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June 11, 2025 49 mins

Riots in L.A., military on the streets, Telemundo vans in flames, and some serious conspiracy fuel — all in this week’s firestarter of an episode. John and Steve break down the chaos erupting in downtown Los Angeles, where ICE sweeps sparked protests, looting, and media spin so thick you’d think it was scripted.

They cover everything from the optics nightmare of waving flags on burning Waymos, to the deeper implications of pallets of bricks mysteriously appearing on curbs. Is this organic rage or manufactured unrest? The boys dive into the conspiratorial weeds, drawing parallels to CIA playbooks and election year power grabs.

Plus, the brewing beef between Trump and Elon Musk, the “Dark MAGA” conspiracy, JD Vance's Peter Thiel pipeline, and why no one really wants to talk about the Epstein files.

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On this week's episode, Riots inLA, Liar Liar, Patel on fire and
the Dark MAGA Conspiracy. Plus getting caught up on the
fire ground. Welcome to the fireside.
I don't know where else to startother than Los Angeles.
How can we not talk about the shit show that's happening in LA

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right now? Los Angeles is burning yet
again. Yeah, per usual.
So we'll talk about the episodeslike little.
I just want to I put together a little montage of what's
actually happening in Los Angeles right now.
In case people aren't aware of what's happening, You can get a
visual of how things are happening.
So here we go. Chaos erupts here in LA County,
widespread immigration raids triggering protests from

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Paramount to downtown. And tonight, an unlawful
assembly has been declared as President Trump announces he
will be deploying thousands of National Guards here to Los
Angeles. Hello.
It's like a fucking movie. That's what I'm saying, man.

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What the fuck was that? It's like a fucking bottle
rocket RPG. As the cop cars were going by,
they were sitting there and grabbing these fucking rocks,
these big boulders, and throwingthem at fucking cop cars and the
ice vehicles, yeah, as they're like.
Can't be doing that. Yeah, and there's like people
like bottle rockets going. I don't know what the fuck is
happening, but there was a lot of shit going on that was just

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some of it. Like I could have packed it with
a lot more footage and like and it's.
Still happening? What's today, day four or
something like that? Day 4, they just sent in the
Marines. Yeah, they sent in 700 Marines.
Shout out 27. 2000 I think it was National Guard.
Yeah, what the fuck? So Mayor Karen Bass she got on

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this TV idiot. Yeah, we've gone over her shit
in the past. Or shenanigans.
But she got on and said, Hey, this is, I want you to know that
Los Angeles is mostly at peace right now.
I'm paraphrasing like she's like, everything is mostly OK.
And I, I've heard accounts from other people, like watching
news, like most of LA is going about its business.
Like you have to understand likethis is isolated to downtown.

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So it's not like the entire cityof Los Angeles is on fire.
Sure, but this is happening in downtown Los Angeles right now.
Mostly peaceful. They.
I haven't heard that one. I have.
Have you really? Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, I did. Mostly peaceful.
One person I can't remember was a comment, one of the people on
CNN or not, but they were sayingsomething up to the effect of

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they're getting these people whoare just sitting there having
fun watching things. Burn watching cars burn.
Yeah, I'm like, you ever get together with your friends and
just torch a car? The wildest thing was them
calling in the way MO's dude, did you see that they?
Called in like 5 way MO's yeah and lit them all when they
showed up. So, OK, let, let's, we can get

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to a like a different side of this, a conspiratorial side.
Just breakdown real quick what'shappening?
ICE and DSADHS agents. They launched immigration raids
targeting undocumented workers in LA's garment district.
And I'm sorry to interject, to my understanding, they were.
They're not necessarily even raids.
They were looking for specific individuals probably who were
wanted for violent crimes. That's where this all started.

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Well, even Stephen Miller was kind of people have said he's
been in there is like he's not doesn't care if they're fucking
criminals or anymore. He just wants everybody wants
them. He wants more arrests, which is
why they're ramping up these raids.
But to your point, they're not just fucking busting into the
fucking club and like everybody on your hands and knees, they.
Might be now. They might be now, but yeah,
they are like you said, a lot oftimes and mom saying this is the

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case 100% of the time, especially now.
But they were looking for, hey, Jesus Garcia, We know he's
usually here at Home Depot in the morning looking for work.
Let's go to Home Depot. That kind of deal.
So ICE and DHS were conducting these.
We'll call them sweeps, not raids.
Mostly sweeps. Mostly sweeps and they're going

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in and I guess like word had started to spread.
This is in Paramount in LA, mostly Hispanic neighborhood
apparently. And word was starting to spread
like, hey, they're rounding up everybody.
So people are getting pissed. And usually it's a lot of
younger people that get pissed. They got the energy to get
pissed. Well, yeah.
And be out there in the streets.Hey, I'm, I'm 47.
Like, I'm not out there in the streets chucking rocks.
The cops. Dude and I, I've noticed a lot

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of these people out in the streets, like do you guys just
have jobs? Why aren't you at work?
Well, to be fair, they were trying to get work at Home Depot
and then they were chased. They were chased out of there.
So yeah, the protests break out in the Fashion District in
Paramount. Protesters are chanting all the
fucking things that they always do.
Federal agents come in with pepper spray tear.
Not even federal agents for the most part.

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What I to my understanding most of what is being done there is
by LAPD like. At least at first for the.
First person like they were likethe feds were there to back up.
The National Guard has been hands off to this point.
They were basically just protecting the federal building
there and any other federal agents that they were just there
to like, hey, we are here. We're not going out in the

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crowd. We're not doing riot control or
anything like that, right? So they mobilized the National
Guard. All that you mentioned, how many
people there, they were blockingthe freeway, The one O 1
freeway, they're blocking that shit again, doing what they
always do, which is God damn it,man.
I'm just trying to go to work. I'm trying to go home.
Yeah. Do I need the freeway blocked?
I feel bad for the regular people, like they're blocking
freeways, they're blocking streets.

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It's like, come on, you guys. I say this right now and this
this happened with probably the BLM protests, mostly peaceful
protests back in 2020. Yeah, 2020.
Where they were blocking freeways, people are getting
their cars fucked up, the windows broken like they're just
trying to fucking go to whereverthey're going and they're
getting interrupted by these mostly peaceful protesters.

