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Is congestion pricing necessary for urban sustainability or an unconstitutional financial burden? In this episode of the Rollin' 18 podcast, we tackle the heated debate surrounding New York City's upcoming Congestion Pricing law, which is set to take effect on June 30th. Walter Gatlin unpacks the Trucking Association of New York's fierce opposition, breaking down the legal arguments and potential repercussions for truckers and daily commuters. Discover why this law could mean higher delivery costs and what actions are being taken to fight it.

But not all the news is contentious; we're also celebrating an extraordinary milestone within the trucking community. Tune in as we honor the world's oldest truck driver, who at 90 years old, continues to inspire us all with his dedication and remarkable career. Plus, we've got a fresh song recommendation to keep you company on your next haul. So grab your coffee, sit back, and join us for an episode filled with critical insights and heartwarming tales from the road.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Rollin' 18 Podcast.
This 40-year veteran is herefor anyone wanting to stay up to
date with the trucking world.
Grab your coffee, hop on boardand let's get on down the road
with Walter Gatlin.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
Hello drivers, welcome to Rollin' 18 Podcast.
I appreciate you folkslistening to my podcast.
I have started putting a videoon Rumble.
If you go to rumblecom and lookup Roland 18 podcast, you will
see that I'm putting up videosof a dash cam of me driving
through the nice countrysides ofthe state of Iowa when I make

(00:39):
my deliveries.
I think it's cool, gives yousomething to look at, and every
video is going to be different,so don't worry about it.
I've got hundreds of hours ofdash cam that I'm going to be
using and that way, if youprefer to listen to a podcast
while watching a video, I've gotyou covered.
Today's podcast is going to beabout two things.
Number one, it's going to beabout the new law that New York

(01:00):
is calling New York CityCongestion Pricing, and we're
going to tell you what thedrivers that are against that,
the associations that areagainst that, what they're going
to do because they're callingit unconstitutional.
I'm also going to talk aboutthe Guinness Book of World
Records.
Oldest truck driver is 90 yearsold.
We're going to recognize himtoo.
And then also, I'm going toplay a song today, a song

(01:23):
recommendation that you shouldlisten to while you're driving a
truck.
So we're going to have some funtoday.
Anyway, the Trucking Associationof New York is calling New York
City's congestion pricing aviolation of the Constitution
that would put a financialburden on the industry.
The Metropolitan TransportationAuthority would charge
semi-trucks using E-ZPassbetween $24 and $36 every time

(01:48):
they enter the congestion reliefzone in Manhattan from 5 am to
9 pm.
So basically they're penalizingyou for delivering stuff that
those people over in that areaordered.
Does that make a lot of sense?
People order stuff and thenthey go ahead and charge the
company because the truck has tomake a delivery.
They don't mind if you come inafter 9 pm and deliver before 5

(02:11):
am.
That makes a lot of sense, youknow.
It's as if tolls weren't highenough as they are, and I don't
even think toll roads areconstitutional, but that's just
my opinion.
It said here commercial truckswould also be charged between $6
and $9 overnight.
So they are going to charge youwhen you go in after 9 pm.
So much for that idea.

(02:31):
Cars would be charged a flatrate of $15 once a day, no
matter how many times they enterand exit the designated area.
So it looks like they're goingto rip off the four-wheelers too
.
That's good, that's good.
Keep us a little equal there.
The New York City congestionpricing is set to begin on June
30th.
The Trucking Association of NewYork, t-a-n-y, alleges in a

(02:54):
lawsuit that the New York Citycongestion pricing violates the
Commerce Clause of theConstitution, which allows
Congress to regulate commerceAmong the several states.
The lawsuit cites that theFederal Aviation Act of 1994,
which sets forth that a statemay not enact or enforce a law,
regulation or other provisionhaving to force and effect of

(03:16):
law related to prices, routes orservices of motor carriers with
respect to the transportationof property.
Now, you drivers may think thisis a company thing and you may
be right.
They may absorb the cost andnot affect your pay.
But don't get me wrong when Isay this.
It affects everything.
Anytime a motor carrier has toraise prices for whatever reason

(03:39):
, and they don't get to recoupthat through raising the cost to
the shipper, then they're goingto have to pass that on to
somebody and it's going to beyou.
It may not be this year, it maybe next year, it may be the
year after that.
It's going to affect it.
And if you don't think you getpaid enough now, wait till this
new law takes into effect Now.
The lawsuit also alleges thatthe New York City congestion

