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May 18, 2024 10 mins
WE SPEAK WITH MICHAEL CHOROST, AUTHOR OF “WORLD WIDE MIND: THE COMING INTEGRATION OF HUMANITY, MACHINES AND THE INTERNET” WHICH TAKES MIND-TO-MIND COMMUNICATION OUT OF THE REALM OF SCIENCE FICTION AND REVEALS HOW WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF A RADICAL NEW UNDERSTANDING OF HUMAN INTERACTION.
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You're listening to American Medicine Today,presented by the Benati Spine Institute, featuring
internationally acclaimed inventor of the Benati Spineprocedures, Alfred Benati, MD. Once
again, your host Kimberly Burmel Benatiand co host Ethan Yuger. Thank you
for listening to American Medicine Today.I'm Kimberly Benati alongside Ethan Yucker and world

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renowned orthopedic surgeon, doctor Alfred Benati. Well, we have an exciting guest
on the line joining us as MichaelChorust, a technology theorist and author of
Worldwide Mind, The Coming Integration ofHumanity, Machines and the Internet. And
what makes Michael an expert on thistopic is the fact that his body is

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the future. Of course, we'lllet him explain that, but thanks for
joining us, Michael, my pleasure. Thank you very much for inviting me.
Absolutely when I saw your book,Michael, I thought this is absolutely
definitely up our alley. But youknow, I'm obsessed with science fiction and
technology and things like that. Nutshell, Michael, you were born with hearing

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deficiency because your mother had rubella whileshe was pregnant with you you were able
to solve that problem by having hearingaids throughout your life. Then one day
you just boom lost your hearing completelycorrect that it is correct, time went
deaf, not just the hearing disability, completely deaf. So how did you
overcome that? You became sort ofbionic? Explain that to people, not

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sort of bionic, bionic for real, like our cochlear implants and those consist
of computer chips that are implanted inthe head and connected to the orditity nerve
and wear external processors on my earsthat look like hearing aids, but their
function is to take sound and senddata to the chips, which then trigger

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my orditoring nerve and that's what enablesme to hear. It's pretty amazing.
I know you have videos up onYouTube and things like that. There's also
been a lot of examples of thistechnology going viral recently where there's children that
are three four years old that havebeen completely deaf. They've had these cochlear
implants and they turn them on andthey can hear their mother's voice for the

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first time. It's pretty amazing stuff. So, Michael, once you got
those cochlear implants, what led youto sort of think even further outside the
box into the future of melding manand machine. Well, that was my
goal to think outside the box.So the question for me was, if
you can do this to a humanear, in other words, if you

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can make a brain believe that it'shearing by sending electrical signals to it,
how much further can you go withthat technology? And what did you find
out? I know you visited withsome engineers and things like that, these
guys that build wearable computers which allowusers to be online every waking moment.
When I hear that, I think, why would that ever be necessary?
Aren't we online enough? Well,the book was an amazing journey of discovery

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because when it began writing it,I believe that the book would argue then
it wasn't possible. I thought Iwas going to end up saying there really
is no way that you can knowwhat's going on in another person's mind,
that this is something that will foreverbe impossible. In writing the book actually
changed my mind. I found outthat there actually are ways to do this

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kind of thing, and there areways in theory that you could do it
with considerably more facility than we have. Now, let me give you an
example to make this concrete instead vague. So euroscientists think that every idea or

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sensation or visual perception has some analogin the way neurons fire in your brain.
It's got to be that way,because if there wasn't some kind of
neural collection in your brain that recognizedan apple, you would have no way
of being able to recognize an apple. So brain's got some kind of long

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term storage going on in the waysneurons connect to each other. So some
scientists call that storage an n gram. That there are n grams for many
different concepts and objects and words andfeelings and so forth. So the basic
question I asked in my book was, if you can figure out which end
grams the brain activates for a givenset of impression, say seeing an apple,

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feeling happy, thinking Miami, Florida. If you can figure that out
and then trigger those neurons deliberately tomake the brain experience that endingram, could
you use that to set up avery new kind of two ry communication between
human beings by detecting the activation ofen grams and triggering the activation of en

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grams between two people and a distancewho want to communicate the kind of pelepathy.
This is all pretty deep stuff.I know you talk about in your
book Worldwide Mind. About this WorldwideMind, can you explain what that would
be? I don't know. Ifwe would want everyone's minds linked up to
each other to know what everyone's innermost, deepest, darkest thoughts are might be

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a bit scary, but it's interesting. Well, let me be clear about
the authorial stance in which I waswriting the book. I was not saying
that this is possible. Now.I wasn't saying that it will be possible,
nor was I saying it would necessarilybe desirable. What I was saying
is that technology's advanced to a pointwhere you can begin to think about such

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things, and that was my goalin the book. So to give you
an example, why would you wantto do such a thing? Why would
people get brain or plans to sendimages of apples back and forth to each
other. It sounds ridiculous, right, But take a quick historical detour and
think about how difficult it would havebeen for you to explain email and Twitter
and Facebook to somebody in the yearnineteen eighty. That's true. They just

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don't have the social context in whichthose technologies make sense. But we're constantly
interviewing companies that are wanting to dobrain computer interfaces. So we were amazed
by your book Worldwide Mind. Wethought it kind of pulled it all together.

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How far off do you think weare from some of this stuff,
Mike? You know I didn't offerany concrete prognostications because that wasn't my goal.
You know, I wasn't saying justtwenty years off, thirty years off,
that's an unknown question. What Iwas trying to do was trying to
say, if this did happen,what kind of society would you need to
make it make sense? So Igave you some example. So think for

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a minute. You mentioned to methat you discussed the Arab Spring last year.
So this is a kind of revolutionthat is enabled by people being ample
to send text metches back and forthon a collective basis. So that kind
of political revolution was enabled by atechnology that enables rapid collective communication. Well,

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on Twitter, it's text. SoI asked in the book, well,
why stop a text? What aboutfeelings? What if people allowed other
people to have information about the whattheir brains are feeling at that moment?
Whether you're feeling happy or sad,or frightened or in pain. This would
be a very different kind of communication. This is not like sending text messages

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back and forth. Is getting asense of saying how a country like each
of the feels at one particular momentin time, and letting people around the
world have access to that sensation.In the book, I call this telempathy
rather than telepathy, because there'll bea collective sending of feelings around the planet

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instead of language. So to us, the sounds extremely strange and science fiction,
and it is. But the reasonis we don't have a society in
which such communication makes sense. Yet. That's exactly right. And I mean
if you kind of alluded to ita little bit earlier, but I mean
even fifteen years ago, if youhad told someone that due to something called

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Twitter, it would lead to revolutionin Egypt, people would have said,
you're out of your mind. Andthat was just fifteen years ago, So
well, we're out of time.Mike so Kimberly Mike Courus, a technology
theorist and author of Worldwide Mind,The Coming Integration of Humanity, Machines and
the Internet. Well, thank youvery much for joining us. When you
come out with something else, letus know. We'll have you back on

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to discuss. Thanks Mike, thankyou. I have a good one.
Well that wraps up American medicine todaythis week. Check us out anytime on
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