Episode 21: Pixel People Album Talk: Def Leppard Hysteria

In this episode Greg, Jan and Chris discuss the monster 1987 album "Def Leppard: Hysteria". We talk about the making of it, the trials and tribulations involved in it's creation and we do a song by song discussion on it.

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Episode Transcript

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Yeah, you know, they they put that other arm up on eBay.
I bid on it, but I didn't bet enough.
Oh. Oh, crap.
Hey. Hey, everyone, welcome the Pixel
People pod. I'm your host, Greg.
Say hello, Jim. Hello, Jan.
And say hello, Chris. I would say, hey, hello, Chris.
But Jan always does that same joke.
So hello. Yeah.

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Welcome to another exciting episode of the Pixel People pod.
This week it is on. It's our first from now on
monthly episodes of a 80s album.We take an 80s album, you know,
big 80s album. We break it down, talk about it,
go over song by song, see why itwas so big or why it failed.
But this one is obviously one that is did not fail.

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Yeah, Def Leppard Hysteria. But before we get into the
album, as always, we have jazz. Gnarly news.
Here we go, Jazz. News Jazz.
News it is with that news, Jan. Here's the January 19th, 1980

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something gnarly news. January 19th, 1980 Rock with You
by Michael Jackson reach #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart.
What was the one last week? The Michael Jackson song.
You honestly think I remember a week ago?
I think it was Rock with You. It was a Michael Jackson song.
You remember that, Chris, because we talked about how big
Out the Wall was. Yeah.

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And it wouldn't surprise me if every episode we do the number
one song of that week is a Michael Jackson song.
Yeah. Or Bruce Beanson January 19th,
1980, Pink Floyd's The Wall started a 15 week run at #1.
You deserved it. That's a great album.
Well, Chris, are you? You're not a huge Pink Floyd fan
though, are you? I like them.

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They're not. I mean, they're not in my top
five bands of all time or anything like that.
But yeah, I do enjoy it sometimes.
That album, That is a great album.
It's not my favorite Pink Floyd,dark side of my favorite, but
that one, if you took all the best songs on that one and put
it together, it'd be one of likethe greatest album maybe ever.
But it's got his little filler stuff he puts in there.
Oh, woe is me. I'm, I'm, you know, Roger

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Waters. Oh Boo Hoo my.
Dad died. That was their. 3rd US #1.
Their which one? Their third US #1 so.
What would have been the other ones?
Probably dark side of the moon. Probably animals.
Dark side of the Moon. 'S only one I Oh no, I bet you
it was. Wish you were here.
I don't think animals is as big as.
Wish you it's sold over 30 million copies, Yeah.
It but. There's a better There's a

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better Wish You Were Here song out there in the world, but I
won't. I won't be going to that boy.
Yeah. It's the second best selling LP
in their catalog. You know what's?
Behind dark Side. It sold, you say, 30 million.
30. Million.
It really only sold 15. Why is that?
Because they count double albumseach disc.
Like each album back then. If you saw the double album, it
counted twice. So if it's sold 50, it's still

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huge, but you got credit for double.
Well, you also have to, well youalso have to look at selling
15,000,000 back then with you physically having to go to the
store and buy it. You can't download it and stuff
like that makes all those records just not, you can't
compare them. I don't believe them.
They're just records that are. Real anything anymore too that

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now Billboard, the way they count, they they count the there
is still people that buy physical actually more vinyl now
than anything else. But then they take they add the
streaming stuff in to get it nowit's not a you know, they've not
figured out yet how to really tell your true album sales album
plays now yet. But back then, though, we were
talking about that coming home today, Jane and I went antiquing

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for 80 stuff. Thanks for the invite.
So you know. Right by your house.
Back then, you do you hear thesealbums sell like 30 million, You
know, this album sold 30 millioncopies.
Yeah, but they sold the same album like 4 times to the same
person. Because back then, you know, if
you want an album, you get the vinyl and then several years
later you get your first car andyou're like, well, I need it on

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cassette. So you buy don't cassette.
Your cassette gets chewed up by your tape player.
Then it's 1992 or something you're like, I gotta get it on
CD. So you know that a lot of those
albums from the the 70 even throw 8 tracks in on some of
that. You know, some of the albums
that came out in the 70s that are still sold up to the 90s got
sold four times. The same people sometimes, you
know, thanks to streaming, they don't have that.
That's where these guys are losing their money because, you

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know, streaming, you're not buying that, you're just
streaming it. That's why you make so much torn
now compared to properly back then. $70.00 to sit on the grass
to see Iron Maiden and Megadeth this summer, right?
It's really, you know, 2 bands. It's 35A piece if you want.
January 19th and 19816 released their 10th studio album,

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Paradise Theater, which is actually their most commercially
successful album. Really peaked at #1 for three
weeks. It was bigger than Mr. Roboto.
It was, you know, the songs thatare on that album.
No, I didn't write that. Down.
I wonder if that one had a blue collar man on it.
It was their 4th consecutive album that certified triple
platinum. That's a I'm not a huge stick

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fan sticks fan, but the ones I like I really like And of course
blue collar. Man I love that song but.
They're they tour every summer now.
They're doing a tour this summercalled the Windy City Tour in
Chicago in them. Yeah, you can get tickets on
Groupon for like 20 bucks to sitin the grass.
Yeah. Great show.
They are great live. Yeah, I've seen them three Times
Now. I.
Saw like 15 years ago and they were still good and I mean I saw

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Tommy Shaw. He's.
He still sounds just like he always did.
Yeah, He's not lost anything. Yeah, he has not lost anything.
Well, that song, that album, Paradise, Yeah.
Is Paradise on my hand or Paradise Theater?
Yeah, that had too much time on my hands.
The best of times. Those are like the two super,
super big ones, but yeah. Too Much Time on My Hands is a

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great song. Yeah, unreal.
I bought a just to throw this inthere.
I bought a $250 base synthesizerpedal when I was still in the
band because we started practicing too much time on my
hand one night. This is right for COVID hit and
the little opening parts like the keyboard.
You know that like that, I thought I'll play that on bass.
So I started researching pedals and found this synth cork

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synthesizer bass pedal, 250 bucks, ordered it, shipped it
and then COVID hit and we never played that song again.
And I was going to play that opening part on my using my
synthesizer pedal. And I never said it's.
Plugged in for me. Yeah, it's plugged in right now
at church. I play bass in the church about
now, and I have it plugged in upright.
Every now and then I'll write for church.
I'll play around with it, tryingto get a weird sound out of it.
I thought this was leading to you playing it for the podcast.

