Jerrod “Box” Grove of Caldwell spotlights the company’s game-changing clay target systems.
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David Miguel from Smith & Wesson highlights .22 lineup, and shares fun customer service stories. and details on the relaunched Smith & Wesson Academy in Tennessee. Lipsey’s covers the surge in straight-wall cartridges popular for hunting regulations, and suppressor-friendly fun.
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Speaker 4 (01:00):
Hey, welcome into gun Talk Radio today. On gun Talk Radio.
You can tell it's not Tom Gresham. I'm your guest host,
Ryan Gresham because Tom's on a road trip and I
think you guys probably know where he was and doing
a little training, doing some shooting. So we've got a
whole lineup of awesome guests on the show today because
(01:21):
I'm gonna give you kind of a behind the scenes
is we are hosting a special media event at the
Gun Talk Headquarters Range Ready Studios where we do our classes,
but sometimes we do these special media events that are
really just for the gun industry, and this one is
called Plinka Palooza, all centered around rim fire. So we
(01:43):
have a variety of different sponsors companies within this world,
and also a bunch of media making content, and so
we're gonna have some of those folks on throughout the show,
and we're going to talk about rimfire. We're going to
talk about shotguns and silencers and and guns obviously, and
a lot of other stuff. So welcome in and thanks
(02:05):
for joining us. First up, our first guest is a
man goes by many names, known as Jared Grove by
his mama. But actually your mama calls you box too, right.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
And she does gotta change your name. Say one, So everybody.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Yeah, you got one of the coolest nicknames out there,
Lunchbox aka box. You have a nickname for the nickname?
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Yeah, shortened it up, you know Spanish.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
I think it's alkoha. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
I'm not fluent, but I've been called that. I assume
that's what that means.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I assume it was complimentary.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the guy liked me.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
So, dude, you've been on the show called Well. Everybody
was called Well, I mean probably what best known for
like shooting bags and like the lead sled.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, shooting dress, the lead sleds, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
I mean all kinds of great shooting accessories. I find
that it seems like to me called Well, you guys
do a really good job of finding that sweet spot
of good products that are super useful and helpful for
for shooters and hunters as well, but you know, at
a price that's like reachable for pretty much everybody.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Yeah, that's always one of the requirements whenever we're getting
into a product that is it at a price that
the somebody's going to actually buy?
Speaker 6 (03:23):
You know? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Uh so yeah, so that's it's awesome we design around
that type of stuff, and uh, it's part of the
challenge when you when you get into it. But yeah,
it's what's going to making making something that uh, the
price is entirely too high for the average person.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I'm sure that that happens, right when you think about
you design things, and you know, you get an engineer
that engineers the heck out of something, You're like, cool,
how much is it going to cost these people, well
you know this, this, this rest is going to cost
you know, nine hundred dollars, and it's like, well, that's
gonna be a problem. How do we make it one
(04:01):
hundred dollars?
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Especially when we bring in UH, a new engineer. Yeah,
that's that's kind of new into that that segment. And
you know, especially if they've worked in UH on stuff
where that wasn't a restraint, it's very interesting to be like, yeah,
that's a cool idea.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
That's that's amazing. It's way over built.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
It's way and then and then to UH to take
designs and to make them manufacturable is interesting.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
These are not government dollars here, no, exactly. You know,
the listeners of gun Talk Radio, this is Joe and
Betty and Jim, and they're going into Walmart or bass
Pro or Shiels and dude, I'm just trying to go
have bass part.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Doesn't want to sell your ten thousand dollars front shooting
rest a right.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
But look at it is. Yeah, at weighs six hundred pounds.
So dude, we were talking before and obviously you guys
have gotten big into clay throwers. I mean you kind
of been in that world for a while, but really
some really brand new cool stuff that you've been doing,
the clay more game changer type stuff. You got the
clay copter. But you're not just a product manager guy.
(05:08):
You were a collegiate shooter.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
I shot for the University of Missouri for probably one
too many years.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
A lot of people go to college for six years
box they're called doctors.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
I just got that one piece of paper, and I
was glad to get it, you know, but you know
it it really Yeah, I grew up shooting youth shooting
sports and went to college and it was something kind
of kept me in school, honestly, and then the contacts
of stuff from that literally, like that's why I'm in
(05:43):
the industry.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Talk about that, because we talked about this on on
gun Talk radio from time to time, Like, yeah, you
can actually get scholarships in shooting. You can, or you
can at least, you know, be on a club team
or whatever. How did you get onto a college team
And what was that like being on a college team.
I know it's it's been a couple of years, but like,
(06:07):
what was that.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
So there's a couple of ways if you're if you're
good enough and you really wanted, you know, pursue it.
You can get a a scholarship. It's really becoming way
more popular today than it was in the early two thousands.
Early two thousands, there was a few schools offering that
(06:30):
that were really going after those national championships and stuff,
but most of it was a club uh.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
And that's what we had.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
At University Missouri was a club team. So the way
I got into that was literally I shot all the
way through high school, shot registered trap. My father, Edward,
and my mother would take us around, me and my
brother and travel all over and shoot trap. And it
(06:57):
kind of got to graduation it was like, I'm not
ready to stop shooting. And I was like there, like, oh, well,
MISSOO has a shooting team. I was like, oh, go
check that out. And that was interesting being a freshman
in the dorms and figuring out how to to move
the firearms around.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Yeah, guys like, oh, don't worry, just leave it at
my house. Yeah, you're a complete stranger.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Unfortunately, you were somewhat of a local boy, right your friends.
I know, I know somebody who's on a I don't
want to call out who it is. But sponsored pro
shooter in college right now, and a lot of colleges
they'll say for your freshman year, you have to live
on campus. Yes, and it's like, but I'm a pro shooter,
(07:46):
Like this is my other job. And she actually got
like a waiver to be able to live off campus
because of the guns. Like, hey, look, I'll stay in
your dorm, but I'm going to be carrying around on
you know, some pelican cases with things in them. I
don't think you want that. Well, you guys did some traveling.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Uh, we traveled quite a bit, which was was interesting
times for us.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Like say, we we were a club.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Team, so we didn't have charter buses and all that.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Like, let's be honest, you guys were the bad news bears.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
We were.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
We had some very talented, very talented shooters on our
team that would put us usually in the top three
in the nation for against teams given full right scholarships
at the time, which was was was really fun and
and honestly, like I knew a lot of the guys
and girls on on those teams too. Uh you know
that's great, but yeah, we would show up as we.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
Didn't have uniforms or it's that all matched. You know,
you have a big deal.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
When we got those, you had budget for shells and beverages.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Is that yeah, it was.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
That was I remember several times like if we were
going to for example, like Colorado or Perdue was some
of the bigger ones, and we had friends that that
shot there obviously, and doing a college budget, I should
have documented you just it'd be funny like you had like, Okay,
it takes this amount of dollars in gas and now,
and it wasn't like you had an extra five bucks
(09:15):
just in case.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
Like it was. It was to the it was tight.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
Much.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Yeah, well we'll get.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
This much bologna and this much white bread and that's
what we will eat. Uh. And then there was a
rather large beverage budget. Yeah for athletes, Yeah exactly. So yeah,
it was Uh it was probably not the number one
the number two expense on your budget. And just travel
(09:43):
and then like crashing and uh and people's duplexus and
stuff that were on the other team. You know, just
just make it work. Just make way too big of
a guy to be sharing twin beds with.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
With other Hey, college, there's a time and place for
everything of college. So box obviously you know, I said,
you guys have gotten to the clays. And that's why
I wanted to bring it up, is because I know
you're you're personally very excited about what you guys have
been doing on these clay throwers. And I'm gonna call
it clay throwers, and we're gonna get into really what
(10:19):
they really are, because what Caldwell is doing is really
a game changer. And that word gets thrown around too much, probably,
but it's truly something you new and unique that makes
it even more challenging, it makes it even more fun.
