Harley Yeager

On this week's episode I sit down with the multi-NDA signer / incredible actor, Harley Yeager. We discuss everything from the intricacies of artist credit in the streaming era to his time voicing a character in one of my favorite video games growing up, Tony Hawk: Pro Skater (Remastered).

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Episode Transcript

SPEAKER_03 (00:00):
This is a cold read of the effect.
I will be playing Connie andHarley Yeager will be
improvising.
Improvising as interested.
Here we go.
Let's do this.

SPEAKER_02 (00:20):
Is this bad?
I think it might be because Ifeel tell me what you feel.

SPEAKER_03 (00:28):
I feel well, I feel my skin looks better.
But I don't know if that's youknow.

SPEAKER_02 (00:38):
Well I mean things happen over time.
Uh you you gotta just, you know,keep an eye on it.
How long has it been?
Is i is everything a little bitmore than a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 (00:46):
And I don't know if this is the sort of thing you
want.
But I think there's an effect.
Oh that's the name of the deck.
There's an effect.
On um there's an effect.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00):
Does it does it make you feel funny?
Libido?
Libido Loca.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12):
Are you okay?
Oh wait, I can't improvise.
This is terrible.
I have cut so much of this.
Uh uh uh I've never felt thisalert before.

SPEAKER_02 (01:23):
Well, I mean, caffeine does that to people.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27):
Sleep!

SPEAKER_02 (01:32):
You could sleep right now if you want to.
I feel like I might never sleepagain.
Well, we are in the middle ofthe subway, but I'll be your
shoulder.
You could sleep here.
Right here.

SPEAKER_03 (01:43):
You shouldn't be here.

SPEAKER_02 (01:45):
Well I am.
I love you.
How are you feeling?
Like I'm in love?
You're sweating.
Well, I mean it's with it's ahot subway.
I'm cold.
Oh.
Well Could it be because yourskin?

(02:08):
Bursting?

SPEAKER_03 (02:09):
I can't stop it.
Something's in me, but it's likeit it's it come from outside me,
like having the weather inside.
Huh.

SPEAKER_02 (02:26):
That's pretty interesting.
Uh do you really?

unknown (02:30):
I think.

SPEAKER_02 (02:32):
No.
Tristan?
I'm sorry.
I I just Well, do you feeldifferent?
I feel a little different nowthat I'm saying that I'm hot and
you're cold in a hot subway, butI think I'm going to take
advantage of you.

SPEAKER_03 (02:46):
Check, please.
We'll end it there.
You know, though, that middlesection was pretty impress was
interesting because you weresome of the lines you were
hitting.
Really?
The hot you saying I'm hot wasthe line.
Well, hey.
It was very because I was like,whoa, there's something to that.

SPEAKER_02 (03:04):
I was picking up on your vibes.

SPEAKER_03 (03:05):
I was picking up on the temperature.
Welcome to Working Class X.

(03:29):
Hello, and welcome to theWorking Class Acts Podcast.
I'm your host, John Matalone.
That's right.
I am joined today by a guy Ihaven't seen in a decade,
probably a little less, but wewent to grads under undergrad
together.
Jesus.

(03:50):
Undergrad together.
Harley Yeager is an actor slashvoice actor who has worked in
voiceover, television, film, andtheater.
Notable VO work includes theanime mobile suit Gundam GQ on
Prime Video.
I have auditioned for those too.
Yeah, I have.
Um video games like Tony HawkPro Skater 1 through 4

(04:12):
remastered.
Shut the fuck up.
That's like my childhood.
No joke.
I played those games way toomuch as a kid.
And he is a major villain in amajor video game that we can't
even talk about.
That's how big it is.
Isn't that fine?
So everyone just shut the fuckup.
He's also been on shows like TheBlacklist, Jessica Jones, happy,

(04:34):
and Evil Lives Here.
I have a beautiful talentedfiance.
I'm reading it from hisperspective.
I've sabotaged it.
Now imagine me as Harley.
I have a beautiful talentedfiance who's also an actor.
And we have two incredible cats.
Oh my god, we're talking aboutthe cats.
So incredible, they're tattooedon my arm.

(04:57):
They are proof.
Show that to the camera.
Look at that.
Shit.
Either.
They're both recording.

SPEAKER_02 (05:02):
You're my babes.

SPEAKER_03 (05:03):
I love it.
And when I, Harley, have time tokill, I'll be spending time with
them playing video games, Magicthe Gathering, or DND.
Coming up, Harley, has an indieand sci-fi thriller movie that
he worked on that's starting thefestival submitting process,
another video game that you'llhave to stay tuned to hear
about.

(05:23):
Because this guy's signing allkinds of NDAs.
I, Harley.
Also started working working fora Long Island theater company
called the Strongbox Theaterthat just opened in East
Rockaway.
I'm here with Harley Yeager,folks.
I'm happy to be here.
Oh, he's here.
Harley.

SPEAKER_02 (05:40):
How are you doing, man?
I'm doing so good.
I'm I'm just so stoked to behere.

SPEAKER_03 (05:45):
See you after all this time.
I know, dude.
I mean, this has been the bestexcuse for me to see people I
haven't seen in ages and see howthey're doing.
And like, it sounds like thingsare going awesome for you, dude.
Yeah, I'm really cool.

SPEAKER_02 (05:54):
I'm excited with what's been happening the last
couple of years.
Nice, man.
Where are you originally from,Harley?
I'm originally from SouthHampstead.
Uh I went to Rockville Centerschools.
Nice.
Uh so I got a little bit of thelike best worlds of South
Hempstead being a little bitmore blue collar and Rockville
Center.
It's a very white collar.
Um so I got to, you know,experience both ends of you

(06:17):
know, humbleness.
But also what everybody elsehas, which not everybody else
does.
Got you.
Long island.

SPEAKER_03 (06:24):
Long island.
You've been a Long Island guy.
Do you think do you feelyourself going anywhere else?
Or do you feel like Long Island?
It's just home for you.

SPEAKER_02 (06:31):
You know, I have thought about going to LA like a
couple times.
Yeah, I think like even duringcollege, that was a big like,
you know what?
I'm gonna buy a bus.
And I'm gonna re-perpost.
Yeah, buy a bus.
Make it into one of those coolhomes with my friends and out to
LA and then I'll stay there.
Yeah.
And then I was like, you knowwhat?

(06:52):
I got an agent here.
I started working here.
Yeah, and I just got socomfortable.
And I I like being close to myfamily.
I think that's like a really bigpart of it.
Is like I don't love being awayfrom my family for long periods
of time.
I'm happy to travel, I'm happyto do things like that.
But like I think that's the realthing that has kept me.

SPEAKER_03 (07:13):
Expensive to travel now.
Holy fucking hell, yeah.
Yeah.
But uh well, you were justsaying earlier when you got here
that you were meeting up withyour agent.
Yeah.
And we it used to be one of myagents.
Yeah.
Um, so uh that that's beengreat.
How long have you been workingwith uh people over at DVS?

SPEAKER_02 (07:28):
Since graduation, I could yeah.
I did the uh the actor showcasea senior year, which was really
awesome.
And um one day I was I wasactually subletting uh Chris
Trindade's apartment city.
And one of my past roommates.
Yeah, another good actor.
Also with Peter.
Uh oh, is he really?
I didn't know that.
But that's great.

(07:48):
So I subletted for a while and Iwas there, and then one day I
just got an email and uh it wasfor a Transformers like kids
show, and I was like, Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (07:57):
Okay, cool.
Why not?
Yeah.
I mean, that's like voiceover issuch is such a great uh it's
just such a great avenue.
There's so much opportunity init right now.
Um that was one of the first uhthings that I did, like getting
into voiceover when I graduatedtoo from undergrad.
It was it's just such a funexperience to go in the room and
just get to play characters thatyou would never get to play in a

(08:19):
million years because of howinsane they are and like how
they're designed or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 (08:24):
Just be anybody.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (08:25):
I mean, you were auditioning to be a robot alien
thing.
That's how much I know aboutTransformers.

SPEAKER_02 (08:31):
Right.
Dude, it's like it's just so funto be able to like have the
opportunity, even with you know,a post-pandemic world, to be
able to do your work from yourhouse.

