May 22, 2025 • 29 mins
Motherhood affects us all – whether we're mothers, have mothers, or are nurturing in other ways. Today's episode dives deep into the transformative power of the maternal connection, exploring what science now reveals about the profound physical and psychological changes that occur during pregnancy and beyond.
Did you know the postpartum period actually lasts five years? Or that a mother's brain undergoes structural changes after birth, heightening her intuitive connection to her child?
We explore how our earliest relationship with our mothers shapes our entire lives, influencing our self-perception, relationship patterns, and nervous system regulation. Whether your maternal relationship was nurturing or challenging, understanding these influences provides powerful opportunities for healing.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to the Heal Yourself Podcast, where we dive
deep into all things healing.
I'm Denise, a speech andlanguage pathologist and a
self-love coach for adults andteens.
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From the latest in functionalmedicine, of healing your body,
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even transforming your moneystory.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
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tools to create lasting change.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
So, whether you're looking to heal physically,
emotionally or spiritually, joinus as we explore the many paths
to wholeness and wellness.
Hey guys, welcome back toanother episode of Heal Yourself
Podcast, and today you haveDenise and I talking about
(00:59):
motherhood.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I know it's the day after Mother's Day, but right,
that's all right, you know, it'sstill relevant.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
It is relevant because motherhood is motherhood
.
So what postpartum means, youknow.
So, if you know, but we'regonna get into the spiritual.
So if you're like, oh, I'm nota mom, this episode isn't
relevant to me, it still is like, as we start talking, it's
still going to be relevantbecause you have a mom.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, well, the physical, it may not have
affected you if you did notbirth, but the spiritual part
will be relevant when we'retaught, Cause I mean, there are
step mothers, there aresurrogate mothers, there are
mothers who adopted, adoptedmothers, step mother so many
types, even for mothers.
You know, like I send textmessages to my friends who are
(02:05):
not mothers of humans butthey're mothers of their fur
babies and honestly, that takeslike work.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
So gotta still keep them alive.
Well, let's start with theclinical, and I want to keep
this brief, but I think it'simportant because so many go
through pregnancy not havingdone some things that they
should be considering.
So when we look at othercountries, they actually do like
(02:34):
detoxes before even trying toget pregnant, just to prep the
womb, and here in the States Ifeel like we don't.
It's just not a common thing,right?
It's like, oh, I'm going tojust try to get pregnant, and
then women struggle to getpregnant because of so many
various things.
Or they get pregnant and thenthey realize down the line like
wait a minute, I passed down anyheavy metals, any nutrient
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deficiencies, like all of thisstuff, and so I think it's
(03:19):
important to have theconversation of what does it
look like to prep to become amother?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
And I mean, I think that can vary from person to
person.
Denise, I'm curious when yousaid, like okay, second, after
my second baby, you know, aftermy daughter was born.
However, though, I did knowthat I needed, because I was
such an unhealthy person Like Ididn't eat vegetables, I didn't
eat enough food, I didn't eatenough nutrients, eat enough
(03:47):
food.
I didn't eat enough nutrients.
So, when I was pregnant, Istarted researching more and,
kind of, like you know, eating alittle bit more of the
nutrients that my baby needs.
But it was just me, like I,yeah, I was pregnant.
What my first baby?
I was pregnant in 2005, butyeah, there was not, not really,
and I think, like 2005, I don'tthink like how holistic health
was, like, how big.
(04:07):
I think it's way bigger now.
Oh, it is for sure.
Like you know, when you and Iwere pregnant, I feel it was
just there's just so muchinformation out there.
Now there's more research, yeah, but I didn't know.
How about you, Did you know?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Um, yes and no.
I mean, I was finishing mynutrition degree so I knew
enough to like, oh, I'm going toeat these things, I'm going to
take these types of supplements,but I really didn't consider
heavy metal detoxes, I didn'teven.
You know like.
I saw a midwife and she ran mylabs and I was told everything
was okay.
But I didn't know anythingabout monitoring nutrient levels
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because I didn't like.
No one told me you really do,as a mother, pass down your
nutrient levels, so if you'renutritionally depleted, they're
going to get that.
You pass down the majority ofyour microbiome.
There's a little bit from dad,but it's mostly from mom,
because you're hanging out inthe womb for nine months.
So, I did not spend the time tooptimize certain things, I was
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just eating, right.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, well, I ate a little bit more than I was
eating, but yeah, no, I did notknow any of that and I didn't
know anything about you knowwhat pregnancy and birth and
postpartum you know, and I meanyesterday I saw a post by you
know the holistic psychologist.
I was like, oh my gosh, likecrazy.
Yeah, like you can you know,like babies recognize, like you,
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when your brain, your brainactually alters after your
baby's born or during thepregnancy, stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
So yeah, we don't, and that's the thing.
We just take it for granted.
It's like, oh, there's thismiracle, but we don't.
We don't really do anythingwith it.
It's like, okay, really cool,but again we've got to prep.
But then look at the aftereffects.
Again, something no one evertold me was that the postpartum
period was five years.
I just took my prenatalvitamins, I think, until he was
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born and I finished them out, somaybe several months after.
Maybe I took them while I wasnursing, I don't remember.
But I certainly didn't continueto monitor anything for five
years.
And you are still superdepleted between nutrients and
sleep hormones, like all thethings.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And then some people have, like you know, babies are
really close in age, so you knowthey're like, so talk to us a
little bit.
I mean you know more with thatclinical side about, like you
know, the depletion and thenervous system and all the jazz
that we just need to understand.
And also, you know, appreciateour bodies.
(06:39):
For I feel like immediately,like what you get six weeks and
you jump in back to work and thebustle and it's like your body
didn't even recover and and then, and then sometimes like people
really dismiss the postpartum.
You know like, oh, you knowwhat's wrong with you, blah,
blah, blah, whatever.
And and you feel pressure,maybe I don't know.
(07:00):
I mean, I think that I meantalk to us about all the
beautiful.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I mean I'm so from a clinical perspective.