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Speaker 4 (13:20):
Right, Welcome back to gun Talk Radio and your guest
host Ryan Gresham filling in for Tom today. And with
us we've got Jared Grovebox from Caldwell and we were
talking before the break about you know, you you grew
up shooting Clay's collegiate shooter, but you've been at cald
War for a while. I know we've talked about it,
but I wanted to set it up because I keep
(13:42):
calling it clay throwers, but I don't even know if
that's the right thing to call it, which you guys
have introduced.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
You're referring to our new product called the Clay Copter. Yeah,
the best, I guess easiest way to refer to it
as a clay thrower, but we completely redid the target
right like that was clay pigeons are over one hundred
and fifty years old like that, that's been design's been
around a long time, you know, and before that was
(14:10):
replacing glass balls and uh, live birds, you know of
all things.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
So it was time for.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Change and kind of like we were mentioned, like we
got to look at it, like there's got to be
a better way. The targets clay pigeons are getting pretty pricey.
The consumer wouldn't know it, but the dealer margins and
stuff on that are really tight, Like it's almost a
lost leader where they're trying to get you into the
(14:39):
store to Buyammo or something else to make some money
on it. So shipping isn't a thing like you can't
Amazon ship clay pigeons.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
You wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
You'd have a just mess when you got it there.
So we kind of started looking at that and there's
been there's been attempts at other targets and stuff and
target systems and it comes back. It's just as we
were mentioned, the engineering and stuff like that, you had
to add and say, hey, this is a consumable product.
You have to keep it reasonable and we would like
(15:11):
it to do all this. The launcher, you know, like
it has to be reasonable, it has to be manufacturable,
you know, and that comes down to an amazing engineering
team to take care of that. And it's it's wild
to see where they pull inspiration from. Like the first
one we showed the clay captures, there are those spinning
discs and everybody was like, oh, it's like a.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Kid's toy the pull.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yeah, and shockingly, uh, not too far off. Like when
we were sitting and looking at a way to have
a hub on a thrower to that would spin a
motor obviously to spin this thing, but then you had
to make it stop and push a target off so
that it would propel. The guy was like, you know
(15:59):
those kids toys have those like ramped things, Like yeah,
and it's like basically pulling and launch. So you can see,
like a great engineer can see there and go, could
I use a bunch of servos and electronics and make
this very intricate.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Thousand dollars?
Speaker 5 (16:17):
They could, but they're like, why when we can simplify
it and do that and make it and so yeah, everybody,
I don't know if it's just if they think if
it's funny or meant to be an insult, but it's
definitely not. If you say it looks like a kid's toy,
you're like, yeah, because it's a very effective design.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
It works very good.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
And going back to like what looked like successful that,
I said, it has to be affordable, and we have
to have it in wide distribution, like you have to
have consumable targets. If I'm shooting these targets, I have
to be able to go to where I buy my
traditional clay targets right and get them. So luckily, all
(16:58):
those dominoes fell right like they were supposed to. The
product was developed and designed by an amazing engineering team
that kept within those for those boundaries, and then we
got our buyers and retailers online on board with it.
They were excited about it. And you know, like I say,
I can't sit there and say it's a you know,
(17:22):
completely original, like there's been zz.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Bird and healing. It's pretty original, man, They don't sort.
So the clay Copter.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Was the first version of this, right, the handheld.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Held clay copter, And if you haven't seen it, it
is it's handheld it's battery powered. It launches these discs
that it's I mean, it's back. So it's then it
launches the disc out and I mean we've done it.
I mean you're throwing discs. I don't know, seventy to one.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Hundred yards, yea, one hundred yards. Pretty amazing is the
on the max speed about fifteen thousand RPMs.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
But there's a new version. There's some new versions that
you guys have come out with.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
We launched that at Shot Show in twenty twenty five,
the handheld and two targets, and instantly had a lot
of feedback of Wow, this is really cool. It would
be really cool if it would do other stuff. I
cold fifty targets. Okay, it'd be really cool. It's really cool.
(18:25):
I don't know if I want to spend two hundred
dollars on it. You're like, okay, I get that. It's
it's new. You haven't shot, and you haven't experienced. I
can see that. So we need to figure out a
way to make more of an entry price point, perhaps,
And so I kind of had that all laid out,
kind of anticipating that would be some of the feedback,
(18:47):
not knowing it would be so so.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Well received, and.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Lots of lots of too many of them, lots lots
of lots of comments, like literally reading all the comments
on all the social posts and YouTube videos and all that,
and it was like, yeah, just a lot of common themes.
And our executive team, like I said, I had like
a three to five year plan to develop some products
and you know, give the whole marketing guy, you know,
(19:15):
sandbag a little bit so I can take my time
of releasing this new concept of a shotgun target. And
we got back from shot showing the execs said we're
going to do all of it right now, and it's like, okay, cool,
and we'll release it over the next couple of years.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
Like we're going to release it shot Show twenty six. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
So it's like that's that is aggressive and along with
it's not like that's the only thing we do.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
There's a lot of other stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Iron's already in the fire, a battery operated traditional clay thrower,
clay more connect was was in the work. So I'm like, guy,
it's like that's that's a lot of engineering. So we
and uh, well, as of right now, the new surface
to air launcher, the one that holds fifty targets has
(20:05):
a really cool interactive app feature to where you can
control aim and do all that.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
That's I mean, it's not just throwing the same target
in the same direction every time. And what we're talking
about is I mean, it's I don't know if you'd
call it a wabble trap sort of favor. You can
control it with apps, so you can you can mess
with your buddy, you can challenge each other, and it's
not the same target every time.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Nope, it you have that really cool We call it
Touch to Launch interaction, uh, interactive launching. In the app,
you can compare up to ten of them. I mean,
you're really building your own little sporting place course on
your farm if you want. Buddies can each get one
and then you can get together and pair them all
(20:51):
up or whatever. It run's on the same battery as
the handheld one, which was really cool. We had a
lot of compliments on the original, like this is so portable.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
I don't have to take this big.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
Thrower loaded in the car or the truck, or I
don't have to get a giant car battery. It's a
it's a little lithium ion battery. That you know, weighs
ounces and.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
The click I said you could you could keep that
thing on your kitchen table. Yeah, if you had a
if you had a back forty or something. Yeah, it's
just nothing.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
The surface to air weighs ten pounds, so it's like
it is a little bit bigger because of the magazine
and stuff that goes onto it. But we have a
molded case for it that ten pounds. You can just
take it anywhere.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
It's it's an.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Amazing how the portability innovation, like the innovation that we
brought in not just the target and the power source,
but then we're like, hey, you know, let's answer this
portability issue. This this stuff like you know, sometimes if
it becomes too big of a chore, then people just
won't go to the range, Like I don't want to
even dig that thrower out and dig the battery out
(21:59):
or hook ables up and try to It's just.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
It's such a new, a good way of doing it.
As we wrap this up box, what's the one thing
that people say when they shoot this.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Usually they're laughing or they go wow that that they're
really impressed with the speed that you can get a
target to go.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
In the distance.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Challenging and yeah, and the way that they move in
the wind not just a straight it's.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Like game changer. Throwers from Caldwell will be right back
with more gun Talks. Hey, welcome back to gun Talk.
