April 25, 2025 • 33 mins
This week we're joined by our friend Courtney, who was an average middle lane drinker, when she began to question whether alcohol was still serving her.? As many of you may be now... She began to realise it didn't fit with her otherwise healthy lifestyle and started to google the usual questions…
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This is Alcohol Freedom Finders.
This week we are joined by ourfriend Courtney, who was an
average middle lane drinker whenshe began to question whether
alcohol was still serving her,as many of you may be now.
She began to realize that itdidn't fit her otherwise healthy
lifestyle and started to Googlethe usual questions.
Let's hear how she became analcohol freedom finder.
Justine Clark (00:21):
I am super excited today to welcome coach
Courtney Peters, Courtney.
with myself, Justin Clark andBarry Condon.
Courtney is a fellow coach andalso tells us she's at her
thousand days alcohol freetoday.
So she truly is an alcoholfreedom finder.
Welcome, Courtney.
Yes.
Coach Courtney Peters (00:41):
Yes.
Yes.
Thank you for having me.
I'm so glad to traveled youguys.
Barry Condon (00:45):
That's brilliant.
That's brilliant.
So, so take us back, you know, athousand days or, or take us
back a little bit further to,to, to, to where you sort of
realized that maybe alcoholwasn't, you know, all, all it
was cracked up to be.
Coach Courtney Peters (00:58):
Yeah.
I I would say there's beenchapters and the the biggest one
was was when I coach.
approach, So so before Covid Istarted with I started with
coaching at the and at the endof it.
a life life coaching program andI just knew that was what I was
meant to do at this time.
My life.
Prior to that, I was a teacher,I and I have a couple kids, and
so raising them as well.
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And the life coaching reallytake some time to time at
yourself and how you're.
you're gonna help others.
And and to to, you really turninside.
and was in this I was in coachpractice.
um, session, session.
practice coach said, oh, sowhat's something to Something
relax?
And one of my and one of myanswers was flying and I heard
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myself say that.
I'm like, okay, okay, actuallyit actually has a place that I
that I didn't wanna have that bepart of my to worry my story, my
day, my methods my care, all.
the all.
So that So that was one ofpebbles Pebbles on.
I'd say.
And then Covid hit and then.
My sister, sister, I'm one offive and five and my older
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sister got had cancer, was giventhree, was given six six months,
she was with us was 18 18months.
And so And so seeing her fightfight her life, being a piece of
again, really just, you know,again, showed me what life was,
is a gift.
gift, truly.
And then she, gave me a nudgefrom heaven.
the next next day I researchedlike crazy to to figure out what
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this alcohol thing was allabout, what coaches, like, I
didn't know about this wholenarrative.
I.
I thought go to AA AA or you'reor you're an alcoholic, or
somewhere like that.
And that's about, no swapping,like all the things we do as
coaches.
coaches.
I I love it.
And that's so passionate abouttalking about it it.
Justine Clark (02:45):
and coaching.
Oh, I love that.
I so much, I love that so.
all of a sudden the doors arethrown open.
So rather than walking down thestairs to, excuse me, a little
basement where you, you sit insecret going, oh my God, you
know, I'm, I'm so ashamed andI'm, I'm a terrible person.
Instead, we're throwing thedoors open and finding freedom
to choose.
Right.
Totally.
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And
Coach Courtney Peters (03:07):
And knowing that words matter, like,
am I gonna Am I gonna say everyday that I have a negative
thing, like, my whole life.
my whole life.
is Mental attitude, so there'sabsolutely no way that that
match.
I'm like, this doesn't make anysense.
But I do, I feel like around,didn't know the word anxiety.
That was a another opening Ididn't know that I didn't know
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that was a thing.
I thought I was the only feltfelt the day after the day
after.
that By By that point, atdrinking.
like I didn't I didn't, know,like like didn't.
didn't, Yeah, relationships workin jeopardy.
I got a job and I, with my life,it just this mental, I called
like, you know, the the, youknow, devil and the angel.
The cognitive dissonance Allthese terms I didn't know were
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terms, so so in our coachtraining, learning about it
learning about it and getting toknow each other, I feel just
feel like all all shared a lotof these things.
okay, wait, there is Anotheroption, there's another place.
to In terms of terms of and andwellness and and and that words.
really do matter.
And how we tell our story toourself matters.
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And so, Yeah.
No.
Here a thousand days.
Barry Condon (04:16):
Oh, that's brilliant.
I mean, yeah.
Congratulations.
I mean, yeah, and I, I, I wasexactly the same.
I thought, you know, AA was theonly, you know, alternative to
carrying on drinking, and thatkept me there for so long.
I just thought, well, I've gottahang on because I don't want to
be one of them.
'cause I can't see myself asthat.
And, and, you know, if you stopthen you'll just be looking over
your shoulder and, and, andmiserable and, yeah, no, it, it,
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it for me, you know.
Understanding that actually, youknow, you could look at it
differently and you can, haveknow, have that, you know, the
understanding that cognitivedistance, it doesn't just mean
I'm useless, sticking to what Isay I'm gonna do, it's because,
you know.
There are things going on insideyou.
There are, there aresubconscious choices.
You know, most of your choiceshappen subconsciously, and you
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know, until you start beingaware of them, then you can't,
you can't relate to them.
You can't, you know, reprogramthem and, yeah.
No, it's, it's, it's, you know,it's a wonderful, wonderful
thing to, to realize thatthere's an, there is another way
of looking at it.
And just that first.
You know, someone I heardsomeone talking about, you know,
to today, like the, the firststep and the first thing in, in
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AA is to admit you're powerless.
And you think, well, well, Ireally didn't want to do that.
I, I wanted to be able to fixthis.
I wanted to be able to find myway out and find freedom.
And, and, so so tell us, sowhat, what, what was, you know,
you know, what were those earlydays like?
How, how, how, how did youactually sort of physically go
from drinking drinking, youknow, red wine being the thing
to relax and then, you know.
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That not being the case?
Coach Courtney Peters (05:41):
Yeah, sure.
Yeah, sure.
So I picked a really good time,history of history of the
alcohol free products to do thisbecause they were they were
starting to come out and.
it.
it Really big part of my planplan.
like I pick the summer, so thisis July on Cape Cod and
Massachusetts was just like abeach town living.
And And I'm like, if I could doit here, I can do it anywhere,
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first of all.
First And my my biggest toolschool, I help I help myself
myself with.
day day a day goal.
And.
really trying to get to thatpoint and Trying To to moderate,
which is which headache and isanother headache and another for
me that became a real, real,anxiety leader, fear, I would
(06:25):
say, I would say, because Iwould do actually, I would do.
you know, there's whateverserves people.
I really Congratulate figuringthat figuring that out.
Love.
in I I think it works for them.
whatever whatever works for you.
I think that's I think that'sgreat.
moderation apps, apps, that ifthat works for people, great.
It did not work not for me.
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Living alcohol is so much easierthan all of that.
that.
Tracking my drinks, figuring outwhich ones to have.
So with all that kind of kind oflifestyle stuff just brought I
just brought that alcohol.
alcohol free month.
Be like, okay, if I was intointo that, me find something
else that won't feel so likewhite duckling and like trying
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to figure this out without much.
So the the products were big Andthen then asking the asking a
question my, after my thecourse, 31 point, point, what
what alcohol served and and isit worth is it worth?
it back or should I going.
going?
And that's what I kept doing.
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And so then around day 90, day.
Which is Is big anothermilestone in our world, but it
really is a different mindset.
Neural pathways are Pathwaysyou're building.
You're really getting a littlebit more comfortable in this I
committed I here here.
and so once I so once I took allthe, the table table, then I
really like figure I like livingthis living more bit
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confidently, a little bit morecomfortably.
comfort.
but yeah, but yeah, was thosebenchmark points and that's why
it's really exciting thattoday's a thousand days.
Because because this is likeThis is like my last one.
big.
big one.