I want to say first, like, donot shame yourself or go into
feeling guilty if you didn't dothis stuff, because I didn't
either.
You know like I learned aboutthis because I studied
functional medicine after he wasborn, and so it is what it is.
You did the best you could.
If you are currently pregnant,or if you're like, oh my gosh,
I'm still postpartum, then startpaying attention to your
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nutrient levels.
Do an HTMA, which is a hairtissue mineral analysis.
Do some blood labs to monitornutrient levels to get those up.
That way you are eating whatyou and your baby need, or
adding in some supplements forthose nutrients if you cannot
eat enough.
And working on things like guthealth.
And then goodness knows thestress and there's a lot that
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comes with having a baby andwe're going to we're going to
spend this a little bit becausewe are going to start talking
about the spiritual lens ofhaving a baby, but there's a lot
that comes with it, like if youwere a mother.
You know what we're saying bythis, because it's a whole
different ballgame, like yourlife completely changes, not
just because you have a child,but it does.
It changes something in yourbrain.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, right, yes, and I feel that I mean it's not
like, if you want to think aboutit, it's not easy to grow being
right.
I understand that we take itfor granted because the body
doing everything behind thescenes and we're not like you're
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not worrying about it and yougo into the ultrasound and
checking, I get that, theultrasound and checking, I get
that.
But it's also like there is abig, big burden on the body that
definitely needs to beaddressed.
You know, with nutrients andwe're going to talk about the
spiritual side, but I, you know,like, I want to say like your
brain does alter and I am goingto just like find one thing that
(09:01):
I've and then you can look itup.
It's by the holisticpsychologist on Instagram and
but I really love this that.
Yeah, her brain has struck.
This is not from me, I'm justreading right, like the mom, the
mother, after giving birth.
Her brain has structuralchanges after giving birth,
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making her more sensitive to herchild's emotional state and
more intuitively connected tothem when they're in danger.
Mother's intuition is ascientific fact.
So I mean, I'm glad that theresearch has improved right now
and we have so much knowledge,you know, at this moment, moment
(09:46):
.
But also I, I wish I knew allthis information, because I
would have more.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
You know, I would have taken it easy on my body
and I've just been into likecleaning and yeah, let me get
back to work and I pulled afreaking muscle after five days
after I came home, when mydaughter was born, because I was
, I think I was just throwingthe the trash in the trash and I
had a c-section.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I was throwing that and I pulled a muscle and I was
miserable for freaking two weeks.
Not need to, you know, do likea whole situation, but I feel
that you just get so pressured,yeah, um, however, I feel like
the shift is happening.
You know, like more new momsare just also more aware.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, and paying attention, and that's the thing
too, when you're tapping intothe intuition, that does take
more nutrients, so, um, so, Imean I could talk about that all
day, but I know we want to.
We want to go a little bitdeeper.
We don't want to make thisabout, like, what do you do to
optimize your health forpregnancy or postpartum?
We want to really make it aboutmotherhood, because we all have
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mothers and, like Denise said,maybe there's also a step-mom or
an adopted mom.
Like we have mothers and that'susually the first person that
we come in.
Okay, that is the first personwe come in contact with, even if
you're taken away, right, ifyou're adopted, you're in your
mother's womb for nine months.
Think about everything you'reabsorbing.
(11:10):
So I mentioned that you canabsorb nutrients and the
microbiome, but you can also besitting in a cortisol bath.
You're absorbing their stress,you're absorbing their nervous
system.
Like there's so much that comesfrom mom that you need to know
to better understand yourself.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Okay, yes, and that's , you know, important to think
about.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah Well, and let's talk about okay so childhood and
going back to our moms.
This can be a painfulconversation.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
It could be a painful conversation, but it doesn't
have to be a painfulconversation, it doesn't have to
be, but I mean painful, becauseI think excuse me, you can
realize some patterns.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
So like, even for me, I felt like my childhood was
good, like I couldn't complainRight, I didn't have abusive
parents, they stayed married.
But as I dug into some of whatmotherhood really looked like
and what we absorb, I started torecognize patterns of like oh
my gosh, I understand why Inever feel like I'm good enough,
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because I had these unmet needsin childhood.
She wasn't fully emotionallyavailable, she was stuck in
survival mode and I canguarantee she never resolved
trauma from her own life.
Now I'm not saying that tofault my mother and I don't want
anyone to do that, but torecognize yeah, how did that
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show up in my life now?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Right, and what can you do to change it?
Right?
So, yes, recognizing thepattern, but not blaming.
And no parents, I mean.
And even in the shittiestsituations, kira, even if people
have gone through the abuse orthrough abandonment or whatever,
it's also important tounderstand that holding the
grudge doesn't help anybody,right?
(13:08):
So what happens is our parentsdid what they can do with the
tools that they knew and theyhad, right, we have different
tools, we have different things.
However, I love what you'resaying is recognizing those
patterns.
Right, it did.
I mean to me, it required methe remodel and living with my
parents for a year to understand, like, wait a minute.
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A minute, some of the emotions,some of the things that I say,
some of the patterns that I do,is being reflected in front of
coming from me.
And it took me a minute.
And this is when we kind of goback to the episodes where we
always say dig through themessiness, because when I was
digging through the messiness,and every time I would say wait
a minute, those are not myemotions, you know, those are
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not my thoughts, those are notthis, and this is how you also
start reparenting yourself inorder to fulfill those needs,
right?
So like, for example I'm goingto give an example my mom is
very OCD, very I'm the old, alsothe oldest, and very was very,
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very, very strict on our grades.
You know, like got to have thegood grades and everything.
So I really grew up with like,making sure, like this high
achiever level, like I alwaysgot to be, you know, have the
good grades, have the, you know,get the certifications, get the
degrees, get the, get all thatRight, and I just, but then what
did that leave me with?
(14:33):
Like that stress, that constantstress, and I keep talking
about it and sometimes I am, Ifeel like I'm a broken record,
but like the Mondays would like,oh, my goodness.
