December 20, 2024 • 30 mins
In this episode, we catch up with Ayshea, an alumni of our first Alcohol Freedom Finders 30 day program. Aisha is a fantastic advert for our program's potential, because like so many people before she gave it a go She had never even considered a life without alcohol.
Drinking had been part of her life for years and felt central to her friendships and had never been problematic. She just thought a Dry January supporting her friend Justine's new venture would be a fun chance to challenge herself to see if she could go 30 days without booze. But as the month went on, She found that what she was learning was changing how she felt about alcohol altogether.
And by the end of the month, her desire to drink again was all but gone. Now a year on, she's alcohol free and happier than ever. She calls it magic. We call it freedom!
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Barry Condon (00:00):
This is Alcohol Freedom Finders.
In this episode, we catch upwith Aisha, an alumni of our
first Alcohol Freedom Finders 30day program.
Aisha is a fantastic advert forour program's potential, because
like so many people before shegave it a go She had never even
considered a life withoutalcohol.
Drinking had been part of herlife for years and felt central
to her friendships and had neverbeen problematic.
(00:22):
She just thought a Dry Januarysupporting her friend Justine's
new venture would be a funchance to challenge herself to
see if she could go 30 dayswithout booze.
But as the month went on, Shefound that what she was learning
was changing how she felt aboutalcohol altogether.
And by the end of the month, herdesire to drink again was all
but gone.
Now a year on, she's alcoholfree and happier than ever.
(00:45):
She calls it magic.
We call it freedom.
Let's get cracking.
Justine Clark (00:49):
Welcome everybody to this week's Alcohol Freedom
Finders and I genuinely couldn'tbe more excited to welcome one
of my dearest friends and ourguest today, Aisha Aisha, yes,
as I said, is one of my oldestand dearest friends and joined
our very first Alcohol FreedomFinding Group Month program back
(01:12):
in January last year Aisha.
And we thought it was a goodopportunity with January Looming
to touch base and see how theyear's been.
So welcome Aisha.
Ayshea Furlong (01:22):
Hi.
Barry Condon (01:22):
Hi Ayesha, great to see you again.
well, let's begin, you know, atthe logical beginning, for us at
least, you know, what broughtyou to us in January last year?
Sure.
Ayshea Furlong (01:33):
So it was, it wasn't the planned, it wasn't
anything planned.
it doesn't happen that it wasNew Year's day and obviously
we've all had a bit of a blaston New Year's Eve and went for a
walk with a few of my friendsand we.
It ended in the pub, as usual.
(01:55):
I said, right, who wants a glassof Prosecco?
two friends went, no, I'm doingdry January.
And I was like, oh, dry January,dry January.
That's, I've never done thatbefore.
So, I was like, oh, okay, well,maybe I'll do that as well.
So I went and ordered threecoffees and we sat there and we
(02:15):
had a really lovely afternoondrinking coffee rather than
Prosecco.
And then I think it was aboutthe 2nd of January, I was just,
you know, on my mobile phone andSomething came up, from Justine
on, on Facebook.
I haven't seen Justine foryears.
(02:35):
And, I just got in touch and,Justine told and explained to me
what it was about.
and I thought, well, what, whatthe hell, let's give it a go.
So it was more aboutreconnecting with an old friend,
and going on a journey, tryingto do dry January.
(02:58):
that was it.
And I've never done that before.
I've never gone four dayswithout drinking alcohol.
So it was an unusual thing forme to even consider Okay.
Justine Clark (03:13):
For sure.
And actually I remember sort ofat the start of the program, you
were like, you know, I can takethis or leave it.
I'm just doing this for a bit ofa laugh.
It's nice to see you.
So, what do you think your, goalwas at maybe the beginning of
the month and then towards theend of the month, how did that
shift for you?
Ayshea Furlong (03:33):
So I really surprised myself.
So my goal Just simply was totry and get through January
without drinking any alcohol.
but I learned so much on thejourney, each and every day.
And because we were a group, Ithink there might.
(03:56):
Being about 10 of us, that metup on a weekly basis and we sort
of just up and we wereaccountable to selves and our
achievements or, or, or not.
we didn't beat each other upabout if we, if we, we did have
a drink, you know, it was just,it was just an exploration
(04:20):
really on how each one of uswere, we're doing on this
journey.
But it was really helped becausewe had daily podcasts, to listen
to, it was part of the course,and that opened my eyes up a
little bit more about thedangers, of alcohol, long, the
(04:43):
long term dangers and how.
bad it is for your health andeveryone will sit there and know
it's bad for your health but westill do it and I have done it
and I did do it for 30 years andI just didn't stop just I don't
know why didn't stop and I thinkit's because I didn't have the
time to do it.
(05:03):
I didn't know how to, everyoneelse around me was doing exactly
the same.
So this course, the, the dryJanuary just opened my eyes up
to life outside of alcohol andwhat it looked like.
It wasn't easy.
(05:26):
It wasn't, it wasn't easy, butit wasn't as hard as I thought
it was going to be.
Barry Condon (05:30):
That's great.
I, I think, I think you've sortof hit the nail on the head that
the way that we approach it andthe way that the methodology
works, that it is an experimentand there's no judging about,
you know, how much you drink onit, how much you don't drink and
whether you have, try one or youdon't have one, you know,
whether you make a month withoutdrinking, the idea is to,
through those videos, as yousaid, we use it, um, um, A
(05:51):
companion app from this nakedmind.
And there's a 30 day experiment,programmed there where we, where
everyone gets a video every daythat sort of triggers, thoughts
about, you know, about that,about the risks, but, but we
actually, I mean, and even,maybe you were, yeah,
subconsciously, You sort offocus on, on the, the, the, the
(06:13):
negative side of, of drinking,but actually the, the, the
course tends to focus more onthe reasons why we drink and it
kind of debunks the, theperceived benefits.
and I think for me at least,that was part, that was probably
the strongest, part of theprogram is, is that, When you
sort of start to see theillusion that, that, that
(06:35):
drinking is, and realize thatactually, you know, you get a
bit of a buzz, but, the, theknock on effects, last much
longer than the, than the sortof buzz benefits, then it
becomes easier to feel, Lessinclined to drink and it feels
easier to leave, leave it on thetable.
and that's the way that we liketo approach it is, is that we
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don't want to, someone to sortof resist drinking.