(03:59):
pricing imposes a financialburden on TANY trucks which is
not a fair approximation, theysaid, and it's not a fair
approximation of their use ofCentral Business District and it
is a financial burden on thosetrucks which is an excessive in
relation to the benefitconferred upon them.
The lawsuit also refers to theNew York City congestion pricing

(04:22):
plan as a scheme for whichthere is no prior precedent in
this country.
So I think the lawsuit's got agood chance.
But how long does it take for alawsuit to get through the
system?
Several years.
Any state regulation thatinterferes with a motor
carrier's rates routes servicesin this way is preempted by the
Federal Aviation AdministrationAuthorization Act, and that came

(04:43):
from an attorney.
This is unfair to the truckingindustry and the businesses that
rely on us.
It charges us more thanpassenger vehicles and it
charges us every time we go intothe zone and we are
non-discretionary travel, whichmeans we have to go exactly
where the shipper ships theproduct.
We have to make thosedeliveries at the time that our
customers demand it.

(05:05):
Supporters of the New York Citycongestion pricing plan claim
that the trucking industry willbenefit from the plan because
they will be able to do the sametrip in less time, they will be
able to do more trips per shiftand they also will distribute
the cost among their customers.
This is how politicians think.
They think they can dip intoyour pocket and then somehow

(05:25):
you're going to come up with amiraculous way to recoup your
money, and that doesn't alwayswork that way.
Try going to the customer andtell them we're going to have to
charge you $50 extra each timewe go into this zone and see
what they say, and they'll findsomebody else that will absorb
the cost.
There's always somebody that'sgoing to haul that freight
cheaper.
Let me tell you company driversany story I do that you may

(05:48):
think affect the owner-operatoronly or the broker.
You're wrong.
It's going to affect you,because who gets hit the most
with all these extra costs?
The brokers aren't going tolose money.
The companies and the CEOs ofthese companies aren't going to
lose.
The shipping and receivingaren't going to lose money.
They're going to pass it downto the companies, which is going
to be passed down to the driver, which is going to be passed

(06:10):
down to the consumer.
If they let you.
If they don't let you, it stopsat the driver.
You guys are going to have lesspay, and we're already at a
point now where our pay is equalto the 1990s, so you're not
getting paid most of the time.
Good enough, anyway.
Now it says here the MTA saysthe plan is necessary to cut
down on traffic and fundimprovements to mass transit in

(06:33):
the city.
So basically, they want you touse all mass.
Why don't we do that?
Why don't we go to the borderwhere that fee starts?
Just before you get there, pullover, hit the shoulder and dump
all their garbage out on theshoulder, and then you can have
one of them state patrolmen signfor it and then they can call
the people that are responsiblefor that, the people that want

(06:53):
that product to come over andget it with their pickup trucks
or whatever.
However, they want to do it.
Yeah, you drivers need to dosomething about this, and if the
courts don't get involved soonenough to stop this, it's up to
you drivers to stop this.
That's all I got to say aboutthis story, because it's just
another tax on top of a tax ontop of another tax, and,
regardless of whether you'rebeing affected by it or not, you

(07:14):
should be mad about it simplybecause of the fact that we are
always being overtaxed.
Now this next story is going tomelt your heart, because this
story is about the oldest truckdriver, and he is the world's
oldest truck driver, accordingto the Guinness Book of Records.
Now the world's oldest truckdriver has no plans to retire,

(07:35):
even after celebrating his 90thbirthday.
Has no plans to retire evenafter celebrating his 90th
birthday.
His name is Doyle Archer and hewas officially recognized as
the oldest truck driver at 90years and 55 days old, as
verified on February 2nd.
Now he's been driving trucksfor over 60 years and has
traveled approximately 5.5million miles.

(07:56):
He says I don't plan to retireanytime soon.
As long as my health holds, Iwill keep driving.
I do not have the word retirein my vocabulary.
The last 20 years of Doyle'scareer has been at Coombs
Incorporated and it's inPhillipsburg, kansas, where he
was just named a million-milesafe driver after traveling one

(08:18):
million miles without anaccident.
Now it's clear that whateverDoyle is transporting is in very
safe hands, and that could bejust about anything.
Anything you can haul in atruck.
I've hauled it, he said, and hereally means anything.
He's transported everythingfrom livestock to canned goods
and furniture, petroleum acrossthis country.
It's all about traveling.

(08:39):
That has been the biggest partof the job for Doyle.
He said it has provided theopportunity for me to see many
things that I wouldn't haveotherwise got to see.
I've got to meet a lot ofpeople from many different parts
of the world.
Doyle has driven across 48 USstates and through all five
provinces of Canada.
He's driven the famous Route 66all the way from Chicago to Los

(09:02):
Angeles around 2,000 miles andhas seen history along the way,
including driving on the firsteight-mile section of the
Eisenhower Interstate System inKansas shortly after it was
built.
How amazing is that?
Doyle said my favorite views.
I've always been able towitness the mountain views,
scenic prairies and the timberedforest of this great country.