And I worked so hard to achievethe Mondays I have.
Now I have nothing on theschedule other than you know,
recording with you or you know.
But but I had to reparent thischild.
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I was like I have to tell it'sokay, there's no test right now,
you're not having to fail, momis not checking your grades,
you're not having to show momthe report card.
That's not the best, eventhough I always had good report
cards, but if they were not toher liking, it was gonna be a
situation, you know, and thenher liking is like a plus plus,
you know, and.
(15:15):
And then I always remind myself, like, look at you, you turned
out amazing, you know.
And and then, however, um, itdoes require some reparenting if
those that some of the needs,and my and my parents were
amazing parents, you know, uh,and but again, like I, they were
doing what they knew, what todo in the moment that they were
going through and the situationsand the experiences.
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I have to also remember thatthey were going through a war
and they were trying to raisechildren doing that.
So, yes, they were in survivalmode.
I had to remind myself that mymother was in survival mode, you
know, and my dad, like whenthey were raising us, you know.
Can you imagine, like you'rewatching the justice at home and
then bombs start, like you know?
And my dad, like when they wereraising us, you know?
Can you imagine like you'rewatching the justice at home and
then bombs start, like you know, dropping, and then you have to
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leave everything and callpeople to pick up your children,
like, yeah, you know.
So, like understanding wherethey came from, instead of
blaming and pointing fingers?
That's what I, I have have doneand been doing and continue to
do, because it never ends.
You know, the patterns aresometimes really rooted, so
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recognizing the patterns andchoosing differently.
But it's really important notto blame and not to hold the
grudges.
Because, it doesn't serve you,Like there's there is no purpose
.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
It purpose, in fact.
It's harming you if you'reholding on to grudges and blame
and, like you said and I thinkit's so perfect, we hear it all
the time but your parents didthe best they could with what
they had, just like you arecurrently doing the best you can
with what you have.
Nobody says I hope to be theshittiest mom in the world.
It doesn't work that way.
(16:53):
So please let go of any of theblame, but start to look at how
did I grow up, like you said, ifI was raised in a family where
my mom was constantly franticand thinking about oh my gosh,
when's the bomb going to drop?
Yes, you're raised in a warenvironment, so you're already
going to be dysregulated, butyou're adopting that.
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That's what you're witnessing.
So if our parents are regulatedwhen we grow up, we're going to
be regulated.
If they hated themselves, we'regoing to learn to criticize
ourselves.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
If they felt left out , we're going to be left out.
If that constantly you heard, oh, got left out, we're gonna.
Yes, if that constantly youheard, oh, the fear of missing
out.
You know it's um, yeah, it'sjust.
But also I have to alsoremember that, um, I'm gonna
give an example of dr windiretalks about it too he's never
met his dad.
His dad abandoned them when theywere, when he was a baby and
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his whole adult life all he wasobsessed to meet his dad.
He tried to find him and thisand this and this and I know he
talks about it in one of hisbooks and I don't know.
You can always look it up, youknow when they're talking about
forgiving his dad.
And finally he, I think hefinally was able to go to his
funeral or something.
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And this is when, um, he justforgave him.
And this is a man who's nevermet his dad.
His dad abandoned him.
Mom had to put them in a fosterhome for a few years, I think,
so she can get herself, um, youknow all financially and really
hard to get all her boys back,etc.
Etc.
But he felt the minute heforgave his dad, he and like
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he's never met him, you know,and he felt that, that freedom,
and he talks about it, stufflike that.
So you know, like, yes, you andI did not have shitty parents
and our parents still in ourlives, but we also have to
remember, and that there'ssomebody maybe listening that
don't have that right or theydidn't have this to the parent
or the abandonment or whatever.
(18:53):
We're not here to tell you.
You know, not to be angry or toget upset, I get it.
I get it, but what are thoseemotions doing?
Right?
so yeah, freedom is just with,with letting go understanding.
You know what my parents did,what they.
They can do with what they had,but now it's my job.
I'm the adult now.
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Now I can reparent myself.
I can show up as the motherthat I wanted, even if you had a
great mother, but you may haveneeded something different.
Show up with that right.
So that's now.
It's your turn, right now, totake that responsibility and
that's where, instead of holdingthe grudge and pointing the
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finger, you're taking back yourpower and you're re-parenting
that child.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
We all need to.
I just want to clarify we allneed to re-parent ourselves.
Even if you had the mostamazing mom out there, there are
patterns that you adopted thatare not serving you, I guarantee
it, and, like Denise said, youcould have had the worst
upbringing and you have a lotmore to work through.
But we all have some aspectswhere we need to reparent
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ourselves and we need to look atwhat does motherhood mean to us
, like whether we're a mom ornot, and I actually I want to
bring that in.
Yes, if you do have kids, okay.
So now we're talking aboutmotherhood, but if you have a
kid, your kids are your mirrorsand this can be a really
powerful one, because I thinkour kids can be our spiritual
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teachers, and I've always saidthat about my son, who's nine
right and not even fully verbal.
I can't sit and have a legitconversation with him.
He's only partly verbal, but heis my spiritual teacher.
He's not a project, and I thinksometimes it's easy to look at
our kids as like oh, I got tofix this and I got to do this
and I got to do that.
Oh, they're acting out here,they are our mirrors and they
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are here to teach us and we canlearn from each other.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Absolutely, and I really love that.
No matter how much you'rebutting heads with your kid, I
remember every time I share withyou about something you're
constantly telling me or askingme this question what is this
teaching you?
It's always something that'steaching us, even when your kids
trigger you, activate you, whenthey say something or do
something.
It's hard to admit that it is.
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They are your mirror and theyare constantly portraying the
unconscious part of you.
So this is when you're likewhat does what still needs to be
healed?
You know why her behavior is abehavior, or his words or her
words, or actions or inactions.
You know what is thatunconscious part in me that
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still needs to be healed, right?
