Lawlessness Abounds | Finding Faith Amidst the Chaos - Blood & Oil Podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
In a time when faith can feel flat, distracted and
disengaged, the Blood and Oilpodcast cuts through the noise
to reveal the raw, unfilteredwork of the Holy Spirit.
Welcome to the Blood and Oilpodcast.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
All right, welcome to Blood and Oil.
I've got myself Zane Wheeler,I've got Pastor Jesse and we've
got Terrence.
So happy to be back together,the three of us can come
together today and talk a littlebit about what's coming up in
the news, what's coming up inthe world right now.
You know we read in scripturethat there is just turmoil at
the end of the age, and there'sa lot of reflection of that in

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what we're seeing in the worldright now.
It's becoming more and moreapparent each and every day as
you tune in to the media andother sources that you know.
People are going crazy outthere.
It's getting wild.
There's a lot of division,there's a lot of fear, there's a
lot of destruction and chaoshappening.
But the word of God is stillhere.

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The word of God is still here.
The Lord Jesus Christ stilllives in our hearts and I think
that we're here to spread theword and help people find some
traction in these times as wellas just have a guiding light of
some kind.
Whether you're a Christian ornot, whether you've come to the
Lord or not, there is true andsupreme guidance in His Word,

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and we are here, guys, to justhelp shed some light on that
today.
So, with my fellas here, whoare much more versed in the Word
than I am, hopefully I canlearn something and we can bless
you guys with a littleconversation about what's going
on and what we can do in these,these coming times to prepare
and to, uh, to move forward.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah, yeah.
So, uh, uh, let me start byjust saying anyone who was
watching last week, um, you know, uh, applying the scripture and
being clear on the scripture isis absolutely important, and so
I just want to qualify that.
You know there were somecitations that I gave that, that
that that were needed to be alittle bit clearer and, um,

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apply the texts, uh, a littlebit clearer.
And so the the idea of ofchasing signs and wonders in in
Jesus's um, uh, comment on theloaves and then his body being
the bread Anyone who's watchingis going to be able to discern
where I was off in my citation.

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So I just want to apologize forthat.
They were still chasing thatbut for the wrong reason is why
they were chasing, said you, youdidn't come to me because you
saw the stuff before you came,because you got fed and the
feeding was still a sign stuffbefore you came, because you got
fed and the feeding was still asign, but they came because
their bellies were hungry.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
This stuff rings true in the spirit and I get you.
There's heresy hunters outthere, and there's people that
are trying to come all in, justreally be aware of what people
are saying and I get that Iappreciate you saying that.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
You can see in the commentaries and the comments
and stuff, where folks that'snot exactly what it said, and so
you know the, uh, you're right,the, the, the value and the
spirit of what I was talkingabout was was correct.
Um, sure, I just wanted to.
It's important to me, so Iappreciate it.
Um, so, yeah, right now we're.
You know, I was looking atsomething on on facebook earlier
and, uh, this person was justlike I'm so scared because

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they're seeing what's happeningright now with the riots and in
los angeles and um, and all ofthese other protests actually
that are scheduled, like youknow, here local us in san
francisco there were some and Ithink they're coming, they're
coming back again today andtonight and some some in New
York and in particular, the onesin Los Angeles are.

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You know, you see the scenes ofit and I know that the
narrative out there says it wasmostly a peaceful protest, but
that's just not true.
Like there's all kinds ofevidence that that's not the
case at all.
It's it, uh, it it was.
It was pretty, pretty violent.
Lots of um, vandalism,destruction of property, um, you

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know, fires, setting of fires,like it's.
It's not peaceful and you know,just so that everyone listening
knows like we're in America andwe we you, you know believe in
the system of rights that hasbeen established by this
government and stuff, and sowe're not, definitely not
against the, the freedom to togather and the freedom to make

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your voice heard and stuff likethat, but we are against
unlawfulness.
And so the moment that thattransgresses, transgresses just
simply being you wanting to makeyour voice heard or you trying
to bring light to a situation,or to try to try to bring some

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sort of public knowledge to asituation, whatever the math is,
the moment that that becomesunlawful in in harming or in
defacing or in destruction orsomething like that, that's
against the law and we agreethat is against the law.

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So right now, in the culturalzeitgeist that's happening, um,
there's a lot of fear.
I have a family member who,because of the last person who
won the presidential election,they, they are opening their
ears to a voice from from one ofthe political sides.

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That has them terrified, hasthem absolutely terrified, that
they're going to lose thesekinds of rights and those kinds
of rights and money for this andmoney for that, and what it's
done is it has, um, that fearhas completely owned them and
because they feel like they'reout of control, they have now

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joined the opposing voice,because they feel like they have
to do something.
Wow, right, and this person isnot politically on that side.
So they have been exposed to astream of information that has
absolutely owned their soul.

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That has absolutely owned theirsoul, and because of that
stream of information, it hasprovoked a response inside of
them where their fear feels likethey don't have control, and so
now they must do something toget back in control.
Yeah, and so that's what'shappening with this right and um

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, and we're watching this.
So the scripture says one ofthe signs of the end of the age
is the increase of lawlessness.
Right, and that increase oflawlessness is actually
intentional.
It is meant to provide apathway for the revealing of the

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man of lawlessness inThessalonians.
So you look at Matthew 24, it'sgot a pretty good outline of the
end of the age.
Revelation's a little bitharder to interpret because
there's a lot of signs andimages and a very strict, strict
, firm, sequential timeline is alittle hard to derive from
revelation.
But matthew 24 and and I thinkit's luke, uh, luke 20 something

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, luke 21, um luke's version ofof jesus's same commentary in
matthew, the parallel passage umjesus is pretty clear of a
sequential timeline.
He says this then this then this, then this, then this, and so
there's a pretty clear timelineand in the preparation for the

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end of the age, there's a lot ofsocietal turmoil.

Speaker 4 (07:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
A lot of societal turmoil.
So today, pastor Steve saidthis last year.
So you know, shout out toPastor Steve, he gets the credit
for this.
But for the end of the agethere's three things that
biblically, we are expecting.
The first is the rise ofsystemic conflict, and that

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means from top to bottom,there's earthquakes, there's's
wars, there's rumors of wars.
Right, and so one is is naturalearthquakes and famines and
plagues and these kinds ofthings.
The other one is geopoliticalnation against nation.
It's also ethnos, which meanspeople group against people

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group.
Sure, so think racism, thinkthat kind of thing.
But then he brings it down evento conflict within the home.
A man's enemies will be thoseof his own household, and a
father betrays a daughter, adaughter a mother, and these
kind of inter internal familialrelationships experience turmoil

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.
And we actually saw thebeginning of that in in cvid.
Can I say that?
yeah, I guess okay yeah, in, uh,in the 2020 debacle, yeah, um
and uh I think youtube likes usif we don't say it right yeah,
probably, wow, I didn't evenknow that.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
Wow, yeah, we're going to call it the thing.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
When that happened, we saw family members willing to
turn in other family membersfor the sake of safety Right.
Supposedly safety.
Yeah, and so you know.
We had church.
We didn't shut down church,even though our governor was

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like you can't, you can't gatherand you can't look, dude.
He said we can't sing in churchcrazy it's wild, yeah yeah, you
can't sing in church, you can'tbe gathered with us.
Well, you know, we, we did ourthing, right and um, we had a

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person who's not from our church, concerning a member in our
church, threatened to call thehealth department on us well
yeah, now we live in radicalcalifornia.
Okay, so we're in, we're, we'rein the belly of the beast over
here there's a couple zones likethat in california or in in, uh
, in america, but we're right inthe middle of it and um and so

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what?
What happened was the thingcreated number one, and I think
the first time I heard this wasfrom Jamie Walton.
So shout out, jamie Waldman.
He said it created a sharedcultural trauma and for the
first time in the earth, becauseof the internet, everybody on

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the face of the planetexperienced it, whether you were
in the middle of San Franciscoor whether you were in the
middle of san francisco orwhether you were in the outback
in australia, right, or whetheryou're in the serengeti in
africa, everybody's got a phone,and so, for the first time, the
society of the entire world hasa unifying social trauma.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Sure, wow something that 911 couldn't quite
accomplish, but tried to.