(22:53):
I'm your host, Ryan Gresham Thomas on the road and
we are recording this from the gun Talk headquarters here
in Louisiana range Ready Studios And you know, we do
run events and classes and stuff like that, and if
you're interested in learning more about what we do at
range Ready, go to rangereadystudios dot com sign up for
(23:13):
the email list. We don't do a lot of classes,
but we do special classes each year and the people
who are on the email list are the first ones
to find out about those classes and they do fill up,
they do sell out. So if you want to come
down and just training with us, that's a good way
to find out about what's going on here and be
the first ones to find out. So right now at
this at our place, we're running this event called Plinkapalooza
(23:35):
and it's a media event centered around remfires. So we
have some of the big names in rimfires here at
our place with a bunch of media making videos and
writing articles and all that stuff. And of course one
of the names that you think of when you think
of rimfires as Smith and Wesson. So we've got the
guys from Smith and Wesson here, David Miguel, Welcome in man,
Thanks for having us. Thanks so you guys. I mean,
(23:59):
when you think of twenty two's when I think of
twenty two. As for Smith and Weston, I'll tell you
what I think of. I think the first two things
I think of are your twenty two revolvers, and because
that was something I grew up shooting. It was always
one of those guns that was the ten shot stainless
(24:20):
maybe six inch barrel. I think that was just such
a fun gun to shoot, an easy gun for a
kid to shoot. And then the other one is the
M and P fifteen twenty two. I mean it was
the first that I remember where was like a dedicated
twenty two ar. It wasn't a conversion kit with AA
was back I don't know, fifteen twenty years ago when
(24:42):
you had all that goofy stuff. This ran it felt right.
It had all the right controls on it, and I
mean perfect for putting a little suppressor on it, perfect
for putting a red dot. I had actually like a
two power Mini a COG it's a still on one
I have. It's just the perfect set up. Dave. Why
what is it about twenty twos and Smith and Wesson.
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Yes, I mean we have a very vast catalog for
people familiar with our brand, but yeah, with twenty two's
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but the main thing with with twenty two platforms is
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twenty two rifles. You know, we have a plethora of
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SKUs available, different color ways, furniture, you know, performance center variants.
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offerings where you can hunt with and then on the
competition side too. So for this week we have a
(26:11):
good variety some of our newer twenty two offerings like
the mm P twenty two X which launched in recent year,
as well as the FPC in twenty two, So those
are some of our newer offerings.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Talking about the FPC, yeah, FBC.
Speaker 12 (26:27):
It's a cool little platform. I think we we initially
launched it starting with nine millimeter a couple of years ago,
and we've expanded into ten millimeter, twenty two long rifle
and most recently the five to seven. But it's it's
a neat little platform where it's a it's a car
being but it it folds sideways, which is great because
(26:48):
you can keep your zero which is nice. But also
as in stock magazine storage, you primarily get three magazines
with each FPC, so you get a.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Lot of rounds. Yep.
Speaker 12 (27:00):
But yeah, it's great Scott. You know mlock slots, threadd
if you want to throw a presser on it. But yeah,
we're excited to have that available.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
It's truly a unique design and it's it's also I'll
say this for really all of the twenty twos and
twenty two is fair to say that they can be
kind of finicky, especially semi auto twenty two's can be
finicky just the shape and size of the cartridge itself.
It's kind of tough as feeding, you know, feeding and stuff.
(27:30):
But I know, I mean, all the Smith and Wesson
semi autos that I've shot, they run great. I mean,
and you run all kinds of everymo through it. It
runs great. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's great, Miguel, you run.
You've been in customer service for Smith Wesson. And I
told you before we started this, I said, every time
I hear about somebody that's been in customer service at
(27:51):
any kind of gun company or am O company or
whatever in our world, I'll go, oh, boy, you have stories,
don't you?
Speaker 13 (27:58):
Absolutely for sure.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
I mean, look, I'm like, I love guns. I love
to shoot guns. I know better when I have a
screwdriver in my hand, it's a dangerous object. And I'm like,
I can take some pins out and take an upper
off and put it back on. But when we get
into you know, doing some real like hobbyist gunsmithing, that
(28:20):
I take it very slowly, or I call in, you know,
I phonte a friend and try to get help. We'll
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Speaker 4 (31:14):
Hey, welcome back to gun talk. What are some of
the stories that you get from customers when it's like
I can't figure this out or I mean, let's just
be honest here, guns in bags, parts and bags.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
Oh easily.
Speaker 13 (31:27):
I mean, we always hope that if you find yourself
in that situation, you'll give us a call. Yeah, but
in most cases the consumer has YouTube, and of course
you'll go there and think you can do just about anything.
I can't tell you how many different components have been
added to guns, like JB weld, Oh Boy, epoxies that
I have no idea where they came from, just to
(31:48):
try to fix mistakes that consumers have made. But you know,
we're amazing company with a lifetime warranty against manufacturing defects.
But we also know we have to help out and
in a lot of cases we'll go ahead and get
that taken care of, whether it's taking apart, revolver, try
to figure something out or try to modify it in
some way, or are semiato pistols or rifles of course,
(32:09):
you know attachments you can put on these ar platforms
like the fifteen to twenty two. I mean, people can
go crazy and sometimes they don't realize palm or lower
and as they're driving pins and out, they're cracking things
and breaking things. Yeah, cross writing, screws, I mean bags, boxes,
shoe boxes full of parts. I mean we could get
(32:30):
into how people send things and be here for hours,
but yeah, it's entertaining way.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
How often do you get you here from a customer
and you think I wish you would have contacted us sooner.
Speaker 13 (32:43):
Every day, Yeah, every day we get a few stories
like that, like.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
We're here, Yeah, we're ready, we'll take your call.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Happy to take your call, help you out.
Speaker 13 (32:51):
One of the coolest stories is getting the guy who
has an issue in quick quite figure it out, and
he lives in an area of rural area and we
help him out. He's like, hey, hold on my work,
walks out the back door, boom off a few rounds.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
He's like, that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
That works. I'm like, yes, right, alad, we'll do it
that way. You know, that's fantastic. Smith and Wesson has
been around since eighteen fifty two. Are there any notable
old guns that have come in.
Speaker 13 (33:21):
I've had guns come in from nineteen hundred, it's like
early nineteen o eight, nineteen ten.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
We won't touch them.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Yeah, we have a cutoff.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
Anything be low nineteen sixty.
Speaker 13 (33:32):
We don't want to work on lack of parts and okay,
the finishes are completely different from where they are today.
But yes, I've seen some model threes come in.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, and we'll take a look at him.
Speaker 13 (33:43):
Yeah, we'll clean them, maybe lule bum a little bit,
but that's about it as far as we'll go.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Is there any Is there any service if somebody has
an old Smith and Wesson that they want to get
information about, or providence or something like that, Can you
guys provide information about an old gun? You like, I've
got this thing. Here's a serial number.
Speaker 13 (34:03):
Absolutely, So we have an immense amount of information, catalogs.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
Data sheets.
Speaker 13 (34:10):
I could tell you a gun has been manufactured in
eighteen hundreds, No, okaya have serial numbers going back that far.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
So yeah, you can give us a call.
Speaker 13 (34:17):
My team would be happy to take a take a
look at their sheets see what we could come up with.
But yeah, I mean we're pretty good at dating.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
That's very cool because you know, we get it because
if you're the gun guy amongst your group of friends
or co workers, you know, oh, yeah, I've got this
old gun and I think it was this or my
grandpa did this. But that's a good point, Like they
can just reach out to you. I mean, you can
look on the gun and say, yeah, I know it's
a Smith Wesson, but I don't even know what the
story is on this gun.
Speaker 13 (34:41):
Give a serial number, we'd be happy to tell you.
In most cases, we can tell you what frame, what
the most practical barrel length, or yeah, how many shots
in the celinder? I mean, we can tell you quite
a bit just based off a serial number.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
What about people that say, I have an old gun,
is it safe to shoot? How do you approach that?
Speaker 13 (34:58):
That's a really great question that we get a lot of,
and in all honesty, it's a question we'd be happy
to answer. But the only way to do it is
by getting the gun in Yeah, and I was taking
a look at it, yeah, which we would be happy
to do, okay, And we provide shipping labels for the consumer,
and instructions are not to send it in it's really simple.
