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July 2, 2025 • 14 mins

This recap episode features Amjad Masad, an entrepreneur and founder of Replit, as they discuss a range of contemporary issues. They explore the benefits and drawbacks of technology, including AI's impact on employment, the nature of intelligence, and the pitfalls of social media. The conversation also touches on geopolitics, societal trends, and personal anecdotes, such as Masad's experiences with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict, his journey in programming, and his views on health and well-being. Ultimately, the dialogue examines the complex interplay between technological advancement, human nature, and global events.


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(00:00):
Welcome to the Joe Rogan recap, and before we get going, you can
now access the full Google Notebook with a mind map,
timeline and briefing document by clicking the link in the
description. Today we're embarking on a,
well, a really fascinating deep dive.
We're looking at a recent conversation that connects some
pretty unexpected dots. Things like, you know, video

(00:21):
gaming, AI advancements, health trends, even the nature of truth
and discipline. Right.
And it's all pulled from this really rich discussion with an
entrepreneur or someone with a unique perspective.
So our mission today really is to pull out the key Nuggets, the
important insights from all thismaterial.
Yeah, give you that shortcut. Exactly.

(00:41):
A shortcut to being, you know, well informed on a whole bunch
of different topics. Maybe see Connections you hadn't
thought of. Get those aha moments.
OK, let's jump right in with something that might challenge
some assumptions. Video games.
Sometimes you just think unproductive screen time, right?
Right. But the source talked about
professional gamers, their commitment.
Oh yeah, the sheer hours. 8 hours daily and the top pros

(01:04):
even more. I mean think about that kind of
dedication. That's like elite athlete level
focus. It really is, and what's
fascinating is the guests view on this.
He actually pushed back against the idea that games are bad,
especially for kids. Oh, interesting, How so?
Well, he credited games with helping him develop skills like
strategy. Reaction time said it made a big

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difference. He even mentioned his own kid,
four years old, playing a Nintendo Switch.
So he clearly sees a benefit there.
You know, it's just how you think about it.
And OK, get this the data on surgeons.
This part blew me away. Right, the study.
Study show surgeons who regularly play video games,
they're 37% less likely to make mistakes 37%.

(01:45):
It's incredible and faster too, wasn't it?
27% faster at completing tasks. I mean, seriously, if there was
a pill, some new drug that gave you those results.
Everyone would be taking it, absolutely.
But it's coming from video games, something many people
just dismiss. And it's not just surgeons.
Think about the military. They're actively recruiting
gamers now. For drone pilots, right?

(02:06):
Exactly because they have that intuitive feel for the
controllers. It's second nature.
They don't have to learn that interface, they already live.
It makes the transition way smoother.
You know, it also made me think gaming can almost be like a
gateway drug. Gateway drug to what?
To programming. Think about modding games,
wanting to tweak something, build a new level, change how it

(02:28):
works. Ah, right, that's pure coding
curiosity, isn't it? Problem solving?
Creating something new within that world.
Exactly, even if it just starts small.
OK, but let's let's pivot a bit because there's the other side
of digital life, right? The double edged sword
definitely. The source also talk about that
zombifying effect streaming TikTok just scrolling endlessly.

(02:51):
Mindlessly watching someone elselive life.
Yeah, it's this sort of dull drone of attention.
It holds you, but it doesn't really engage you, not deeply.
It reminded me so much of that David Foster Wallace essay about
television years ago. Oh, absolutely prescient stuff.
He talked about how TV taps intothis like voyeuristic thing in

(03:11):
US and it's negatively addictive.
Social media just cranked that volume way, way up.
It did. It's passive consumption on
hyperdrive. Yeah.
And you can contrast that, that passive scrolling with something
truly immersive. Yeah.
The source mentioned the Avatar ride at Disney World Flight of
Passage. The VR one, yeah.
Described it as just unbelievably engaging.

(03:32):
It takes over everything. You feel the wind, the sounds,
you're there. Totally different kind of
digital experience. That's a good point.
It demands your attention, doesn't just siphon it off,
right? Which then raises this kind of
uncomfortable question. Could that passive digital
habit, the scrolling zombie thing, could it actually be
worse for us than something like, say, an opium habit?