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Couldn't because yeah , just America, yeah, yeah and
and the widespread use of theinternet wasn't yeah, right yeah
also in this thing it createsthis social trauma, this
universal social trauma and andit begins to it weds us all
together into this thing.
And so, in this rise ofconflict, you've got everything

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happening, and now, because ofthe internet, you've got
everybody experiencing the samething at the same time.
Yeah, so we got these riotshappening in Los Angeles.
Yeah so we got these riotshappening in los angeles and
people in the middle of chinawho don't care about america,
are watching the same thing seton fire, yeah, police, uh, yes,

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cruisers set on fire, right,yeah.
So now it's it's sort ofdeveloping a cultural zeitgeist,
that that weds us all intoalmost a a hive experience of a
social cultural thing.
Right, okay, yeah.
So the first thing is the riseof systemic conflict across the

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board.
So and we're seeing it likepeople have no idea how close to
world war I we are with withRussia and Ukraine and some of
the stuff that's happening therewe, inside of our culture,
we've racism is rising and andpeople are, like you know,

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adults calling children racistnames.
It's not okay.
And then feeling like they'rejustified family members turning
another family members forthings that, in the name of
safety, they feel justified.
The crazy thing about thatmoment in in in the coveting of

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the thing, sorry, the crazything about that moment is that
prior to that in america, familywas always loyal.
Yeah, yes, that's been part ofthe culture of america, right,
yeah.
Now we feel like if, in thename of safety, safety's

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threatened, I am now justifiedin betraying my family member,
which is crazy.
So all these things rise ofsystemic conflict.
The second is the rise ofself-love there it is.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
I think that's a good segue right there too, by the
way, and for safety's sake,people, because of self-love,
they're not willing to deny self.
Exactly, yeah, that's why youcome, so I'll let you finish
that, but that's what I wasthinking.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
The kind self and that's exactly.
Yeah, that's why you, so I'lllet you finish that, but that's
what I was thinking, the kind ofexactly right, and I and I have
that in my, in my notes, isnice.
The reason for the rise ofself-love is because um jesus
says specifically in matthew 24that because lawlessness
increases, the love of many willgrow cold.
Well then, what replaces that?

Speaker 2 (14:24):
the love of many will grow cold.
Well then, what replaces that?
The love of self.
The love of self, yeah 100%Because of safety, survival.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
It's exactly right it is preservation.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Yeah, self-preservation, yeah, it is
preservation.
And not just that too, if I maysay so.
There's a parallel passagewhere Paul says men will be
lovers of pleasure more thanlovers of God.
And so there's that safetyaspect, for sure, but also the
selfishness in regards toself-pleasuring oneself, or that

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sort of lifestyle that comeswith, like seeking pleasure,
what's the word for thatHedonistic sort of lifestyle,
and that's specifically in thevein of sex only, but just a
lifestyle seeking self,ambitions, pleasures, etc.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
That too is at the core of, uh, narcissism or
selfishness, and that's what Ithink we're seeing yeah, and I,
and, and even to that point, um,when I was thinking and praying
earlier, the self-pres, if youthink about it, is directly
opposed to the Revelation 12-11,.
Those who overcome the dragondo so how?

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By the word of their testimony,by the blood of the lamb, and
they love, not their lives,their lives, even to death.
And so the culture is producinga people who are incessantly
concerned with protection oftheir own life.
Yeah, and that will immediatelyseparate those who will not

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love their life for the sake ofthe gospel versus those who will
do whatever they they can topreserve their own life and it's
a fixation on the world as well.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, well said, the flesh, the world to survive.
I've got it informed, I got toknow what's happening and but
you know the flesh is is putfirst and foremost absolutely,
that's always the problem.

Speaker 4 (16:18):
It's funny, couched in what you're saying in the
context.
And what you're saying is thepassage and revelation again,
this is all in context of whatyou're saying.
Is the passage in Revelation?
Again, this is all in contextof what you're saying.
It's the whole B system, right?
You can't buy or sell apartfrom having this mark.
And so for self-preservation,for fear, for pleasures, et
cetera, all these things.
That's really good.
I'm vibing with you, yeah, soit's all in context with one
another.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
It's quite amazing, actually, and terrifying too
yeah, fine too, yeah soabsolutely for this stuff to
play out the way that it'swritten.
It's no surprise to me, but themanner in which it's playing
out is interesting because it'spartially conscious.
It's partial.
It's a lot of it's unconscious.
We're talking about theindividual, yeah, almost sort of
we fall into it, but we're alsochoosing it yes it's very

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interesting how that thatinterplay works.
It's not like you have agovernment, you, you know, or
some sort of authority saying dothis, you know?
In reading Revelation, it mightseem as though that's what
could happen.
Is the beast system is justinflicted upon us, right or
right pushed upon us, opposed,you know, imposed upon us.
Well, people are willinglychoosing it though.

(17:23):
Yeah, absolutely.
And there's this eroding, thisincremental eroding of, you know
, people's choice, essentially,and it feels as though they need
to make these choices forsafety and, as you said, with
you know the stuff that happenedin 2020, it's like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yeah, interesting.
So I preached a sermon lastyear on.
Everybody's already got a markon on them in the spirit room,
sure already.
And so when you read thatrevelation 13 on the mark of the
beast passage, it saysimmediately following that in 14
uh, the first couple verses ofchapter 14 that there is also a
mark on the head of the servantsof the lord yeah there it is.

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And when you, when you look atthe old testament, um, and when
you look at the Old Testament,symbolism that prefigures the
things God marks his servants,and there is the when he tells

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them keep these commands on yourforehead and on your wrist.
And the Jews, actually, theyliteralize that and they have a
thing called a phylactery.
When you see some orthodox jews, they got a box on their
forehead and in it is the shema,deuteronomy 6, 4, I think it's
the shema, um, that's in that,but it's, you know, heroes of
the lord, thy god is one lord.
And so they've literally placedon their forehead, physically,
this thing, yeah, um, and thenin ezekiel, when god is is

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measuring the temple and he'sjudging the godless Jews by the
way, from the righteous ones.
The righteous ones are markedby the angelic with a sign on
their forehead, and then, whenjudgment comes, they're told
leave the ones that are markedfor God and judge the rest, the
ones that are marked for God andjudge the rest, and so my

(19:04):
contention in my sermon was whenthe mark of the beast comes,
the people who receive it arethe ones who've already received
some mark of allegiance in thespirit.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
A hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Who they want.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
A hundred percent, a hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
It's already there.
The erodions already happened,right.
To your point that there isthis there and and interesting,
six, six, six, the number of aman, and my thought on it and
this is this is speculation,because there's a lot of stuff
out there on the number of thebeast, like a lot and you know
is that it is a self centeredthing, right, the mark of a man,

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and, and that it is aself-centered thing, right, the
mark of a man, and, and that itowns everything.
And so when that mark of thebeast is is presented, the only
ones who say no are the ones whobelieve the bible yeah yeah,
yeah, because you'll have a lotof of so-called christians who,
because they don't literallybelieve the bible, they're gonna
like, ah, it's all right.

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Or their allegiance doesn'tfully belong to God and they
don't understand the nature ofwhat's coming, that they're like
, eh, not a big deal, I can takethe mark and then still work
for God behind the scenes.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
Yeah, no, it doesn't work like that.
Yeah, not at all, not in anyinstance, I fear.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Not in any instance, it's like nope.
Yeah, yeah, not at all, Not inany instance.
I fear Not in any instance.
It's like nope, yeah, Well, youknow that's the theme of this
episode, right?

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Is information you know, like pointing out the
things that are really happeningand connecting them to
Revelation or at least to aninformed idea of you know where
we are.
You know, in current times isimportant for Christians and
non-believers alike right now,so I appreciate this topic for
sure, yeah 100%, so some of thestuff that we're seeing in the

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earth presently.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Geopolitically, you've got a lot of crazy stuff
happening over in Europe rightnow, like Germany just released
a statement that they want tobuild a million bunkers by X
amount of time, and that'sbecause they're expecting a war
with Russia.
Okay, well okay, and that that'sthat, like anyone who's been

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paying attention for the lastcouple of years, the rhetoric
has continued to rise andcontinue to rise, and continue
to rise.
And Ukraine recently did acrazy operation where they snuck
into Russia a bunch of trucksdriven by Russians and the
drivers didn't know what theyhad, and in the back of the
truck there were these Ukrainiandrones, and so they got within

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striking distance of theirtargets and then these drones
popped out the back of the truckand the they, uh, they attacked
five bases, or six bases, fourof them, um uh uh, aircraft
bases, uh uh, whatever, and oneof them a sub base, okay, and

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they destroyed something like 40percent of russia's nuclear
response system.
Shish, that's not good, no, andtwo years ago I think it was two
years ago russia's russiarewrote their nuclear doctrine
because they saw the writing onthe wall and they said even a
strike against our nuclearresponse stuff we're going to

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consider a nuclear act of war.
And so right now, russia's thisis like last week was crazy
geopolitically, like they theywere and they've struck and some
of the worst responses and someof the worst drone strikes,
like they had 400 and somethingdrones and missiles launched at
ukraine last week because ofthis.

