Troy Regas #24 | Fourth Street Live - 4th Street Live Podcast

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One of the one things I wanted to talk to you about is was was
that Love Ranch movie? Just wanted to start with that
just because I know you hate that movie.
I know you hate it. Well, yeah, yeah, I know.
You just. So I hate a lot of that stuff
because to me, a lot of it's fiction.
Right, right, right. And they took a lot of
liberties. With it too, right?
So I'm, I'm not saying there aren't truthful parts in it.

(00:31):
Yeah, just from our point of view, there's a lot of things
that we're like, wow, that didn't happen.
Yeah, yeah. Like that?
Yeah, so if you ask Google, there's a character in it who is
the bouncer of the security guard.
He's like a welder. He's like a guy that works
around the thing. And they say that it's you and
they say it's you and they say because any also, I got to show
you a picture when we're done because, because they, they even

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made him look like you. You know what I mean?
He's a famous actor too. It's funny.
But so the the only part about that I didn't do at the brothels
is probably welding. Is welding, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so. And we did have people that
would do welding, but I wasn't the guy who did the welding.
Gotcha, Right. Gotcha.
So you start, where are you? How old were you when you
started working there? Running around?

(01:14):
Oh, man, I I think the first time I really started working
out there, I was probably 3030, right?
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
So one of one of my favorite stories you've ever told was
starting the Renegades here. You know what I mean?
And I kind of wanted to start here because there's a, there's

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a, there's just a lot I want to talk to you about.
And there's a lot of things thatyou probably don't know, but but
that's such, that's just you have impacted the culture here
in Northern Nevada in a way thatI don't think I can quite
articulate. But I mean, there's a picture of
you hanging up in our clubhouse with the founder of our club and

(01:57):
Jimmy, you know what I mean? It's just like there's so much
to be said about the direction Northern Nevada went in it, and
I think a lot of it happens 27 years ago, man you.
Know so so technically it'd be 30 years ago, right?
So it'd be around so So what basically happens I'm in federal

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prison and when I went to prisonI had nothing to do with
motorcycles, right? Or motorcycle clubs, I should
say, because I rode motorcycles,but I had nothing to do with
motorcycle clubs. And when I went to prison, I
actually the first time I met a Hell's Angel in life.
And I'm not saying because I didmeet Hell's Angels when I was
younger, I saw them. I just never like walked up and

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hey, I'm Troy, whatever. But the first time I've met one
was in prison and I was really impressed.
The number one thing that oppressed me about him is here
you have this prison with thousands of inmates and you
have these four or five bikers and one's a Hell's Angel and
everyone in that whole prison respected him.

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It was like when that dude walked, he didn't need, he
didn't need a club. He didn't need 100 guys.
He didn't need 20 guys by himself.
He had all the respect there wasand I appreciated that.
That was the thing that kind of caught my eye.
But what happened? I was there and my
brother-in-law, David Burgess and my brother Sean Regas

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happened to be kind of hanging around with the Oakland Charter,
the Hells Angels, and. Sean was hanging out with him
before you were. Both of them were got it because
I was in prison. Got it, Got it.
Right. Even though we we did everything
together, I went away for a couple years and in that couple
years about probably about a year, they were just kind of

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hanging out, talking, hanging out talking.
And I think they, they actually go to Oakland and they're
hanging out and Oakland brings him in the room and says, what
are you guys doing? And they say, well, you know, we
want to be Hell's Angels. And, and I knew this because
when I talked to Sean, he would tell me on the phone and he'd

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go, as soon as you get out, you're going to be with us and
we're going to make this thing happen.
And so they go down, they're talking.
Oakland pretty much tells them, look, if you guys want to move
down here, then you could prospect for us, But if you're
going to live in Reno, you got to start a club because we're

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just not going to give you prospect patches.
So they come back and they startforming the whole group of the
Reno Renegades, and then I get out shortly thereafter.
And so they pretty much all of them have came up with the
design, the patch, the group, and then I get out, right.
And then of course, I'm a member.

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Yeah. And I believe when I first
start, I'm actually a prospect. For the Renegades.
That's right, no way. There was 1 member back then.
And he says to me he goes well Idon't know who you are and he
says it in a meeting. And I was like, well, that's
your fault. Like you don't know me, that's
your fault, right? Because I kind of have a name

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around this town and because. There was only really two clubs
around here, right? No, no.
When we first started there was about 12.
OK, but. Shortly thereafter, there was
about four or five. OK, OK, but I'll get into that.
So, but let's go back. So what happens is this guy
named Stick who told me that he didn't know me well that night

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because, you know, I didn't really know the rules yet
because I've been in prison, butI I kind of knew St. rules.
So I told Sean I I go, which wasmy brother.
I go, Hey, this guy needs to getto meet me.
So I'm going to go to his house and he's going to learn who I
am. And by that I meant I was
knocking on his door and he was walking outside and we were
going to hook it up. So I went over to his house,

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knocked on his door and told himto come outside, you need to get
to meet me. And he goes, Oh no, I know you
are, I'll, I'll vote you in tomorrow.
And I got voted in the next day.Fuck.
So it kind of because he was theonly no vote.
Everyone else knew me. And so at that point I was a
member and then I was the first thing.

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As soon as I got in, they made me the treasurer, right?
So I was the treasurer of the club.
And that's kind of how the wholething grows because I developed
the, you know, the cat House Poker run, selling T-shirts,
making money, buying the house. Like all that is kind of came
from my fruits of what I was doing.

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Even though I had a club behind me, I was the force pushing
everything. I know what that's like.
Yeah, yeah. That's that's a trip, man.
And it's crazy where all that stuff come How how many years
was it? This was just the Cat House run
that was 27. Right.
So, so the cows run. We've been doing 28 years,
right? Yeah, yeah, it was 28 this year.
Yeah, so when we first start theCow House Poker Run, we're

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Renegades and, and, and so the reason I start the Cow House
Poker Run has to do with the brothels.
So I'm at the time I'm running the brothel.
I think I'm the brothel manager of the old bridge.
I'm also on the brothel board, the association.
So I would travel and go to all the brothel meetings.
But basically what happens is back then you could not

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advertise for brothel whatsoeverand if you did, they would
arrest you for pandering becauseprostitution was only legal in
Story County and once you cross that line you know you can talk
about prostitution anymore. Even if you went and bought a
girl in the house, whatever you did on the outside was between
you 2 because you you weren't inStory County.

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Got it. Right.
And sex wasn't actually legal, so that was just too consenting
adults going to do whatever theywere doing.
And so we decided one way to getpeople out to the brothels is
we're going to do a poker run and invite people out, you know,
advertise scales, poker run. And the first year we did it, we
had 1800 people go get the very first year and it was a success.

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People never been in brothels, Women had never been in
brothels. And from there, it seemed like
it kind of started opening up a little bit, you know, shortly
thereafter, you're allowed to advertise a little, you're
allowed to talk about it a little, etcetera, right?
Yeah, yeah. The other thing I wanted to talk
to you about real quick is we are Kitty corner to.

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Where I grew. Up to where you grew up man Hwy.
40. Right.
Hwy. 40, Yeah. And man, you have deep, deep
roots here. Yeah, family does you.
Know so. You know.
So actually, just so you know, Ihave deeper roots than that.
So if you go down right here on Montello, the first brick
building right there, that was my grandpa's wholesale flower

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business too. So he was flowers too.
Yeah, so, so Jay, my father and his dad had had the flower
business. So, so and that built brick
building right there on Montelo and my grandma and my grandpa on
my mom's side had the Highway 40motel.
So when we were kids, and I'm talking a little tiny kids or
four of us, we grew up in the basement of the motel.

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And so this was kind of like ourrunning around area, this little
4th St. and that's before 80 went through town.
There was no Hwy. 80 so high or the Lincoln Highway Hwy. 40,
whatever you want to call it. 4th St.
Yeah, it was the highway throughtown.
Got it. So that's how you got there to
get through the mountains, to keep going.
Yeah, if you wanted, if you wanted to go from east to West,

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you had to go on the Highway 40.It was 40.
The Lincoln Highway got it. Lincoln Highway Highway, however
they want to call. It no Hwy. 40 is cool and now
that sign is cool because I get to see it all the time down
there at the J resort. Yeah, and that's why he called
his motel the Highway 40. Yeah.
And so kind of the story when I want to say we're about 9 or 10
years old when they put the freeway, we're putting Hwy. 80

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in My Grandpa Swanson who who and my grandma Swanson, who we
were, we loved them. We had a pool there before they
covered it in. We swam right there on the
highway when we were kids. There was a little fence and
we'd sit on the fence. The cars would drive by.
But that when we grew up right there, my grandpa said to us or

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that when they're putting the freeway through, he goes, I'm
going to sell my motel. And as a kid, I remember being
devastated about it because we had grown up in the place and I
was like, oh, you can't sell themotel, grandpa.
And he goes, he told me he goes,Troy, if I don't sell this motel
now, this whole area over here is going to go to crap and I'm
not going to have any business anymore.

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So my grandpa knew what was going to happen back then
because of the freeway and, you know, cars not driving by the 40
anymore, etcetera. So he told the motel and moved
to Oregon. Oh, no way.
Him and my grandma. And so as kids, we used to go
see our grandma in Oregon and our grandpa.
Yeah. Yeah, he was.

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He's he hit it on the head cuz look at it now.
Look at it now, right? It's rough.
We're out here knocking heads every other day.
It's. Crazy.
I'm sure. And then they moved it and now
they're they just keep building it and it's like this doesn't
get any better. Yeah, and the city doesn't seem
to handle it right. Right.
Like I see that and but we'll get into that.

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Later, Well, I kind of want to talk about that because it's
something I wanted to tell you to think it's funny.
My mom is a devout, devout Democrat.
We don't really talk about politics, but I got to tell you
a funny story. To this day, she is.
Yeah, and, and, and I'm. I can't put a label on how I

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feel about things. I'm a millennial, man.
I fucking don't care who you marry.
But I also am very conservative when it comes to money.
You know what I mean? There's no box you could put me
in. But I got to tell you a story
about my mom. I told her that you had There
was rumors floating around that you might get into city
politics. I'm 95% there right now.

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So my mom is. For a county Commission, yeah,
Seat 3. Yeah, so I told my mom about
this and I've also told my mom alot of the wisdom, you know, cuz
when I first got in the club scene, when I first got in the.
Club scene vote for Republican, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. So.
So I got to tell you So when I first got into the club scene,

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of course my mom's fucking. She's a good mom.
She just thinks I'm out here fucking Sons of Anarchy and you
know what I mean? And, you know, and I and I would
come home gradually and I tell her, you know what?
You heard about the Nugget didn't go down like that.
It went down like this. And here's what Troy says about
that. And here's why Northern Nevada

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has been peaceful for the last 30 years.
And This is why this. And then I just give it and I
tell her, your little Troy Isms,you know, you got a lot of Troy
Isms. I don't know if you know it, but
you do. You know you don't, but you do.
And we all, we all, we all know them.
And then I told her literally a week ago, I said, Troy's coming
on, you know, I've got to tell you, he might be running for,

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for, for government and, and Republican, she said.
That's the only time I'd ever vote for Republican.
Right, right on. I've got to tell you that, but
you know. But I'm also, I think, I think
the reason why people want me torun is, oh, you're, I apologize
about that. They consider me to be an
outliner. Yeah.
You know, I'm, I'm kind of, I'm,I'm not political, really.

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You're not. No, you're really.
Nice. Yeah, but.
But I'll tell you why I'm a. Republican.
I really. Want to know Yeah, when I so I
graduated in 1981, Yeah. And Reagan was running.
I want I don't not sure if it was 79 or 80.
And as kids, all all the kids gravitated towards Reagan.

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We did all of us. And we were going to get into
war with Russia, you know, Reagan, Reagan was going to push
it. So as I remember as a senior,
when we were 18, we all went registered for the draft and we
all voted for Reagan. And so that's why I become a
Republican has to do with RonaldReagan.

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And we all, every kid in our school thought he was the
greatest. But you know, he was a a movie
star. You know, he had the gift of the
gab. You know, he, he had a way about
him. And I'll tell you he he was
something I really liked Reagan,you know, people say something,
shut up, like you just like the way he was so.

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That was probably one of the first times I'd ever heard a
Republican. And when like, I agree.
And it was because one of the things he talked, I don't know
if this is he talked about talking to a a little girl about
mowing the lawn. Do you know what I'm talking
about? Yeah.
And that, that speech he gave about, well, why don't you give
the bum $50.00 to come? You know what I mean?

