August 22, 2025 • 44 mins
In this episode of the Creative Sisterhood Podcast, hosts Jovanna Burke and Chelsea Hobbs welcome Rebecca Gibson, a multifaceted creative force in the film industry. They discuss Rebecca's journey into storytelling, the importance of mentorship, and the challenges faced by women in film. The conversation emphasizes the significance of community, self-awareness, and the need to protect one's creative work. Rebecca shares her insights on overcoming obstacles, finding purpose, and the meaning of sisterhood in the creative world.
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Hey, hello, hello everybody, andwelcome to the Creative
Sisterhood podcast, the podcast where we empower women to take
control of their creative careers, break industry norms,
and embrace their full potentialat any stage.
Of life. OK, so today's guest is
basically a creative Swiss army knife.
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She writes, she directs, she produces acts, solves world
problems, and somehow still finds time to mentor a dozen
emerging film makers before you've probably had your morning
coffee. And she's not just checking
boxes, she's also racking up awards while doing it.
Her work spends drama, comedy, documentary, and it's been seen
in theaters, on TV, at festivalsand probably on a screen at your
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house right now without even realizing.
Yeah, she doesn't stop there though.
She Co founded a woman LED production company including a
documentary honoring her first mentor.
So I think that mentorship sounds like it's kind of a big
deal to her. Which brings us to now, where
she is a partner at Eagle and she's absolutely killing it.
She even created a hit mental health campaign for teen girls
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she mentors through a million organizations across Canada.
And if that wasn't enough, she got inducted into the Order of
Manitoba. Like what, Rebecca?
I mean, honestly, if you're a creative person in Canada and
you haven't been inspired or impacted by Rebecca yet, you
probably just haven't met her. So buckle up.
We're beyond thrilled to welcomethe wildly talented, endlessly
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generous, and kind of unstoppable Rebecca Gibson to
the creative sister head thank. You so much all.
Right, all right. Animals right now, both of my
girls getting kittens too. So why don't we start at the
beginning? Can you tell us what drew you to
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storytelling and the world of film and TV?
Yes, my dad was reflecting this back to me when, you know, I did
receive the Order of Manitoba the other night.
And my parents came to the the dinner they had for us afterward
and my daughter was there too. And my dad, who was very nervous
for me to pursue this career because of course there was no
point of reference, but he was proudly sharing about how he
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used to take me to the movie andwatched TV with me and my mom
did also. My dad was a big storyteller.
He's making up stories for us. He'd make little booklets
because he traveled on the road a lot and he couldn't be with us
as much as he wanted to be. And so he would write little
books for us. And it was very sweet.
And, you know, I remember as a little tiny kid, one of the
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things my dad did for me when I was about two is he started to
teach me how to read. So I could read very young.
I could see the credits of the movies and the TV shows that I
loved so much. And I could see writer,
director, producer starring. And I was like, me, me, me.
I wanted to do all those things.And of course, like, I was so
small and I would organize little events in my
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neighborhood. And, you know, we're doing Star
Wars. I didn't know you needed a
camera to make a movie. So, you know, I had everybody
cast and all the moms were making sandwiches and, you know,
I just always knew I wanted to do all of these things.
And the spark was like, it was very early and it was certain
from the time I was very small. Wow.
And look at you. You're still doing all those
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things. That's so incredible.
But I will say everybody was like you're nuts, which I am
nuts, by the way. We all have to be a little bit
nuts to be in this industry. I mean, that's the reality of
it, right? It is the reality.
And of course, there was no point of reference for me
growing up. I was born in Saskatoon and then
I spend a little bit of time living in a small town outside
of Edmonton and then lived in Winnipeg.
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There was no point of reference for people working in film or,
you know, there being women in film or any of that kind of
thing. So it was, it was very much the
point of terror for my family. They were like, no, no, no, be a
lawyer. You love justice, you're a
loudmouth. Be a lawyer.
This isn't a thing that you can pursue.
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I feel. Like that's like such a big part
of being a creative person, right?
It's it's a scary thing for parents, especially for women,
and especially for somebody in asmall town that doesn't have,
you know, a big city, Hollywood or Toronto or Vancouver nearby.
So it's really cool to see how you've trail blazed that for
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women. Well, especially like now it's
like, you know, in social media,I feel like it's become, which
is great. It's become so much more
attainable and people see other people taking risks and doing
it. But we really came from, I'm
aging myself and we really came from the time where, like, you
know, if you did something like that, you weren't, you were
definitely off the beaten path. So that's really cool.
Yeah, really, really cool. And now what are you finding is
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like the biggest obstacle that you feel like you've come
against or back then coming intoall of this?
OK, let me share a couple cominginto this.
I didn't have anybody who I could turn to to give me a
pathway. And so I really did have to find
that myself. And I did that aggressively.
I went to the library a lot and read every I could read.
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I would highly recommend that. I mean, I know we have it all on
our computers and our phones, but going to the library and
reading plays and reading books about filmmaking and having that
physical copy from years and years and years ago to see our
history, that was something thatwas very important to me in my
journey. Like reading books about how to
be an actor in New York and how to do a resume.
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Like I learned all that on my own.
And then I did get an education at the University of Winnipeg
with a focus on theater and English.
And I tried to reach out to anybody I could think of who was
doing anything related to moviesto ask how I could be a part of
it. So I reached a dead end there
and realized that I had to leaveto go to school.
And then I went to school in NewYork.
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It was an amazing experience. I lived in Vancouver, Toronto, I
did an internship in Los Angeles.
And so that was tricky to try toblaze that trail and honestly to
continue to do it every single day.
That's the thing that's hard is because the industry changes
every minute, which we all know this, yeah.
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And that's the second hardest thing is to to keep up with
everything, to love it. That's amazing.
I know. I can't believe you've done
that. I mean, you really have created
a path for so many people and you're continuing to do that.
And we are so grateful that you're here.
And we, as you know, creatives too, have a really hard time
balancing everything that we're trying to do in the same way
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that, you know, like we look up to people like you who have done
it and are successful at it. And we're like trying to blaze
our own path too. And we honestly have a really
hard time balancing everything that we're doing.
So how? How do you make it happen
without feeling like you're losing your mind?
Yeah, please tell us. We must know.
So right before I came, right now I'm at home, I was at the
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office. And the last thing I did before
I left the office today, as I went into my business partner's
office, he's also my husband. And I said, I don't think I can
do this business anymore. I don't think it works anymore.
And he said, I think you're exhausted.
Yeah, I think I might be exhausted, but it is so hard to
balance. And my children are now grown,
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just left for film school in April.
And I was like, hey, now I have all this freedom to, you know,
do whatever I want. And then I remembered I have
dogs. And so cool.
There's that. And there is this balance of
freedom creatively and the accountability that you have to
your own health, which I think is really important that we
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don't talk enough about in our industry.
Absolutely. And then there's life and life
often involves loving and serving other people and that
balance. I just want to say to anybody
listening, it is hard. You are not alone.
So many of us who are juggling we, we have to figured that out.
And the way that I have had beenable to navigate it in the last
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few years especially is with just finding a great group of
people who share my values and that's and they share like work
ethic and passion and. I think that's so important.
It's huge. And that's what we're trying to
do. Like, yeah, we're trying to
create that, you know, just in having these conversations, I
mean, you, you can feel so isolated and alone.
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And we're trying to be like, hey, we're all out here doing
the same thing, feeling the samething, struggling, feeling like
there's days where we're like, Ican't do it anymore or you're
hitting a wall, you know? And I think that, yeah, that's,
you're so on to something there because it's really important to
find that community. Yeah.
I love what you're doing here because it is so true.
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You know, no matter where you are, like no matter what you're
doing, unless you're on set, what you're doing is probably
pretty isolating. And then when you're on set,
your department is a little bit isolating and you're trying to
collaborate and commingle and bring out the best in each
other. And still, it's like, it's a
pretty lonely business. It really is, Yeah.
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And, and that's why we just thrive so much.
And like, we, you know, when we're on set, it makes it all
worth it. But like, how can we create that
family feeling not on set, right.
Because we all leave a show likewe felt like we were family.
Yeah. And then you're you're like
sucked dry after because you're like, so alone all the sudden.
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And it's no other. There's not a lot of other jobs
that are like that. Yeah.
Yeah. So true.
I was thinking about like, just today I was thinking about this
actor who I worked with and she is wonderful.
And this is a couple of years ago.
And I was like, OK, well I'll see you.
And she's like, probably not. And I was like, and she was
right. Yeah, yeah.
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Won't see her, you know. Yeah, it's real.
Opportunity for that or shows that you think this show is
going to be Heartland or MurdochMysteries and run forever and
then you get maybe Four Seasons and you're very lucky to get
Four Seasons, yeah. Yeah, it's funny, my Facebook
page here, I'm really dating myself, but I have Facebook, it
doesn't have many friends on it.And I was looking through it the
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other day and I realized that most of my Facebook friends are
people that I have met in the industry over the last, like,
however many years. Facebook's been around 4:20 or
whatever years. And it's kind of cool because
it's like this community of people that I never would have,
like you said, worked across theworld, never would have seen
them again. And we do still have ways of
connecting with each other. Yeah.