SPEAKER_03 (08:42):
So true, yes.
And send it out, which is ablessing and a curse in itself.
Totally.

SPEAKER_02 (08:46):
Because you know, the blessing is yeah, the
conveniency of you can basicallythe timing of getting auditions
is great.

SPEAKER_03 (08:52):
You can schedule your time.
You can mess it up.

SPEAKER_02 (08:54):
Dude, even today, heading to uh my voiceover
agent, I forgot that they sentme an email for an audition.
So I'm heading there and I'mjust like, I can't make an
excuse.
I'm about to see that.
So I was just like, I totallymiss this.
I'm sorry, I'll uh do when I gethome later.

SPEAKER_03 (09:09):
So you grew up in Long Island.
When did you get the proverbialbug?
When did it bite you?

SPEAKER_02 (09:15):
I think always.
I think since I discovered PowerRangers.
Really?
Yeah.
Big Power Rangers guy.
I loved Power Rangers so much tothe point that I would not be
anything else for Halloween.
I was always the Red Rangerevery year.
I think one day I just left.
Very true.
My parents did not.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (09:34):
We gotta buy another fucking Power Ranger costume.
God damn it.
All of the toys.
I was a big Power Ranger fan toowhen I was a kid.

SPEAKER_02 (09:42):
It was so fun.
So fun.
Now, like I didn't even knowthis, but like I didn't know
that it was originally anothershow from Japan.
Oh, really?
That was super Sentai, and thenall of the stuff that you saw of
them fighting was an actualother show that they repurposed
for their show and then castAmerican actors and then used
all the scenes that way.

(10:03):
So like it's them dubbing, andthat's like wait, so all of
American Power Rangers is justdubbing.
I think so.

SPEAKER_03 (10:11):
For the most part when it comes to like in the
full costume.
That's actually kind ofbrilliant, right?
When you think about it.
Like in terms of like oh, yeah,just we can bring it over there
so easy.
All we have to do is refilm whenthey're not in their costumes.
Yeah, if I'm wrong, I'm sosorry.
If we're wrong, we should dothis.
It's a really good way to likeget a bunch of uh shows out

(10:33):
there.
100%.
I love that.
Um so I'm I'm trying to think ofa way to like segue into what we
were talking about beforebecause I thought this
conversation was superinteresting.
I'm trying to do the show alittle differently.
Um but we were talking, you youjust you worked on this big
video game, a project.

(10:53):
It is a video game, and you'replaying a villain in it.
You can't talk about it, eventhough it's out right now.
Even though it's out and it's athing.
Which is really bizarre.
Yeah.
Um can we mention what can wemention about this?
Like, what's the easiest way foryou to talk about this where you
don't get in trouble, but youcan at least uh discuss the
experience because it's veryunique.

SPEAKER_02 (11:13):
Okay, so so so you get an audition, it has a code
name.

SPEAKER_03 (11:18):
Sure.

SPEAKER_02 (11:19):
Um, most things, like I feel like a lot of big
projects, even Gundam, like thatwas under a code name.
Totally.
Um so you get this thing, and Iwon't say even the code name.
I'll just it was just got a codename.
It was cool.
It's impossible.
And then they they sent you asound alike, and they were like,
this is what we're emulating,try to sound like that.
Yes, yes.

(11:39):
So um I didn't even know what itwas when I did it.
So uh, but I ended up getting uhput on hold for that, which is
really cool.
Which is like hold is sayingthat we're you're considered,
but it doesn't mean you'reyou're gonna get the part.
So undecided just yet.
Yeah, I feel like it's a rangeof let's say like five to ten
people they're probablyconsidering, and then they're

(12:00):
kind of checking dates to belike, hey, it's be available.

SPEAKER_03 (12:03):
It's the final step before booking.
Right.
A potential booking.

SPEAKER_02 (12:07):
Yes.
So I got put on hold and uh Iended up booking it, which is
really, really cool.
That's fucking awesome.
And uh so I got to record and itwas one of the best experiences
that you go in person to thestudio.
That's the really cool thing isbeing able to do something from
home and then actually beingable to still go into a studio
because I I get so nervous beingat home, especially with like
Source Connect and things likethat.

(12:28):
Because what if Wi-Fi goes outand we have gardeners?
That's the worst gardeners, man.

SPEAKER_03 (12:34):
The internet connection thing for callbacks
and or or just jobs, yeah.
In particular for voiceover,where like internet can go out.
Like it's just such a it's sucha there's nothing you can do.
There's nothing you can do aboutit too, and it sort of it puts
you in a position to have tospend more.
Like it's it's a littlediscriminatory in a way when you

(12:55):
think about individuals who areon the lower socioeconomic
scale, like if they can't affordbetter internet or they're
trying to break into thisindustry and they have talent,
and they have to build a studioand they have to build a studio
now.
Yeah, it's like there's so manyupsides and a lot of downsides,
a lot of downsides, and that'swhy I like going in person
because you don't have to beresponsible for any of that

(13:16):
shit, and you can get direction,which I'm sure is so lovely.
Face people reality.

SPEAKER_02 (13:22):
Remember reality?
Being a person, do you rememberthat?
Are you here?
I recall reality.
I have you there, you're there.
Oh my god!

SPEAKER_03 (13:30):
It burns!

SPEAKER_02 (13:31):
No, I have been playing Power World a lot, so I
have not been in reality.
What's that?
It's dumb.

SPEAKER_03 (13:36):
But it's is it like a mindless game?
No.

SPEAKER_02 (13:40):
No, no, no.

SPEAKER_03 (13:41):
I guess but like trust me, I play mindless games
too.
It's not to judge.

SPEAKER_02 (13:45):
Yeah.
You know Minecraft?
Yeah.
You know Elden Ring?
Yeah.
You know Grand Theft Auto?
Yeah.
Imagine all of that puttogether.
What?
Yeah.
Wait, where is this game?
This game has been in likeLawsuit Hell uh POW World.

SPEAKER_03 (13:57):
Oh, PAL World.
Yes, it's a Pokemon with guns.
I thought it was like a I don'tknow.
Um Yes, okay, I don't know a lotabout it, but I've heard of it.
It's like Pokemon with guns.
That is so weird.
This country's weird.

SPEAKER_02 (14:13):
Dude, yeah.
You you find a pal, you but it'slike Minecraft in the way of you
start with nothing, you punch atree, you get a stick, you make
a stick, you make a craftingtable, and all of a sudden now
you're building like Pokeballs.
Sure, sure.
And then you find a pal out inthe wild, and you can have a
like a whole base where youbuild things, and then you have
your pals, so if it's a firetype, it will do the furnace.
It's like a gun electro.
Yeah, they're all animals.

(14:33):
Okay.
I have put in the last maybethree weeks, 120 hours into this
game.
So I've not been in reality.
That's 40 hours.
Uh, it's a week.
That's a job.
It's a job.
I Sarah, my fiance, has beendoing a full-on play in his
worst like three three plays inone big like festival has been

(14:57):
memorizing, and this has been mymy advantage.
And you're just like, I caughtanother one, baby.
Literally, I caught another one,baby.
Memorizing lines.
I'm like, Sarah, look at thisguy.
He's got flames.
He flies.
Looks like it's like.

SPEAKER_03 (15:09):
I'm trying to learn Shakespeare, you motherfucker.

SPEAKER_02 (15:12):
Well, my God.

SPEAKER_03 (15:15):
I love that.
Dude, I I'm not one to talkthough, because I've been I've
been playing GTA onlinerecently, getting ready for the
new GTA 6 that's coming out.
It looks phenomenal.
It looks so cool.
Um, did you get to audition forthat or anything?
Or I I don't know.
I know I auditioned for I feellike I probably have.
Yes.
So going back to the discussionwe were having, the code name

(15:36):
thing, I definitely feel like Iauditioned for like maybe six
characters in this one becausethe dialogue was just so
specific.
Like that sort of satirical,like hyperbolic, yeah, bizarre
American conversations.
Like it just the craziestcharacters, but are grounded in

(15:58):
that you know, the Americansatire.
Like grounded in reality, butlike still larger than life.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, God, I wish I really wantedto book one of those so badly.
That was like two years ago now,or something that I think.
Probably I'm trying to rememberwhat the code name was for it,
but uh I can talk about it all Iwant because I didn't have to
decide fucking shit.
Yeah, exactly.

