

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for sure. Yeah, yeah.
Any crazy stories that have happened while you've been on
tour so far? Stories.
There's always crazy stories. I'm the worst tell.
US1 This is the best show for putting.
Me on the spot. I'm trying to think this is me,
what's happened? You're good.
I don't know. I'm like the worst traveller in
the world. Like when it comes to airlines
my manager always jokes like every time you fly something
goes wrong every single time without a fail like.

(42:20):
What time is your flight just? 2:30 I think Chinese dentist
time. We, I mean, just like, you know,
just crazy stuff like I'll, you know, one time I was flying back
from Australia and we were going, I was going into
Nashville, but then we had to goto Saint Paul.
But I already booked my flight and it wasn't refundable.
And I was like, well, it seems silly to like, you know, just

(42:42):
book a whole new flight that goes to Saint Paul.
But the only flight that would get me there in time was one
that, you know, literally left an hour after I landed on a
different airline. And I was like, well, I'll just
bring all my stuff in a carry onbag.
I'll send someone to the airportto pick up my checked luggage.
Genius idea? I thought.
So I had my friend. Hey that makes sense on me to
me. Really genius.
Legit here. Anyway, of course, I get to the

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plane and I've got everything like a week of stuff in Saint
Paul and they go, you're gonna have to check your carry on bag.
I was like, no, like you don't understand.
I cannot check my carry on, but I need it for this week, Week in
Saint Paul. She was, no, you're gonna have
to check it. You can have a personal item.
So I had like a Trader Joe's bag, like a brown paper bag.
It was my, like, personal item. Yeah.
And I've taken every last piece of luggage out of my suitcase

(43:25):
into this Trader Joe's bag. And I kid you not, like it's
this big, like everything. I checked an empty suitcase to
Nashville. The agent lady is like, no, no,
no, you can't. I was like, well, I need my
stuff. Like, I have to bring it.
So I'm seeing that. Mind you, 17 hour flight from
Australia. I've got this seat and everyone
hates me. I'm sitting there with my stuff
stacked up like right here for 17 hour flat.
I'm going to the airport carrying like this pile of

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stuff, like, and if I'm going through major airports, like,
you know, I think I was flying through San Francisco and you
know what that airport's like? It is like a truck and a half.
Yeah. So I'm like carrying this entire
thing. I'm wearing like high heeled
boots because they had to changethem just like the most
ridiculous situation. Yeah, there's totally other ones
too, but just on the spot there.No, that's yeah.

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No, I totally get it. Yeah.
Have you? Have you done the opera yet?
I haven't done the opera yet. The bucket list for sure there.
You haven't been. I've been to visit but not.
Play it. Yeah.
What's that like? We've never seen it.
You haven't been. Oh, my goodness, it's amazing.
I feel like it is just like church for country music.
It is, you know, the Mecca of everything.
And so many people have played there.

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It's do. You remember who you saw there.
I was playing. My old manager managed someone
who was playing Bill Anderson, so we were there when he was
playing. Vince Gill played that night.
I'm pretty sure Carrie Underwoodas well.
It's just amazing. Like I mean the energy in that
room is just, it's like a spiritual thing.
It's like, oh fucking is wet country music catheter.

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It's so cool. You're, you're you're close, but
Carrie Underwood might be my favorite, you know?
Yeah, she's, she's something. She's fantastic.
It just must be hard looking like her, you know what I mean?
You know, she just about struggle every day, you know?
Yeah. No, I love her.
Your favorite line where she's neat?
She's neat. She's sure neat, you know?

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Such a queen, Such a queen. Yeah.
What time is it right now, John?It's 12:50.
OK, we got time. What time do you want to be out
of here by? You need to be there an hour
early. That'd be great, maybe like an
hour 20 if that's OK. So quick math 1:00. 15 minutes,
son. Sounds good.
Thank you. Is there anything that you want

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to talk about maybe just create some urgency towards towards
what you got going on? We I'd love to talk about that.
We'll cut this little section out as well, but I just want to
make. Sure.
Today's coming up next year as well.
We'll be back in Vegas again sometime soon.
You mentioned we played Stoney'slast night because that's always
really a really fun one to do inVegas.