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I was like, yes, I agree with that.
You know what I mean? And that was one of those times
it was like, that just seems common sense to me, you know
what I mean? Not that I don't have compassion
for these people out here. You know I do.
I do. Yeah.
Well, but I also know that that there's something up here and
we've and we've talked a lot about.
That you know, the the problem is you can have compassion for

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all these people, which we do. The problem is most these people
are happy where they're at and they they don't want to go
anywhere. And you know, they chase the
drugs or they chase whatever. I don't know how to say it.
You like I I've been destitute before too, but I never like
during times of my life. But I never thought I would want

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to live on the street. I always had that goal to work
harder, you know, get a job, do whatever I have to make ends
meet. More these people out.
Some of these people out here don't care.
Yeah, the, the, the times I was literally on this street
homeless, I was in rampant drug addiction and fucking did not
give a shit. And it was crazy.
The minute I got sober, I, the, the, the, it got further and

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further more. It got more and more foreign to
me that I, that I, that that wasan acceptable thing in my life.
You know what I mean? And so, so tell me, because it's
hard for me to understand, when you were like that, were you
happy running around on the streets doing drugs?
And I had I suffered from what they call a spiritual
deficiency. And that meant in our eyes,
because I'm eleven years clean and sober, in our eyes, that's

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that's the definition of addiction and alcoholism.
It has nothing to do with how much you drink or use.
It is everything to do with what's going on in here and
what's going on in here. And I just, I just, yeah, mental
health and I have a predisposition to addiction.
And you know, when I was out there doing that, it was, it

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never did occur to me this is not the way, right?
And and it, jail didn't do it for me, right?
Mental hospital stays didn't do it for me.
It it literally took almost dying to finally go fuck.
Maybe this ain't the way to live, you know?
You know, I'm not sure, but we used to have a mental hospital
where they take people. So that's where I went.

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West Hills. Yeah.
So now it's Reno Behavioral, right?
And I don't know if it's the same.
That was a private one. And that one was great.
I mean, I went there, you know, But now when they're doing 72
hour psychiatric colds, here's the problem with this.
And I know this for a fact because I go do a, a meeting.
Oh, shit. I do meetings at Reno Behavioral
Health and I do all these other ones, but I know that because

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that gets crowded so quick when we don't have the West Hills,
they're far more likely to turn away people that should be on a
72 hour psychiatric cold, right,right.
So they're they're quickly goingwell, here's an ibuprofen, you
know, get the fuck out. That's happening, you know,
since that just one. Ibuprofen.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't.
Know yeah, I don't know not too you know but they're it's

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quickly happening and it's and it's it's just no room for it
and I mean God that say what youwill about that place, but it
was a great place and it was a great resource and it was a
great tool you met with. Counselor, Right, Right.
It got me right. It's taught me a lot of tools.
It got me that means a lot, right?
It also they had meetings there,right And it got me learning
about they put it wasn't to get,it's not to get you sober.

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It's to plant a seed to go, hey,you know when you're ready.
You're ready. You're ready, you know.
Come, come, go ahead. I remember that my, my mom would
talk about when they shut down asylums.
Are you old enough to remember that?
And she said it was like a, a rapid culture change.
I I believe that's when it happened.

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Right, Right. Like it went from they, they had
some kind of a grip on people till they didn't, the 70s or
80s, I believe they shut down the asylums and they literally
just let people out and then there was no more care.
Yeah, yeah. I want to say it was late 80s.
That makes sense. I I believe that's the way it
went. You know they used to pick him

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up, take him down and try to gethim help and they don't anymore
like yeah 3 hots and a cot didn't go do it so sorry.
He. Well, I and I agree and I think
that all, all all you can do is help the people that want to be
helped. Yeah, you know, but like you
said, there's a lot of people out here that.
They don't want to, they don't want to be helped.
They're. OK with just being out.
Here, they're OK, living like living the way they live.

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And yeah, you know, a matter of fact, I've, I've met a few over
my lifetime and a few of them, they just chase their, their
habit and they're happy as can be, you know, and they're
hustlers because they got to go hustle to make that happen.
So it's not like they couldn't go get a job and make money.
They just choose not to, right? So.
So you are you. When is the next election for

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you? To be in the 2.
Years. In two years.
Right, two years from now, so. And that's Sparks.
No, that's Washoe County. Washer County got it right.
So I do live in Sparks. No, I live here in northwest
Reno. But if if you're a Washoe County
senator, yeah, you could be senator.
I apologize. Washoe County commissioner.

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Yeah, you could be in Reno or Sparks or Tahoe.
It's anywhere in Washoe County. So they have 5 districts, right?
So you have 5 commissioners and.You know you have 12345 and I
what? Exactly does a Commissioner do?
So, so in Washoe County, they vote on things like the homeless

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shelters, how they spend money, how much etcetera, which I would
do. I I I think there should be.
My only issue is I think there should be more audits of all the
money they're going out. Yeah, like right there, It's,
it's all county politics. So county, anything to do with

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county taxes, county rolls, it'severything like that, right?
Yeah. The fire departments.
Yeah. You, I don't think there's much
of making laws. I think that's more, you know,
other parts of it, but it's voting on everything county and

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so schools, you know, etcetera, what their budgets are, how much
people's housing or taxes are going to be on their housing to
pay for everything, etcetera, etcetera.
And unfortunately, I, I believe the way the board is going right
now, everyone's going to be in a, a problem with their property

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taxes because they just spend like drunk sailors, right?
Like, I mean, I, I would go to the meetings and I would stand
up because they're spending $1,000,000 on rocks.
You ever heard of the moon? Rocks, the rocks.
Yeah, that's right. So I went in and argued about it
and I, I go, hey, my, my argument was, look, I talked to
one of my friends that was a excavation person.

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He had an excavation company, you know, bulldozers, loaders,
etcetera. And I asked him, I go, I go, how
much would it cost us to put those rocks up there and paint
them? And he goes, Troy, if you could
get him to give us 75, I'll giveyou 25 and I'll keep 25 and it
would cost us 25. So he basically what they're
going to pay $1,000,000. And that was only for a, the

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moving of them or to get them. By the time that was done, they
were going to pay about 3 million to move those rocks
here. So I went in the meeting and
said, well, if you guys want rocks out there, me and my
friend will do it for 75. By the way, we'll make 50 on it.
And they are Troy, you're funny.No, I'm telling you the truth.
I'm dead serious. That's what he told me it'd
cost. And but hey, you guys.

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And they all voted to pass it all but two of them.
So three of them, right? And so those are the three to me
that they just as much as they can spend, they'll spend it.
Anyone walks in. OK, how much do you need?
So was there a particular pain point that was like fuck, this
is enough? I'd like to throw my hat in the

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ring. So besides the rocks.
Right, So what made me want to throw the hat in the ring?
Yeah, was the toy run. Let's talk about.
That Yeah. So what basically happened is
one of the commissioners named Clark under his.
So each commissioner gets $100,000 to donate to local

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charities or, you know, things that are good for our community.
And he wanted to get donate 10,000 to the Reno Toy Run
because he thought the Reno Toy Run was one of the best
charities in Northern Nevada as far as taking care of kids,
taking care of adults, really helping this community.

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He, he, he thought it was on thetop of the list.
Well, when we went there, what happened the first meeting is
there was a branded few member there and the branded few
members have the cross on their backyard on the back.
So some people call it a swastika.
They say it's a broken cross. And I believe them because 30

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years ago when I met him, they handed me a card and that's what
it says and it talks about the religion of it.
You know what I mean? So I don't know exactly what it
means, but it means 4 things, Peace, tranquil.
Like each hand means something and it's tilted different than a
swastika. And one of the members told me
back then. So let me go back and tell you

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another story first. So, so David in our charter was
he was the president and he actually owned the old Bridge
Ranch and he was Jewish and my brother Sean was raised with
him. And so my brother Sean's kind
of, he doesn't eat pork. He's, you know, where's the star
David? Because he grew up with David

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and he kind of studied that religion.
And so when, when I first saw the branded few, I went to 1 and
I said, Hey, you're going to change that patch.
And a lot of people don't know this and the city doesn't know
this. And one of the branded fews told
me they go, well, what do you mean?
I go, well, you guys are going to change that patch.
And at the time, I, I was probably a little thuggish, you

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know, if you want to say that because I physically was going
to make him change the batch. And about, I don't know, 8 hours
went by and David called me up and he's like, Troy, come to my
house. I'm like, OK, you know, so I, I
go out to his house and he starts telling me, Troy, you're
not going to make them change their patch.

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And I go, what do you mean I'm not going to make them change
their patch, David. And he's like, well, he explains
the whole thing to me and that he was Jewish and that wasn't
technically a swastika and that they're not Nazis.
And he explained the whole thingto me and ran it down to me.
And I go, oh, OK. And so the next day I went to

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the Brandon view and said, I'm sorry, you're not changing your
batch, but it was because of David, otherwise they wouldn't
have had that on today. Right, right.
Yeah, but. So.
So we go in the meeting and there's a branded few member
there and I've known the brandedfew for over 30 years, probably
40 years because I knew them prior to getting in the club
and. Righteous ones, yeah.

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Branded Few. Well, they're, they're, yeah,
they're the oldest today, but there were about 10 others got
it, about 8 of them. I had all their patches within
six months and they weren't clubs anymore.
Like, it kind of changed a little bit.
Like I said, I was a little thuggish and I was going around
and I, I thought, I thought the biker world was a little
different than what it really is.

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And, and I, I've never to this day seen him do any, you know,
they have Mexicans in their club, you know, you know what I
mean? They have Indians in their club.
They have all these nationalities in the club and
they're, they're not racist in any way.

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And so he was in there. They took a picture of his patch
and they called us Nazis. Yeah, and that was it for me.
And so that was another time I want to tell you my mom rapidly
defended you. And so my mom, again, she works
for the Washer County School District and that that's that's

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the rumor mill, right? As soon as you see the guy with
that and then it's in its contempt prior to investigation.
Right. They're all Nazis.
We see this. They're for.
They're Nazis. And so I I, I have a a black
little boy cash, my oldest son and.
I've met him. Right.
And I bring him to your clubhouse often and I bring him
to parties often. And I've got a black little

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sister, which I would totally. It's like every rumor that
anybody thinks is absolutely just contempt, part of
investigation. My son hangs out with your boy.
You know what I mean? Yeah.
Play basketball. The last time they were there,
it's. It's just not real.
And so my mom was one of the first ones to be like, that's
bullshit. And I know it's not.

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I know it's not. It was, it was bullshit and it
was, it was 2 commissioners in particular.
Yeah, kind of a third, but it was Mary Lou Garcia who would be
in my district. And then it was Alexis Hill and
Alexis Hill, man, she was bent on it.

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And so, you know, from that point on it, it became a fight
or an argument with me. Because the one thing about it
is if you're, if you're going todisparage us or call us names or
something, well, hey, we're going to fight you.
And I, I don't mean fight like physically, but I mean, we're
going to fight until this assault.
In other words, we're going to have a quorum.
We're going to, whatever the argument is, we're going to do

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it. And in this case, it was a
quorum in Washoe County. And so we would go to the Washoe
County, what do you call it, themeetings and we would argue
about it. And so I went in every every
week for weeks. And I explained to him exactly
what it was and what it was. And I even had one of the

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branded few and they did it on their own.
He's in, he's called the Indian.I don't know if you've ever met
him. Walks, he he's in a wheelchair
and he's been in that club, I want to say, for 40 years.
And he talked about how they gotthat design.
He talked about how his mother was Indian and actually had it
in baskets and they weaved it. And matter of fact, those

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baskets aren't Carson City in the museum with the swastikas on
them. But they're not swastikas.
They're bent crosses. And it was actually part of
religion before Hitler. Even was around.
Yeah. So Hitler hijacks it and changes
it a little bit. He moves it or something.
I'm not quite sure if the rest were tilted like I, I don't know

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exactly, but what it, what does he do?
He turns it the opposite way andmakes it straight or something.
And when they handed you the cards, like I said, it had four
things. Each arm of that cross, and they
call it broken cross is like love life.
Whatever it was, it meant something.
And so he went and explained that and they still said they

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were Nazis. And I was like, wow, like, this
man's an Indian because parents grew up here that were Indians.
They're original. Yeah.
People from this world. Yeah.
Where we live. Yeah.
And they're Nazis. Well, and one of the other
things is there's a, your club basically brought every part of

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culture that we kind of live by now.
And it kind of, you know, a lot of people from World War 2, from
World War 2 and, and, and like even the, the lightning bolts,
the s s bolts, right. And so I've told this story and,
and you can correct me if I'm wrong on this, but a lot of the
original Hells Angel members were soldiers that came back
from World War 2. They collected these pins off of

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Gestapos. They killed them, killed them in
opposition, quite obviously, youknow what I mean, And.
Well, listen on their best. So if if you.
So this is the way it was explained to me because the
first time I'd really seen a real Nazi flag, I was at a
member's house in California. And this was like 30 years ago.
And he had like a Do they have Rugers?