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Hopefully, I don't know, hopefully through what this is
doing in these conversations, wecan find a way of doing that
outside of that, you know, in a more purposeful way.
Yeah. Yes.
Because it is a choice it. Is, and I think you're doing
that a lot too with how you are like creating your own
community, community of people you mentor and take care of.
You know, I think that's really cool too, Rebecca, because I
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think you've probably got like alittle collective of artists
that you have like brought up over time.
And I don't know if you've ever had them all together, but that
would be really cool. Yeah.
That would be so great. I actually tried to do something
along those lines a couple yearsago.
I was like, OK, it's January andI always pick a theme for my
year. And I was like, it's Sparkle
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2020, whatever it was. And I was like Sparkle.
And because there were so many women that I had met from all
over the country, all over the world, and I was like, why don't
we get together? Like I've actually I bought
food. I love this.
Zoom people in and then one by one people started cancelling.
They can actually be emotional thinking about this.
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They weren't canceling to be flaky, but every one of these
women were busy and if here I amgetting really emotional about
this. But if there was one thing they
were going to sacrifice, it was community and it was something
for themselves and. Gosh.
Oh yeah. So I ended up eating a lot of
vegan cheese, a lot of crackers.Wow, that is so real.
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Again and again with organizations I've been a part
of where you know it's very difficult to choose community.
Yeah, Yeah, it is. And you feel vulnerable too, and
putting yourself out there sometimes, so it's another
thing, right? So like, did you feel when you
were starting out like you had community?
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Like, did you feel like you had what the mentorship that you're
giving to people? Like, did you find that
anywhere? Yes.
I will never have a conversationwhere I don't talk about Leslie
Oswald. Leslie Oswald is not the mentor
I made the documentary about. That was Mrs. Daphne Coral, and
that was essential. In fact, I'll just say a quick
story about Mrs. Daphne Coral. When I was a teenager desperate
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to get into this business, somehow, Missus Daphne Quarrel
was the artistic director of Shakespeare in the Park.
And now we don't even have that anymore.
We have Shakespeare in the Ruins, which is an incredible
organization, but back then it was Shakespeare in the Park.
And so they had open auditions and I auditioned and I got a
phone call at my high school. It's actually I got called to
the office and they said you have to call your mom right
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away. So I called my mom and she said
this lady is calling. She needs you to call her right
away. Her name is Missus Daphne
Quarrel. So I used the pay phone at our
school because that was way before cell phones.
And I called her and Misses Carlsaid you have a terrible voice,
but you're hired. I love it.
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I was a dancer and I was, I was trying to be an actor and, and
so she trained me in my voice and not to sing, but to to act
because, you know, we were outside, there were planes, you
had to be heard. And so she and she was, so she
would just throw me into things all the time.
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And so I learned so much There awhole bunch of other women,
particularly Robin Dow, who was my tap teacher, who threw me
into a fashion show at the Bay where we were just seen from the
knees down. It was just a shoe show.
Cool, so. I had that experience and then
Leslie Oswald when I came back from film school.
Actually, I had lived in Torontofor a while.
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I was deeply homesick, but I sawthat they were doing 1 show in
Winnipeg. They used to have paper copies
of Playback magazine and I used to go to the theater bookstore
and just read the Backpage to see what was filming and I saw
something in Winnipeg. So I came home.
She hired me that day. She.
Threw me into the hardest job you can imagine.
I had to find 500 volunteer extras for Winnipeg's first big
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movie of the week. And they all had to be wearing
tuxedos or black or white gowns because it was like the scene
was that like Jane Seymour was coming out in a red gown.
So they needed everybody else tohave this black tie kind of
thing. So I succeeded at that.
And then Leslie said, come for abeer.
And I was like, Oh my gosh, I'm going to get fired.
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And so she was like, what do youwant to do?
What do you want to do with yourcareer?
And I said, I want to be a writer, director, producer and
actor. And she was like, help me out.
What do you really want to do? Like, what specifically do you
want to do? Because I want to help you.
So you have to tell me what you want to do.
And I'm telling you, to this day, Leslie and I work together.
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We haven't always worked together, but a lot of the great
opportunities that I've had, it's because Leslie's gone.
Rebecca Gibson can do anything. As a matter of fact, we were
just in a meeting about this feature film that we're doing
that I'm an executive producer on and there was a moment
talking about we need a puppeteer for a scene.
And she's like, Rebecca Gibson is one of the best puppeteers in
Canada. She can do this like I'm the
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executive producer in the movie,but kind of advocacy and
mentorship that she taught me a couple of things.
One, she taught me about really clearly articulating even to the
universe and to myself exactly what I want to do.
And also just asking other people, what do you want to do?
How can I support that? And that's been everything.
And so many other women. That's how I think community
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gets built. It's like, how can I help you?
How can you help me? And having something of value to
share is, I think, a real good way to hook each other in. 100%,
that's really cool. That's really cool.
So that kind of takes me into the next question, like as a
female in the industry, what do you think has been your biggest
roadblock? Like you had the help, you had
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the community that you were building, the support.
Where did you find the roadblockreally was for you?
Well, it would be easy to say men isn't true, but you know, if
you asked me that 15 years ago, I would have probably answered
that way because I found my The biggest roadblock is me.
That's what I'm going to say. Me myself.
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I chose to concentrate on the vision of dudes who I thought.
I don't know why I thought this,but deep down inside I think I
thought that their work had morevalue than mine.
And I was. It was easier for me to put my
focus on other people's work creatively than my own.
And to this day, we just launched a new content company
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called Live from Winnipeg so that my work can have its day.
We have a great team it can have, but I keep diverting my
energy to other things. And.
It's, it's so much less comfortable than it used to be
to do that. And I think that's a good thing.
I think that one of these days I'm going to go, what are you
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doing here? I think that maybe you need to
remove that roadblock and I'm still dealing with it.
Yeah, I mean, I think we all do,right?
Like it's like that imposter syndrome that we feel inside
that deep down, you know, feeling that we're not good
enough or something like that. And so it's nice to know that
it's starting to go away for youbecause you've done so many
incredible things over time that, you know, if anybody
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doesn't have imposter syndrome, it should be you.
But that you're a human being and we all feel that way, you
know? And that's, it's kind of
comforting to hear that from you, to be honest, because I
know Chelsea and I often are like, Oh my gosh, what are we
doing? Can we do and?
Don't you feel like like if likeI feel like you can evolve and
you can be successful. But in a way, us being our own
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roadblock is not always a bad thing because we always have to
be challenging ourselves and pushing, pushing ourselves
forward. And I feel like if we got to the
place where we didn't feel like we were kind of having a hard
time with that or coming up against that, then maybe we
would be plateauing or like not challenging ourselves, right.
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So, yeah, there you go. Maybe that's a good thing.
Like maybe that just means that you're constantly wanting to
create and do more and be your best and, and push the envelope
out. Yeah, exactly.
And that's why you do what you do, right?
Yes. I don't know the.
Other thing in this business is we as artists in this medium of
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film and television, we have to convince other people that our
vision has value. And sometimes that can be a
roadblock too. Because if you're a painter, I
mean, of course there are thingsyou have to do where it's like
you have to convince somebody toshow your work and you have to
convince somebody to buy your work.
And but we have to convince like100 people that of the 17,000
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projects that are submitted, ours is the one that to get the
funding, ours is the one that you should come and be part of
our crew. Ours is the one that you should
come be the star of. And it's like, it's a lot of
self-confidence in the vision. Totally.
That's like. It's like telling them about the
painting without the painting being there and you're like, I
promise the painting is going tobe so good.
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Just trust me. Please trust me.
We are the best people. You know, this is reminding me
of another roadblock that I haveseen, which is I try really hard
to lead away from this, but it'sa scarcity mentality in our
business, which I feel like theyreally try to pit US against
each other as artists. And by they, that's not even a
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person. It's not even like a group.
It's just like the there's something that's identically
where it's like, Oh well, only 12 films can get telephone
funding or you know, there's only people will say there's
only two channels in Canada and I'm like, that's not even true.
No, but they try to make us feellike, you know, we're competing
against each other. But.
Whenever I've been living my best creative life, I've never
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felt that sense. I've always felt like there's
space for all of us to tell our stories and we can see it like
what you're doing right now and all the, you know, online
content like TikTok, for instance.
There's millions of people who have niche preferences for what
they want to watch, and then monetizing it is another thing.
But sure, they creatively and storytelling wise, lots of
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people want to hear a diversity of stories.
Yes, absolutely. Yeah, no, absolutely.
I feel like we feel like that too, even as actors, right.
You know, we all have our own stories to tell.
We have our own, like, I can't tell my story the way you tell
your story. And that's the same goes in
film. That same goes in as a painter,
you know, in any, in any art form really.
We all have our own unique voices and there's room for
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everybody at the table. I believe that.
I really, really believe. Yeah, me too.
Me too. So you want to like make
everybody feel that way too. So.
Yeah, yeah, of course. Right.
Remember that. You are unique.