So this is how you know youwant to view not just your kids,
every relationship in your lifeas a mirror, but your kids are
with you constantly and they dobring out those unconscious
parts.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
They do, because then it goes off Well and then it
goes back to the mother again.
If you grew up with your motherright, you lived in the house
with her, whatever it becomeseven harder to parent because if
there were things that you werelacking that you really felt
like gosh.
My mother was reallyemotionally unavailable or she
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did X Y Z when I was a child andI needed her to show me more
love.
Now you have a kid and you havea choice.
Am I going to repeat thesepatterns or am I going to push
past what feels veryuncomfortable and give my child
what I didn't have and thattakes a lot of effort to say.
I'm going to give my child, ormy children, what I never had,
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what was not available to meExactly.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
And that's how you change generations right,
generational curses, traumas,whatever.
Or you build up on thegenerational wealth right and
you rebuild, or whatever.
But yeah, I always say, likeyou know the things, I take what
I like from you know theculture, or from my upbringing,
etc.
But I always put my own twiston it.
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And again, again, motherhooddoes not come with the manual.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I've looked for one.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So even the things that we're saying, you may not
agree with, and that's okay,because we're just two people
that are sharing an opinion, andit could be something.
Your opinion could be somethingcompletely different, and
that's fine.
There's no right or wrong.
It's just that we always wantto do different.
I feel, and that's how I see it, I want to do different and I
want to do better for mychildren.
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I always tell them as well, youknow, don't also carry on the
same change, you know?
Whatever?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
You have to become conscious of those patterns.
It goes back to awareness.
You and I have said this beforeLook, look at your life, look
at how you show up in the world,look at how your mother showed
up in the world and I know we'renot talking about dads, but you
can throw dad in there, dad inthere too, but how did
specifically your mom, if youwere going to become a mother,
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how did your mother show up foryou?
How do you want to show up?
And you can break that, and youknow we love talking books.
Denise always has some goodquotes, but I'm just going to
say if you are not familiar withMark Wollins it didn't start
with you I highly recommend thatbecause that is looking at
family constellations andbreaking generational trauma and
learning how to forgive ifthere are significant not even
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significant.
It was still a powerful bookfor me and there weren't
significant issues, but if youhave significant issues or
trauma from childhood aroundparents, it can be a really
powerful read with all of theactivities he has in there.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yes, I like the book, I like the exercises.
Some of them, I mean, they'reinvolved.
You got to dig deep.
I get it.
That's the beauty of diggingdeep and that's the thing.
There's no I mean again,there's no magic wand, there's
no automatic.
Things are just going to happen.
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Everything's going to go away,just you know doing the work and
looking within.
And it's also about having funand making a light of it too,
and not just constantly.
Everything is, you know, trauma, trauma, trauma, you know this,
or whatever, like constantly.
You know, not just rememberingto parent to reparent that child
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, but also, you know, remindingher or him to to play more and
to have fun more and to satisfythose needs, cause there's a lot
of people who grew up withparents who were very serious
and not allow them to play.
They had to grow up way fasterthan that, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
So, yeah, and I I mean, I think for those that are
like what the heck do you meanby reparenting, Look at your
childhood and look at what youwanted.
Like Denise just said it, Ifyou always wanted to be that kid
who was out there playing butyou couldn't because your
parents were strict or whateverrules, then allow yourself that
time to play that you didn't get.
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If you needed time alonebecause you had a ton of
siblings and you felt like yourparents were strict and you
never got to leave, giveyourself the alone time.
So look at what you needed inchildhood and give yourself that
.
Now that's what we mean byreparenting and denise.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
You might have additional thoughts around that
too, but no, I love it and thankyou for you know.
I know sometimes we say thingsand then you know we forget that
we've been using these termsfor a long time.
I love your very simpleexplanation.
Yeah, so, basically, giveyourself what you did not get
right.
And we're not saying like, ohmy gosh, if you are deprived of,
like you know, the clothes andthings, you're going to go and
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put yourself in debt.
This is not what we're saying.
Right, the things that we sayDon't take everything literally.
I know, but like you know, yeah, like look where.
And again, I, we keep sayinglook, you know.
We keep saying you know, bringup your awareness.
And I, and I really hope thatwith every episode of this
podcast, we are giving you theopportunity to, like, even you
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know, look a little deeper orthink a little deeper or
differently.
You know, yeah, so, yeah haveany questions?
I don't know.
I think it's just the wholeepisode, just a self-reflection.
You know, reflect on yourchildhood, reflect on you, know
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how you want to be the motherthat you want to show up Right,
because, remember, the past isdone and over with Right.
It's what we do with thepresent moment that matters.
So if you don't want to gobecause sometimes people say
like it's tough to go back andto remember all that we're not
asking you to right, so just bemoving forward.
Who?
Who is the mom that you want toshow up to be?
Who is the mom that you want to?
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Uh, and you know what, what arethe actions, what are the
thoughts, what are the words?
You know who do you want to be,and then just carry that and,
yeah, make the choices in linewith that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
And then, from the clinical perspective, don't,
don't ignore yourself.
If you are trying to getpregnant, if you're like, oh,
I'm about to be a grandma, oryou know, my daughter is trying
to get pregnant, then have theconversations about nutrient
depletion, talk about gut health, talk about toxins none of the
sexy stuff.
But it's so important becausethere are so many women that
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struggle postpartum, not justwith depression, but with
everything intense fatigue,hormonal issues, because they
did not pay attention to that,or the postpartum period.
So it's all the things, guys.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
It is.
It's everything is related andyeah, and I really love.
I mean I wish we listened tothis episode when we were
pregnant, but I know you knowwhat I mean.
Like, I feel that there a lotof yeah it's a topic yeah, it is
.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Then there's more.
We can say.
So, as always, guys, if youhave follow-up questions, we're
on instagram, so find us, drop,drop us a DM, let us know
specific questions you have.
We could potentially turn thatinto another podcast episode,
and Denise has said it in thepast, but if you are struggling
to master your mind around allof this, we are working on
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revamping a program, so staytuned for that.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yes, and I just want to end with you are doing an
amazing job.
