August 20, 2024 • 20 mins
On Sports Fix with D'Arcy Waldegrave for Tuesday 20 August 2024 - Former Team New Zealand Director, Jim Farmer KC, talks about why people remain 'dismayed' with the Americas Cup being raced in Barcelona - have New Zealanders finally fallen out of love with Team NZ?
D'Arcy delivers an opinion piece on what's next for Israel Adesanya.
Plus, Newstalk ZB Sports News Director Clay Wilson joins the panel to discuss concerns around the Silver Ferns fitness camps.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is Sportsfix, Howard by News Talks It.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Be Today, Drew, how is it. Welcome into Sports Fix
for a Tuesday. It's the twentieth of August twenty twenty four.
My name's Darcy Walter Grave and this is your weekday
podcast that gives you everything you need to know about
sport and some things quite frankly, you probably didn't coming
up in the program. I'll talk to Jim Farmer KC shortly,
(00:42):
former director of Team New Zealand Books. Of course, the
America's Cup is up and running this week. Are people
still buying into this? Is there a disconnect between the
public and the event, or more importantly, the public and
the team. We'll also talk about USC three oh five.
I've got some opinions on israela Dusna and what may
(01:04):
or may not happen to him after failing to pick
up the stre against Drickist to place over the weekend,
and News Talk ZB director of Sport Clay Wilson joins
us to pick through the big sports stories of the day.
All right, let's good a monkst.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
In other news.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
As for today, the extension of a Black Caps Test
series across the Ditches being hailed as a sign that
Cricket Australia wanted to play New Zealand as much as possible.
Scheduled for the twenty six twenty seventh summer has doubled
from two games to four, including another Boxing Day test
in Melbourne. N z C Chief executive Scott Winning says
(01:45):
that he was in Melbourne meeting with their Australian counterparts
early this month.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
It was also very clear support of the hour of
Gion cricket and how he may are Forgeron cricket to
be strong. So you know they do want to play
us as much as possible.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Expect the contrast between the Tima Parter Bailey's playing and
coaching styles. That's the view from the eighty nine Test.
Silver Fern's veteran and she takes up a new gig
in charge of the Stars A and Z Premiership side.
Ull known for her relentless play on court, Baby admits
she's filtered herself down as a mentor. I think it's.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Smoothing around the edges for my coaching style as opposed
to being a player. My style of.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Coaching is pretty much creating that.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Environmental players to be able to express themself and bringing beer,
flair and talent. And finally, Warriors halfback Shawn Johnson is
overwhelmed by the new generation of NRL players is inspired
throughout his career. The thirty three year old playmaker will
don the Warriors jersey for the final time at home
in Friday night's game against the Bulldogs.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
That was probably the bit that made me realize it
was time to hang them up. When you start playing
against some of these guys that tell your stories about
where they were when I was doing something, I've got
teammates that do it now.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Leading a vix, We've got just the ticket. It's Sports
Vix powered by News Talks IVY.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
It's a warm welcome to Jim Farmer KC for my
team director of a Team New Zealand. As we look
toward the start of the America's Cup coming up later
on the week. It's been a long time in gym,
but here it comes. The action starts. Welcome to the program.
I suppose first up, how dialed aren't they to this
America's Cup? Considering what it's gone through over the last
(03:26):
couple of years.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I'm not dial in it at all. I won't be
watching it. And I think that's true of a lot
of people who have remained dismayed by the fact that
the Cup's been taken offshore.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
You say a lot of people this is in your
friend group, other sailors.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
And all of those, certainly people in my group for community,
people I know who in the past have traveled overseas
when Team New Zealand was a challenger to places like
Valencia and so on, San Francisco. They are not interested
in going to Barcelona too watch us defend the Cup there.
(04:07):
And it's true also of sailors that I know and
I am in the sailing world. I have my own
recent yot.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
It's a disconnect between Emirate's Team New Zealand and the fans,
or Grant Dalton and the fans, or the America's Cup
and the fans. Where do you think the schism is.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
I think as far as New Zealand is a concerned
they feel let down. They've supported New Zealand's attempts to
get the America's Cup from the very beginning nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
In Perth.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
They've supported it when it's been one, when it's been
held here, and they expected it to be held here
when when it continued to be held here, that, after all,
was the whole point of putting money into challenging for
the cup. So I think they do feel very very
let down and don't accept that it could not have
(04:58):
been credibly held here.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
It's one of the basic tenants, isn't it of the
America's Cup? You want it, you defend it at home.