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No, I can't afford this shit. I can't.
They ain't paying them copyright, all of them.
That stuff's expensive. Come on, we can get you out a
couple 100,000. You can't even.
See that 22nd intervals. Yeah, maybe I've read even that
thing. Get you though, We just talk
about music. We don't.
See, we should do that. We should do that.
So then it blows up and become like mega famous.
Like that's the podcast. How about you do it on your

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podcast 1st and we see how it goes?
Put on additional box the box top pod where we'll do it.
I'm down. We'll do live music.
OK, let's go. All right.
All right, y'all are going to love this next one.
Born January 19th, 1982 Jody Sweeten I.
Don't know. Wait a minute.
She. Was from Full House.
Full House. Yeah, Yeah.
The Tiffany Tanner, Yeah. No, I thought it was the Yeah, I

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got you. Okay, Yeah.
Yeah, January 19th, 1982 Joan Jett and the Black Hearts
released the single. I love Rock and.
Roll. I have that on 45.
One of the biggest rock anthems of the 1980s.
Loved that song, played it constantly, had it on 45, we'll
listen to it constantly and now.We skip it every.
Time it comes on because I've heard that song way too much.

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We're going to talk about that coming up here in a minute too.
We'll get more in depth in this podcast.
Really. On that song.
About you skipping songs. Oh yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, do you guys remember this one?
January 19th, 1983, Apple unveiled their Lisa computer.
No, I do. Not know of that.
One of the first personal personal computers with a

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graphical user interface. It was supposed to be.
Groundbreaking for professionalsand it introduced windows and
icons and drop down menus and a mouse and it failed miserably.
Yeah, I don't remember that. Because it was a failure.
Well, it was also, you know, before I was in the computer, if
we had like 1 computer, what year was that again?
1983. Yeah, that would have been we.

(08:25):
Were. 11 I was probably 5th grade at Bannock at elementary
school and I don't think we had a computer there yet.
It was middle school, like I think 8th grade before we had
our first computer in the school.
January 19th, 1985 Reba McEntiresong How Blue reached number one
on the country singles. I couldn't tell you one, Reba
McEntire. I know Reba McEntire, I know she

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was big, but if you play one of her songs to me right now, I
couldn't tell you if. It was.
Come on, she's redhead. I know you have every song
memorized. No, I don't know.
I really don't know. Do you need read McIntyre songs
Chris? Fortunately, I know one.
I can't tell you the name of it,but I know one.
I think it's called fancy or something like that but but
she's huge but I don't remember.Her music, I mean, it's.

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She's just not my Yeah, I think.I know her more as an actress
than I do a singer and. Yeah, probably.
January 19th, 1985 foreigner went #1 on the UK singles charts
with I want to know what love. I love that song.
I don't care. What is the song?
I want to know what love is. Oh yeah.
That. Song I want you to show me.
When they get that, the chorus with the the choir singing and

(09:30):
all that stuff when I was a kid,there's something about that
song that's so epic. It's one of the songs.
That's just like, it's relaxing.So well done and so over the top
and great. It's like, yeah, that that song.
I still listen to it, you know. Yeah, it's a great song.
Foreigner was so good. I'm glad.
I'm glad they finally got in theRock and Roll Hall of Fame.
They deserved it, you know they.Got Yeah, we saw.
Them a long. Time yeah, I saw Foreigner and
Sticks together in concert that was really good I.

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I tell you the sad thing I saw foreigner back in like 98
opening for Journey. Me and my cousin Wes and Lou
Graham was still singing for him, but this is right when he
started having health problems and he could not hit any high
notes but instead of like singing them low to cover for
it, he was still trying to sing like Lou Graham from 8088
instead of 98. And it was bad.

(10:12):
And I was like this, this is notgood.
And and then Journey came out and they had Steve Aguilario
singing for him then who looked like Joe Perry and sang like
him. And we stuck to about half of it
but he's kind of tired and left.And then years later I saw
Foreigner again with I forget the guy's name that sung for
him. He just retired, but he was
really good. Kelly Hansen.
He was the old singer hair band Hurricane, but they he was

(10:34):
really good and Journey, I mean Foreigner was really good and I
know it was, you know, just MickJones on guitar and him, but
they were really good the secondtime I saw him.
And I'm yeah, that's what. Graham, though, he had a lot of
health problems. Yeah, that was the guy that was
singing for him. When we saw them in sticks
together. He was great.
He just retired to have another guy now, yeah.
Yeah, keep on going, babies. Yeah.
January 19th, 1985 George Strait's fourth studio album,

(10:58):
Does Fort Worth Ever Cross Your Mind?
Became the second number one album of his career.
George Strait's all over this thing.
The last. Couple I know, but he's that.
George baby. Yeah.
Again, I think I know like two of his songs.
The guy's huge, but I just don'tknow his music.
But I respect him. He's got great songs, not great
live. Yeah.
Oh, really? Well, don't see that around my
knees. She just stands there.

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She just stands there. That's country music, though
you're not supposed. To all you do in country music,
Yeah. You don't expect to like see
both sevis running around, do you?
And. He's lucky enough to be able to
sit on a stool nowadays. Both secrets.
January 19th, 1985 Chris, you'regonna love this one.
OK, good. Bruce Springsteen.
He topped the US albums chart with Born in the USA.

(11:43):
Crap album. I did like that song.
Though I did too. I'm pretty sure I have that,
that record here, down here, thevinyl somewhere.
I had it as a kid or maybe Scotty had it.
My brother had it, but we had it.
So I always. Thought that was a dumb album
cover. I remember liking some of the
songs but I just thought that album cover just stupid.
Him with this, you know back pocket with the Kim pretended to

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be Mr. Everman. I'm probably losing some fans
here, but as we've said before, not a fan.
Not a fame. January 19th, 1985 REO
Speedwagon debuted at #46 on thecharts with their single Can't
Fight This Feeling. Yeah, what the number 1 I think.
It did eventually. January 19th, 1986 The first

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MS-DOS virus is unleashed. Oh, great.
Yeah. It is a floppy disk boot sector
virus known as Brain. It was written by two Pakistani
brothers. They claimed it was intended to
protect their copyrighted medical software from piracy.
We wouldn't shock. Me, those two guys are still in

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business. Dawson I learned on Daws back in
the early 90s, so I had to learnon for computer programming.
Released January 19th, 1986. Rock Me, Amadeus.
That was a good song. As long as it's the the English
singing and not the German version.
I can't. Take is it is that the Taco guy
did that was that. Taco Taco was the Falco.

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Yeah, Taco was putting on the ribs, wasn't.
It OK, yeah. Yeah, Falco did the Yeah, and
it's, you know, they had the, you know, they give the whole
Amadeus timeline, like the history of the spoken word on
it. That's a weird song, but it was
fun to listen to. I.
Didn't mind it. All right, this next one is just
for me and me only. January 19th, 1987, MTV aired
the premiere episode of Headbangers Ball.

(13:26):
Yep, that was one of the best shows they have.
Why is that just you only? Because Greg didn't get to watch
it, I. Didn't have cable yet.
Oh, I had. I watched that.
She didn't have cable. Yeah, you were a rich kid,
Chris. She didn't have cable either,
but she had a boyfriend that hadit.
Yes. So, but I would go over and I
would have my cousin Wesley record it sometimes for me.
But I would also watch having recorded your own TV raps.