(16:19):
Um I guess going back to thatdiscussion, if if there's
anything more you can talk aboutit.
Um, you're right.
So um I tangent, I'm so sorry.
No, dude, I'm the same way.

SPEAKER_02 (16:28):
The exact same way.
I do the project.
I record.
Yes.
It went, it goes really well.
Yes.
The people that I work withenjoyed it as well.
The developers, like thedirector, like everybody said I
did a really great job, and uhthey even had a moment where
they're like, all right, whencan we uh tell Harley when he
can uh announce this?
Even the people in the room arelike this guy talk about a bit

(16:48):
when he can.
We're like, yeah, so when uhwhen can he do it?
Because we hope he does, becausehe did such a great job.
And I'm like, well, thanks.
And then they're like, well,once you see that the
character's out and the game isout, not a trailer, not that,
like it's out and you can playit, then we'll talk about it.
Uh-huh.
And I was like, cool.
So that happened, came out, sawit, wrote up a nice little

(17:08):
posted, and then I get an emailjust going, take down everything
right now.

SPEAKER_03 (17:52):
It is one of those things when like you start
getting those projects whereit's like, oh, there's a little
more name recognition to this.
Where you kind of do have tolike you just gotta sort of play
the game.
I don't I hate that I just saidthat.
I'm not saying that actually.
But uh, I'm not saying that.
I'm saying more of just likesometimes there are certain
decisions that you just are notin control of.

(18:14):
It feels to me too, like thatthis is just becoming like
people who are not actors withinthe industry who have like who
are producers or people who likeown the like uh intellectual
property rights to things, Idon't think like people who have
not come from it from the actorside, but are offering jobs to

(18:35):
actors, I don't think they I Ifeel like there's been a loss of
consideration for what gettingyou know clips and reels to
these actors really means forus.
It's not a vanity thing.
I mean it part of it.
I mean part of it, part of itis.
You have to go and say, I'veworked on these projects, it's a

(18:57):
big project, I know how to workunder that pressure, and
therefore it this should uhcredit me towards other jobs at
this level.
Yeah.
And when you hit when you firsthit that level, when it's new,
which uh maybe it was for you, Idon't know.
But it it's like, oh god, I wantpeople to know I've done this so

(19:18):
that they can see I am ready.

SPEAKER_02 (19:20):
Yeah, I mean, to be fair, it's uh not even fair,
it's unfair.
Uh to be unfair, companies justdon't really and look, this
isn't all companies, obviously.
It's not everybody, but like Ifeel like a lot of businesses,
once the project is done, theydon't even really reach out to
the voice actors after it'sdone.
You know.
Oh, oh, oh, yeah.
Trust me, I know that.

(19:41):
I had uh uh for Tony Hawk.
I that was another codename.
Uh that was the first.
I can talk about Tony Hawkingrad.

SPEAKER_03 (19:50):
I played those games uh so me and my brother played
those games so much as a kidthat is so cool that you gotta
be a part of the remaster.
And I think my brother, wait,no, my brother did get me the
remaster, and I have yet to playit! I am an asshole! Wait, no,
things are falling apart.
I got too excited.
My studio is falling apart.
Where is it?
Tony Hawk's.
Oh, is this the remaster?

(20:10):
I don't know.
Is this?
Yeah.
This is it?
That's it.
Fuck yeah, it's one and two.
Shut the fuck up, folks.
God, no.
I am screwing everything up.
It's raw.
Oh my god.
It's raw.
This is raw.
Dude, he's in this motherfuckinggame.
Look at this motherfucker righthere.
That is really cool.
That's so awesome.
I love like love this gamegrowing up.

(20:32):
It was me and my brother lovedit so much.
And now I'm definitely gonnafucking play it tonight.

SPEAKER_02 (20:36):
I am the custom voice one.
When you make a custom skater,uh dude.
There's top of the voiceoptions, and there's one and
two, and I play voice one.
So all the like, ha, ha ha, bro,I cannot wait to play this and
just have you like run intowalls or something.

SPEAKER_03 (20:52):
Oh, literally, that's when you'll hear it the
most.

SPEAKER_02 (20:54):
So and then you'll hear me say a couple lines as um
a taxi driver in the New Yorkmap in this one.
So if you're in New York and youget hit by a cab, you might
every once in a while hear like,10 points.
Like, oh my god.
So, like, that was a funnyproject because it was called
Meatball.
That was their code name.

(21:15):
Meatball.

SPEAKER_03 (21:16):
It's interesting because the code name, I don't
know, actually.
Like, some code names feel likeseem a little like it.
A little, and some is just andthen some are just like whatever
is the most fucking randomthing.
Yeah.
Uh meatball.
Meatball.
Code name.

SPEAKER_02 (21:30):
Doesn't matter.
So I got a thing for Meatball.
It wasn't even an aud.
It didn't even feel like anaudition.
It was just like a guy beinglike, hey, could I get like a
cup of coffee?
Yeah, no, later work's gonna bereally tough.
Yeah.
And that was the audition.
And I was just kind of like thatfelt so real right now.
I was like, this guy's good.
And then like I think monthswent by, and then uh my agent

(21:51):
reached out and was like, You'rebeing considered for meatball.
Can you show up to Albany?
I know that might be a littlebit.
Yeah.
Oh my god, my home.

SPEAKER_03 (22:01):
They're like, you have to sell near my home.
That's I mean Borisville's wherein front, but Albany is the
closest known city.

SPEAKER_02 (22:08):
I had to drive three hours.
Uh I self-reported.
I was like, yeah, I'll be there.
I don't know what meatball is,but I'm a video game?
Okay.
If this thing's shooting infucking Tokyo, I'm getting 100%.
I'm going.
Yeah.
Like, dude, I would kill to doBang Zoom like auditions for uh
anime and stuff.
Oh, fuck you.
And they're mostly in LA.
Yeah.
But I would literally go intodebt to just fly out there, make

(22:30):
negative money, and come backand do the project.

SPEAKER_03 (22:32):
You know, like some of the there are certain
projects where you would dothat.
Anything involving NeilDruckmann I'm putting it out
there.
Neil Druckmann, I will not, nojoke, I will work for you for
free.
I don't want to work for free.
I would like to pay him a littlebit.
But man, if I could work withyou, dude, on whatever your next
video game is or televisionproject, put me in there, dude.
Love your work.
Last of Us.

(22:52):
Beautiful.
Amazing.
So good.
That's so cool.
So you have you been gettingthis work through your agent.
Your agent now?
That is amazing.

SPEAKER_02 (23:00):
That was actually a pre pre pre-pandemic.
So I did uh I didn't do much.
You did this one a while ago.
This was so long ago.
Wow.

SPEAKER_03 (23:08):
This was almost like is it nine years?
I mean, it's gotta be.
It's over six.

SPEAKER_02 (23:13):
Yeah, I think this was like nine years ago, maybe.
No, maybe six, seven.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (23:19):
I just realized what you did.
Six seven.
That's I'm sorry.
Anyway.
Silly.
So you didn't even, I don't eventhink you did.
Was that a bit?
That was just organic six seven.
Just a little bit of stinning.

SPEAKER_02 (23:37):
Um, but yeah, so I I went up, I got up there, I
recorded for 15 minutes.
It was vigor.
It was it was literally a bunchof grints from like Ollie,
small, medium, large.
But then you skimmed your knees,small, medium, large, and then
they did the taxi, like, whydon't you try a little of this,
a little of this?
And they were like, thanks.
Fucking rad.
I'll head home now.

(23:59):
I got a slice of pizza, and thenI was like, all right, four
hours home.

SPEAKER_03 (24:04):
Jesus, wow.
Um, but that's the thing withvideo games.
Like, when like they're huge,like animation or video game or
anything that's just voiceover,like uh with the exception of
audiobooks, the job seems soshort.
It's so short.
So short because they're it'sunless you're doing like maybe a
television animation serieswhere there's like a dialogue

(24:24):
and like big scenes, like a lotof it is just you go in the
booth, here are your lines,here's maybe they'll give you a
little like this is what's goingon before, so you have some
context, but then you just saythem, and that's it.
Yeah, I've found fivevariations.