You have your own voice. Yeah.
And that that does bring me to the next question, which is
like, so you've seen obviously probably a lot change for women
over the last, I mean couple decades, maybe even more so in
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the last 10 years. Yeah, But yeah.
And so you've seen like, you know, major change so much.
What do you think still needs tochange?
Like what would you say you're you're proud of that?
Has it's changed? And then what?
Like really needs to change if you were to pinpoint it.
I love what's changed is it's not cool or comfortable for
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people to harass other people, and it's not cool or comfortable
for people to assume authority over women.
There's a greater sense of womenhaving a voice.
I remember doing the casting fora film like 25 years ago and the
producer, he was from away and Iwas about to have a a pitch
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meeting with the director who was also from away.
And this meeting was for me to to pitch who I thought should
play the roles in the film. So I was a casting director who
was very successful. I didn't do it for a long time
because I kept on being the reader and everybody wanted to
cast me in the movies. And I was like, wow, I'm a
single mom, I have a baby. I can make a lot more money
acting, you know, which is what I had done prior to that, But
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but I was very good at it, dare I say.
And this guy was like and when this director comes in, you
know, look at you holding your coffee cup like, you know, oh,
small, like you have to talk to him.
Like, listen, buddy, this is cast him like this man was
telling me how to speak and and I was like, I hate it.
It's actually one of the momentswhere I was like, I'm not doing
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this job anymore. Like I can't put up with this
kind of nonsense. And I don't think that you would
get away with it as much. Like I just had a very
challenging work conversation today with the men and with me
was a young colleague who absolutely in my mind is equal
to everybody in that call. Also in her mind, which is to
her credit because she's very young and really claims her
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space. I love it.
I was, I think that's one of thereasons I was feeling a little
drained today is because I had to be very strong in that call
to make sure that there were certain that our bottom line was
clear that we would not accept certain things.
And at the end of the day, everything is probably going to
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work out just great. But oof, I don't see myself
having been able to do that 35 years ago.
Or you. Know like finding your voice,
finding your voice and being competent and yeah, your power.
I love that. And also knowing that they
couldn't get away with dismissing me because of the way
that things have changed, that'shuge.
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But what still does need to change, I think is it would be
really nice not to feel like it's always a fight.
Like I honestly feel a lot of the time like if I'm advocating
for a point of view, which I have a very strong track record
for success and I have a very strong track record for problem
solving. If something is, you know,
somebody has an idea. I'm, I'm like the actualizer.
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I can make stuff happen. And if broadcaster notes are
received and they're like, what do we do?
I know how to fix things, but I wish it wasn't a fight every
single time to convince people that I know what I'm talking
about and I see it with women. Also.
It's like. It's huge, yeah.
And also other traditionally marginalized people, like some
people have invisible disabilities.
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And for them to be able to communicate their point of view
without it taking a complete toll on their spirit, It's like,
can we just not have to fight sohard all the time?
And could we just listen more empathetically?
Like eventually we're, maybe it takes a little more time, but
eventually we're going to get toa solution that feels good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, that's real.
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I mean, we feel that all the time.
Like, you know, we're still, we're still paving our way on
our end and, and we're both, youknow, we've had great careers as
actors and are still having to prove ourselves as producers and
creators. And I mean, I'll speak for both
of us when I say like, you know,in our meetings, like there's a
lot of positivity and receptiveness, but we still feel
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like we have to do that too. And yeah, I look forward to not
having to maybe one day. Yeah.
But I think it's always going tobe, I mean, I do wonder, you
know, like I wonder if if men dofeel that as well to a certain
extent, or if it really truly isbecause of our sex.
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I feel like what I have observedis that certain men have this
seemingly unshakable confidence that's allowed them to be very
successful. Yeah.
And even there's vulnerability within them.
And I see a lot of the time if men are more empathetically,
we're all artists and a lot of us come to the table with, you
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know, whole lot going on inside ourselves, whether that be like
physical or mental or intellectual.
Like there we have all kinds of different stuff going on.
And sometimes I think it I've seen it take a toll on men too.
I think it's just it's a patriarchal system.
It's, it's a, and it's a capitalist system.
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Absolutely. How do we dismantle that?
That is a whole other podcast, ladies and gentlemen.
We don't have enough time for that.
Or how do we participate in systems that already exist in a
way that leaves more space to breathe and everything's not
just so rushed all the time. And so, you know, desperate to
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stay alive. Really like the, you know, with
all the changes going on, you, Isee this all the time, people
getting laid off or, you know, their position is terminated,
they're fired or whatever because things are contracting,
contracting. And then because I've been
around a while, it's like, it's like an accordion.
It's like, as people try to figure out what the next thing
is. And really the focus should be
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in our storytelling because of the medium we've chosen
audience, like, how do we connect?
How do we, you know, like reach people?
That's what we're trying to do. So have you felt that there's
been a pivotal moment where you know that you're doing exactly
what you should be doing and you're able to do that And yeah,
do tell. About, I'm going to say about 15
ish years ago, I was separated from my husband and I was
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raising my two kids on my own and I had like my parents were
very supportive, but I really had to scrap and scrape to, you
know, provide for those kids andsome people that I had worked
with before, three women, one ofwhom was a friend, two were
colleagues. They invited me to come to a
meeting at one of their homes. And of course, like my instinct
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is always like I'm in trouble. And so I went there and, and
they said we should start a company together.
And, and you know, the position was we'd worked together before
in different capacities. And each of us, whatever we said
we were going to do, we always saw through.
So we thought that there could be alignment for us all to work
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together. So this was in May of that year,
I can't remember what year it was.
And then by August of that year,we were in principal photography
on a feature film with a budget of $5000.
Wow. Date.
It's my favorite experience and I Co wrote the script.
The $5000 was a short film grantthat my one of my business
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partners had earned. And of course I was so nervous.
I was like Oh no, like we can't make a feature out of a short
film grant. They'll be matched like
whatever. Yeah, they'll be happy.
It turned out that they were happy.
We wrote the very short script into a feature length film and
we all did all the jobs. We brought in a few team members
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who we said we're keeping a spreadsheet.
If this movie makes any money, everybody gets a percentage.
It was very much about equality.Like there was nobody got more
money. It was like everybody got the
same. And we finished the film and
like, I just remember being on set going, this feels exactly
like what I always wanted to do.That's amazing.
My daughters, one of them was one of the leads in the movie.
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She played the little boy because we couldn't find a
little boy. She's like oh anyways.
It's like Peter Pan. They used to do that with Peter
Pan. Wow.
And then my eldest daughter, whowas 12 at the time, she did the
production design with me. We did all the food props, I did
all the catering and craft services.
And she was in the movie too. So it was just like the three of
us with these business partners and with a few other team
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members and. Everybody was.
Like there for the passion and we got to go to cool places and
the movie turned out and when wepremiered at VIF, the whole
crew, like even background performers, everybody travelled
out and at the Q&A when they called everybody, I feel like
I'm going to say 30 people who came to the front to answer
questions. And I just felt like this is
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that that's. Winning.
Yeah, yeah. That's what it's about.
The film was like, they lecture about it at Cambridge, like it
was like it was an impactful film for the story, not just
that we made it for $5000. So I felt like, yeah, I I'm just
always chasing the high of doingsomething that that that's that
collaborative and creative and small and beautiful and I just,
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I loved it. Yeah, wow, that's really cool.
That's such a beautiful place tofeel like your whole and to
build from and always try to find again, you know, like that
feeling and how what's it called?
Like organic. It was probably, you know.
That's what it was. We were accountable to no one
other than all the people who agreed to be a part of what we
were doing. And it was funny.
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Like we would have a sound person who'd be like, I can do
three days, OK, great. Somebody else can do three days.
Like it was just like organic the word.
Meanwhile, I was also juggling. At that time, I was acting and
writing on a series. I got the lead in that and we
were like in prep for that. And then I was doing another
movie that I was a date player on.
And so it was like juggling all those things.
Like there were times when I didn't sleep.
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We're going to set with the flu one day, but I think it was food
poisoning from the food I cookedbefore experienced it was I
didn't soak the chili beans. Everything was vegan.
I didn't soak the chili beans long enough.
So I'm like on set, doing like my scenes and then going off to
be like, you know. No, that's the worst.
Classic. Favorite.
It was my favorite. Wow.
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My gosh. So awesome.
So wow. I don't even know where to go
from there, but that was a good story.
Where do you go from? I guess I would ask, OK, so
because you've done things so organically, because you've
created such a cool beginning tothis amazing career that you've
kind of built off of that, let'ssay.
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Knowing all those things, what would you refuse to gatekeep to
somebody who's new in the industry?
Is there something that you would, you know, like one thing
that you would or a couple things that you would refuse to
not share with these young folks?
Yeah, I am very much a blurter. I will share anything with
anybody. But there's one thing that I
won't share and I think it's important for people to know is
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that anything related to business affairs that's been
given to me, I won't share that because that's something that
somebody else's creative work, even if it's a legal document or
like people ask me all the time,can I please just get a location
agreement? Or can I just like, if you want
to see if somebody's like, can you show me a budget?