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Were you watching that jam? Absolutely not.
The two refs was good. Nope, did not watch that one.
Not my cup of tea. January 19th, 1987 Lou Graham
released his debut solo album, Ready or Not.
It was a commercial success. Midnight Blue was on that.
Right. It generated 2 hit songs.
Midnight Blue peaked at #5 and #2 single Ready or Not which

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reached number 54. I don't.
Remember that one on the mid? Board 100 that.
Was a That was a rocker. That was a good song.
Yeah, I'm singing up my head right now.
You know, shows you how life is fleeting and how things happen
because, you know, Foreigner wasstill huge then.
And he puts out that album thinking I'm going to be this
big solo guy and I'll be like Phil Collins or staying and hit

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that one album. And then he got sick and lost
his spot in Foreigner. And then just for years now he's
played like, you know, on tours where he's like the second guy
on there or something. It's like, you know, you really
enjoy it while you can, especially when you're in music
or or acting like that, because go away real.
Fast. Yep, enjoy the Now this next one
I'll be interested to know if you guys listen to this one or

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had the album and I'm going to go with probably not.
January 19th, 1987 Prince released the first album from
his mysterious jazz fusion side project Madhouse titled 8.
Nope. Nope.
I was big into jazz back then. No, I don't know.
I don't think I've ever never knew it existed.

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Although he would be a good jazzartist, I think he was.
He could do anything so. Was he the symbol at that time
or was he still Prince? 87 He was still Prince.
I don't know when he changed hisYeah.
Because 89 he. Was for.
The Batman stuff, I know that. Oh yeah, yeah, that's right.
Prince did a bat dance, not symbol.
That's true. January 19th, 1988 Bon Jovi and

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Mötley Crüe manager Doc McGee pleaded guilty to importing more
than 40,000 lbs of marijuana into the US from Colombia via a
shrimp boat. That was a big deal.
And it's funny because this is what happens when you're the
manager of Mötley Crüe and and Bon Jovi or you're Chris or
Janet Greg, because he got busted for basically trafficking

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drugs. And he got out of it by saying,
I'll tell you what, I'll have, oh, my guys play a concert.
And so they had, it was in Russia, wasn't it?
The thing is, the Russian concert, I think they went to
Russia and played like a peace concert in Russia.
It was his Make a Difference foundation.
Yeah, I think I know White Snakeplayed over there and I think
Metallica played it and everybody played that concert to
get him basically keep from going to prison.

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So you know, next time you get picked up for anything illegal.
So I'll play a show for you if you let me off.
I'll start this nonprofit for you with the money I just made
from selling these he's. Also kisses manager now he's,
you know, he's managed them for the last 30 years.
Were either of you Taylor Dane fans?
Yeah, I liked her hits. January 19th, 1988, Chris.
Released Daniak back in high school I.

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Was I had like a shirt? Post it on the wall.
She released her album Tell it to My Heart.
That's a good song. January 19th, 198848 Hours
premiered on CBS. Oh, the TV show.
The TV show. Oh, I was. 1988.
That's still going on, isn't it?Yeah.
It's one of the longest lasting investigative true crime shows

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on TV. And there you have Jan's gnarly
news. Oh.
Gnarly good news, Jan Way to be on it right there.
You're the most trusted news source in America these days.
I sure am. I should get paid more.
When do you get your White Housepress pass to go, actually?
I could get it anytime I want itif I.
Want it? She got.
She got her haircut last week like Rachel Maddow, though, so

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that's oh. Yeah.
Have you not seen it, Chris? No, that's that's what everybody
strives to be. Yeah.
So anyway, that brings us we're not going to do.
I thought about doing a what does this cost?
But I actually thought, I'll tell you what's funny.
I thought about throwing one together real fast because I
thought, let's do one. What did ACD cost back then
versus what it cost today? But actually I think they're

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about the same price because back then you pay for ACD in the
late 80s or 90s would be like 15bucks.
And if you order ACD now off Amazon or something off a new
album, they're about 15 bucks. They haven't gone up like, you
know, but that's because they were so overpriced back then.
All that music was was overpriced.
If you that'll. Be it wasn't if you liked it.
Yeah, that'll be another episodeone day.
But Metallic approved that when they fought for a new record

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contracting and got the highest amount of money any artist ever
got per album sale. They were getting a dollar per
album sale when they redid theircontract in the early 90s.
And think about that. You're paying $15.00 for CD.
And they were the highest paid artist for that.
They got a dollar off every album sold.
Most bands got like 2530 cents. So you know when you're thinking
like, hey, sold 10 million copies.

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Yeah, but the band didn't see it, Your record label did.
So it's it's not a great time for the big bands now that the
tour constantly make their money.
But as a musician now these days, it's a great time to be
alive because you can actually record your own album, you know,
put it out, promote yourself andnot have to have the middleman
in between it. So off my soapbox.
OK, as a retired musician, so never could make a retired,

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never could make it musician. You did it for the love, not
the. Money and the chicks got me a
wife, and the chicks got me a wife.
For free. All right, so this week we're
talking about Def Leppard Hysteria, and Jan did the
research this week and she's going to lead us off and tell us
about this album. Well, it was the the 4th studio
album by this English rock band was released in August 1987 by

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Mercury Records. It was the follow up of their
1983 breakthrough Pyromania, which is also a great album.
Yeah, now it's good as Hydra, but it's good.
They had three great albums back, I mean, in a row there.
Why would you say hydra, Pyromania and then hysteria?
Yeah, I think that's three. That's three almost perfect

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albums in a row. What's the album before high and
dry? Isn't it the one with the truck
on it? Hold on, I don't through the.
Night. Jan knew it.
I don't do the night. Oh yeah, Jan knows her Def
Leppard. She's she's a big Def Leppard
fan. So all.
Right. And did you guys realize that
they actually published a book titled Animal Instinct, The Def
Leppard Story on the recording process of this album?

(20:01):
No, but that would be interesting and, and I keep
telling you Jan, we're going to watch it sometime.
Metallica, they're black album, they did the same thing.
It took them like 2 years to record it and they put cameras
in there, recorded the whole thing and they have like an hour
and a half documentary on it. And I imagine watching the
Metallica people do it, it was what it was like with Mutt Lange
and Def Leppard in the studio doing this album.

(20:22):
Because they just went to three or four different studios.
They tried every music instrument they could think of,
all this stuff. I mean, it was a chore.
And there's this little go ahead.
No, go ahead. There's a little documentary out
called The Making of Pump that Aerosmith did before Metallica
did it that shows the making of that album from beginning to
end. That's a great too.

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Just throwing that in there. You had to throw Aerosmith in
there. I didn't.
Yeah, that's right. He always.
Does Rolling Stones there? I've talked to everybody.
Great White. The Beatles.
So I've talked to you. Those are them all.
Beatles messed up rock'n'roll. Chuck Berry.
Yeah, yeah, Jan's dad says The Beatles ruined rock'n'roll.
He's not a Beatles fan. Yeah, we don't play Beatles.