SPEAKER_02 (24:41):
They just give you the page and you're like, just
say when it's time.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (24:45):
It's wild.
It's scary, and like it's goodtraining because it throws you
into trouble.
Yes, it really does.
I mean, going back to cold read,you know, it really does point
out like that is a skill youwill use in vo in voiceover in
this field so much.
Yeah.
Where it's just like, you'regiven the dialogue, do it.
Do it.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (25:02):
Like there's no time.
Dude, it's it's cool.
It's um Tony Hawk was uh was acool project because they they
they told me kind of what it waswhen I was there because they
were like it's for escape.
So you still didn't know eventhen.
No, no, they didn't even tellme.
It's so weird.

SPEAKER_03 (25:20):
They want this stuff so closed mouth.
They want to be in control ofall of like what gets put out
there.

SPEAKER_02 (25:26):
And I get I get it.
I don't think I signed an NDAfor that one.
Maybe I did.
I don't think I did.
We'll find out when this comesout.
Well, this game's been out for awhile.
This one's been out for a while.
So, like, then then what's funnyenough is like so I recorded
that project, and that and a uha live-action dub of a zombie
series.
Oh, fun.
Uh it was called Reality Z.

(25:48):
It was basically there was thisshow uh it was this British show
that was a zombie show, and Iforgot what it's called, but
it's basically that showexactly.

SPEAKER_03 (25:56):
And it's about zombie outbreak on a reality TV
show.
Yeah, reality TV show.
I I watched part of that.
Oh, really?
Yeah, and it was an interestingconcept.
It was goofy, it's very goofy.

SPEAKER_02 (26:05):
But and yeah, so they made a video game out of
that?
No, no, so this was actuallyjust a live action.
Uh they made a Brazilian versionof that series.
And they added extra likeepisodes.
So I played the main guy.
Uh like the the English voice.

SPEAKER_03 (26:20):
Oh my god, that's so cool, dude.

SPEAKER_02 (26:21):
That was such a cool experience for dubbing,
especially eventually doinganime, because it it's the
hardest thing to do is liveaction dubbing.
Because I bet.
It's you know you gotta time it.
You have to time it, andespecially when the language is
different than English.
Sure, yeah, some one you're notused to.
It's not your language.
The syncopation of the lips arevi are a lot different.
So like you have to sometimeswrite the change the the text

(26:46):
slightly of the trans like outof the translation so it fits
for the the timing of things.
Yeah, yeah.
And they do that with anime too,but like, you know, anime, the
mouth goes like this.
There's no like you don't seethem going like moving being a
person.
So like doing a live action wasso interesting because you'd
have to watch the character dothings like even like going like

(27:09):
this and going like or likebreathing in the street.
Those little things.

SPEAKER_03 (27:12):
All of it has to be dubbed.
All of it.
Even if it's not in like uh anylanguage, just grunts.
Wow, interesting.

SPEAKER_02 (27:20):
All of it.
Very interesting.
So like, and this was a zombiething.
So later in the episodes, it'sit's literally moments of like
me taking like a like a crowbarand like putting it through a
zombie's head, so I'd be like,Fuck yeah, you know, trying to
copy precise.
And that was so it was thisproject and Tony Hawk.
They were both happening at likeabout the exact same time.
Wow.

(27:41):
And it was right was happening.
Oh my god.
New York was just starting toget hit.
So I went to Albany, I cameback, I think maybe a week
later.
No, no, I recorded, I recordedReality Z week one.
I went to do Tony Hawk.
I came back, recorded more ofReality Z in one day because I

(28:03):
was about to go to Amsterdam,and they were like, we need you
for a couple episodes.
And I was like, I told you guysI was going to Amsterdam, and
I'm going like, so they're like,okay, so this day and this day,
we're gonna do like 10-hourdays, and you're gonna blast
through all these shit.
I was like, alright, cool.
So we did that.
I left for Amsterdam, pandemichit while you're in Amsterdam.

(28:25):
While I'm in Amsterdam, Jesus.
I'm having a good time, youknow, not really thinking about
it too much.
Well, actually, no, that's nottrue.
Sarah was more less concernedthan I was, and then it kind of
flipped towards the end uhbecause you're like, oh shit,
this isn't very real.
Yeah, I was more concernedbecause I was like seeing it
happen in New York.
I was looking at all like thedata on the phones, and I was

(28:46):
telling my parents, I'm like,don't go outside.
Grab your toilet paper, wash itdown.

SPEAKER_03 (28:50):
Was anything happening in Amsterdam?

SPEAKER_02 (28:52):
Not yet.
It was a little bit.
So like when we got there.
A little COVID.
It was when it like, I think ithit China, then it went to Spain
and Italy.
Yeah.
So when we were in Amsterdam, itwas in Italy, and New York was
starting to get a little bit ofit.
That that that hit, and thateverybody was already taking
toilet paper in New York.
So we got to see what washappening.

(29:13):
Yeah.
So we escaped.
We flew away, and then we're inAmsterdam.
We go to the supermarket dayone.
It's a supermarket.
You know, it's got all of thefood that you need, toilet
paper, everything.
It's there.
Day seven of Amsterdam goes toNew York.
Ghost Town.
To the point where I remember aguy walking, maybe he was like

(29:36):
an unhoused person, but he waswalking, going mumbling to
himself, going, it's the end ofthe world.
It's the end of the world.
And I'm like, that's the strangepart of me was excited because
I'm like, I'm in anime movie.
This feels like I'm in a coolsci-fi movie.

SPEAKER_03 (29:56):
I mean, look, I don't deny there were uh when
the pandemic was going on, therewere some days, you know, you
just had to get out and justlike I would go for bike rides.
Very, very sparingly.
I did this.
Um, but I have footage andphotos of Times Square.
Oh, crazy.

(30:16):
During that time when I was justdoing a mental health I need a
bike ride, and it was theweirdest thing in the world in
broad daylight to be in a spacewhere there is usually thousands
upon thousands of people, andthere were I think I saw two
people.
The city that never sleeps.
Oh, it was it was sleeping then.

(30:37):
Except for three of us me andtwo, whoever those two other
people were.
I was like, hi.
Wasn't even saying hi.
I was like, ooh, stay away fromme.
Stay away.
Um but it's yeah, that was abizarre time.

SPEAKER_02 (30:48):
Oh, one cool.
What's um MobileSuit Gundam uhis an anime.

SPEAKER_03 (30:54):
Oh, yes, that I auditioned for this definitely a
couple times.
Is it through um NYAV Post?
Yes, I got on that list agesago.
Yeah, I don't remember how, butevery so often they throw those
my way, and I'm like, these arecool and fun.
Yeah, I've not booked one since.
Wait, can you tell me like anytips?
Yeah, 100%.
I would love to.

SPEAKER_02 (31:15):
Reality Z was with NYAV Post.
That's when I worked with themfor the first time.
And I went to Amsterdam, I didthe project.
Pandemic hit, and I got in touchwith them, probably similarly.
Like I got in their email chain,so they were able to send me out
some auditions, and uh Irealized that they did anime at
the time too, that and that theywere working on the strictly

(31:35):
anime, I feel like.
And uh one of the guys who'ssuper nice there, Clark, was
just like, yeah, we've got uhanother project coming out, and
um you know you might be rightfor that.
Yeah.
I think I auditioned for them somany times.
Yeah, yeah.
So many times over the la overthe next five years, and you
know, it's it's a hard thing tohave to tell yourself that it's

(31:56):
like it's not you, or is it you,or is it not you?

SPEAKER_03 (32:00):
But it's it's like it's also it's a numbers game.
It's a numbers game.

SPEAKER_02 (32:07):
And I think it's a trust thing too, is like the
more you book, the more I thinksomeone goes like, oh, he's
worked on a game before.
He'll probably do fine with herewith this.

SPEAKER_03 (32:17):
Also, anime dubbing is so it is such a specific
voiceover form.
Yeah.
Because it's not it, it's itsown style.
It's so you know, like there's adifferent way you use your voice
for that.