I'll say yes, here's the telephone naked.
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You fill it in. Maybe you're not using every
line, but here's this. But I'm not going to tell you
how much it's going to cost for your gaffer because I don't know
how much it's going to cast or cost.
So and like pitch decks, that's something that I won't share my
pitch decks unless I'm like, OK,I'm going to show this with you.
I'm going to show this to you. But I'm not going to send it to
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you, you know, because this is something that I've built.
That's my creative property. And I can honestly just imagine
somebody taking that and then using it against me by saying
Rebecca Gibson put this documentout into the universe And then,
you know, I took this advice andmy show didn't get ordered.
So that's the kind of thing where I'll share with you the
kind of things that go into a pitch deck and very happily
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like, but I can't share the the work that's that's not mine to
share or that is maybe going to put you on a wrong trail like
some things you have to figure out yourself.
Yeah, I think there is somethingabout protecting ourselves as
well, right. And not being bullied into, I
don't know, submission. I I don't, I don't want to say
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submission, but like, you know, it's like we can sometimes feel
it is, it is essentially becausesometimes we do feel that
pressure. And so it's like we want to
support each other. Like you said.
I really liked what you said, how you said I'll teach you how
to make a pitch deck or I'll, I'll share with you and guide
you in that. But then you still have the
respect for yourself and what you're creating to protect
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yourself as well. And I think that that's really
important. Yeah.
I've definitely had younger, more emerging talent ask me for
stuff like that in the past and it's been the same kind of
thing. Just point them in the right
direction of what to do. And I'm like, you know, you can
be more than happy to help shapewhatever they're doing if they
need like advice, always going to be there.
But I'm definitely not just going to give you a budget, you
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know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's one thing for me when people ask me to do a
mentorship, you know, my time isreally precious and that's
something that I think that sometimes people don't
understand. But also I have like clinical
mental health stuff that makes my career harder, but it also is
a tremendous gift because of whoI am.
I'm able to do the work that I do and do it meticulously.
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And, you know, I can see big pictures and like, there's all
kinds of benefits to my superpower of my my.
Gosh, absolutely. They're all superpowers.
Yeah, but people don't realize sometimes if I can't get back to
them, it's not because I don't want to.
And I have to do a mentorship ina structured way.
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I have to know, OK, at 3:00 on Saturday, I'm talking with so
and so in Toronto. And you know they're going to be
prepared because I've given themthis material and we're going to
have a very efficient 2 hour session.
And I'm doing it through Women in Film and Television, Toronto
Bone or I'm doing a producer thing through Gems Vancouver and
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it's going to be for a six monthperiod and then I'm done that
because otherwise I couldn't keep it straight.
And that's something else that Ido gatekeep is if I give
somebody some tasks or I ask them to do something like make a
make an appointment and if they don't do certain things, I'm not
going to bug them about it, right?
But anything? With their mother.
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Yes, some people call me Mother and I don't mind.
So. What advice would you give to a
young female or a non binary person just starting out that
wants to make me difficult work and have a sustainable career in
film? Find your people.
Find your people. Find your people.
Yes, love. That another thing, and like
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that is the most important and equally the most important is
figure out what being seen meansto you, because some people have
success before they're ready to be perceived by the world, and
that can be terrifying. And also maybe being seen to
you, you're going to think aboutthat question and you're going
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to go, oof, actually, what does that mean to me?
And why do I want to tell my stories and why do I want to be
a part of telling other people'sstories?
Like, what is what is it that gets me going about that and how
comfortable I am with that? Because these days now you're
not just like you have value as an artist.
Like maybe you can write a greatscript, but unless you're
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willing to be seen and, you know, have articles written
about you and pictures taken of you, you have less value.
So your value is in like what you are doing right now.
That's bringing value to your work in all kinds of fields,
like as producers, as actors, everything you're doing.
Because yeah, you're, you're willing to be seen.
And you know why you want to be seen?
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Well, and that's also us just owning our power, right?
Like not feeling like we don't deserve to be proud of what
we're creating and what we're doing and and having ourselves
out there. That's right.
And also it's about knowing yourself really, really well and
not being afraid of, you know, maybe making a mistake or, or
being at being a little bit different.
Like that's OK and that's totally normal.
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But it's just really knowing yourself and being open to
sharing your story, your own story, not just the stories
you're telling. Amen, OH.
My gosh, yes. Love it.
What do you wish that you could have told your younger self?
Rebecca? If you could go back and tell
her something really valuable, Iwould say.
You are going to have the life that you always wanted.
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So enjoy it. Enjoy every second, even the
hard stuff, because what you believe is going to happen is
going to happen. And that's what I would want to
know because I wouldn't change anything.
Yeah. You know, everything that I have
the privilege to wake up every day and get to do is because of
everything that led up to it. And a lot of the times I'm like,
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oh, well, this is it, you know, like this is the last show we're
going to get to do or, you know,there's those moments.
And yeah, you mentioned making amistake.
Like, yes, we're going to make mistakes.
Like I make mistakes all the time.
And I would, I would remind myself that my, my tendency
toward accountability is going to be the most important gift
that I give myself. Accountability.
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I love it. Helped me all through.
Yes, that's huge. Because only you can do that for
yourself. Just like you said with your
mentors, you're not going to check in on them with your
mentees. You know, once you give them a
list of things to do, it's up tothem to do it.
Yes. Right.
Yeah. So OK, just to wow a couple.
Of last questions. What keeps you going?
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Like what keeps you inspired these days and grounded?
When the industry gets really tough, like today for example,
when you had to have a tough conversation, what what keeps
you inspired? This is something.
And grounded. My team is the best and the last
six months of our, no, I'm goingto say the last year of our time
together, we just finished a very hard show.
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Well, we're delivering a very hard show that like the subject
matter is very real and very hard and it's very dear to us
and it's very important to us. And as we worked on that show, a
lot of us found ourselves confronted with some personal
stuff because working on that kind of content can sometimes
bring stuff out in you. And there were clashes that I
hadn't experienced in quite sometime.
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And some people that we worked with didn't continue to work
with us. And some people that we worked
with who we were able to clash with, but figure it out
together, like we're galvanized.So that's something that's
really inspiring to me is to know and to really want to work
hard for the team members that Ihave because I'm really in a
position of leadership. And so it's really up to me to
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drive and to keep us going and also to recognize when we're
pushing a little too hard. And so that both it keeps me
inspired and grounded to be withthe folks that I have the
pleasure and privilege of working with because, you know,
I just want to do that forever. That's so amazing.
Really is so amazing. OK.
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Well, we have one more question that's like I think the best
question. These are all such great
questions, OK? Yeah, this is what we really
want to know is what does sisterhood mean to you?
Oh. My gosh, I love this sisterhood
means we're all connected and I feel it so deeply like meeting
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you 2 for instance. It's just instant like you get
it, I get it. We all get it.
We're Nikola Pender who introduced us sister she gets we
are all here together and sisterhood to me, but also is
inclusive of other people who may not be women.
And. And that's a really weird thing,
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but it's, it's like, are you part of this connectivity and
this interconnectivity? Do you want to be then you're a
sister or, you know, even just like thinking about the
interconnectivity of us and the planet as women, you know, I
feel like we really have the power to remind people of our
interconnectivity to all everything, like all living
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things, all rocks. We're all we're all here
together. So sisterhood is like this bond
that we have. And I feel like it's like a
responsibility that we. Have too, absolutely, and I see.
That in you too. Also in your work, like you just
you just know you just do that. Thank you for saying.
That thanks. Yeah, that means that means a
lot. But you're you're hitting it on
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the head. I mean, it's like a support and
a connection. And I love that you said it's
beyond, you know, women specifically because, yeah,
sisterhood is like an all-encompassing feeling and
support system. And I I love that.
I love that you said that because I think that's so
important too. Yes, thank you so much, Rebecca,
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This has been you've we've takenup way too much of your time,
but you're so so, so grateful that you came out we.
Could talk to you. We could all night.
I know. You love it.
Thank you so much, both of you. What a pleasure to.
Visit Yeah, thank you so much. And we can't wait to see like,
what you continue to do. I mean, you're so inspiring to
us and like, we need more women like you.
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So thank you for everything thatyou're you're doing.
It's really cool and really inspiring.
Thank you and I really hope we all get to do something
together. That's the dream, that's.
That's the dream. My dream chamber.
We're going to make that happen at some point in the same time.
Good, good, good. Can you share with our listeners
if anybody wants to follow you on socials or check out
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anything? What would you say would be the
best way to follow you online? I'm terrible at the social
medias. I did it for a little while when
everybody in the industry was like, you have to have social
media. I was like, OK, oh, shy I,
you'll find me there. But if you want to see our
corporate website, whichiseaglevision.ca and
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that's, you know, even if you message info@eaglevision.ca,
your message will get to me. If you want to connect with me,
you are welcome to do that. And then you can see some of the
work we're doing, and we're justgoing to keep going.
We're just gonna keep trying. Amazing.
All right, everyone check it out.
Thank you so much. Thank.
You, Rebecca. Thank you, Rebecca.