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Yeah, Rugers. Rugers knives.
PP. Walk.
Author PP. And he, he had a wall of stuff
that he had got in the war. And I was like, when I first
shot, I was like, wow, why do you have this?
You know, and even not knowing much about it, I was kind of
shocked. And he's like, see that flag
right there? He goes, I called, he said, I

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climbed a pole in the middle of the war and I took that flag
from our enemy. And he goes, and that's a
trophy. You see that gun right there?
I killed the soldier who had that gun.
See that knife right there? I got a knife fight with him and
I killed him, took his knife. See those s s bolts?
I killed that s s bolts. And they were so proud.
They were more proud of anythingelse that they killed the, the s

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s. That was the number one thing.
So it was one thing that they killed the Germans, but it was a
whole another thing they braggedabout, about killing the
actually s s because those were the elite troops, whatever you
want to call it. So.
And he, he had a whole, the whole thing of it, He had the
guns, he had everything. He goes, he goes, I brought it
all back from World War. And to tell the truth, I think a

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lot of it's worth a shit load ofmoney.
Like I think that gun he could probably sell for five, $10,000
or something like that. It's crazy, right?
So, and that, that was the firsttime I saw it.
And so, and also the club's warmfor shock value.
So they come back from the WorldWar, they were motorcycle clubs.

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And so they would actually put them on their patches, right?
And or they had, they would put a Nazi symbol and this an s s
symbol. But the reason they had him is
because they killed Nazis, right?
And it was absolute. Yeah, it was trophy and then it
was shock value to people aroundso.
And so many people don't know that.
No. And that's like, and that's

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where the motorcycle clubs come from.
They come from that World War error and they were all fighting
in the World War and our club inparticular, they were.
And the way they come up with our death head has to do with
aviation. You know, the wings were because
they flew, the skull was becausethey were flying into death and
the they had the aviator cap with the horns.

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It all has to do with flying an airplane.
And so when they came back beingthe Hells Angels fighter group,
that was it. Of course, the designs matured
since then or it's changed over the years because when they
first did it, it was kind of just someone drew it up and it
was kind of, you know, not perfect.
But then they they, you know, over years, they refined it.

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But that's where it actually comes from.
So when everyone's like, you have a death Ed.
Yeah, yeah. You know, these guys actually
flew into war. Chances of survival were, I
believe, less than 50% when theywent into war.
I don't know what it was, but the chances were they didn't
come back. And these guys did it all the
time. And when they came back, they

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rebelled. You know, they went from being
in a war, being in column, and so they started riding
motorcycles and, you know, kind of a shock value, right?
And they were tough. Yeah, they were tough dudes, so.
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So that would have put you at early 90s when the Renegade
started. 80s. That was oh, OK.
Got it. So so that it started in

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probably the beginning of 86 andI joined probably in April of
86. So when they actually started,
I'm in prison and then I get out.
Yeah. And I'm on parole.
Yeah. And I get out, I'm on parole.
And probably. So we start the Renegades and

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probably within a couple weeks of that, I'm in the parole
department all the time and they're trying to violate me.
Just for having a patch. Just for having a patch.
Not one renegade. I was the only felon in the
whole club. There was like 28 members,
right? I was the only felon and they
considered us to be a criminal organization.
And nobody else in the club had broken any laws whatsoever, not

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one person like Sean David. They were all, you know, maybe
had a misdemeanor or traffic ticket.
But hey, they considered us to be the worst of the worst just
because we started this club, right?
And so that kind of grew our notoriety too around here
because not only were we fighting with the cops, but we
were establishing what the motorcycle world was going to be

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like from that point forward in Northern Nevada, right?
Right, right, part of the thing that like I love this culture
and I love the history of this culture and it might have been
the last time ever, right, that there was a patch over right,
you know, and you guys became Hell's Angels, you know, and how
did that that just open gave youto go ahead once you guys kind

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of proved your. No, so so when when David and
Sean went there with other members that were Renegades,
they told him they had to come here and start a club if they
weren't going to move to Oakland, because to become a
Oakland Hells Angel, they had tolive in that county.
What is it? Alameda, Right.
So they had to live in that county and they weren't going to

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move to be in the club. So what they did is they came
here and they started the Renegades.
That was just something they came up with.
And maybe back then there was something that was called the
Renegades, a hockey team or something, I don't know.
OK, cool. But it was something like that,
right? And they come up with a patch
and they called the Renegades. And so we would go to Oakland

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and all the charters in California and everywhere.
And we made it known that we wanted to become members.
So at that point, you know you're on the bottom of the
shoe, right? So when you go to places they
like you, but you know, you pretty much have to clean the
toilets and take out the garbageand watch the motorcycles.
You know, you know how it is youhad you had to do all those

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things, which I enjoyed personally, I I kind of like.
That was actually some of the best times I had.
It was. You know, I had a blast doing
that. You know, even though you're on
the, the party was here and you were all on the outside of the
party and you weren't welcome in.
I got to see a lot of parking lots.
Yeah, we had a blast. And you know, people would walk
by, we'd introduce ourselves and.

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But we went around and introduced ourselves.
So because we were a new state, we had to basically prospect for
the whole United States. So we were traveling around
introducing ourselves to everybody in the United States,
every Hell's Angel, I mean, right, every charter.
And eventually, you know, year and a half down the road, 2

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years, whatever it was, they made us a prospect charter.
So we actually burned our patches, all of us.
We went in the back of the clubhouse, we started a bonfire
and we threw our patches in. Where was that at?
At the clubhouse here, yeah. So.
So you probably don't know this either.
So our where we're at right now,yeah, that wasn't our first
clubhouse. I didn't know that.

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So our first clubhouse was actually behind.
So that's Sky Terrace and then behind it's Isle of the Sky and
then it's Mccarran. There's a little St. behind it
that were we have all that property behind there.
Yeah, yeah, all the way to the corner.
Of Mccarran, our house was the house right above that, and that
was our clubhouse when we very first started.

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And Sean lived there and that was Sally Comporty's house after
she died. And so the house we have now was
Joe Comporty's house. So that was our clubhouse and
then this one, and then that onecame for sale in a bankruptcy.
And I was the treasurer and I had, even though I'd been in
prison, I had great credit. I own property.

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So, you know, I was the one who bought it.
Basically, even though it was the club who bought it, I, I was
the one who went out and bought it.
And then when I went out and bought it, I was probably in
jail within a month. So the the feds violated me for
buying a house? What you got arrested for
buying? Got arrested for legally buying
a house in a bankruptcy court with a bankruptcy judge stamping

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the paper and the prosecutor notwanting to sell to me because I
was a felon and in a motorcycle club and it was kind of a funny
hearing. So in a bankruptcy court, a
bankruptcy judge approves all the go for it or financials,
whatever you want to say it. And basically what he said, I

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went in and there were it was a closed bid.
So everyone who wanted to buy the house, you put your bid in
an envelope and you had to have,you know, your creditors all
lined up or however you're goingto buy My case.
I had a lady named Bev who was my mortgage lady and I had a pre
approved loan. So it was when I put the bid in,

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I had a pre approved loan in thething from her basically saying,
yeah, I'll close this. And, you know, 60 days.
And so I put it in my bid was 200.
I want to say the highest bid against me was 80,000.
And the prosecutor wanted to sell it to the 80,000, not sell
it to me because of who I was. And the judge basically, I, I

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was in the court, the judge basically stood up and said,
well, I'm a bankruptcy judge andmy job is to make sure the
creditors get all the money. And this is a, you know, they're
$120,000 more than the next highest bid.
That's a lot of money for creditors.
He goes, so I'm selling it to Troy and he sold it to me right

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then and there. So not only was it approved and
not only did I have my mortgage lady there and the down payment
and everything according to the,you know, laws of mortgage and
buying a house, but I got approved.
And let's say that happened, youknow, and then two months later
it was our house because we had to go through that, you know,

(42:11):
final approval of the credit part, because even though I had
approved loan, you know how those things go, they still ask
you for documents or whatever, or maybe something comes up.
Well, what about this, right, You know, whatever it is and,
you know, but but I bought it and it became our clubhouse And
but we we were still at that point the renal Renegades.

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OK. And so when we start the Cat
House poker run, yeah, we're Reno Renegades.
So it started as a Reno Renegades run, right?
Whoa. That's a like, and that's a
famous run now, right? You know.
But that's how it starts and that's because I'm running the
brothel. Got it.
So, so and that becomes our clubhouse.

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So that would have been 29 yearsago we bought that house because
it would have been in 96. Yeah.
And So what are we, 25 now? Yeah, yeah.
So 30 years we've had that house.
So then you burn your patches, you come home, and you're Hell's
Angels. No, we're prospects.
So, so, you know, we're, we're going, we have to go through the
full. So you're like a prospect

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charter? Yeah.
So kind of like how we did it. Right, got it.
So we were the Nevada, well actually we were Reno prospect
charter. We weren't nomads yet.
And So what happens basically iswe became Reno Hells Angel
prospects. And so we are running around
with the bottle rocker and a Reno tag.

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The only difference was because we were on our own charter as
prospects, we could add president, vice president,
etcetera, which which most prospects couldn't have, right,
because you're only a prospect. And so I was the treasurer.
I never knew this. Yeah, that's crazy.
That's exactly how little Chris did it.
And I didn't know where he looked.
You know what I mean? But that's.
How? Well, yeah, because they

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probably ran kind of after our rules a little bit, right, I
think. They did.
I think it was all those guys inCalifornia in here.
And then they were like, well, if you're going to start.
A charter, then they have to be.In prospect charter, right?
So it was Chris and 7 prospects run around.
With them, right. And so on top of it though, we
had to go through the club part because in the hell, if you want
to join the Hells Angels and you're from another state, you

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you actually had to be a charter, right for so many years
before they would consider you to be a club.
You know, you couldn't just put on a patch to go, hey, we're
such and such club make you prospect.
You had to earn it. So you know, we ran around with
that patch, I want to say for two years, right?
You know, I believe it was 2 years.
Yeah, yeah. And then we prospected for

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another year and a half and I want to say we hung out for
about a year and a half before like it, it took about five
years. Wow.
From shark to end, right? From Renegades to.
From the intention, yes. And going down there, yeah.
To form in a club, yeah, to becoming a prospect charter and

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then to becoming Hell's Angels. So we became Hell's Angels in
November 14th of 97 or No 9798, I think it was 98 because we
would be member of 17 years now,yeah.
Right. Wow, Troy.
So was the Coc already a thing? 27 years. 27 years.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what you.
Want to cut it short? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So the Coc, we started forming that when we were Renegades.
Wow. And so the first guy told you
about stick. Yeah.
The one that kind of had an incident with me, he he kind of
was at first going to be the chairman because I was busy

(45:42):
doing a lot. And we went to some meetings and
some meetings. And after a while I was like,
OK, you're not the chairman anymore, you guys.
Because he would just get up andramble for like an hour and I'd
be like, what are you even talking about, dude?
Like maybe you smoke too much pot.
I don't know what it drank too much.
I don't know. But he just talked about him.
Oh, you know, I'm, you know, andhe'd just go on.

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And I was like, well, this isn'twhat ACOC is supposed to be.
And so to me, the Coc was about all the biker clubs coming
together and being part of the community and kind of being a
good thing in this community. And that's kind of when I jumped
in. That's what we make it, right?
Right, and that's what it is. That's what it is it.

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Really. Is that?
It really is that, and to tell the truth, that probably keeps a
lot of the violence away. It does, right?
And, and what a profound thing because coming up, you know, it
was like it fucking turns you into a man a little bit.
It teaches you a lot, you know, because I didn't know what to

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expect. I know I wanted to ride
motorcycles with my friends. I'm grew up here in Northwest
Reno, you know what I mean? I know a lot of people, you
know, and I just wanted to ride motorcycles with my friends and
I wanted to have what something I was missing.
But I think that's inherently what people join motorcycle
clubs for. Is is a fellowship, man.
It's like you're missing something.
And definitely you have to be a man.

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Yeah, you got to be a fucking man.
You can't be a punk because if you're in a punk, you're not
going to be in the club. Yeah, and not going to last.
And that was it. And it was like it dispelled
everything. It was like, man, if you got a
fucking problem with that guy, let's go in the backyard and
fucking handle it. And then it's over and shut the
fuck up, right? God damn right.
What a simple piece of. Wisdom and so also you can't lie

(47:28):
to each other. You can't, you know, I think a
lot so. I mean, these things that people
don't know is like, yes, lying and being a being a, a stand up
man, Yeah. And is the quality of being a
even a Hell's Angel? You know, that was part of it to
me. There were like four or five
things. It was, it was a lying.
It was you have respect for likeI had a girlfriend.

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Well, so when I first came in, Ididn't have a girlfriend.
Yeah, Sarah kind of comes along.I think that we start dating
when when I'm a renegade, but probably date really going out
when I'm a prospect. She had a boyfriend.
I had other girls. I was playing the field and I
was, I was, they were sending meto jail all the time.
Like I was going back to jail. I went to jail for buying the

(48:14):
clubhouse. I was violated for that, even
though I didn't do anything wrong.
I went to jail for a Christmas card.
So I I was given three months. So what happened?
And they were all kangaroo court.
So I I was under what they called the old law federal law.
So under the it's pre 98 guidelines.