This is kind of screams of America's Cup to me,
So it really flies in the face of a lot
of what this cup's about.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yes, that's that's exactly right, And because the defender, defending
yacht club has the right and to hold the cup
in their in their home waters and that's always nearly
always how it's been.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
With the fan treatment, it feels like lack of respect
to the fan base out there from specifically Grant Dalton
and the people managing it. They appear to be more
interested in funding the defense, but not for the reasons
we think, because it's not coming back. Do you feel
if they do whin they'll ever bring it back? Because
(05:46):
I don't think they will.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I don't think so. I think it'll be sold off
to the highest bidder and some while ago, I heard
an interview by by Grant Dalton in which he talked
about the advantages of taking it to Suthaudi Arabia, where
they did have a preliminary regatta, and how wonderful a
place it was.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Whether he would have while he was there, visited the
public executions, visited the public executions that take place regularly
in Saudi, but I think I would predict that that's
probably where it's going to go next.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Jim I heard exactly the same interview and flattagasid that
already is like wow, if we win, feeling confident, definitely
not coming home. It wasn't a shock or a slap
in the face. It was kind of predictable. But it
summarizes what's going on. So you take that into count.
Do you think people will forgive Grant Dalton for taking
(06:43):
something that essentially New Zealanders feel very engaged and we
feel like it's ours after all the other campaigns, and
it's been whipped away from us. Forgiveness as an interesting concept,
isn't it?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Yes, it is, and it goes us back to the
Peter Blake days and everyone wore red sox to help
out at the time when the team then was short
of money, and it's sort of country got behind that
and has been behind it until now it no longer
(07:14):
is by it now. It's interesting that Toyota's going to
an announcer a tour of New Zealand taking the cup around,
and I think that probably signifies a recognition that the
New Zealand public is no longer supporting Team New Zealand's
effort in defending the Cup.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
It almost feels Jim Farmer to be a desperate move
to try and engage New Zealanders by touring what is it,
magnificent piece of silverware around the country to kind of
curry some favor. Do you think people will buy it that?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I think a lot of people will be curious to
see the cup and they will visit that wherever that
is being displayed. You know, I'm sure that will be
the case, but not to the extent that it would
otherwise have been.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
What about damage to the event and the name of
the America's Cup? Does this do much? Is this a
bit of a shake? Does it wiggle the needle as
far as respect is concerned for it as a holes
that has been so popular, so having it been taken
away and being really about money predominantly so they can
defend it, but it won't come back. Is that damaging?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Do you think?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I think the I think the event has been damaged.
Part of the evidence for that is the popularity of
the sale GP, which is event which is now almost
seen as something that's alternative to the America's Cup.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Is sailing still at that level still relatable to New Zealanders?
There be a lot of New Zealanders out there who
haven't sailed, who don't know, But there's also a huge
amount of people that sailing is a massive part of
their life. But with this this disconnect we speak of,
is it still relatable to the New Zealand the New
Zealand population?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I think I think.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
That question needs to be answered in two ways. That
there are a lot of people who are very impressed
by the technology, the foiling technology and the speed that
the boats get up to. With that, there are other people,
more what I would call the traditional sailing community, who
(09:21):
are less interested in that and who really can't relate
to that because the boats that they do their club
racing and so on. Are not that kind of boat,
and they're never going to be able to have that
kind of boat. So I think it's sort of a
it's a bit of a double edged sword, really.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Jim Farmer, kse, former board member of Director of Team
New Zealand. Do you think it's ever going to come
back here again? Do you think we'll ever see an
America's Cup regatta on our waters?
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Personally, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
So, and that's a shame of way to end. But
we thank you so much for your opinion and wish
you well. Jim Farmer, thanks for your time.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Thank you leading a VEX. We've got just the ticket.