You're doing what you can withwhat you have.
We really are hopeful and wehave faith that we are adding to
your toolbox and we truly,truly, truly celebrate you and
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we want to celebrate you.
So if any of the episodes areresonating or you are applying
some of the things we are sayingand you are noticing a shift or
a difference, we would love tohear from you.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, that's it All.
Right, guys, we'll see on thenext episode.
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Hey guys, welcome back toanother episode of Heal Yourself
Podcast, and today you haveDenise and I talking about
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motherhood.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I know it's the day after Mother's Day, but right,
that's all right, you know, it'sstill relevant.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
It is relevant because motherhood is motherhood
.
So what postpartum means, youknow.
So, if you know, but we'regonna get into the spiritual.
So if you're like, oh, I'm nota mom, this episode isn't
relevant to me, it still is like, as we start talking, it's
still going to be relevantbecause you have a mom.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, well, the physical, it may not have
affected you if you did notbirth, but the spiritual part
will be relevant when we'retaught, Cause I mean, there are
step mothers, there aresurrogate mothers, there are
mothers who adopted, adoptedmothers, step mother so many
types, even for mothers.
You know, like I send textmessages to my friends who are
(02:05):
not mothers of humans butthey're mothers of their fur
babies and honestly, that takeslike work.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
So gotta still keep them alive.
Well, let's start with theclinical, and I want to keep
this brief, but I think it'simportant because so many go
through pregnancy not havingdone some things that they
should be considering.
So when we look at othercountries, they actually do like
(02:34):
detoxes before even trying toget pregnant, just to prep the
womb, and here in the States Ifeel like we don't.
It's just not a common thing,right?
It's like, oh, I'm going tojust try to get pregnant, and
then women struggle to getpregnant because of so many
various things.
Or they get pregnant and thenthey realize down the line like
wait a minute, I passed down anyheavy metals, any nutrient
(02:57):
deficiencies, like all of thisstuff, and so I think it's
(03:19):
important to have theconversation of what does it
look like to prep to become amother?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
And I mean, I think that can vary from person to
person.
Denise, I'm curious when yousaid, like okay, second, after
my second baby, you know, aftermy daughter was born.
However, though, I did knowthat I needed, because I was
such an unhealthy person Like Ididn't eat vegetables, I didn't
eat enough food, I didn't eatenough nutrients, eat enough
(03:47):
food.
I didn't eat enough nutrients.
So, when I was pregnant, Istarted researching more and,
kind of, like you know, eating alittle bit more of the
nutrients that my baby needs.
But it was just me, like I,yeah, I was pregnant.
What my first baby?
I was pregnant in 2005, butyeah, there was not, not really,
and I think, like 2005, I don'tthink like how holistic health
was, like, how big.
(04:07):
I think it's way bigger now.
Oh, it is for sure.
Like you know, when you and Iwere pregnant, I feel it was
just there's just so muchinformation out there.
Now there's more research, yeah, but I didn't know.
How about you, Did you know?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Um, yes and no.
I mean, I was finishing mynutrition degree so I knew
enough to like, oh, I'm going toeat these things, I'm going to
take these types of supplements,but I really didn't consider
heavy metal detoxes, I didn'teven.
You know like.
I saw a midwife and she ran mylabs and I was told everything
was okay.
But I didn't know anythingabout monitoring nutrient levels
(04:44):
because I didn't like.
No one told me you really do,as a mother, pass down your
nutrient levels, so if you'renutritionally depleted, they're
going to get that.
You pass down the majority ofyour microbiome.
There's a little bit from dad,but it's mostly from mom,
because you're hanging out inthe womb for nine months.
So, I did not spend the time tooptimize certain things, I was
(05:06):
just eating, right.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, well, I ate a little bit more than I was
eating, but yeah, no, I did notknow any of that and I didn't
know anything about you knowwhat pregnancy and birth and
postpartum you know, and I meanyesterday I saw a post by you
know the holistic psychologist.
I was like, oh my gosh, likecrazy.
Yeah, like you can you know,like babies recognize, like you,
(05:32):
when your brain, your brainactually alters after your
baby's born or during thepregnancy, stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
So yeah, we don't, and that's the thing.
We just take it for granted.
It's like, oh, there's thismiracle, but we don't.
We don't really do anythingwith it.
It's like, okay, really cool,but again we've got to prep.
But then look at the aftereffects.
Again, something no one evertold me was that the postpartum
period was five years.
I just took my prenatalvitamins, I think, until he was
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born and I finished them out, somaybe several months after.
Maybe I took them while I wasnursing, I don't remember.
But I certainly didn't continueto monitor anything for five
years.
And you are still superdepleted between nutrients and
sleep hormones, like all thethings.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And then some people have, like you know, babies are
really close in age, so you knowthey're like, so talk to us a
little bit.
I mean you know more with thatclinical side about, like you
know, the depletion and thenervous system and all the jazz
that we just need to understand.
And also, you know, appreciateour bodies.
(06:39):
For I feel like immediately,like what you get six weeks and
you jump in back to work and thebustle and it's like your body
didn't even recover and and then, and then sometimes like people
really dismiss the postpartum.
You know like, oh, you knowwhat's wrong with you, blah,
blah, blah, whatever.
And and you feel pressure,maybe I don't know.
(07:00):
I mean, I think that I meantalk to us about all the
beautiful.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I mean I'm so from a clinical perspective.
I want to say first, like, donot shame yourself or go into
feeling guilty if you didn't dothis stuff, because I didn't
either.
You know like I learned aboutthis because I studied
functional medicine after he wasborn, and so it is what it is.
You did the best you could.
If you are currently pregnant,or if you're like, oh my gosh,
I'm still postpartum, then startpaying attention to your
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nutrient levels.
Do an HTMA, which is a hairtissue mineral analysis.
Do some blood labs to monitornutrient levels to get those up.
That way you are eating whatyou and your baby need, or
adding in some supplements forthose nutrients if you cannot
eat enough.