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Especially. I remember a lot in California,
the Bay Area that happened in quite a bit.
And like this is now why I carryextra ammo with me.
I I do not want my children and my wife subjected to this like
possibly life threatening situation.
Well, what worries me, dude, is so we're on day 4 of this, and
so far no one's gotten killed. But I was talking to Jordan

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about it this. Kind of amazing, honestly.
It's. Pretty impressive.
We were talking about this morning how in 2020, when the
BLM riots were going down, the administration was different.
Now you have you have a president who's not afraid to
whip his Dick out and throw it on the table and be like, all
right, he. Wants to he's.
Been I kind of get that feeling I.

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Think he was. Now we'll start going towards
the more like trying to get in Trump's head and conspiratorial
side. I think this is exactly what he
wants. At least to maybe I hope that
it's not what he wants to like hurt people, but maybe he wants
it to like, prove a point of listen, motherfucker.
I don't like Gavin Newsom, I'm going to shit on him and Karen.

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I'm going to shit on California the second I get a chance and #2
this is a great time for me to again whip out my Dick and
enforce my immigration policy. Look what's happening in
Southern California. We need troops.
We need more enforcement. We need Palantir to step in with
all the fucking data. Connection, you know, and and.
But to be fair, the government of California is not doing
themselves any favors. I'm not, I'm not one of those

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guys who's like, well, you need to come out and condemn the
violence. Like I think that's all
bullshit. But Newsom and and Bass, they're
not, they're not helping the situation because you had Bass
out there saying we're going to protect all Angelenos, whether
they're here legally or undocumented, we're all one
people and get out there. And she's encouraging it.
You're not helping. And it to me, it seems like

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there's a good chance that both sides are kind of banning the
flames here just to kind of because the the Democrats.
It's a political moment. Right.
The Democrats want Trump to mobilize the military and kick
everybody's ass and violence in the chin.
Oh my God, it's authoritarian and all this other shit.
And Trump wants the Democrats tolet the city go to shit so that
it looks good for the Republic. Another person who really wants

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this because they're ramping up their run for president is Gavin
Newsom, because now he looks like the he was on TV, like
talking a lot of shit. You want to arrest me because he
was talking about Tom Holman? You want to arrest me, Tom, come
do it. You know, I'm just tired of
this. Tom Holman will do it, dude.
He probably would. But I mean, I don't know if
you're getting, that's another. Thing because I've thought of, I
really hope they don't. I mean, at one point, like if
you're impeding the federal government from enforcing

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federal. I don't think they are though.
I don't think they are. But if if they start to do that,
you know what I mean, because there's a lot of talk about it,
then you could get arrested. But at the same time, I don't
want them to get arrested because that's bad optics for
the other. Like nobody wins here.
Nobody wins. I think this is a great time for
Gavin Newsom to flex and say, hey, look how, you know, I've
been standing up to Trump. I've been on record standing up

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to him this whole time. So when it comes time for him to
get elected, like he's the clearcandidate, Like, hey, I'm the
guy that's going to put a stop to this.
Even though he's been a fucking snake on so many issues, it's
awesome to see how he's fucking shedding his skin now and
turning into somebody completelydifferent.
Yeah, they fucking defunded the healthcare for the illegals
there because that's a popular thing now.
So he got rid of that, even though he was the one that
instituted it. Or you could just play devil's

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advocate and say like, yeah, I did that and I saw that it was a
bad idea, so we repealed it. Hey, I'm not above saying I was
wrong. I've got some more interesting
footage of this. Please show.
Here we go. Oh, that's the wrong one, this
one. So here I'd like to point out.
Kid walking around the skateboard, never a good thing.

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The van that they're burning is a Telemundo van.
You can't make this shit up dude.
But like I just I have questionslike how does this help your
'cause? I do want everybody to see that
breaking window is much more difficult than you think.
Fairpoint fair sidebar, this onehere, this these are those

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waymos you were talking. About there's like 5 of.
Them And so another thing from afirefighters perspective, you
know how much toxic bullshit youguys are releasing into the air,
Environmentally friendly California and all that shit.
You know how bad one of these car fires is for your area?
I don't know this. Maybe you do.
Are Waymo's electric? I thought they were I I don't
know. I genuinely don't know.

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Yeah, because we went to the facility in downtown and they
are, they're all plugged in. Oh, really?
OK, correct me if I'm wrong, butI.
I don't know I'm. Pretty sure they're electric.
I don't know somebody out there if I can drop it in the
comments. They also are looting the Jordan
store. Of course there's going to be
looting, of course. So come on down to LA, stand up
for the immigrants and steal some shoes.

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I mean, you're always going to have people who take advantage
of a situation, but like. Of course it's but it.
They're looting the Apple store.They're looting the Jordan store
again. This does not help your optics.
The biggest the biggest one thatI saw was the guy on top of the
burning way MO waving the Mexican flag.
I'm like, not good. This looks so obviously bad for

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your side. It almost feels to me like a fed
well. Speaking of feds.
Just I had a feddy feel. Feds, Here's where it gets
crazy. OK, here's somebody who
captured. Why are there always pallets of
bricks? Pallets of cinder blocks being
dropped off overnight. Just pallets of cinder blocks.

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Well, it's got a purchase word on the side.
I wonder if they can somebody can zoom in to find that.
Here's footage. I'm going to mute this.
Here's footage of a pickup truckpulling up and eventually it'll
zoom in here. But they're handing out these
big boxes. In those boxes, grades face
Shields to protect from pepper spray.
Yeah, like where's that? Who's?