They'll bring it in our master gunsmence will be happy
to take a look at it, and they'll let you
know whether it's safe to shoot or not.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
That's awesome, Dave. You guys launched the Smith west Of Academy,
or I should really kind of say relaunched it. I
know that Smith Weston had an academy for decades up
in Massachusetts, and you guys moved operations to Tennessee. You've
got this beautiful place, you got all this land, and
somebody said, you know what we could do, We could
actually build our own range.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (35:38):
Yeah, we reopened the Smith Weston Academy at our new
headquarters in Tennessee. It originated up in Springfield and it
started out as a law enforcement training center, and then
we had the shooting complex that was opened to the
public up north and that shut down in twenty seventeen.
And then with the move to Tennessee, we had you know,
(36:00):
acres behind the building and decided it was time to
bring it back. So within the past year and a
half we opened the new training facility and it's sitting
on around forty acres. We have three fifty yard pistol ranges,
one hundred by one hundred flex range. We actually have
an outdoor three hundred yard rifle range with baffling and
(36:23):
then a two story shootthouse. So you have real spoiler's
right out out our back door.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Yep. And just to I don't want Dave to gloss
over this. The one hundred one one hundred yards by
one hundred yards almost three sixty is that about almost?
Speaker 6 (36:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's a really impressive. It's
a really impressive range. It's cool that you can do there.
Talk about the guy who runs the range, because coaches
is a different cat.
Speaker 12 (36:50):
Yeah, we're real lucky to partner up with Marco Ciolo,
former Seal Team six guy a lot of years serving
this country. And yeah, actually ran the BUDGS training for
years and I think he's pushed through over four thousand
candidates in his training.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Four thousand seals how to shoot correct and he's running
your place and now now he's with us at Smith
and West.
Speaker 12 (37:12):
Yeah, so real lucky to get him. He's a great guy,
very knowledgeable and experienced. And yeah, he's running courses it
is open to the public to take, you know, intro, intermediate,
and advanced pistol courses car being it's all based around
self defense. But yeah, that's open to the public now
and and courses are available online to sign up. And
(37:35):
outside of the public side of things, we do offer
training to our professional partners as well, so local law
enforcement will come in and trained and and it's great
to have that as a resource.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
It's awesome, Dave. Besides rim Fire, you guys have brought
out some other new guns this year. What's a couple
of the favorites for you.
Speaker 12 (37:56):
I think the steel frame MMPs was one that was
looking forward to. You know, we tried to do our best
to listening to consumers constantly and that was one that
people were asking for. You know, we had the aluminum
frames which were the Metal series, and then we actually
did our first steel frame MVP in the Spec series
a couple of years ago. But this is the first,
(38:17):
you know, standard steel frame MVP that we have. We
also have a competitive version, you know, with all the
bells and whistles, lightning cuts, spiral, food barrel more competition geared.
Those have been real popular and we're excited to have
those available five to seven in the FPC. We recently
launched that shot show once again. That's the the folding
(38:39):
pistol carbing and it's just a fun round to shoot.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
The five to seven is a magic little cartridge. I mean,
it's just it's got some nice power to it. It
has kind of almost no recoil, similar to twenty two right.
And and I will say this, some people will say
the five to seven AMO is expensive. I think the
price has come down a little bit on five seven
AM and it's it's more readily available. Smith Wesson, thanks
(39:04):
for being with us, guys. This has been fun here.
I mean Smith and Wesson. You guys know him. You
love them allways. Fun stuff, always great guns that just
run and they're they're one of those guns that you're
gonna pass along the generations and generations listen. If you
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(39:26):
we will be right back with more gun talk. Hey,
welcome back to gun Talk. Another group that has come
(39:47):
to this Plinka palooza our Lipsies. Lipsys is actually a
gun distributor who's just down the road from us in Louisiana.
But they're a major gun distributor. I mean, and we've
probably talked about this before on the show, but gun
distributors are that two step distribution. Most of the gun
companies out there do not sell to the gun dealer,
(40:08):
your local gun dealer guy, they boast of them, sell
to a distributor who acts as their warehouse and their
sales team for the thousands and thousands of gun dealers
that are out there. Right So Lipsy's is just down
the road from us, and they do a really nice
job and work with most of the major gun manufacturers
out there. So it's I always love talking to those
(40:29):
guys because they have a finger on the pulse of
everything that's going on. They're talking to every single manufacturer
out there. They're talking to almost every single dealer out there.
I mean we're talking thousands and thousands of dealers, hundreds
of manufacturers. So they kind of see the trends and
sometimes I think they see the trends before everybody else does.
(40:50):
And in a way they're also trend setters because Lipsy's
does these special makeup guns, So they do hundreds of
these these special and if you check them out, it's
Lipsey's guns dot Com is kind of the site for
the consumer side of things where they show off their
their cool, unique things when they're whether working with Sig
Sour or Ruger or Springfield Armory or Glock, things that
(41:12):
Glock weren't wasn't doing. But Lipsy's you know, if you
or I say I got this idea for Glock, Hey,
you know what you should do Glock, well, Block's gonna
be like, yeah, great. But if Lipsy says it, and
Lipsey says and we'll buy one thousand or a five
hundred or two thousand of those to start, then all
of a sudden you have their attention and they'll actually
make some you know, they'll look at the idea. A
(41:36):
couple of the trends that they're seeing right now are interesting.
Straight wall cartridge is surging, and we've seen this for
a few years. I mean, straight wall is not really
a new thing. I mean you think about old school
straight wall forty five seventy four point fifty bush Master,
and then you've got kind of the new evolution of
(41:57):
that three point fifty legend I think four hundred legend,
three sixty buckhammer. Because this all comes from states requiring
straight wall cartridges to be used for hunting, and sometimes
that comes from states that only allowed shotguns for deer hunting.
A lot of times, in more like urban areas with
(42:19):
a lot of neighborhoods and population, they were worried about
rifles and the distance that they can shoot. I mean, obviously,
when you're hunting, you have to make sure you're not
skylining something, and you make sure of your target at
your backstop, even in the woods. But it was kind
of a I think a compromise in some ways where
you're like, Okay, now you can use a straight wall cartridge,
(42:40):
and it's just a little bit different. It's it's not
a full on bottlenecked high velocity magnum, but it's the
popularity of it. They're really fun, you know, you kind
of think of like old school lever actions or break
barrel single shots, but they're even chambering ar chamberings in
three fifty legend super fun. Honestly, the three fifty legend,
(43:01):
the three sixty buck hammer kind of replicates to a
certain degree the performance of a thirty thirty, And probably
anybody listening to this says, oh gosh, yeah, I mean
love thirty thirty. I've killed plenty of deer with thirty thirty.
In probably half of you were saying, the first deer
I killed was with a thirty thirty, and so, I mean,
ballistically very very similar to that. They're also just kind
(43:23):
of the nature of these cartridges. They're fun to suppress
because they're not super high power. People shoot them really well,
and they perform well. I mean, you can hit some
pretty decently heavy bullets with them. One hundred and eighty
grains in a three sixty buck hamber with four lock tipped.
I mean, that's gonna put down big game and anything,
certainly anything east of the Mississippi River. These are really
(43:46):
well suited for it. You're not talking about super long
range shots and stuff like that. So it's always fun
to look at the new cartridges, look at the new trends,
and it's also an opportunity to say, well, maybe I
need to buy another gun, and sometimes a new cartridge
gives you just the excuse you need to get that
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Speaker 4 (01:00):
Hey, welcome into gun Talk Radio today. On gun Talk Radio.