We want someone to come to theconclusion for themselves that
actually they're better offwithout it.
I wonder if that resonates atall with you.
Ayshea Furlong (07:07):
I suppose it was, it was like there was a
helping hand with me every stepof the way.
So I would, I would.
Each day or you watch thepodcast, it would say, okay,
you're in day five.
Now you might, you might findthat you're sleeping better and
you start recognizing, Oh,right, actually.
(07:28):
And, and it goes into thescience behind on why, why
you're sleeping better.
and then it might go into, nowyou're going to have some sugar
cravings.
And you sort of go, Oh, sugarcravings or, or just, you know,
having cravings.
And of course I've never hadcravings before because I just
had to drink.
And, but it was just reassuringthat these cravings were, were
(07:53):
normal and it just provided somesupport, about what you can do
to help you get out of thosecravings, you know, why you do
it, have a, have a, You know,why do you drink the reason why
you drink?
well, this might be differentfor different people, but you
learn about that and you sort ofbreak it down.
(08:13):
You know, mine was sometimesjust boredom.
I drink because I just could, Idrunk because I thought I was
funnier.
I drunk because it was, I wasjust, you know, felt more
attractive and all of these, allof these reasons.
And then when you sort of getthese cravings, you sort of go,
well, what, what am I going todo?
(08:34):
Where am I going to go?
Cause I'd usually go, Oh, I'llgo, I'll go to the pub.
Well, I can't, I can't go to thepub because I can't drink.
so the group was supportive andgiving you some ideas of things
you can do.
So, I'd go to the cinema or I'dgo to, theater.
I booked, booked in some reallynice things to support me.
(08:55):
we had a WhatsApp group and weshared all of our favorite, non
alcoholic, beers.
that was, that was good fun.
Um, so the part of the coursewas being able to support me and
help me and just feel reassured.
How my body was reacting andchanging to not drinking.
Justine Clark (09:16):
Yeah, I think you've hit the nail on the head
because quite often when we tryand reduce our alcohol or do a
dry January, although we knowlots of people are doing it,
we're really just doing itourselves and we do it with
willpower alone.
And willpower is like a muscle.
It's a muscle that can only hangon to the edge of the cliff for
so long.
This is scientifically true thatwillpower just dissipates over
(09:41):
time.
So what we need is the newbeliefs to come up and support
us.
And, what's more important,having the community and the
connection of other people doingthe same thing.
So yes, we set up a privateWhatsApp group for only the
people that are in that cohort.
we message each other, you know,sometimes daily, sometimes more
than that, depending on whatpeople are experiencing, to
(10:03):
offer support, different typesof drinks you might want to try,
and just a buddy system.
You know, if you've had a badday, or Oh, it's Friday.
What are you doing on Friday?
You know, what do you normallydo on Friday?
So I think that accountabilityand community and connection all
mean that willpower isn't such anecessary thing to have.
(10:24):
And, you know, all of us want todo a dry January, but sometimes
it's difficult because, I don'tknow about you, but lots of
times I hear people getting toabout day four or five and they
can get through that first weekand then it's Friday again.
And that knackered and exhaustedand want to reward themselves or
they're bored and all thereasons kick in again.
(10:45):
the next thing I just wanted toask you because I know that
there are hurdles through themonth, like we talked about,
were there any hurdles in themonth that you had to overcome?
Ayshea Furlong (10:57):
Definitely some Friday nights tricky for me.
Friday night was usually goingout and having a drink and.
Everyone was at the pub.
all of my friends were at thepub and initially I didn't feel,
I didn't feel strong enough tobe able to go to the pub and not
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drink.
that was just, just initially.
it didn't, it didn't last long.
was, you know, I was just reallycurious about how I was feeling.
It was really, I mean, it'sreally, really interesting about
how, how my mind was working andhow it was over going over time.
(11:39):
and thinking, why am I doingthis?
Questioning myself.
And, and, then I remember justwalking up and down the stairs
in my house because to pass timeand just, just to pass time
because I didn't know how tofill my time.
and it became apparent to methat I had, I had so much spent
(12:02):
so much time just drinking andyeah, I was usually doing it.
In a, in a, in a social way.
it doesn't mean that I'm notsocial anymore because I still
go to the pub and I, and I stillgo to pub and I still have a
drink, with everyone else and Ilaugh as loud as everybody else.
but I get to drive home andeveryone loves that.
(12:24):
So the Friday nights wereparticularly hard.
the sugar cravings, the, I'vegot to say, that's probably one
thing I feel like I might havereplaced, the alcohol with a few
more cakes and biscuits, Idon't, I never had a sweet
tooth, I never didn't think Ihad a sweet tooth, but I didn't
realize how much sugar, youknow, how much sugar there is in
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alcohol.
but I don't know whether it isthe sugar or it's, that need to
treat yourself because I thinkit's really good to be kind to
yourself.
And, if you have, you've had atough day at work to come home
and have, mince pies and a cupof tea, which is what I did
tonight.
so it's, was quite, that wasquite a change having these,
(13:10):
these sugar cravings.
So hot chocolate was somethingthat I'd sort of moved to.
What else did I find quite hard?
I mean, I did have some friendsthat would say to me, I don't
know if I can be your friend ifyou're not going to drink.
I was like, oh no! What am Igoing to do?
fortunately we're still friends.
(13:31):
And, and she's actually gonelong periods of not drinking
herself now.
but it was, that was a bit of ashock.
thinking that there was a chancethat my friendships might
change.
But it just made other peoplecurious they watched me change
and go out and, do thingswithout alcohol.
(13:54):
It just made them as well aboutwhether or not they could do the
same thing.
Barry Condon (14:01):
That's, that's really, really interesting.
I mean, it's such a commonthing, but a lot of what you
said there are things thatpeople will, maybe either
worried about or, or, if they'vebeen through.
a period of, of, of not drinkingthemselves, they'll, they'll
resonate with that.
I know the amount of time youget back in the beginning, it
feels really overwhelming thatyou just, what do I do with my
(14:22):
time?