(11:30):
Dropping these off. Now, I don't, I'm not somebody
that thinks that every one of these things is completely
funded by George Soros and the fucking, you know, all those
people. I don't think that, but at some
point when something OK, this iskind of almost like ACIA
playbook thing when they go in to overthrow a government, like
the CIA by itself can't overthrow a government, But if

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they know there's a group of opposition that has a chance
like hey, what do you need to maybe take over the.
Country all the time. Like hey, I need probably need
$5000 some grenades and this I'mlike.
Pallet of bricks. Pallet of bricks, like, well,
here you go, here's the pallet of bricks.
They fan the flames. So maybe this is kind of that
situation. They see that that's riot,
right? Whatever peaceful protest had a
little pedal, had a little bit of legs, and they fanned the

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flames like, hey, this is happening anyway, let's drop off
the bricks. And and let's say because the
that that's a discussion there is is who's helping, right?
And so. Part of me face Shields is
weird. It's.
Weird bricks could be like, OK, there's a construction project.
But I'll give you that you're dropping off Shields to protect
people from Mace and tear gas. Where's that coming from?

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And who's buying it right now? It could be some Dick head who's
got $5000 to burn and he's like I'm going to order all these
face Shields on Amazon. He drops them off in my opinion
dude. But we all know it's a fed.
Probably. Probably, but even even if it's
just some civilian buying these Shields and dropping them off,
you should probably get in trouble for that.

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I feel like you're not allowed to give people supplies to go
burn down a city and resist arrest and all that shit.
Like I feel like you're not allowed to do that.
I don't know, like I told you last week, like I'm in my
conspiratorial phase of life. I've hit I've hit that season
welcome. I mean, I've always had a little
bit of that, but like everythingnow seems to be like it's got

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some angle. And so when I you start going
down this rabbit hole of who didthis and why, you're like, dude,
you can splinter out in so many different directions.
This fucking mind is. Filled with joy, I can see your
hat starting to turn into tinfoil just.
Getting a little crunchy? I'm so excited.
But like when I see that, okay, the guy dropping off the bricks,
like, okay, is this like a George Soros thing?

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Like, hey, let's fan the flames,let's do this.
Or is this somebody from Trump administration?
Either way. Or is this somebody from the
deep state saying like, hey, we don't like Trump, we want him
out, so like, hey, here's some breaks like.
Regardless, it's somebody. It's somebody.
Who the fuck is it? Who do you think?
Comment below. Smash that like button.
Which one of us is actually right?

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Actually, I don't think we're arguing on this fucking.
Matter, dude, who? But you know, unfortunately it's
getting to the point. So we're in day four.
I don't see it lightening up before it gets worse.
I don't think it's going to get any better until people start
really getting fucked up out there.
Well, that sucks. Here's The thing is you now
brought in the Marines, 2 sevens, the Light Infantry

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battalion. That's a problem.
Like if you're out there as a protester, like, do you really
want to see if they're going to do anything?
Well, I don't. We were at the station
yesterday, we were on YouTube watching kind of man on the
street style interviews with protesters.
And it seemed to me that a lot of people are just kind of out
there for the meme. Like a lot of people are just

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out there fucking around, right?And who, let's see if we can get
law enforcement to react and they're throwing something and
running away and coming back, throwing something and running.
Like what are you doing? That's young kids.
Get a fucking job. What are you doing?
Get a. Fucking job, kid.
Get a job. Get.
A fucking job. But you know, and so I just, I,
it sucks because I don't want anybody to get hurt, but I and

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I, and for me at least, and correct me if I'm wrong, but we
now have a city on fire. And again.
Los Angeles is always on fire. Fair enough, nothing different.
But we this, the time that it's this time it's on fire, it's
because people are out there protesting the the law being
enforced. And I get it, like, again, I get

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it. Yeah, if you don't.
And I don't necessarily think that our path to citizenship is
awesome, Right? Right.
And I would also be willing to explore, like, if a family's
been here for 30 years, they've established, they've they've
come on, dude. Like, maybe there's a good Gray
area middle ground. Maybe we could fast track them.
I get it because I don't, I don't think we should uproot 40

(15:50):
years of family. But like, how about these
fucking assholes who came over last year and they're wanted for
XYZ crimes? Can we at least find some middle
ground and kick? Well, I think one of the things
that really was popular amongst a lot of people, myself
included, when you're talking about deporting people, like I
don't want the guy that's been here for 30 years who has a job,
has a family. I don't want him gone.
He's a productive, he's contributing.

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Side note, one of the way they're finding some of these
people you talk about like criminals and things like that.
Let's say Hector has a job. He's been paying taxes for the
last 20 years, but he's here illegally.
I know where Hector is because he files taxes every year.
We're going to go get Hector andkick him out.
Like I don't want that dude gone.
Yeah, I could agree with that. I I feel like there should be
some sort of middle ground, but like, can we at least left and

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right? Can we at least kick the violent
people out of the country? No.
Can we at least agree you're? Asking left and right to agree.
On that, the guy wanted for sex crimes against children can be
should be deported. How old is the kid though?
Does it matter? That's some people.
I think 12 is that a minor attractive person?

(16:56):
Oh geez. Well, it is LA that's.
What I'm saying, they're so LA. They are fucking protected class
out there. That's why you're get a lot of
these people that will never agree with you on shit.
Shit that seems common sense to you and me.
Like get rid of the pedophiles. Well, and and it's not what
baffles me honestly, is so we'rewatching these men on the street
interviews and they'd go out there and and just it was that
all gas, no brakes. If you ever.
I fucking love that guy. He's hilarious.

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But he'd go out there and just ask questions like what are we
out here protesting? And they'd be like, well, we're
protesting Donald Trump and his authoritarian rule and OK, So
what is he specific? What is he doing that that you
don't like? Well, he's threatening our
democracy and, and this that andthe other thing.
And OK, how is he threatening the democracy?
Well, he's deporting the people that are that are here illegally
and, and it's just a threat to their freedoms.