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So it's it's ratcheting up andwe're over here in america,
distracted by you know, pdscandal yeah, and you know
trump's on the epstein list andyeah, yeah
like.
It's like look everywhere, buthere and then next week, the un
is having an official meetingwith France and Saudi Arabia I

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think that's the ones areheading a meeting on dividing
the state of Israel by securinga Palestinian state.
Wow, yeah, so you know anyonewho knows their Bible.
The division of Israel is huge.
When it comes to End timeprophecy Right.
When it comes to End timeprophecy Right.
When it comes to end timeprophecy, and the beginning of

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the Abraham Accords back in 2018, or whatever it was, was the
beginning of this, in whichthere's this attempt to create
peace in the Middle East.
East and the middle east andall of these countries that are
have usually been at odds withone another are now signing up
under under the idea that we'reall sons of abraham.

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And the lie is islam is not ason of abraham, judaism is a son
of abraham, christianity is ason of abraham, right, but islam
believes that the promise wentthrough Ishmael, not through
Isaac, right, right, so, but butthe, the couching of it and the
selling of it is hey, we're allsons of Abraham.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, and it's.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
It's called the Abraham Accords.
Yeah Right, so that's, that'sin in the mix.
This, this meeting, ishappening like what's today, the
9th, so you know, within a weekI think, it's happening um.
So that's that's.
Geopolitically, you've got, uh,greater christian persecution
on the face of the planet thanthere ever has been.

(24:37):
Sure, you've got um which theWestern news media doesn't cover
.
One of the problems is that thedemographic populators, or the
ones who get demographicinformation, they go by race and

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sexual preference and all thisother kind of stuff.
They usually don't go byreligion.
But if you separate by religion, christianity is the last
persecuted group.
On, the face of the planet handsdown 100 hands down.

Speaker 4 (25:16):
Hands down losing their homes, losing their
businesses losing lives yeahacross the globe yeah, it's
crazy and it's hardly evertalked about.
That's the interesting partright.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
So um, at home now we've got folks who, based on
whether you voted for one guy orthe other, they're full-blown
disowning family members likethat shocks me absolutely that
is shocking to me yeah, politicswere a lot more innocuous, you

(25:56):
know, in the last few years ago.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, exactly, even a few years ago exactly.
Yeah, just go back a decade.
You know, yep, kind of stuffwas never even thought about
yeah, you know like well, youknow how could you?
You didn't talk about it overthe dinner table, right?
You also didn't slam the dooron someone's face and disown
them.
It was nothing close to thathappening.
It's just wild.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, and the crazy part is classic liberalism,
which is, you know, one isconsidered liberal, one's
considered conservative, but theone that's considered liberal
isn't even really liberalanymore.
Yeah, classic liberalism waslike look, I may disagree with
you on what your opinion is, butI'll stand by you and die for

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your right to have your opinionAbsolutely.
And they don't do that anymore.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
The opposite of that.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
No, yeah, it's funny, they throw the term fascism
around.

Speaker 4 (26:43):
Yeah, when they're the fascist.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
And what they don't understand is you're just as
fascist.
Yeah, you were just as muchfascist yes, yes indeed, yes,
the most we had a?
um down in grenville we had uh,so they they protest and they
they do.
Well, they don't press it, theythey demonstrate, which is
probably the better, better term.
Yeah, so they're out there withsigns and stuff pretty

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regularly.
Um in gurnville, and there'sthe, the old movie theater right
there by the, by the citysquare or the town square, and
that movie theater regularlyputs out some sort of a
christian broadcast on saturdays.
It's like an hour or somethinglike that, and there's some
local guys not us, but there aresome local guys that often go

(27:27):
in there and they share andstuff.
And some dude on one of thelocal pages was like he said get
that stuff out of here.
That's not welcome here.
We're not going to have youimpinge on our right to have our
opinion.
You're not welcome here.
And I'm like yeah, do yourealize the inconsistency in

(27:49):
what you just said, right?
yeah you need to honor ourrights, and so we're going to
refuse you yours that's the math, yeah sure yeah, yeah, twisted.
Yeah, you you have.
You have just completely takenyourself out at the knees.
Yeah, and anyone with athinking brain can see

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inconsistency.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, yeah, but because they're emotional right,
yeah they don't see theinconsistency yeah, and the the
media helps to stir theemotionality oh, absolutely huge
gasoline on the fire, for sureyeah, yeah, and I just a lot of
these agendas are born of themedia as well, you know, in a
lot of ways, and that's what theunfortunate thing is.
It's like, you know, you can'tseparate thinking, kind of

(28:34):
moving in a direction that theindividual thought was best for
them.
But now there's these sort ofmass agendas that you know the
media is promoting, that youknow you've got these groups of
people behind, that you know arevery, very divisive.

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This has been happening for,you know, a long time now, and
we've, you know, just diddifferent colors and shades.
But man it's ugly and I's and Ithink, like I'll use the word
innocuous again.
It was more so, that it wasmore so even you know, five

(29:17):
years ago.
More so like, yeah, familieswere turning on families and the
racial stuff had ramped up.
Maybe I calmed down.
Everyone was concerned with thestuff that was happening in
2020, more so with theirpersonal health, and so a lot of
that stuff kind of quieted down.
But now you have all of thisstuff coming to the surface.
You got people disagreeing overhealth choices, you know,
abortion, all everything.
Man, it's just like everythingis up on the table and like and

(29:40):
it's, and it's just it'sconstant.
It seems like it's constantdivision over every, every issue
.
Really, you know it is constant.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
To go back a little bit, I remember, jesse, you said
something to the effect of,like you feel surprised.
In one sense, I suppose I amtoo, but in another sense I'm
not.
Like history is cyclical in thesense that we seem to kind of
revisit the ebbs and flows ofhuman emotions and the ups and
downs right, the good and bads,and so these things occurred in

(30:10):
different countries before theyoccurred.
I mean, especially with regardto propaganda, the media using
their powers to sway communitiesand societies in the way in
which they're doing it.
I think it's unique, though, inour time, in this way, because
of the advent of social mediaspecifically, we see it to
Zane's point were doing, butsimultaneously, it seems,
everybody is being inoculatedwith certain agendas, and so

(30:34):
that we see like the same kindof thing occurring, but in just
massive droves.

(30:54):
Now, right, and so that thingthat occurred in 2020.
Again, it didn't just affect ushere in the states.
It affected my family intrinidad, it affected friends in
uganda.
You see what I'm saying because, again, the internet has made
us neighbors closer neighborsthan ever before.
So I think these things existedprior.
We just didn't see it, um,blown up or exacerbated as we

(31:15):
see it now, specifically myguess this is conjecture on my
part because of the internet.
Because of the internet madeeverything closer, it made
everybody more, uh, connected,connected than than before.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
For sure, yeah yeah, no, I agree, and I think that
that's uh one of the things thatdaniel spoke about.
He said in the end, knowledgewill run to oh, that's good wow
wow, so I I think that's exactlyexactly what we saw is the, the
increase of knowledge, but withthe increase of knowledge and
stuff, the, the you need anincrease of discernment.
Absolutely yes, amen, well yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
And wisdom, yeah, yeah, yeah, there seems to be
more.
So I think, the more we talkabout this, there seems to be
like this escalation of fearthat is really behind it, a
hundred percent.
So, like you had division foryou've had it forever.
Like you had division foryou've had it forever, yeah, um,
you know, big in the 60s, lotsof stuff happening then happened

(32:08):
, you know, when trump came infor his first term, like a lot
of division started with theracial stuff and then the stuff
in 2020.
But now there's somethingdifferent happening where, the
more we talk about thisgeopolitical stuff, it's like
there's fear on people's heartlike there never was before.
Yep, and that fear is drivingthem to cling to ideologies oh,
absolutely possessed by thoseideologies and then to take a

(32:29):
hard stance against anyone whofeels differently.
You know, as a form of, as away to survive.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
It seems like yeah, right, like they're saying yeah,
curving of your own position.
If, if I'm threatened by it andI've got one of two choices I
either change or or I doubledown on what I believe.
Yeah, and people don't likechange.
One of the illustrations that Iuse for folks on the

(32:54):
controlling power of emotion isyou know, pastor Steve, he's our
lead pastor.
Pastor steve, he's our, he'sour lead pastor.
And, uh, in order to illustrate,I tell folks, I say, look, if I
walked in here and I told you,pastor steve just died in a car
accident, immediately, you know,half of you are like oh my God,

(33:18):
you know, what about the kids?
What about Dina?
What about and, and.
And.
Then other ones were like oh myGod, what about the church?
What about?
You know?
So all all of these thingshappen, oh my God, that that
that hits me like a shot in thegut.
I'm, I, I'm the, the man that Ilove is now, you know, all
these things happen.
So you're going through thisemotional rollercoaster with a

(33:40):
host of different potentialthings, but they're all
emotional.
And then, five minutes later, Isay just kidding.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Right.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Everybody's going to want to crucify me.
But what happened?
I completely controlled yourworld with a lie.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Sure, absolutely Good analogy.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
And your reality was 100% emotional.
Yeah, and you are legitimatelycaught up and owned by that
thing.
And here's the truth.
It wasn't real.
Real, yeah, right, wasn't evenreal right.