Justine Clark (08:03):
But look, a thousand days is extraordinary
for someone who's drunk everyday or thought about alcohol
every day and how much theycould have and not have it, it,
we just need to sit and thinkabout that for a minute.
How many, how many Christmasesis that?
How many birthdays is that?
How many celebrations is that?
How many Friday nights?
Tired?
How many Saturday night goingout?
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That's a lot, Courtney.
And that's amazing.
Coach Courtney Peters (08:26):
Yeah.
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So whether you want to stopaltogether, or just become a
(08:48):
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program, and you won't regretit.
Because no one ever woke up inthe morning and said, I wish I'd
had more to drink last night,did they?
Back to the episode.
Justine Clark (09:07):
what I love is that you created, what you've
done in your own practice iscreated a framework.
We need a framework for success.
hour, one minute, whatever itis.
Just get through that nextminute, 10 minutes.
I'm gonna wait 10 minutes andthen I'm gonna decide again and
so on.
And, and, and you've built onthat one minute to 1000 days.
(09:31):
And, and also, I just wanted tosay one thing about you being a
health coach.
I mean, the science is there.
They know that, they know thatalcohol destroys mitochondria.
Without mitochondria, we aregonna get psoriasis of the
liver.
are going to, you know, the, thescience is there.
So health coach and drinkingwine, you know, you've got that
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disconnect.
So it, it feels to me like youhave pieced together what works
for you.
And not only have you got to athousand days, but you are now
sharing that with, your clients.
Right.
Yeah.
Coach Courtney Peters (10:06):
And a lot of my clients, already already
alcohol free.
Tried it it before before andand really, with a living world.
part.
Yes.
living so living alcohol free.
So what I did with that story isthat first my first summer
research.
I research, I figure out, out,the space again.
I was already a coach.
I'm like, okay, this must be athing, a field.
And that's when I startedstarted researching health
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alcohol free and what that andlooks like and Programs online,
offline, everything.
And back then There was Therewas a alcohol.
It still Still is, but that wasa big one.
Alcohol free lifestyle.
I'm like, oh, that's I, that'scool.
I the Lifestyle, that, but I'mgonna put living first because I
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don't I don't alcohol free to bemy story.
either.
Quite frankly, Alcohol became ain my head.
I didn't want I didn't wannaalcohol all all either.
That's when last was born.
and then Kind of kind of sixmonths in my my first, first my
first six months.
That's when, to decide to coachBut, and pregnant with me.
But that's it's because How dowe How do you feel those habits?
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How do we calm calm our nervoussystem without alcohol?
Like all the.
things we thought it did for us,which.
which all it didn't, we allfound out it doesn't do any of
those things.
That's where my coaching comesin.
It's like how can we replacereplace this to help not only
what not only what we thoughtalcohol did, but to actually
help serve person to actuallyfeel actually feel better,
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routines, our systems socialize.
happy.
Be
Barry Condon (11:35):
be happy.
Brilliant.
I mean, I love that that laliving alcohol free laugh is,
is, is, is a great tagline.
You can really, you can reallygrab onto that.
I love it.
Coach Courtney Peters (11:45):
thanks.
Barry Condon (11:46):
and it's so true that, that, that, the way,
You've spent you, yeah.
When you realize, oh, actuallyit's not doing all the things
that it, that we thought it wasdoing, and actually we're not
gonna be giving, you know, wethink always through thoughts,
you know, you've gotta give upalcohol or you can't do it
anymore.
And, and, you're not allowed to.
And actually when you realize,you know, and that was when I
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went, went looking, I was like,well, okay, I've decided I'm, I,
I want to stop.
And I, yeah, maybe I felt like Ineeded to stop, but how was
like, how do I make this okay?
And then you go looking and yougo.
Oh, there's a whole differentway of looking at it.
Actually.
This is a positive thing and it,and it's, you know, you, you,
you get freedom and you get allthese things back and you feel
much better because you're notdoing it.
And so reason there's no reasonto go back to it.
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There's no reason to miss it.
And there's no reason to, to, toregret, you know, you're not
missing out.
And that, that's just such an,an amazing thing.
And, do you have any experienceswith, with clients, for example,
that, that where you can sort ofthink, you know, you know, when
you see those light bulbmoments, going off for them.
Coach Courtney Peters (12:45):
Totally, Totally, because I think when
we're reading reading about it,watching.
'cause a lot of people arewatching, this, right?
And right?
they a break or they dosomething.
There's a lot, I believe.
believe of time prior of justbeing curious and interested.
And then when they When theycome to me, it's really not
removing, You so I don't, that'swhat you know, that's what we
talk about and like, yeah, Ilike I see people do it talking
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about like, it's switching, likethe switch it, really doesn't
really happen.
I'm like, yes, I promise.
Like if it happen, because feelsso poor so of like, like, wait,
I drinking, socializing nowthere's now talking about about.
alcohol and this like Likeswitch happens and they realize
it's not fomo, it's this stuff,this stuff, and it feels so,
wow, does that wow, does thatreally happen and really
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happens.
happens?
when they do that So when.
switch and they that, you knowwhat, it doesn't.
serve me.
And so much better.
That That is like like the workthat is, that's the magic.
And I always and I always end mypost with, you're you work with
the working alcohol is not.
not.
the only and the only way.
out is taking it.
a break.
Justine Clark (13:51):
Yeah, for sure.
And I think, you know, for mepersonally, my biggest fear, I
dunno about yours.
My biggest fear was, you know, Icouldn't even address, maybe not
ever drinking again.
That was not even a, a thought Icould possibly have, but I, I
didn't even think I could.
I knew I could do a month, but Ididn't even entertain the
thought that I could live a lifewithout alcohol.
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That was not even, I couldn'teven entertain that thought.
I know about you.
Yeah, it
Coach Courtney Peters (14:18):
Yeah, it.
radar because it.
again, it came back to I didn'tknow anyone who, and I think
that's why we all talk aboutthis.
I didn't know really anybody whodidn't drink because it's a it's
a of the choice.
they had And they had drankbefore and they and they weren't
in the alcoholic.
alcoholic space.
(14:39):
I know I mean, I know that don'tdrink because.
reason or they're just not intoit.
But, people that went from Tonot.
not, This is I think the newnarrative.
The new narrative, Yes.
It's it's all of us talkingabout it, saying, you know what?
We did drink.
don't We don't have itnecessarily now people, that's
fine.
But story, I was in the I was inthe middle, a they say drinker,
middle middle middle lane, otherall these other terms.
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And that's basically where a lotwhere a lot of us are.
We ran in We land in that spot.
that spot.
And then and then when you findcome find out like.
the Healthy Servings, then,then, now it's but But back when
I.
when I was researchingresearching and the all the
questions Google, like hopingfor the fact that I'm okay.
all that is, know, you know, nowthe answers coming.
narrative This narrative up,right?
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It's like, wait, you drink?
right?
okay.
No shame in the game anymore,but let's live without it.
See how that, that so that'swhat I love what I about this
because no, I did not I.
my 30 day saying, I've nevernever drinking absolutely, not.
absolutely not.
I started by saying, I want thisto stop.
I want this cycle to end.
I I Just drink.
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I want, if if I want, I don't,and not call it not quality
moderation, it calling it thatwork, had had messed with my
head a little but but just justto be like oh, that in a while.
And then I got to the point, AndI think And I think a people say
this, it could, but I but I.
don't want it.
I really don't.
And it makes me kind of like,like feel funny about thinking
about that, physically, but forme, knowing the science behind
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it, it, voice that it's, it thethe it causes, there's there's
absolutely it.
it.
But I.
I wouldn't have known that 1,001days ago.
Barry Condon (16:17):
Right.
Yeah.
And I think it's, it's, it's,the focus is always
traditionally and, and logicallythe focus is always on the
behavior.
And, and everyone wants tochange the behavior and, and
stop that, you know, whatever itis, you know, out of control or
over drinking behavior, withouttrying to understand what's,
what's driving it, why, why isalcohol, so, you know,
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compulsive or, you know, it'saddictive.
and, and.