You know, I'm like, you're awakein the morning and you don't,
you know, you're not nursing ahangover or, you know, you're
slightly more energetic, youknow, what do I do?
And, and, and in the evening, asyou say, you know, if you, if
you're not, you know, alreadysort of slouched on the couch
after having a few drinks beforedinner.
you know, you've got all thistime back and, you know, and,
and you feel like you should bedoing something with it.
And, and I think that's thetrick is that eventually you'll,
(14:44):
you'll think, Oh, well, actuallythis is a gift.
You know, I've got, I've gotthis time back and it's an
opportunity to do other thingsand, and, pick up hobbies again,
or, or, or take, you know, do,let your imagination run away
with you.
that's, that's one thing.
And I was also thinking that,yeah, that that's, something
that can be.
really scary for people is youknow, what will it, what will
other people think, about mydecision not to drink and, and,
(15:08):
and I, I think people are often,you know, a bit sort of, Oh
gosh, you know, what does thismean?
You know, will she be the same?
What would she think of me?
And, and, and, and, should I belooking at my drinking?
and I think, you know, as longas you.
Are a bit prepared for that andyou understand that people are
going to be, you know, want toknow why and what to want to
have, you know, ask youquestions and you can have a
plan as to how much you want toshare and you know, you don't
(15:30):
have to tell them, your fullstory.
You don't have to tell themanything you don't want to want
to.
You just, I'm just, you know,I'm just not drinking tonight.
I'm just, you know, doing adetox.
I'm just, you know, I'm drivingor, you know, anything you that
feels comfortable is okay.
And people aren't as, aren'tlooking at you as carefully as,
as, as, as we often think it,you sort of think, Oh my God,
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you know, everyone's going to belooking at me, you know, what am
I doing with my hands?
And, and, but so when did it,when did you feel more
confident?
When, when, when did you go tothe pub for the first time and,
and, and, and how did you dothat and how did it feel?
Ayshea Furlong (16:05):
When did I, I can't remember.
I, I tried, I tried to.
Particularly when I think Imoved into February, when I felt
a little bit more comfortableand I wanted to, I didn't want
to change my life.
I wanted to still do the samethings with the same people, but
slightly differently.
(16:27):
So I would go to, I'd make sureI'd go to the pubs that did,
Sell something worth worthdrinking and there are a
surprising number of, Alcoholfree beers on draft now in the
pubs and I can, I can sit therewith my pint of alcohol free
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beer and everyone else isdrinking and nobody would have a
scooby doo that I didn't havealcohol in my beer.
at all.
and that, that just feels reallygood.
And then I, I don't wake up inthe middle of the night going,
Oh, why did I have that lastdrink?
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and I don't wake up with anyregrets.
I don't wake up with, you know,any hangovers.
I've been I wake up everymorning feeling amazing.
and it, and I, it allows me tomake plans.
I don't, I don't even have tothink about what I might be
(17:31):
doing the night before without,you know, previously, if I was
meeting a friend early in themorning to go for a run, but I
had a work to do the nightbefore, I probably wouldn't go.
But now I don't even have tothink about it.
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Back to the episode.
and that's, that happened, that happened quite
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quickly, I think, because Iwanted to make the most of the
things that I wouldn't, that Icould do without drinking,
without thinking about it.
so I became more sociable indifferent ways, still sociable,
but not past o'clock.
(18:55):
yeah, PM that is, not AM.
Justine Clark (18:58):
I think that's the time that most of us say,
you know, we like doing exactlythe same things, alcohol free,
but you know, we also like tosnuggle up and be in bed before
midnight, which is, you know,quite right too.
so it seems to me that actuallyyou've become more sociable
since, stopping drinking.
And I've experienced that withyou myself, because May, after
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probably a decade, Aisha was mybridesmaid.
That's how close we were.
We really were very close.
loved each other very much, andAisha moved away, which is why
we lost contact.
But another reason, and this isme being really honest, another
reason why I think we lostcontact, is we were both
drinkers in the evening.
you know, once you've had acouple of drinks, you just zone
out, and you watch television,and you do the least easiest
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thing to do.
You're not sort of sitting therethinking, Hmm, I don't want to
be walking up and down mystairs, I want to find something
to do.
You think about other things,you think about your friends,
you plan things.
so in May, we, in April or May,we actually spent a weekend
together for the first time in10 years.
And it was wonderful.
We had the, we had the besttime, and it didn't cross our
(20:03):
minds once to have a drink.
we celebrated and laughed andhad the best time ever, better
than ever before.
And for me, if, if I hadn'tstopped drinking, and Aisha
hadn't found me through stoppingdrinking, We may not have
reconnected, and connection isprobably my greatest win with
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stopping drinking and trustingmyself and my connections.
That the connections I'm havingare real and authentic, and I
can maintain them, and I won'tforget about them in the
morning.
Ayshea Furlong (20:34):
I totally resonate with that, that, one of
the things, that I really quitelike about it is that connection
that I have with people.
I went on a seminar, over twodays and.
You have over the, in theevening, you have to, not you
have to, it's, it's, it's a,it's a meal and you're sitting
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there with people you don't knowand all the, lots of wine,
alcohol flowing, and I wasdrinking water, sparkling water,
and I had just amazing,conversations with two people on
either side, and found out somuch about them and, and I was
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genuinely interested.
Whereas in previous days, Iwould have been just back the
wine and not really connectingor, or really caring about the
conversation or that person.
so that felt really positive andreally good for me.
Barry Condon (21:42):
That's really, that's great.
And I think a lot of peoplebefore you ever take a break,
you sort of think, okay, wellthe best I could imagine is,
okay, it'll be nice not wakingup with a hangover.
And, you know, people sort ofsay, you know, perhaps a bit
more energy, perhaps, you know,I'll, I'll, I'll, you know,
maybe they say you might sleep abit better or you feel a bit
more energetic.
Okay.
But, you know, you give up somuch, you know, all my best
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times are with the drink.
I'm going to get all my best.
Yeah, connections with thedrink.
So it's really powerful to hearthat, you know, that, that
actually the reality is when youtake the drink away and get a
little bit of distance from it,you start, you know, that you
don't miss it and you're notsort of on edge in a situation
where normally you wouldpreviously drink.