(34:23):
And I remember when theassassination attempt on trump
happened, we had this woman walkin who was freaked out and she
was like this, that and and, andI and I was like why are you
afraid?
And then I heard differentvoices in the community.

(34:43):
Some were like angry, how darethey.
Others were, and I couldn'tbelieve I heard, actually, I
can't believe I heard this, butI was grieved when I heard this
Too bad, they missed, okay, wow.
And so that sunday I stood upand I preached and I said, if

(35:04):
this event has had any sense ofan emotional effect on you, you
are being manipulated, yeah, oneside or the other, I don't care
.
Right, yeah, you are activelybeing manipulated, yeah, by the
propaganda and the news source.
Let me help you out.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Jesus isn't freaked out yeah amen, thank god for
that well, that's, that's it,and that's what I was getting to
too.
I think you know when I wastalking about fear, is it's a
fear of death if you're notconnected to the source of
eternal life, then of courseyou're scared of death.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
Sure, sure, yeah sure .

Speaker 4 (35:43):
Or even without going so far to think about death.
If you're not connected I loveyour phraseology if you're not
connected to the source of life,then you're going to have fear
concerning life.
Anxiety is concerning life whenam I going to eat, when am I
going to live, Et cetera.
And then Jesus says in Matthew5, don't worry about these
things, the Gentiles worry aboutthese things, but your Father
in heaven will take care of you.
So if you're not connected tohim, absolutely, you're going to

(36:05):
have all these anxieties.
It's just natural.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
And all the dark things we've just discussed.
We know the antid't have theLord, do they no?
And I actually think a lot ofpeople who think that they have
the Lord don't have them either.
And I think and this is soprogressing the Matthew 24 says
it shows all this systemicconflict that is rising.
And then it makes thisstatement the love because
lawlessness increases mostpeople's love will grow cold.

(36:40):
There's false prophets in theretoo, and there's betrayal, and
there's the rise of nations andall of these things.
So there's even a religiouscomponent that's in there, with,
you know, and I think we talkedabout it last week lying signs
and wonders.
Is he mentions it later this,all of this stuff, this rise of
lawlessness, and in America inparticular, it is the

(37:03):
development of what anybodywho's watching can see is a
two-tiered law system, meaninglaws apply to you, but they
don't apply to me, and the otherside says the same thing Laws
apply to you, but they don'tapply to me, and the other side
says the same thing laws applyto you, but they don't apply to
me, they're conditional, that'sright and and it, it.

(37:23):
it really starts back in about2012, where the government
starts the.
The exposure of the governmentin their hypocrisy begins to to
become glaring, sure, yeah, soyou know, events happen like um
turn over all of your recordsand you know the, the secretary
of state like destroys phonesand bleach, like, bleaches all

(37:48):
of the hard drives, and then youknow uh, the, the next
administration, or couple ofadministrations later the same
thing.
You need to turn over yourrecords and then, when they're
not turned over and they're notright now that person's being
taken to court.
Sure, well, why in one case andnot the other?

(38:09):
Or the one Terrence and I weretalking about earlier?
Like you know, I'm from Oaklandand most of the folks in my
area were not the same skincolor as me.
Okay, and I got friends who, ifthey were caught with an
illegal gun charge, they wouldbe looking at 25 with an L.

(38:33):
So the way we say it aroundCalifornia, 25 to life.
Meaning you get three felonies,three strike law.
You know you get three felonies, you're out.
So you you get a violation,you're done and a weapons
charges.
You know this.
I don't know the math on ifthey're all felonies, but that
particular one is a felony andbecause the person is the son of

(39:01):
the highest official on theland.
It gets a pass.
They get a pass.
Yeah, and, and if you know thestory, the the government who
was investigating him tried toslide a deal before the judge.
They would give him, I think,immunity.
Well, and because the judgestopped and looked at it and

(39:22):
said, no, this is not okay, whatdo you got?
that's the only reason why I gotexposed, sure yeah otherwise,
the government itself, theinvestigators, were going to
give the due to pass, sure?
So why is it?
He gets a pass in the otherzone, and so this, what, what?
What's being bred is a, a senseof injustice in those who are

(39:46):
watching.
And because the governmentfails to be, just yeah, you have
a rise of lawlessness, rightyeah.
And because it's from the topdown, those who are under it
begin to not care either.

Speaker 4 (40:03):
Well said, I'll give you another example that's
relative to really germane towhat you're talking about.
I'm very new to, so you'refamiliar with the Carmelo
Anthony story.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
Right, the young man who stabbed the dude on the bus
that's local to here.
I think Stanford like Stanford,or man who stabbed the dude on
the bus that's local to here Ithink stan, like stanford or
something right, yep, yep.

Speaker 4 (40:19):
And so, you know, going back some time, you had
the rodney king uh verdict andso the black community felt like
, okay, so this was obviously.
We had it on camera.
You know this was obviously aninjustice.
Uh, slight occurred, so we needjustice.
And then, long story short, youknow, the verdict was like
innocent yeah and right in themind of many black people in the

(40:40):
black community.
There's this bubbling over oflike vengeance, so as to say,
even if somebody did somethingwrong, just like the cops did
something wrong to your brodnyking, because they got over,
it's okay.
Now if we get over, you see,that's right and just.
I think what you said was soapropos, like there's this
mindset of going back to thetheme of the talk here.

(41:01):
Um, there's this mindset of Idon't care, there's no love.
My heart is wax cold nowbecause injustices were done to
me.
Now, consequently, theChristian is different.
He's like injustices occur withhim too, but, for Christ's sake
, he's still loving, not turningthe other cheek.
He's turning, he's still loving, not turning the other cheek.
He's forgiving, letting God bethe judge, et cetera.
But that's not the world.
They're becoming callous andcold in their heart, seeking

(41:24):
revenge, so as to have a CarmeloAnthony situation where the
community is saying he'sinnocent, it's okay, they had
years and years of injusticedone against us.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Now it's our time, and they're not even thinking
logically to say no-transcriptrace theory and and even

(42:05):
underneath that is what'shistorically called liberation
theology.
That liberation theology it itposits that you're you're only
active in the gospel if you'refreeing people who are bound.
And while that's true,spiritually, in kingdom versus
kingdom, they don't.

(42:25):
That's not how they're applyingit.
They're applying it tooppressed groups on the face of
the planet and in theirconvoluted thinking.
Something that may be wrong ifit's done by the group who's
oppressing is not okay, right,right, right, right, critical
race there yep, yep.
So if, if there is a murder doneby the oppressed group against

(42:47):
the oppressor, even if by allsense of justice and law it's a
murder because it's theoppressed group who did it
against the oppressor, they'rejust, it's not wrong.
Yeah, yeah, and that thatbreeds these things inside of,
of, uh, of the culture, yes, andin particular, it it goes right

(43:08):
back down back to self-love.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah, yeah, it sure does yeah, yeah, it reveals a
really uncomfortable thing whereyou have you know a say a group
of people we'll call themunbelievers, non-believers who
are deriving their sense ofmorality from man-made laws and,
when those laws fail tocorrespond to right, punishment

(43:31):
right just some kind of erosion,or you know, the, the, the, the
foundation of their entiremorality, begins to fall in.
Yeah, all the way and then youhave you know what we know.
What we talked about before isthat moral relativism.
You know where, everything youknow, whatever I feel yeah,
right for me right, or or thegroup of people that I associate

(43:51):
with ethnic, ethnic, religious,whatever, otherwise, whatever.
Whatever we believe is right iswhat's actually right, and
there's a reason that moralrelativism is one of the tenets
of Levaean Satanism, you know,because do what thou wilt right
is the whole of the law it'slike
of course you know that would besomething that would cause
chaos in society, but the thingthe fact of the matter is is

(44:13):
that there is no reliance on asense of morality that comes
from the Bible or comes fromthis natural law God's law, if
you will, that is.
You know, the society is notconnected to that.
It's connected to man's law.
When man's law fails, that'swhen morality starts to go with
it.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Right.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Right.

Speaker 3 (44:29):
Yeah, yeah, Super unfortunate, I agree.
So you even have just back tothe self-love point.
You've got you now have thisself-love creep into the church
and it's the rise of things likeyou need to forgive yourself.