You can tell it's not Tom Gresham. I'm your guest host,
Ryan Gresham because Tom's on a road trip and I
think you guys probably know where he was and doing
a little training, doing some shooting. So we've got a
whole lineup of awesome guests on the show today because
(01:21):
I'm gonna give you kind of a behind the scenes
is we are hosting a special media event at the
Gun Talk Headquarters Range Ready Studios where we do our classes,
but sometimes we do these special media events that are
really just for the gun industry, and this one is
called Plinka Palooza, all centered around rim fire. So we
(01:43):
have a variety of different sponsors companies within this world,
and also a bunch of media making content, and so
we're gonna have some of those folks on throughout the show,
and we're going to talk about rimfire. We're going to
talk about shotguns and silencers and and guns obviously, and
a lot of other stuff. So welcome in and thanks
(02:05):
for joining us. First up, our first guest is a
man goes by many names, known as Jared Grove by
his mama. But actually your mama calls you box too, right.
Speaker 5 (02:15):
And she does gotta change your name. Say one, So everybody.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Yeah, you got one of the coolest nicknames out there,
Lunchbox aka box. You have a nickname for the nickname?
Speaker 5 (02:25):
Yeah, shortened it up, you know Spanish.
Speaker 6 (02:29):
I think it's alkoha. I don't know.
Speaker 5 (02:31):
I'm not fluent, but I've been called that. I assume
that's what that means.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I assume it was complimentary.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the guy liked me.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
So, dude, you've been on the show called Well. Everybody
was called Well, I mean probably what best known for
like shooting bags and like the lead sled.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, shooting dress, the lead sleds, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
I mean all kinds of great shooting accessories. I find
that it seems like to me called Well, you guys
do a really good job of finding that sweet spot
of good products that are super useful and helpful for
for shooters and hunters as well, but you know, at
a price that's like reachable for pretty much everybody.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
Yeah, that's always one of the requirements whenever we're getting
into a product that is it at a price that
the somebody's going to actually buy?
Speaker 6 (03:23):
You know? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Uh so yeah, so that's it's awesome we design around
that type of stuff, and uh, it's part of the
challenge when you when you get into it. But yeah,
it's what's going to making making something that uh, the
price is entirely too high for the average person.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
I'm sure that that happens, right when you think about
you design things, and you know, you get an engineer
that engineers the heck out of something, You're like, cool,
how much is it going to cost these people, well
you know this, this, this rest is going to cost
you know, nine hundred dollars, and it's like, well, that's
gonna be a problem. How do we make it one
(04:01):
hundred dollars?
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Especially when we bring in UH, a new engineer. Yeah,
that's that's kind of new into that that segment. And
you know, especially if they've worked in UH on stuff
where that wasn't a restraint, it's very interesting to be like, yeah,
that's a cool idea.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
That's that's amazing. It's way over built.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
It's way and then and then to UH to take
designs and to make them manufacturable is interesting.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
These are not government dollars here, no, exactly. You know,
the listeners of gun Talk Radio, this is Joe and
Betty and Jim, and they're going into Walmart or bass
Pro or Shiels and dude, I'm just trying to go
have bass part.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Doesn't want to sell your ten thousand dollars front shooting
rest a right.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
But look at it is. Yeah, at weighs six hundred pounds.
So dude, we were talking before and obviously you guys
have gotten big into clay throwers. I mean you kind
of been in that world for a while, but really
some really brand new cool stuff that you've been doing,
the clay more game changer type stuff. You got the
clay copter. But you're not just a product manager guy.
(05:08):
You were a collegiate shooter.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:10):
I shot for the University of Missouri for probably one
too many years.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Correct.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
A lot of people go to college for six years
box they're called doctors.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
I just got that one piece of paper, and I
was glad to get it, you know, but you know
it it really Yeah, I grew up shooting youth shooting
sports and went to college and it was something kind
of kept me in school, honestly, and then the contacts
of stuff from that literally, like that's why I'm in
(05:43):
the industry.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Talk about that, because we talked about this on on
gun Talk radio from time to time, Like, yeah, you
can actually get scholarships in shooting. You can, or you
can at least, you know, be on a club team
or whatever. How did you get onto a college team
And what was that like being on a college team.
I know it's it's been a couple of years, but like,
(06:07):
what was that.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
So there's a couple of ways if you're if you're
good enough and you really wanted, you know, pursue it.
You can get a a scholarship. It's really becoming way
more popular today than it was in the early two thousands.
Early two thousands, there was a few schools offering that
(06:30):
that were really going after those national championships and stuff,
but most of it was a club uh.
Speaker 6 (06:35):
And that's what we had.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
At University Missouri was a club team. So the way
I got into that was literally I shot all the
way through high school, shot registered trap. My father, Edward,
and my mother would take us around, me and my
brother and travel all over and shoot trap. And it
(06:57):
kind of got to graduation it was like, I'm not
ready to stop shooting. And I was like there, like, oh, well,
MISSOO has a shooting team. I was like, oh, go
check that out. And that was interesting being a freshman
in the dorms and figuring out how to to move
the firearms around.
Speaker 7 (07:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Yeah, guys like, oh, don't worry, just leave it at
my house. Yeah, you're a complete stranger.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Unfortunately, you were somewhat of a local boy, right your friends.
I know, I know somebody who's on a I don't
want to call out who it is. But sponsored pro
shooter in college right now, and a lot of colleges
they'll say for your freshman year, you have to live
on campus. Yes, and it's like, but I'm a pro shooter,
(07:46):
Like this is my other job. And she actually got
like a waiver to be able to live off campus
because of the guns. Like, hey, look, I'll stay in
your dorm, but I'm going to be carrying around on
you know, some pelican cases with things in them. I
don't think you want that. Well, you guys did some traveling.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Uh, we traveled quite a bit, which was was interesting
times for us.
Speaker 6 (08:14):
Like say, we we were a club.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
Team, so we didn't have charter buses and all that.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Like, let's be honest, you guys were the bad news bears.
Speaker 6 (08:21):
We were.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
We had some very talented, very talented shooters on our
team that would put us usually in the top three
in the nation for against teams given full right scholarships
at the time, which was was was really fun and
and honestly, like I knew a lot of the guys
and girls on on those teams too. Uh you know
that's great, but yeah, we would show up as we.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
Didn't have uniforms or it's that all matched. You know,
you have a big deal.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
When we got those, you had budget for shells and beverages.
Speaker 6 (08:52):
Is that yeah, it was.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
That was I remember several times like if we were
going to for example, like Colorado or Perdue was some
of the bigger ones, and we had friends that that
shot there obviously, and doing a college budget, I should
have documented you just it'd be funny like you had like, Okay,
it takes this amount of dollars in gas and now,
and it wasn't like you had an extra five bucks
(09:15):
just in case.
Speaker 6 (09:16):
Like it was. It was to the it was tight.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
Much.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
Yeah, well we'll get.
Speaker 5 (09:22):
This much bologna and this much white bread and that's
what we will eat. Uh. And then there was a
rather large beverage budget. Yeah for athletes, Yeah exactly. So yeah,
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(09:43):
and then like crashing and uh and people's duplexus and
stuff that were on the other team. You know, just
just make it work. Just make way too big of
a guy to be sharing twin beds with.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
With other Hey, college, there's a time and place for
everything of college. So box obviously you know, I said,
you guys have gotten to the clays. And that's why
I wanted to bring it up, is because I know
you're you're personally very excited about what you guys have
been doing on these clay throwers. And I'm gonna call
it clay throwers, and we're gonna get into really what
(10:19):
they really are, because what Caldwell is doing is really
a game changer. And that word gets thrown around too much, probably,
but it's truly something you new and unique that makes
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Speaker 4 (13:20):
Right, Welcome back to gun Talk Radio and your guest
host Ryan Gresham filling in for Tom today. And with
us we've got Jared Grovebox from Caldwell and we were
talking before the break about you know, you you grew
up shooting Clay's collegiate shooter, but you've been at cald
War for a while. I know we've talked about it,
but I wanted to set it up because I keep
(13:42):
calling it clay throwers, but I don't even know if
that's the right thing to call it, which you guys
have introduced.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
You're referring to our new product called the Clay Copter. Yeah,
the best, I guess easiest way to refer to it
as a clay thrower, but we completely redid the target
right like that was clay pigeons are over one hundred
and fifty years old like that, that's been design's been
around a long time, you know, and before that was
(14:10):
replacing glass balls and uh, live birds, you know of
all things.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
So it was time for.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Change and kind of like we were mentioned, like we
got to look at it, like there's got to be
a better way. The targets clay pigeons are getting pretty pricey.