It's sports vix now my news.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Talksv Is it the end of the line for former
middleweight UFC champion Israel EDUSNA? Over the weekend Sunday over
in Perth, UFC three to five unwound and provided again
a particularly aggressive and blood filled spectacle for the fans
(10:27):
of the octagon. There were three fighters from New Zealand
at the promotion, one of them being Cauit Carter France,
the flyweight. The co Maine event did very well and
getting rid of Steve Ersig possibly looking now at a
belt fight sometime in the future. The lightweight division, well
Gam got beaten by Hooker Dan Hooker of course the
(10:47):
Kiwi fresh on signing a five fight deal with the promotion,
and then Israel Edusna. Israel hasn't fought for a long
long time. Last time he fought, he got his clock cleaned.
He sat back, he reevaluated who he is, how he fights,
and if he still has that passion, that design, that
(11:09):
want to get back to the top of the world.
After already spending a number of fights sitting in that
very position in the rarefied air of being champion and
continually defended those belts, he came back against adrikisluplus c.
Never before Israel, the Sonya in this promotion lost two
(11:32):
consecutive fights, so the scene was beautifully set in Perth
for israelis to reclaim his strap and climb back to
the top of the world again. The South African and
Drickisu plus though, had other ideas, and in the fourth round,
Israel Adisa's trip back to the top was cut short
with a real naked choke, one of the classic ways
(11:55):
of defeating your opponent within the octagon. Question now, does
Israel have enough internal heart, internal want, and internal drive
to put himself through that all over again, or does
he simply walk from the octagon knowing that what he
did was extraordinary and he's got nothing left to prove.
(12:15):
One thing I noticed, though, is when he did get
beaten by the South African and the bar I was
in half. The crowd whooped and hollered as Israel got
whipped as his fan based shrunk. Does it actually matter?
It'd be a shameful way to go out for a
guy that's had such a storied career.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfix.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I'm now to climb in the chamber on the facts.
Although Clay Wilson sports directed for News Talk Zeb, we
don't like chambers so much. It sounds brutal. I think
lounge is a lot more becoming of our chats, right.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Yeah, I think we can all get behind that. You know,
sit down, park up, chat, a bit of sport.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It's the story, right, Let's get things going straight away.
America's cup ere it comes again and there's been articles
written that we've left it behind. It's okay, Well, we'll
be excited now. About the America's Cup coming out. How
much of people, how much of yourself are still holding
on to the fact that Grant Dalton ran after the
other side of the world with our Cup.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Well, I think to me, the America's Cup has always
been one of those things that people don't really get
interested in until the racing actually starts. So the fact
that the preliminary regatta is starting this week, I guess
I'm not surprised that. I mean, to me, anyway, I
heard people talking about it. It's not something that's been
(13:37):
hugely on our radar here.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Well, it's been the Olympics and then the Warriors have
petered out, but they've got the All Blacks back in action,
So maybe it's just not in radar right now, and
it won't until we see the boats.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Yeah, And I think you will get people who won't
watch out of principle based on the fact that the
Cup has been taken away from New Zealand in terms
of the event itself. But I think you'll find most
sports fans will fit in the bracket that I consider
myself to be, and which is once the racing starts.
These boats spectacular.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Look at those they're so cool. Forget about the rest
of it.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Wow, And you know you can people can you know
Grant Dalton as someone that people will either love or
don't love so much. But you talk about the sailors,
the likes of Peter Birling and Blair Chook. There's are
names that we associate with that people have a great
admiration for. So when they're racing in a New Zealand
boat in a big event like that, I think people
(14:35):
will get behind it a share assume in the boat's successful,
the team's successful. But yeah, to me, it's it's It's
one of those things that won't really inspire a lot
of a lot of interest in people until until it
really gets underwegh and we see that the cup's up
for grabs and can we hold on to it?
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Well, it still bites though, that the whole idea of
the America's Cup. This is one of the basic things
the America's Cup. You win, that you defend it at home.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Right, Yeah, But I think I still think that's what
it is, right. I still think people that are genuinely
interest in and it will watch it. Like I say,
I agree that fact will turn some people away. How
many I guess we'll see, We'll see we'll be able
to gauge an interest much much better once the events
actually started. So I think Thursday night it kicks off
(15:24):
over there, So let's see how many people are that interesting.