Speaker 4 (44:49):
Yeah, I hate that.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
I do.
I got news for you, you don'tneed to forgive yourself, oh
love yourself.
Yeah and yeah.
Need to forgive yourself,that's right.
Love yourself, yeah and yeah.
And I dude, I have a new age.
I have been in churches thatare holding conferences for
pastors where the personteaching on forgiveness says
things like you need to learn toforgive god, and I'm like I'm.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
Oh, I would definitely walk out.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Yeah, I'm gonna go stand outside the door because
this place is about to get hitby a whole yeah yeah yeah, yeah
or not.

Speaker 4 (45:17):
They might just get an influx of people showing
themselves to be the broad path.
You know what I'm saying well,yeah, they're certainly gonna.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
What they're gonna do is they're gonna attract the
people who want to hearabsolutely it's all about them
absolutely, and this idea of, ofself-worth.
Like you know, jesus diedbecause, because you're worthy.
No, jesus died because he'sworthy right, yeah, and you know
, Jesus died because you wereworthy.
No, Jesus died because he'sworthy.

Speaker 4 (45:38):
Right.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Yeah, and you know the reality.
And here's the other one theunconditional love of God.
God's love is not unconditional, God's love is highly
conditional.
Now, the truth is, God's loveis better than unconditional,
and what most people mean whenthey say that is they mean that
you can come to God however youare, which we agree with.

(45:59):
Come as you are, absolutely,you don't need to get clean to
come to Jesus.
That's like saying, you know,wash your hands before you go to
the bathroom.
That's not the right process.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
Come to.

Speaker 3 (46:11):
Jesus.
So, yes, we agree, you can cometo God however you want, but
the unconditional love thing hasbecome, in in common pop
circles, a reason to sin.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:24):
Like there's the, the clip of the young girl doing
only fans who's beinginterviewed, and the guy is like
he's like he says does, is Godokay with you doing porn?
And she goes well.
God loves everybody Right thelogic yeah, because he loves me,

(46:45):
right, he's going to approve ofwhat I do, right?
Yeah?
And so the guy sniffs this outand he goes okay, wait a second.
And he starts to probe a littlemore and he dude, his questions
were legit, right, it wasreally good.

Speaker 4 (46:56):
God hates sin um, yeah he goes.

Speaker 3 (46:59):
He goes, whoa wait a second.
So uh, so god approves of ofyou doing porn.
He's okay with it and she goes.
Well, he wants me to be happysee how self-centered.
That is yeah, yeah, how I'm thecenter of that feeling, right
there and then she said he, hebegins to probe some more and he
goes okay, so if the devil werehere, what would the devil want

(47:25):
you to do?
And she goes he would want meto stop doing porn.
And I was like gosh, that'scrazy.
Wow, that's the in.
Yeah, gosh, that's crazy.
Wow, and this, this creep ofthe, you know, because god loves

(47:46):
everybody, he wants me to, hewants me to be happy and all the
dude.
It's everywhere in the church,like I had conversations
recently where someone is likethis can't be God because it's
too hard.
Yeah, and I'm like wait, haveyou not read the Bible Right?
Like it's like actually,specifically when it's too hard,
it's often God.
Yeah, because, number one, hewants you to overcome, and

(48:08):
overcoming presumes that there'ssomething to be overcome.
Number two, he workssupernaturally.
So you should expect to be inpositions where you have the Red
Sea on one side and Egypt onthe other, and you better figure
out how to produce thesupernatural in your life,
because the God you have arelationship with is
supernatural or you're done,that's it.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
I think that's the biggest point.
He wants you to see that youcan't do anything.
There's a text, there's a versethat's reiterated all
throughout the Old Testament.
I love it.
It's this and then they knewthat the Lord was God.
It was always in the context ofthe Lord delivering them from a
situation that was way beyondtheir ability to save themselves
.
That's right, exactly that theymay know.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (48:48):
Jesus reiterates the same thing.
In the miracle of the healingof the dude dropped fruit
through the ceiling.
Notice what he says First fruitthrough the ceiling.
Notice what he says he's first.
He says to the guy your sinsare forgiven.
And then those listening knowonly god can do that.
Yeah, so they, they begin toget provoked and offended.
And he knows what's happening.

(49:09):
He goes okay, so that you may,you won't know.
Yes, well, said son of man hasauthority on earth to forgive
sins.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
I say I say to you pick up your first yeah I love
that text.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
That's right, and we have this glorious example of
what true, supernaturalChristianity is supposed to look
like, which we can all live in,where you have the declaration
of the gospel and thedemonstration of the gospel and
it settles the argument done.
Shut some down.
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Shut some down Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
And it's not experienced, apart from
suffering, by the way.
So difficulties are promised,particularly for the reason you
just said, but also for theChristian to experience these
things and therefore growdifferently than the people who
don't know the gospelspecifically.
In this way, Again in contextof what we're talking about,
like the lost people, we'reexperiencing difficulties of
various kinds.
People, we're experiencingdifficulties of various kinds.

(50:00):
Right, unlike the lost people,we're not grumbling by god's
grace and we're looking toforgive our enemies for christ's
sake, because he told us thatright and um, whereas they're
looking for revenge and lookingto, for selfish reason, fight
their own fight, become the starof their show, craft their own
narrative to be the star,overcomer and victim at the same
time, we're picking up ourcross, denying self that he
might be, uh, exalted in the inthe midst of our realities.

Speaker 3 (50:21):
You see the difference yeah, and I think one
of the greatest testimonies tothe lost is how the christian
responds to suffering anddifficulty yeah, where I I
remember the story on uhactually out your way in florida
where where the the kid killeda uh church member and I think
it was a white kid in a blackchurch terence, you might
remember this and the kid killeda member and the whole church

(50:46):
showed up to his trial and theysaid we want you to know we
forgive you wow, came into thechurch shooting, if I'm not
mistaken.
Yeah, yeah, something like that,wow wow, and so the world is
watching, and they don't have aframework for that, because they
want justice.

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
They demand the justice.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
Dude in the Carmelo Anthony story.
The father's a Christian.
He says I don't want racism tooccur, my son died, I want
forgiveness.
And they bypass that messageand go still fight, which is
crazy 100%.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
It's a self-perpetuating cycle of
violence, which is crazy 100.
It's a self-perpetuating cycleof violence.
Yes, hatred, yep, yep.
The enemy loves it, yep, yes,yes, yes stoking the fires?

Speaker 3 (51:24):
yep, yeah, because if you get you that emotional
response and he can get you torespond outside of logic and
reason, yeah, and the, inparticular, when, when you feel
like you're right, it's reallyreally hard to be willing to
accept.
If you're wrong, yeah, yeah,when you feel like you're right,
yeah yeah, well it's, it's.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
It's a fleshly perspective versus a spiritual
perspective and a christian hasthis context that they're
ingesting of this.
Okay, my god is going to sortthis out.
It's not my job to sort it out.
Yeah, it's not my job to sortout.
So we're taking the spiritualwe're, we're.
We are working from thatspiritual context rather than

(52:04):
the fleshly emotional context ofI need to get vengeance or I
need to teach this person neverto do right right because, it's
my job to to dole out justicewhich is the self-love.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
Again, there it is yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Yeah, we talked about self-deification last time too,
and that's sort of that likenext spiritual step that one
would take from that foundationof self love into now I'm God,
yeah.

Speaker 4 (52:24):
Yeah, wow, that's good, wow, right yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
It's not even like the society isn't even promoting
that, but it will, you know, Ithink in some sense, I think, in
some sense it is, though youknow, they may not say those
words, but I think that's whatwe see logically happening with,
let's say, some certaincommunities, alphabet
communities, and I take thatfrom Romans 1.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
Yeah, the progression of that is selfishness.
You become so self-absorbedwith self.
Paul says in that same contextbecause of this self-idolatry,
women sleep with women, mensleep with men, and so that's
the digression of selfishnessand pride in particular.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Yeah, it's the narcissism point.
Aggression of selfishness andpride in particular.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, it's thenarcissism point.
Yeah, yeah, and the way I putit is we are incessantly in love
with the man in the mirror.

Speaker 4 (53:07):
That's my point.
Yeah, you got it yeah.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
Yeah.
We are incessantly in love withthe man in the mirror and I love
that Christ is taking that awayfrom us, though I love, because
, if we're honest, allChristians, like the lost people
, we have selfishness too andwe're learning by his grace to
become the opposite Like.
Christianity is not only opposedbut diametrically opposed to
selfishness, but it's thecomplete antithesis.