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Around him, yeah. So The Beatles are another topic
for another podcast. The Hysteria album lasted 62
minutes and 32 seconds, which istheir longest studio album to
date. I know you got a whole list of
stuff right here, but tell them how long it took them to make
that album. It took over three years to
make. It was plagued by delays from

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the get go. One of the delays, which was
huge, was the aftermath of theirdrummer, Rick Allen, getting in
an automobile accident that costhim his left arm.
He lost his arm. He lost his arm.
It's. The first time hearing.
Him. He's a one arm drummer, yeah.
He's the greatest drummer in theworld.
I. Mean period.

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You know, I think said this before, but I mean, you could
argue he's not the greatest drummer, but he kind of is
because he does it with one arm.That's.
What I'm saying, he does it withone arm.
He's the I mean, I don't think he's the greatest drummer in the
world. I just think that he's what he
went through and adapted and overcame to continue playing and
what he did makes him one of thegreatest.

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Like 10 episodes ago where we talked about this before and
talked about that. I'll say it again now since
we're talking about definite effort.
This band will forever have my respect because when that guy
lost his arm, they could have said, all right, you know, we're
going to get a new drummer. We'll let you, you know, partake
in songwriting stuff. We'll keep you somehow in the
band, but we have to have a new drummer.
And they didn't. They're like, you're our
brother. We're going to, we'll figure it

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out. And they did.
And he's still towards this day.It's like, you know, they bands
have thrown people out for way less than losing your arm.
And they're like, no man. You know, so that was a huge
part of why this took three years to make.
They also went through three producers, 3 Studios, another
car crash by producer Mutt Lange.

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They went through a case of the Mumps by singer Joe Elliott and
that's that's why it took three years.
The Case of Booze by Steve Clark, the guitar player.
The guy left his alcohol. This was their third and final
album to be produced by Muttling.
He started with them during this, kind of got fed up and

(23:10):
went on to another project, so they got another producer.
Who's united Twain it. Might have been.
That was a project. Oh, that was his other, That was
his wife. I get it.
Yeah, that was his project. What was she then, 12?
No, she's. About the same age as they.
Were she just wasn't big I was thinking she was younger than.
That Yeah, no, she's like 60 now, so.
The title of the album is said to have been conceived by Rick

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Allen, referring to his whole car accident and the amputation
of his arm and the crazy media frenzy that surrounded all that,
the hysteria, which makes sense to me.
And it also was the last album to feature guitarist Steve Clark
before he died in 1991. The.
Guy was talented but he just could not stop drinking.

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Like, you know, some guys just can't.
He had some songs to appear on later albums that he had already
Co written. Yeah, Def Leppard.
You know, if you go see Def Leppard now, that's you seem
like the band has been together a long time, but they've only
lost two members. And one of them was Pete Willis,
their original guitar player whoplayed with Clark.
And he left and Phil Collins took over, and then Steve Clark

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died and he got replaced by Vivian Campbell, who's the best
guitar player ever. Wasn't that band.
But, and he's, you know, he was Diaz guitar player and now he
plays rhythm guitar for Def Leppard.
It's crazy. But you know, they've stuck
together. You know, if it wasn't for him
dying, you'd still be seeing thesame man today.
They've stuck together. And I think what makes this

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album that much more over the top is that when it first came
out, the sales had kind of stalled, but it became a
worldwide commercial success andit reached number one in the US
and the UK, but it remained on those charts for over three
years, which is phenomenal. They won't.

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They would not do that now. They wouldn't do that 10 years
from from then. They wouldn't let you let a
album slow build like that if itdidn't hit right.
The Bat, Appetite for Destruction, Guns and Roses,
almost a year, I think it was out and they didn't do anything.
And finally one of the singles took so, you know, they just
kept saying this is going to make it.
You know, that's what this albumwas and it didn't hit big route
to start. It's Def Leppards best selling
album to date, selling over 25.3million copies worldwide,

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including 12 million in the US. It spawned seven hit singles and
remains one of the best selling albums of all time, and in
contrast, the 1993 album Power Mania sold 10 million copies.
I know Chris probably knows this, but anybody it's not
that's doesn't know a lot of stuff about the charts.
You, you know, if you set up here's where somebody goes

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platinum, you go gold, that means you sold 500,000 copies.
You know, you want to go gold, you go platinum.
You know, that's like we went platinum.
That is what you Spire for, to go platinum.
But there's another one above platinum called Diamond status
and that's when you gone double digit platinum, which and you go
over 10 million copies or more. I think there's I mean, there's
a 20 or 30 albums ever, but maybe that that many, maybe

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less. But this one, you have an album
that goes diamond your cement, and it's like, you know, this is
historical. You know, there's only three.
I saw this on something on the other day.
There's only three singles. Just the singles to ever go
double diamond in the whole history of music.
You know, 1 is a Bruno Mars song, 1 is something else, and
the last one to do it was Chris Staples cover of David Allen

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Coe's Tennessee Whiskey. Really the first country I was
going. To say I don't doubt that one
bit because every time we play out, the band play Tennessee
Whiskey. We played a show one time where
we took a break after our first set and they're playing the
jukebox and stuff and they're playing the music.
I think Chris Stapleton's TinskyWhiskey comes on and people

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start dancing that song over thethe jukebox playing.
So they hear it, they hear the actual song.
We come back, start playing, we got 2 songs and play Tennessee
whiskey like you just heard the actual song.
You know we're not going to playit.
Yeah. Yeah.
There's just certain songs that yeah, we play Free Bird Yeah.
I mean, but there's certain songs where, you know, people
would yell out to play and even if we knew it, you get a

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certain. I'm going to tell you right now,
people you got watch a bar band play or you know anybody local,
they have a disdain for their audience because we did not Not
all of you. We're glad you come out, but
some of you, some of you drunks that think you're being cute and
requesting these songs are coming up and, you know, trying
to it just the band hates you. OK, so.
And This is why Greg is a retired.

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Musician, when you come up and there's like, you know, for the
50th time that night, play that David Allen Coe song.
If you don't even know the name of the song, we're not going to
play it. And we could have played it many
times, you know, but no, we're not going to.
Yeah. And right now, while we're
talking about this this album, I've got the Def Leppard
playlist on YouTube right now, playing the videos while we

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talk. So Chris did.
Did you have this album back then?
Oh yeah, absolutely. I think I had a copy.
I think we would share me, my friends would.
If somebody got an album, they'd, you know, give them a
blank cassette the next day. They'd bring it for you to.
Record. Oh, yeah.
I had tons of albums when I was younger.
I don't have them now, but I hadthis, I had a pyromania, you
know, those are like and then what?