SPEAKER_02 (32:32):
Yeah, there's different like just like in
acting, there are like it's youknow, all in all, it's acting is
acting, and and the the truth isthere, they want truth more than
anything, more than an animevoice, but I think a lot of the
voice comes from theparticularness of Japanese
language, the the thesyncopation uh syncopation of
the words and the lips and thelip flaps.

(32:54):
The pitch even within languageis incredibly important.
I feel like in Japan are so muchmore, I don't want to say more
well-trained, but the trainingthere is so much more for that
type of craft of voice acting.
Yeah.
And they're doing it in theirown language, which means they
get to actually act their heartout in the way that works for
them.
And where you're dubbing, you'reyou have you have to be

(33:16):
restricted by what the otheractor has done.

SPEAKER_03 (33:19):
Yeah.
Oh, that's interesting.
Yeah, yeah.
Taking over that part and beinglike, okay, I have to, it has to
match the level that they're at.
It has to match the bigger.
It's just interesting becausethere's almost this like, ugh,
like there's like this I don'tknow how to describe it.
You know what I mean?
Like the the anime, sort of likethere's a melodrama to it uh and
a flourish in a way, I feellike.

SPEAKER_02 (33:42):
It's so much in your breath.
Yes, it really is.
It's so much either it's thelike I'm just an anime guy who
just is kind of talking tomyself.
It's just a little these are myinner thoughts.

SPEAKER_03 (33:53):
Or if there's something big happening, yeah.
Oh no!

SPEAKER_02 (33:56):
And I think a lot of that too, with with culture of
of of Japan and America's hasthose differences.
Uh, where when I was talkingwith um uh oh my god, when I was
talking with the director, uhMichael, um uh he mentioned that
uh I did a class with him onetime.
Like they do sometimes workshopsand YAV posts to like drunk.

(34:19):
Oh, yeah.
I didn't know that.
But there are some that theyhave done uh like just are they
bait?
They're here in the New York andin California.
Oh, okay.
I was gonna say I was like, theythey hang out mostly in
California and then they theyhave people in New York that
they do their work from.
Gotcha, gotcha.
But uh one thing that hementioned when I was doing uh uh

(34:41):
actually it was cool.
We did a text for something I'vealready auditioned for, so I
chose to do the same thing Iauditioned for to see like how
it goes.
And what he mentioned was likethere's something about
professing your love to peoplethat in Japan is a little bit
different.
There is an emotioness to itthat that uh an emotioness,
there's an emotion to it thatcomes from uh a place of like

(35:04):
I'm I'm putting my heartstraight out on the plate for
you.
Yeah, so it's that moment ofgoing like it is fully.
I'm in love with you.
You know, like that that is athing that is not easy to to to
capture, and I think it could beso easily satirized and like
parodied, which is why I thinkpeople try to say, stay away
from doing like the anime voice.

SPEAKER_03 (35:24):
That's so fascinating.
It's almost Shakespearean in away, yeah.
In that, like what they'resaying is what they believe and
mean 100%.
And like, unless they've toldyou otherwise, they're set
they're telling you the truth,the full and honest truth.

SPEAKER_02 (36:02):
That's something with anime that it took me a
while to grasp growing up,because you know, like sometimes
in shows you watch something andthey're like, it's a mystery,
and someone's like, What do youthink that could be?
It's like, well, it could bebecause of this.
Yeah, but you're in your head,you're all like, well, it isn't,
because it's the beginning ofthe act, and they're gonna find
out that that's not actually it.
But they're since an anime whenthey're like, it must be
something like this.
That's probably it.

(36:22):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, that's they're like Iwonder if it's the flux
capacitor going at full speed at100%.
Yeah, it is.
Yeah, that's that's what it is.

SPEAKER_03 (36:31):
Definitely it.
This is back to the future,definitely.
The flux capacitor you justthrew in there.
I love that.
This is Lipton Classics, folks.
This is where we go through theclassic ten questions that James
Lipton used to ask at the end ofthe Inside the Actor's Studio.
May he rest in peace.

(36:51):
Uh, and these were originallydevised by the French journalist
Bernard Pivot.
And uh, we're gonna start withthose questions right now.
There's ten of them.
And the first question, youready, Harley?
I am ready.
All right, here we go.
First question is what is yourfavorite word?
You can take your time.
I will cut out so much hair.
Don't worry.
Everybody does it.

SPEAKER_02 (37:11):
It's gonna be so stupid.

SPEAKER_03 (37:12):
It it's people either go with like meaning or
like how it t or tastes.
It's chicken.
Is it chicken?

SPEAKER_02 (37:22):
Chicken's my word.
Do you know why?
I would love to know.
It's not necessarily because theword chicken sounds good.
It's because I was gonna say, Ithought you were gonna say
because chicken tastes good.
It's because it's either chickenor taco.
And it has nothing to do with meenjoying either.
It just has to do with wheneverI make up shit that is like as a

(37:44):
kid, just random words, improv.
It would always come down tolike chicken taco.
Where or like chicken, you youknow, I have no idea what you're
talking about.
It's just the word if you wereto think about like a word that
comes to your mind first.
Here's what I'll say.
That's my word.

SPEAKER_03 (38:05):
You know what it is?
It was the first thing thatpopped in my head.
Fair enough.
But you know what?
Chicken, chicken looks like achicken.
You know what I mean?
So it's like something by justlike, yeah, I don't know why.
It's a bizarre word, but I'mlike, yeah, you're a that's a
chicken.
That's a chicken.
It's a weird little chicken.
You know, yeah.
The more I keep saying it, it itsounds crazy.

SPEAKER_02 (38:26):
The word chicken.
You say anything enough times,and of course, like purple.

SPEAKER_03 (38:31):
Purple enough becomes you know what?
That one's the exception to therule.
Also, my freaking computer ismaking so much noise.
Um uh chicken.
Chicken.
I'll go, let's do it.
Yeah.
Um, second question.
What is your least favoriteword?

SPEAKER_02 (38:49):
Not chicken.

SPEAKER_03 (38:50):
Not chicken.
Least favorite word, probably.
Probably, probably.
Is it like uh just because youdon't like you do you not like
wishy-washiness?
I hate wishy-washiness.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (39:01):
I don't like, especially even like in
politics, like when you seepeople being like, it's probably
about a thousand dollars, orthere's probably the this big
thing that's gonna be happeningthat affects you.
Yeah, you're like, oh, probablythat.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (39:16):
He'll probably do this, he'll probably do that.
Well, when you mentioned tacobefore, I thought maybe that was
political.
And I was like, I'm all for it.

SPEAKER_02 (39:24):
I I do love taco.

SPEAKER_03 (39:27):
But that's a good one, probably.
That's a good one.

SPEAKER_02 (39:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (39:30):
What turns you on?
This doesn't have to be sexual.

SPEAKER_02 (39:37):
We both looked at each other.

SPEAKER_03 (39:40):
I was just like, I should clarify.

SPEAKER_02 (39:42):
What turns me on?

SPEAKER_03 (39:43):
Yeah, it can be anything.
Anything that like just engagesthe mind.
Or the loins.

SPEAKER_02 (39:50):
I like I like this.
Uh like you know conversation.
Good conversation.
I love I you know what it'sbecause I don't love to I love
to talk, but I don't love totalk to everybody.
You know what I mean?
Sure, I probably get that joband I work, you know, a lot of
hours and I work early hours andI'm dealing with Rockwell

(40:14):
Center.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And as I was saying, how there'sthat like there's this.
Is that a mall?
I'm sorry, I'm not gonna be abig thing.
Rockville Center is a town.
Like Rockwell Center, yes.
Garden City, you know, GardenCity.
Of course.
You know the vibe of GardenCity?
Yeah.
It's imagine that, but lawyersinstead of dark.

SPEAKER_03 (40:30):
Yeah.
I like Garden City.
It's like it's peaceful.
Or at least last time I wasthere, it's been a little while.

SPEAKER_02 (40:36):
I love Rockville Center.
If you're watching this and I amyour barista, I love you
probably, maybe.
Probably.
Maybe.
Oh, I am done.
But uh I think you've gained thetruth of actually what I I I
don't I don't love talking toeverybody.
I get that.
It's not it's not fun,especially when you're just I

(40:57):
for a person that I think I'mvery social, but I'm also
antisocial.