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And so it really gets me thinking.
I don't think that. I don't think that these people
are that stupid. I honestly think in some way,
shape or form, somebody has brainwashed them, sure, because
they, I don't think they're dumb.
I think they believe in what they believe in, but they don't.
They can't tell you why. Well, do you remember the I
think way back to last year withthe protests at Columbia over

(18:03):
the Palestine movement deal? Not necessarily refresh me.
Well, they were having at Columbia University there was
like protest sit insurance. They apparently took over a
building, things like that. It was the kind of it was the
free Palestine going anti Israeli deal.
Sure. And they're same thing kind of
man. It wasn't man on the street.
It might have been New York Times or something like that.
But they were interviewing people coming like hey, what are
you here to protest? Like, I don't know, but we got a

(18:24):
text message right? Come down here like so, yeah, to
your point, like you don't know why you're here.
You want to do something, you want to be involved.
You like some people think like this kind of thing is, you know,
the Civil Rights Act of their time or the OR the Vietnam of
their time. And maybe it is so they just
want to feel like. They're a part of well, and, you
know, people on the right are just as guilty.
I've seen people at Trump rallies.

(18:44):
What have I got to stop Kamala from taking over the like
there's? It's both.
Sides, your shit stinks too. Yeah, if this isn't anti left,
it is not anti right. It's like, how about, how about
we all just pause, take a deep breath and let's sit down and
have real discussion with each other?
I feel like that's dead right now.
And Oh yeah, clearly it leads tocivil unrest.
Clearly. Can we not just sit down and

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have an honest conversation? Can we not find middle ground?
Or are we just is there is no middle ground anymore?
I That's what scares. Me, The thing is, I think
between the vast majority of people, there is middle ground.
There is room for conversation, there's room to give and take on
a lot of these issues. But the problem is people to the
extremes on both sides are what get the views.

(19:27):
They get the clips, so they get the loudest voice in society and
media as a whole. So that's what you see and you
think like, yeah, well, I got topick a side.
Well, and I think that the powers that be take advantage of
that. I of course, the people in
power, the politicians, I think they know that 80% of America
has middle ground and just wantsto just have a good life and

(19:48):
raise a family or, or just live the life they want to live and
and be left alone. But they know that the 20% you
can whip up and do a frenzy and create excuses to make more
power grabs and to pass. More strict, more strict laws.
You always hear people talking about politicians playing to
their base, and their base is the loudest, most vocal, extreme

(20:09):
parts of the party. And that's who they play to,
because those are the people that show up at rallies.
Those are the people that alwaysshow up to vote.
Those are people that are paid to show up at some rallies in
the protest. Some person commented last when
you said like, oh, well, it's a jobs program and they get fired
from the government, then they get to go protest.
Someone's like in what fucking world do you think that they're
being paid to do? Like what evidence are like this

(20:30):
one? I like, dude, it was sarcasm
lightning. He's like, calm down.
And he's like, you know, sorry, he's just in this given climate.
And I mean, this is kind of the guy we're talking about, like
the people that are getting weaponized by this mass
hysteria. He's like, sorry I didn't
understand the sarcasm, but in this in this climate, like I'm

(20:51):
in no mood to calm down. Like OK.
Put your phone down right, go touch grass, spend time with
your. Family That's that's The thing
is like people, you're so workedup over a social media comment
of a couple jackasses talking about politics like come on,
fuck us. We do this.
Here's what we say. We do this for fun and like,
calm down. You get informed or think about
something a different way in theprocess.
Fantastic. But we're just having fun.

(21:12):
Why are you gay? Calm the fuck down dude.
Why, Speaking of the 80% of America that unless you had more
on the riots, Speaking of the 80% of America, did you see
Elon's tweet about, well, maybe it's time for a new political
party. I can't do Crowder's Elon, but
it it might be the best Elon Musk impression I've ever.
Hold on, stand by here. So are we.

(21:35):
I think it's time to talk about our boys.
OK? I saw a tweet that said that
said they've reached an agreement that Elon will see
America on the weekends and Trump will have America on the
weekdays. I can't remember which, which
one of mine does it? I'll find it.
It's 2-3 or four. It's probably 2.
Stand by. I'll go.

(21:56):
Here I go. What do we got?
What do we got? I don't know.
I think it's. Nope.
There we go. Is that three?
Yeah. So Donald Trump's in the Epstein
files? This is the real reason they've
not been made in public. Have a nice day DJT.
Mark this post for the future, the truth will come out.
Shit was wild so I had to put some sad music to this.
Because I know the breakup. It's sad.

(22:17):
Mommy and daddy are fighting. And then Donald Trump comes
back. He Londo's wearing thin.
I asked him to leave. I took away his EV mandate that
forced everyone to buy electric cars that nobody else wanted,
that he knew for months I was going to do.
And he just went crazy apparently, Like I don't like we
can talk about that too. I don't mind Elon turning
against me, but he should have done some months ago.

(22:38):
This is the one of the greatest bills ever presented to
Congress. It's a record cut in expenses.
So if you recall, Elon got pretty pissed.
You can let play. Elon got pretty pissed about the
the bill, right, Donald? We should talk.
That's fucking hilarious. So that that's how it kind of

(23:00):
started, at least in public. I don't know what was simmering
behind the scenes. But if anything.
Well, he can show with the blackguy.
We can talk about that. That's for next week's episode.
Oh, it's next week's episode. Yeah, I got caught up in the LA
right. I do have some Elon stuff.
All right, but we'll talk. About Black Eye Club is next
week. Stay tuned.
So who knows what was simmering beneath the surface behind the

(23:22):
scenes, But it started with Muskcoming out and criticizing the
big, beautiful bill, saying thatwas filled with pork and pork
extra spending. Donald, that's better.
You know the bill is filled withpork.
That's pretty good. So he's upset with the bill,
says anybody that votes for us should be ashamed of themselves,

(23:43):
blah, blah, blah, blah. That obviously pissed Trump off.
Trump's thing right now is the big, the BBBB, the big, it's
big. It's going to be so big.
Oh, the big, the one big beautiful bill, dude.
So he got upset because Elon's upset about the bill.
But Trump comes out and says something, maybe revealing,
maybe just talking shit, saying that he's upset because I took

(24:04):
away the EV mandates because he's been getting rid of all
that shit from the Green New Deal.
Like, hey, no one's going to be,no companies are going to be
forced to go this way. I'm not giving subsidies for
buying battery shit anymore. Like that shit's over.
And a big part of Elon's, I don't want to say success, but a
big part of his business was they were giving out huge
fucking refunds for buying EV vehicles for for a while.
Like I think that was even goingon during Trump.