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High and dry. That was the other one.
I had all three of those. But yeah, it was great.
I mean, and I was listening to it today, riding back from
Lincoln. Yeah.
And it, it's it's just a phenomenal album.
The end of the end. I think the first Def Leppard
album I actually paid money for it was in the mid 90s.
I bought their greatest hits CD.How?
Dare. You and listen to it and I

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remember thinking then when I would buy like greatest hits
albums of certain bands like that, I remember listen to it
thinking like man, these are allkiller songs.
There's not a bad song on this great.
You know you can put like 15 greatest hits songs on ACD, Man,
you've you've had a. Yeah, and that's what gets a lot
of people into the bands. They'll get the greatest hits
and they'll be like, oh, I like that sound.
Let me see. You know they.
Start. With streaming services, you can

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like, like on Apple Music, you can do essentials and they'll be
like the essentials. They'll pick like album songs
from all their albums and then Idon't like that song.
And then you just go download the next song and stuff or the
next album. I mean, it does make learning
about bands easier with streaming, but buying the old
vinyl or cassette or CD or whatever, just something about

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going in line, buying that, taking it, unwrapping it like
the CD and playing it in your car.
As soon as you get out there, it's just something like that.
You just they don't understand anymore.
Animal was the lead single in most countries except the US and
Canada, where the lead single was women.
Yeah, which I did not know that,and it kind of shocked me when I

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would have not thought that would have been the number one,
the lead off. That's probably why I took them
forever to start hitting big. I don't think that song is as
good as some of the other ones. But that's why today, when we
were listening to it, I had you skip that song.
What'd you skip? Women.
What? Yeah, I just get tired.
You skipped too many songs on this album, yeah.

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Well, no, we're going to get to that.
We're going to, when Jane gives us finished, giving us some some
intro stuff from stuff on this album, we're going to start
going song by song and get our thoughts.
On the single Pour Some Sugar onMe that Greg just absolutely
Loves was actually the last songwritten, and it was finished in
two weeks. In contrast, the final version
of Animal took almost the entirethree years.

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Yeah, I can see that. It's on Rolling Stones list of
the 500 best albums of all time.The magazine also ranked the
album on top of its list of 50 greatest hair metal albums and
it placed their album. I thought it was pretty funny.
It placed this album on their list of 50 rock albums every

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country fans should Own. I think I need to add this too,
just we're talking about Mutt Lang, the producer.
A great producer can take an album like a good album, make it
great. And this guy probably did
because I was listening to it when I listen to it through the
other day, I have a Spotify Lossless where it's like, you
know, full spectrum. It's like you're hearing
everything as it was recorded. Lossless is the best way to

(31:12):
listen to music. And I was listening to this
album and that you can hear all these little intricacies in it.
You know, I lost this thing and you realize that that guy just
put a lot of effort into like layering stuff and and probably,
you know, the harmony organizingand the vocals and stuff that.
You know, they had a lot of layers.
Yeah, you listen to their early stuff, like listen to Rock of
Ages, listen that song, and thenlisten to like Animal or

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something like that. It's not almost like not the
same band. And that's production.
That's not the band. That's because of production.
This album currently sits at the51st best selling album of all
time in the US. It's spent 96 weeks in the US
Top 40, which was a record for the 1980s, and it ties with

(31:54):
Bourne in the USA. Oh, where's thriller on that?
I that thriller's got to be in there somewhere.
Though it's not on my list. OK, I just, I find it hard to
believe, but me, I mean, it probably is though.
OK, just to throw that out therethough, to throw, let's throw
some comparison to this though. As big as this was like Dark
Side of the Moon, Pink Floyd, it's still on the Billboard top
200. It was last year.

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It's still like it's been on there for like 30 something
years on and off. You know why that is?
Because like you said earlier, all those people who are fans of
that band are so old now they forget where they put their CD,
so they have to buy a new copy. That's why they do it.
That's why it's so popular. I bought a copy of the Just off
topic, I bought Dark side of moon like 10 years ago on CD.

(32:38):
It was a 5.1 remaster where it'slike, it's like a movie mix, you
know, where you can hear it behind you and all that stuff.
But my CD player wouldn't play special CD player.
So I have it sitting here somewhere and I can't listen to
it. I don't have anything on play.
And I know Greg, he skips over, pours some sugar on me all the
time, but that is the song that's credited as propelling

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this album. I only skipped it in the charts.
I've heard it so many times overthe years.
I mean that because it was it was so big.
It's sort of like an honor for if I tell you that I skip a song
now, take that as an honor because I probably love that
song for so long to it. You know, I can't listen to half
of Led Zeppelin 4 now, like Black Dog.
And when that comes on, I'm I'veheard that song way too much.

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You listen so you skip all the Rolling Stone songs since you
love me so much, you. Never.
I never skip a stone song now I will say.
That you should you should try. I skip the the knockoff stones.
Whenever Aerosmith song comes on, it's like, oh, this is the
team New Stones and I skip them.I listen.
I got to go. Y'all enjoy the rest of your
podcast? You took a shot of the stones,
boy. Well, under Mutt Lange's

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producing, Def Leppard layered all these guitars in the songs,
which made it impossible to recreate live.
And in an interview, lead singerJoe Elliott said the song
Hysteria has 11 guitar parts. We made a hybrid of them into
two the ones that people could really hear and the ones that

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aren't that important, and that's what they stuck with.
Yeah, well, I mean, that's what I say when I played that
lossless on Spotify, you can hear a lot of the stuff that you
can't hear, you know, just over a regular car radio or
something, or just on a cheap stream. 7 singles were
eventually released in the US, with Love Bites reaching number
one and three others reached thetop 10.

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So Porsche and Sugarman never went to #1.
No, it peaked at #2 Armageddon. It peaked at #3 all of.
Those lovebots was, should be #1.
Gods of War should've went number one in my book.
That's not even a single. Yeah, so.
Well, let's run over the. Let me leave you with this quote
from Vivian Campbell. I can say objectively, because I

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wasn't in the band then, that Hysteria is one of the greatest
records of all time. Vivian Campbell.
He can say that because Vivian Campbell wrote A Rainbow in the
Dark by DO so he wrote that song.
So he knows his music. So let's let's go over the songs
here. Jan didn't mention it, but I
mentioned I read up. If you go to Wikipedia, go
anywhere, they take stuff by howit came out when it was on

(35:11):
violent all that stuff or cassette, because back then you
had sides, you know, So you you stream stuff now or or CD but
don't have sides. But so side 16 songs on it and
they were all singles and then side 2 had 6 songs on it and
five of them were like the B sides and stuff.
Yeah, I was looking at the albumtoday, just I found a picture of
the actual album because I don'thave the album anymore.

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Yeah. And I look in the first six,
it's kind of like, you know, when you buy a 45, you had an A
and AB side. The B side was always like a
throwaway song almost. Yeah.
That's what the whole second side of the album would would
be, would be like that. Except for one song.
Yeah. I mean, it's that's.
Wild to know, yeah, that they had that many singles.
But the first song everyone was women.