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We're just so nice to see you. So nice to see you just so.
Good to see. You enjoy the rest of your
summer. Yeah.
And yeah, we'll talk to you soon.
Bye. OK, bye.
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make our own.
Hey, hello, hello everybody, andwelcome to the Creative
Sisterhood podcast, the podcast where we empower women to take
control of their creative careers, break industry norms,
and embrace their full potentialat any stage.
Of life. OK, so today's guest is
basically a creative Swiss army knife.
(00:20):
She writes, she directs, she produces acts, solves world
problems, and somehow still finds time to mentor a dozen
emerging film makers before you've probably had your morning
coffee. And she's not just checking
boxes, she's also racking up awards while doing it.
Her work spends drama, comedy, documentary, and it's been seen
in theaters, on TV, at festivalsand probably on a screen at your
(00:43):
house right now without even realizing.
Yeah, she doesn't stop there though.
She Co founded a woman LED production company including a
documentary honoring her first mentor.
So I think that mentorship sounds like it's kind of a big
deal to her. Which brings us to now, where
she is a partner at Eagle and she's absolutely killing it.
She even created a hit mental health campaign for teen girls
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she mentors through a million organizations across Canada.
And if that wasn't enough, she got inducted into the Order of
Manitoba. Like what, Rebecca?
I mean, honestly, if you're a creative person in Canada and
you haven't been inspired or impacted by Rebecca yet, you
probably just haven't met her. So buckle up.
We're beyond thrilled to welcomethe wildly talented, endlessly
(01:28):
generous, and kind of unstoppable Rebecca Gibson to
the creative sister head thank. You so much all.
Right, all right. Animals right now, both of my
girls getting kittens too. So why don't we start at the
beginning? Can you tell us what drew you to
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storytelling and the world of film and TV?
Yes, my dad was reflecting this back to me when, you know, I did
receive the Order of Manitoba the other night.
And my parents came to the the dinner they had for us afterward
and my daughter was there too. And my dad, who was very nervous
for me to pursue this career because of course there was no
point of reference, but he was proudly sharing about how he
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used to take me to the movie andwatched TV with me and my mom
did also. My dad was a big storyteller.
He's making up stories for us. He'd make little booklets
because he traveled on the road a lot and he couldn't be with us
as much as he wanted to be. And so he would write little
books for us. And it was very sweet.
And, you know, I remember as a little tiny kid, one of the
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things my dad did for me when I was about two is he started to
teach me how to read. So I could read very young.
I could see the credits of the movies and the TV shows that I
loved so much. And I could see writer,
director, producer starring. And I was like, me, me, me.
I wanted to do all those things.And of course, like, I was so
small and I would organize little events in my
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neighborhood. And, you know, we're doing Star
Wars. I didn't know you needed a
camera to make a movie. So, you know, I had everybody
cast and all the moms were making sandwiches and, you know,
I just always knew I wanted to do all of these things.
And the spark was like, it was very early and it was certain
from the time I was very small. Wow.
And look at you. You're still doing all those
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things. That's so incredible.
But I will say everybody was like you're nuts, which I am
nuts, by the way. We all have to be a little bit
nuts to be in this industry. I mean, that's the reality of
it, right? It is the reality.
And of course, there was no point of reference for me
growing up. I was born in Saskatoon and then
I spend a little bit of time living in a small town outside
of Edmonton and then lived in Winnipeg.
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There was no point of reference for people working in film or,
you know, there being women in film or any of that kind of
thing. So it was, it was very much the
point of terror for my family. They were like, no, no, no, be a
lawyer. You love justice, you're a
loudmouth. Be a lawyer.
This isn't a thing that you can pursue.
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I feel. Like that's like such a big part
of being a creative person, right?
It's it's a scary thing for parents, especially for women,
and especially for somebody in asmall town that doesn't have,
you know, a big city, Hollywood or Toronto or Vancouver nearby.
So it's really cool to see how you've trail blazed that for
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women. Well, especially like now it's
like, you know, in social media,I feel like it's become, which
is great. It's become so much more
attainable and people see other people taking risks and doing
it. But we really came from, I'm
aging myself and we really came from the time where, like, you
know, if you did something like that, you weren't, you were
definitely off the beaten path. So that's really cool.
Yeah, really, really cool. And now what are you finding is
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like the biggest obstacle that you feel like you've come
against or back then coming intoall of this?
OK, let me share a couple cominginto this.
I didn't have anybody who I could turn to to give me a
pathway. And so I really did have to find
that myself. And I did that aggressively.
I went to the library a lot and read every I could read.
(05:03):
I would highly recommend that. I mean, I know we have it all on
our computers and our phones, but going to the library and
reading plays and reading books about filmmaking and having that
physical copy from years and years and years ago to see our
history, that was something thatwas very important to me in my
journey. Like reading books about how to
be an actor in New York and how to do a resume.
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Like I learned all that on my own.
And then I did get an education at the University of Winnipeg
with a focus on theater and English.
And I tried to reach out to anybody I could think of who was
doing anything related to moviesto ask how I could be a part of
it. So I reached a dead end there
and realized that I had to leaveto go to school.
And then I went to school in NewYork.
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It was an amazing experience. I lived in Vancouver, Toronto, I
did an internship in Los Angeles.
And so that was tricky to try toblaze that trail and honestly to
continue to do it every single day.
That's the thing that's hard is because the industry changes
every minute, which we all know this, yeah.
(06:07):
And that's the second hardest thing is to to keep up with
everything, to love it. That's amazing.
I know. I can't believe you've done
that. I mean, you really have created
a path for so many people and you're continuing to do that.
And we are so grateful that you're here.
And we, as you know, creatives too, have a really hard time
balancing everything that we're trying to do in the same way
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that, you know, like we look up to people like you who have done
it and are successful at it. And we're like trying to blaze
our own path too. And we honestly have a really
hard time balancing everything that we're doing.
So how? How do you make it happen
without feeling like you're losing your mind?
Yeah, please tell us. We must know.
So right before I came, right now I'm at home, I was at the
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office. And the last thing I did before
I left the office today, as I went into my business partner's
office, he's also my husband. And I said, I don't think I can
do this business anymore. I don't think it works anymore.
And he said, I think you're exhausted.
Yeah, I think I might be exhausted, but it is so hard to
balance. And my children are now grown,
(07:12):
just left for film school in April.
And I was like, hey, now I have all this freedom to, you know,
do whatever I want. And then I remembered I have
dogs. And so cool.
There's that. And there is this balance of
freedom creatively and the accountability that you have to
your own health, which I think is really important that we
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don't talk enough about in our industry.
Absolutely. And then there's life and life
often involves loving and serving other people and that
balance. I just want to say to anybody
listening, it is hard. You are not alone.
So many of us who are juggling we, we have to figured that out.
And the way that I have had beenable to navigate it in the last
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few years especially is with just finding a great group of
people who share my values and that's and they share like work
ethic and passion and. I think that's so important.
It's huge. And that's what we're trying to
do. Like, yeah, we're trying to
create that, you know, just in having these conversations, I
mean, you, you can feel so isolated and alone.
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And we're trying to be like, hey, we're all out here doing
the same thing, feeling the samething, struggling, feeling like
there's days where we're like, Ican't do it anymore or you're
hitting a wall, you know? And I think that, yeah, that's,
you're so on to something there because it's really important to
find that community. Yeah.
I love what you're doing here because it is so true.
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You know, no matter where you are, like no matter what you're
doing, unless you're on set, what you're doing is probably
pretty isolating. And then when you're on set,
your department is a little bit isolating and you're trying to
collaborate and commingle and bring out the best in each
other. And still, it's like, it's a
pretty lonely business. It really is, Yeah.
(08:58):
And, and that's why we just thrive so much.
And like, we, you know, when we're on set, it makes it all
worth it. But like, how can we create that
family feeling not on set, right.
Because we all leave a show likewe felt like we were family.
Yeah. And then you're you're like
sucked dry after because you're like, so alone all the sudden.
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And it's no other. There's not a lot of other jobs
that are like that. Yeah.
Yeah. So true.
I was thinking about like, just today I was thinking about this
actor who I worked with and she is wonderful.
And this is a couple of years ago.
And I was like, OK, well I'll see you.
And she's like, probably not. And I was like, and she was
right. Yeah, yeah.
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Won't see her, you know. Yeah, it's real.
Opportunity for that or shows that you think this show is
going to be Heartland or MurdochMysteries and run forever and
then you get maybe Four Seasons and you're very lucky to get
Four Seasons, yeah. Yeah, it's funny, my Facebook
page here, I'm really dating myself, but I have Facebook, it
doesn't have many friends on it.And I was looking through it the
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other day and I realized that most of my Facebook friends are
people that I have met in the industry over the last, like,
however many years. Facebook's been around 4:20 or
whatever years. And it's kind of cool because
it's like this community of people that I never would have,
like you said, worked across theworld, never would have seen
them again. And we do still have ways of
connecting with each other. Yeah.
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Hopefully, I don't know, hopefully through what this is
doing in these conversations, wecan find a way of doing that
outside of that, you know, in a more purposeful way.
