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September 30, 2025 25 mins

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President Trump’s 20-point plan to end the war in Gaza has stirred international attention — not only for its sweeping scope, but also for the unusual support it has drawn from key Arab states. The proposal promises an immediate ceasefire, the return of hostages, and the removal of Hamas from power, with Trump himself at the helm of a transitional authority overseeing Gaza’s reconstruction.

But the plan hinges on Hamas, the one actor yet to agree. Can the leverage of the U.S., Israel, and regional partners bring them to the table — or is this destined to join the long list of failed peace initiatives?

In this episode, Aviva sits down with Dr. Jonathan Schanzer to examine what’s realistic, what isn’t, and whether this could finally mark a turning point in nearly two years of war.

Guest Bio:

Dr. Jonathan Schanzer is Executive Director at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, where he oversees the organization’s research and policy work. A former terrorism finance analyst at the U.S. Treasury, Jonathan has tracked and disrupted funding networks for groups like Hamas and al-Qaeda. He’s authored several books on the Middle East, including Gaza Conflict 2021, State of Failure, and Hamas vs. Fatah. A frequent congressional witness and media commentator, his analysis appears regularly in major outlets including CNN, Fox News, and the BBC.

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