Yep.
There's sort of things that weknow, but we don't really think
through, and we sort of think,you know, we, we, you know,
logically if you think about it,yeah, alcohol is addictive and,
and, and so why would it not beaddictive to everybody?
You know, and people, you know,why would it be just some people
and, and you know, the sciencenow bears that out, you know,
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and of course there'll be, youknow, your situation is
different and yoursusceptibility to, to, to what
everything is and what pushesyour buttons might be slightly
different to other people's.
But, when you start to break itdown and start thinking about.
The substance and the, the, the,the, the way that you, you know,
your situation and, how we'remarketed to and, and how sub,
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you know, how, how your, ourculture is, is built around the
drinking.
Then you can start to see it,see it differently and as you'll
slow it down and it suddenlystarts to lose, its, its
footing, it's using its powerbecause you think, well,
actually it's just another,unhealthy, compulsive, you know,
unhealthy, dopamine driven,behavior or, or substance that,
(17:41):
that, that, know, you know, youneed to, need to tread carefully
with.
And, you know, just like, youknow, a cigarette is, or, or, or
cocaine might be.
And, and, and, you know, anyother, you know, too much sugar,
too much, you know, of, of, of alot of these things that, that
are driven by dopamine.
Coach Courtney Peters (17:57):
resonate with resonate with that though,
because I would say I would saythe year after Covid, like the
like, 20, 20 21, that's when alot of products came out that
were lower alcohol, alcohol.
organic wine.
all I.
those skinny cans we have here,it's like like White Claw and
like all.
This low alcohol crap that youjust you just like, that into
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the scene.
Okay, well okay, these areoptions.
Right?
And then I think about are youthyouth and and look, they look.
You know, it's all market asknow, but it's just it's just
all over the place.
And how, you you know, low, canyou.
on marketing and I did.
did I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh,that's like 0.5%.
You know?
You know?
That's fine.
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so I And so I figured out thepath and then, but it's it's but
it's still, and and that's whatI also wanna just around around
is the, itself and and how,organic There's companies here
in the states that, that, youknow, you the are healthier And
I'm like, you know, you're not,not, still wine, there's still
alcohol.
And that's, that's the trickypiece though, because you're,
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you know, coming from, from, mystory, just kind of trying to
figure it out, out.
that was another level of, so.
of figuring something out andkeeping it in rather, if I did
like if I, January, did when Idid, I did a whole third and I
did and I did that in January.
Well, Well, February 1st, I justsaid, I just drink to celebrate
that I did that rather than keepgoing.
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the difference this time, time.
That's what I mean is I wouldask the right questions
question.
of just, oh, oh, it.
You know, know?
more of a thoughtful way justignoring all those products
because it gets a little, alittle
Justine Clark (19:40):
I, I, I couldn't agree more.
And what I More is.
What you're is.
What you're talking about thatwe like to do is you do the 30
days and you're still basicallypotentially the same person with
the same beliefs.
But what we do in our coachingis as the behavior changes,
which you, you pause thedrinking, we've got behavior
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change and science that comes upto meet us.
So it's like, I don't know ifyou guys have ever swung in the
Mediterranean, it's differentwater to anywhere in the world.
You can actually step into thewater slowly.
Lean back and completely floatsuspended.
So it's like no other water.
It holds you completely.
(20:21):
And that's how I see what ourcoaching does for our clients.
The, the, the, the science andthe behavior change and that
understanding comes up fromunderneath to meet us.
And we become so buoyed up thatwe go, holy moly, there's a,
there's another way to do this.
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and you are free to, free tofloat, right?
Coach Courtney Peters (20:46):
Yeah, that's good.
Yeah, that's
Barry Condon (20:48):
Do you say, is that really in the, in the, in
the Mediterranean or do you meanthe, the, the Red Sea or the, or
the what is it the, no.
Justine Clark (20:54):
like, I, I
Barry Condon (20:55):
Okay.
I've not noticed it.
Justine Clark (20:56):
especially, I mean, been lucky enough to
travel to Greece and Turkey.
And lucky enough in the last fewyears to do it without, feeling
anxiety and a hangover.
So I, I'm noticing these things,so yeah, I just want, actually,
why don't you all audience goand test your, the, the C that
is nearby you this and see how,how floaty it is and if it's not
(21:19):
that floaty, my hot tip is, holda full breath.
'cause that ear in your bellywill allow you to float and,
and, and, and think of us.
Think of us coaches then,because that's what we are here
to help you do.
We are here to bore you up andhelp you float.
So back to you, Courtney.
What would you say with, what'syour, you talked about having a
(21:39):
flag in the sand.
What's your flag in the sandwith, with your coaching?
So I think
Coach Courtney Peters (21:45):
So I think my plan is self care.
life so my life goes clients, Iclients and my laugh everyone, I
think it's so important And howand self do self care in terms
of our on our own priorities andand it it like, it's it's fairly
important that we think ofourselves.
And I did a I ended talking ofmy town two too, actually.
(22:08):
at and, and one of my exercisesis take out a take out a piece
of paper and write down to threeto five people that you take
take care of about, plan
Justine Clark (22:18):
And I let them,
Coach Courtney Peters (22:19):
them, you know, give em a list, right?
write.
And I say, And I say, are youon?
list?
No, I'm No, I'm.
know what?
I think about Think about allthese people and so my goal for
my clients is that they're onown time the time you work we,
even just a few because thatcould that could be that could
that could, it could be it couldbe observing life.
(22:39):
we've got a lot going on on herein the States.
And And how do how you en engagewith news?
How do you do you care for your,your peace?
How do you, you know.
you, know.
you know, Goes for everybody, itis my clients or my grow clients
and bro meets, get real outcomesby my coaching program.
life coaching program And Andit's carving carving ourselves.
(23:03):
And then for folks, it's thehealthy swaps, it's the making a
making a plan, having our havingour lives, keeping keeping our
motivations going, but part ofthat is the self piece How does
and how does that look, feel ifeverybody's, but that's what I
that's my biggest biggest lackplan.
is.
Barry Condon (23:23):
Brilliant.
I mean that, and that's again,that's that, that not missing
out and, and, you know, doingstuff for yourself and making it
a positive thing and changing,you know, then you, why you're
doing it is, is it becomes more,it's much easier to run towards
a better life.
Than it is to sort of, to, to,to try and run away from, from,
from one that, that, wasn'tserving you.
And
Coach Courtney Peters (23:43):
then it's Good resource for not drinking,
right?
Because like when Because likewhen sugar is the fan things are
are stressful, might have.
that might have been our go-to.
So we So we really have to havethat toolkit, like ready to
ready to go if things if thingshappen that, or, or, anything to
help us through that.
do that.
my, my goal is have those bepositive things, things that
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nourish us and us healthyhealthy and, feel good.
good.
And alcohol has that littlefeeling for 20 minutes.
That's what.
what laugh clients a lot of usare used to.
So to Have a.
a plan Place when things aren'tgonna, going to.
As when things are are what?
What do we do for that?
for that?
Barry Condon (24:25):
Yeah, really good.
I think that that sort ofanticipating, scenarios where a
drink would be your go-to and,and, and having an idea.
Okay, so.
I can, I can feel that comingon, but I know, you know, I've,
I've thought ahead, you know,and I'm gonna treat myself with
this instead, or I'm gonna, I'mgonna take my mind off it by
going for a run or doing, youknow, doing something.
(24:46):
yeah, like replacing the, the,the, the, the, the negative
cycle with something, somethingpositive.
Yeah.
Really good.
do you have any.
sort of surprising things thatthat happened, over the thousand
days that you sort of think, youknow, he, he never thought that
would be possible or he neverthought that might happen, or,
uh📍📍📍📍📍📍Be be happy.
(25:08):
Brilliant.
I mean, I love that that la uh,living alcohol free laugh is,
is, is, is a great tagline.
You can really, you can reallygrab onto that.
I love it.