(24:26):
Solar panels, batteries, everything.
Yeah, I, I think you're right. I think you're right on that.
I don't think any of it was real.
What do you mean? There's been I don't know about.
You are you talking about the beef?
Yeah, roving around stations andhearing people talk about it.
Most people I've run into have been like, yeah, dude, that's
it's a distraction. It's bullshit like.
Most of most firemen, including myself, are idiots.

(24:49):
OK, well, speak for yourself, John.
I did, I just said myself. Fairpoint well, something that
Steve. I'm not saying you wrong, I'm
just saying like. Something that Steve, rest in
peace, something that Steve and I have been kind of trying to
pay attention to is when something big happens, don't

(25:09):
look at that. What else is happening?
You know what I mean? OK, so here's this big Epstein
Trump's in that which we should come back to you because I see
you have on that and I've got something on that too.
But the but it's important to look at what else is happening
right now, especially when this is big stupid.
I don't really think they're fighting dude.
Like they've been like this forever and all this money

(25:31):
involved in the campaign, all the support and going all these
rallies so. But did you see, like when they
came out and did this, all of their stocks dropped quite a
bit. Tesla.
Tesla went down. It'll go back up.
Trump's Truth Social went down. Trump's meme coin, his fucking
baby, his fucking crypto fuckingpiracy program he's got going on
that went down. Well, I think it's time for a

(25:53):
little conspiracy. Fucking send it.
Enter the dark. MAGA conspiracy.
If I catch my nail, one more fucking.
Time. I'm sorry.
So let me give you a quick summary.
The dark MAGA conspiracy Dark MAGA, it kind of started well,

(26:13):
let's obviously MAGA started when Trump started running for
president in 2016. It but the dark MAGA first kind
of starting appeared and it started appearing in 2022.
Is this black guys for Trump? No different than black guys for
Trump. I think you might be.
I think it might be confusing that with straight, white gay
men for Harris. Or something like that anyway.
So dark MAGA. OK, wrap your mind around.

(26:37):
This is Elon's baby, right? Elon, little bit of JD Vance,
little bit of Peter Thiel involved.
Interrupt continue. You're fine.
So I think to 1st understand Dark MAGA, we have to understand
JD Vance, where he comes from. So I don't want to get into it
too much 'cause I know we're kind of trying to run through
this a little bit, but essentially JD Vance, according
to the movie that was made abouthim, came from nothing worked

(26:59):
his way up the. Talking about his movie, his
book. Yeah.
Bill, Billy, Ella. That one worked his way up
through the ranks kind of somewhat organically gain, you
know, he went to whatever college he went to, all this
stuff. But what they didn't mention was
that a little man called Peter Thiel was kind of funding him
the whole way. He's received something
ridiculous like $300,000 to one of his campaigns from Peter

(27:20):
Thiel. Yeah, I don't think Jay, I don't
think he's made. It's not a secret.
It's not a secret. Yeah, he like he.
But people are starting to draw the connection OK.
There's a lot of Peter Thiel connections.
Yes. So Speaking of that, let me take
this to my laptop feed. So here's a website called The
Plot Against America. OK, it involves the dark MAGA
conspiracy, which basically is saying.

(27:42):
The plot Say it again. The plot againstamerica.com the.
Plotagainstamerica.com and it maps connections between all of
these big tech people, Donald Trump, JD Vance, and a couple
major players in the political game.
So you can go over here and you can click on different things.
So Palantir and hit connects. Dude, I got a whole fucking
thing on. Palantir it's fucking wild.
PayPal. If I'm off you.

(28:04):
The yeah, that's exactly what we're talking about.
So I'm trying not to butcher this, but essentially the dark
MAGA conspiracy says that the goal is to have Donald Trump be
overthrown or impeached or arrested.
Back up against that again. Dark MAGA.

(28:24):
Yeah, OK. It is basically usurping MAGA
movement okay overthrowing the mainstream Republican Party to
install some sort of technocracyor tech oligarchy in its place.
Do they even need to do that? They fucking own it.
Well, if you look at the major players, JD Vance has been
involved with the PayPal mafia, Silicon Valley tech people since

(28:49):
the beginning, especially Peter Thiel.
He's he's funded his campaigns the whole way.
He's been a big supporter. So the idea is JD Vance was
basically hand selected to be vice president.
I was reading something somewhere that said when they
were in the room, Trump and all of his tech friends talking
about who should we pick for theJ or who should we pick for the
VP. Everybody was like JD Vance, JD

(29:10):
Vance, JD Vance, JD. Vance Well, that was one of the
big selling points on JD Vance. Not only his, I mean, he's very
well spoken. He's eloquent.
He can fucking, he can do all the things in public.
Like he can be everything Trump's not in public.
But they said that because of all of his Silicon Valley
connections that he was going tobring all that money in.
Yes. So put pause on that and think
about all the people that JD Vance is connected to on the

(29:32):
tech side of things. A lot of these people subscribe
to what's called the Dark Enlightenment.
Now the dark enlightenment is that sounds sexy.
Could be the dark enlightenment.I don't know why my mic cut out
right there. Anyway, the dark enlightenment
kind of a basically it's a theory slash take on democracy

(29:53):
as to like how the government doesn't work, the public schools
are broken, journalists are biased, democracy is
inefficient, so we need to privatize the schools.
We need to get rid of elections,replace journalists with
influencers, let the smart people take over the democracy,
meaning the people who are in charge of tech right now because

(30:14):
they're kind of like the leadingminds of innovation in the
United States. And so if you look, the the Dark
Enlightenment is basically saying democracy is broken.
We need to replace it with a newsystem.
And the best system to replace democracy with is a tech
oligarchy. We need to replace what's
referred to in the theory as thecathedral, which is basically,

(30:38):
I'm, I'm not doing this justice.It it's basically saying that
democracy is now obsolete given all of the technological
advances and the fact that we'reso divided, it's just not
working anymore. So it's suggest.
If you listen to Marc Andreessentalk and he's one of these
PayPal mafia dudes like he. It's something they all
subscribe to, he said. He damn there comes out.
Yes, it's something they all subscribe to and it's based.