I mean, to begin with, you, youmight well be, but having been
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through a couple of cycles ofgoing to the pub or going to a
social event, you, you, youstart to trust yourself, think,
Oh, actually, no, I can do thiswithout a drink.
And actually, you know, then Ican connect properly.
Then I could be more myself andremember what's going on.
so that's, that's reallypowerful for people to
understand is that actually, youknow, it's not just, Oh, I have
a problem.
I have to stop.
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Poor me.
And, and, and I'll look over myshoulder, you know, for the rest
of my life regretting that, youknow, I pushed it too far.
you know, I'm looking over myshoulder, wishing, you know,
scared that I might have anotherdrink and, you know, The, the,
the, the alcohol problem willget me.
It's, it's getting to that pointwhere you really, where you
remove drink, from the equationand realize actually that
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everything in your, you know,the way you feel, your
neurochemistry is, is much morein balance.
You, you're more relaxed and,and happier.
And, and then you think, well,why would I have a drink?
Not, not, I can't have a drink.
Why would I, that would just,you know, spoil tomorrow and,
and, and probably spoil tonightas well.
So what would you say to someonewho's questioning themselves and
maybe looking to reframe their,relationship with Algar.
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What would you say to them?
Ayshea Furlong (23:33):
be curious, if, if they're, if they're really
interested in, you know, all theconsidering or the concerned, I
mean, I wasn't even concernedabout the amount of alcohol I
was drinking.
it was, it was just about beingcurious in terms of whether you
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can, you, what a differentperson, what person you could be
without it.
did, in, when we did the, they,Course again in July, I did or I
encouraged a friend to sort ofcome along, as well.
And, she was, you know, she wasreally, you know, amazed that, I
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still hadn't touched any alcoholall year and she was curious.
And I think that she recognizedin herself that.
It wasn't good for her shedidn't sleep very well.
She got very overwhelmed.
She, you know, her anxiety,increased when she was drinking.
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Whilst it made her feel betterinitially doesn't, it's not a
cure.
And she was just self medicatingall the time.
So just to be curious and togive it a go.
There's nothing, there's nothingto lose, from doing a dry
January.
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even if you don't want to.
out of it, more knowledgeable,and understand more of the risks
and, and the, the, the health,implications that it can have
and you reduce or moderate, youralcohol.
It's been magic for me.
I mean, I still can't myselfdrinking.
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I'm not saying I haven't had adrink all year.
because I have, I did, I didtry, a gin and tonic, recently.
did taste nice, but I didn't, Ididn't get any benefits from it.
And it actually started abouthalf an hour after I drank it
started making me feel sick.
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My body was rejecting it.
So for me, that was a reminderthat, you know, alcohol is, is
poison for your body.
It's not good for you.
And my body was rejecting it.
I don't regret trying the ginand tonic.
It was more of a, a reminder forme on why I, I decide it's my
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choice and decide not to drinkalcohol.
I.
I, I've had such a greatexperience from it and my life
has completely changed for thebetter many ways.
I just want other people to tryit and give it a go, because if
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I can do it, I'm drinking, youknow, every night for 30 years
and I've been able to.
Stop.
I just believe if I can do it,anybody can do it.
Justine Clark (26:45):
I love that Aisha.
So what three words, we alwayslike to ask our guests, what
three words sort of encapsulatebeing an alcohol freedom finder
for you?
Ayshea Furlong (26:55):
okay, so liberating.
I just feel liberated.
I don't that alcohol'scontrolling me anymore because
it did, you know, it controlledme.
There was an expectation on meto drink to be the life and soul
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of the party.
It's just liberating that I cando what I want, when I want, how
I want it.
True to myself, true to me, notintoxicated Aisha.
I think it's really, I feelreally empowered.
and I'm, I'm really proud ofmyself and I feel that I've
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taken, you know, control, of mylife.
So I definitely feel someempowerment from that.
And also the third word would behealthy.
So, It's, it's kind of like amental health, I feel mentally
healthy.
(28:04):
whereas physically, physically,I know I'm healthy.
because a lot of, a lot of the,the stuff that's going on in
your body when you're drinking,you know, you, you don't get to
see.
so I know because I'm not.
Putting that alcohol in mysystem.
I'm a lot healthier for it, butmentally healthier, because I
(28:31):
don't have that anxiety.
I don't have that stress.
I don't beat myself up anymore.
I'm not good enough or I can'tbelieve I had another drink and,
you know, all of that.
healthier for that.
Barry Condon (28:47):
That's brilliant.
I want to just say Thank you forsharing all that with us.
But I and I want to say thanksfor coming and we could round it
all out.
But I just remind you justreminded me of that story that
you said you you you told us inJuly about your birthday and
how,
Ayshea Furlong (29:04):
Oh, that was So
Barry Condon (29:05):
was such a reminder to people to us, you
know, we're not giving anythingup, you know, you don't have to,
you know, Not enjoy things ormiss out.
So just tell us briefly abouthow about your your birthday.
Ayshea Furlong (29:18):
the big, the big 5 0 and, my, my girlfriends had,
had arranged, for us to meet, atthis bar went down to the bar.
It was, It was a cocktail bar.
I have really, really nice,really, really swanky.
And I had a mocktail.
(29:38):
I think a few of my friends havemocktails well.
and they were the best mocktailscocktails I've ever had.
Had we had, a really good laughand, it, I don't know.
It just, it just felt amazing.
I felt connected with all of myfriends.
(29:59):
And it, it's funny because I, Iwas just speaking to my friend
about it, just a couple of daysago about that very evening, and
we said that we want to go backbecause the cocktails were, were
amazing, but was.
It was about being connected,being all connected, being
together, with a special drink,but it just didn't have alcohol
(30:21):
in it.
Justine Clark (30:24):
That's the elephant in the room sure.
Alcohol doesn't need to bethere.
We can be connected, liberated,in control and healthy like you
say Aisha.
it's just wonderful to see you,be with you again and have that
connections and thank you forbeing part of our journey.
Ayshea Furlong (30:41):
Thank you.
Justine Clark (30:41):
of their hearts.