📍📍📍📍📍📍Be be happy.
Brilliant.
I mean, I love that that la uh,living alcohol free laugh is,
(25:30):
is, is, is a great tagline.
You can really, you can reallygrab onto that.
I love it.
Coach Courtney Peters (25:37):
quite frankly.
For sure.
I used used to, to I used tohear them about different
topics.
cool.
oh, that's cool.
And honestly, honestly, that'sone of the biggest ones, telling
my story in a comfortable way.
I really really hard on I Iworked hard on living through
the shadows, working through theshadows, negative parts of
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alcohol.
I myself.
I, have a magic a magic postright now that that UK do a lot
of lot lot journeys and and andstill.
I still, I mean, there's, lifeis still still there to work on
and be supported on and, thatwas a that was a big part of
this.
So I, grounded in who I'm, amand.
who Who I I.
(26:19):
and what I share, because I'mnot going going back.
Like for me, coaching iscoaching, now lower.
So so course I resonate withpeople.
Yes, of course this is still mylife.
course, I can bring in past toour sessions of, of, their their
story.
My story of course, I but Idon't start with start with,
(26:41):
know I don't, I start with thethree problems that cognitive,
dissonance, anxiety, and teamthat got me pretty in a loop a
that I just didn't wanna, be onon anymore.
And I and I feared this changebecause I didn't know that this
was out.
So Right.
So those were like kind of like,my, landmarks.
and then then now now like thisstill free because I don't go I
(27:06):
don't go like you're not this.
Seen me on Instagram or so muchlike before and after, after,
like, that's not gonna, jam.
I'll talk I.
using words, but, you know,pictures of snapshot.
you, It really was for me, youhaven't, mental.
Justine Clark (27:21):
seen Barry's Abs in his after shot.
Courtney, maybe you would changeyour mind if you saw her.
That's true.
That's.
Coach Courtney Peters (27:29):
awesome.
That's fair.
That's fair.
That's, no, that's good.
That's good.
That's good.
I think I think they're, that'sjust not my, you you know, there
were dark points and I've workedthrough them and, you.
you know, that's part of thework is Or you're gonna hold
let, let go or what for me it's,you know, know, sharing with
clients and and that's about it.
it.
Justine Clark (27:49):
love that so much.
And what I, what I love mostabout I.
people, when you go into, go toa party and you say no to a
slice of cake, people go, ohyeah, she's watching a weight,
or, you know, whatever.
But Whatever, go and say, but.
don't want to have a drink,you're somehow expected to tell
some kind of.
Story about why you, did you,did you lose your license?
is there something wrong withyou?
(28:10):
Why don't you what you know?
Oh, it's because you've got suchand such a disease.
Oh, I get it.
They need to, need to kind ofput a label about at tribute why
you may have stopped, but Ithink, think, as I'll ask you as
well.
I knew, when I when I wasdrinking that.
not to drink.
That it's more than okay not todrink, and I, I don't owe
(28:32):
anything to anybody.
I don't need to drink to makethem feel more comfortable and I
don't need to drink to makemyself feel more comfortable.
What about you, Courtney?
Totally.
Coach Courtney Peters (28:41):
Totally.
And The, narrative is changing.
I just did a health and wellnessfair on Saturday, Saturday, and
and one woman this one womanand.
I were talking and she's like,yeah, a lot of my friends have
stopped drinking.
I'm drinking.
okay, cool.
cool.
Like, it's really starting tobuild momentum and hope that
that question gets getssquashed.
I'm like, oh, like, oh wait,what happened?
(29:01):
that one, you know, that's Sofrustrating, but it's so real
real because I I think you wouldask yourself that that too, it's
an, it's an exclusive membersclub, right?
That's what it is.
Yeah.
it's an inclusive members club.
Even better.
Hmm.
Inclusive?
Yes.
Barry Condon (29:18):
certainly that, that's the way.
I wish, I wish I'd looked at itI thought of it like catching
the plague, you know, the notdrinking, not being allowed to
drink thing.
Oh my God,, I don't wanna get,don't want things to get that
bad that I have to not drink.
it kept me trapped for 10 yearsprobably that I was sort of
struggling with in thatmoderation, phase where, where
I'm trying to sort of make dealswith myself
Coach Courtney Peters (29:36):
Mm-hmm.
Barry Condon (29:37):
and waking up, Frustrated.
Ashamed and, starting the daywith the anxiety and, and, yeah.
And just, realizing that thatwas all, a waste of a waste of
time.
It didn't need to be, you know,and so, yeah, if anybody's out
there thinking, I'm struggling,I'm struggling, you know, it's
not what it used to be.
I used to really enjoy it.
And now it's becoming.
Something that I'm losingcontrol of.
Yeah.
There is help.
if you, resonate with, withCourtney or, or either of either
(29:59):
Justine or us, you know, oranybody else, you know, just
keep looking and, and find, amethodology and a way out and a
way to freedom there'sdefinitely, definitely hope
there.
So, speaking of alcohol freedomfinding, have you got three
words for us that, that sum upyour journey to finding alcohol
freedom?
Coach Courtney Peters (30:17):
Yes.
Yes.
purpose, I.
I I think because as as ascoaches gives it gives us that.
momentum.
So when I So when I pivoted to Iadd left math, my coaching
practice, it it just gave thatthan me feeling of being as a
mom, right?
right, of I think it shouldchange in life.
(30:40):
Like, Like, look at this, out todinner for tonight.
tonight.
Like how cool is that?
to celebrate Celebrate Mom daycount?
Day.
Like Like, it's really exciting.
purpose greater than myself.
And so And came mind toalignment because I think I
think alignment was is reallythat, you know, you know,
cognitive complaints piece ofbeing a coach, working myself,
(31:04):
loving the health And wellnessworld.
And it's totally fun aligned byremoving out removing.
alcohol, free from it.
it.
The alignment Alignment justfeels, and.
and and not that My whole IED mywhole life before, but I feel
but I feel stronger strongernow.
And I now.
in this chapter in my life,life, a I.
us in their This is this is anice time a nice time to feel
(31:27):
that, as we as we evolve and Andgo into this this, that so that
feels awesome.
And then is my third part.
third word.
Justine Clark (31:34):
Pep.
Barry Condon (31:35):
Okay.
Justine Clark (31:36):
Purpose,
Barry Condon (31:37):
Perfect.
Justine Clark (31:38):
Courtney, I love love it.
Barry Condon (31:39):
Great.
Justine Clark (31:40):
Courtney.
I honestly, I, I could speak toyou all day.
and I know that you're doingsuch great work.
I see that you've just got, aprogram launched.
Why don't you tell everybodywhere they can find you and what
you're doing right now?
Coach Courtney Peters (31:53):
Sure.
So my So my website is.
pma coach courtney.com.
So positive mental latitude, butPMA, and Launched my second.
second, so two self-careself-guided courses, so so.
me in a video, daily video, butprovide worksheets and that and
but you do it on you do on yourown, a it's course that you
(32:16):
online, I'm which I'm reallyexcited about.
I felt that clients clients andprospective clients I spoke
with, some people might not beready for one-on-one coaching
The some piece or something, soI so I wanted to.
fill that, space to offer thingsto people that I'm really I'm
(32:37):
like into about selfcare gonnabe gonna be a this, this called.
um.
Um, And so and so that's reallyexciting That 2025, Five, and
it's it's happening.
So that's that's
Barry Condon (32:49):
excellent.
I, we'll put the links in, inthe, in the show notes, so,
yeah, people will be able tofind you.
That's, that's great.
Well, I mean, it's, it's beenwonderful.
Thanks a lot, Courtney, andwe'll speak to you again soon.
Coach Courtney Peters (32:59):
you for having me.
This was great.
I can speak to you guys all daytoo.
all day too.
This is Alcohol Freedom Finders.
This week we are joined by ourfriend Courtney, who was an
average middle lane drinker whenshe began to question whether
alcohol was still serving her,as many of you may be now.