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Jan don't like to hear anymore, but that's a good song.
I actually when I was listening to it the other day, I heard
these songs so many times over the years.
And I say I wasn't a huge Def Leppard fan, but I knew the
hits. But I didn't realize that song
was called women. When when I start here is like,
I look at it and I'm like, women.
And I'm like, that was a single.I don't remember a song women
from Def Leppard. I don't listen to us.

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I know this song. What the I just didn't realize
it was named women. Yeah, it was a good.
It's a good song. And he didn't want that released
as Joe didn't want that releasedas the first single.
He he was, he got, he got outvoted by somebody in the
band. I remember which band member
wanted that to be the first. But he got outvoted and released
and he's, he was like, yeah, that's not really the Best Song

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to start off with, but. It it and that's a big deal too.
You know when you're picking outto release the first single from
an album? I remember watching that
Metallica documentary and their The Black album that made out
Metallica, so Big Bob Rock. There's a scene in that
documentary where he's sitting down the guys, he goes, listen,
Holier Than Thou is your debut single.
He's going to hit him. That's going to be huge.
Holier Now is going to be like the biggest song you ever put

(36:58):
out. And they're like, hey, I don't
know about that, you know? And then they decide, now let's
put out Inner Sandman and then look, you know, if they put
Holier now, that album might have never hit like that.
Yeah, and women only went to I think #80 or so on the top 1,
so. Joe was right, I mean, obviously
they should not open, but I meanit took like Jensen, it took a
bill to get that. You know, it may might have hit

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route the bad to feed release, pour some sugar on me first.
But I mean, it never went #1 so.You know, can I ask a question?
Just something I've been pondering since we've been
talking about music lately and, and stuff.
No, you know, I would like to sit down.
Do what? I said no, but I'm just messing
with you. Go ahead.
No, I would like to sit down andask these guys, like any of
these bands, when you put together an album, CD or

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whatever, how do you determine the flow of the album?
You know because if you look at this, the B sides, the last 6
songs on this album were not weak but weaker compared to the
first six. How do you determine that flow
I? Do know I I did, I would set the
setlist mostly for our band overthe years.
And when you're doing a setlist for playing out, you won't like

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do a couple fast ones and you slow it down and all that stuff.
But you're right though, puttingan album out like this, I don't
know. This is a this shocked me when I
saw it though, like that whole first size, all all singles and
hits, because I don't think bands normally did it that way.
I think you put like, well, you considered a single, then maybe
put like the slower B side song mix and then like another hit
you think and then I don't. Try to mix it up.

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Yeah, this was like just let's just shove it right in their
face, man here. You go, let's take them on a
ride right off the bat. Yeah, so, Jan, you just women
you've heard too many times. Right, I've heard it way too
much. But you like that song.
Right, Yeah. I mean in the 80s I never seen.
All three of us were giving it athumbs up.
Oh yeah, great song. OK, so the next song is Rocket.
Well, I love that song. Me too.
Yeah, That's a radio staple. So we don't talk much about that

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song. That is a radio staple.
Everybody loves Rocket. Yeah, Animal.
That's one you sing along to. I mean, who doesn't love Animal?
That's a great song. He was great on The Muppets and
he's great on this album, so. Yeah, that's just you sing along
to oh, you know, you want to sing along with that song.
Yeah, that's you know, they and that's, you know, off topic a

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minute. That's one thing that Mutt Lane
probably had a lot to do with. And I think they take they've
talked about they take pride in this the way they harmonize for
the rock band This this you know, they it's like Van Halen
always took good care of put Michael Anthony and Eddie is
harmonizing recall in it. It made some of their songs,
Michael Anthony, the lesser part, Eddie Van Halen

(39:29):
harmonizing to Roth and Hagar was as big a part of that band
as Eddie's guitar was. And Def Leppard's the same way.
I was listening to Dave. What was the one of their older
songs came on. He's coming from the Hydra
album. I was like even then I was
listening to it and it's like they're harmonizing.
It's like those guys harmonize. Everybody in that band can sing,
apparently, you know? So love bites.
Yeah. That's, you know, that's your

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good ballad. We can all relate to love bites,
yeah? And that's true.
That's the song that they say has like some kind of hidden
message in it. Have you heard that before?
Are we going we have to do another episode of this to
involve the. Conspiracies of definitely, it's
like the, you know, the kind of like the robotic voices or
whatever that's in the song. Yeah, toward the end of the song
or whatever. All right, Chris, I've figured

(40:12):
out your conspiracy. Would you like to hear it?
Yeah, speak up. All right, the hidden message in
Def Leppard's Love Bites is saidto be producer Mutt Lange saying
bloody hell in a thick Yorkshireaccent at the end of the song.
Not, not a sinister. Backwards or something.

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Not a sinister phrase like some fans thought.
It's a playful, intentional bit of audio that I don't remember.
That was a big thing back in the.
Day it confirms the song theme to Painful love.
I I just think love bites was huge because everybody could
relate to it. I mean, who hasn't been hurt in
love? Who hasn't been brought to their

(40:54):
knees? But that was your, your, your
ballad. For the every 80s album, a rock
had to put a ballad, and that was their ballad.
So, yeah. And that would be right up there
with one of the best ballads of the 80s.
Yeah, yeah. Heaven by warrant, of course, is
#1 but you know. Angel.
Yeah, OK. All right.
You know what? I want to give you that.

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One Angel. Yeah, Chris, he finally gave
you. One heaven by warrant, so.
That's right. Gotcha.
Good. Glad we agree.
What about save? Your love, my job here is done.
Great White, save all your love.That's good.
Don't know what you got to us. Gone, Cinderella.
Hey. That's a that's a different
podcast. All right, we're going to do it.
We're going to do an 80s ballad podcast.
I'm writing it down that. Will do that maybe sometime in

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February. So all.
Right for Valentine's Day, that'd.
Be oh, oh, look at that, you're earning your key.
We're planning on on the fly. Chris, you are worth every cent
that we don't you. You're a pixel peep.
I know you're a pixel peep rightnow, Chris, but you end up being
a pixel people. You know, I'm I'm striving, I'm
growing, hopefully if. You go to
thepixelunderground.com people and click on the Pixel Pod page.

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You can see the hierarchy of theof the staff involved with the
podcast. So the next one is pour some
sugar on me, which I mean, that's just a monster hit.
I mean. Peaked at #2.
You have those bands that that'shard.
I was thinking when he's talkingabout, you know, you got those
bands in those songs and you would have like everybody always

(42:18):
says Mount Rushmore. Let's say I'm Mount Rushmore of
80 songs, but you don't limit itat 4 obviously, you know, you
just say just as a term of MountRushmore, if you're doing the
Mount Rushmore of 80s songs, Pour Some Sugar on Me is on it.
It's probably not their favoritesong they did and it's probably
not a lot of their fans favoritesongs.
But that song is like, you know,it's right up there with Purple
Rain, all that stuff with that song to find a band so.