The consumer wouldn't know it, but the dealer margins and
stuff on that are really tight, Like it's almost a
lost leader where they're trying to get you into the
(14:39):
store to Buyammo or something else to make some money
on it. So shipping isn't a thing like you can't
Amazon ship clay pigeons.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
You wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
You'd have a just mess when you got it there.
So we kind of started looking at that and there's
been there's been attempts at other targets and stuff and
target systems and it comes back. It's just as we
were mentioned, the engineering and stuff like that, you had
to add and say, hey, this is a consumable product.
You have to keep it reasonable and we would like
(15:11):
it to do all this. The launcher, you know, like
it has to be reasonable, it has to be manufacturable,
you know, and that comes down to an amazing engineering
team to take care of that. And it's it's wild
to see where they pull inspiration from. Like the first
one we showed the clay captures, there are those spinning
discs and everybody was like, oh, it's like a.
Speaker 6 (15:33):
Kid's toy the pull.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yeah, and shockingly, uh, not too far off. Like when
we were sitting and looking at a way to have
a hub on a thrower to that would spin a
motor obviously to spin this thing, but then you had
to make it stop and push a target off so
that it would propel. The guy was like, you know
(15:59):
those kids toys have those like ramped things, Like yeah,
and it's like basically pulling and launch. So you can see,
like a great engineer can see there and go, could
I use a bunch of servos and electronics and make
this very intricate.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
Thousand dollars?
Speaker 5 (16:17):
They could, but they're like, why when we can simplify
it and do that and make it and so yeah, everybody,
I don't know if it's just if they think if
it's funny or meant to be an insult, but it's
definitely not. If you say it looks like a kid's toy,
you're like, yeah, because it's a very effective design.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
It works very good.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
And going back to like what looked like successful that,
I said, it has to be affordable, and we have
to have it in wide distribution, like you have to
have consumable targets. If I'm shooting these targets, I have
to be able to go to where I buy my
traditional clay targets right and get them. So luckily, all
(16:58):
those dominoes fell right like they were supposed to. The
product was developed and designed by an amazing engineering team
that kept within those for those boundaries, and then we
got our buyers and retailers online on board with it.
They were excited about it. And you know, like I say,
I can't sit there and say it's a you know,
(17:22):
completely original, like there's been zz.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Bird and healing. It's pretty original, man, They don't sort.
So the clay Copter.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
Was the first version of this, right, the handheld.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Held clay copter, And if you haven't seen it, it
is it's handheld it's battery powered. It launches these discs
that it's I mean, it's back. So it's then it
launches the disc out and I mean we've done it.
I mean you're throwing discs. I don't know, seventy to one.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Hundred yards, yea, one hundred yards. Pretty amazing is the
on the max speed about fifteen thousand RPMs.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
But there's a new version. There's some new versions that
you guys have come out with.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 5 (18:02):
We launched that at Shot Show in twenty twenty five,
the handheld and two targets, and instantly had a lot
of feedback of Wow, this is really cool. It would
be really cool if it would do other stuff. I
cold fifty targets. Okay, it'd be really cool. It's really cool.
(18:25):
I don't know if I want to spend two hundred
dollars on it. You're like, okay, I get that. It's
it's new. You haven't shot, and you haven't experienced. I
can see that. So we need to figure out a
way to make more of an entry price point, perhaps,
And so I kind of had that all laid out,
kind of anticipating that would be some of the feedback,
(18:47):
not knowing it would be so so.
Speaker 6 (18:51):
Well received, and.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Lots of lots of too many of them, lots lots
of lots of comments, like literally reading all the comments
on all the social posts and YouTube videos and all that,
and it was like, yeah, just a lot of common themes.
And our executive team, like I said, I had like
a three to five year plan to develop some products
and you know, give the whole marketing guy, you know,
(19:15):
sandbag a little bit so I can take my time
of releasing this new concept of a shotgun target. And
we got back from shot showing the execs said we're
going to do all of it right now, and it's like, okay, cool,
and we'll release it over the next couple of years.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
Like we're going to release it shot Show twenty six. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
So it's like that's that is aggressive and along with
it's not like that's the only thing we do.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
There's a lot of other stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Iron's already in the fire, a battery operated traditional clay thrower,
clay more connect was was in the work. So I'm like, guy,
it's like that's that's a lot of engineering. So we
and uh, well, as of right now, the new surface
to air launcher, the one that holds fifty targets has
(20:05):
a really cool interactive app feature to where you can
control aim and do all that.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
That's I mean, it's not just throwing the same target
in the same direction every time. And what we're talking
about is I mean, it's I don't know if you'd
call it a wabble trap sort of favor. You can
control it with apps, so you can you can mess
with your buddy, you can challenge each other, and it's
not the same target every time.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
Nope, it you have that really cool We call it
Touch to Launch interaction, uh, interactive launching. In the app,
you can compare up to ten of them. I mean,
you're really building your own little sporting place course on
your farm if you want. Buddies can each get one
and then you can get together and pair them all
(20:51):
up or whatever. It run's on the same battery as
the handheld one, which was really cool. We had a
lot of compliments on the original, like this is so portable.
Speaker 6 (21:02):
I don't have to take this big.
Speaker 5 (21:06):
Thrower loaded in the car or the truck, or I
don't have to get a giant car battery. It's a
it's a little lithium ion battery. That you know, weighs
ounces and.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
The click I said you could you could keep that
thing on your kitchen table. Yeah, if you had a
if you had a back forty or something. Yeah, it's
just nothing.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
The surface to air weighs ten pounds, so it's like
it is a little bit bigger because of the magazine
and stuff that goes onto it. But we have a
molded case for it that ten pounds. You can just
take it anywhere.
Speaker 6 (21:37):
It's it's an.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Amazing how the portability innovation, like the innovation that we
brought in not just the target and the power source,
but then we're like, hey, you know, let's answer this
portability issue. This this stuff like you know, sometimes if
it becomes too big of a chore, then people just
won't go to the range, Like I don't want to
even dig that thrower out and dig the battery out
(21:59):
or hook ables up and try to It's just.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
It's such a new, a good way of doing it.
As we wrap this up box, what's the one thing
that people say when they shoot this.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Usually they're laughing or they go wow that that they're
really impressed with the speed that you can get a
target to go.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
In the distance.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Challenging and yeah, and the way that they move in
the wind not just a straight it's.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Like game changer. Throwers from Caldwell will be right back
with more gun Talks. Hey, welcome back to gun Talk.