(09:24):
I've been given the opportunityto see the Kennedy Space Center
and Johnson Space Center ofHouston, texas, many decks and
harbors of ports in many statesdealing with international
shipping.
I've witnessed many sunrisesand sunsets from behind the
windshield deserts in thesouthwest historic settlements,
the bright lights of Las Vegasand the western lifestyle of the

(09:46):
Cheyenne Rodeo, the music ofNashville, tennessee, and the
great still mills of Chicago,but my favorite will always be
the wheat fields of the highplains in June and July.
He grew up on his family farm inKansas and went on to earn a
degree in agriculture.
Doyle became a partner in alumber and grain company before
getting into the truckingindustry in 1961.

(10:08):
Asthma forced him to leave thefarm and grain trucking business
behind, but he stuck withhauling.
Doyle's life on the road hascome with challenges, from
severe weather to heavy traffic,rising fuel prices, but plenty
of fun moments too.
Looking back, he told us thereonce was two men at a place I
was waiting to unload that werewalking down beside park trucks

(10:29):
looking for one that wasunlocked.
They found one and opened thedoor and proceeded to make entry
.
When they climbed up in there,much to their surprise, were two
Dobermans to greet them.
I love that.
That was enough to scare one ofthem and he fell off the truck
and landed on his back in thestreet.
They were in a real hurry torun away.
I imagine they thought twiceabout doing that again.

(10:51):
I still chuckle from time totime when I see another driver
with a dog thinking of thatstory and although he admits it
never crossed his mind that he'dstill be doing this job at 90
years old.
He says he's honored and proudto be recognized as the world's
oldest truck driver.
As much as he loves his life onthe road, doyle has plenty to
go home for.
He's been married to his highschool sweetheart, lois, for 70

(11:13):
years and together they havenine children, 25 grandchildren
and 26 great-grandchildren.
In his spare time Doyle takes abig interest in antique cars
and he loves watching John Waynemovies.
If he ever does retire, itsounds like he'll have plenty to
keep him busy.
So this is the story that warmsmy heart and we appreciate you,

(11:34):
doyle, and we appreciateeverything you've done through
all of those years of trucking.
You are an inspiration to allof us.
God bless you and your wife andall of your children,
grandchildren andgreat-grandchildren.
Now today's song that I want torecommend for you guys to buy
and download is Six Days on theRoad by Dave Dudley.
It is a beautiful song.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
It is a beautiful song.
I got my diesel wound up andshe's a-running like a never
before.
There's a speed zone ahead withall right.
I don't see a cop in sight.
Six days on the road and I'ma-gonna make it home tonight.
I got me ten forward gears anda George Overdrive.

(12:26):
I'm taking little white pillsand my eyes are open wide.
I just passed a Jimmy and awife.
I've been a-passing everythingin sight.
Six days on the road and I'ma-gonna make it home tonight,
but it seems like a month sinceI kissed my baby goodbye.

(12:47):
I could have a lot of women,but I'm not a like a son of a
guy.
I could find one to hold metight, but I could never make
believe it's all right.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Six days on the road and I'm gonna make it home
tonight dave dudley was a greatsinger and he put out a lot of
great hits and if you guys get achance, look him up on youtube.
Look up dave dudley.
There's always somebody thatputs all of his great hits on
there.
Check it out.
He's a.
He was a great singer.
He was a great man.
If you go to wikipedia and readthe story about him, you'll

(13:22):
learn a lot, because, as roughand tough as men were back then,
we all have our flaws, eventoday.
There's certain things thatcertain men do at times that
really make them stand out, andI believe Dave Dudley is one of
those guys.
I appreciate you folks listeningto my podcast.
It's been a blessing.
I don't know if you checked outmy Twitter page.

(13:44):
I did post pictures that I putmy new logo on top of my Jeep.
Check it out at Roland18podcaston X.
I guess they call it nowinstead of Twitter, but I still
call it Twitter and X Formallyknown as Twitter, just like the
star prince, right.
Anyway, you guys, have a greatday and always be safe out there
.
Always keep an eye on yourmirrors, always keep an eye on

(14:06):
each other.
We are the largest industry inthe world.
Let's try to remember that Godbless, be safe and, as always,
drivers keep it in the world.
Let's try to remember that Godbless, be safe and, as always,
drivers keep it between thelines.

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