And it drags on for a while, doesn't it. So
we've got this preliminary Regetter and then the Challenger series
before the Cup is actually defended. So it's going to
go on for a while and we'll see how many
people get on board.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Excuse the butt.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Nice We'll set there beat a max to record it
and I'll watch it in the morning. I'm not staying
up that late. Hey, some Silver Thorns players all four
failing fitness tests. Now we know that Dame Noline Todua
is reasonably aggressive around the standards of fitness, which is
fair enough. Should we be alarmed by this.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
No, I think it's usual that there's one, two, three,
four players every time they do this every year that
fail these things. I mean, maybe there is cause for
concern given that. I mean, this is something that Nolan
Toldo brought in quite a while ago. These players would
have known it was coming.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
It's not a surprise not listening. There's the information not
getting through. Is that the more alarming thing?
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Well, I mean, and these players are coming off as
premiership seasons. I guess they've had two or three weeks
some of them in between when they last played a game.
But I think in terms of driving a standards and
getting the best team, to me, it's a great thing.
And she's very matter of fact about it. If you
don't meet the standard, then you know, there's.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Not a dispensation, there's none of that. It's like, here's
your mark, you don't get there, goodbye, go away.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
There's something black and white, and the elad athletes quite
often work in that kind of space where black and
white works really well. You know, this is the number
you've got a hit, depending on I'm assuming different levels
of different positions, and if you don't hit it, then
then you know, go away, work on it and come
back next time if you get a chance. So I
don't mind it. And perhaps there is a little bit
(17:09):
of a cause cause for concern that four players out
of twenty eight. I mean it's twenty eight players as
a big group, but still four players not meeting a standard.
You know, it does surprise me that the number is
that high.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Definitive is very important in sport planning for Dame Noline Tadeuer.
Sunday afternoon, bit of a brawl broke out in Perth,
USC three five. Couple of good results for the city
kickboxing kids in ca Carta, France, and of course Dan
Hooker not so good for Israel the first time he's
gone back to back defeats in this promotion, didn't get
(17:47):
the strap where to now.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
I think he's at a stage of his career where
he had the belt. He's had the belt twice, now
held it for such a long period of time. Yes,
it's always better to be the champion and hold the belt,
but he's built a profile and a name for himself
where he'll still be able to continue getting big fights.
And it appears he's still wants to keep fighting. I
think what thirty five now? So and naturally there are
(18:12):
a few cushions afterwards. Will he continue Willy hanging up?
He doesn't need more money, plainly, but I think from
everything I've heard from him, he'll carry on. There's still
a lot of big fights to be made. They're talking,
you know, one day soon about taking the UFC back
to Africa. I actually heard Drechistuplas's coach talking about the
fact that if it does go there, they would love
(18:32):
for the rematch between those two as two African fighters.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
But his box office still isn't. He's still people either
love him they hate him, but they're going to keep
their eye on what he does, keep the ears on
what he says and dain't and White in the promotion
loves that this goal for him too.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Yeah, and I think Econo McGregor has shown it. He
hasn't had a belt for how long and still is
easily the biggest as the you know, the most amount
of pulling power, you know, ugly in all of combat sports.
Still so so really, you know, he's achieved that goal
of being a world champion. He's done it twice of
holding that belt. So for him now, I guess, you know,
(19:08):
there's a bit more money to be made, but you know,
for him, other big names, but other big scalps to
try and claim a few couple of losses to try
and get back now those last two losses. So I
still see him carrying on for another few years yet,
but it won't be for financial reasons or even in
terms of the belt. Maybe he'll get it back. Maybe
he won't, but he's still a name that's going to
(19:29):
be prominent in that scene.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Last thing I did in in Octagon was tap out.
Now he wouldn't want that. Clay Wilson, the sport director
from News Talk z B, thank you so much for
joining us on the couch. I hope it's been comfortable,
very comfortable, thanks.
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
This is Sportsfix, Howard by News Talks It.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Be Today, Drew, how is it. Welcome into Sports Fix
for a Tuesday. It's the twentieth of August twenty twenty four.