(22:53):
I'm your host, Ryan Gresham Thomas on the road and
we are recording this from the gun Talk headquarters here
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and it's a media event centered around remfires. So we
have some of the big names in rimfires here at
our place with a bunch of media making videos and
writing articles and all that stuff. And of course one
of the names that you think of when you think
of rimfires as Smith and Wesson. So we've got the
guys from Smith and Wesson here, David Miguel, Welcome in man,
Thanks for having us. Thanks so you guys. I mean,
(23:59):
when you think of twenty two's when I think of
twenty two. As for Smith and Weston, I'll tell you
what I think of. I think the first two things
I think of are your twenty two revolvers, and because
that was something I grew up shooting. It was always
one of those guns that was the ten shot stainless
(24:20):
maybe six inch barrel. I think that was just such
a fun gun to shoot, an easy gun for a
kid to shoot. And then the other one is the
M and P fifteen twenty two. I mean it was
the first that I remember where was like a dedicated
twenty two ar. It wasn't a conversion kit with AA
was back I don't know, fifteen twenty years ago when
(24:42):
you had all that goofy stuff. This ran it felt right.
It had all the right controls on it, and I
mean perfect for putting a little suppressor on it, perfect
for putting a red dot. I had actually like a
two power Mini a COG it's a still on one
I have. It's just the perfect set up. Dave. Why
what is it about twenty twos and Smith and Wesson.
Speaker 12 (25:05):
Yes, I mean we have a very vast catalog for
people familiar with our brand, but yeah, with twenty two's
like you said, we have offerings from revolvers to AR platforms, pistols,
but the main thing with with twenty two platforms is
a reliability. So like you said, we have our fifteen
twenty two rifles. You know, we have a plethora of
(25:27):
SKUs available, different color ways, furniture, you know, performance center variants.
But they're really great tools to get into firearms for
you know, folks that are novice or inexperienced, and a
lot of the offerings we have are you know, competitively
priced that you get good value for what you're getting.
So if you're looking for training, you know, you could
(25:50):
always get into an M and P pistol has familiar
controls to our other m MP lines with higher calibers,
so it's a great training platform. It's good for you know,
plink in having fun, even hunting. So we have some
offerings where you can hunt with and then on the
competition side too. So for this week we have a
(26:11):
good variety some of our newer twenty two offerings like
the mm P twenty two X which launched in recent year,
as well as the FPC in twenty two, So those
are some of our newer offerings.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Talking about the FPC, yeah, FBC.
Speaker 12 (26:27):
It's a cool little platform. I think we we initially
launched it starting with nine millimeter a couple of years ago,
and we've expanded into ten millimeter, twenty two long rifle
and most recently the five to seven. But it's it's
a neat little platform where it's a it's a car
being but it it folds sideways, which is great because
(26:48):
you can keep your zero which is nice. But also
as in stock magazine storage, you primarily get three magazines
with each FPC, so you get a.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
Lot of rounds. Yep.
Speaker 12 (27:00):
But yeah, it's great Scott. You know mlock slots, threadd
if you want to throw a presser on it. But yeah,
we're excited to have that available.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
It's truly a unique design and it's it's also I'll
say this for really all of the twenty twos and
twenty two is fair to say that they can be
kind of finicky, especially semi auto twenty two's can be
finicky just the shape and size of the cartridge itself.
It's kind of tough as feeding, you know, feeding and stuff.
(27:30):
But I know, I mean, all the Smith and Wesson
semi autos that I've shot, they run great. I mean,
and you run all kinds of everymo through it. It
runs great. Yeah, yeah, I mean it's great, Miguel, you run.
You've been in customer service for Smith Wesson. And I
told you before we started this, I said, every time
I hear about somebody that's been in customer service at
(27:51):
any kind of gun company or am O company or
whatever in our world, I'll go, oh, boy, you have stories,
don't you?
Speaker 13 (27:58):
Absolutely for sure.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
I mean, look, I'm like, I love guns. I love
to shoot guns. I know better when I have a
screwdriver in my hand, it's a dangerous object. And I'm like,
I can take some pins out and take an upper
off and put it back on. But when we get
into you know, doing some real like hobbyist gunsmithing, that
(28:20):
I take it very slowly, or I call in, you know,
I phonte a friend and try to get help. We'll
be right back with more gun talk.
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Speaker 4 (31:14):
Hey, welcome back to gun talk. What are some of
the stories that you get from customers when it's like
I can't figure this out or I mean, let's just
be honest here, guns in bags, parts and bags.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
Oh easily.
Speaker 13 (31:27):
I mean, we always hope that if you find yourself
in that situation, you'll give us a call. Yeah, but
in most cases the consumer has YouTube, and of course
you'll go there and think you can do just about anything.
I can't tell you how many different components have been
added to guns, like JB weld, Oh Boy, epoxies that
I have no idea where they came from, just to
(31:48):
try to fix mistakes that consumers have made. But you know,
we're amazing company with a lifetime warranty against manufacturing defects.
But we also know we have to help out and
in a lot of cases we'll go ahead and get
that taken care of, whether it's taking apart, revolver, try
to figure something out or try to modify it in
some way, or are semiato pistols or rifles of course,
(32:09):
you know attachments you can put on these ar platforms
like the fifteen to twenty two. I mean, people can
go crazy and sometimes they don't realize palm or lower
and as they're driving pins and out, they're cracking things
and breaking things. Yeah, cross writing, screws, I mean bags, boxes,
shoe boxes full of parts. I mean we could get
(32:30):
into how people send things and be here for hours,
but yeah, it's entertaining way.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
How often do you get you here from a customer
and you think I wish you would have contacted us sooner.
Speaker 13 (32:43):
Every day, Yeah, every day we get a few stories
like that, like.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
We're here, Yeah, we're ready, we'll take your call.
Speaker 6 (32:48):
Happy to take your call, help you out.
Speaker 13 (32:51):
One of the coolest stories is getting the guy who
has an issue in quick quite figure it out, and
he lives in an area of rural area and we
help him out. He's like, hey, hold on my work,
walks out the back door, boom off a few rounds.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
He's like, that's amazing.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
That works. I'm like, yes, right, alad, we'll do it
that way. You know, that's fantastic. Smith and Wesson has
been around since eighteen fifty two. Are there any notable
old guns that have come in.
Speaker 13 (33:21):
I've had guns come in from nineteen hundred, it's like
early nineteen o eight, nineteen ten.
Speaker 6 (33:27):
We won't touch them.
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Yeah, we have a cutoff.
Speaker 6 (33:30):
Anything be low nineteen sixty.
Speaker 13 (33:32):
We don't want to work on lack of parts and okay,
the finishes are completely different from where they are today.
But yes, I've seen some model threes come in.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
Oh my gosh. Yeah, and we'll take a look at him.
Speaker 13 (33:43):
Yeah, we'll clean them, maybe lule bum a little bit,
but that's about it as far as we'll go.
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Is there any Is there any service if somebody has
an old Smith and Wesson that they want to get
information about, or providence or something like that, Can you
guys provide information about an old gun? You like, I've
got this thing. Here's a serial number.
Speaker 13 (34:03):
Absolutely, So we have an immense amount of information, catalogs.
Speaker 6 (34:09):
Data sheets.
Speaker 13 (34:10):
I could tell you a gun has been manufactured in
eighteen hundreds, No, okaya have serial numbers going back that far.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
So yeah, you can give us a call.
Speaker 13 (34:17):
My team would be happy to take a take a
look at their sheets see what we could come up with.
But yeah, I mean we're pretty good at dating.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
That's very cool because you know, we get it because
if you're the gun guy amongst your group of friends
or co workers, you know, oh, yeah, I've got this
old gun and I think it was this or my
grandpa did this. But that's a good point, Like they
can just reach out to you. I mean, you can
look on the gun and say, yeah, I know it's
a Smith Wesson, but I don't even know what the
story is on this gun.
Speaker 13 (34:41):
Give a serial number, we'd be happy to tell you.
In most cases, we can tell you what frame, what
the most practical barrel length, or yeah, how many shots
in the celinder? I mean, we can tell you quite
a bit just based off a serial number.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
What about people that say, I have an old gun,
is it safe to shoot? How do you approach that?