She began to realize that itdidn't fit her otherwise healthy
lifestyle and started to Googlethe usual questions.
Let's hear how she became analcohol freedom finder.
Justine Clark (00:21):
I am super excited today to welcome coach
Courtney Peters, Courtney.
with myself, Justin Clark andBarry Condon.
Courtney is a fellow coach andalso tells us she's at her
thousand days alcohol freetoday.
So she truly is an alcoholfreedom finder.
Welcome, Courtney.
Yes.
Coach Courtney Peters (00:41):
Yes.
Yes.
Thank you for having me.
I'm so glad to traveled youguys.
Barry Condon (00:45):
That's brilliant.
That's brilliant.
So, so take us back, you know, athousand days or, or take us
back a little bit further to,to, to, to where you sort of
realized that maybe alcoholwasn't, you know, all, all it
was cracked up to be.
Coach Courtney Peters (00:58):
Yeah.
I I would say there's beenchapters and the the biggest one
was was when I coach.
approach, So so before Covid Istarted with I started with
coaching at the and at the endof it.
a life life coaching program andI just knew that was what I was
meant to do at this time.
My life.
Prior to that, I was a teacher,I and I have a couple kids, and
so raising them as well.
(01:19):
And the life coaching reallytake some time to time at
yourself and how you're.
you're gonna help others.
And and to to, you really turninside.
and was in this I was in coachpractice.
um, session, session.
practice coach said, oh, sowhat's something to Something
relax?
And one of my and one of myanswers was flying and I heard
(01:42):
myself say that.
I'm like, okay, okay, actuallyit actually has a place that I
that I didn't wanna have that bepart of my to worry my story, my
day, my methods my care, all.
the all.
So that So that was one ofpebbles Pebbles on.
I'd say.
And then Covid hit and then.
My sister, sister, I'm one offive and five and my older
(02:04):
sister got had cancer, was giventhree, was given six six months,
she was with us was 18 18months.
And so And so seeing her fightfight her life, being a piece of
again, really just, you know,again, showed me what life was,
is a gift.
gift, truly.
And then she, gave me a nudgefrom heaven.
the next next day I researchedlike crazy to to figure out what
(02:27):
this alcohol thing was allabout, what coaches, like, I
didn't know about this wholenarrative.
I.
I thought go to AA AA or you'reor you're an alcoholic, or
somewhere like that.
And that's about, no swapping,like all the things we do as
coaches.
coaches.
I I love it.
And that's so passionate abouttalking about it it.
Justine Clark (02:45):
and coaching.
Oh, I love that.
I so much, I love that so.
all of a sudden the doors arethrown open.
So rather than walking down thestairs to, excuse me, a little
basement where you, you sit insecret going, oh my God, you
know, I'm, I'm so ashamed andI'm, I'm a terrible person.
Instead, we're throwing thedoors open and finding freedom
to choose.
Right.
Totally.
(03:06):
And
Coach Courtney Peters (03:07):
And knowing that words matter, like,
am I gonna Am I gonna say everyday that I have a negative
thing, like, my whole life.
my whole life.
is Mental attitude, so there'sabsolutely no way that that
match.
I'm like, this doesn't make anysense.
But I do, I feel like around,didn't know the word anxiety.
That was a another opening Ididn't know that I didn't know
(03:28):
that was a thing.
I thought I was the only feltfelt the day after the day
after.
that By By that point, atdrinking.
like I didn't I didn't, know,like like didn't.
didn't, Yeah, relationships workin jeopardy.
I got a job and I, with my life,it just this mental, I called
like, you know, the the, youknow, devil and the angel.
The cognitive dissonance Allthese terms I didn't know were
(03:52):
terms, so so in our coachtraining, learning about it
learning about it and getting toknow each other, I feel just
feel like all all shared a lotof these things.
okay, wait, there is Anotheroption, there's another place.
to In terms of terms of and andwellness and and and that words.
really do matter.
And how we tell our story toourself matters.
(04:12):
And so, Yeah.
No.
Here a thousand days.
Barry Condon (04:16):
Oh, that's brilliant.
I mean, yeah.
Congratulations.
I mean, yeah, and I, I, I wasexactly the same.
I thought, you know, AA was theonly, you know, alternative to
carrying on drinking, and thatkept me there for so long.
I just thought, well, I've gottahang on because I don't want to
be one of them.
'cause I can't see myself asthat.
And, and, you know, if you stopthen you'll just be looking over
your shoulder and, and, andmiserable and, yeah, no, it, it,
(04:39):
it for me, you know.
Understanding that actually, youknow, you could look at it
differently and you can, haveknow, have that, you know, the
understanding that cognitivedistance, it doesn't just mean
I'm useless, sticking to what Isay I'm gonna do, it's because,
you know.
There are things going on insideyou.
There are, there aresubconscious choices.
You know, most of your choiceshappen subconsciously, and you
(05:00):
know, until you start beingaware of them, then you can't,
you can't relate to them.
You can't, you know, reprogramthem and, yeah.
No, it's, it's, it's, you know,it's a wonderful, wonderful
thing to, to realize thatthere's an, there is another way
of looking at it.
And just that first.
You know, someone I heardsomeone talking about, you know,
to today, like the, the firststep and the first thing in, in
(05:20):
AA is to admit you're powerless.
And you think, well, well, Ireally didn't want to do that.
I, I wanted to be able to fixthis.
I wanted to be able to find myway out and find freedom.
And, and, so so tell us, sowhat, what, what was, you know,
you know, what were those earlydays like?
How, how, how, how did youactually sort of physically go
from drinking drinking, youknow, red wine being the thing
to relax and then, you know.
(05:40):
That not being the case?
Coach Courtney Peters (05:41):
Yeah, sure.
Yeah, sure.
So I picked a really good time,history of history of the
alcohol free products to do thisbecause they were they were
starting to come out and.
it.
it Really big part of my planplan.
like I pick the summer, so thisis July on Cape Cod and
Massachusetts was just like abeach town living.
And And I'm like, if I could doit here, I can do it anywhere,
(06:03):
first of all.
First And my my biggest toolschool, I help I help myself
myself with.
day day a day goal.
And.
really trying to get to thatpoint and Trying To to moderate,
which is which headache and isanother headache and another for
me that became a real, real,anxiety leader, fear, I would
(06:25):
say, I would say, because Iwould do actually, I would do.
you know, there's whateverserves people.
I really Congratulate figuringthat figuring that out.
Love.
in I I think it works for them.
whatever whatever works for you.
I think that's I think that'sgreat.
moderation apps, apps, that ifthat works for people, great.
It did not work not for me.
(06:47):
Living alcohol is so much easierthan all of that.
that.
Tracking my drinks, figuring outwhich ones to have.
So with all that kind of kind oflifestyle stuff just brought I
just brought that alcohol.
alcohol free month.
Be like, okay, if I was intointo that, me find something
else that won't feel so likewhite duckling and like trying
(07:08):
to figure this out without much.
So the the products were big Andthen then asking the asking a
question my, after my thecourse, 31 point, point, what
what alcohol served and and isit worth is it worth?
it back or should I going.
going?
And that's what I kept doing.
(07:30):
And so then around day 90, day.
Which is Is big anothermilestone in our world, but it
really is a different mindset.
Neural pathways are Pathwaysyou're building.
You're really getting a littlebit more comfortable in this I
committed I here here.
and so once I so once I took allthe, the table table, then I
really like figure I like livingthis living more bit
(07:50):
confidently, a little bit morecomfortably.
comfort.
but yeah, but yeah, was thosebenchmark points and that's why
it's really exciting thattoday's a thousand days.
Because because this is likeThis is like my last one.
big.
big one.
Justine Clark (08:03):
But look, a thousand days is extraordinary
for someone who's drunk everyday or thought about alcohol
every day and how much theycould have and not have it, it,
we just need to sit and thinkabout that for a minute.
How many, how many Christmasesis that?
How many birthdays is that?
How many celebrations is that?
How many Friday nights?