And working on things like guthealth.
And then goodness knows thestress and there's a lot that
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comes with having a baby andwe're going to we're going to
spend this a little bit becausewe are going to start talking
about the spiritual lens ofhaving a baby, but there's a lot
that comes with it, like if youwere a mother.
You know what we're saying bythis, because it's a whole
different ballgame, like yourlife completely changes, not
just because you have a child,but it does.
It changes something in yourbrain.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, right, yes, and I feel that I mean it's not
like, if you want to think aboutit, it's not easy to grow being
right.
I understand that we take itfor granted because the body
doing everything behind thescenes and we're not like you're
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not worrying about it and yougo into the ultrasound and
checking, I get that, theultrasound and checking, I get
that.
But it's also like there is abig, big burden on the body that
definitely needs to beaddressed.
You know, with nutrients andwe're going to talk about the
spiritual side, but I, you know,like, I want to say like your
brain does alter and I am goingto just like find one thing that
(09:01):
I've and then you can look itup.
It's by the holisticpsychologist on Instagram and
but I really love this that.
Yeah, her brain has struck.
This is not from me, I'm justreading right, like the mom, the
mother, after giving birth.
Her brain has structuralchanges after giving birth,
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making her more sensitive to herchild's emotional state and
more intuitively connected tothem when they're in danger.
Mother's intuition is ascientific fact.
So I mean, I'm glad that theresearch has improved right now
and we have so much knowledge,you know, at this moment, moment
(09:46):
.
But also I, I wish I knew allthis information, because I
would have more.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
You know, I would have taken it easy on my body
and I've just been into likecleaning and yeah, let me get
back to work and I pulled afreaking muscle after five days
after I came home, when mydaughter was born, because I was
, I think I was just throwingthe the trash in the trash and I
had a c-section.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I was throwing that and I pulled a muscle and I was
miserable for freaking two weeks.
Not need to, you know, do likea whole situation, but I feel
that you just get so pressured,yeah, um, however, I feel like
the shift is happening.
You know, like more new momsare just also more aware.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, and paying attention, and that's the thing
too, when you're tapping intothe intuition, that does take
more nutrients, so, um, so, Imean I could talk about that all
day, but I know we want to.
We want to go a little bitdeeper.
We don't want to make thisabout, like, what do you do to
optimize your health forpregnancy or postpartum?
We want to really make it aboutmotherhood, because we all have
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mothers and, like Denise said,maybe there's also a step-mom or
an adopted mom.
Like we have mothers and that'susually the first person that
we come in.
Okay, that is the first personwe come in contact with, even if
you're taken away, right, ifyou're adopted, you're in your
mother's womb for nine months.
Think about everything you'reabsorbing.
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So I mentioned that you canabsorb nutrients and the
microbiome, but you can also besitting in a cortisol bath.
You're absorbing their stress,you're absorbing their nervous
system.
Like there's so much that comesfrom mom that you need to know
to better understand yourself.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Okay, yes, and that's , you know, important to think
about.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah Well, and let's talk about okay so childhood and
going back to our moms.
This can be a painfulconversation.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
It could be a painful conversation, but it doesn't
have to be a painfulconversation, it doesn't have to
be, but I mean painful, becauseI think excuse me, you can
realize some patterns.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
So like, even for me, I felt like my childhood was
good, like I couldn't complainRight, I didn't have abusive
parents, they stayed married.
But as I dug into some of whatmotherhood really looked like
and what we absorb, I started torecognize patterns of like oh
my gosh, I understand why Inever feel like I'm good enough,
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because I had these unmet needsin childhood.
She wasn't fully emotionallyavailable, she was stuck in
survival mode and I canguarantee she never resolved
trauma from her own life.
Now I'm not saying that tofault my mother and I don't want
anyone to do that, but torecognize yeah, how did that
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show up in my life now?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Right, and what can you do to change it?
Right?
So, yes, recognizing thepattern, but not blaming.
And no parents, I mean.
And even in the shittiestsituations, kira, even if people
have gone through the abuse orthrough abandonment or whatever,
it's also important tounderstand that holding the
grudge doesn't help anybody,right?
(13:08):
So what happens is our parentsdid what they can do with the
tools that they knew and theyhad, right, we have different
tools, we have different things.
However, I love what you'resaying is recognizing those
patterns.
Right, it did.
I mean to me, it required methe remodel and living with my
parents for a year to understand, like, wait a minute.
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A minute, some of the emotions,some of the things that I say,
some of the patterns that I do,is being reflected in front of
coming from me.
And it took me a minute.
And this is when we kind of goback to the episodes where we
always say dig through themessiness, because when I was
digging through the messiness,and every time I would say wait
a minute, those are not myemotions, you know, those are
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not my thoughts, those are notthis, and this is how you also
start reparenting yourself inorder to fulfill those needs,
right?
So like, for example I'm goingto give an example my mom is
very OCD, very I'm the old, alsothe oldest, and very was very,
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very, very strict on our grades.
You know, like got to have thegood grades and everything.
So I really grew up with like,making sure, like this high
achiever level, like I alwaysgot to be, you know, have the
good grades, have the, you know,get the certifications, get the
degrees, get the, get all thatRight, and I just, but then what
did that leave me with?
(14:33):
Like that stress, that constantstress, and I keep talking
about it and sometimes I am, Ifeel like I'm a broken record,
but like the Mondays would like,oh, my goodness.
And I worked so hard to achievethe Mondays I have.
Now I have nothing on theschedule other than you know,
recording with you or you know.
But but I had to reparent thischild.
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I was like I have to tell it'sokay, there's no test right now,
you're not having to fail, momis not checking your grades,
you're not having to show momthe report card.
That's not the best, eventhough I always had good report
cards, but if they were not toher liking, it was gonna be a
situation, you know, and thenher liking is like a plus plus,
you know, and.
(15:15):
And then I always remind myself, like, look at you, you turned
out amazing, you know.