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So all my crimes happened Technically what I got violated
for happened when I was 22 yearsold.
I even though I didn't get arrested till I was in my 30s.
It was an ongoing criminal enterprise.
But what I mean not what I get violated for.
I got violated for 127 overt acts in a Ricoh account, but

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what I got convicted of was a conspiracy to sell cocaine when
I was 23 years old. They they from the time I'm a
kid until today, they have no other crime that they've ever
set I've ever been convicted of or I've been charged with
things, but I've never been convicted of that.
They said I did other than that because I was convicted by a

(49:17):
jury 11 month trial. But so when I get out, I'm first
violated for the house and a picture of David.
So David was my brother-in-law and and it's kind of a funny
story and it's actually the veryfirst cat house poker run we do.
OK. And we're at the time there was
a Easy Rider had a motorcycle shop on Kitski Lane.

(49:40):
OK. I don't know if you remember
that or I don't. They were only there for about
5-10 years. I forget.
And it was called Easy Rider and.
Like, like off the magazine. Easy.
Yeah, no shit. Yeah.
And we started our poker run at that Easy Rider on Kitski Lane.
And so we have our booth there and they take a picture of me

(50:02):
and David. The FBI does.
And it's kind of funny because Ihad this hearing and because I
was under the old law, I didn't go in front of a judge.
You went in front of what they call a magistrate.
And the guy would fly out from Chevy Chase, MD, because it was
a federal thing. And so because of who I was, I

(50:22):
didn't even get it. Have a hearing in a courtroom.
I had a hearing at the jail, like in Washer County.
They wouldn't transport me out of there like they considered me
to be, which is kind of ridiculous.
Too violent of a person to to transfer to jail.
And So what happens is I have a hearing and they have this

(50:44):
purse. I get violated for the house and
they give me seven months and they said I didn't properly
notify him about buying it. So, so the funny part about that
is when I got out of federal prison on parole, I didn't have
to notify him about my finances because I didn't owe any money.
I didn't owe child support. I had no, what do you call it?

(51:04):
Like, you know, victim money that I owed victim impact.
Like if you owe money, then thenthey're on you.
They're making sure you're paying off your debts to
society. Well, I didn't know anything.
And I actually owned a warehouse.
I had a house. Like I actually had it going on
when I went to prison. And the warehouse was worth, at

(51:27):
the time, probably $1,000,000. My house was worth a little
money. And so when they violate me, the
lady comes in and her name was Adelinda Jurius Goldstein.
And there's another name in there.
I forget what it was. And she was this little Jewish
lady. And I walk in and she puts a
piece of paper like that. And she goes, fill out this

(51:49):
piece of paper. And I look at it, it's a
financial agreement. I push it back and go, no.
And she goes, well, I'm giving you an order.
And I go, yeah, it's a bad order.
Like, you know, there's lawful orders and there's unlawful
orders. I go, look, according to my
parole condition, I don't have to fill out your piece of paper.
Therefore, I'm not, you know, and parole officers just can't

(52:11):
make shit up as they go. That's where a lot of people
don't understand about a parole officer, even though they do and
they threaten you with jail, it's up to you to tell them no
or do what they say because you're afraid to go to jail.
Well, I was never afraid of a fight, whatever the fight was,
whether it be, you know, arguingover whether I'm right or not.

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Well, then we're going to fight over this.
And so I after she pushes it back and we go back and forth a
couple times, I crumple it up, throw it in the garbage.
So I'm sorry, want to arrest me,arrest me.
So about a week goes by and theycall me back down there and sure
enough, they arrest me and they charge me with not filling out

(52:54):
the paperwork properly and buying this house.
So I do seven months, they send me to a prison and well, first
they put me in the hole here with a no bell hold and right
before they arrest me, I actually get in a fight with a
couple of cops and so I have an assault.

(53:16):
So they arrest me for the thing with the cops, but they put a
detainer on me for the house. Is that the one where you went
down the hill? No, what happens is I'm in the
breakaway and I'm renegade and the cop comes in and hits me in
the shoulder like that. And I just kind of turn around
and hit the guy and there was three or four of them and they
grab them and they're kind of like, you know, tell me

(53:39):
something. And I go, hey, man, you can't
hit me. Like who?
What do you think? Are we getting in an argument?
And so I go from there to fantasy club and I'm in fantasy
club and I have a girl in my lapand about 12 of them walk in and
they have me like surrounded in this corner and they go, hey,
can we talk to you? And I go, fuck you.
You're not my friends, you know,get out of here.

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And they go, well, we got a warrant.
I go, OK, set the girl down. And I stand up and they hit me
from every side, these 12 cops. But because they hit me from
every side, I'm just kind of standing there and they're all
like grabbing every way. And they're like, cut them, cut
them. So I put my hands behind my
back. You know, once they once they
tell me they got a warrant undermy rest, I got nothing to say.

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I'm ready to go. Yeah, let's go.
Yeah. And put my hands back.
They take me outside and I'm cuffed against the wall in the
cop. The cop that I hit runs up and
he goes, you want to fight? You want to fight.
And he's all like jumping in my face.
And I go, well, do I have to fight you with the cups on or
are you going to take them off? And the Sergeant runs in.
He's like, stop, don't ask him to fight you.
Because I was going to fight him.

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I was going to kick him right inhis chest when he was standing.
You know, I was like, yeah, I'llfight you.
You know, you're probably going to whoop my asshole, 12 of you.
But if you guys want to fight, we're going to fight.
And so they arrest me and then they come in with the federal
parole. So my, my attorneys, Larry
Wishart at the time. And Larry's a really great guy.

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He was kind of like a father to me because my father at the time
was, would be in trouble or gone.
And we didn't always get along, even though everyone thought I
was the kingpin for him. He wasn't even a kingpin
himself. You know, we were just people
who did our own thing. And so they take me.

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And so now I have a federal holdon my parole for buying the
house. And I, I think they throw
another charge in. They throw the the charge of the
picture of me and David in and they're saying that I'm hanging
out with someone in a motorcycleclub that's a felon and David,
David's not a felon. David's never been arrested, I

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think. So is so they?
Is it true they can violate you for being around you?
They can only violate you for being in a motorcycle.
Club. No, no, no, no.
They could not violate me for being in a motorcycle.
I had no condition that said I couldn't be in a motorcycle
club. So when I was sentenced, I had
nothing to do with motorcycle club.
So the judge never considered giving me any kind of conditions

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that affected a motorcycle club.So I had none of that.
The poll department decided I couldn't.
The poll department decided I couldn't hang out with the
motorcycle club. They're the one who gave me a
letter basically saying if I hung out with them, they were
going to violate me. Well, when they, and this is all
going on at the same time, when they do that, I pretty much tell
them, well, then you're going toviolate me.

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Like I'm not going to quit doingit.
You guys don't have the right totell me that and I'm not going
to quit doing what I'm doing. But you know, they're they don't
care about really doing the right thing as parole department
because the right thing should be, hey, this guy's making
money. He's not hurting anybody.
He and I was raising a kid at the time, not my kid, but

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another kid. And I had a home like I kind of
had it going on. I was probably making over
100,000 a year at the time and this 30 years ago, so I kind of
had it going on and legally making 100,000 a year through.
My work in the flower shop too. As I had a rental business, I
worked in the flower business 40hours a week, I rent a brothel

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40 hours a week, and I had a rental business.
And so they decide the way to gowith me, because I won't listen
to them, is they're going to violate me for everything I do.
So I have two violations for buying the house and for the
picture of Dave David. But they say David's Robert.
And Robert, you've met Robert. He was a Oakland Hells Angel at

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the time. And he's dating my sister
Ingrid. And so, yeah, I knew Robert and
I'd met him when I first met Robert.
I'm not saying we were 100% likeliked each other.
He might tell you, too. I was a little too cocky and a
little too smart for my own britches.
Like he might tell you some things like that.

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Yeah. So we kind of had to grow on
each other, but yeah. And he was tough.
Yeah. He brought he at that time.
He probably whipped my. Ass.
He's still fucking bit tough. Yeah, and, you know, he was an
Oakland St. kid that learned howto fight, fight in Contra Costa
County against everybody. And so he he, he came out he's,
he's a, he's a, yeah, a good one, right?

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And so they violate me and the FBI agent comes in and says it's
me and Robert Kneckel. Well, of course it's me and
David. And so I have this kangaroo
court hearing. This guy, his name was John
Lawhead. He flies in from Chevy Chase,
MD. You can't make it up.
And he he was the one sitting over.

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He was going to be the judge jury.
And so we proved that it's not Robert in the picture.
Yeah. And we proved that I legally
bought the house in this little kangaroo court with my attorney,
Larry Wishart. And he goes, I don't care, I'm
violating you anyways and givingyou seven months, pretty much
just like that. In those words.
He goes, I think you've done stuff.
We just didn't catch you and I'm.

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We're violating you. So they give me seven months.
So I'd already done some time inthe county.
And when I'm in the county, theyalways put me in the hole.
They think I'm kind of a disruptor, let's say.
And so they put me in the hole and then from there I go to
Arizona. They ship me to Arizona on

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Conair and I'm in Stafford, Arizona prison.
And so when I'm in Stafford, andby the way, I have a non
association from anything motorcycle according to the
parole department. And they'd give me papers.
I never signed them. I pretty much would RIP them up,
throw them at them and they would say, you know, they'd look

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at me like, how dare you do that?
I was like, you know, the stuff you guys are doing don't even
make sense. It's all freedom of speech.
You know, it's all protected in the Constitution.
I go, I get I'm a felon, but andI'm parole, but I still have
some rights. So they locked me up.
And The funny thing about prisons is it's the exact

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opposite. So on the street, they don't
want you to hang out with bikers.
Well, in prison. They put bikers with bikers,
they put Indians with Indians, blacks in certain club, with
blacks in certain club, blacks in certain club, you know, they
divide them up because you have your Bloods and Crips.
So they they don't get along andyou have your Notenios and your
Southerners, they don't get along.
So they separate them on the yard.

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But pretty much everyone separated according to the group
you're in. And so it's not racist because
that's how they keep the, the prison from, you know, going off
all the time. Right.
Right. Lock up certain people.
It's on. Yeah.
And so I, so I was with a Hells Angel, a a Hells Angel from
Arizona, prospect from San Diego.

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And it hang around from somewhere and I was a Reno
renegade or maybe I was a prospect by then.
Yeah, it was close. So.
So I do seven months, I'm in with these guys and my seven
months is up. Well, the funny part is when my
seven months is up, I get calledinto the the administrator and

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I'm trying to think what they'recalled.
The guy who's actually in chargeof me in the prison, he's the
head guy and he calls me in his office and I'd never been in
there the seven months I've beenin there.
And he calls me and he has a piece of paper from John Lawhead
basically saying I couldn't workat the brothels and I couldn't
hang around motorcycle clubs. And it had all these rules.

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It was like 2 pages and I have all these documents still and he
basically said I had to sign it before I got out of prison.
If I look over at the guy and I go, I go.
So I go, I got violated. I go, I get that.
I go, but I haven't done anything wrong sitting here in
prison, right? He goes, right?

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I go. So if I don't sign this, there's
not much you could do about it. I go, you can't make me sign
this under duress of getting out.
And he goes, that's true. I go, well, why don't you do
this? Why don't you tell John Lihead
to go fuck himself? I'm not signing this thing and
I'm not going to do it. And he, he looks at me and he
goes, well, no, no one's ever said anything like that before.

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And I'm like, well, yeah, you know, I'm just not going to do
something. You guys are getting these are
unlawful orders and I'm not going to do it.
It just doesn't seem right. And so he goes, well, they're
probably going to violate you. I go, well, if they're going to
violate me, they're going to violate me, but I'm going to go
home. And so under the old law, my
sentence, I had five year prison, I got out let's say

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three years. So I had two years of parole to
do on that five years. And then from there I was
supposed to do a five year special parole.
And that five year special, the way that works, you could get,
you could do three years good, you do six months bad, you start
the whole thing over and you could basically do that parole
for 20 years, you know, cuz it start over, start over, start

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over. So I get out and they give me a
bus ticket from the prison to the airport, which is in
Phoenix, right. So while I'm in the airport, I
buy a Christmas card and. And it's almost Christmas.
I want to say it's December 6th,let's say, and that's pretty

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close. Within a day.
I don't know exactly a day, but it's right there.
It could be the fifth, yeah. And I get the Christmas card and
I send it to the guys I just satin the center with, in the same
room for six months, showered together with the whole thing
that I never met until I went there, didn't know him.
If I didn't go there, never would have met him to this day

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unless I was in that prison. And I celled with these guys for
out of the seven months, probably 5 months because of the
time I did here. And so I sent him a Christmas
card and it says Merry Christmas, Happy New Year.
And then I just wrote love and respect Troy Regas, so.
They say that's you of being affiliated so they.
Violated so So what happens? And I'm in the Phoenix airport,

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by the way, I'm still under the BOP, which is Bureau of Prisons,
because until I get home, then I'm under the parole department.
But I don't think I was under the parole department.
This might have been a Friday until Monday Yeah, there's like
the little gap you have, right? Yeah.
And I'll prisoners kind of take advantage of that little two
days they can go do whatever they want before they have to

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turn themselves in other than drugs because they're going to
test you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so I come home and I'm at home.
It were on Palm Springs, when I own that home and I'm there four
or five days, six days out of prison and Bang, Bang, Bang,

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Bang, you know, on my door. So I answered the door and it's
like 25 cops. Parole department, the FB is
part of them. There's sheriffs, there's Sparks
cops, there's Reno cops. It's just like they're
everywhere. And at the time I had this son
named Ryan who I had adopted. And when I see them all, I'm

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kind of thinking to myself, where's my son?
You know, because it's about that time when he got out school
and he just went to the little school down the street and I
kind of look at him. I goes my son out here and
they're like, what do you mean you don't know where your son
is? I go well, you get S school now
and now you guys are here. So now I'm concerned about my
son. They go well.
And as I'm doing it, the crowd kind of opens and this little

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lady walks through and her name was Ada Linda Urias Goldstein.
And she told me I had to call her that every time I talked to
her. So I think I used to call her
Addy and you'd piss her off. How dare you call me that?
And I'm like, well, I'm not going to call you Ada Linda
Urias Goldstein every time I talk to you.
And she comes through the crowd and she opens this vanilla

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envelope like this, and she's shaking.
And it's a Christmas card. So I grabbed the Christmas card
out, and I look at it and I set it back down.
And she goes, did you sign that?I go, You guys know I signed
that? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I go. That's my name right there.
I go, you guys know I signed that.
She goes, well, we're violating you.