Speaker 13 (34:58):
That's a really great question that we get a lot of,
and in all honesty, it's a question we'd be happy
to answer. But the only way to do it is
by getting the gun in Yeah, and I was taking
a look at it, yeah, which we would be happy
to do, okay, And we provide shipping labels for the consumer,
and instructions are not to send it in it's really simple.
They'll bring it in our master gunsmence will be happy
to take a look at it, and they'll let you
know whether it's safe to shoot or not.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
That's awesome, Dave. You guys launched the Smith west Of Academy,
or I should really kind of say relaunched it. I
know that Smith Weston had an academy for decades up
in Massachusetts, and you guys moved operations to Tennessee. You've
got this beautiful place, you got all this land, and
somebody said, you know what we could do, We could
actually build our own range.
Speaker 6 (35:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (35:38):
Yeah, we reopened the Smith Weston Academy at our new
headquarters in Tennessee. It originated up in Springfield and it
started out as a law enforcement training center, and then
we had the shooting complex that was opened to the
public up north and that shut down in twenty seventeen.
And then with the move to Tennessee, we had you know,
(36:00):
acres behind the building and decided it was time to
bring it back. So within the past year and a
half we opened the new training facility and it's sitting
on around forty acres. We have three fifty yard pistol ranges,
one hundred by one hundred flex range. We actually have
an outdoor three hundred yard rifle range with baffling and
(36:23):
then a two story shootthouse. So you have real spoiler's
right out out our back door.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Yep. And just to I don't want Dave to gloss
over this. The one hundred one one hundred yards by
one hundred yards almost three sixty is that about almost?
Speaker 6 (36:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's a really impressive. It's
a really impressive range. It's cool that you can do there.
Talk about the guy who runs the range, because coaches
is a different cat.
Speaker 12 (36:50):
Yeah, we're real lucky to partner up with Marco Ciolo,
former Seal Team six guy a lot of years serving
this country. And yeah, actually ran the BUDGS training for
years and I think he's pushed through over four thousand
candidates in his training.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
Four thousand seals how to shoot correct and he's running
your place and now now he's with us at Smith
and West.
Speaker 12 (37:12):
Yeah, so real lucky to get him. He's a great guy,
very knowledgeable and experienced. And yeah, he's running courses it
is open to the public to take, you know, intro, intermediate,
and advanced pistol courses car being it's all based around
self defense. But yeah, that's open to the public now
and and courses are available online to sign up. And
(37:35):
outside of the public side of things, we do offer
training to our professional partners as well, so local law
enforcement will come in and trained and and it's great
to have that as a resource.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
It's awesome, Dave. Besides rim Fire, you guys have brought
out some other new guns this year. What's a couple
of the favorites for you.
Speaker 12 (37:56):
I think the steel frame MMPs was one that was
looking forward to. You know, we tried to do our best
to listening to consumers constantly and that was one that
people were asking for. You know, we had the aluminum
frames which were the Metal series, and then we actually
did our first steel frame MVP in the Spec series
a couple of years ago. But this is the first,
(38:17):
you know, standard steel frame MVP that we have. We
also have a competitive version, you know, with all the
bells and whistles, lightning cuts, spiral, food barrel more competition geared.
Those have been real popular and we're excited to have
those available five to seven in the FPC. We recently
launched that shot show once again. That's the the folding
(38:39):
pistol carbing and it's just a fun round to shoot.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
The five to seven is a magic little cartridge. I mean,
it's just it's got some nice power to it. It
has kind of almost no recoil, similar to twenty two right.
And and I will say this, some people will say
the five to seven AMO is expensive. I think the
price has come down a little bit on five seven
AM and it's it's more readily available. Smith Wesson, thanks
(39:04):
for being with us, guys. This has been fun here.
I mean Smith and Wesson. You guys know him. You
love them allways. Fun stuff, always great guns that just
run and they're they're one of those guns that you're
gonna pass along the generations and generations listen. If you
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(39:26):
we will be right back with more gun talk. Hey,
welcome back to gun Talk. Another group that has come
(39:47):
to this Plinka palooza our Lipsies. Lipsys is actually a
gun distributor who's just down the road from us in Louisiana.
But they're a major gun distributor. I mean, and we've
probably talked about this before on the show, but gun
distributors are that two step distribution. Most of the gun
companies out there do not sell to the gun dealer,
(40:08):
your local gun dealer guy, they boast of them, sell
to a distributor who acts as their warehouse and their
sales team for the thousands and thousands of gun dealers
that are out there. Right So Lipsy's is just down
the road from us, and they do a really nice
job and work with most of the major gun manufacturers
out there. So it's I always love talking to those
(40:29):
guys because they have a finger on the pulse of
everything that's going on. They're talking to every single manufacturer
out there. They're talking to almost every single dealer out there.
I mean we're talking thousands and thousands of dealers, hundreds
of manufacturers. So they kind of see the trends and
sometimes I think they see the trends before everybody else does.
(40:50):
And in a way they're also trend setters because Lipsy's
does these special makeup guns, So they do hundreds of
these these special and if you check them out, it's
Lipsey's guns dot Com is kind of the site for
the consumer side of things where they show off their
their cool, unique things when they're whether working with Sig
Sour or Ruger or Springfield Armory or Glock, things that
(41:12):
Glock weren't wasn't doing. But Lipsy's you know, if you
or I say I got this idea for Glock, Hey,
you know what you should do Glock, well, Block's gonna
be like, yeah, great. But if Lipsy says it, and
Lipsey says and we'll buy one thousand or a five
hundred or two thousand of those to start, then all
of a sudden you have their attention and they'll actually
make some you know, they'll look at the idea. A
(41:36):
couple of the trends that they're seeing right now are interesting.
Straight wall cartridge is surging, and we've seen this for
a few years. I mean, straight wall is not really
a new thing. I mean you think about old school
straight wall forty five seventy four point fifty bush Master,
and then you've got kind of the new evolution of
(41:57):
that three point fifty legend I think four hundred legend,
three sixty buckhammer. Because this all comes from states requiring
straight wall cartridges to be used for hunting, and sometimes
that comes from states that only allowed shotguns for deer hunting.
A lot of times, in more like urban areas with
(42:19):
a lot of neighborhoods and population, they were worried about
rifles and the distance that they can shoot. I mean, obviously,
when you're hunting, you have to make sure you're not
skylining something, and you make sure of your target at
your backstop, even in the woods. But it was kind
of a I think a compromise in some ways where
you're like, Okay, now you can use a straight wall cartridge,
(42:40):
and it's just a little bit different. It's it's not
a full on bottlenecked high velocity magnum, but it's the
popularity of it. They're really fun, you know, you kind
of think of like old school lever actions or break
barrel single shots, but they're even chambering ar chamberings in
three fifty legend super fun. Honestly, the three fifty legend,
(43:01):
the three sixty buck hammer kind of replicates to a
certain degree the performance of a thirty thirty, And probably
anybody listening to this says, oh gosh, yeah, I mean
love thirty thirty. I've killed plenty of deer with thirty thirty.
In probably half of you were saying, the first deer
I killed was with a thirty thirty, and so, I mean,
ballistically very very similar to that. They're also just kind
(43:23):
of the nature of these cartridges. They're fun to suppress
because they're not super high power. People shoot them really well,
and they perform well. I mean, you can hit some
pretty decently heavy bullets with them. One hundred and eighty
grains in a three sixty buck hamber with four lock tipped.
I mean, that's gonna put down big game and anything,
certainly anything east of the Mississippi River. These are really
(43:46):
well suited for it. You're not talking about super long
range shots and stuff like that. So it's always fun
to look at the new cartridges, look at the new trends,
and it's also an opportunity to say, well, maybe I
need to buy another gun, and sometimes a new cartridge
gives you just the excuse you need to get that
new gun. We'll be right back with more guns.
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