(30:58):
Essentially it's saying we need to replace our democracy with
the CEO LED monarchy, preferablyCEOs of tech companies of
course. How does this all relate?
So JD Vance is backed by, we're just going to call them the
PayPal Mafia the entire way up to the White House, his entire
career as even kind of going to school.

(31:20):
And then as he enters governmentand now he's the vice president
of the United States. Then you take into consideration
the fact that Elon is big on symbolism.
He's constantly tweeting dark messages.
He's constantly putting out memes that might mean something.
And this is what got me. I actually learned this one this
morning. So Elon's the first person to
wear the black MAGA hat. Yeah.

(31:41):
And he, in an interview, referred to himself as the dark
gothic MAGA. So there you got.
Dark MAGA right there, out loud in quotes.
Do you want to know when he started wearing that hat?
The first public appearance of the dark MAGA hat.
When Butler, PA. Oh, really?
When they tried to kill Trump. Isn't that fucking weird?
Why would they try to kill him given that he was their fucking

(32:03):
ticket to even further power? Well.
That's that's the dark mag of conspiracy is get somebody who
can definitely win the presidency and attach to them
one of your puppets or one of your lap lap dogs, JD Vance, and
in some way, shape or form replace Trump.
And now you have JD who is shilling for the technocracy

(32:26):
leading the country. The whole goal is to take this
somewhere where we are. We are under the rule of tech
CEO's. We're talking about Palantir
last week developing these mass surveillance systems.
And it seems to be kind of goingthat way.
And so in Butler, PA, if you if you really play it out, first

(32:48):
appearance of the dark MAGA hat,Trump gets shot.
They just run JD Vance. That was the plan, right?
So it kind of takes another. Now bringing it back to what
what started this whole conversation in the 1st place.
Now you have this public fighting between Trump and Elon.
Trump possibly being on the Epstein list.
Maybe this is the next dark MAGAplay to replace Trump and get

(33:08):
him out of office and put JD in his place.
Dark MAGA. You need the you need the little
bumper dark MAGA. Yeah, I can't do it right now,
but yeah, we need it. So I'm looking through this list
here, like of people who supported Trump.
Zuckerberg, I think, was kind ofon the fence.
He was hedging his bets. But another tech guy out of
nowhere jumping on the coattails.

(33:29):
Well, yeah, I think he, in particular, him and Sam Altman
both I think are very like, which way is the wind blowing?
And that's the way I'm going, 'cause they both contributed
heavily to Democratic causes in the past.
So those two kind of playing thefence.
David Sachs, all in on Trump. Palmer Luckey, all in on Trump.
Steve Bannon, all in on Trump. Marc Andreessen, all in on
Trump. Elon, obviously.

(33:50):
Russell Vaught, Trump, JD Vance,Obviously Trump is Trump.
Who else we got here? Curtis Arvin's Trump.
Fucking Peter Teal was Trump. All those dudes were all in on.
Trump, they were all at the inauguration too, standing right
behind him and people noted. Is it interesting how all these
tech oligarchs are right behind Trump in a place where that they
usually don't stand there? Yeah, like it was.

(34:10):
Very. It was weird.
Bezos was there. Who else is there?
Zuckerberg was there. Zuckerberg was there.
Zuckerberg, Bezzos, Elon, Elon, and there were a couple others.
I think. I feel like I can't remember
what Peter Thiel was. I feel like I think Marc
Andreessen was, David Sachs was.And it was noted, people pointed
out that's kind of weird. All these tech guys are at the
inauguration right behind Trump.Yeah, I mean, man, I just wanted

(34:33):
to, it's like, I think a lot of these guys play the fence, like,
OK, I have to put my money behind the winning horse because
I need government contracts. Would you like some quotes?
Absolutely, Peter Thiel. I no longer believe that freedom
and democracy are compatible. Peter Thiel, If we want to
increase freedom, we want to increase the number of countries

(34:54):
division. Say that last part again.
If we want to increase freedom, we want to increase the number
of countries. Why?
What is that? The education of the average
American has become a fool's errand.
I agree. Curtis Yarvin.
Let's see. I've been coaching Peter Thiel.
He's fully enlightened, just plays it very carefully.

(35:15):
Curtis Yarvin is the big Dark Enlightenment guy.
He's the one who's behind that, the whole theory.
Let's go through here. Another one from Curtis Jarvan.
Democracy is dangerous, malignant form of government.
Elon Musk, a Republic of high status males, is best for

(35:36):
decision making. Well, yeah, well.
I mean, that's a fucking no brainer.
Nevermind, we'll strike that on the record.
I'm on board with that one. By the way, let's see.
I think it's a false dichotomy to look at government and
industry as separate. Government is the ultimate
corporation. Elon Musk.
Fucking wild dude. I hope I never run for president

(35:58):
or have a position of too much power because all the quotes
they would get on me. Man, fuck that guy.
They would have so many fucking terrible things.
But yeah, there's a particularlythe ones I can think of, like
just cause I've seen several interviews of them, Marc
Andreessen and Peter Thiel, Likethey are for sure, like they
don't hide their, shall we say, disdain for democracy.

(36:20):
It's pretty out in the open, andthey're the ones bankrolling it
right now, at least, BankrollingTrump and JD Vance all the way.
And now you'll Trump turn aroundthe next.
One that can fucking get their plan across.
But you got Trump giving giving Palantir all this money for
their mass surveillance system. Palantir is becoming the deep
state. A bunch of nerds, by the way,
did you know that that came fromLord of the Rings?
Yeah, and there's two more things that Peter Thiel.