Barry Condon (30:43):
Yeah.
Thanks so much
Ayshea Furlong (30:44):
You've changed my
Barry Condon (30:45):
brilliant
This is Alcohol Freedom Finders.
In this episode, we catch upwith Aisha, an alumni of our
first Alcohol Freedom Finders 30day program.
Aisha is a fantastic advert forour program's potential, because
like so many people before shegave it a go She had never even
considered a life withoutalcohol.
Drinking had been part of herlife for years and felt central
to her friendships and had neverbeen problematic.
(00:22):
She just thought a Dry Januarysupporting her friend Justine's
new venture would be a funchance to challenge herself to
see if she could go 30 dayswithout booze.
But as the month went on, Shefound that what she was learning
was changing how she felt aboutalcohol altogether.
And by the end of the month, herdesire to drink again was all
but gone.
Now a year on, she's alcoholfree and happier than ever.
(00:45):
She calls it magic.
We call it freedom.
Let's get cracking.
Justine Clark (00:49):
Welcome everybody to this week's Alcohol Freedom
Finders and I genuinely couldn'tbe more excited to welcome one
of my dearest friends and ourguest today, Aisha Aisha, yes,
as I said, is one of my oldestand dearest friends and joined
our very first Alcohol FreedomFinding Group Month program back
(01:12):
in January last year Aisha.
And we thought it was a goodopportunity with January Looming
to touch base and see how theyear's been.
So welcome Aisha.
Ayshea Furlong (01:22):
Hi.
Barry Condon (01:22):
Hi Ayesha, great to see you again.
well, let's begin, you know, atthe logical beginning, for us at
least, you know, what broughtyou to us in January last year?
Sure.
Ayshea Furlong (01:33):
So it was, it wasn't the planned, it wasn't
anything planned.
it doesn't happen that it wasNew Year's day and obviously
we've all had a bit of a blaston New Year's Eve and went for a
walk with a few of my friendsand we.
It ended in the pub, as usual.
(01:55):
I said, right, who wants a glassof Prosecco?
two friends went, no, I'm doingdry January.
And I was like, oh, dry January,dry January.
That's, I've never done thatbefore.
So, I was like, oh, okay, well,maybe I'll do that as well.
So I went and ordered threecoffees and we sat there and we
(02:15):
had a really lovely afternoondrinking coffee rather than
Prosecco.
And then I think it was aboutthe 2nd of January, I was just,
you know, on my mobile phone andSomething came up, from Justine
on, on Facebook.
I haven't seen Justine foryears.
(02:35):
And, I just got in touch and,Justine told and explained to me
what it was about.
and I thought, well, what, whatthe hell, let's give it a go.
So it was more aboutreconnecting with an old friend,
and going on a journey, tryingto do dry January.
(02:58):
that was it.
And I've never done that before.
I've never gone four dayswithout drinking alcohol.
So it was an unusual thing forme to even consider Okay.
Justine Clark (03:13):
For sure.
And actually I remember sort ofat the start of the program, you
were like, you know, I can takethis or leave it.
I'm just doing this for a bit ofa laugh.
It's nice to see you.
So, what do you think your, goalwas at maybe the beginning of
the month and then towards theend of the month, how did that
shift for you?
Ayshea Furlong (03:33):
So I really surprised myself.
So my goal Just simply was totry and get through January
without drinking any alcohol.
but I learned so much on thejourney, each and every day.
And because we were a group, Ithink there might.
(03:56):
Being about 10 of us, that metup on a weekly basis and we sort
of just up and we wereaccountable to selves and our
achievements or, or, or not.
we didn't beat each other upabout if we, if we, we did have
a drink, you know, it was just,it was just an exploration
(04:20):
really on how each one of uswere, we're doing on this
journey.
But it was really helped becausewe had daily podcasts, to listen
to, it was part of the course,and that opened my eyes up a
little bit more about thedangers, of alcohol, long, the
(04:43):
long term dangers and how.
bad it is for your health andeveryone will sit there and know
it's bad for your health but westill do it and I have done it
and I did do it for 30 years andI just didn't stop just I don't
know why didn't stop and I thinkit's because I didn't have the
time to do it.
(05:03):
I didn't know how to, everyoneelse around me was doing exactly
the same.
So this course, the, the dryJanuary just opened my eyes up
to life outside of alcohol andwhat it looked like.
It wasn't easy.
(05:26):
It wasn't, it wasn't easy, butit wasn't as hard as I thought
it was going to be.
Barry Condon (05:30):
That's great.
I, I think, I think you've sortof hit the nail on the head that
the way that we approach it andthe way that the methodology
works, that it is an experimentand there's no judging about,
you know, how much you drink onit, how much you don't drink and
whether you have, try one or youdon't have one, you know,
whether you make a month withoutdrinking, the idea is to,
through those videos, as yousaid, we use it, um, um, A
(05:51):
companion app from this nakedmind.
And there's a 30 day experiment,programmed there where we, where
everyone gets a video every daythat sort of triggers, thoughts
about, you know, about that,about the risks, but, but we
actually, I mean, and even,maybe you were, yeah,
subconsciously, You sort offocus on, on the, the, the, the
(06:13):
negative side of, of drinking,but actually the, the, the
course tends to focus more onthe reasons why we drink and it
kind of debunks the, theperceived benefits.
and I think for me at least,that was part, that was probably
the strongest, part of theprogram is, is that, When you
sort of start to see theillusion that, that, that
(06:35):
drinking is, and realize thatactually, you know, you get a
bit of a buzz, but, the, theknock on effects, last much
longer than the, than the sortof buzz benefits, then it
becomes easier to feel, Lessinclined to drink and it feels
easier to leave, leave it on thetable.
and that's the way that we liketo approach it is, is that we
(06:57):
don't want to, someone to sortof resist drinking.
We want someone to come to theconclusion for themselves that
actually they're better offwithout it.
I wonder if that resonates atall with you.
Ayshea Furlong (07:07):
I suppose it was, it was like there was a
helping hand with me every stepof the way.
So I would, I would.
Each day or you watch thepodcast, it would say, okay,
you're in day five.
Now you might, you might findthat you're sleeping better and
you start recognizing, Oh,right, actually.