(03:54):
As provocative. Well, the guests mentioned
knowing people who you know maintain some function with an
opium habit, at least for a while.
It makes you wonder about the long term mental cost of just
observing, not doing. It's a heavy thought, but it
connects to this idea of intentional living.
Which leads us to another trend.This source has picked up on OK

(04:15):
alcohol consumption, or rather the decline of it.
Yeah, especially among younger people.
Exactly. Young people and also places
like Silicon Valley. The guest mentioned figures like
Huberman. The Grand Mufti of Silicon
Valley, he called him. Right.
Joking, obviously, but it pointsthis bigger health
consciousness. Mocktail parties are a thing

(04:37):
now. It's about optimization.
Yeah, I can actually speak to that personally.
I quit drinking over three months ago now.
Oh really? How's that been?
Honestly huge difference in fitness just eliminating those
bad days after a workout. You know especially as you get
older recovery takes longer. That alone worth it.
That makes sense. And it's not just booze, is it?
It's part of a bigger picture. The young people getting into

(05:00):
supplements, cold plunges, saunas, intermittent fasting.
It's all about optimizing the body, optimizing the brain,
performing better. Right, it connects to that
mindset they talked about. Conquer your inner bitch.
Yeah, that phrase stood out. Whether it's like getting into
that freezing cold water, which trust me is still a battle every
morning, or sticking to a reallyrestrictive diet, Keto

(05:22):
Carnivore. It's about discipline, mental
toughness. Yes, and the guest said
controlling his diet gives him the sense of ease.
Like amidst all the chaos of life, that's something he can
control and anchor. And that same discipline, that
same idea of being the boss of yourself, that's what you need
to overcome powerful addictions to.

(05:43):
Like his Quake addiction, he mentioned.
Exactly. He called it one of the
strongest addictions he'd ever faced.
He had to consciously decide, OK, I'm in charge here, just
like with the diet or the cold punch taking back control.
That self mastery, it really reflects his whole story,
doesn't it? Which started with tech mastery
way back. Yeah, his origin story is pretty
cool. Growing up in a man, Jordan.

(06:04):
It's an IBM PC in 1993. He's six years old. 6 and his
dad's teaching him MS-DOS from Emmanuel.
He watches, then tries it himself, secretly, that early
spark. From gaming, modding.
It turned into his life's mission, right?
That feeling of being able to make something.
Absolutely. And that mission is his company
now, Ruplet. Right, making programming

(06:24):
accessible. Basically, yeah, let the AI
handle the coding, the syntax, all that complex stuff.
You just focus on the idea, the logic, democratizing creation.
And the results they're seeing? Pretty incredible.
The anecdotes shared were amazing.
Like Joan Janey. Yeah, the entrepreneur who used
to spend hundreds of thousands on prototypes with Replit builds

(06:47):
an app in weeks, makes $180,000 almost immediately on track for
millions. Just like that or Ahmad George,
the operations manager. Builds an inventory tool for
$400.00. Saves his company thousands.
Makes a $32,000 sale himself. That's tangible impact.
Fast. It reminds me of 3D printing for
physical prototypes, like how Jack Dorsey used it for the

(07:08):
first Square reader. Good analogy.
Quick iteration for software. Exactly.
And it brings back that sort of hacker ethos that early
computers had, which, you know, iPhones and modern tech kind of
lost that invitation to build. So what about the big fear AI
taking jobs? How did the source address that?
Well, the argument was that fundamental knowledge like a
mechanic understanding engines is always valuable, but AI

(07:33):
through tools like Rupplett actually helps you learn by
doing again. How so?
Because you can see the code Ripplett generates, you can read
it, ask the AI, hey, explain this part to me.
It's a very hands on way to learn and adapt.
That's powerful and the vision is huge.
They've partnered with Saudi Arabia.
Yeah, aiming to teach the whole population AI powered software
creation. Imagine that.

(07:55):
Faster in creativity? Upgrading government, Boosting
entrepreneurship, trying to build a more dynamic society
from the ground up. So the guest's future view is
pretty positive then, Not dystopian AI takeover.
Quite optimistic, yeah. He thinks everyone's going to
become an entrepreneur, not relying on Ubi, but driving
growth through individual creation.
Interesting contrast to common narratives.

(08:16):
But we should also touch on AI'slimits, right?
It's not magic, yet it's described as a massive remixing
machine, great at rearranging existing stuff but struggles
with like, true novelty, real leaps and understanding.
Like going from classical physics to quantum mechanics.
Exactly that kind of paradigm shift seems beyond current AI.

(08:36):
It raises questions about what makes human thinking unique.
People like Roger Penrose talk about non computable stuff.
Godel's theorem. Maybe there's something
fundamentally different about our consciousness.
And the race to push those AI boundaries, it's led to this
crazy talent war. Oh yeah, billions being spent by
Meta, Google, Open AI offering $100 million bonuses just to

(08:57):
keep researchers shows you how high the stakes are.
Human insight is still the key ingredient.
OK, let's shift gears again. The conversation also went into
some pretty sensitive territory.Politically charged stuff.
It did. The guest shared his family's
history. Palestinian refugees from the
1948 Nakba. The catastrophe, Yeah, Expelled
during Israel's creation. Right.