(36:42):
If he's like, what? One day of the rings involved.
When you hear when you hear Peter Thiel talk about Palantir
like and what Palantir like I should.
I didn't know we were going to talk about this, but I had a ton
of notes on it because I'm doinglike a little.
We can do a bigger. Doing a micro dock on it.
Micro dock. I got to wait for it totally.
I got the motion graphics, but what Palantir actually is in the

(37:05):
the Tolkien books, it is what their company's doing.
It's by crystal ball thing, right?
Isn't that what it is? It's spooky that they chose that
name. I thought so too.
And by the way. He knows fully what it is and
what it does. It's.
Used by the bad guy. For evil.
In the movie, yeah, that's kind of the whole point.
I thought that was interesting. Which brings us back to this

(37:26):
Trump Elon thing. And in Elon's tweet about the
Epstein list, like some people are saying, oh, that's the next
play by dark MAGA to possibly replace Trump, get him
impeached. Obviously if he's on camera
fucking kids or something like that, he's not going to be
president. Anymore So it's you're not
saying because maybe I was misleading what you said that
you don't think that they're actually fighting and as
planned. So you don't think it's planned

(37:47):
between Elon and Trump, You think it's planned by an old
dark MAGA movement against Trump.
Gotcha. That's what I'm saying.
Gotcha. At least that's what the
conspiracy side of everything issaying.
I can't say no. It's not I do, I don't, I don't
know anymore. But I will say this about it.
When they first got together, weall knew it was going to end
like this. Yeah.

(38:09):
We all knew it was going to end like this.
Yeah. I mean.
It's unfortunate. Yeah, Mommy and daddy are
fighting. Now, dude, Jon Stewart played
something on that. Then, like in this monologue he
was talking about the riots in LA and the Elon Trump.
That was all mixed in there, buthe started playing like a
montage of all of these people, from politicians to news
anchors. They're all sitting there is

(38:29):
like, you know, it's an unfortunate time for a country.
You know, everybody needs to pull together and get along.
He says it like you think they were talking about the riots in
LA. They're talking about like
everyone has this dark somber thing about mommy and daddy
fighting like Jesus Christ people you.
Think he's really on that episode?
He's less than I do. I've always had a little

(38:49):
suspicion. He's on the plane.
He's in plenty of videos with Epstein.
He didn't know the guy. Like they were good.
Like apparently good friends. You know that Elon and Epstein
were also close. I did not know that.
Yeah, I was reading how Elon wasin Elon's brother or something
was introduced to his his wife by Epstein.
Epstein was involved in Elon's relationships.
Well, he's got to get involved with all the fucking rich

(39:11):
people, right? Well.
Yeah, I think, I think Epstein was absolutely an agent of
sorts. I think we need to do another
fucking micro dock on Epstein. Just stuff.
But anyway, so Trump, there's one interview, I don't know who
gave the interview or what network, but they were asking
him about him releasing. He's like, will you release the
JFK files? He's like yes, we released this

(39:33):
yes, already already done that. We released Epstein files.
He's like what? Yeah, yeah, I think I will you
know what he like yeah, I think I will saw that he's like yeah.
The thing with that is you don'twant to release it and then a
bunch of people that are innocent and like get hurt.
So like what the fuck are you talking about?
How about old Cash Patel on Rogan lately?
I got one for you, but you go first because I got one too.

(39:54):
What is that? Is that my A3?
I think so. OK.
I think we just did three. Hang on. 2A. 2A2 OK, here we go.
Why is the? FB actually.
So this is cash Patel, 2023 cashPatel versus 2025 cash Patel in
2025. This is from his Rogan
interview. I don't know what the interview
is from 2023 and I got, oh, it'son the Benny Johnson show, which

(40:18):
I think Benny Johnson's a tool, but I got this clip from
breaking points to breaking points is mine to put this
together. I just want to give them credit
here, but here I'll play it. Protecting the greatest pederist
the the largest scale pederist in human history.
Simple. Because of who's on that list,
you don't think that Bill Gates is lobbying Congress with night
and day to prevent the disclosure of that list?

(40:39):
And why is it that the Senate, you know, it's good for Senator
Blackburn to try to get it out, but then Dick Durbin comes over
the top and says, no, we're not going to release the names.
I don't care about the list itself.
But he released the names, right?
And. There's 2025.
We've reviewed all the information and the American
public is going to get as much as we can release.
He killed himself. Do you think let's play out the

(41:01):
logical conclusion of this? Do you think that myself, Bon
Gino and others would participate?
Do you think me, Bongino and allthe other, do you think we'd lie
to you? Do you?
I'm not done playing that yet, but like, do you think we'd lie
to you? Me.
As a matter of. Fact.
Yes. Yes, absolutely, Director Patel.

(41:23):
I mean I. Don't blame you because that's
your job now. You work for the government.
Your your job half the time is lie to me anyway.
But yes, I I think you would lieto me.
The fucking I don't know. I don't know you personally, so
I'm going to assume that you would lie to me.
The fucking nerve for that guy too.
And fucking believe it. Do you think we would lie to
you? Without a doubt, information
about Epstein's grotesque activities.
Or do you think we would also participate in not prosecuting

(41:47):
people? We had evidence. 100% prosecute
people on. Where's the videotape of a nip
scene, Island of XY and Z committing these frauds?
Why haven't you given it to us? Do you really think I wouldn't
give that to you? Where is it?
If it existed. It exists, I'm telling you it
does, and I have. Proof.
Where, where? Where is it?
Right, Because we know you have these.

(42:08):
We have drone footage of you gathering dozens and dozens of
boxes full of tapes and other evidence.
What do you mean where the whereis it?
Yeah, good fucking question. Where's the evidence?
What'd you do with it? What evidence, you say?
Yes, this narrative might not beaccurate that there's a video
player doing this. Exactly, there are.
Thousands of thousands. Videos.

(42:32):
Yeah, and it's all with little pins.
There are 10s of thousands. Of videos with exactly yes cash.
I think you'd lie to me. Of some guy committing felonies
on an island and I'm in charge. Don't you think you'd see it?

(42:52):
Wilson, be honest. No, I don't think I'd see it
because you'd fucking hide it from me.
Who put that clip together? I don't know, I saw it on
Instagram. That was good.
If you know who did it, shout out to.
You it was good great catch. So you got was that was that Bam
bam Bondi? And they're saying the exact
opposite thing, the exact. Opposite thing do find that when
if you find that try to repost it on Instagram.
So we give somebody credit for that.