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I go, what are you violating me for?
And she goes association. And I go, wait, wait, wait.
You know, even I'm smarter than that.
I go. It's called correspondence
because anytime you mail some look it up in the dictionary,
it's called correspondence. Well, I knew that I go.
You mean because I corresponded with them.
So all these cops are there and I'm in my doorway and I'm pretty

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buff at the time because I'd been in prison and I think I was
benching about 3:50. So.
So maybe they thought I was a little mean.
Like they kind of looked at me like there's some old.
Pictures of Troy on his Facebook.
You got to. And Sean too.
Sean is Sean's still a big guy. You guys are both still big.
I'm, I'm a lot smaller now than I was then, but I was kind of
off the hook, scary looking. And I, I look at all these cops.

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I go, I go. So, so let me understand this
correctly. I go, you violate me for buying
a house. You violate me for a picture.
The guy isn't in the picture. You send me to a prison.
You lock me up in a cell with six dudes who are bikers.
I live with them, shit with them, shower with them, eat with

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them for five months, lift weights with them, and I get
out, I'm under the BOP Bureau presence till I get home, which
means I'm technically still a inmate, which means technically
I was still locked up with them other than I was being released.
And I send them a Christmas cardand you go violate me.
And she goes, yeah. And so they gave me 3 more

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months right then and there, just like that with the kangaroo
court. And I was gone just that quick.
And so at this time, I'm I'm kind of starting to date Sarah a
little bit, but she's still dating elsewhere because I'm
never home. You know, we're just kind of
meeting, but I'm kind of dating other girls.
And I remember calling her and Igo, hey, what are you doing?

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She goes, what, you in jail again?
I'm like, yeah. And she's like, well, is there
going to be a time you're not injail?
And I go, well, tell the truth, I can't tell you that.
But if they tell me something stupid, yeah, I'm going to be
back. And I think I get violated again
for 1/3 time. And all this time I'm also
appealing it. Yeah.
So I have what they call rid of mandamus.

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Rid of mandamus is what they call an extraordinary rent in
the federal system. And I'm suing them for violating
my rights. And so from the beginning, when
I get arrested and this two years of going through this, I'm
suing them and I win. And the judge pretty much slams
and says everything they did wasillegal and so now I also have

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the right to sue them. So let's say.
So they drop everything. Yeah, so, so from the time they,
when I get out in 9596, there's a couple years that they don't
violate me and then they do whatwas the third thing?
They violated me. I'll think about it.
Yeah, but so I sue them and I want to say it's in 2002 that

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they released me, but there's probably 2 years where I have no
contact with the federal parole department.
So what happens when I get out and I do get violated again?
So there's more time in there and I'll think of what I get
violated for the third time. And it's the same basic stupid
stuff where they tell me do something.
I pretty much tell them no, I'm not going to do that.

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I guess I should just turn my phone off.
So what happens is I when the RIT and when I, when the RIT, I
actually go down to the federal courthouse, which is right there
on Virginia. And I call up.

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So Adelinda isn't my pro officeranymore.
It's a guy named Chris Tirico. And he's a big kid.
And I call him up. I go, hey, are you guys all
there? And he goes, what do you mean?
I go, well, I'm going to come down there tomorrow and we're
going to have a discussion aboutwhat my rights really are and
what you guys have done wrong. And he goes, Oh no, we're not
going to do that. I go, no, we're going to do it.

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So, you know, I told my brother and my brother's like Troy, man,
can't you just calm down? I go, I go, no, man, they, they
violate me every day. They're on my ass.
They're doing stuff. I go, I'm going to go down there
and I'm going to rub it in theirface, right?
And Sean would just kind of lookat me and go, all right, OK,
I'll go with you, you know, because he was always right next

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to me. And so we, I go down there.
It's like 9 in the morning. I walk in the federal
courthouse. I'm in the the parole lobby.
It's like a room about this big.And then it has a door on each
side with a window. And it adds a little thing where
you, you know, can put papers under a thing in a glass window
so they, you know, they don't have to do with you.

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They're protected. And I go in there and there's
people sitting around and they're all supposed to be doing
drug tests and they're all sitting around and all of a
sudden the lights go off and I'mbanging on the door.
Hey, get out here. You know, nobody's coming.
They're just kind of like hidingbehind this wall.
I'm like, hey, man, we're going to have a fucking conversation.
You motherfuckers put me away. You need to get out here, right?

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Like, I'm, I'm going to explain to you what your job actually is
and what you guys do wrong, which I wanted to explain to
him. Like, you know, here, here I'm a
guy who wasn't doing anything wrong, didn't do anything wrong.
And you guys just kept locking me up and making these rules.
And that's not your job. Your job is to help people on
parole, you know, melt into the streets properly or, you know,

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what would you call it? A, you know, make it so you make
it so you go from being bad to being good.
And they were doing the opposite.
They were making rules that werejust making me worse.
So they never came to the door. About half hour goes by.
Everyone's in this room going, well, what are we going to do?
I go, well, you guys might as well leave.
They're not going to come out here.
And all these guys having to do drug tests.

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They start leaving. There's like 10 of them.
They start exiting and I stay there for probably an hour and a
half. Finally, Chris comes to the
window and he opens it about that much, and he goes, we're
not allowed to talk to you anymore.
We're not allowed to have a conversation with you.
We're not allowed to do anythingat work.
You're going to sue us. So we don't know how we're going

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to do this, but you need to leave and don't come back.
How's the end of that? Well, I was still on parole.
That's crazy. I was still on parole.
But they wouldn't talk to you. Oh no, at this point they they
didn't want anything to do with me.
But there is a couple incidents before this happens before I win
this. Like the sign on the clubhouse
you ever hear of? That story?
No, no, no. So.

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The one on the like on the side that you see from the road,
Yeah, Yeah, OK. So when we become Hell's Angels?
That's I got to tell you, probably my earliest memory is a
child. I've been talking four years
old. Five years old.
See that sign on the wall? Well, that's one of those.
That was born in 90. 2 that's one of the most famous.
Even in the newspaper in Reno, they consider that house to be

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one of the most famous house. And you could go back.
There's an article, they say it's the one landmark in Reno,
that everyone in Reno will tell you where it's at.
Yeah, where they can't tell you where everything is.
They'll tell you where the HellsAngel Clubhouse.
If you're a local, yeah, yeah. Like, you could come in from out
of town, you could be in north Reno, and they'd say, yeah, the
Hells Angel Clubhouse is over there, Yeah.
Right. Right.

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It's it's that known. It's that, yeah.
So. All of us.
In like the neighborhood, it's almost like the Goonies house.
You'd like see it and you're like.
Don't go over there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think I remember asking my mom.
And my mom. So, yeah.
So even though that house at thetime was in my name, even though
technically I had to deal with club and I didn't own it, Yeah,

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the reason why we didn't transfer it right to the club
right then was because of all this stuff going on.
You know, even our attorneys were like, hey, Troy, just sign
the paperwork, keep it sites. We're going to keep it
undercover. And we're just going to kind of
because this house is something they're trying to violate you
for over and over again. Well, what happens is I'm not

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allowed around there. And we become actually, I'm on
home arrest. I get out of jail and I'm on
home arrest and we become Hell'sAngels.
We get voted in as Hell's Angels, and my brother actually
calls me from Oakland and he goes, He goes, hey, man, there's
only at this time we. When we started, we had 30
members. When we get to be prospects and

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members, we're down to six. Wow.
The rest of them, you know, justdidn't make it right.
Got beat up. Something happened too much.
Scared. Yeah.
Got scared. All kinds of things, right.
It was cool until things got serious.
You gotta. Do manshit.
And so my brother said to me, hegoes, well maybe you need to cut
off that bracelet and come down here so they can see we have 6

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people. And so I'm ready to cut off my
bracelet and go down to Oakland just so we could become members.
And right before I do it, he calls me on the phone.
He goes, no, we got voted in. He goes.
You don't have to cut your bracelet off.
Right. And so, so I don't cut my
bracelets, bracelet off and go down to Oakland.
So now we're members. So what they do, as soon as that

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happens, they all come home. And you know, now they have
Hell's Angel, they can put anything up they want.
Hell's Angel. They have all the intellectual
rights to put on anything they want that way.
And autonomy, yeah, right. That's when you officially.
And your own autonomy, Yeah, we're our own charter.
Nobody could tell us what to do.And so they come home and
there's going to be a run calledthe Redwood Run that Oakland's

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putting on that's like a N run. And all the charters from the
West Coast are going. It's a big deal.
Yeah, right. There's 500 members there.
Yeah. And and this is 30 years ago, 27
years ago in November, Right. So David, you know, David's kind

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of always extravagant. He's good going.
So he has that sign made by an ex branded few member.
Wow. And what happens is they roll it
out at the clubhouse on the ground, you know, there's over
an acre and a half there and they roll it out, but they
really can't get a view of the sign because it's laying flat on

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the ground, you know what I mean?
So they decide, well, because what they're actually their idea
of making the sign when they go to the redwoods, they're going
to put it between 2 trees. So everyone knows that Nevada
Hells Angels are here, Reno Hells Angels, like they wanted
everyone to know, hey, we're here, you know, And so they make
this sign and they have no, you know, they can't tell what the

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sign looks like on the ground laid out.
So they decide just to put it onthe side of the house and hang
it. And within an hour of them doing
that, the sheriff's come out with the city, with the county,
because that house is in the county.
And they red tag it, basically saying you can't have that sign
on, you know, with a official red tag.
Oh. Like an illegal sign, right?

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God, that's bullshit. They red tag it and so David and
them I'm not allowed there. David and them pretty much get
this red tag and at their time, at that time I think their
attorney was Arnie Brock and mine's Larry Wishart.
And so they call Arnie Brock andthey they get a hearing date and

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sparks and within a month they go to court and Arnie Brock
walks in and he just says, hey, this is First Amendment period.
They don't have no HOA, it's a private property, blah, blah,
blah. And the government gets up and
they talk or the county or the city or county gets up and they
talk and talk for like 20 minutes, I'm told.

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And the judge looks over at Arnie and he goes, what do you
say? He goes, I've already said it.
It's First Amendment. There's you can't get past that.
And the judge goes, yeah, First Amendment.
Wow. Any rules?
The sign goes up, so the red taggoes away.
Well, the next day I get a call from the parole department.
And this is before I win the parole case.

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And I'll, I'll show you this letter.
It's 2 pages. And it basically says that I'm
going to take that sign off the building.
So what happens is I'm supposed to go down the parole
department. I get a call to go to the parole
department. You know, when they got these
calls, a lot of times, you know,I wouldn't take my wallet, I
wouldn't take my phone because Iknew I was going to jail

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whenever they called me down forwhatever it was, they were going
to send me in jail whether I didsomething wrong or not.
So me and my brother go in and sure enough, here's the guy from
Chevy Chase, MD, John Lawhead, and he's, he's got 2 parole
officers with Marshalls behind him because under the federal
system, you have these Marshalls.

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And so I walk in, sit down, and Sean sits next to me and the guy
pretty much tells me how I'm going to go take the sign down
and, and if I don't do it, let'ssay this happens on a Wednesday.
If I don't do it by Saturday at 12, I'm going to jail.
If they're going to lock me up again, put me in prison.
And so I pretty much tell them I'm not going to do it and I

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leave, right? And I'm heading out to the
brothel. I'm on my motorcycle.
I'm racing out there. And I would put my phone in my
helmet like this. And as I'm going, I probably get
to from where the downtown building is.
I get to, let's say, the freewayon 80, heading out to Mustang,
and my phone rings and I hit my button and it's my attorney,

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Larry Wishart. And he goes, Troy, you're going
to come to my office right now. And I'm like, no, I'm not.
I'm heading to the brothel. He goes, Troy, I never ask you
for anything. You're going to come to my
office right now. I go, OK, Larry, you know, he's
like a dab to me. I turn around on my motorcycle
and I go to his office and I sitdown and he goes, you know
they're going to violate you. I go, yeah, he goes because they

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call him, you know, he's my attorney.
And they go, you know, they're going to violate you for this
sign. They gave you the salary to take
it down. And he runs it all down to me
and I go, well, Larry, the sign ain't going to come down.
They already won the right to keep it up.
I'm, I'm like, they went to court.
It's a First Amendment issue. And now so the, the feds and the

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cops didn't get their way. So they're going to throw me in
prison basically. I'm going to be their, their
scapegoat or whatever. And if I don't do it, the sign.
So just to tell you, that sign was never meant to be on that
house. Yeah, never.
But now it is. If you look at it, it's still a
canvas sign on the side of the house.
Yeah, it's hanging on the side of the house.