And and then, however, um, itdoes require some reparenting if
those that some of the needs,and my and my parents were
amazing parents, you know, uh,and but again, like I, they were
doing what they knew, what todo in the moment that they were
going through and the situationsand the experiences.
(15:37):
I have to also remember thatthey were going through a war
and they were trying to raisechildren doing that.
So, yes, they were in survivalmode.
I had to remind myself that mymother was in survival mode, you
know, and my dad, like whenthey were raising us, you know.
Can you imagine, like you'rewatching the justice at home and
then bombs start, like you know?
And my dad, like when they wereraising us, you know?
Can you imagine like you'rewatching the justice at home and
then bombs start, like you know, dropping, and then you have to
(15:58):
leave everything and callpeople to pick up your children,
like, yeah, you know.
So, like understanding wherethey came from, instead of
blaming and pointing fingers?
That's what I, I have have doneand been doing and continue to
do, because it never ends.
You know, the patterns aresometimes really rooted, so
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recognizing the patterns andchoosing differently.
But it's really important notto blame and not to hold the
grudges.
Because, it doesn't serve you,Like there's there is no purpose
.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
It purpose, in fact.
It's harming you if you'reholding on to grudges and blame
and, like you said and I thinkit's so perfect, we hear it all
the time but your parents didthe best they could with what
they had, just like you arecurrently doing the best you can
with what you have.
Nobody says I hope to be theshittiest mom in the world.
It doesn't work that way.
(16:53):
So please let go of any of theblame, but start to look at how
did I grow up, like you said, ifI was raised in a family where
my mom was constantly franticand thinking about oh my gosh,
when's the bomb going to drop?
Yes, you're raised in a warenvironment, so you're already
going to be dysregulated, butyou're adopting that.
(17:15):
That's what you're witnessing.
So if our parents are regulatedwhen we grow up, we're going to
be regulated.
If they hated themselves, we'regoing to learn to criticize
ourselves.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
If they felt left out , we're going to be left out.
If that constantly you heard, oh, got left out, we're gonna.
Yes, if that constantly youheard, oh, the fear of missing
out.
You know it's um, yeah, it'sjust.
But also I have to alsoremember that, um, I'm gonna
give an example of dr windiretalks about it too he's never
met his dad.
His dad abandoned them when theywere, when he was a baby and
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his whole adult life all he wasobsessed to meet his dad.
He tried to find him and thisand this and this and I know he
talks about it in one of hisbooks and I don't know.
You can always look it up, youknow when they're talking about
forgiving his dad.
And finally he, I think hefinally was able to go to his
funeral or something.
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And this is when, um, he justforgave him.
And this is a man who's nevermet his dad.
His dad abandoned him.
Mom had to put them in a fosterhome for a few years, I think,
so she can get herself, um, youknow all financially and really
hard to get all her boys back,etc.
Etc.
But he felt the minute heforgave his dad, he and like
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he's never met him, you know,and he felt that, that freedom,
and he talks about it, stufflike that.
So you know, like, yes, you andI did not have shitty parents
and our parents still in ourlives, but we also have to
remember, and that there'ssomebody maybe listening that
don't have that right or theydidn't have this to the parent
or the abandonment or whatever.
(18:53):
We're not here to tell you.
You know, not to be angry or toget upset, I get it.
I get it, but what are thoseemotions doing?
Right?
so yeah, freedom is just with,with letting go understanding.
You know what my parents did,what they.
They can do with what they had,but now it's my job.
I'm the adult now.
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Now I can reparent myself.
I can show up as the motherthat I wanted, even if you had a
great mother, but you may haveneeded something different.
Show up with that right.
So that's now.
It's your turn, right now, totake that responsibility and
that's where, instead of holdingthe grudge and pointing the
(19:33):
finger, you're taking back yourpower and you're re-parenting
that child.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
We all need to.
I just want to clarify we allneed to re-parent ourselves.
Even if you had the mostamazing mom out there, there are
patterns that you adopted thatare not serving you, I guarantee
it, and, like Denise said, youcould have had the worst
upbringing and you have a lotmore to work through.
But we all have some aspectswhere we need to reparent
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ourselves and we need to look atwhat does motherhood mean to us
, like whether we're a mom ornot, and I actually I want to
bring that in.
Yes, if you do have kids, okay.
So now we're talking aboutmotherhood, but if you have a
kid, your kids are your mirrorsand this can be a really
powerful one, because I thinkour kids can be our spiritual
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teachers, and I've always saidthat about my son, who's nine
right and not even fully verbal.
I can't sit and have a legitconversation with him.
He's only partly verbal, but heis my spiritual teacher.
He's not a project, and I thinksometimes it's easy to look at
our kids as like oh, I got tofix this and I got to do this
and I got to do that.
Oh, they're acting out here,they are our mirrors and they
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are here to teach us and we canlearn from each other.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
Absolutely, and I really love that.
No matter how much you'rebutting heads with your kid, I
remember every time I share withyou about something you're
constantly telling me or askingme this question what is this
teaching you?
It's always something that'steaching us, even when your kids
trigger you, activate you, whenthey say something or do
something.
It's hard to admit that it is.
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They are your mirror and theyare constantly portraying the
unconscious part of you.
So this is when you're likewhat does what still needs to be
healed?
You know why her behavior is abehavior, or his words or her
words, or actions or inactions.
You know what is thatunconscious part in me that
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still needs to be healed, right?
So this is how you know youwant to view not just your kids,
every relationship in your lifeas a mirror, but your kids are
with you constantly and they dobring out those unconscious
parts.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
They do, because then it goes off Well and then it
goes back to the mother again.
If you grew up with your motherright, you lived in the house
with her, whatever it becomeseven harder to parent because if
there were things that you werelacking that you really felt
like gosh.
My mother was reallyemotionally unavailable or she
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did X Y Z when I was a child andI needed her to show me more
love.
Now you have a kid and you havea choice.
Am I going to repeat thesepatterns or am I going to push
past what feels veryuncomfortable and give my child
what I didn't have and thattakes a lot of effort to say.