(43:12):
That's a great catch. It was a great catch, yes.
Like oh, so are there 10s of thousands of videos or are there
no videos? We know their videos because
again, we saw the FBI fucking collect them and for some reason
NYPD was down there in Florida. Too.
So why is cash lying? Oh, do you think?
Are you kidding me? Do you think Cash Patel?
Do. You think me, Dan Bongino?

(43:34):
Fuck man, I I lie to everybody all the time.
It's not that hard. What was that?
What was that fucking comedian? He said it is.
Oh yeah, the. Greatest the government would
lie to you. Well, who's responsible?
Like he said, the government is responsible for everybody.
You think they lie to you? Like I had a charge of one
person and I lie to that motherfucker all the time.
I got a six year old at home. I lie to that motherfucker all

(43:55):
the time. Yes, Cash Patel, I think you'd
fucking lie to me. Absolutely dude.
That made. Me and you know what I don't I'm
sure that's some sort of fallacyComment below if you're a nerd
and know what kind of fallacy that is.
But like the whole appeal to. Do you really think I'd lie to
you? Like don't play on my fucking
emotions. Yes, I think you'd fucking.
Lie 100%. Absolutely.
What kind of St. cred do you think you've earned just because

(44:16):
you talked a lot of shit about the Biden administration?
Hey, join the fucking club. Yeah?
Doesn't buy you any fucking. So I don't know, is Trump in the
Epstein files? What do you think?
I kind of think so. I think he might be.
I wouldn't be. Surprised.
Well, at the very least, we knowhe's.
In there if if Epstein's whole job was to catch rich,

(44:39):
influential politician whatever people doing dirty things to
hold it over their head and years to come, why wouldn't
Donald Trump be in the Epstein? Fight again.
We know he was friends with me. We know they hung out.
So 100% he's in the files. To what extent and to what what
implications, I don't know, but he's in there.
So like, yeah, what? Cash Patel.

(45:00):
I know you watch our show. Dude, fucking release the files.
I. Wouldn't doubt that the FBI is
watching. Oh yeah fucking Palantir's got
AI watching right now. I believe that FBI is 1 of
Palantir's clients. I could believe that.
I know the CIA is SOCOM, Marine Corps, DHS.
Oh dude. And here's the thing, we've

(45:21):
we've been being surveilled for years.
I I still stand by if they're just going public with it now.
Edward Snowden told us that. Yeah, if they if they're just
going public with any sort of tech now they've had it for 30
years. You know what I mean with all
this AI shit coming out. And and Speaking of AII, do have
a small follow up from last week, but I'm going to press
this button. Just.

(45:48):
All these people in LA right nowand they're they're some people
are upset that the migrants are may or may not be.
This is not a political statement.
They're taking our jobs or whatever.
You want to know who is taking our jobs?
The fucking robots, John. Peter Thiel.
Check this out Moscow Metro. Has real use.
A digital cashiers that act likehumans.

(46:10):
Is that real? Yeah, well, she's not.
Real. No, I know, but I mean the whole
scene. I don't know anymore.
Is that a screen? Yes, that is a.
Screen. So it's not a robot, it's
screen, yes. Gotcha.
But it's an AI that takes your tickets and helps you set up
your route, and it looks like a real person.
You want to talk about people taking our jobs?
The computers are taking our. Jobs, That was a person that
used to do that job. Remember that one of these days,

(46:33):
dude. You think AI is going to take
our jobs? Yeah, one day.
Yeah, they'll send robots in. It's.
Just going to be harder because of the like the not just the
physical labor, but the decisionmaking that goes on while
there's physical labor. But it's a matter of time.
Absolutely. What would be really cool a.
Defensive fire, They could do itright now.
Yeah. What would be really cool,
though, is if, like, they had robots, but they gave us the VR

(46:55):
headsets. So like, we're still making the
decisions. What was that movie Pacific Rim?
Sure, that'd be tight. With the big robots, that's what
I want. And take some class and get
firefighting robot certified. I'm robot certified.
I got a cert, yeah. It's all about just another
class, another 2.1 ski or whatever dude.
Another 200 hour class, no big deal, I'm fucking.
Robot cert. What's another cert?

(47:17):
Add it to the list. That is, throw it in the pile.
Throw it in the pile. Why not?
How? How long we've been going?
We're at about 52 minutes. I did.
I have something else, but let'swrap.
We can save it for another. I have.
One small video for our weekly segment.
What do you got? Nothing serious, just want to

(47:39):
throw it out to our guy. Fire Department chronicles with
another funny video and I know all of you out there who are on
the job. This has happened to you?
How many times has this happenedto you?
The copy came in across A1 to the Delta side.
Hold Jay-Z. Jay-Z.
Hey, man. Kitty, you have to get out of
here. Why are you hanging like that,
bro? My freaking pack got caught in
this stupid seat with this parachute cord.

(48:01):
Oh, wow, that's crazy, man. Wait, what are you doing, man?
Want to go fight some fire? Bro, can you help me get out of
here first? Are you supposed to be on the
nozzle? Yeah.
Nope. Bro little bitch.
That fire we had a couple weeks ago over by the mall, I got
caught getting out because I wasso amped up and ready to do.
It was like, oh, we're pulling aline, dude, let's do it in my

(48:23):
headset. I jumped out and.
So we don't have packs in the truck, but yeah, like I'm not
taking my seat belt off. I had the headset on have.
You ever gotten dressed with your turn out?
Have you ever put your coat on with your seat belt?
Dude, I've got caught. In some ways I'm like, how did
this happen? And you have that small moment
of do I destroy department property and just.

(48:43):
I might put like part of my coaton, then put a seat belt clicked
in and then button my coat up over the seat belt so I'm happy.
Yeah, yeah, I've definitely hungmyself on the headset jumping
out of the truck. A couple many times for sure.
That's happened several times. Yeah.
You can relate. I'm in till next week.
I got I got a couple things for next week.
Yeah, I know you do. We'll have Steve next week.

(49:04):
Allegedly. Allegedly, but honestly, I mean,
come on. Who needs a guy, right?
Suck it, Steve. Suck it, Steve.
I'm out. Later.
Fairly tight. Dude, good show.
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.

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