My name's Darcy Walter Grave and this is your weekday
podcast that gives you everything you need to know about
sport and some things quite frankly, you probably didn't coming
up in the program. I'll talk to Jim Farmer KC shortly,
(00:42):
former director of Team New Zealand Books. Of course, the
America's Cup is up and running this week. Are people
still buying into this? Is there a disconnect between the
public and the event, or more importantly, the public and
the team. We'll also talk about USC three oh five.
I've got some opinions on israela Dusna and what may
(01:04):
or may not happen to him after failing to pick
up the stre against Drickist to place over the weekend,
and News Talk ZB director of Sport Clay Wilson joins
us to pick through the big sports stories of the day.
All right, let's good a monkst.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
In other news.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
As for today, the extension of a Black Caps Test
series across the Ditches being hailed as a sign that
Cricket Australia wanted to play New Zealand as much as possible.
Scheduled for the twenty six twenty seventh summer has doubled
from two games to four, including another Boxing Day test
in Melbourne. N z C Chief executive Scott Winning says
(01:45):
that he was in Melbourne meeting with their Australian counterparts
early this month.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
It was also very clear support of the hour of
Gion cricket and how he may are Forgeron cricket to
be strong. So you know they do want to play
us as much as possible.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Expect the contrast between the Tima Parter Bailey's playing and
coaching styles. That's the view from the eighty nine Test.
Silver Fern's veteran and she takes up a new gig
in charge of the Stars A and Z Premiership side.
Ull known for her relentless play on court, Baby admits
she's filtered herself down as a mentor. I think it's.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Smoothing around the edges for my coaching style as opposed
to being a player. My style of.
Speaker 5 (02:24):
Coaching is pretty much creating that.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Environmental players to be able to express themself and bringing beer,
flair and talent. And finally, Warriors halfback Shawn Johnson is
overwhelmed by the new generation of NRL players is inspired
throughout his career. The thirty three year old playmaker will
don the Warriors jersey for the final time at home
in Friday night's game against the Bulldogs.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
That was probably the bit that made me realize it
was time to hang them up. When you start playing
against some of these guys that tell your stories about
where they were when I was doing something, I've got
teammates that do it now.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Leading a vix, We've got just the ticket. It's Sports
Vix powered by News Talks IVY.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
It's a warm welcome to Jim Farmer KC for my
team director of a Team New Zealand. As we look
toward the start of the America's Cup coming up later
on the week. It's been a long time in gym,
but here it comes. The action starts. Welcome to the program.
I suppose first up, how dialed aren't they to this
America's Cup? Considering what it's gone through over the last
(03:26):
couple of years.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
I'm not dial in it at all. I won't be
watching it. And I think that's true of a lot
of people who have remained dismayed by the fact that
the Cup's been taken offshore.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
You say a lot of people this is in your
friend group, other sailors.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
And all of those, certainly people in my group for community,
people I know who in the past have traveled overseas
when Team New Zealand was a challenger to places like
Valencia and so on, San Francisco. They are not interested
in going to Barcelona too watch us defend the Cup there.
(04:07):
And it's true also of sailors that I know and
I am in the sailing world. I have my own
recent yot.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
It's a disconnect between Emirate's Team New Zealand and the fans,
or Grant Dalton and the fans, or the America's Cup
and the fans. Where do you think the schism is.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
I think as far as New Zealand is a concerned
they feel let down. They've supported New Zealand's attempts to
get the America's Cup from the very beginning nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
In Perth.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
They've supported it when it's been one, when it's been
held here, and they expected it to be held here
when when it continued to be held here, that, after all,
was the whole point of putting money into challenging for
the cup. So I think they do feel very very
let down and don't accept that it could not have
(04:58):
been credibly held here.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
It's one of the basic tenants, isn't it of the
America's Cup? You want it, you defend it at home.