SPEAKER_03 (41:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (41:01):
So I can be very happy being alone.

SPEAKER_03 (41:04):
But when I find a person that I feel uh like a
spark of mutual interest, likereally strong passionate mutual
interest.
Yeah, there's nothing better.

SPEAKER_02 (41:13):
And to be honest, I don't feel this with many
people.
Sure.
So the fact that, like, I youknow thanks, babe.
I love you, man.
I love you, babe.
I really genuinely like I getnervous about all things,
including even this.
Coming here, I'm just like,gotta make sure I say the right
thing.
Or like, what if I uh what ifI'm standing weird?
What if I'm weird?

SPEAKER_03 (41:30):
Buddy, don't worry.
Dude, I I suffer with anxietyand depression.
I take medication for it.
I totally get it.
Is it raw dogging?
Dude, if if you're ever, youknow, ever feeling like you need
it, like, go for it.
It it really does help a lot.
Okay.
It really does.
Um, not not to, you know, I'm noone's doctor or therapist here,

(41:51):
but you know, I found like Iwent through grad school with
that level of anxiety anddepression going on.
It was really difficult.
I got a lot out of it, but it Ialso realized like I just put a
lot of pressure to be good onthis thing.
And it's the quickest way tolike just kill it for yourself.

(42:12):
And fall out of love with it.
Fall out of love with it, andalso just like you won't it it's
harder to book that way.
Yeah, you know, it's uh it'sit's much harder.
Um not that I'm saying that'sthat's where you're at, but that
was something I experiencedhaving.

SPEAKER_02 (42:26):
If you hold sand in your hand, yeah gently, yeah, it
will stay there.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (42:31):
If you hold it really tight, it's gonna fall
through the cracks.
That's a great metaphor.
Yeah.
Thanks, mom.
Is that a mom ism?
That's from my mom.
I don't know if she came up withit, but that's that's so true.
Yeah, it's really true.
Um what turns you off?
You'll see a pattern to thesequestions.

SPEAKER_02 (42:50):
I I think like and this even like I guess is on
myself.

SPEAKER_03 (42:57):
Um I don't like phoniness.
Oh, we got a Holden Caulfield inour mo or in our midst.
I get that no, I feel that, man.
Yeah, being a phony.
You know, I'm gonna do it.
Put on a mask to sort of appeaseothers.

SPEAKER_02 (43:08):
Right.
Yeah.
But not even just to appeaseothers, but just like the vibe
of just feeling like a person isdoing something that is not
genuine.
Yeah.
Um, even if it's, you know, justconversation.
You know, and I try to, when Italk to people, even customers,
like I don't want to ever fallfor the the cynicism that I
think you know befalls mostpeople working minimum wage

(43:32):
jobs, which is that like Ifucking hate everybody.
Yeah.
And every person that comes in,you're just gonna ruin my day.
And now my day's ruined, and I Ijust need to get through this
day.
And it's like, that's time,that's your life, that's like
that you're wasting.
So it's I I've learned to try tojust I don't know, kill people
with kindness, or yeah, and andI've even found like some of the

(43:53):
people I dislike the most thatare my customers love me now
because of the fact that I havejust tried to be nice to them
because you never know, youknow, what people are going
through and things like that.
So true, man.
So like to see a person justdoing all of the motions and
like the like how to win friendsand influence others, and you
could tell they just read thatbook is like and you're just

(44:16):
like they're new.
Hi, how's it going?
Brian, did you say Brian?
Yeah, nice to meet you, Brian.

SPEAKER_03 (44:20):
And you're just like they're just like using every
toolbox, like tool in thetoolbox of like how to be
sociable instead of just likeallowing it to be a free.
Just like acting, yeah, justbeing like a person.

SPEAKER_02 (44:30):
You could do all the steps, but if you're not putting
like yourself in the role, it'sjust gonna sound like you're
copying someone else.

SPEAKER_03 (44:36):
I mean, that was like one of the biggest reasons
why I went to grad school, Ifeel like, because I felt that I
was good at constructingcharacter, but I wasn't
necessarily good at bringingmyself to the character.
Me too.
And it's like creating characteris great, that is a skill, and
like is necessary if you want todo character stuff.
And but at the end of the day,if there's no authenticity

(44:58):
living behind this curated map.
As beautiful as it may be andinteresting as it may be, it's
it's gonna fall short.
A hundred percent.
Uh authenticity.
It's it really is like it goes along way.
It's interesting, and I think aa couple of people have given a
similar answer to that aboutlike, yeah, people being like
not uh yeah, just authenticity.

SPEAKER_02 (45:21):
And I honestly turned off all that criticism
towards it because I sometimes II'm trying to work on it, but I
feel like even myself I've feltinauthentic.
And I think felt that thus far,if that's anything you can.
I I don't feel it now.
Yeah.
Um, but I guess growing up, youwant to be cool, you wanna you
wanna say the right things.

(45:41):
Of course.
So I was always a yes man.
I always just kind of wantedpeople I didn't want to make
waves.
I would just listen to whatpeople said and I'd kind of just
yes and agree.

SPEAKER_03 (45:48):
Not a lot.
Yeah, I feel you, man.

SPEAKER_02 (45:50):
And it's just not, you know, it doesn't work.
You can't make true friendsuntil you finally start saying
your opinions.
And you also hear them go, Idon't agree with that.
Yeah.
And you have to learn to, youknow, how to communicate that.

SPEAKER_03 (46:04):
Yeah.
And how to do that without itturning into like a fight or
yeah, or like creating such adivide that just doesn't help us
live next to each other withmore ease, you know.
Um is your favorite curse word?

SPEAKER_02 (46:22):
Twat.
Twat! Twat's a good one.

SPEAKER_03 (46:25):
I think that's the first what time anyone said
twat.
Hell yeah.
I was bugger shit, but that'seasy.
It's easy.
Fuck is you know, fuck isuniversal, but twat is good.

SPEAKER_02 (46:32):
Twat twat.
It sounds better with an accent.
Like, do you know what's goingon?
Oh, well, do you rememberMisfits?

SPEAKER_03 (46:38):
Misfits.
It was you know what's I feellike I sometimes mix that's a
British show, right?
It's a British show.
I saw I think I sometimes mixthat one up with weekenders.
The weekenders?
Was it the weekenders?
Is it about a group of kids?

SPEAKER_02 (46:52):
Or high schools kind of like uh ish.
Uh what's the the in-betweeners?
The in betweeners.
That's it.
So in betweeners.
Yeah.
Show is so that they fuckingsilly.
Uh this was a show about um,it's right up.
It's just my alley.
Superheroes, fantasy, I love it.
So it's it's about a bunch ofpeople that are in community

(47:13):
service that get struck bylightning and gain powers.
Oh.
And they uh they don't becomesuperheroes, they just live as
they would, but but with powers.
Interesting.
So like they accidentally killtheir probation worker and they
have to cover up the body, andthen like that happens multiple

(47:35):
times.
What a bizarre.
Dude, it's so good.
But you gotta watch this.
You know Umbrella Academy?

SPEAKER_03 (47:39):
Yeah, yeah.
You know the guy who plays.
I mean I haven't watched it, butI I know I know enough of it
too.

SPEAKER_02 (47:43):
Robert, fuck, I'm forgetting his name, but he
plays I think his name wasCurtis.
Was he on that show?
He's on that show.
On both, yeah.
He's in Misfits as well.
He plays Nathan in Misfits.
He's like, I've I've startedwith powers, my career will
continue with powers.
Yes.
He's got an Irish accent, and Ijust love when he would just go,
twat.

SPEAKER_03 (48:04):
I love it.
So that's my what sound or noisedo you love?
A cat's purr.
Dude.
I agree.
Yeah.
I uh I accidentally deleted mycat's purr from my phone.