Tired?
How many Saturday night goingout?
(08:24):
That's a lot, Courtney.
And that's amazing.
Coach Courtney Peters (08:26):
Yeah.
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It's a great place to start.
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So whether you want to stopaltogether, or just become a
(08:48):
more mindful and moderatedrinker, why don't you give it a
crack?
Use the link in the show notesto sign up to our next 30 day
program, and you won't regretit.
Because no one ever woke up inthe morning and said, I wish I'd
had more to drink last night,did they?
Back to the episode.
Justine Clark (09:07):
what I love is that you created, what you've
done in your own practice iscreated a framework.
We need a framework for success.
hour, one minute, whatever itis.
Just get through that nextminute, 10 minutes.
I'm gonna wait 10 minutes andthen I'm gonna decide again and
so on.
And, and, and you've built onthat one minute to 1000 days.
(09:31):
And, and also, I just wanted tosay one thing about you being a
health coach.
I mean, the science is there.
They know that, they know thatalcohol destroys mitochondria.
Without mitochondria, we aregonna get psoriasis of the
liver.
are going to, you know, the, thescience is there.
So health coach and drinkingwine, you know, you've got that
(09:53):
disconnect.
So it, it feels to me like youhave pieced together what works
for you.
And not only have you got to athousand days, but you are now
sharing that with, your clients.
Right.
Yeah.
Coach Courtney Peters (10:06):
And a lot of my clients, already already
alcohol free.
Tried it it before before andand really, with a living world.
part.
Yes.
living so living alcohol free.
So what I did with that story isthat first my first summer
research.
I research, I figure out, out,the space again.
I was already a coach.
I'm like, okay, this must be athing, a field.
And that's when I startedstarted researching health
(10:27):
alcohol free and what that andlooks like and Programs online,
offline, everything.
And back then There was Therewas a alcohol.
It still Still is, but that wasa big one.
Alcohol free lifestyle.
I'm like, oh, that's I, that'scool.
I the Lifestyle, that, but I'mgonna put living first because I
(10:47):
don't I don't alcohol free to bemy story.
either.
Quite frankly, Alcohol became ain my head.
I didn't want I didn't wannaalcohol all all either.
That's when last was born.
and then Kind of kind of sixmonths in my my first, first my
first six months.
That's when, to decide to coachBut, and pregnant with me.
But that's it's because How dowe How do you feel those habits?
(11:11):
How do we calm calm our nervoussystem without alcohol?
Like all the.
things we thought it did for us,which.
which all it didn't, we allfound out it doesn't do any of
those things.
That's where my coaching comesin.
It's like how can we replacereplace this to help not only
what not only what we thoughtalcohol did, but to actually
help serve person to actuallyfeel actually feel better,
(11:31):
routines, our systems socialize.
happy.
Be
Barry Condon (11:35):
be happy.
Brilliant.
I mean, I love that that laliving alcohol free laugh is,
is, is, is a great tagline.
You can really, you can reallygrab onto that.
I love it.
Coach Courtney Peters (11:45):
thanks.
Barry Condon (11:46):
and it's so true that, that, that, the way,
You've spent you, yeah.
When you realize, oh, actuallyit's not doing all the things
that it, that we thought it wasdoing, and actually we're not
gonna be giving, you know, wethink always through thoughts,
you know, you've gotta give upalcohol or you can't do it
anymore.
And, and, you're not allowed to.
And actually when you realize,you know, and that was when I
(12:07):
went, went looking, I was like,well, okay, I've decided I'm, I,
I want to stop.
And I, yeah, maybe I felt like Ineeded to stop, but how was
like, how do I make this okay?
And then you go looking and yougo.
Oh, there's a whole differentway of looking at it.
Actually.
This is a positive thing and it,and it's, you know, you, you,
you get freedom and you get allthese things back and you feel
much better because you're notdoing it.
And so reason there's no reasonto go back to it.
(12:29):
There's no reason to miss it.
And there's no reason to, to, toregret, you know, you're not
missing out.
And that, that's just such an,an amazing thing.
And, do you have any experienceswith, with clients, for example,
that, that where you can sort ofthink, you know, you know, when
you see those light bulbmoments, going off for them.
Coach Courtney Peters (12:45):
Totally, Totally, because I think when
we're reading reading about it,watching.
'cause a lot of people arewatching, this, right?
And right?
they a break or they dosomething.
There's a lot, I believe.
believe of time prior of justbeing curious and interested.
And then when they When theycome to me, it's really not
removing, You so I don't, that'swhat you know, that's what we
talk about and like, yeah, Ilike I see people do it talking
(13:08):
about like, it's switching, likethe switch it, really doesn't
really happen.
I'm like, yes, I promise.
Like if it happen, because feelsso poor so of like, like, wait,
I drinking, socializing nowthere's now talking about about.
alcohol and this like Likeswitch happens and they realize
it's not fomo, it's this stuff,this stuff, and it feels so,
wow, does that wow, does thatreally happen and really
(13:30):
happens.
happens?
when they do that So when.
switch and they that, you knowwhat, it doesn't.
serve me.
And so much better.
That That is like like the workthat is, that's the magic.
And I always and I always end mypost with, you're you work with
the working alcohol is not.
not.
the only and the only way.
out is taking it.
a break.
Justine Clark (13:51):
Yeah, for sure.
And I think, you know, for mepersonally, my biggest fear, I
dunno about yours.
My biggest fear was, you know, Icouldn't even address, maybe not
ever drinking again.
That was not even a, a thought Icould possibly have, but I, I
didn't even think I could.
I knew I could do a month, but Ididn't even entertain the
thought that I could live a lifewithout alcohol.
(14:12):
That was not even, I couldn'teven entertain that thought.
I know about you.
Yeah, it
Coach Courtney Peters (14:18):
Yeah, it.
radar because it.
again, it came back to I didn'tknow anyone who, and I think
that's why we all talk aboutthis.
I didn't know really anybody whodidn't drink because it's a it's
a of the choice.
they had And they had drankbefore and they and they weren't
in the alcoholic.
alcoholic space.
(14:39):
I know I mean, I know that don'tdrink because.
reason or they're just not intoit.
But, people that went from Tonot.
not, This is I think the newnarrative.
The new narrative, Yes.
It's it's all of us talkingabout it, saying, you know what?
We did drink.
don't We don't have itnecessarily now people, that's
fine.
But story, I was in the I was inthe middle, a they say drinker,
middle middle middle lane, otherall these other terms.
(15:00):
And that's basically where a lotwhere a lot of us are.
We ran in We land in that spot.
that spot.
And then and then when you findcome find out like.
the Healthy Servings, then,then, now it's but But back when
I.
when I was researchingresearching and the all the
questions Google, like hopingfor the fact that I'm okay.
all that is, know, you know, nowthe answers coming.
narrative This narrative up,right?
(15:21):
It's like, wait, you drink?
right?
okay.
No shame in the game anymore,but let's live without it.
See how that, that so that'swhat I love what I about this
because no, I did not I.
my 30 day saying, I've nevernever drinking absolutely, not.
absolutely not.
I started by saying, I want thisto stop.
I want this cycle to end.
I I Just drink.
(15:42):
I want, if if I want, I don't,and not call it not quality
moderation, it calling it thatwork, had had messed with my
head a little but but just justto be like oh, that in a while.
And then I got to the point, AndI think And I think a people say
this, it could, but I but I.
don't want it.
I really don't.
And it makes me kind of like,like feel funny about thinking
about that, physically, but forme, knowing the science behind
(16:06):
it, it, voice that it's, it thethe it causes, there's there's
absolutely it.
it.
But I.
I wouldn't have known that 1,001days ago.
Barry Condon (16:17):
Right.
Yeah.
And I think it's, it's, it's,the focus is always
traditionally and, and logicallythe focus is always on the
behavior.
And, and everyone wants tochange the behavior and, and
stop that, you know, whatever itis, you know, out of control or
over drinking behavior, withouttrying to understand what's,
what's driving it, why, why isalcohol, so, you know,
(16:38):
compulsive or, you know, it'saddictive.
and, and.