This is kind of screams of America's Cup to me,
So it really flies in the face of a lot
of what this cup's about.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Yes, that's that's exactly right, And because the defender, defending
yacht club has the right and to hold the cup
in their in their home waters and that's always nearly
always how it's been.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
With the fan treatment, it feels like lack of respect
to the fan base out there from specifically Grant Dalton
and the people managing it. They appear to be more
interested in funding the defense, but not for the reasons
we think, because it's not coming back. Do you feel
if they do whin they'll ever bring it back? Because
(05:46):
I don't think they will.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
I don't think so. I think it'll be sold off
to the highest bidder and some while ago, I heard
an interview by by Grant Dalton in which he talked
about the advantages of taking it to Suthaudi Arabia, where
they did have a preliminary regatta, and how wonderful a
place it was.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
Whether he would have while he was there, visited the
public executions, visited the public executions that take place regularly
in Saudi, but I think I would predict that that's
probably where it's going to go next.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Jim I heard exactly the same interview and flattagasid that
already is like wow, if we win, feeling confident, definitely
not coming home. It wasn't a shock or a slap
in the face. It was kind of predictable. But it
summarizes what's going on. So you take that into count.
Do you think people will forgive Grant Dalton for taking
(06:43):
something that essentially New Zealanders feel very engaged and we
feel like it's ours after all the other campaigns, and
it's been whipped away from us. Forgiveness as an interesting concept,
isn't it?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Yes, it is, and it goes us back to the
Peter Blake days and everyone wore red sox to help
out at the time when the team then was short
of money, and it's sort of country got behind that
and has been behind it until now it no longer
(07:14):
is by it now. It's interesting that Toyota's going to
an announcer a tour of New Zealand taking the cup around,
and I think that probably signifies a recognition that the
New Zealand public is no longer supporting Team New Zealand's
effort in defending the Cup.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
It almost feels Jim Farmer to be a desperate move
to try and engage New Zealanders by touring what is it,
magnificent piece of silverware around the country to kind of
curry some favor. Do you think people will buy it that?
Speaker 2 (07:44):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (07:45):
I think a lot of people will be curious to
see the cup and they will visit that wherever that
is being displayed. You know, I'm sure that will be
the case, but not to the extent that it would
otherwise have been.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
What about damage to the event and the name of
the America's Cup? Does this do much? Is this a
bit of a shake? Does it wiggle the needle as
far as respect is concerned for it as a holes
that has been so popular, so having it been taken
away and being really about money predominantly so they can
defend it, but it won't come back. Is that damaging?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Do you think?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I think the I think the event has been damaged.
Part of the evidence for that is the popularity of
the sale GP, which is event which is now almost
seen as something that's alternative to the America's Cup.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
Is sailing still at that level still relatable to New Zealanders?
There be a lot of New Zealanders out there who
haven't sailed, who don't know, But there's also a huge
amount of people that sailing is a massive part of
their life. But with this this disconnect we speak of,
is it still relatable to the New Zealand the New
Zealand population?
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I think I think.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
That question needs to be answered in two ways. That
there are a lot of people who are very impressed
by the technology, the foiling technology and the speed that
the boats get up to. With that, there are other people,
more what I would call the traditional sailing community, who
(09:21):
are less interested in that and who really can't relate
to that because the boats that they do their club
racing and so on. Are not that kind of boat,
and they're never going to be able to have that
kind of boat. So I think it's sort of a
it's a bit of a double edged sword, really.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Jim Farmer, kse, former board member of Director of Team
New Zealand. Do you think it's ever going to come
back here again? Do you think we'll ever see an
America's Cup regatta on our waters?
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Personally, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
So, and that's a shame of way to end. But
we thank you so much for your opinion and wish
you well. Jim Farmer, thanks for your time.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Thank you leading a VEX. We've got just the ticket.
It's sports vix now my news.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Talksv Is it the end of the line for former
middleweight UFC champion Israel EDUSNA? Over the weekend Sunday over
in Perth, UFC three to five unwound and provided again
a particularly aggressive and blood filled spectacle for the fans
(10:27):
of the octagon. There were three fighters from New Zealand
at the promotion, one of them being Cauit Carter France,
the flyweight. The co Maine event did very well and
getting rid of Steve Ersig possibly looking now at a
belt fight sometime in the future. The lightweight division, well
Gam got beaten by Hooker Dan Hooker of course the
(10:47):
Kiwi fresh on signing a five fight deal with the promotion,
and then Israel Edusna. Israel hasn't fought for a long
long time. Last time he fought, he got his clock cleaned.