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You. Did Stoney's.
We did Stoney's in Vegas. So we go back.
We'll probably come back again probably like March, April next
year. Yeah.
I think like is this mainly Renopeople listening or all around
OK. We're countrywide now just and
we're gonna be, this is gonna bereally we're, we're marketing it
largely in Australia as well. Really fantastic.
So we're gonna make sure that you get a lot of presents from

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home. But no, this is national.
Yeah, well, our two dates haven't been announced yet,
neither of the releases. So just say maybe new music
coming out next year, working towards an album in 2027 and
then 20 dates to be announced. So.
So how many albums do you have out now?
One got that one. My second album.
Gotcha. And do you put singles out here
and. There I do.
It's always like you completely waterfall, like it's a year of

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releases and it's like, Oh my God, she is the album, but.
That's what it is, huh? So it's like just singles until
you have enough for an album kind of thing.
So, so then so then Australia. So how does it work?
Do you kind of go east to West every year or do you go is there
any method to to that? I've never.
Go back home to visit or. No, as far as your tours go.

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Oh yeah. So I mean, we have our major
cities in Australia. It depends on the tour.
Like we had a couple of shows with Robin Ford and Oriente last
year and they were all major cities.
Like it's fly in, fly out, fly in, fly out and you do your like
Perth, Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide.
But then regional touring is really fun too, which is where
you get to go and meet all thesecool people in country towns and

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stuff as well. And I love that because they're
always so thankful for you to bethere and play for them.
And they just bring the energy which we love.
But again, Australia is massive.So I mean to get from one city
to the other, from Brisbane to Sydney is a day and off drive.
So it's not something you exactly want to do if you can
avoid it. Yeah.
Do you do when you get here, areyou flying or do you drive or is

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it mixed or what is? It to Reno, Yeah, I flew to Reno
and you're. Flying to Vegas.
I'm flying to Vegas, yeah. That's not a bad drive.
That's like 6. Hours.
No. I don't have a car here though,
but if I did drive, yeah, we would.
But. You got to do some of that road
trip stuff just for fun, you know?
I had AI have a California when you're on coming up next year
and I'm considering driving justso I can see like you know, go
through Arizona in Seattle. I think it'd be beautiful.

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It's. One of my favorite.
Drives but again like what, 3 days driving?
From where to where? Nashville.
Both it's. What I'm saying, yeah.
You will see everything. You'll meet everybody.
It's funny. It's different when you drive.
Feel like the news and social media makes it out to be that

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our world is so polarized and controversial and so divided.
When you drive through places and see Wyoming to Arizona in
one day, or go through the bluest blue states of Colorado
and the reddest red states of Wyoming, It's not.

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It really isn't. It really isn't as polarizing as
the world seems to make it. And I think that's why getting
to travel in different ways is kind of, it is kind of a cool
thing. It really isn't.
You're even your audience. Your audience isn't gonna be the
same anywhere you go, you know? Very.
Good people everywhere and it's beautiful.
I love, I think the biggest blessing with this career is

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getting to like meet all the people.
Like I am so thankful. I feel like I've met so many
different cultures, people from different walks of lives and it
grows your mindset so much. Like I feel like I am a much
more level headed person becauseof it, which is great.
And I'm still working on all of that.
But I mean, I just think it's fantastic that you.
Get to Yeah. Have you got to ride a
motorcycle out here yet? I.
Haven't ridden a motorcycle everin my life so I don't know if
I'd have the balls to do it, butit's.