(42:41):
It was the gateway, the gateway to Def Leppard for a lot of
people I'm sure. Oh yeah, well, mine was though
was Rock of Ages. You know when that hit, When it
starts with that open? Such a great song.
That song as a kid, I'm in recording it off the radio as I
listen to it constantly. That song, you know, but so we

(43:02):
all agree every every song we'vetalked about right now, we all
give thumbs up, right? Yeah.
The next one's Armageddon it. That's another.
Good one. That's my favorite song on the
album. Really.
That's another one you can sing along to you.
Know that's my favorite one on when I listened to it again
today. When I was listening to the
album again today, I played it twice back-to-back song song.
I did that too. I love this song.

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Oh yeah, Jan, you're a fan of Armageddon.
Oh, I love him. I love it.
So that's the all those songs wejust named off, we all gave all
thumbs up to and talk about. Those are all great songs.
That is the entire first side ofthat album.
Yeah. So every song's like a hit.
Air song's a monster. Air song's thumbs up you know
let's flip it over here let's goto the side too right off the
bat this song jam loves this song She's always told me she

(43:45):
lives in gods of war and I've I've grown to like it I like
this song it's this. Little or you like Jan.
It's I like Jan. Likes me, so he likes this.
Song. But the more I've listened that
song this week, I thought it is a good song.
I mean, I know it's a protest song.
It's them getting a little political and you know,
definitely we don't need to be political, but it's tolerable in
this song, you know, I. I'll skip this one.

(44:08):
I would skip this one if I what listening to it for the.
I would have skipped it. I would have skipped it up until
this week and I started listening to the whole album
through and I was like, you knowwhat, I will listen to song now
and I probably wouldn't a year ago, but I would now.
But it's like I skipped the Enders.
Like, you know, he's got to throw the Reagan and Thatcher
and all that. Stuff.
That's what I love about it. I love hearing Reagan.

(44:28):
You're. Not here Communist.
OK, the next song is don't shootshotgun it.
The start of that song is cheesyas I'll get out and I was
actually got like a minute into it the other day and I was like,
I'm just skipping over this, butI always stood all the way
through and it does rock, but it's it wouldn't be 1 I go to.
But if you took a little bit of cheesy opening, I'm sure that

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was mutt Lane trying to get cutewith the opening.
If you took the cheesy opening and just kicked right into the
guitar and did it, it would be abanger.
So I'm going to give it like a aneutral.
I don't dislike that song, but Idon't hate it either.
None of these songs are songs that I detest.
You know what I'm saying, right?Yeah, I'm not.
Like. Miserable.
Listen to it, but you know, it'sjust like.
There's certain there's better songs.

(45:12):
Yeah, I'm going to flip to the one of the other ones, you know.
So run riot. Wait a minute, Jan.
What? Don't shoot shotgun.
What do you I don't mind, don't shoot shotgun and I love at the
beginning where they go. She's so dangerous, I love that
part. It's just 80s cheese, you know?
But you liked it in the 80s, so I get it.
The next song is Run Riot. It was all right.

(45:34):
It's catchy. Yeah, it's catchy.
I'm probably not going to jam onit.
But again, I could say I'm not going to dislike, I'm not going
to give it a thumbs down. It's it's a neutral song.
It's a good side B. That will be one of those songs
so far that in God's War and Don't Shoot Shotgun, if it was
the B side to something and I bought like a 45 back in the
day, I would have listened to itevery now and then.

(45:55):
You know, I wouldn't have disliked it, but I, you know, I
wouldn't. So but then it brings us, OK,
just when you think the album's dying out, bam, right in your
face. Hysteria.
The song Hysteria, It's a great.Song it's.
It's I don't know if they did that on purpose.
You know, you talk about Chris, you'd like to know how they laid
this out, but but it starts to tail off and then here, let's
start here. You think think you're getting

(46:16):
tired of us here. We're right in your face, buddy
hysteria. You know, it's good.
And that brings you back, fires you back up for the last two
songs, you know, So I'm going togive, you know, Hysteria,
everybody's another one sing along with.
We used to do a TikTok video today and put that song in it.
Yeah, we all three giving that one thumbs up.
Right. Oh yeah, absolutely.
Yep, and the next song is excitable.
I like it. I'm giving.

(46:37):
It like, you know. Def Leppard Cover band.
That's the name of the cover band that plays around here.
Yeah. And then?
It to me, it's it's just so catchy stand.
That's what you got to. Do now if.
You're Def Leppard cover band orany cover band now, all the good
the all the all the good song titles are taken by cover bands.
So you got to go deep in the catalog and you know, every
Stone song, you know every Stones cover band, you come out.

(46:59):
Can't be start me up. Somebody came up with that 30
years ago. So I got to find something off,
you know, Beggars Banquet or Aftermath, you know, so the name
I band after. So yeah, I'm not going to hang
on it. It is what it is.
I'll give it a neutral. And that brings us to the last.
Song give it a thumbs up. OK, all right, there you go.
Stand. Up so that's the first No, I
gave God the war thumbs up. So all right, so that brings us

(47:22):
to the last song on side 2, loveand affection.
Jan, what do you? Think I like it, I don't mind.
We do like every song on this album.
That's why Chris is on here thisweek.
We need, we needed someone who'sneutral.
Yeah, it's it's a, it's a good song buried at the bottom of the
album. Yeah, so it could have probably

(47:43):
switched places with a couple ofother ones that are just songs.
But I mean, overall, I mean it, it's a good song, but it it
deserves its place at the end ofthe album, I think.
Here's the thing about about this album is even the B sides
that, you know, you kind of likeare great songs though, because
a lot of bands, man, put some put albums out in the 80s and

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they had like, do you know, the first or second single Just like
in your face, Like, man, I've got to have this album and you
buy it. Then you realize, yeah, I should
just bought, bought those two songs because, you know, the
rest of the album is garbage. There is this item in garbage.
It's just not up to the first six singles.
But you know, it's good, so. There'd be a lot of bands that

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would die to have put out those last 6 songs as their as their
catalog. So I had a little thing right
here, that love and affection. The last song, it was nearly
released as an eighth single. That was almost the eighth
single off that album. But they didn't put another
single out. I guess they already went on to.
We just need to go ahead and start working on the next album,
which what's the next album? It was a.

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Adrenaline. Adrenaline I think it was but it
it's it's sold like 3,000,000 copies and was considered like a
bomb by them. Yeah, adrenalized was 1990.
3,000,000 copies had like 4 hit singles off of it and they're
like oh man, they're on their way down now.
Look at that. It's like that's the downside to
having one of these monster albums.
It's like, I mean, like Van Halen 1984 was so big that Roth,

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Levy and Sammy coming in probably what saved that band
because everything they would have put out after 84 would have
been like, you know, it's not this, where's the big, where's
the jump? Where's this?
You know, And it probably would have just tailed off.
But we're talking about how hugethis album was.
But it also cost a lot to make. I mean, you know, it wasn't
cheap. How much?