(07:28):
And, and it goes into thescience behind on why, why
you're sleeping better.
and then it might go into, nowyou're going to have some sugar
cravings.
And you sort of go, Oh, sugarcravings or, or just, you know,
having cravings.
And of course I've never hadcravings before because I just
had to drink.
And, but it was just reassuringthat these cravings were, were
(07:53):
normal and it just provided somesupport, about what you can do
to help you get out of thosecravings, you know, why you do
it, have a, have a, You know,why do you drink the reason why
you drink?
well, this might be differentfor different people, but you
learn about that and you sort ofbreak it down.
(08:13):
You know, mine was sometimesjust boredom.
I drink because I just could, Idrunk because I thought I was
funnier.
I drunk because it was, I wasjust, you know, felt more
attractive and all of these, allof these reasons.
And then when you sort of getthese cravings, you sort of go,
well, what, what am I going todo?
(08:34):
Where am I going to go?
Cause I'd usually go, Oh, I'llgo, I'll go to the pub.
Well, I can't, I can't go to thepub because I can't drink.
so the group was supportive andgiving you some ideas of things
you can do.
So, I'd go to the cinema or I'dgo to, theater.
I booked, booked in some reallynice things to support me.
(08:55):
we had a WhatsApp group and weshared all of our favorite, non
alcoholic, beers.
that was, that was good fun.
Um, so the part of the coursewas being able to support me and
help me and just feel reassured.
How my body was reacting andchanging to not drinking.
Justine Clark (09:16):
Yeah, I think you've hit the nail on the head
because quite often when we tryand reduce our alcohol or do a
dry January, although we knowlots of people are doing it,
we're really just doing itourselves and we do it with
willpower alone.
And willpower is like a muscle.
It's a muscle that can only hangon to the edge of the cliff for
so long.
This is scientifically true thatwillpower just dissipates over
(09:41):
time.
So what we need is the newbeliefs to come up and support
us.
And, what's more important,having the community and the
connection of other people doingthe same thing.
So yes, we set up a privateWhatsApp group for only the
people that are in that cohort.
we message each other, you know,sometimes daily, sometimes more
than that, depending on whatpeople are experiencing, to
(10:03):
offer support, different typesof drinks you might want to try,
and just a buddy system.
You know, if you've had a badday, or Oh, it's Friday.
What are you doing on Friday?
You know, what do you normallydo on Friday?
So I think that accountabilityand community and connection all
mean that willpower isn't such anecessary thing to have.
(10:24):
And, you know, all of us want todo a dry January, but sometimes
it's difficult because, I don'tknow about you, but lots of
times I hear people getting toabout day four or five and they
can get through that first weekand then it's Friday again.
And that knackered and exhaustedand want to reward themselves or
they're bored and all thereasons kick in again.
(10:45):
the next thing I just wanted toask you because I know that
there are hurdles through themonth, like we talked about,
were there any hurdles in themonth that you had to overcome?
Ayshea Furlong (10:57):
Definitely some Friday nights tricky for me.
Friday night was usually goingout and having a drink and.
Everyone was at the pub.
all of my friends were at thepub and initially I didn't feel,
I didn't feel strong enough tobe able to go to the pub and not
(11:18):
drink.
that was just, just initially.
it didn't, it didn't last long.
was, you know, I was just reallycurious about how I was feeling.
It was really, I mean, it'sreally, really interesting about
how, how my mind was working andhow it was over going over time.
(11:39):
and thinking, why am I doingthis?
Questioning myself.
And, and, then I remember justwalking up and down the stairs
in my house because to pass timeand just, just to pass time
because I didn't know how tofill my time.
and it became apparent to methat I had, I had so much spent
(12:02):
so much time just drinking andyeah, I was usually doing it.
In a, in a, in a social way.
it doesn't mean that I'm notsocial anymore because I still
go to the pub and I, and I stillgo to pub and I still have a
drink, with everyone else and Ilaugh as loud as everybody else.
but I get to drive home andeveryone loves that.
(12:24):
So the Friday nights wereparticularly hard.
the sugar cravings, the, I'vegot to say, that's probably one
thing I feel like I might havereplaced, the alcohol with a few
more cakes and biscuits, Idon't, I never had a sweet
tooth, I never didn't think Ihad a sweet tooth, but I didn't
realize how much sugar, youknow, how much sugar there is in
(12:46):
alcohol.
but I don't know whether it isthe sugar or it's, that need to
treat yourself because I thinkit's really good to be kind to
yourself.
And, if you have, you've had atough day at work to come home
and have, mince pies and a cupof tea, which is what I did
tonight.
so it's, was quite, that wasquite a change having these,
(13:10):
these sugar cravings.
So hot chocolate was somethingthat I'd sort of moved to.
What else did I find quite hard?
I mean, I did have some friendsthat would say to me, I don't
know if I can be your friend ifyou're not going to drink.
I was like, oh no! What am Igoing to do?
fortunately we're still friends.
(13:31):
And, and she's actually gonelong periods of not drinking
herself now.
but it was, that was a bit of ashock.
thinking that there was a chancethat my friendships might
change.
But it just made other peoplecurious they watched me change
and go out and, do thingswithout alcohol.
(13:54):
It just made them as well aboutwhether or not they could do the
same thing.
Barry Condon (14:01):
That's, that's really, really interesting.
I mean, it's such a commonthing, but a lot of what you
said there are things thatpeople will, maybe either
worried about or, or, if they'vebeen through.
a period of, of, of not drinkingthemselves, they'll, they'll
resonate with that.
I know the amount of time youget back in the beginning, it
feels really overwhelming thatyou just, what do I do with my
(14:22):
time?
You know, I'm like, you're awakein the morning and you don't,
you know, you're not nursing ahangover or, you know, you're
slightly more energetic, youknow, what do I do?
And, and, and in the evening, asyou say, you know, if you, if
you're not, you know, alreadysort of slouched on the couch
after having a few drinks beforedinner.
you know, you've got all thistime back and, you know, and,
and you feel like you should bedoing something with it.
And, and I think that's thetrick is that eventually you'll,
(14:44):
you'll think, Oh, well, actuallythis is a gift.