(48:25):
I I'm I'm pretty sure I have notbeen able to find it.
And it's one of those thingsthat I'm like, wow, if I could
get any audio file back, I itwould be that one.
I miss it.
I miss him so much.
But yeah, it's it's a it's areally soothing sound.
And when it's your own cat, man,it's a different level, isn't

(48:48):
it?
It's just a different level ofpeace.
That makes me want to like justtake my microphone up to all of
them.
Oh my god, dude.
I mean, we what let's do that.
Let's create a look just aseries called Caps Purs.

SPEAKER_02 (49:00):
It's like a mini podcast of the podcast.

SPEAKER_03 (49:05):
30-second clips of just all the different purrs of
cats.
So relaxing.
That would be relaxing.
One of them is just like whatsound or noise do you hate?

SPEAKER_02 (49:21):
I've a bunch, but I have two.
You name a couple.
Two I'm thinking of.
Um, I hate the sound of leafblowers.
Really?
Yeah.
They are annoying, aren't they?
I hate it just one because ofvoiceover, because anytime that
I'm sitting in my house.
So you have an association toit.
I'm just, I'm trying to getsomething done.
And I'm in this hot ass closet.
I feel my booth is right there,by the way.

SPEAKER_03 (49:44):
I'll show it to you later.
Yeah.
But yeah, it this is the hardesttime of the year, too, for it.
It's the sweat, and because it'ssummertime, more people are
outside doing that kind of yardwork.
So it's like very residentialareas.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (50:00):
So like all of a sudden you just hear, and I'm
just like, it is yeah, that's agreat answer.
I'm sure a lot of voiceoverpeople will hear.
It's that and there's thissound.
And I Sarah thinks I'm crazy, soI need to bring it up.
Please.
There's a sound in some housesin front of a house that when

(50:20):
you pass or walk by it or driveby it, you'll hear this very
high-pitched sound.

SPEAKER_03 (50:27):
From a house.

SPEAKER_02 (50:28):
From a house.
Just walk away.
Like, you know that mosquitosound?
Like, you know, like you wouldhear like the sound to some like
convenience stores put them outin front to like start people
from loitering.
Oh, is it oh, is it like ahigh-pitched noise?

SPEAKER_03 (50:41):
It's just a noise, or is it coming from a device
that's being used on the like alike a mosquito catcher or
something like that?

SPEAKER_02 (50:49):
I think it might be like a security system.
Oh, interesting.
But I hear it, and every timeSarah and I walk by the house,
we'll hear this me, and I go, Doyou hear that?
And she's like, No.
And I'm like, Maybe you're amisfit, man.

SPEAKER_03 (51:00):
Dude, maybe you hear things other people don't hear.
And all they're saying is,really high-pitched noise.
I'm like, Yeah.
It's like, oh my god, unfinishedbusiness sounds terrible.
That'll be the bleep sound ifyou have to bleep anything.
That's interesting.
I don't know that I've heardthat.

(51:21):
Maybe you do have something.
Maybe I'm crazy.
Maybe you hear something on adifferent level that people
can't.
I don't know.
Maybe you do.
This doesn't make me feelbetter.
I'm trying to make you soundlike a superhero.

SPEAKER_02 (51:32):
Okay, no, I like that.
Use it to your advantagesomehow.
Yeah, because if I hear any formof advice at one point, like go
to the mountain.

SPEAKER_03 (51:40):
I get powers, I build in and they will come.
That'll be it.
Um what profession other thanyour own would you like to
attempt?
Attempt.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (51:50):
Attempt.

SPEAKER_03 (51:51):
That's interesting that it just says attempt.
Not even.
I mean, I guess try.

SPEAKER_02 (51:59):
Attempt.
Hmm.

SPEAKER_03 (52:00):
I think they're kind of assuming you will fail at it
in a way.
Try or fail.

SPEAKER_02 (52:05):
You know, the world of stunts sounds pretty cool.

SPEAKER_03 (52:08):
Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (52:08):
Or even That's a great answer.
Yeah, like that's cool.
Yeah.
I did martial arts from likemost of my life up until like
college.
I I got very busy.
What'd you do?
Uh I did Kenpo.
Taekwondo.

SPEAKER_03 (52:19):
Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (52:20):
Yeah, man.
I got to Black Belt and then Istopped because two.

SPEAKER_03 (52:24):
Oh, yeah?
Fuck yeah.
Let's fucking spar someday,dude.
Three.
Two.
One.
Yeah.
Oh my god, we'll do our ownMortal Kombat.
But that's cool.
So uh I don't know that thatthat form as well.

SPEAKER_02 (52:37):
But like Kenpo, it's uh it's it was actually invented
from farm tools.
So it was like both staff camefrom people that would hold the
like the the the crates of waterlike on each side and um so like
a lot of farm tools up untilit's very like um there was a
UFC fighter that was known forKempo early on.

(52:58):
Chuck Liddell.
Chuck Liddell's name.
I think that's a name.
She was a Kenpo fighter, andthey're more uh on their feet,
not on the ground fighter.
And it's more like brutal, whereit's like a dude's trying to
take your wallet, you break hisarm, you claw them in the eyes,
you hit them in the throat, andthen you get out of it.
Yeah, it's very like end it andleave.

SPEAKER_03 (53:25):
Yeah, and getting away.
Right.
If you can get away, get away.
If you can't, this is what youwill use.
And once you have an out, go.

SPEAKER_02 (53:32):
Do you find, I know I'm gonna ask you a question.
Do you find that martial artshas given you a discipline in
life that yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (53:39):
Yes.
W without a doubt.
And doing it early on in lifetoo.
So I had a friend, I had afriend, John Malfitano, if
you're listening, man.
It's been a while.
Let's hang out, man.
Uh, he got me into it.
He was one of my best friendsgrowing up.
Um, and uh he was a black beltin Taekwondo by the time he was
in second grade.
Oh my god it was fucking nuts.
Wow.
Um, but he inspired me to getinto it because I thought that

(54:01):
was just so cool.
Yeah um and it yeah, it taughtme like everything about
discipline.
Um that and my father bringingus there, and my dad was also
just an extremely disciplinedindividual.
Uh, but that definitely therigor of just like going to do
something that is hard is notnecessarily something I enjoyed.

(54:22):
Yeah, it was very exhausting,yeah, but it was probably the
best shape I've ever been in inmy life.

SPEAKER_02 (54:28):
And it makes you a person like I I feel safer out
in the world.

SPEAKER_03 (54:32):
Knowing that, like if someone comes at me, like I
would be sloppy, I'm sure.
You can always get caught bysurprise.
But the thing is, like, I knowwhat to do.
It's funny, actually.
Now that I'm saying this, I willknow what to do in the future
forever now.
Now that I've been in a fight.
Oh.
I think I've told this storybefore.

(54:53):
I don't know if I should tellthis whole story.
I'll I'll tell a part of it.
Um all this to say, I got in afight and someone pulled a
knife.
It was very scary.
And I stopped myself fromfollowing my instinct.
What was your instinct?
My instinct was to kick him.
Okay.
And to or to kick his hand as Isaw him pulling it out.

(55:16):
And I stopped myself.
And then he swiped at my friendand he hit him in the arm.
Thankfully, the knife was dull.
It was he was just using it tointimidate, and he it was very
st this man was incrediblystupid because he lost his
leverage by doing that.
Okay.
Because he was a so to so therethere's context.

(55:38):
He was he and uh this personthat he was with, are uh the the
attackers were choking someoneon the street in New York City
in broad daylight, not broaddaylight, it was at night, but
in a public area.
Me and my friend intervened anduh we overpowered him quick
pretty quickly, and then hepulled a knife.

(55:58):
And then he it was one of thosethings where I I dropped my
instinct to to hit because Ididn't want to hurt somebody.
But in that moment I realized ohwow, he could have hurt my
friend.
Like he successfully hit him.
Right.
And it could have been wayworse.
It could have been worse, yeah.
And I really wish the moment Ihad done that, I just followed

(56:18):
through on what I was taught andI didn't.
But now that I know that that'ssomething that happens, like
there's just like do nothesitate.

SPEAKER_02 (56:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (56:27):
It's that that that one like it's split moment
decision.

SPEAKER_02 (56:31):
Where like yes, martial arts does tell you to
try to avoid conflict, but onceyou're there, you can't.