He sat back, he reevaluated who he is, how he fights,
and if he still has that passion, that design, that
(11:09):
want to get back to the top of the world.
After already spending a number of fights sitting in that
very position in the rarefied air of being champion and
continually defended those belts, he came back against adrikisluplus c.
Never before Israel, the Sonya in this promotion lost two
(11:32):
consecutive fights, so the scene was beautifully set in Perth
for israelis to reclaim his strap and climb back to
the top of the world again. The South African and
Drickisu plus though, had other ideas, and in the fourth round,
Israel Adisa's trip back to the top was cut short
with a real naked choke, one of the classic ways
(11:55):
of defeating your opponent within the octagon. Question now, does
Israel have enough internal heart, internal want, and internal drive
to put himself through that all over again, or does
he simply walk from the octagon knowing that what he
did was extraordinary and he's got nothing left to prove.
(12:15):
One thing I noticed, though, is when he did get
beaten by the South African and the bar I was
in half. The crowd whooped and hollered as Israel got
whipped as his fan based shrunk. Does it actually matter?
It'd be a shameful way to go out for a
guy that's had such a storied career.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
The Chamber is now in session on Sportsfix.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
I'm now to climb in the chamber on the facts.
Although Clay Wilson sports directed for News Talk Zeb, we
don't like chambers so much. It sounds brutal. I think
lounge is a lot more becoming of our chats, right.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
Yeah, I think we can all get behind that. You know,
sit down, park up, chat, a bit of sport.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
It's the story, right, Let's get things going straight away.
America's cup ere it comes again and there's been articles
written that we've left it behind. It's okay, Well, we'll
be excited now. About the America's Cup coming out. How
much of people, how much of yourself are still holding
on to the fact that Grant Dalton ran after the
other side of the world with our Cup.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
Well, I think to me, the America's Cup has always
been one of those things that people don't really get
interested in until the racing actually starts. So the fact
that the preliminary regatta is starting this week, I guess
I'm not surprised that. I mean, to me, anyway, I
heard people talking about it. It's not something that's been
(13:37):
hugely on our radar here.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Well, it's been the Olympics and then the Warriors have
petered out, but they've got the All Blacks back in action,
So maybe it's just not in radar right now, and
it won't until we see the boats.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Yeah, And I think you will get people who won't
watch out of principle based on the fact that the
Cup has been taken away from New Zealand in terms
of the event itself. But I think you'll find most
sports fans will fit in the bracket that I consider
myself to be, and which is once the racing starts.
These boats spectacular.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Look at those they're so cool. Forget about the rest
of it.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Wow, And you know you can people can you know
Grant Dalton as someone that people will either love or
don't love so much. But you talk about the sailors,
the likes of Peter Birling and Blair Chook. There's are
names that we associate with that people have a great
admiration for. So when they're racing in a New Zealand
boat in a big event like that, I think people
(14:35):
will get behind it a share assume in the boat's successful,
the team's successful. But yeah, to me, it's it's It's
one of those things that won't really inspire a lot
of a lot of interest in people until until it
really gets underwegh and we see that the cup's up
for grabs and can we hold on to it?
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Well, it still bites though, that the whole idea of
the America's Cup. This is one of the basic things
the America's Cup. You win, that you defend it at home.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
Right, Yeah, But I think I still think that's what
it is, right. I still think people that are genuinely
interest in and it will watch it. Like I say,
I agree that fact will turn some people away. How
many I guess we'll see, We'll see we'll be able
to gauge an interest much much better once the events
actually started. So I think Thursday night it kicks off
(15:24):
over there, So let's see how many people are that interesting.