You know, I've got, I've gotthis time back and it's an
opportunity to do other thingsand, and, pick up hobbies again,
or, or, or take, you know, do,let your imagination run away
with you.
that's, that's one thing.
And I was also thinking that,yeah, that that's, something
that can be.
really scary for people is youknow, what will it, what will
other people think, about mydecision not to drink and, and,
(15:08):
and I, I think people are often,you know, a bit sort of, Oh
gosh, you know, what does thismean?
You know, will she be the same?
What would she think of me?
And, and, and, and, should I belooking at my drinking?
and I think, you know, as longas you.
Are a bit prepared for that andyou understand that people are
going to be, you know, want toknow why and what to want to
have, you know, ask youquestions and you can have a
plan as to how much you want toshare and you know, you don't
(15:30):
have to tell them, your fullstory.
You don't have to tell themanything you don't want to want
to.
You just, I'm just, you know,I'm just not drinking tonight.
I'm just, you know, doing adetox.
I'm just, you know, I'm drivingor, you know, anything you that
feels comfortable is okay.
And people aren't as, aren'tlooking at you as carefully as,
as, as, as we often think it,you sort of think, Oh my God,
(15:51):
you know, everyone's going to belooking at me, you know, what am
I doing with my hands?
And, and, but so when did it,when did you feel more
confident?
When, when, when did you go tothe pub for the first time and,
and, and, and how did you dothat and how did it feel?
Ayshea Furlong (16:05):
When did I, I can't remember.
I, I tried, I tried to.
Particularly when I think Imoved into February, when I felt
a little bit more comfortableand I wanted to, I didn't want
to change my life.
I wanted to still do the samethings with the same people, but
slightly differently.
(16:27):
So I would go to, I'd make sureI'd go to the pubs that did,
Sell something worth worthdrinking and there are a
surprising number of, Alcoholfree beers on draft now in the
pubs and I can, I can sit therewith my pint of alcohol free
(16:48):
beer and everyone else isdrinking and nobody would have a
scooby doo that I didn't havealcohol in my beer.
at all.
and that, that just feels reallygood.
And then I, I don't wake up inthe middle of the night going,
Oh, why did I have that lastdrink?
(17:11):
and I don't wake up with anyregrets.
I don't wake up with, you know,any hangovers.
I've been I wake up everymorning feeling amazing.
and it, and I, it allows me tomake plans.
I don't, I don't even have tothink about what I might be
(17:31):
doing the night before without,you know, previously, if I was
meeting a friend early in themorning to go for a run, but I
had a work to do the nightbefore, I probably wouldn't go.
But now I don't even have tothink about it.
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Because no one ever woke up inthe morning and said, I wish I'd
had more to drink last night,did they?
Back to the episode.
and that's, that happened, that happened quite
(18:34):
quickly, I think, because Iwanted to make the most of the
things that I wouldn't, that Icould do without drinking,
without thinking about it.
so I became more sociable indifferent ways, still sociable,
but not past o'clock.
(18:55):
yeah, PM that is, not AM.
Justine Clark (18:58):
I think that's the time that most of us say,
you know, we like doing exactlythe same things, alcohol free,
but you know, we also like tosnuggle up and be in bed before
midnight, which is, you know,quite right too.
so it seems to me that actuallyyou've become more sociable
since, stopping drinking.
And I've experienced that withyou myself, because May, after
(19:19):
probably a decade, Aisha was mybridesmaid.
That's how close we were.
We really were very close.
loved each other very much, andAisha moved away, which is why
we lost contact.
But another reason, and this isme being really honest, another
reason why I think we lostcontact, is we were both
drinkers in the evening.
you know, once you've had acouple of drinks, you just zone
out, and you watch television,and you do the least easiest
(19:42):
thing to do.
You're not sort of sitting therethinking, Hmm, I don't want to
be walking up and down mystairs, I want to find something
to do.
You think about other things,you think about your friends,
you plan things.
so in May, we, in April or May,we actually spent a weekend
together for the first time in10 years.
And it was wonderful.
We had the, we had the besttime, and it didn't cross our
(20:03):
minds once to have a drink.
we celebrated and laughed andhad the best time ever, better
than ever before.
And for me, if, if I hadn'tstopped drinking, and Aisha
hadn't found me through stoppingdrinking, We may not have
reconnected, and connection isprobably my greatest win with
(20:23):
stopping drinking and trustingmyself and my connections.
That the connections I'm havingare real and authentic, and I
can maintain them, and I won'tforget about them in the
morning.
Ayshea Furlong (20:34):
I totally resonate with that, that, one of
the things, that I really quitelike about it is that connection
that I have with people.
I went on a seminar, over twodays and.
You have over the, in theevening, you have to, not you
have to, it's, it's, it's a,it's a meal and you're sitting
(20:55):
there with people you don't knowand all the, lots of wine,
alcohol flowing, and I wasdrinking water, sparkling water,
and I had just amazing,conversations with two people on
either side, and found out somuch about them and, and I was
(21:19):
genuinely interested.
Whereas in previous days, Iwould have been just back the
wine and not really connectingor, or really caring about the
conversation or that person.
so that felt really positive andreally good for me.
Barry Condon (21:42):
That's really, that's great.
And I think a lot of peoplebefore you ever take a break,
you sort of think, okay, wellthe best I could imagine is,
okay, it'll be nice not wakingup with a hangover.
And, you know, people sort ofsay, you know, perhaps a bit
more energy, perhaps, you know,I'll, I'll, I'll, you know,
maybe they say you might sleep abit better or you feel a bit
more energetic.
Okay.
But, you know, you give up somuch, you know, all my best
(22:04):
times are with the drink.
I'm going to get all my best.
Yeah, connections with thedrink.
So it's really powerful to hearthat, you know, that, that
actually the reality is when youtake the drink away and get a
little bit of distance from it,you start, you know, that you
don't miss it and you're notsort of on edge in a situation
where normally you wouldpreviously drink.
I mean, to begin with, you, youmight well be, but having been
(22:26):
through a couple of cycles ofgoing to the pub or going to a
social event, you, you, youstart to trust yourself, think,
Oh, actually, no, I can do thiswithout a drink.