(53:31):
The gospel is to the way of theworld, whereas the world again
to your point whereas the worldis seeking self-interest,
seeking to be their own God invarious ways, they do it.
We're seeking to die to self,and not die to self because we
find ourselves to be so humble,let's say like Eastern religion,
like Buddhism or something likethis, but we're dying to self

(53:51):
that we might bring attention toanother person, namely God
himself, which I find uniqueamongst all the other religions
and amazing even as a Christianexperience to some degree.
It's really a wonderful thingwhen it happens, man, because
it's difficult, it's not likeI'm saying this out of like, oh,
it's easy, I'm doing this sowell, I'm skating along, this is
great.
No, there's real agony, there'sreal sufferings and

(54:12):
difficulties galore, but there'salso this strange grace that
allows you to do it, so that youcan see the juxtaposition of
the two realities and you say,wow, I know, the Lord is the
Lord, you see, so I love thatyeah.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Yeah, now that's a good disclaimer.
We struggle with this stuffevery day.
Yeah, yeah.
Because the flesh is the fleshand the flesh is oriented
towards self-preservation.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
Yes, it just is.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (54:35):
You know, we are, we are in our, our primal instincts
are oriented to survival.
So there there's the self-love,there, preservation, like you
said, and so I, you know westruggle with this as well, but
again it's that, it's the, it'sthe spiritual context versus
versus the physical context.
You know, how am I approachinglife, how am I approaching
others, how am I conductingrelationships and the fallout

(54:57):
after conflict, which willhappen?

Speaker 1 (55:03):
How do I navigate?

Speaker 2 (55:04):
that Well, I can navigate it by keeping my sight
on the Lord and remembering thathe is faithful.
He is the promise keeper.
He will figure out everyinterpersonal relationship that
I've ever had issue with.
There's going to be some kindof rectification there through
Him, yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
And to Jamie's point you study His face and you study
His word.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Yes, you cling to, yeah, yes To Jamie's point, you,
you study his face and youstudy his word yes, clean to him
, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
And throw yourself on .
So I think, what?

Speaker 3 (55:23):
what all of this is leading to, this rise of
lawlessness?
Um is what Paul calls in secondThessalonians to the mystery of
lawlessness.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
Good.

Speaker 3 (55:32):
And he says that it is already at work.
And that it is already at workand um, there will come a day
where the mystery of lawlessnessfinally is is revealed in in
its fullness, and it's calledthe man of lawlessness, and
that's the antichrist.
And so the point of this riseof lawlessness is is to cause

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the many for their love to growcold.
And when you look at the secondThessalonians passage,
intentionally it coincides withthis great deception that's
coming and it's meant to deceivethose who refused to receive a
love for the truth.
And so what do we see?

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God is proving people's lovesthe whole time.
Right, the whole thing is iswhat do you love?
What do you love?
What do you love?
What do you love?
That's the like the everybody.
People ask oh, does god love me?
Like, if you've read the bibleand you know the gospel, like,
duh, god loves you.
He died and rose for you, yeah,yeah.

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The bigger question is this areyou going to love him back?
Yeah, there it is.
Are you going to love him back?
And obedience is a big deal,like, we're not those who, like,
are trying to resubmitourselves to the law.
We're not trying to do that.
But if you really love somebodyyou love to obey, yeah, yeah,

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really love somebody you obey,you love to obey, yeah, yeah,
and so obedience is is a bigdeal, and this, this thing that
god is doing, allowing theincrease of the systemic
lawlessness, is all toward thisend where, eventually, there's
going to be a great deceptionthat's going to be presented to
the whole earth.

(57:17):
Yeah, jesus puts it this way,it's going to be a great
deception that's going to bepresented to the whole earth.
Yeah, jesus puts it this way,it's gonna, like he says, uh,
that this thing will bepresented even to the elect yeah
, wow even to the elect in inmatthew 24, and it will cause

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two camps immediately those wholove God and those who don't
love God.
Yes, that that's the math.
It will expose the trident,those, those whose love have
grown cold and and actually,because of the rise of
lawlessness, become lawless tosome degree of themselves that's

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right.
Yeah, and those who love god?
Yeah, and that thing is alwaysa matter of what do you love?
What do you love?
What do you love?
What do you love, what do youlove?
Which is the self-love question, right?
You're not called to love self,you're called to love God.
You're not called to esteemself.

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Like, the whole self-esteemstuff is stupid, it's nasty,
it's completely contrary to thegospel.
It makes you the center ofeverything, it's God esteem.
I want to esteem the Lord.
I love that.
I want to glorify God.
I want to esteem the Lord.
I love that.
I want to glorify God.
I want to make much of Him notme yeah.

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I want to be like John theBaptist I decrease, he increases
.
Yes amen, right, yeah, thatdynamic is what this whole thing
is about.
To the revelation, chapter 12,point that one of the things
that the devil is doing is the,the three, the three ways in

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which we stand against thedemonic and have success is the
word of our testimony.
This is revelation 12, 11,.
The blood of the lamb and thenmost people leave out the third
part.
Yeah, love not our lives, evento death.
That's right.
We do not love our life, evenwhen faced with death, right,

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and that is directly contrary toself-love, exactly 100 right
and so I think that what thedevil is doing is he's trying to
hamstring the sacrificial lovethat will not try to protect
itself when faced with death.

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Yeah, yeah, so that he can getthose who will love themselves
when faced with death.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
When faced with death and they will apostatize
They'll fall away yeah.
Which is what I think ishappening, to cause fear in
their heart.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
Right To drive them away.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
And the culmination of all of that is the antichrist
, and and a real interestingconsideration is that he's the
one who's supposed to bringpeace to the middle east the
irony of it all, right the ironyof it all is that he comes and

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brings lawfulness yeah, that'swild, but it's not lawfulness,
because it's his law right, yeah, yeah, it's directly contrary
to god.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Take the sign.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Take the this, take the that, take the.
I'm gonna bring peace.
Here's the offer.
Everybody loves me and their,their yearning desire for loving
the wrong thing.
He is the if.
Christ is the answer to truelove, the one who is a different

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Christ or opposed to Christ isthe answer to false love.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
Yeah, this is.
It's a trap that you know isall too available in the New Age
too and again I come from thiscontext.
Obviously, this was my life forso long.
You have a sad person who livesin a fallen world, who's a
fallen person themselves, whogoes to the self-help section of
a bookstore yeah, yeah, wow.
A book that tells them loveyour soul, love your body, love

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your emotions.
You deserve this, you deservethat because you're a spiritual,
beautiful being who's connectedto divinity.
And if you love yourself enough,the divine is going to flow
through you, right?
Yeah, yeah, wow, and it's, itsatisfies something
psychologically, it does so deep, right, but then we see so
clearly now the divide betweensoul and spirit yeah and how the

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soul is, there, is, is isessentially focused on,
completely in the spirit,disregarded completely where the
spirit is, is is our access toGod.
In a lot of ways, right, andit's that part of us that
Communion yeah, exactly,communion, exactly.
The Holy Spirit has access tous through our Spirit.
So it's like the full focus,the hyperfixation on the soul,

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the body, the mind, the will,the emotions.
This is all the love of selfright there and it's satisfying
to the person that doesn't havethe gospel.
That's right, it really is.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
Which is why the gospel in itself is the only
cure for selfishness andself-love, all the selves,
self-absorption, self-love,selfishness, all of it.
And to go back to what Jessesaid a minute ago concerning,
like, people not knowing thelove of God and they should know
it I think that's an issue thatwe're having in the church too.
People are not and, by the way,this isn't new.
Right, like in the OldTestament, you had, you know

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God's people saying how have youloved us?
The whole Jacob, I loved Esau,I hated passage.
They say, well, how did youlove us?
Because in the context there,they're suffering and so they
can't imagine God loving them inthis context, because that's
how we think.
In the New Testament you havethe scene where they're on a
boat and a storm comes and Jesusis asleep and they say Master,
wake up.
Don't you love us?

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Right, and that's how peoplethink Don't you care?
And so, again, this isn't new.
Anytime we go through suffering,we think, well, I wouldn't let
my kids do that.
Therefore, this cannot be love.
How are you loving me?
But I'll say this Christ cameto show us the way he suffered

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and then he reigned.
It was a cross to bear beforethe crown.
Likewise, as Christians, wehave to embrace this reality,
otherwise we are going to not dowell when suffering comes.
And suffering will come.
It comes already in variousforms throughout life
difficulties with friendships,relationships, work.
It's going to come far worsethan that in the future, and if
you can't settle the fact thatGod loves you now, specifically

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because of the gospel in and ofitself, you're going to suffer.
So I would caution peoplelistening.
Please master the gospel oreven better yet, let the gospel
master you Consider the claimsof Christ and what he's done for
you specifically, and let thatbe the only proof, your biggest
proof, of God's love, becauseapart from that, you will not do
well when difficulties come.

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
That's right and the way I've said it is.
You know, the greatestdemonstration of the love of God
is the crucifixion andresurrection of the Son 100%.
And here's the fact.
If he never did another thing,for me the gospel is enough.