I'm going to give my child, ormy children, what I never had,
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what was not available to meExactly.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
And that's how you change generations right,
generational curses, traumas,whatever.
Or you build up on thegenerational wealth right and
you rebuild, or whatever.
But yeah, I always say, likeyou know the things, I take what
I like from you know theculture, or from my upbringing,
etc.
But I always put my own twiston it.
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And again, again, motherhooddoes not come with the manual.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I've looked for one.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
So even the things that we're saying, you may not
agree with, and that's okay,because we're just two people
that are sharing an opinion, andit could be something.
Your opinion could be somethingcompletely different, and
that's fine.
There's no right or wrong.
It's just that we always wantto do different.
I feel, and that's how I see it, I want to do different and I
want to do better for mychildren.
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I always tell them as well, youknow, don't also carry on the
same change, you know?
Whatever?
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
You have to become conscious of those patterns.
It goes back to awareness.
You and I have said this beforeLook, look at your life, look
at how you show up in the world,look at how your mother showed
up in the world and I know we'renot talking about dads, but you
can throw dad in there, dad inthere too, but how did
specifically your mom, if youwere going to become a mother,
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how did your mother show up foryou?
How do you want to show up?
And you can break that, and youknow we love talking books.
Denise always has some goodquotes, but I'm just going to
say if you are not familiar withMark Wollins it didn't start
with you I highly recommend thatbecause that is looking at
family constellations andbreaking generational trauma and
learning how to forgive ifthere are significant not even
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significant.
It was still a powerful bookfor me and there weren't
significant issues, but if youhave significant issues or
trauma from childhood aroundparents, it can be a really
powerful read with all of theactivities he has in there.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yes, I like the book, I like the exercises.
Some of them, I mean, they'reinvolved.
You got to dig deep.
I get it.
That's the beauty of diggingdeep and that's the thing.
There's no I mean again,there's no magic wand, there's
no automatic.
Things are just going to happen.
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Everything's going to go away,just you know doing the work and
looking within.
And it's also about having funand making a light of it too,
and not just constantly.
Everything is, you know, trauma, trauma, trauma, you know this,
or whatever, like constantly.
You know, not just rememberingto parent to reparent that child
(25:20):
, but also, you know, remindingher or him to to play more and
to have fun more and to satisfythose needs, cause there's a lot
of people who grew up withparents who were very serious
and not allow them to play.
They had to grow up way fasterthan that, you know.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
So, yeah, and I I mean, I think for those that are
like what the heck do you meanby reparenting, Look at your
childhood and look at what youwanted.
Like Denise just said it, Ifyou always wanted to be that kid
who was out there playing butyou couldn't because your
parents were strict or whateverrules, then allow yourself that
time to play that you didn't get.
(25:57):
If you needed time alonebecause you had a ton of
siblings and you felt like yourparents were strict and you
never got to leave, giveyourself the alone time.
So look at what you needed inchildhood and give yourself that
.
Now that's what we mean byreparenting and denise.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
You might have additional thoughts around that
too, but no, I love it and thankyou for you know.
I know sometimes we say thingsand then you know we forget that
we've been using these termsfor a long time.
I love your very simpleexplanation.
Yeah, so, basically, giveyourself what you did not get
right.
And we're not saying like, ohmy gosh, if you are deprived of,
like you know, the clothes andthings, you're going to go and
(26:36):
put yourself in debt.
This is not what we're saying.
Right, the things that we sayDon't take everything literally.
I know, but like you know, yeah, like look where.
And again, I, we keep sayinglook, you know.
We keep saying you know, bringup your awareness.
And I, and I really hope thatwith every episode of this
podcast, we are giving you theopportunity to, like, even you
(26:59):
know, look a little deeper orthink a little deeper or
differently.
You know, yeah, so, yeah haveany questions?
I don't know.
I think it's just the wholeepisode, just a self-reflection.
You know, reflect on yourchildhood, reflect on you, know
(27:20):
how you want to be the motherthat you want to show up Right,
because, remember, the past isdone and over with Right.
It's what we do with thepresent moment that matters.
So if you don't want to gobecause sometimes people say
like it's tough to go back andto remember all that we're not
asking you to right, so just bemoving forward.
Who?
Who is the mom that you want toshow up to be?
Who is the mom that you want to?
(27:43):
Uh, and you know what, what arethe actions, what are the
thoughts, what are the words?
You know who do you want to be,and then just carry that and,
yeah, make the choices in linewith that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
And then, from the clinical perspective, don't,
don't ignore yourself.
If you are trying to getpregnant, if you're like, oh,
I'm about to be a grandma, oryou know, my daughter is trying
to get pregnant, then have theconversations about nutrient
depletion, talk about gut health, talk about toxins none of the
sexy stuff.
But it's so important becausethere are so many women that
(28:18):
struggle postpartum, not justwith depression, but with
everything intense fatigue,hormonal issues, because they
did not pay attention to that,or the postpartum period.
So it's all the things, guys.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
It is.
It's everything is related andyeah, and I really love.
I mean I wish we listened tothis episode when we were
pregnant, but I know you knowwhat I mean.
Like, I feel that there a lotof yeah it's a topic yeah, it is
.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
Then there's more.
We can say.
So, as always, guys, if youhave follow-up questions, we're
on instagram, so find us, drop,drop us a DM, let us know
specific questions you have.
We could potentially turn thatinto another podcast episode,
and Denise has said it in thepast, but if you are struggling
to master your mind around allof this, we are working on
(29:10):
revamping a program, so staytuned for that.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yes, and I just want to end with you are doing an
amazing job.
You're doing what you can withwhat you have.
We really are hopeful and wehave faith that we are adding to
your toolbox and we truly,truly, truly celebrate you and
(29:34):
we want to celebrate you.
So if any of the episodes areresonating or you are applying
some of the things we are sayingand you are noticing a shift or
a difference, we would love tohear from you.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, that's it All.
Right, guys, we'll see on thenext episode.
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