And actually, you know, then Ican connect properly.
Then I could be more myself andremember what's going on.
so that's, that's reallypowerful for people to
understand is that actually, youknow, it's not just, Oh, I have
a problem.
I have to stop.
(22:47):
Poor me.
And, and, and I'll look over myshoulder, you know, for the rest
of my life regretting that, youknow, I pushed it too far.
you know, I'm looking over myshoulder, wishing, you know,
scared that I might have anotherdrink and, you know, The, the,
the, the alcohol problem willget me.
It's, it's getting to that pointwhere you really, where you
remove drink, from the equationand realize actually that
(23:08):
everything in your, you know,the way you feel, your
neurochemistry is, is much morein balance.
You, you're more relaxed and,and happier.
And, and then you think, well,why would I have a drink?
Not, not, I can't have a drink.
Why would I, that would just,you know, spoil tomorrow and,
and, and probably spoil tonightas well.
So what would you say to someonewho's questioning themselves and
maybe looking to reframe their,relationship with Algar.
(23:30):
What would you say to them?
Ayshea Furlong (23:33):
be curious, if, if they're, if they're really
interested in, you know, all theconsidering or the concerned, I
mean, I wasn't even concernedabout the amount of alcohol I
was drinking.
it was, it was just about beingcurious in terms of whether you
(23:53):
can, you, what a differentperson, what person you could be
without it.
did, in, when we did the, they,Course again in July, I did or I
encouraged a friend to sort ofcome along, as well.
And, she was, you know, she wasreally, you know, amazed that, I
(24:17):
still hadn't touched any alcoholall year and she was curious.
And I think that she recognizedin herself that.
It wasn't good for her shedidn't sleep very well.
She got very overwhelmed.
She, you know, her anxiety,increased when she was drinking.
(24:37):
Whilst it made her feel betterinitially doesn't, it's not a
cure.
And she was just self medicatingall the time.
So just to be curious and togive it a go.
There's nothing, there's nothingto lose, from doing a dry
January.
(24:58):
even if you don't want to.
out of it, more knowledgeable,and understand more of the risks
and, and the, the, the health,implications that it can have
and you reduce or moderate, youralcohol.
It's been magic for me.
I mean, I still can't myselfdrinking.
(25:23):
I'm not saying I haven't had adrink all year.
because I have, I did, I didtry, a gin and tonic, recently.
did taste nice, but I didn't, Ididn't get any benefits from it.
And it actually started abouthalf an hour after I drank it
started making me feel sick.
(25:46):
My body was rejecting it.
So for me, that was a reminderthat, you know, alcohol is, is
poison for your body.
It's not good for you.
And my body was rejecting it.
I don't regret trying the ginand tonic.
It was more of a, a reminder forme on why I, I decide it's my
(26:10):
choice and decide not to drinkalcohol.
I.
I, I've had such a greatexperience from it and my life
has completely changed for thebetter many ways.
I just want other people to tryit and give it a go, because if
(26:31):
I can do it, I'm drinking, youknow, every night for 30 years
and I've been able to.
Stop.
I just believe if I can do it,anybody can do it.
Justine Clark (26:45):
I love that Aisha.
So what three words, we alwayslike to ask our guests, what
three words sort of encapsulatebeing an alcohol freedom finder
for you?
Ayshea Furlong (26:55):
okay, so liberating.
I just feel liberated.
I don't that alcohol'scontrolling me anymore because
it did, you know, it controlledme.
There was an expectation on meto drink to be the life and soul
(27:16):
of the party.
It's just liberating that I cando what I want, when I want, how
I want it.
True to myself, true to me, notintoxicated Aisha.
I think it's really, I feelreally empowered.
and I'm, I'm really proud ofmyself and I feel that I've
(27:44):
taken, you know, control, of mylife.
So I definitely feel someempowerment from that.
And also the third word would behealthy.
So, It's, it's kind of like amental health, I feel mentally
healthy.
(28:04):
whereas physically, physically,I know I'm healthy.
because a lot of, a lot of the,the stuff that's going on in
your body when you're drinking,you know, you, you don't get to
see.
so I know because I'm not.
Putting that alcohol in mysystem.
I'm a lot healthier for it, butmentally healthier, because I
(28:31):
don't have that anxiety.
I don't have that stress.
I don't beat myself up anymore.
I'm not good enough or I can'tbelieve I had another drink and,
you know, all of that.
healthier for that.
Barry Condon (28:47):
That's brilliant.
I want to just say Thank you forsharing all that with us.
But I and I want to say thanksfor coming and we could round it
all out.
But I just remind you justreminded me of that story that
you said you you you told us inJuly about your birthday and
how,
Ayshea Furlong (29:04):
Oh, that was So
Barry Condon (29:05):
was such a reminder to people to us, you
know, we're not giving anythingup, you know, you don't have to,
you know, Not enjoy things ormiss out.
So just tell us briefly abouthow about your your birthday.
Ayshea Furlong (29:18):
the big, the big 5 0 and, my, my girlfriends had,
had arranged, for us to meet, atthis bar went down to the bar.
It was, It was a cocktail bar.
I have really, really nice,really, really swanky.
And I had a mocktail.
(29:38):
I think a few of my friends havemocktails well.
and they were the best mocktailscocktails I've ever had.
Had we had, a really good laughand, it, I don't know.
It just, it just felt amazing.
I felt connected with all of myfriends.
(29:59):
And it, it's funny because I, Iwas just speaking to my friend
about it, just a couple of daysago about that very evening, and
we said that we want to go backbecause the cocktails were, were
amazing, but was.
It was about being connected,being all connected, being
together, with a special drink,but it just didn't have alcohol
(30:21):
in it.
Justine Clark (30:24):
That's the elephant in the room sure.
Alcohol doesn't need to bethere.
We can be connected, liberated,in control and healthy like you
say Aisha.
it's just wonderful to see you,be with you again and have that
connections and thank you forbeing part of our journey.
Ayshea Furlong (30:41):
Thank you.
Justine Clark (30:41):
of their hearts.
Barry Condon (30:43):
Yeah.
Thanks so much
Ayshea Furlong (30:44):
You've changed my
Barry Condon (30:45):
brilliant
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