Yeah. Yes.
Because it is a choice it. Is, and I think you're doing
that a lot too with how you are like creating your own
community, community of people you mentor and take care of.
You know, I think that's really cool too, Rebecca, because I
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think you've probably got like alittle collective of artists
that you have like brought up over time.
And I don't know if you've ever had them all together, but that
would be really cool. Yeah.
That would be so great. I actually tried to do something
along those lines a couple yearsago.
I was like, OK, it's January andI always pick a theme for my
year. And I was like, it's Sparkle
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2020, whatever it was. And I was like Sparkle.
And because there were so many women that I had met from all
over the country, all over the world, and I was like, why don't
we get together? Like I've actually I bought
food. I love this.
Zoom people in and then one by one people started cancelling.
They can actually be emotional thinking about this.
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They weren't canceling to be flaky, but every one of these
women were busy and if here I amgetting really emotional about
this. But if there was one thing they
were going to sacrifice, it was community and it was something
for themselves and. Gosh.
Oh yeah. So I ended up eating a lot of
vegan cheese, a lot of crackers.Wow, that is so real.
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Again and again with organizations I've been a part
of where you know it's very difficult to choose community.
Yeah, Yeah, it is. And you feel vulnerable too, and
putting yourself out there sometimes, so it's another
thing, right? So like, did you feel when you
were starting out like you had community?
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Like, did you feel like you had what the mentorship that you're
giving to people? Like, did you find that
anywhere? Yes.
I will never have a conversationwhere I don't talk about Leslie
Oswald. Leslie Oswald is not the mentor
I made the documentary about. That was Mrs. Daphne Coral, and
that was essential. In fact, I'll just say a quick
story about Mrs. Daphne Coral. When I was a teenager desperate
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to get into this business, somehow, Missus Daphne Quarrel
was the artistic director of Shakespeare in the Park.
And now we don't even have that anymore.
We have Shakespeare in the Ruins, which is an incredible
organization, but back then it was Shakespeare in the Park.
And so they had open auditions and I auditioned and I got a
phone call at my high school. It's actually I got called to
the office and they said you have to call your mom right
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away. So I called my mom and she said
this lady is calling. She needs you to call her right
away. Her name is Missus Daphne
Quarrel. So I used the pay phone at our
school because that was way before cell phones.
And I called her and Misses Carlsaid you have a terrible voice,
but you're hired. I love it.
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I was a dancer and I was, I was trying to be an actor and, and
so she trained me in my voice and not to sing, but to to act
because, you know, we were outside, there were planes, you
had to be heard. And so she and she was, so she
would just throw me into things all the time.
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And so I learned so much There awhole bunch of other women,
particularly Robin Dow, who was my tap teacher, who threw me
into a fashion show at the Bay where we were just seen from the
knees down. It was just a shoe show.
Cool, so. I had that experience and then
Leslie Oswald when I came back from film school.
Actually, I had lived in Torontofor a while.
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I was deeply homesick, but I sawthat they were doing 1 show in
Winnipeg. They used to have paper copies
of Playback magazine and I used to go to the theater bookstore
and just read the Backpage to see what was filming and I saw
something in Winnipeg. So I came home.
She hired me that day. She.
Threw me into the hardest job you can imagine.
I had to find 500 volunteer extras for Winnipeg's first big
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movie of the week. And they all had to be wearing
tuxedos or black or white gowns because it was like the scene
was that like Jane Seymour was coming out in a red gown.
So they needed everybody else tohave this black tie kind of
thing. So I succeeded at that.
And then Leslie said, come for abeer.
And I was like, Oh my gosh, I'm going to get fired.
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And so she was like, what do youwant to do?
What do you want to do with yourcareer?
And I said, I want to be a writer, director, producer and
actor. And she was like, help me out.
What do you really want to do? Like, what specifically do you
want to do? Because I want to help you.
So you have to tell me what you want to do.
And I'm telling you, to this day, Leslie and I work together.
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We haven't always worked together, but a lot of the great
opportunities that I've had, it's because Leslie's gone.
Rebecca Gibson can do anything. As a matter of fact, we were
just in a meeting about this feature film that we're doing
that I'm an executive producer on and there was a moment
talking about we need a puppeteer for a scene.
And she's like, Rebecca Gibson is one of the best puppeteers in
Canada. She can do this like I'm the
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executive producer in the movie,but kind of advocacy and
mentorship that she taught me a couple of things.
One, she taught me about really clearly articulating even to the
universe and to myself exactly what I want to do.
And also just asking other people, what do you want to do?
How can I support that? And that's been everything.
And so many other women. That's how I think community
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gets built. It's like, how can I help you?
How can you help me? And having something of value to
share is, I think, a real good way to hook each other in. 100%,
that's really cool. That's really cool.
So that kind of takes me into the next question, like as a
female in the industry, what do you think has been your biggest
roadblock? Like you had the help, you had
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the community that you were building, the support.
Where did you find the roadblockreally was for you?
Well, it would be easy to say men isn't true, but you know, if
you asked me that 15 years ago, I would have probably answered
that way because I found my The biggest roadblock is me.
That's what I'm going to say. Me myself.
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I chose to concentrate on the vision of dudes who I thought.
I don't know why I thought this,but deep down inside I think I
thought that their work had morevalue than mine.
And I was. It was easier for me to put my
focus on other people's work creatively than my own.
And to this day, we just launched a new content company
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called Live from Winnipeg so that my work can have its day.
We have a great team it can have, but I keep diverting my
energy to other things. And.
It's, it's so much less comfortable than it used to be
to do that. And I think that's a good thing.
I think that one of these days I'm going to go, what are you
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doing here? I think that maybe you need to
remove that roadblock and I'm still dealing with it.
Yeah, I mean, I think we all do,right?
Like it's like that imposter syndrome that we feel inside
that deep down, you know, feeling that we're not good
enough or something like that. And so it's nice to know that
it's starting to go away for youbecause you've done so many
incredible things over time that, you know, if anybody
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doesn't have imposter syndrome, it should be you.
But that you're a human being and we all feel that way, you
know? And that's, it's kind of
comforting to hear that from you, to be honest, because I
know Chelsea and I often are like, Oh my gosh, what are we
doing? Can we do and?
Don't you feel like like if likeI feel like you can evolve and
you can be successful. But in a way, us being our own
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roadblock is not always a bad thing because we always have to
be challenging ourselves and pushing, pushing ourselves
forward. And I feel like if we got to the
place where we didn't feel like we were kind of having a hard
time with that or coming up against that, then maybe we
would be plateauing or like not challenging ourselves, right.
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So, yeah, there you go. Maybe that's a good thing.
Like maybe that just means that you're constantly wanting to
create and do more and be your best and, and push the envelope
out. Yeah, exactly.
And that's why you do what you do, right?
Yes. I don't know the.
Other thing in this business is we as artists in this medium of
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film and television, we have to convince other people that our
vision has value. And sometimes that can be a
roadblock too. Because if you're a painter, I
mean, of course there are thingsyou have to do where it's like
you have to convince somebody toshow your work and you have to
convince somebody to buy your work.
And but we have to convince like100 people that of the 17,000
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projects that are submitted, ours is the one that to get the
funding, ours is the one that you should come and be part of
our crew. Ours is the one that you should
come be the star of. And it's like, it's a lot of
self-confidence in the vision. Totally.
That's like. It's like telling them about the
painting without the painting being there and you're like, I
promise the painting is going tobe so good.
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Just trust me. Please trust me.
We are the best people. You know, this is reminding me
of another roadblock that I haveseen, which is I try really hard
to lead away from this, but it'sa scarcity mentality in our
business, which I feel like theyreally try to pit US against
each other as artists. And by they, that's not even a
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person. It's not even like a group.
It's just like the there's something that's identically
where it's like, Oh well, only 12 films can get telephone
funding or you know, there's only people will say there's
only two channels in Canada and I'm like, that's not even true.
No, but they try to make us feellike, you know, we're competing
against each other. But.
Whenever I've been living my best creative life, I've never
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felt that sense. I've always felt like there's
space for all of us to tell our stories and we can see it like
what you're doing right now and all the, you know, online
content like TikTok, for instance.
There's millions of people who have niche preferences for what
they want to watch, and then monetizing it is another thing.
But sure, they creatively and storytelling wise, lots of
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people want to hear a diversity of stories.
Yes, absolutely. Yeah, no, absolutely.
I feel like we feel like that too, even as actors, right.
You know, we all have our own stories to tell.
We have our own, like, I can't tell my story the way you tell
your story. And that's the same goes in
film. That same goes in as a painter,
you know, in any, in any art form really.
We all have our own unique voices and there's room for
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everybody at the table. I believe that.
I really, really believe. Yeah, me too.
Me too. So you want to like make
everybody feel that way too. So.
Yeah, yeah, of course. Right.
Remember that. You are unique.
You have your own voice. Yeah.
And that that does bring me to the next question, which is
like, so you've seen obviously probably a lot change for women
over the last, I mean couple decades, maybe even more so in
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the last 10 years. Yeah, But yeah.