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
Way more than enough.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Salvation is enough.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
How do.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
I know that, though.
If I don't have that set now,then, when suffering and
persecution comes, I will beginto doubt his love for me.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
I'm believing that his love is caught up in some
sort of physical comfort.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
Thing right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Instead of the premier demonstration of his
love, greater love for him, thenthis thing laid down his life
for his friends, that that Godhas absolutely demonstrated his
love.
And whatever I'm happening, ishappening to me right now, is
temporary.
I have an eternity with, withmy savior.
That is glorious and willeclipse anything here, and
there's a day coming when hewill wipe away every tear, and
it heaven's not going when hewill wipe away every tear amen
and it heaven's not going to beboring with a bunch of clouds

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and fat little angels with likefor real, real talk that's a
gross view of heaven yeah,that's stupid boring, in my
opinion, I think that the newheavens and the new earth is
going to be much more gloriousthan anything we have here, and
when you look here and you lookat the cosmos, it is a glorious

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thing and because we are rulingand reigning with the Savior
which was the plan the wholetime a shared throne that we are
going to be having such a goodtime with Him, in Him,
experiencing Him, and joy willbe the primary lot for the
believer.
Joy and glory, joy and glory,joy and glory, joy and glory.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
I'm going to stress that even further, bro, tell me
what you think about this,because we're going to be
eternal in heaven.
And if heaven was simplystreets, of gold and all the fun
stuff that you can imagine, letyour mind think about two
million billion years from now.
That'll get boring, but heavenis not going to be heaven or

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glorious or joyful, becausethere are cool things to
experience.
There's an infinite being therewho never gets boring because
he himself is infinite.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
I think of these angels in Isaiah's vision.
He sees angels before thethrone and their whole job day
and night if I could use thephrase day and night to describe
time.
All they're doing is screamingHoly, holy, holy, and they're
not bored bro.
They see something of thisinfinite God, who is like the
Bible says.
Everything else will wear likea scroll, but he is eternal.

(01:06:14):
The implication there is you'veexperienced fun things.
You've experienced food,intimacy with the wife, all
kinds of things you could thinkabout, but did you realize,
though, these things have anending.
You have to wait a little whilebefore you enjoy it again.
If I eat the best foods, I getfull.
If I eat on a full stomach,I'll throw up.
I can't have sex 24 seven.
I need a break.
I'm sorry, I'm not a rabbit.
All these things because we'retemporal.

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There's a break, there's apause, there's a synapse
occurring, not the infinite one,not the eternal one, and that's
why heaven will be heaven.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
I agree.
Yeah, I completely agree.
There's a sermon by Sam Stormsthat he did at a Desiring God
conference that I listen toregularly and maybe we can link
it in the thing.
But he does an exposition onjonathan edwards's view of

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heaven and he says uh, he, hecomes to the conclusion that
heaven is this ever-increasing,um, rising wave of joy and glory
and exchange between us and godand each other.
Actually, absolutely, andbecause heaven and is infinite
and we're dealing with a godwho's infinite, it never stops,
yep.
So instead of a rising tide,glory to glory abates.

(01:07:27):
It never abates.
Yep, and because god isinfinite and I'm not, I will
spend eternity finding newthings, yes, my point yes,
experiencing never getting bored.
Yes, even in heaven, though, weare eternal, and we are eternal.
We're all eternal beings,meaning we'll last forever.
We're not infinite.
We are not Correct.
We have a beginning and wehaven't, and we've got

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boundaries on us.

Speaker 4 (01:07:53):
Yes, right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:55):
And that may go away.
But me as a thing, as a createdbeing, I have a beginning,
which means that I've got somesense of ability to be measured.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
God doesn't have that .

Speaker 3 (01:08:06):
And so every day I will experience something with
him that is absolutely new andglorious.
And these angels that areflying around the throne they
are seeing new facets of theinfinite one every moment, right
to where their their holy, holy, holy is not a rote obligation,

(01:08:27):
it's not a a meaninglessperfunctory.
Just this is my job and I'm notgoing to be, you know, like the
robot that says hi to everycustomer that walks before
that's.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
That's not what it is you could not drag them away
from that site.

Speaker 3 (01:08:40):
No, they're they got souls too, by the way.
They are fully engaged andcaptured by him in that moment,
which is one of the reasons whythe fall of satan is so crazy
yes, yes yes, he was a cherubim,according to to which means
that he was a throne guardian.
He's part of the throne and hefell from that spot.

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Like the closest you can get toGod without being a part of God
, which is why he's so jealousabout us, because God makes us a
part of him.
He shares himself with us,which the angelic and the devil
will never get, they never had,and so the devil's very jealous
about humans.
It's one of the reasons why hefiercely hates us so much.

(01:09:21):
It's because God gives ussomething he never had and he
will never have, and he hatesthat.
And in my mind, I tend to thinkbecause of the title of Jesus,
a son of the morning star, inthe book of Revelation, which
coincides to the name of satanin isaiah right yeah that our

(01:09:45):
place in the sun replaces wherethe devil fell sure yeah

Speaker 4 (01:09:52):
what is?
That I can't conjecture thoughuh, yeah, it is.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
It is, it is assumption and can in conjecture
, but I think it's a good butgood one.

Speaker 4 (01:10:00):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, so go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Yeah, it would stand to reason too that the enemy
would be the God of self.
The lowercase g.
God of self 100% Right, becausethat's all he has.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
That's where he fell from.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
He's severed from God yeah.
All he has is self.

Speaker 3 (01:10:25):
So of course it's the .
I think it's the seven I willsit was completely about self,
though yeah, I will ascend.
Yeah, wow, yeah so, um, we'vebeen talking about the heavenly
thing and, by by way oftransition, the last point,
because a lot of folks listening, um, you're going to hear about
the rise of systemic conflictand the rise of self-love, and

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it's like, oh my gosh, this isdepressing, this is terrible.
And then we talk about thefuture heavens, and that's a joy
and a joy to look forward to.
But now you've kind of got thisgap where you're still like ugh
about what's coming, kind ofgot this gap where you're still
like ugh about what's coming.
And the folks who are right nowterrified about the potential
of a race war, the potential ofeven a civil war in America, all

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of these things are fears thatare happening.
And so the last thing, thethree things, are the rise of
systemic conflict, meaning inevery zone.
The second is the rise ofself-love.
But the third is the best part,and it's this it's the rise of
the mountain of the house of theLord.
And so I'm just going to readit.

(01:11:32):
It's Micah 4, verse 1.
And he says this he says comeabout in the last days that the
mountain of the house of thelord will be established as the
chief of mountains and it willbe raised above the hills and
the peoples will stream to itand the nations will come and
say come and let us go up to themountain of the lord and to the

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house of the god of jacob, thathe may teach us his ways and
that we may walk in his paths.
And for for Zion, for from Zion, will go forth the law, even
the word of the Lord fromJerusalem.
And so here's why I want totell you, brother or sister in

(01:12:24):
the Christian, if you are inrelationship with Jesus, is this
the end times are not happeningto you, you are happening to
the end times.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Yeah, come on Perspective.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
There is overcoming that is purposed for you, and
that pathway may be fraught withdanger and may be fraught with
suffering, but overcoming is theend thereof.
And in that process there isdemonstration of his kingdom.
Yes, and it's that kingdom thatdisplaces the lesser kingdom.

Speaker 4 (01:13:00):
Yes, it's that kingdom.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
that is, so that you may know it is that kingdom.
That is what Terrence mentionedearlier in the Old Testament.
Now you know the Lord, your God.
Now you know this, and it isthe supernatural lifestyle of
the believer.
And when you read Hebrews 11,it's like they shut the mouths
of lions.
They raised the dead, which areall glorious.

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And then it says this and theysuffered, yeah, they're like
yeah, yeah, wait what?
and they were sawn in two andthey were persecuted and they
were lived in caves and theywere so you've got all of this
thing of this.
What is patently supernaturaldemonstration?
Resurrection from the dead.
And then another supernaturaldemonstration, which is how do

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you bear up under suffering in away that the world goes?
I don't get it.
Those both come from the samespot.
That thing is the rise of themountain of the house of the
Lord.
And to those of you who arelistening.
This is the reason why churchis so important, because
mountain of the house of thelord is the church of the living

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god, who is zion, theovercoming church right.
And that that's not to say thatthere's not false churches out
there there is.
And it's not to say that thechurch you're in is perfect.
It's not that.
It is to say that, as thisthing that's rising in matthew,
chapter 4, is developing, thevery last verse of matthew, 24,

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says this read uh, we'll startin.
Uh, in 12, 12-14, jesus saysbecause lawlessness is increased
, many people's love will growcold, but the one who endures to
the end, he will be saved.
Verse 14 here's the rise of themountain of the house of lord.
This gospel of the kingdomshall be preached in the whole

(01:14:52):
world as a testimony to all thenations.
Yes, and then the end will comeyes so what does that mean?
do the math?
In this rise of conflict, inthis rise of war and this rise
of false prophets, and this riseof betrayal and and all of this
stuff, the rise of the love ofmany growing cold, the all of

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this law, all the all the stuff,there is going to be a company
of people completely on fire forJesus.