SPEAKER_03 (56:35):
Oh, and we were boxed in where the area we were
into.
It was like part of this, uh itwas part of a restaurant.
It was like outdoor seating.
Okay.
But it was like it was boxedoff, so we were essentially
enclosed, so there was no way toget away.
Also, it was there with myfriend.
Yeah, and it's like I'm notrunning away and abandoning my
friend.
I'm not gonna do that.
Um but it was a pretty intenseexperience, but I am weirdly

(56:59):
glad I've had it because now Iknow if I am ever, I hope, knock
on wood, I uh if that I'm neverin another fight.
But if I am, I'm not gonnahesitate to like do what I know
is going to disfuse thesituation.
Because I'm trained in it.

SPEAKER_01 (57:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (57:16):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 (57:16):
You know, in Kenpo they have a saying that I I just
I love.
It's it's the I think it'sbasically the mantra, which is
uh I come to you with emptyhands.
I pray that I will not have touse them.
But if my family, my life, or myuh you know friends are in
jeopardy, these are my weapons.
Yeah.
And it's that like karate is atreasure that should be oh wow,

(57:38):
I still remember it.
Karate is a sacred treasure thatshould be kept hidden from view.
But a similar thing.
But if my blah bla family honor,you know, if my thing, these
these are my weapons, karate.

SPEAKER_03 (57:49):
So it's just it's very uh but it's I mean it's
it's interesting now, like it'sinteresting that we're talking
about this because like my mindjust immediately goes to
everything going on in thiscountry and just like how
devastating certain things areand how it's very easy for us to
say like def how to defendyourself, yeah.
Is like we won't hesitate to dothat, but we're in a system now

(58:12):
where if you do attack I'mspeaking, I'm talking about ice,
I'll just be perfectly honest,and the violence that they put
through and attack like fightingback is such a different
recourse.
Yeah, it's it's I I'd never wantto condone violence, but it's
like what i i it it goes back tothis tenet of like I'm coming to

(58:34):
you not being violent, but ifyou're being violent towards my
family, what do you expect?
Yeah like what do you expect?
Right.
And I think there's just acomplete and utter lack of
regard for that understanding.
Yeah when your loved ones arebeing thrown down by complete
strangers, uh how do you expectthem to restrain themselves from

(58:59):
trying to protect them?
It's just so ridiculous to me.
So I I just felt I needed to beclear about that.
Yeah, totally.
Because it can be very easy insituations where you're not
dealing with law enforcement,where it's just other people
being fucking stupid and causingharm.
But uh something to think about,folks.

(59:19):
Anyway, let's move on.
What profession would you notlike to do?
Ice agents.

SPEAKER_00 (59:24):
ICE agents.

SPEAKER_03 (59:27):
Uh uh.

SPEAKER_00 (59:30):
Yeah, I mean, yeah.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (59:31):
Uh I anything that involves sitting down for long
extended periods of time, I feelthat.
I can't do.
I just can't.
I like a desk job, I could Icould I it would kill me.
Yeah.
It would kill me.
And not even because it's likeit's not fulfilling or it
wouldn't pay well or anythinglike that.

SPEAKER_03 (59:51):
It is physically demanding to sit at a desk for
nine hours five days a week.

SPEAKER_02 (59:55):
That's a long time or even like here, like I
probably shifted my position acouple of times.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:00):
Like, I think this is also the worst fucking couch.
We are in the process of gettingrid of this motherfucking couch.
Where uh, but yeah, no, I feelthat.
Sitting for long periods oftime, it's like it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 (01:00:10):
It just it it might I I wish that during school I
could have paced my testsbecause I think I would have
done a lot better if I'd like aclipboard.
Literally, but that's back andforth.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:19):
That's a I love that idea.
Yeah.
If you want to walk around,that's actually I love that.
I wish we had maybe they'd belike, it shouldn't be like look
over your people.
It's like fine, put me in aroom.
But how can I do that?
If the one dude walking aroundwas just like, but if they have
if they allow it for you, they'dallow it for everybody.
Everybody's just walking in acircle.
Yeah.

(01:00:40):
Last question.
Music stops in your chair.
Shit, shit, shit.
Last question.
If heaven exists, what would youlike to hear God say when you
arrive at the Pearly Gates?

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:55):
Yeah.
He's a bro.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:57):
He's just a total bro, God.
Um that's a that's a very goodquestion.
A lot of people have had goodanswers for this one.
No pressure.
Sorry, I shouldn't have saidthat.
That that was adding pressurefor no reason.
Pressure.
Uh so St.
Peter's like, Harley, good foryou.
You gotta tick it.
Go on inside, he's waiting.

(01:01:18):
Or she, or they.

SPEAKER_02 (01:01:19):
I would probably wish that maybe that they would
say, like, I hope you achievedeverything that you wanted to
get out of Earth of your life.
I hope the moments that you had,whether they felt long or short,
you really appreciated and livedthem to the fullest.

(01:01:42):
And I hope that he would belike, it's gonna continue from
here.
The people that you love arehere, and you're gonna have
those times to spend with them.
That would be that would bebeautiful.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:53):
You're pretty fucking rad.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Beautiful, man.
Thanks.
Well, Harley.
This is the end of the episode,man.
That went so quick.
I know, dude.
It always flies by.
Uh, that was so fun, dude.
Oh, your work on the ground.
Tony Hawk! Tony! Tony, I'msorry! Tony Tony! Tony Hawk.
Well, um, got anything you'reworking on right now or anything

(01:02:14):
coming out that you can talkabout?
Behind uh NDA.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:18):
Uh okay, so I have I've got um I've got a film
coming out at some point that Iworked on.
Uh I'm wearing a mask.
You won't see my face, butyou'll hear me.
Classic.
Uh I did that for the blacklisttoo.
I was like in a gas mask.
Really?

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:33):
Oh shit, we didn't talk about blacklist.
Uh we we can talk about it someother time.
We exactly.
Yeah, exactly.
Uh, but that's fucking great,man.
Yeah.
So do you have any idea whenthat you don't know when it
comes out or anything?

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:44):
When it's coming out, I think that it's going
into the festival process, and Ithink they'll probably do a
showing either in New York orPhilly.
I think that's when they'retalking about it.
But it's a really cool project.
It's uh I play a small part onit.
It's a sci-fi.
I don't know if I could talk toomuch about it, but it's like
psychological thriller in a Ithink like a post-apocalyptic
kind of world, and it's theexperience of the person and

(01:03:06):
their memories and how they getdistorted and things like that.
And time is very blended throughthis, where like there's the
past and the present and thefuture, and it's all blending in
this weird area, and it's very,very cute.
That would be pretty cool.
Then I got I I I've startedworking with this theater
company uh out in East Rockaway.
It's called Strongbox Theater.

(01:03:27):
Used to be a bank, used to be abig chase bank, and they've
repurposed it into like theirown theater, and it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:32):
We love hearing that.
Yeah.
When a bank gets turned into atheater neck or the other way
around.
Jesus.
My old Hollywood video in myhometown turned into a bank.
That was one of the statusthings I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_02 (01:03:46):
That sucks.
I loved Hollywood.
Me too, man.
Uh, I don't have a projectcoming out at the moment with
them.
They want me to audition forsomething as long as the
scheduling workout, that wouldbe really cool.
But um my fiance, Sarah, I'mactually gonna plug her, is
currently in the play.
Uh there's three of them, andit's uh out in East Rockaway
right now.
And the show is great, thetheater's great, there's a bar
with small plates, the food'sgood.

(01:04:06):
So if you're in Long Island,you're looking for actual good
theater that's not justmusicals, this is the place to
go because it's straight playsand it's really cool.
So amazing! Yeah, and then I gotuh, you know, check out my my
IMDB if you wanna I IMDB, if youwant to find any anything that
I've done that I can't, youknow, talk about or mention.

(01:04:27):
And follow my instances.
You can look at them uh and staytuned because down the line in
the future, at some point soonish, I'll be able to mention
another cool NDA project.
Love it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:39):
Dude, this was so much fun.
Thanks for coming, Harley.
Really appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:04:43):
It's been an absolute pleasure, yeah, dude.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:45):
All right, y'all.
That has been this week'sepisode of the Working Class
Acts Podcast.
We'll see you next week.
Bye.