And so you've seen like, you know, major change so much.
What do you think still needs tochange?
Like what would you say you're you're proud of that?
Has it's changed? And then what?
Like really needs to change if you were to pinpoint it.
I love what's changed is it's not cool or comfortable for
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people to harass other people, and it's not cool or comfortable
for people to assume authority over women.
There's a greater sense of womenhaving a voice.
I remember doing the casting fora film like 25 years ago and the
producer, he was from away and Iwas about to have a a pitch
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meeting with the director who was also from away.
And this meeting was for me to to pitch who I thought should
play the roles in the film. So I was a casting director who
was very successful. I didn't do it for a long time
because I kept on being the reader and everybody wanted to
cast me in the movies. And I was like, wow, I'm a
single mom, I have a baby. I can make a lot more money
acting, you know, which is what I had done prior to that, But
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but I was very good at it, dare I say.
And this guy was like and when this director comes in, you
know, look at you holding your coffee cup like, you know, oh,
small, like you have to talk to him.
Like, listen, buddy, this is cast him like this man was
telling me how to speak and and I was like, I hate it.
It's actually one of the momentswhere I was like, I'm not doing
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this job anymore. Like I can't put up with this
kind of nonsense. And I don't think that you would
get away with it as much. Like I just had a very
challenging work conversation today with the men and with me
was a young colleague who absolutely in my mind is equal
to everybody in that call. Also in her mind, which is to
her credit because she's very young and really claims her
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space. I love it.
I was, I think that's one of thereasons I was feeling a little
drained today is because I had to be very strong in that call
to make sure that there were certain that our bottom line was
clear that we would not accept certain things.
And at the end of the day, everything is probably going to
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work out just great. But oof, I don't see myself
having been able to do that 35 years ago.
Or you. Know like finding your voice,
finding your voice and being competent and yeah, your power.
I love that. And also knowing that they
couldn't get away with dismissing me because of the way
that things have changed, that'shuge.
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But what still does need to change, I think is it would be
really nice not to feel like it's always a fight.
Like I honestly feel a lot of the time like if I'm advocating
for a point of view, which I have a very strong track record
for success and I have a very strong track record for problem
solving. If something is, you know,
somebody has an idea. I'm, I'm like the actualizer.
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I can make stuff happen. And if broadcaster notes are
received and they're like, what do we do?
I know how to fix things, but I wish it wasn't a fight every
single time to convince people that I know what I'm talking
about and I see it with women. Also.
It's like. It's huge, yeah.
And also other traditionally marginalized people, like some
people have invisible disabilities.
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And for them to be able to communicate their point of view
without it taking a complete toll on their spirit, It's like,
can we just not have to fight sohard all the time?
And could we just listen more empathetically?
Like eventually we're, maybe it takes a little more time, but
eventually we're going to get toa solution that feels good.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, that's real.
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I mean, we feel that all the time.
Like, you know, we're still, we're still paving our way on
our end and, and we're both, youknow, we've had great careers as
actors and are still having to prove ourselves as producers and
creators. And I mean, I'll speak for both
of us when I say like, you know,in our meetings, like there's a
lot of positivity and receptiveness, but we still feel
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like we have to do that too. And yeah, I look forward to not
having to maybe one day. Yeah.
But I think it's always going tobe, I mean, I do wonder, you
know, like I wonder if if men dofeel that as well to a certain
extent, or if it really truly isbecause of our sex.
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I feel like what I have observedis that certain men have this
seemingly unshakable confidence that's allowed them to be very
successful. Yeah.
And even there's vulnerability within them.
And I see a lot of the time if men are more empathetically,
we're all artists and a lot of us come to the table with, you
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know, whole lot going on inside ourselves, whether that be like
physical or mental or intellectual.
Like there we have all kinds of different stuff going on.
And sometimes I think it I've seen it take a toll on men too.
I think it's just it's a patriarchal system.
It's, it's a, and it's a capitalist system.
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Absolutely. How do we dismantle that?
That is a whole other podcast, ladies and gentlemen.
We don't have enough time for that.
Or how do we participate in systems that already exist in a
way that leaves more space to breathe and everything's not
just so rushed all the time. And so, you know, desperate to
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stay alive. Really like the, you know, with
all the changes going on, you, Isee this all the time, people
getting laid off or, you know, their position is terminated,
they're fired or whatever because things are contracting,
contracting. And then because I've been
around a while, it's like, it's like an accordion.
It's like, as people try to figure out what the next thing
is. And really the focus should be
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in our storytelling because of the medium we've chosen
audience, like, how do we connect?
How do we, you know, like reach people?
That's what we're trying to do. So have you felt that there's
been a pivotal moment where you know that you're doing exactly
what you should be doing and you're able to do that And yeah,
do tell. About, I'm going to say about 15
ish years ago, I was separated from my husband and I was
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raising my two kids on my own and I had like my parents were
very supportive, but I really had to scrap and scrape to, you
know, provide for those kids andsome people that I had worked
with before, three women, one ofwhom was a friend, two were
colleagues. They invited me to come to a
meeting at one of their homes. And of course, like my instinct
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is always like I'm in trouble. And so I went there and, and
they said we should start a company together.
And, and you know, the position was we'd worked together before
in different capacities. And each of us, whatever we said
we were going to do, we always saw through.
So we thought that there could be alignment for us all to work
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together. So this was in May of that year,
I can't remember what year it was.
And then by August of that year,we were in principal photography
on a feature film with a budget of $5000.
Wow. Date.
It's my favorite experience and I Co wrote the script.
The $5000 was a short film grantthat my one of my business
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partners had earned. And of course I was so nervous.
I was like Oh no, like we can't make a feature out of a short
film grant. They'll be matched like
whatever. Yeah, they'll be happy.
It turned out that they were happy.
We wrote the very short script into a feature length film and
we all did all the jobs. We brought in a few team members
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who we said we're keeping a spreadsheet.
If this movie makes any money, everybody gets a percentage.
It was very much about equality.Like there was nobody got more
money. It was like everybody got the
same. And we finished the film and
like, I just remember being on set going, this feels exactly
like what I always wanted to do.That's amazing.
My daughters, one of them was one of the leads in the movie.
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She played the little boy because we couldn't find a
little boy. She's like oh anyways.
It's like Peter Pan. They used to do that with Peter
Pan. Wow.
And then my eldest daughter, whowas 12 at the time, she did the
production design with me. We did all the food props, I did
all the catering and craft services.
And she was in the movie too. So it was just like the three of
us with these business partners and with a few other team
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members and. Everybody was.
Like there for the passion and we got to go to cool places and
the movie turned out and when wepremiered at VIF, the whole
crew, like even background performers, everybody travelled
out and at the Q&A when they called everybody, I feel like
I'm going to say 30 people who came to the front to answer
questions. And I just felt like this is
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that that's. Winning.
Yeah, yeah. That's what it's about.
The film was like, they lecture about it at Cambridge, like it
was like it was an impactful film for the story, not just
that we made it for $5000. So I felt like, yeah, I I'm just
always chasing the high of doingsomething that that that's that
collaborative and creative and small and beautiful and I just,
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I loved it. Yeah, wow, that's really cool.
That's such a beautiful place tofeel like your whole and to
build from and always try to find again, you know, like that
feeling and how what's it called?
Like organic. It was probably, you know.
That's what it was. We were accountable to no one
other than all the people who agreed to be a part of what we
were doing. And it was funny.
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Like we would have a sound person who'd be like, I can do
three days, OK, great. Somebody else can do three days.
Like it was just like organic the word.
Meanwhile, I was also juggling. At that time, I was acting and
writing on a series. I got the lead in that and we
were like in prep for that. And then I was doing another
movie that I was a date player on.
And so it was like juggling all those things.
Like there were times when I didn't sleep.
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We're going to set with the flu one day, but I think it was food
poisoning from the food I cookedbefore experienced it was I
didn't soak the chili beans. Everything was vegan.
I didn't soak the chili beans long enough.
So I'm like on set, doing like my scenes and then going off to
be like, you know. No, that's the worst.
Classic. Favorite.
It was my favorite. Wow.
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My gosh. So awesome.
So wow. I don't even know where to go
from there, but that was a good story.
Where do you go from? I guess I would ask, OK, so
because you've done things so organically, because you've
created such a cool beginning tothis amazing career that you've
kind of built off of that, let'ssay.
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Knowing all those things, what would you refuse to gatekeep to
somebody who's new in the industry?
Is there something that you would, you know, like one thing
that you would or a couple things that you would refuse to
not share with these young folks?
Yeah, I am very much a blurter. I will share anything with
anybody. But there's one thing that I
won't share and I think it's important for people to know is
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that anything related to business affairs that's been
given to me, I won't share that because that's something that
somebody else's creative work, even if it's a legal document or
like people ask me all the time,can I please just get a location
agreement? Or can I just like, if you want
to see if somebody's like, can you show me a budget?
I'll say yes, here's the telephone naked.
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You fill it in. Maybe you're not using every
line, but here's this. But I'm not going to tell you
how much it's going to cost for your gaffer because I don't know
how much it's going to cast or cost.