Speaker 4 (01:15:22):
Praise God, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Standing in the middle of it preaching the
gospel Amen.
And their shout will be I willnot love my life, even when
faced with death because he'sworked in my life, I have the
testimony of what he's done andI've been saved by the blood of
the Lamb, and this will develop.
One of the themes that we haveas a church for this year is the

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development of the land ofgoshen, and the land of goshen
is the place where, wheneverything else in egypt is
going flipping bonkers, the landof goshen is just fine, thank
you.
How do we see that in inmicrocosm today?
Rice fields in thailand, Idon't know.

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Pick some place.
Why is everybody else's ricefields destroyed with the
christian?
Yeah?
yeah santa rosa and the fires2017 2018.
We had a family right in themiddle of the fires.
They walk into their backyard.
Their house is standing afterthe fires and they see a

(01:16:37):
partially burnt ember and a pileof dry leaves on the side of
their house.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
That went out somehow Amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:16:41):
Yeah, you were here bro Praise God.

Speaker 4 (01:16:42):
That was crazy.
That was definitely God man.
That sounds like egypt withmoses man like all the doors.
That's the land of the ocean.

Speaker 3 (01:16:48):
Yeah, for sure that's where they were given, there,
you go they, they came in andthey got the best of the land
under joseph.
They lived in the best of theland for the 400 years and then,
when judgment came againstEgypt, stuff fell everywhere but
the land of Goshen.
And here's what happened, theEgyptians who were paying
attention.
They were like why is ithappening to us and it's not

(01:17:11):
happening to them?
And they automatically knew this.
Yahweh is greater than our gods.
Yes, and we know that that'sactually a demonstration against
real supernatural powers.
God is like I'm gonna.
You know, neener, neener, hereI come.
The showdown, the yeah you knowfirst kings, 18 elijah and the
450 prophets of baal stuff yeah,and and even exodus even says

(01:17:36):
it I am, I am executing myjudgment against the gods of
egypt.
Yep, and if they're not realbeings, they're not gods.
They're not actuallyontologically gods.
They are not in their naturegods, but they present
themselves as such.
If they're not real beings, whyis that statement even there,
yep, like why, okay, you'regoing to execute judgment

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against something that doesn'texist?
Like that's not a sign of thing.
So God is executing judgmentagainst the gods of egypt.
He's executing judgment againstpharaoh and the persecutors of
his people.
Yep, and his people are spared.
And so when, when they leave,talk about evangelism, hey, we,

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we want your god, because yourgod's obviously greater.
That's right.
And the church grows yeah in themidst of that because of this
protective element of the landof goshen.
And so, christian, I want totell you I was listening to one
of jamie's interviews last yearand you know he does a lot, of,

(01:18:40):
a lot of interviews where folkswant to know about the, the woo,
woo stuff.
They, you know, they want toknow the any.
And they were like what do I doabout a nuclear war?
And Jamie was like this dude,you pray you're right underneath
the bomb, cause a, you won'tfeel anything and B, you're
going to see your King.
And if that doesn't comfort you, you better check your
relationship with straight tothe point.

(01:19:01):
There you go I was like that'smy dude man.
So so what's the what's thevalue?
If you know your god, you'regonna can't lose, yeah you can't
lose.

Speaker 4 (01:19:16):
You're gonna do great exploits.
What's that?

Speaker 3 (01:19:18):
you're gonna do great exploits if you know you're
gone going to do great exploitsIf you know you're gone.
End of Daniel.
You're going to shine like thestars of the heaven and you're
going to lead the many torighteousness.
Yeah, and we're going to have inthis zone and whatever your
view is on the rapture, pre-trip, post-trip, mid-trip, whatever
this stuff that happens inMatthew 24 is before the great

(01:19:38):
tribulation period, you know.
So, whatever your view is, thisis what's coming pre, post, mid
, whatever.
In that zone.
If you know your God, you'regoing to have the most fantastic

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opportunities to demonstratethe gospel and get people saved.
That's right.
And get people saved,demonstrate the gospel, yes, and
get people saved yes.
And get people saved.
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:20:05):
Yep, whether that is, whether that is through the
parts we like, like the greatexploits, like you mentioned
Hebrews 11, I love that text,yep.
They did great exploits, likeovercoming kingdoms, raising the
dead, all these things we wantto do, and then the other half
suffer well, suffer, well.
Right, we're going to do itthat way too, by God's grace.

Speaker 3 (01:20:24):
Whichever way, god and His sovereignty.

Speaker 4 (01:20:25):
Choose for us, we'll do the great exploits.

Speaker 3 (01:20:28):
That's why I love Hebrews 11, because it has both.
It has what people wouldconsider great exploits.
And it has suffering and ifyou're reading it right,
suffering well is a greatexploit 100%, which is why it
says the world is not worthy ofthat.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
I had that little caveat, I was just going to cite
it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
I was just going to cite it yeah yeah, my bad, I
didn't want to steal yourthunder.
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (01:20:49):
It ain't yours or mine anyway, baby boy Amen amen.
Yeah, so we're tracking, we'regrooving.
So those who are afraid, listen.
If you're afraid, I wouldencourage you to go check your
relationship with the Lord.
That's right Fear.
You know?
Jamie said it a couple weeksago the only fear that becomes

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the Christian is fear of theLord.
That's right, that's it, that'sit.
And so, if you're afraid, Iwould point you back to knowing
God.
So, if you're afraid, I wouldpoint you back to knowing God.
I would point you back toreading the scripture
fellowshipping in church, beingdiscipled, like the basics of
Christianity that help root youand ground you.

(01:21:35):
Because Psalm 125 says thisthose who trust in the Lord are
as mount sion, unshakable, yeah,and you want that unshakability
.
That rise of the mountain ofthe house of the lord will be
absolutely unconquerable.
Unshakable, yeah, and you know,to terence's point, the

(01:21:56):
definition of victory in heavenis is sometimes different than
our definition of victory on theface of the planet.
Remember that the, the heavenlybeing, tells john stop weeping.
The lion of the tribe of judahhas overcome and you would
expect that in the nextdescription of of the moment,
you would expect to see a lionvictorious, and you know that's

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how we see.
You see a lamb standing as ifslain, obviously having died and
rose again.
Yeah, and so the the definitionof victory from heaven's point
of view may not be the samedefinition of victory that you
have in your own self-love andselfishness.
There you go.
So, to the degree that that youalign yourself with the kingdom

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of God and with the gospel andwith what God is doing, you will
be unshakable Trust.

Speaker 4 (01:22:49):
God, yes, you have to be strong in the gospel.

Speaker 3 (01:22:52):
Yeah, that's right.
And the gospel is where you areunshakable.
Yeah, that is the place.
Read the end of Romans 8.
Neither height nor depth norangels, nor principal.
And he outlines all the demonicstructure, all the bad stuff is
there Can separate us from thelove of God and Christ, and he
mentions tribulations andsuffering 100%.

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
yeah, I want to read something.
All of that's there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
Yeah, all of that's there, right, you cannot be
separated from the love of Godand Christ.

Speaker 4 (01:23:20):
It's.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
God.
And so go back to the Savior.
Be won freshly again by thegospel yes, be wooed freshly
again by what he's done in hiscross and his resurrection.
Be impressed freshly again bythe fact that he wants to use
you.
I mean, that's what the day ofPentecost was about, and we
celebrated it yesterday.

(01:23:41):
Yes, it's the empowerment ofthe church by this event called
baptism in the Holy Spirit.
That's not salvation, in whichhis people are empowered to do
what he did in his three and ahalf years of ministry and
spread the gospel to the ends ofthe earth.
Come on, yes, and be capturedonce again by the fact that the

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God, who's writing the greateststory ever told, has written
your name in his story.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
Come on yes, yes, yes , amen.
My favorite book World War baby.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (01:24:18):
And we're part of it.
We're part of it.

Speaker 4 (01:24:20):
Amen so fear not brethren.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
Stand in the love of the Lord.
Guys, thank you so much forthis nice and we're part of it.
We're part of amen.
So if you're not, brethren,stand in the love of the lord,
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It's really really great stuff.
Um, absolutely man and it andit connects so many dots for me
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the audience like it is, andyeah, like you know, bless me a
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Speaker 4 (01:25:03):
Yeah, praise God, man Praise God, bless everyone
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Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
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