And it drags on for a while, doesn't it. So
we've got this preliminary Regetter and then the Challenger series
before the Cup is actually defended. So it's going to
go on for a while and we'll see how many
people get on board.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Excuse the butt.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Nice We'll set there beat a max to record it
and I'll watch it in the morning. I'm not staying
up that late. Hey, some Silver Thorns players all four
failing fitness tests. Now we know that Dame Noline Todua
is reasonably aggressive around the standards of fitness, which is
fair enough. Should we be alarmed by this.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
No, I think it's usual that there's one, two, three,
four players every time they do this every year that
fail these things. I mean, maybe there is cause for
concern given that. I mean, this is something that Nolan
Toldo brought in quite a while ago. These players would
have known it was coming.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
It's not a surprise not listening. There's the information not
getting through. Is that the more alarming thing?
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Well, I mean, and these players are coming off as
premiership seasons. I guess they've had two or three weeks
some of them in between when they last played a game.
But I think in terms of driving a standards and
getting the best team, to me, it's a great thing.
And she's very matter of fact about it. If you
don't meet the standard, then you know, there's.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Not a dispensation, there's none of that. It's like, here's
your mark, you don't get there, goodbye, go away.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
There's something black and white, and the elad athletes quite
often work in that kind of space where black and
white works really well. You know, this is the number
you've got a hit, depending on I'm assuming different levels
of different positions, and if you don't hit it, then
then you know, go away, work on it and come
back next time if you get a chance. So I
don't mind it. And perhaps there is a little bit
(17:09):
of a cause cause for concern that four players out
of twenty eight. I mean it's twenty eight players as
a big group, but still four players not meeting a standard.
You know, it does surprise me that the number is
that high.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
Definitive is very important in sport planning for Dame Noline Tadeuer.
Sunday afternoon, bit of a brawl broke out in Perth,
USC three five. Couple of good results for the city
kickboxing kids in ca Carta, France, and of course Dan
Hooker not so good for Israel the first time he's
gone back to back defeats in this promotion, didn't get
(17:47):
the strap where to now.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
I think he's at a stage of his career where
he had the belt. He's had the belt twice, now
held it for such a long period of time. Yes,
it's always better to be the champion and hold the belt,
but he's built a profile and a name for himself
where he'll still be able to continue getting big fights.
And it appears he's still wants to keep fighting. I
think what thirty five now? So and naturally there are
(18:12):
a few cushions afterwards. Will he continue Willy hanging up?
He doesn't need more money, plainly, but I think from
everything I've heard from him, he'll carry on. There's still
a lot of big fights to be made. They're talking,
you know, one day soon about taking the UFC back
to Africa. I actually heard Drechistuplas's coach talking about the
fact that if it does go there, they would love
(18:32):
for the rematch between those two as two African fighters.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
But his box office still isn't. He's still people either
love him they hate him, but they're going to keep
their eye on what he does, keep the ears on
what he says and dain't and White in the promotion
loves that this goal for him too.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Yeah, and I think Econo McGregor has shown it. He
hasn't had a belt for how long and still is
easily the biggest as the you know, the most amount
of pulling power, you know, ugly in all of combat sports.
Still so so really, you know, he's achieved that goal
of being a world champion. He's done it twice of
holding that belt. So for him now, I guess, you know,
(19:08):
there's a bit more money to be made, but you know,
for him, other big names, but other big scalps to
try and claim a few couple of losses to try
and get back now those last two losses. So I
still see him carrying on for another few years yet,
but it won't be for financial reasons or even in
terms of the belt. Maybe he'll get it back. Maybe
he won't, but he's still a name that's going to
(19:29):
be prominent in that scene.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Last thing I did in in Octagon was tap out.
Now he wouldn't want that. Clay Wilson, the sport director
from News Talk z B, thank you so much for
joining us on the couch. I hope it's been comfortable,
very comfortable, thanks.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
To us dissecting the sporting agenda. It's Sportsfix with Jason
Pine and Darcy Walter Grave.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Done and Darsta. That wraps up Sports Fix for another day,
the twentieth of August twenty twenty four. I'm Darcy Walter
Grave and along with the Jason Pine will bring you
this podcast Monday to Friday. And of course if you
want to direct to your inbox, all you've got to
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(20:11):
myself or Jason between seven and eight weeknights on News
Talks EB on Sports Talk. Over the weekend catch up
with Piney with the weekend sport from twelve till three
Saturday and Sunday. Look after yourself, Go well and we'll
chat again tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
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