So and like pitch decks, that's something that I won't share my
pitch decks unless I'm like, OK,I'm going to show this with you.
I'm going to show this to you. But I'm not going to send it to
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you, you know, because this is something that I've built.
That's my creative property. And I can honestly just imagine
somebody taking that and then using it against me by saying
Rebecca Gibson put this documentout into the universe And then,
you know, I took this advice andmy show didn't get ordered.
So that's the kind of thing where I'll share with you the
kind of things that go into a pitch deck and very happily
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like, but I can't share the the work that's that's not mine to
share or that is maybe going to put you on a wrong trail like
some things you have to figure out yourself.
Yeah, I think there is somethingabout protecting ourselves as
well, right. And not being bullied into, I
don't know, submission. I I don't, I don't want to say
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submission, but like, you know, it's like we can sometimes feel
it is, it is essentially becausesometimes we do feel that
pressure. And so it's like we want to
support each other. Like you said.
I really liked what you said, how you said I'll teach you how
to make a pitch deck or I'll, I'll share with you and guide
you in that. But then you still have the
respect for yourself and what you're creating to protect
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yourself as well. And I think that that's really
important. Yeah.
I've definitely had younger, more emerging talent ask me for
stuff like that in the past and it's been the same kind of
thing. Just point them in the right
direction of what to do. And I'm like, you know, you can
be more than happy to help shapewhatever they're doing if they
need like advice, always going to be there.
But I'm definitely not just going to give you a budget, you
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know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's one thing for me when people ask me to do a
mentorship, you know, my time isreally precious and that's
something that I think that sometimes people don't
understand. But also I have like clinical
mental health stuff that makes my career harder, but it also is
a tremendous gift because of whoI am.
I'm able to do the work that I do and do it meticulously.
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And, you know, I can see big pictures and like, there's all
kinds of benefits to my superpower of my my.
Gosh, absolutely. They're all superpowers.
Yeah, but people don't realize sometimes if I can't get back to
them, it's not because I don't want to.
And I have to do a mentorship ina structured way.
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I have to know, OK, at 3:00 on Saturday, I'm talking with so
and so in Toronto. And you know they're going to be
prepared because I've given themthis material and we're going to
have a very efficient 2 hour session.
And I'm doing it through Women in Film and Television, Toronto
Bone or I'm doing a producer thing through Gems Vancouver and
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it's going to be for a six monthperiod and then I'm done that
because otherwise I couldn't keep it straight.
And that's something else that Ido gatekeep is if I give
somebody some tasks or I ask them to do something like make a
make an appointment and if they don't do certain things, I'm not
going to bug them about it, right?
But anything? With their mother.
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Yes, some people call me Mother and I don't mind.
So. What advice would you give to a
young female or a non binary person just starting out that
wants to make me difficult work and have a sustainable career in
film? Find your people.
Find your people. Find your people.
Yes, love. That another thing, and like
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that is the most important and equally the most important is
figure out what being seen meansto you, because some people have
success before they're ready to be perceived by the world, and
that can be terrifying. And also maybe being seen to
you, you're going to think aboutthat question and you're going
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to go, oof, actually, what does that mean to me?
And why do I want to tell my stories and why do I want to be
a part of telling other people'sstories?
Like, what is what is it that gets me going about that and how
comfortable I am with that? Because these days now you're
not just like you have value as an artist.
Like maybe you can write a greatscript, but unless you're
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willing to be seen and, you know, have articles written
about you and pictures taken of you, you have less value.
So your value is in like what you are doing right now.
That's bringing value to your work in all kinds of fields,
like as producers, as actors, everything you're doing.
Because yeah, you're, you're willing to be seen.
And you know why you want to be seen?
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Well, and that's also us just owning our power, right?
Like not feeling like we don't deserve to be proud of what
we're creating and what we're doing and and having ourselves
out there. That's right.
And also it's about knowing yourself really, really well and
not being afraid of, you know, maybe making a mistake or, or
being at being a little bit different.
Like that's OK and that's totally normal.
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But it's just really knowing yourself and being open to
sharing your story, your own story, not just the stories
you're telling. Amen, OH.
My gosh, yes. Love it.
What do you wish that you could have told your younger self?
Rebecca? If you could go back and tell
her something really valuable, Iwould say.
You are going to have the life that you always wanted.
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So enjoy it. Enjoy every second, even the
hard stuff, because what you believe is going to happen is
going to happen. And that's what I would want to
know because I wouldn't change anything.
Yeah. You know, everything that I have
the privilege to wake up every day and get to do is because of
everything that led up to it. And a lot of the times I'm like,
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oh, well, this is it, you know, like this is the last show we're
going to get to do or, you know,there's those moments.
And yeah, you mentioned making amistake.
Like, yes, we're going to make mistakes.
Like I make mistakes all the time.
And I would, I would remind myself that my, my tendency
toward accountability is going to be the most important gift
that I give myself. Accountability.
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I love it. Helped me all through.
Yes, that's huge. Because only you can do that for
yourself. Just like you said with your
mentors, you're not going to check in on them with your
mentees. You know, once you give them a
list of things to do, it's up tothem to do it.
Yes. Right.
Yeah. So OK, just to wow a couple.
Of last questions. What keeps you going?
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Like what keeps you inspired these days and grounded?
When the industry gets really tough, like today for example,
when you had to have a tough conversation, what what keeps
you inspired? This is something.
And grounded. My team is the best and the last
six months of our, no, I'm goingto say the last year of our time
together, we just finished a very hard show.
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Well, we're delivering a very hard show that like the subject
matter is very real and very hard and it's very dear to us
and it's very important to us. And as we worked on that show, a
lot of us found ourselves confronted with some personal
stuff because working on that kind of content can sometimes
bring stuff out in you. And there were clashes that I
hadn't experienced in quite sometime.
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And some people that we worked with didn't continue to work
with us. And some people that we worked
with who we were able to clash with, but figure it out
together, like we're galvanized.So that's something that's
really inspiring to me is to know and to really want to work
hard for the team members that Ihave because I'm really in a
position of leadership. And so it's really up to me to
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drive and to keep us going and also to recognize when we're
pushing a little too hard. And so that both it keeps me
inspired and grounded to be withthe folks that I have the
pleasure and privilege of working with because, you know,
I just want to do that forever. That's so amazing.
Really is so amazing. OK.
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Well, we have one more question that's like I think the best
question. These are all such great
questions, OK? Yeah, this is what we really
want to know is what does sisterhood mean to you?
Oh. My gosh, I love this sisterhood
means we're all connected and I feel it so deeply like meeting
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you 2 for instance. It's just instant like you get
it, I get it. We all get it.
We're Nikola Pender who introduced us sister she gets we
are all here together and sisterhood to me, but also is
inclusive of other people who may not be women.
And. And that's a really weird thing,
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but it's, it's like, are you part of this connectivity and
this interconnectivity? Do you want to be then you're a
sister or, you know, even just like thinking about the
interconnectivity of us and the planet as women, you know, I
feel like we really have the power to remind people of our
interconnectivity to all everything, like all living
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things, all rocks. We're all we're all here
together. So sisterhood is like this bond
that we have. And I feel like it's like a
responsibility that we. Have too, absolutely, and I see.
That in you too. Also in your work, like you just
you just know you just do that. Thank you for saying.
That thanks. Yeah, that means that means a
lot. But you're you're hitting it on
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the head. I mean, it's like a support and
a connection. And I love that you said it's
beyond, you know, women specifically because, yeah,
sisterhood is like an all-encompassing feeling and
support system. And I I love that.
I love that you said that because I think that's so
important too. Yes, thank you so much, Rebecca,
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This has been you've we've takenup way too much of your time,
but you're so so, so grateful that you came out we.
Could talk to you. We could all night.
I know. You love it.
Thank you so much, both of you. What a pleasure to.
Visit Yeah, thank you so much. And we can't wait to see like,
what you continue to do. I mean, you're so inspiring to
us and like, we need more women like you.
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So thank you for everything thatyou're you're doing.
It's really cool and really inspiring.
Thank you and I really hope we all get to do something
together. That's the dream, that's.
That's the dream. My dream chamber.
We're going to make that happen at some point in the same time.
Good, good, good. Can you share with our listeners
if anybody wants to follow you on socials or check out
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anything? What would you say would be the
best way to follow you online? I'm terrible at the social
medias. I did it for a little while when
everybody in the industry was like, you have to have social
media. I was like, OK, oh, shy I,
you'll find me there. But if you want to see our
corporate website, whichiseaglevision.ca and
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that's, you know, even if you message info@eaglevision.ca,
your message will get to me. If you want to connect with me,
you are welcome to do that. And then you can see some of the
work we're doing, and we're justgoing to keep going.
We're just gonna keep trying. Amazing.
All right, everyone check it out.
Thank you so much. Thank.
You, Rebecca. Thank you, Rebecca.
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We're just so nice to see you. So nice to see you just so.
Good to see. You enjoy the rest of your
summer. Yeah.
And yeah, we'll talk to you soon.
Bye. OK, bye.
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