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Fun. It's fun.
That's like, if you're here, that's when, you know, like, OK,
you're we can call you an American now we get you on a
Harley-Davidson, you know? Yeah, No, Nashville is a big
Harley town, you know. Yeah, that's like some of my
favorite bike builders are from that area.
Nashville is just a cool place, period.
It's not just me. I mean, of course it's music,

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but there's it's a beautiful town.
At my first 4th of July I would you do.
I went to Michigan to see some friends, so we were hanging up
there, which is fun, But Thanksgiving, we don't celebrate
Thanksgiving in Australia either, so that was a different
one as well. But but I think it's cool you
guys all your thanks. This tradition here seems to be
to hang the Christmas trees the day after Thanksgiving and yeah,

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put up decoration. It's always November 1st in
Australia. So I was like, my gosh, it's
all. Over.
Is that what it? Is and the first everyone decks
out so. I do it.
My son's birthday is the day before Thanksgiving, and so I
wait to do Christmas decorationsuntil after my son's birthday so
he can still feel like he's got to say about him.
You know what I mean? So it's like we're not just
going one into another. But yeah, same thing as as.

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Yeah, we definitely do it prettyquick.
I didn't know that. Is there any reason behind doing
it the first of November? And also we.
Didn't celebrate Thanksgiving, so it's.
Just it's holiday time for two months in Australia.
Yeah, cool. Is there any newer tradition?
Different traditions for Christmas from here to there?
I mean just the temperature likewe.
That is a trip. It's crazy, like we have like

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beach barbecues, we do seafood, we will be doing cocktails.
Like it's completely different vibe.
I mean you guys obviously ruggedup in your willies and
everything by getting our bathing suits on and going to
the beach. So it's very different in that
regard. But I'm excited to experience a
White Christmas sometime soon and I feel like it feels very
Christmassy. So I know you guys it's normal

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you. Might even.
Yeah, we're I'm Yeah. Usually we have snow in.
November here. Insane.
Normally snowing, yeah. It's great.
It's great that there's not yet,but we do.
We sure do love it. I'm sure you saw some up in
Tahoe, you know? Yeah.
We did. I found, again, beach town.
So I'd never really seen snow. It snowed for like one day in
Nashville and Nashville snow is not snow.
It was like, you know, half an inch.

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And I was freaking out like a kid on Christmas.
I'm like, Oh my gosh, guys, it'ssnowing.
And my roommates at the time were from Michigan, and they
were like, this is not snow. What are you talking about?
They know the people from Michigan know what snow is.
Yeah, that's Michigan people. Are party bunch.
They are, man. Yeah, yeah, they got an extra
layer of skin or something, you know what I mean?

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Yeah, they've got that's the onewhere like the last two years
they had that deep freeze, right.
How crazy where it like froze over in the winter time is like
negative. Yeah.
There's there's friends of mine that have to like bring their
motorcycles inside the house. Yeah, really.
Because the the there's components on the motorcycle,
it'll freeze get even their gas tank will get so.
I flew into Alaska. It was -40.

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Oh my God. Yeah, yeah.
America. Yeah, Yeah.
No, it was negative. 40 And whenI walked out the airport door,
it was like 4 feet of snow just banked up on the sidewalk and I
was like, what is this? Like what?
Yeah. This is not.
Real. Yeah.
There's a, there's a run in Alaska every year where they do.

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It's called the the it's called,I can't remember.
It's called Frozen Few. The Frozen Few ride where you
ride in the snow in winter in Alaska.
Like on a roller coaster or. No motorcycles.
Yeah. Yeah.
And so they have to have a swingarm with a wheel because it's
there's snow on the ground. It's just, my God, dumb kind of.
You know what I mean? But it's tight.
Yeah. Yeah.
I'd probably do it. To say I've done it.

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It's like, it's like swimming inthe frozen water.
It just seems silly. But you got to say you did it.
Well, Lily, you are very, very welcome, and we'd love to have
you back here in Reno very, verysoon.
Hopefully here at Pier Country. This is our stomping ground, so
we'd love to have you back. And we just want to say thank

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you so much for coming on. How many American podcasts have
you done so far? Gosh, we've done a few more
natural based ones though, so first one in Nevada, so we love.
That How about we just only haveyou do this one in Nevada, You
know, fantastic. We'll have you back every time
you're through. It's seriously.
Been such a pleasure so thank you so much for having me on.
I really appreciate. It thank you so much.

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We'll see you very soon everybody.
Thank you for listening. Please go check out Lily Grace
check her tour dates. She's Lily Grace live on all her
social media and we will definitely be having her back.
So thanks again. Appreciate you.
Thank you.