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The only reason that sign's theirs because of them.
So if they wouldn't have red tacked it, the sign would have
went to redwoods and it would have been somewhere else and it
would have been everywhere except for the side side of this
house. But because of the point, the
sign never left the house. And so he tells me he goes,
well, he goes, I have an idea. Here he goes.

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You know, the club has a lease on this house and which they
did, they had a lease to own on the House, which I had signed
with them. But the feds never saw the lease
because we never showed it to him.
We didn't want them to know whatwe had going on because they
probably would have tried to violate me for that for signing
a lease with other members that I wasn't allowed around.

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Like it goes on and on. So he tells me he goes, well,
what I'm going to do. So I'm going to call up the
parole department. I'm going to tell him write us a
letter and I'm going to give that letter.
I'm going to tell him I'm going to give it to their attorney,
which is Arnie Brock, and I'm going to ask Arnie Brock to have
the members take the sign down. So you're not involved.

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You don't have to go on the property.
So they write this letter and itbasically says that they're
lifting the non association fromme going to this house, This
house, by the way, that I've been in jail for.
That technically is in my name. I'm not allowed out and if I'm
within 500 feet of it, I'm goingto jail.
That's pretty much what they said.
OK, That's what I go to jail for.

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It was a sign. Well, no, no, no.
Before that my brother goes to the house.
And so we're backing up in time,probably four or five months.
My brother goes to the house in my truck and the FBI at midnight
on a February in tinted windows,they identify me as being in the

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truck at the clubhouse. So they violate me for that.
And it's actually Sean. So that was the third one.
Yeah. And the FBI actually comes in
and says, yeah, we identified him even though it wasn't me,
right? Like the guy just lied.
He they knew it wasn't me. Everything, every one of these
hearings, they lied. This is the bad part about cops,

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you know, and I'm for cops. Just so you know, I'm not anti
cop. I'm I'm actually believe they
have a job to do and they shoulddo it.
But I also know that they'll, you know, go pass the law to do
whatever they're doing. So, and in my case, that's all
they did. So they send the letter to Arnie

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Brock. Arnie Brock sends the letter to
all the members in the house basically saying if I don't take
this sign down, I'm going to prison.
So now let's say it's Thursday night and I get a call from
David and something. They go, hey, we're out here in
Pyramid Highway in my motorhome.Yeah, you know, so I would go

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see, so we, I could, I would go to the motorhome and ride with
them. And we actually had church in
this motorhome like 30 miles outPyramid because I wasn't allowed
around him. And if I was around around him,
I'd be violated. So we're in this motorhome and
there's like at the time maybe 8guys and they go, man, you're
going to go to jail again, aren't you?

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And I'm like, yeah, it looks like it, you know.
And they go, well, how do you want us to vote?
And I go, well, you're not taking the sign down.
Yeah. So however you guys vote, you
vote. So if I have to go to jail, I'm
going to jail. That's just the way it is.
And so they vote right there andnot take the sign down and I
know it. So I go home to my house and I

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think I'm hanging out and I think I called my attorney and
said, hey, I'm going to jail. And he goes, OK, And so Arnie
calls my attorney the next day to make it all official.
And he says, well, they voted no, they're not going to take
the sign down. Eight knows basically that

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they're not going to do it. So my attorney calls them up,
basically says, hey, they're notgoing to do it.
Their attorney said this is the only time they didn't violate
me, the only time they did not send me to jail over it because
they knew once again, that and they were on the wrong side of
this. And then shortly thereafter, I

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win this case. But I do want to throw in one
other little thing. So when I originally sit next to
this John Lawhead and he puts this paper in front of me, and
Sean will tell you this, Sean, Sean would just sit next to me
and go like this. Well, yeah, he's just like, do
what they want, man. My brother's not going to back

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down on anything, right? And I wouldn't.
And I go, well, let me explain it to you kind of this way.
And John Lawn had sitting there.I go, I have this warehouse over
on Greg St. that I own and I go,we have this District Attorney
named Gammick. And I go, he's a piece of shit,
right? And I'm talking to the cops.
And when I say it, they look at me like you can see all their

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eyes just get really big. I go, I go, you know, I go one
day, I go to my warehouse and one of my tenants has assigned
Reelect Gamut and the guy's a piece of shit.
I go. But, you know, I think about, at
first I think, well, he should take that sign off the property
because I own it. But then I think about it, he
has a lease. He has a legal right to put it

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there. There's nothing I could do.
So I let it go. And they're just looking at me
like, how dare you talk about him?
I go, yeah, you know, that fucking piece of shit.
I'm going on and on and they're just looking at me and I go, So,
you know, I don't take the sign down.
I go. Isn't this kind of the same
thing? Yeah, And you could just see
him, like, boiling, right? This Sean Lawhead, I don't think

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anyone had ever said him. No.
He was like 55 or like $1000. Suit had perfect everything, you
know, And you could just see hisears just, like, go red and,
like, start to wiggle a little bit.
I was like, I go, OK, I'll see you.
And I laughed and. That brings a really important
point, because I don't have to fucking agree with half of the
things that people say, you knowwhat I mean?

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Yeah. But goddamn it is it's great
that they have the right to fucking say it, right, You know,
because I think about clubs and other countries that you can't
wear a patch now. But they have freedom.
They don't really they. Don't have freedom?
You can't wear your fucking patch if.
You can't be yourself, then you don't have freedom, I think.
Freedom of expression, it's probably the number one

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constitutional law we have in this world.
And it's just like all these rioters and all these people,
like, I don't believe you can riot, but I do believe you have
the right to protest. You know, as long as you're not
tearing up someone's property. I do believe they have the right
to express themselves. And, you know, if they're gay, I
believe they have the right to be gay.
I just don't think they should be naked in front of children.
You know, I mean, I think there are some things that's happened

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in there, right, but. Yeah.
One of the first things I did asa prospect I had made, I was
still prospecting out of Sacramento, and we had the riots
downtown and we didn't go down there in opposition to fucking
anything. No.
And that's what's so funny is because there was so many news
articles about us. Yeah.
And there was taking pictures ofus.

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Yeah. They thought we were against
Black Lives Matter. We had black people that were in
black clubs that agreed with them, you know what I mean?
And there was like, there was black clubs that were with us
that. Well, we had every nationality
club there. Everybody there and half of the
people in this agreed that maybethat they're that they agreed
with what what they were protesting.
You know, we were down there because we had.

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Friends, businesses destroy our property.
Down there that we support. And I had that conversation with
the girl from Black Lives Matterand I liked her.
I thought she was a really nice girl.
The only the only disagreement we had was what she called her
voice. And her voice was, well, that's
how we get our voice out by tearing stuff out.

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And I go, well, that's not how how voice works.
I go, I go. The way your voice works is you
take all those people and you goin that building right across
there. They all have 3 minutes and then
you have 1000 people, 1000 of you stood up and talked for
three minutes. What do you think that City
Council would think? Well, they don't listen to us.
Well, they don't listen to us either.
But that's what we do. That's how we do it.

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We, we don't go destroy someone's property in order to
get a voice out there. And that was our only
difference. And then, of course, when me and
her were talking, you could see the actual Antifa members across
the, the way and they were all the way on the other side
wearing black, black masks, black hats, black backpacks,
black shoes. And I pointed at them, and I

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told the member, and she saw me.You could see someone run off
and go talk to them. And two minutes later, they're
gone. I go watch them.
I go. They're the ones we need to
watch. Because I told her I go.
Look, we were right there in front of Antique Angel.
Yeah. I don't know if you guys know
her, but she's been marrying people there for 50 years.
She lives, right? There oldest wedding shop.

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She has windows going all the, they smashed all her windows
before that and the reason we actually end up going down there
is because of her, because what happens?
Right in front of there. I go to deliver her some flowers
after it happened and she was inthis room crying.
That building is also very fit. Marilyn Monroe shot a movie
right right there. And she was telling me how

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they're coming back to smash herplace again.
And she was scared. And I go, well, I'm not going to
let that happen. And that's how that whole thing
started. We were going to let him destroy
our friend's property, right? And so when we lined up, we
started in front of her place and we went all the way down.
But we, we had a crowd. And tell you what they didn't
write they. No, they didn't, you know, and
we were not there in opposition.We no it's it's and I 100% agree

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with their right to vote. You know, I told her.
You guys, hey, what you're doingthere?
Great. You should you know.
We might not agree with everything you say, but yeah, I
agree. I have that same right.
You have the same right. Everyone has the same right.
You can wear what you want. You can be who you want.
You can do what you want. You just can't destroy our
friend's property. That's what it came down to.
Yeah. And what gets me about that

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whole thing is the city. She be the mayor and the police
should have been on that same point.
They should have been like, hey,look, you guys could do all
this. Instead, they're like, Oh no,
just let them turn apart. Let them go.
They were. So everybody's worried about,
yeah, getting fired. And yeah, I mean, police
departments are getting rolled up.
But hey, you guys got a job. You guys got a job to protect

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these people. You should fucking be protecting
them for sure. Yeah.
Yeah. And and yeah, I, I agree that
they have a right and I agree. And, and I think that I think
what's funny is there's so many misconceptions about being a
biker and being a motorcycle club.
And really what you've taught uscoming up is it it's so simple.

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It's like being an integral human being, which you don't
those things don't see seem synonymous.
You know is integral in biker but that's so fucked.
That's what it. Is it's like we need to be
honest side of things. To do for sure be honest, be a
fucking man. If somebody calls you a bitch,

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fucking hit them. Like if, if that is what a biker
means and that's what you are. And that's what A1 percenter is
man. There's a lot more 1 percenters
out there that don't know that they are 1.
You know what I mean? It's like, you know where do
you're not going to you shut thefuck up.
Hit a guy if he calls you a bitch.
Don't lie. Don't fucking steal.
Yeah, don't let someone disrespect you.
Everyone should have respect foreverybody.

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We have respect for everybody. They should have the same
respect for us. And that's not the way the world
is, believe it or not. You go in a bar and someone
thinks they're tough, I'm going to fight themselves, Angel.
I'm going to disrespect them. Yeah, well, you're going to get
in a fight for sure. And then of course, they're
going to tell the cops. And we started it and we hit
them. And, you know, we're the ones
who go to jail. They aren't.
Yeah. Even though they're they're the

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piece of shit that started the whole fight.
The whole thing, because everybody wants to say that they
did it. Yeah.
Yeah, I hear you. Want to talk about the toy run
briefly with you. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
So the toy run didn't start too long after.
But before we get started on that, I just want to say anybody
that's listening, I've grown up in this community my whole life.

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So I've seen every kind of toy run that we have in this town.
And I won't name any other ones,but I know for a fact that
there's toy organizations in Christmas time that are not
doing what they're advertising. Let's just exactly, you know,
and. People make a little too much
money. And they're making too much

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money and. Toys don't go where they should
go for sure. And, and the first year I did
it, I, I was still hanging around and I was doing it.
And Troy, we started the conference, we started talking
about toy running, doing. I was getting all these
sponsors. We talked about getting money.
We talked about all this. And by the end of it, we had no

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fucking money. Yeah, nobody made any money.
And I and I am friends with a member of your club and I, I
seen him hand delivering fuckingtoys to kids after long after
the toy run was done and they're.
Still needing their people calling us, you know.

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They're really going to people'shouse saying that they that
these kids need fucking presents.
And then he fucking literally just went there and got these
kids presents. Like that's another level of
like. And so after that, you know, I
was sold forever, you know, and I've gotten.
Yeah, 100% of the money goes exactly where it goes.
Not to us, right? You know, nobody prompts us.
So. So let me tell you a story about

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Toy Run. Yeah, so in 96.
Yeah. So.
So the Toy Run was already gone,right, Right, right.
These two gentlemen run it. One was called Steelhead and
one, they were old bikers and, you know, they were on real guys
who had things going on. Well, anyways, I went to the Toy
Run the first time, I think it was 86, and I was watching these

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two guys put up as they would collect money from it.
They were stuffing in their pockets.
And I was sitting over there thinking, wow, like that's how
it would a toy run in someone profiting off of it, right?
I watched him and watched him and how bad it was organized and
how how they didn't have anything really going on other
than at the end you got a meal and they would give you a pen.