(09:18):
He talked about the ongoing situation in Gaza, emphasizing
how crucial it is to acknowledgethat history.
His own father's family forced out at gunpoint if there's ever
going to be peace. Pointing out that 70% of Gazans
today are refugees from that time.
And discussing that openly, it'sfraud, isn't it?
He mentioned being called anti-Semitic just for

(09:39):
criticizing Israel's actions. Yeah, it highlights how
difficult open dialogue can be on these issues.
Strong resistance often shuts itdown.
So how does this relate to free speech in tech?
Well, the guest actually credited Elon Musk buying
Twitter or X with significantly rolling back what he called free
speech suppression, the woke period.

(09:59):
He saw it as a major shift, allowing tougher subjects back
into the public square. But Even so, there are still
issues. He mentioned pushback against
certain voices on campus. Correct.
Targeting migrant workers, Palestinian students critical of
Israel. He linked it to a longer history
of anti colonial activism on US campuses facing resistance.
It feels that these tensions arealways simmering and.
This connects to a broader critique the guest had about

(10:20):
government itself. Calling it an incompetent
monopoly, yeah. Arguing that things that would
land you in jail and business, like major fraud, citing the
doge crypto example are almost standard in government
operations. So his solution is.
Keep talented people in the freemarket.
Government should just get out of the way of innovation.
Let people build. Which sounds good, but then you

(10:41):
look at the data. Fewer new companies starting in
the US, More consolidation. Right conglomerates, even
monopsony like BlackRock owning stakes and competing companies
reducing real competition. It makes the market less
dynamic. So tools like Replet become even
more important than empowering the individual entrepreneur
against those big forces. Exactly.

(11:02):
It's a counter trend. And Speaking of decay, social
media itself. The bot.
Problem. Huge problem.
He cited an estimate of 80% botson Twitter and it shifted from
like state actors to just individual hackers flooding the
zone. So where do people get reliable
info? Interesting idea.
Group chats Smaller, more curated, trusted circles
becoming the new interface for news and discussion.

(11:24):
That actually rings true for me.I find I trust mainstream media
less and less, feel like I've been lied to so I end up on
platforms like X for breaking stuff or sub stack for
journalists I feel are more ethical.
It's a search for authenticity, though the gets also pointed
out, let's be real, bullshit in journalism isn't exactly new.

(11:44):
Watergate might have involved Intel agents, not just
reporters. Right, history isn't always
clean. But the really dangerous thing
he highlighted was malinformation.
Which is. Factual truth that's deemed
harmful to the public good. Basically treating adults like
kids who can't handle inconvenient facts.
The state deciding what reality you're allowed to know.

(12:05):
That's scary. Definitely.
OK, so we've covered tech, society, politics.
Let's loop back to the individual intelligence beyond
just book smarts. Right, managing your emotions as
a form of intelligence. He connected it to physical
disciplines, jujitsu, weightlifting, and that cold
plunge again, conquering the inner bitch.
It's mental. It's entirely mental, and that
connects to the idea of psychosomatic pain.

(12:26):
John Sarno stuff. Exactly, the mind creating
physical pain to distract from emotional pain.
Think about how certain chronic issues seem to come in waves.
Ulcers. RSI, often mirroring what
society is focusing on, suggestsa strong psychological link.
And neuroscience backs this upright The salience network.

(12:46):
Whatever you focus on, the brainamplifies.
So obsessing over pain, over health worries literally makes
it worse, strengthens that neural pathway.
So sometimes ignoring it is the best medicine.
Paradoxically, yeah. For your brain at least, it
breaks the feedback loop. Wild.
And then it got even broader mind and reality itself.
Mentioning psychedelics, maybe giving glimpses of a universal

(13:09):
consciousness, questioning if our perceived reality is the
actual reality, that deep mysterious connection.
And his personal stories really hammered home that power of mind
over matter hacking stories. Incredible, right?
Hacking his university grades using polyphasic sleep 15
minutes every four hours. And they hire him to fix their
security. You couldn't make it up.
And then later hacking them again during his defense on

(13:31):
purpose as a sanctioned project.Putting the Deans password up on
the screen. Audacious, pure mental force.
Shows what determination and focused intelligence can
achieve. Wow, OK, we have covered a ton
of ground here. Seriously.
Deep dive gaming benefits, AI's future.
Truth, Media Decay. Health Trends.

(13:53):
The power of the Mind. It really spanned a huge range,
but I think the connecting thread, the core message maybe
is about agency. Agency.
Yeah, in this world filled with noise and change, the ability to
build things, to create, to understand yourself and the
world, even the difficult parts,that's what's crucial,
empowering yourself. Makes sense?
Taking control, whether it's your health, your skills or the

(14:14):
information you consume. Exactly, navigating complexity
and trying to contribute something.
So maybe the final thought for you listening is this.
What's an area you could deep dive into?
Something seemingly unrelated. How might understanding that
unlock something new in your ownlife?
Some unexpected insight or skill?
What new knowledge pill will youtake?
Right. And hey, if you're feeling

(14:35):
inspired to build something yourself after hearing all this,
check out the guest company replet at replet.com, REPLET dot
dot com. Go make some apps.
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