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Did you know how Simone, the managing director of Phonogram
Records at the time, said the album is quite possibly the most
expensive record made in the whole UK?
Did he? Give a total though.
No, I I couldn't find a total. Like he said the whole you said,
he said the whole UK. The whole UK, yeah.
It takes you 3 years to make an album and it's going to be

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expensive as crap. And according to guitarist Phil
Collins, the album had to sell aminimum of 5 million copies just
to break even. Yeah, I'm glad I picked this
album because I wanted a big 80salbum to do the first one for
this. And it was just coincidence that
Jen's such a big Def Leppard fan, you know?
And then I listen to it and I'm like, you know, first time this

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probably the first time I ever listened this album all the way
through, like getting to the end.
I've heard of songs over the years, like a song here, song
there. But you know, me, this judge
Chris, this drives Jen crazy. But on Spotify, I hit shuffle on
everything. So if I'm listening to an album,
it's shuffles like, yeah, you know, it might be jump and then
the next song. And I'm the opposite, I have to

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listen to it in order I was. Going to bring up, I was going
to bring that point up a minute ago.
I don't have Spotify for music. I use Apple and you can you play
the song and you can hit shuffle.
And that's what I was going to say a minute ago is, yeah, you
might listen it. So let's say originally you were
listening to Hysteria and you know, you love the first six
songs and then, you know, Hysteria comes on.

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So you get to that and you skip those other songs.
When you shuffle, you know, it sorts, it mixes them up a little
bit. So you may give some songs you
wouldn't have listened to or listen.
So it's actually a benefit. That's why me and Jan.
Started dating, she said that one time.
What? What are you doing?
Listen to it in order. I'm like, no.
That's the way the band intendedit to be.

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If it's a concept album, if it'slike The Wall, The Wall or.
Queen's right operation, right guy.
I think that might have been Chris.
That might have been the album. That was the album.
Queen's right. Yeah, I was playing it one time.
For out of. Order.
What is this? And I've out lost it.
And I'm like, that's the album, she goes.
That is not an order. And I'm like, well, I don't know
what the order is because I madeher the playlist them songs.

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I forget why I did it, but I putthe songs in a playlist for that
and, and she was just like, that's not the order.
I'm like, I don't know what the order is.
I just listed the songs. So anyway, well that'll do it
for this one. It was a fun album to do and
we've already picked since I picked a big record for this
one, I got the researching last week thinking about what the
next one would be. And it hit me, why don't I just

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look and see what albums were released each month?
We're doing it like in February.So I googled and checked what
albums were released in the 80s in the month of February, and
the biggest one that popped up was Face Value by Phil Collins,
his first solo album, and I thought that'd be a great one to
do. So that's the one we're gonna do
in February. I already have our August 1
picked out so. What is it?
What's August? Permanent vacation.

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OK, I'll give you that one. Aerosmith.
Yeah. Well, we'll do that in August.
You. And Jan can try to turn me into
an Aerosmith fan off that recordso.
We'll try our. Best I had.
Wait a minute. No, that's the one before pump,
right? Yeah, correct.
Yeah, OK. I had Pump, I bought a great.
But Chris, I have spent money and purchased three Aerosmith
albums in my life. I bought Pump, I bought 9 lives,

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and I bought the greatest hits of them.
Not toys and attic. No, not toys and attic.
I just had pump. Pump was pump had loving an
elevator on it and I was like, that's such a great Simon.
I bought that album. Going down.
Yeah, that's such a good. I even had that on Cassingle.
I bought the. Casino then went and bought the
cassette. Yeah, what I like about these
80s albums, the Aerosmith ones, the Def Leppard, the Michael

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Jackson's, all those those ones,is we're in that 2026 now and
they're from the 80s and they still musically hold up the
musicianship, you know, just thethe creativity, just that stuff
that the artist now samples so much from these other people
that like these guys were like, you know, they did say, I'm not

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going to say they didn't use bits and pieces from other
stuff, but it's not prominent like it is now.
But when you look at those bandsand those people like that, it's
just 45 years, you know, 40 years, 50 years, 60 years for
like the Rolling, 100 years for Rolling Stones, as old as they
are. That stuff, that stuff holds up.
You know what I'm saying That you can play it now and it's

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just like I brought. That up to Jan.
He's coming home today and he's listening this album and I said
Mutt Lane produced this record and made it so glossy and so
perfectly polished that it holdsup like any album that comes out
today like it does. It is not aged, you know, and
that that's and I'll tell you something.
I don't know how many people know a whole lot about recording
albums, but all that stuff was analog that was on tape and that

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was, you know, 64 back then whenthis was done, the 64 track
recorder. But you know, you would put that
on tape and, and you had to do edits and stuff.
You didn't just go back and delete that and record over.
You had to cut and splice. And now everything's digital.
If you don't like something, youjust go back and cut that part
out and re record a part over itand put it over it.
But no, this was back in the daywhere you had to take tape, cut

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it with razors, tape it back together.
I mean, there's a lot of work togo to make an album sound this
good back then. But on the downside, it makes it
impossible to recreate live. Yeah.
Well, without, yeah, but you know, that's what I saw a guy
backing on the Stones the other day because Triumph is torn
right now. But they're bass player.
It's just they're bass player and a drummer.

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And they're, they brought a drummer, a bass player,
guitarist and singer. And the original, the older bass
player, the drummer are basically sitting off to the
side just playing the basic beatwhile the other guys do all the
music. And I saw a guy on Facebook, I
forget his name, he's a big music guy saying how is this
city different than the Stones? You look up the Stones, they got

(55:14):
12 guys on that stage. But I want to point out that the
Stones in 72 had 12 guys on thatstage because they went out
there and they had a horn section and a backup singer to
recreate the stuff they did in the studio.
This isn't putting all replacement guys now.
You know, they they're done it for 40 years, 4050 years to
recreate what they did on an album.
And you know, there's no shame in that.

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And you know, Def Leppard, you know, they could, they could
throw another. We just saw three of us just saw
Trickster last week. And Steve Brown, their guitar
player has been playing on tour,filling on and off for Def
Leppard for the last 5-6 years when Vivian Campbell had to go
do cancer treatment. So, you know, it's, they could,
should bring him along and let him play third guitar, you know,
just to fill in some of my stuff.

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But they still sound great. Shout out to Trickster.
Yeah, shout out to Trickster. We that was a great show we saw
last week and if you're if you're an 80s fan or not, if you
see Trickster coming to your city and they're not torn big
cities, they were in Hickory, NClast week.
Just like they did in the 80s. Yeah, Cadillacs.
Yeah, They were talked about playing Cadillacs or Rockies and
Rocky Scarfone and on Cadillacs and Hickory back in the 80s.

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And, yeah, that was a place you saw music and Hickory in the
80s. But they're, if you see them
coming to some little club in your city, even if you don't
know tricks or music, go see them because you'll be a fan
when you leave. Yeah.
Well, that'll do it for this week's episode.
Chris, got anything to say? Nope.
I'm good. All right, Jam.
All right. Shine on.