Yep.
There's sort of things that weknow, but we don't really think
through, and we sort of think,you know, we, we, you know,
logically if you think about it,yeah, alcohol is addictive and,
and, and so why would it not beaddictive to everybody?
You know, and people, you know,why would it be just some people
and, and you know, the sciencenow bears that out, you know,
(16:59):
and of course there'll be, youknow, your situation is
different and yoursusceptibility to, to, to what
everything is and what pushesyour buttons might be slightly
different to other people's.
But, when you start to break itdown and start thinking about.
The substance and the, the, the,the, the way that you, you know,
your situation and, how we'remarketed to and, and how sub,
(17:20):
you know, how, how your, ourculture is, is built around the
drinking.
Then you can start to see it,see it differently and as you'll
slow it down and it suddenlystarts to lose, its, its
footing, it's using its powerbecause you think, well,
actually it's just another,unhealthy, compulsive, you know,
unhealthy, dopamine driven,behavior or, or substance that,
(17:41):
that, that, know, you know, youneed to, need to tread carefully
with.
And, you know, just like, youknow, a cigarette is, or, or, or
cocaine might be.
And, and, and, you know, anyother, you know, too much sugar,
too much, you know, of, of, of alot of these things that, that
are driven by dopamine.
Coach Courtney Peters (17:57):
resonate with resonate with that though,
because I would say I would saythe year after Covid, like the
like, 20, 20 21, that's when alot of products came out that
were lower alcohol, alcohol.
organic wine.
all I.
those skinny cans we have here,it's like like White Claw and
like all.
This low alcohol crap that youjust you just like, that into
(18:22):
the scene.
Okay, well okay, these areoptions.
Right?
And then I think about are youthyouth and and look, they look.
You know, it's all market asknow, but it's just it's just
all over the place.
And how, you you know, low, canyou.
on marketing and I did.
did I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh,that's like 0.5%.
You know?
You know?
That's fine.
(18:42):
so I And so I figured out thepath and then, but it's it's but
it's still, and and that's whatI also wanna just around around
is the, itself and and how,organic There's companies here
in the states that, that, youknow, you the are healthier And
I'm like, you know, you're not,not, still wine, there's still
alcohol.
And that's, that's the trickypiece though, because you're,
(19:05):
you know, coming from, from, mystory, just kind of trying to
figure it out, out.
that was another level of, so.
of figuring something out andkeeping it in rather, if I did
like if I, January, did when Idid, I did a whole third and I
did and I did that in January.
Well, Well, February 1st, I justsaid, I just drink to celebrate
that I did that rather than keepgoing.
(19:28):
the difference this time, time.
That's what I mean is I wouldask the right questions
question.
of just, oh, oh, it.
You know, know?
more of a thoughtful way justignoring all those products
because it gets a little, alittle
Justine Clark (19:40):
I, I, I couldn't agree more.
And what I More is.
What you're is.
What you're talking about thatwe like to do is you do the 30
days and you're still basicallypotentially the same person with
the same beliefs.
But what we do in our coachingis as the behavior changes,
which you, you pause thedrinking, we've got behavior
(20:01):
change and science that comes upto meet us.
So it's like, I don't know ifyou guys have ever swung in the
Mediterranean, it's differentwater to anywhere in the world.
You can actually step into thewater slowly.
Lean back and completely floatsuspended.
So it's like no other water.
It holds you completely.
(20:21):
And that's how I see what ourcoaching does for our clients.
The, the, the, the science andthe behavior change and that
understanding comes up fromunderneath to meet us.
And we become so buoyed up thatwe go, holy moly, there's a,
there's another way to do this.
(20:42):
and you are free to, free tofloat, right?
Coach Courtney Peters (20:46):
Yeah, that's good.
Yeah, that's
Barry Condon (20:48):
Do you say, is that really in the, in the, in
the Mediterranean or do you meanthe, the, the Red Sea or the, or
the what is it the, no.
Justine Clark (20:54):
like, I, I
Barry Condon (20:55):
Okay.
I've not noticed it.
Justine Clark (20:56):
especially, I mean, been lucky enough to
travel to Greece and Turkey.
And lucky enough in the last fewyears to do it without, feeling
anxiety and a hangover.
So I, I'm noticing these things,so yeah, I just want, actually,
why don't you all audience goand test your, the, the C that
is nearby you this and see how,how floaty it is and if it's not
(21:19):
that floaty, my hot tip is, holda full breath.
'cause that ear in your bellywill allow you to float and,
and, and, and think of us.
Think of us coaches then,because that's what we are here
to help you do.
We are here to bore you up andhelp you float.
So back to you, Courtney.
What would you say with, what'syour, you talked about having a
(21:39):
flag in the sand.
What's your flag in the sandwith, with your coaching?
So I think
Coach Courtney Peters (21:45):
So I think my plan is self care.
life so my life goes clients, Iclients and my laugh everyone, I
think it's so important And howand self do self care in terms
of our on our own priorities andand it it like, it's it's fairly
important that we think ofourselves.
And I did a I ended talking ofmy town two too, actually.
(22:08):
at and, and one of my exercisesis take out a take out a piece
of paper and write down to threeto five people that you take
take care of about, plan
Justine Clark (22:18):
And I let them,
Coach Courtney Peters (22:19):
them, you know, give em a list, right?
write.
And I say, And I say, are youon?
list?
No, I'm No, I'm.
know what?
I think about Think about allthese people and so my goal for
my clients is that they're onown time the time you work we,
even just a few because thatcould that could be that could
that could, it could be it couldbe observing life.
(22:39):
we've got a lot going on on herein the States.
And And how do how you en engagewith news?
How do you do you care for your,your peace?
How do you, you know.
you, know.
you know, Goes for everybody, itis my clients or my grow clients
and bro meets, get real outcomesby my coaching program.
life coaching program And Andit's carving carving ourselves.
(23:03):
And then for folks, it's thehealthy swaps, it's the making a
making a plan, having our havingour lives, keeping keeping our
motivations going, but part ofthat is the self piece How does
and how does that look, feel ifeverybody's, but that's what I
that's my biggest biggest lackplan.
is.
Barry Condon (23:23):
Brilliant.
I mean that, and that's again,that's that, that not missing
out and, and, you know, doingstuff for yourself and making it
a positive thing and changing,you know, then you, why you're
doing it is, is it becomes more,it's much easier to run towards
a better life.
Than it is to sort of, to, to,to try and run away from, from,
from one that, that, wasn'tserving you.
And
Coach Courtney Peters (23:43):
then it's Good resource for not drinking,
right?
Because like when Because likewhen sugar is the fan things are
are stressful, might have.
that might have been our go-to.
So we So we really have to havethat toolkit, like ready to
ready to go if things if thingshappen that, or, or, anything to
help us through that.
do that.
my, my goal is have those bepositive things, things that
(24:06):
nourish us and us healthyhealthy and, feel good.
good.
And alcohol has that littlefeeling for 20 minutes.
That's what.
what laugh clients a lot of usare used to.
So to Have a.
a plan Place when things aren'tgonna, going to.
As when things are are what?
What do we do for that?
for that?
Barry Condon (24:25):
Yeah, really good.
I think that that sort ofanticipating, scenarios where a
drink would be your go-to and,and, and having an idea.
Okay, so.
I can, I can feel that comingon, but I know, you know, I've,
I've thought ahead, you know,and I'm gonna treat myself with
this instead, or I'm gonna, I'mgonna take my mind off it by
going for a run or doing, youknow, doing something.
(24:46):
yeah, like replacing the, the,the, the, the, the negative
cycle with something, somethingpositive.
Yeah.
Really good.
do you have any.
sort of surprising things thatthat happened, over the thousand
days that you sort of think, youknow, he, he never thought that
would be possible or he neverthought that might happen, or,
uh📍📍📍📍📍📍Be be happy.