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So I walked up to their table and they were sitting there, two
of them, and they're on real bikers.
And I think they were a little afraid of me because at the time
I kind of had a reputation. And I walked up and maybe I
looked a little mean. And I go, I go.
So like, what do you guys do when you put this on?
I go, do you advertise? No.
I go. Do you do you give the money

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away for donations? No.
You stick all this money in yourpocket, huh?
Well, you know, above cost. I go.
Really. I go.
Isn't it a toy run? Don't you think that at the end
of the day, everything should goto, like, the kids or something?
Isn't this like. And he kind of looked at me.
No. And so I had a prospect.
There I go. Hey, go get me a garbage bag,

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right? And he goes and gets me a
garbage bag. I walk over to their table, they
have a table about like that. And I take all the stuff and I
put it in this garbage bag and Igo, well, you guys aren't doing
the toy run anymore. And they go, what do you mean
we're not doing? I go, well, you want to talk to
me about it? We could go somewhere and talk
about it. And they go, no, we don't want,
we know about you. We don't want to talk to you.

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And I go, OK, well you're not doing the toy run anymore.
You're welcome to be on it. I go, but we're going to put
this on so it's proper. And that's how we take over the
toy run pretty much. I kind of went in and thugged it
a little bit, but I did it for the right purposes, right?
Fucking reason, right? And then the next year we held

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it proper. We got the whole COC involved.
At the time, I was the chair of the Coc and you know, a lot of
people were like, oh, this should be a Hells Angel that,
you know, the Hells Angel shoulddo it.
And I go, no, I don't think there should be a Hell's Angel
event. I think there should be a
community event. So I think it should be the Co
CS toy run because we're the community.
And from there on, we put on thetoy run and we've made sure that

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all the money's been donated. We've made sure that all the
toys go to kids that need toys, not with people with money that
are too lazy to go buy toys. So they want our toys.
Like we really took it and we flipped it on its end.
And today it's grown to be this massive thing where we donate
100,000 to local charities. We're A5O1C3, we're distributing

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thousands of toys. We could fill a room like this
with toys, right? That's right.
And this is pretty big room. And we take care of all these
families and we do a really goodjob, right?
So since 86, I've put on the toyrun with the Coc and we've just
organized and organized. So did you ever hear the story
about the cops trying to steal it from us?

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No. So, so the next year we put it
on and it was a pretty good event.
We had, I want to say we had about it went from maybe 150
bikes to about 1200 bikes because we advertised it.
We got the COC involved. So we have the whole biker
community involved and we put iton one year.
And then we're at the Elks Lodgeand I told him I go, OK, we're

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going to do this toy run again next year.
Well, it got to be about four months before or three months
before the toy run. And the guy at the Elks calls me
up and he goes, He goes, hey, the cops have rented this place
to do the toy run on the same day of.
Course they did. Right.
And I was like, oh, so they're good gangster from me, right?
And I forget the cop, but he wasa Blue Knight and I want to say

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he was a Highway Patrol. And I'll think of it.
I'm friends with them today wasn't too friendly with them
then and I called them up. I go, what do you guys think
you're doing? And they go, we're going to put
on this toy run from now on. It'd be better if we did it.
And I go, well, that's not happening.
And so we, I went to the Coci go.
We're going to pre sell tickets for this toy run.

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That's where the pre sell tickets came in and we pre sold
about 900 tickets like within a month.
Wow. Right then, so this is about 3
months out. So let's say 90 days out, 30
days out. We pre sold like 900 tickets and
the cop, he had bought the pins and he had bought something

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else. He spent about 1800 maybe $2500.
And so he called me up and he goes well obviously we're not
going to sell any tickets. He goes, you got you guys
obviously took that away. I go, yeah, he goes so maybe
we'll make a deal and you could buy the pins I bought and this
and that. I go, well maybe I go, we'll

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see. I go because we bought pins too,
so I don't know that we need your pins, but maybe we could
sell them and we'll see. So the day of the event we were,
and by the way, Bob Cashell was the mayor and we were starting
it at the Alamo and Bob Cashell was there and he was riding in
our parade. Well, when we get there, all

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these cops are lined up and theydecide that they're going to
ride in front of this parade. So I think it was me and a
Lieutenant. We're out kind of in the middle
of the road. And I tell them I go look.
You guys are riding in front of us.
I don't know what you guys think, but you guys know that we
ride in front. Everyone rides.
You're welcome to get the back of the pack.

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All of you. I go, but none of you.
And this is the Blue Knights. And the guy kind of argues with
me. I go, well, we could get it on
right now, me and you. Let's get it on in front of
everyone. He looks at me and he looks at
all the people behind me, and helooks at all the cops on the
other side. And he goes, yeah, you're right,
it's your toy run. And each they all turn around
and they walk away. All the cops, there's probably

(01:40:38):
30 or 40 of them there. But they knew I was someone not
to be messed with. Like I had no problem hitting
the cop right then and there because to me it was kind of
like a push or shove thing. So, you know, some laws need to
be broken, that thing. Well, that was one of them.
We were going to break some lawsright then and there because

(01:41:00):
what they were doing was wrong. We had this thing going so, so
we let the toy run and they never bothered to skin.
But anyways, he had all his pinsand everything.
He came over and gave them to meand he goes, hey, and he gave me
the receipts for him. And when he gave it to me all I,
I put it in my pocket and I tookall the stuff and I had a

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prospect take it away. I go, I go by the way, I go,
just so you know, I'm going to spank your wallet right now.
I go. I'm not going to give you a
fucking penny. I go, you're not getting
anything out of us and that's going to be your lesson learned.
I go since I didn't get the chance to whoop your ass right
here because I did want to whoophis ass.
I go I'm going to spank your wallet and I I never paid him

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for one thing and we took everything he had.
Wow. And all the cops sat there and
watched it, and there's nothing they could do about it, right?
Yeah. And I go.
That's your lesson. It's been pretty peaceful the
last 23 years, except for some usually things here and there,
but you know what I mean? But peaceful?
Yeah, it's been a very. Peaceful event.
Peaceful event and it has benefited the community.
Greatly and we do a great job onit.

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It's a biker thing. It's not a cop thing.
Never should have been a cop thing, right, should always be a
biker thing. And that's what it is and that's
what it's going to remain. And it's not like my my charter
actually owns the rights to the Reno toy rent.
And what we do every year for a very cheap we resell it to the

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OR or sublease it to the Reno toy Run.
And we do that just to make sureit always stays that way.
I got to tell you there was thisone time I was at AI was at a
meeting and you know, I go to, Igo to probably 3 meetings a
week, right? And I can and I meet every kind
of I, I meet literally the richest, most famous people from
this town are sober. And the lowest of the low,

(01:42:46):
broken homeless. It's literally that this disease
effects everybody, Everybody, you know, Unanimous.
Yeah. And you know, this one time I
met this single mom fresh off the street, literally living in
a car with her kids. They're just trying to get
clean, you know what I mean? And this would have been, I got

(01:43:09):
sober in 2014. This would have been 2015.
And this is before I even had a motorcycle.
I got I got into motorcycles because I got sober, believe it
or not. And you know, she shared at a
meeting that she was devastated.She couldn't have she couldn't
get presents for her kids and she was sober.

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She was about a year sober, couldn't lock down a job and
just couldn't get out of the car, saving money, whatever.
And there was another guy in another club who's sober, heard
about this and save this woman'sChristmas, Sure, and.
Went and brought her whatever. She needed yeah, like it was
nothing Yeah, just like and literally got hurt.

(01:43:55):
Her kids absolutely taken care of it it literally it fucking.
And that's that's what we've been doing for 28 years.
Didn't ask for nothing, right and it's also a foreign concept
to me too, right. It's like coming off the street.
It was like, what do these people want from me?
They didn't want nothing, nothing, nothing.
It was crazy and she just and now that woman is a a business

(01:44:17):
owner here in town. She is a makes more money than
me, man. She's great, you know, and just
and talks about this often when it comes to the true We don't
need to tell you who we are, right?
We're gonna fucking show you who?
We're gonna show you. Right and.

(01:44:38):
Lead by example. Exactly.
So we don't talk about it, we just do it right, you know, And
if anybody ever has any judgement about anything, cuz
you know what, there's bad eggs among us, man.
There's nut jobs among us just like any fucking group.
Yeah, nobody. We're not organized to believe
it or not, you know, President just means you have a job.

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It doesn't mean you're the shot caller, you know?
And you know, fucking, you know,the ask that Lady what we did
for her back in 2015. Sure.
And. And there's a lot of people like
that out there. And sometimes you're just down
on your luck, right? It's happened to me before.
It's happened to everyone, right?
And if you tell me you've never been down on your luck, and I'm
not talking about in prison, that never bothered me, right.

(01:45:21):
But I'm talking about I've been in situations where I lost
things and was down on my luck and kind of living.
Yeah, not a good way, right? But hey, you got to pull
yourself up and keep going. That's it, Troy, man.
And and yeah, I got into motorcycles because I had a
fixation that I needed to quench, you know what I mean?
I didn't. I just fucking.

(01:45:42):
I had nothing to do and I neededto keep my hands and my brain
busy and it's old timer. Motorcycles are great for that,
right? Go for a ride and you don't
have. Any fucking money.
You know what? I.
Mean, yeah, but, but I mean, youcould, you could be in the
shittiest mood. I've never just shit happening.
You go for a ride and you're like, oh, that was great.
I've never, Right. I can never frown on my
motorcycle. No, You know what I mean?

(01:46:04):
Yeah. And I and, you know, just being
around him, you know, and just just looking at him and like,
it's just fucking. And we have so much history
here. But yeah, it got me into it.
And this old timer, he was, his name was Mac, and he's still
around. And Mac got me into bikes and he
said, you know, I got this Sportster.
And then they all gave me a hardtime about riding a fucking

(01:46:26):
Sportster. And then I got a fucking new
bike. And then I got another bike and
I got another bike. And I just started building them
and learned about Mondo and learned about all these other
guys. And it introduced me into a life
where the best part about being in a motorcycle club to me is
I've got a group of men around me if I relapse tomorrow.
Yeah, they'll help you. They're not only help you, but

(01:46:46):
they'll and they will mold. Associations.
The whole thing, right? They probably whip me out, whip
my. Ass, you know, I don't think
people realize that about motorcycle clubs.
Like we've had members get a little out there on chip Yeah.
And believe it or not, we pull them in and straighten them out
and we we give them we've done this many times in our charter.
We're giving you non associationfrom that drug.

(01:47:07):
Yeah. And that basically means you
don't do that drug anymore no matter what.
And they live by it and they come out of it and they're not
fucked up anymore and you know and it's a good thing and we're
brothers so we help our brothers, right?
That's a big thing. Yeah, that is, it means a lot,
right? You're right.
You're right. Yeah, that's that's and that's

(01:47:28):
real. And that's also something that
probably people don't understand.
You know, it's like we you're noused to you're not, you're not.
You can't be a brother when you're only worried about you,
right. You know what I mean?
So you're you know, if you're ifyou're deep in in in addiction,
man. That's why this place was this
being in a club, being in motorcycles, it only it only
improved my life. Yeah, you know.
And you're all, you're all equal, right?

(01:47:49):
Right. Nobody's above any.
Nobody's above, and that's another common misconception is
because there, I'm sure there ismotorcycle clubs that yeah, you
got a shock caller. Yeah, you got that national guy
got. The national shit, you know, and
it was like. I could never live like that.
Yes. And it's like, like, no, I'm the
biggest servant to my guys, right?
I'm just, you know, I just fucking.

(01:48:10):
I'm just a servant. And nobody runs a show.
Nobody's doing shit together, you know what I mean?
It's just like, you know? So a lot of people think I'm a
shot caller, right? Believe it or not, when I get in
my room, man, they, they tear meapart.
I hear that's why you did this on the radio.
We don't like it. You.
Know it goes on, yeah. But hey, that's, that's what
brothers are about. Or hey, you did this wrong or

(01:48:33):
you should have done this. You know, I hear it all the time
and I love that. I love being corrected.
I have no issue with it whatsoever.
Right. Yeah, because it's just you're
an honest, integral person. It's your brothers.
That's your, Yeah. And I've been told and I, and
that's the other thing I learnedis if I've got a group of dudes
that I absolutely love telling me I'm wrong.
Yeah, yes, I'm probably fucking wrong, You know what I mean?

(01:48:56):
And that's, and that's a humbling thing, you know, cuz I
think I know what I'm doing. But really, it's just yeah.
They see something bad in it andthey're probably right about it
cuz they have, you know, many minds compared to your one
right? I've always said 5 minds
together is better than one and.We are, yeah.
It's a group conscious and the group conscious thing is so is

(01:49:18):
important to me. You know, and it and you've
probably seen fuck hundreds of clubs come and go from Northern
Nevada. At least over 100.
Yeah, and I, and I've seen lots in just the few years I've been
around and man, that the common theme amongst them those clubs
is that there's one guy who thinks it's his will over

(01:49:40):
everyone else. Yeah.
He's running it, yeah. Yeah, and the ones that the ones
that I love and respect you for sure, and the ones that I love
and respect that are around thatif stood the test of time is a
group conscious kind of thing, man.
And it's dudes that are integraland it's dudes that fucking will
call you on your shit. And it's and it's dudes that
it's always the club above the the individual.