(25:08):
Brilliant.
I mean, I love that that la uh,living alcohol free laugh is,
is, is, is a great tagline.
You can really, you can reallygrab onto that.
I love it.
📍📍📍📍📍📍Be be happy.
Brilliant.
I mean, I love that that la uh,living alcohol free laugh is,
(25:30):
is, is, is a great tagline.
You can really, you can reallygrab onto that.
I love it.
Coach Courtney Peters (25:37):
quite frankly.
For sure.
I used used to, to I used tohear them about different
topics.
cool.
oh, that's cool.
And honestly, honestly, that'sone of the biggest ones, telling
my story in a comfortable way.
I really really hard on I Iworked hard on living through
the shadows, working through theshadows, negative parts of
(25:59):
alcohol.
I myself.
I, have a magic a magic postright now that that UK do a lot
of lot lot journeys and and andstill.
I still, I mean, there's, lifeis still still there to work on
and be supported on and, thatwas a that was a big part of
this.
So I, grounded in who I'm, amand.
who Who I I.
(26:19):
and what I share, because I'mnot going going back.
Like for me, coaching iscoaching, now lower.
So so course I resonate withpeople.
Yes, of course this is still mylife.
course, I can bring in past toour sessions of, of, their their
story.
My story of course, I but Idon't start with start with,
(26:41):
know I don't, I start with thethree problems that cognitive,
dissonance, anxiety, and teamthat got me pretty in a loop a
that I just didn't wanna, be onon anymore.
And I and I feared this changebecause I didn't know that this
was out.
So Right.
So those were like kind of like,my, landmarks.
and then then now now like thisstill free because I don't go I
(27:06):
don't go like you're not this.
Seen me on Instagram or so muchlike before and after, after,
like, that's not gonna, jam.
I'll talk I.
using words, but, you know,pictures of snapshot.
you, It really was for me, youhaven't, mental.
Justine Clark (27:21):
seen Barry's Abs in his after shot.
Courtney, maybe you would changeyour mind if you saw her.
That's true.
That's.
Coach Courtney Peters (27:29):
awesome.
That's fair.
That's fair.
That's, no, that's good.
That's good.
That's good.
I think I think they're, that'sjust not my, you you know, there
were dark points and I've workedthrough them and, you.
you know, that's part of thework is Or you're gonna hold
let, let go or what for me it's,you know, know, sharing with
clients and and that's about it.
it.
Justine Clark (27:49):
love that so much.
And what I, what I love mostabout I.
people, when you go into, go toa party and you say no to a
slice of cake, people go, ohyeah, she's watching a weight,
or, you know, whatever.
But Whatever, go and say, but.
don't want to have a drink,you're somehow expected to tell
some kind of.
Story about why you, did you,did you lose your license?
is there something wrong withyou?
(28:10):
Why don't you what you know?
Oh, it's because you've got suchand such a disease.
Oh, I get it.
They need to, need to kind ofput a label about at tribute why
you may have stopped, but Ithink, think, as I'll ask you as
well.
I knew, when I when I wasdrinking that.
not to drink.
That it's more than okay not todrink, and I, I don't owe
(28:32):
anything to anybody.
I don't need to drink to makethem feel more comfortable and I
don't need to drink to makemyself feel more comfortable.
What about you, Courtney?
Totally.
Coach Courtney Peters (28:41):
Totally.
And The, narrative is changing.
I just did a health and wellnessfair on Saturday, Saturday, and
and one woman this one womanand.
I were talking and she's like,yeah, a lot of my friends have
stopped drinking.
I'm drinking.
okay, cool.
cool.
Like, it's really starting tobuild momentum and hope that
that question gets getssquashed.
I'm like, oh, like, oh wait,what happened?
(29:01):
that one, you know, that's Sofrustrating, but it's so real
real because I I think you wouldask yourself that that too, it's
an, it's an exclusive membersclub, right?
That's what it is.
Yeah.
it's an inclusive members club.
Even better.
Hmm.
Inclusive?
Yes.
Barry Condon (29:18):
certainly that, that's the way.
I wish, I wish I'd looked at itI thought of it like catching
the plague, you know, the notdrinking, not being allowed to
drink thing.
Oh my God,, I don't wanna get,don't want things to get that
bad that I have to not drink.
it kept me trapped for 10 yearsprobably that I was sort of
struggling with in thatmoderation, phase where, where
I'm trying to sort of make dealswith myself
Coach Courtney Peters (29:36):
Mm-hmm.
Barry Condon (29:37):
and waking up, Frustrated.
Ashamed and, starting the daywith the anxiety and, and, yeah.
And just, realizing that thatwas all, a waste of a waste of
time.
It didn't need to be, you know,and so, yeah, if anybody's out
there thinking, I'm struggling,I'm struggling, you know, it's
not what it used to be.
I used to really enjoy it.
And now it's becoming.
Something that I'm losingcontrol of.
Yeah.
There is help.
if you, resonate with, withCourtney or, or either of either
(29:59):
Justine or us, you know, oranybody else, you know, just
keep looking and, and find, amethodology and a way out and a
way to freedom there'sdefinitely, definitely hope
there.
So, speaking of alcohol freedomfinding, have you got three
words for us that, that sum upyour journey to finding alcohol
freedom?
Coach Courtney Peters (30:17):
Yes.
Yes.
purpose, I.
I I think because as as ascoaches gives it gives us that.
momentum.
So when I So when I pivoted to Iadd left math, my coaching
practice, it it just gave thatthan me feeling of being as a
mom, right?
right, of I think it shouldchange in life.
(30:40):
Like, Like, look at this, out todinner for tonight.
tonight.
Like how cool is that?
to celebrate Celebrate Mom daycount?
Day.
Like Like, it's really exciting.
purpose greater than myself.
And so And came mind toalignment because I think I
think alignment was is reallythat, you know, you know,
cognitive complaints piece ofbeing a coach, working myself,
(31:04):
loving the health And wellnessworld.
And it's totally fun aligned byremoving out removing.
alcohol, free from it.
it.
The alignment Alignment justfeels, and.
and and not that My whole IED mywhole life before, but I feel
but I feel stronger strongernow.
And I now.
in this chapter in my life,life, a I.
us in their This is this is anice time a nice time to feel
(31:27):
that, as we as we evolve and Andgo into this this, that so that
feels awesome.
And then is my third part.
third word.
Justine Clark (31:34):
Pep.
Barry Condon (31:35):
Okay.
Justine Clark (31:36):
Purpose,
Barry Condon (31:37):
Perfect.
Justine Clark (31:38):
Courtney, I love love it.
Barry Condon (31:39):
Great.
Justine Clark (31:40):
Courtney.
I honestly, I, I could speak toyou all day.
and I know that you're doingsuch great work.
I see that you've just got, aprogram launched.
Why don't you tell everybodywhere they can find you and what
you're doing right now?
Coach Courtney Peters (31:53):
Sure.
So my So my website is.
pma coach courtney.com.
So positive mental latitude, butPMA, and Launched my second.
second, so two self-careself-guided courses, so so.
me in a video, daily video, butprovide worksheets and that and
but you do it on you do on yourown, a it's course that you
(32:16):
online, I'm which I'm reallyexcited about.
I felt that clients clients andprospective clients I spoke
with, some people might not beready for one-on-one coaching
The some piece or something, soI so I wanted to.
fill that, space to offer thingsto people that I'm really I'm
(32:37):
like into about selfcare gonnabe gonna be a this, this called.
um.
Um, And so and so that's reallyexciting That 2025, Five, and
it's it's happening.
So that's that's
Barry Condon (32:49):
excellent.
I, we'll put the links in, inthe, in the show notes, so,
yeah, people will be able tofind you.
That's, that's great.
Well, I mean, it's, it's beenwonderful.
Thanks a lot, Courtney, andwe'll speak to you again soon.
Coach Courtney Peters (32:59):
you for having me.
This was great.
I can speak to you guys all daytoo.
all day too.
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