(01:50:00):
And you know, those are all things that I think that that at
least we've tried to live by in this club with your guidance.
And when we were coming, we listened to what you said.
You said, hey, if you want to make this club work, you do
this. And that's what we fucking did.
And it worked. You know, and that's the thing,
like, you know, when I first came around, everyone said,
well, Sonny tells you to do you all do it.
And I was like, no, it's not theway it works.

(01:50:22):
You know, I've been in OMS wherehe came up with something.
We're all like fuck you, you know, not saying we didn't
respect. Him.
Yeah. You love him?
Yeah. Just didn't like his idea on
that. And same with me.
Yeah, you know, I might be well,listen to person in my whole
club because of things I've done, but overall, I'm just one
man, one vote, right. So if I go in a room and I have

(01:50:44):
an idea, hey, there's eleven guys that are there pretty much.
Tell me. Yeah, sorry, Troy.
Yeah, you're going down the wrong path.
I got to see your your FXR up inIdaho.
Oh yeah, yeah, Shane was showingme.
Yeah, looking good. It was.
I've seen a picture of. It the head I think when I saw
it the the the evo was out. Is it back?

(01:51:05):
Is it finishing now? No, they're they're down to the
wiring artists. Yeah, that's so once.
Nasty. Once they get that in it, it's
done. Yeah, right.
So I have 270,000 miles on that motorcycle.
So was that your prospect FXR? Yep, that's why it's so
sentimental. Yeah, I love that bike.
It's pretty. Yeah.
It's so pretty. Yeah, it was.

(01:51:25):
It was man up there, they all you guys all have great bikes.
That's the other thing people don't understand is we're all
just motorcycle enthusiasts and we just like building cool shit
and. Yeah, we like riding.
We like. Riding motorcycles, Yeah.
When I told people I have that many miles on a bike, they're
like, really? I go, yeah, but there's more
bikes, yeah, that have miles on.But I'm just telling.

(01:51:46):
So in 30 years, I pretty much, Idon't own a car, I pretty much
own a motorcycle and I pretty much ride everywhere I go.
And I know that unless I'm at work and have to drive a van, I
ride a motorcycle and that's just that.
And in the winter snow, I don't care.
I ride a motorcycle. I'm I'm on it every day.
Riding snow as well, that's whatthat rocker is right there.

(01:52:08):
Oh, being in the snow. It's, well, it's below freezing
pack rides, you know? What I mean, so our club has one
of that, it's called Frozen few,Frozen few, but you got to go to
Alaska and ride in Alaska in thesnow first.
That's that's where it's like 14below.
Yeah, I've seen those. The guy with the You've seen the
guy with the swing arm, that thing.
So they have to put a swing arm,12 inches of snow, 14 inches of

(01:52:30):
Yeah, crap. So they put a little swing arm
on it so they can kind of, you know, don't go down.
They can learn more to one side.But yeah.
And then if you go up there and ride around, you can get your
frozen few tag. But believe me, you're frozen
when you're done. That's some cold douse riding.
Yeah, fuck. Makes Reno look and Donner look.
Like it's nothing, right? Yeah.

(01:52:50):
And then the sun doesn't come upup there either, you know,
during. Yeah.
No. Yeah, go.
Ahead making this, I flew into Fairbanks and it was -40.
Yeah, yeah. But you know what?
Alaska's still. Mine it's like that when they do
that run in March. Oh, they do that run in March.
I believe so. It's March or April.
So the worst. Yeah, it's cold.
Yeah, very cold. I'd rather do Alaska than I

(01:53:11):
would. It might, it might get a high of
maybe, you know, 5 in the day. Yeah, without the sun coming up,
Yeah, that's just. Correct.
But most of the time it's like below, Yeah, anywhere from 5 to
3040, whatever it is. That's it.
Yeah, no. You go out there, it's almost,
you got to wear a lot of layers,man.

(01:53:32):
Let me tell you. Yeah, a lot of layers.
So you're getting that back thisyear sometime?
Well, I'm supposed to get it back.
I talked to Shane, I want to sayin the next couple weeks.
Yeah, I'm supposed to get it back.
I I was hoping to have it back for the thing we did over here
for St. Vibes, you know, Robert's thing.

(01:53:52):
I wanted to enter that. Yeah.
That was my goal. Yeah, right.
Right. The bike contest.
Yeah. And so, and even though I want
to ride the bike all the time, Ido want to enter a contest.
You know, we're proud of our motorcycles, right?
Yeah. Like, that's the other thing.
I think people really don't understand how much we like our
motorcycles. Yeah.
Yeah. You know.
Yeah, that was one of the coolest shows we've ever done,

(01:54:15):
you know, And it was like when, like when we got there, it was
like, I didn't know what to expect because I did the other
show in the springtime and and Mondo came.
But this time Mondo was like, this is how we're doing it this
time. And I was like, you got it, man,
That was so cool. Just.
And Mondo knows how to do a show.
Yo, he did it all. He had everything.
He's the grandfather of that stuff, right?

(01:54:35):
Right. When it comes down to it, I
doubt anyone's been doing it as long and as well as he has.
Yeah. And, you know, and that's what's
cool too about Mondo is, you know, his bikes.
Yeah, You know, he's got a unique.
Yeah, he's got pan heads, shovelheads, choppers.
Yeah, Twisted. Whatever.
Yeah, even metrics. Yeah, they're badass.
And the metrics were sick, you know, I mean.

(01:54:57):
So when I was a kid, my stepfather had a old 62 pan head
and he's with the banana seat with the bar on the back and he,
yeah, with the springs. And he'd ride me around and I
thought it was the greatest. But when when I started really
riding, yeah, I thought, man, these are uncomfortable.
Yeah. See that's what I said cuz I
rode. I love the choppers man, I love

(01:55:19):
them but nothing beats 3 breaks and and four shocks, you know?
What I'm saying and oil not all over.
Yeah, man, I know I sound like AI sound like a like he been
saying that, but I agree. I sure love having breaks in
shocks man. Well, and your.
Back's probably a little better.For it, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That old hardtail?

(01:55:41):
Holy shit. You hit a bump and you're like.
Yeah. You know.
But they're sure cool to look at, man, that's and they are fun
to ride. I just, they're good.
They're a great second bike, yeah.
Yeah, or a bar hopper or a bar hopper.
I would call them a bar hopper. Like to me, you know, you got
Rd. glides, you got FXRS. The only way I'd ride a bike

(01:56:02):
like that if I was going from here to there, you know, I'm
done. Everything else, you can go 12
hours and you're good. You know, you could ride 12
hours straight. You get off and you're still
have some energy on those. You ride an hour, you're beat.
Yeah, that's your body's done. Yeah, you're toast.
All the vibration and everything, you're just like.
Yeah, you know, yeah, even even going from the Dyna to the soft

(01:56:25):
tail was like was a game changerfor me.
That Dyna was sure nice though, you know.
But well, Troy, I really appreciate you coming on, man.
You know, like I said, you, you fucking got our vote.
You got my mom's Democrat. About the COC much?
Huh. Oh yeah.
Yeah. Started that, now we did it.
But yeah, maybe another day. No, I'd, we would love to have
you back on, but yeah. The one thing about me, I could

(01:56:47):
tell stories probably for about 40 hours.
I know and still not even get itout.
Well, well, I do want to talk about the COC now that you
mention it, you know, I do want to talk about that.
I do want to talk about the factthat this is I want you guys to
think of COC like a union. Yeah.
That literally you think that it's they've really helped us

(01:57:12):
get out of tickets. They've helped us, you know,
like just. So when we formed the COC, the
idea of it was Confederation, Northern Nevada, confederation
of clubs. So it's we're all the motorcycle
clubs get together and they kindof have meetings.
But the real idea of the Coc wasbecause the cops are so

(01:57:33):
ridiculous on us was. It's for biker rights.
It's profiling. We would fight, we would, we
would come together, we'd talk about our grievances against
them and we'd figure out how we were going to defend it, defend
ourselves against them. Because you know, in the early
days when we first started in a month, I'd probably get 30
tickets or pulled over 30-40 times.

(01:57:55):
And out of those, probably only 10 of them were actually
tickets. The rest for like no blinker
cross a line. Like they're just, well, I saw
you touch the line, so I'm giving you a ticket.
I didn't touch the line, you know, just pull you over to
search you and do this or that. So that's why we originally
formed the COCS was for biker rights.

(01:58:17):
And then we just developed that into being biker rights and
everything for the bikers and, or for the community, even to
the point where we're almost, not quite, but we're almost a
vote. We could vote, we can pull a lot
of votes. So if you're someone we don't
like, we could easily put 10,000people to vote against you in
Northern Nevada and. Like you.

(01:58:39):
Said we all, we all don't agree on things, but we do agree when
someone like Alexis Hill wants to label us as Nazis, and we're
not Nazis. Everyone in the biker community
will not vote for her ever, you know?
And now she's running for what, Governor?
She's going to have a good luck because there's not going to be
a biker in the state that will vote for her.
You know, in in Las Vegas, too. Right, right, right.

(01:59:03):
Yeah. And what's crazy is from hearing
those stories, which when I wasn't even around in in a club,
I know it's gotten better as faras the profiling goes.
Got a lot better. And I, I know it has.
We. We.
We went from getting letters from the cops.
The gang letters. Gang letters basically saying if

(01:59:25):
we see you, we're gonna rescue, pull you over.
Your gang affiliate. Like I said, I would get pulled
over minimum, yeah, 25 to 35 * amonth minimum.
And none of them for something wrong.
And that went on for two years. I mean, we'd get tackled off our
motorcycles, sitting at a stoplight.
It went on. And they coming from other
places like I've got multiple charters in California.

(01:59:48):
We had an all charters meeting one time at A at our Shasta
County clubhouse and we had our entire block swarm just because
we were having a meeting. We were just talking nothing.
They had nothing better to do than just.
Warmed us. It was crazy.
And then, and then being in California, they're taking our
pictures, you know, and then I get to come here and I was
prospecting out of those charters and I get to be a part
of this community here in Reno when we finally became a

(02:00:09):
prospect charter. And we didn't really have a lot
of that going on. No.
And there's something to be saidabout how we operate our Coc.
And and fighting the fact that we it's there's.
We have money and we're ready tofight.
And they for sure, and they knowwe have attorneys and we're
ready to go. Yeah.
So I do want to say one thing. So you know the cop who recently

(02:00:29):
got arrested for, yeah, child molestation or something.
Yeah. A bunch of people wrote some
fuck, the cops are bad. Yeah.
And I was actually doing an interview on a radio show and I
said, well, I don't feel that way.
I just feel like there's some bad cops.
Just like but. It's like everything.
I think there is some bad in everything no matter what it is.

(02:00:50):
And unfortunately, the difference is you could have
some cops do something wrong andthey're not going to label
themselves as being bad, but they're going to label your
group as being bad if one of youdo something wrong.
And I always think the cops should really think about that.
They should think about labelinga group unless they want to be

(02:01:11):
labeled also, right? And I think that's something I'm
probably going to talk a lot about in the future.
You know, especially running foran office, you know, all groups,
including commissioners, governors say, hey, check it
out. They have bad apples, too.
You know, they're some of these people running our government,

(02:01:31):
like Adam Schiff. They're bad, too.
And it doesn't make them all bad, right?
Just like if we have some bad guys, that doesn't make us all
bad. And I think that's something
important that everyone should understand, you know, And I'm
not saying we're not the Hell's Angels and we're about taking
care of whatever we got to take care of.
We might be a little more adverse than most people because

(02:01:53):
we believe that a law could be wrong and therefore we're going
to fight it like I have done my whole life.
So. But we're not a criminal
organization and we shouldn't belabeled as one, right?
And that doesn't mean yeah. And that's because there was
100%. I'm a biker, and I hate being
labeled as anything other than just a motorcycle enthusiast.

(02:02:15):
There's one there. There is one.
Call us outlaws. Go ahead.
Yeah, I don't have a problem with that.
Yeah, don't call us a gang. For sure.
But see, that's what's funny is like, I know a lot of cops that
if somebody went up to them and said you're a fucking bitch,
he'd probably hit them too. Yeah, So man, maybe we're.
I I would hope so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's like maybe we're not, we're not all that dissimilar.
Yeah, I would hope that people are men and they don't let

(02:02:38):
anyone walk over them. Yeah, that's it.
Well, Troy, happy fucking birthday.
Happy fucking birthday. Anytime.
And again, you just all the wisdom that you shared has
really shaped at least this generation because I've grown up
with guys in your club looking up to them long before I was in
this. And then they join, you know
what I mean? And you know what guys, I'm

(02:02:59):
talking about and. Look up to them.
Yeah. And you know what's crazy?
That it's crazy the impact, the history and the things that you
went through. So we didn't have to, right.
And it's and it's truly no. So thank you, Troy, for being
here. Appreciate it.
Thank you. Happy birthday.
Thanks for having me on. Yeah.
Appreciate it. Come on, 11.

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