April 26, 2026 • 43 mins
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-- Assistant U.S. Attorney General Harmeet Dhillon chats with Tom about what the DOJ is doing to protect the Second Amendment and where she now practices with her Glocks.
-- Cam Edwards delivers an update on the assaults on gun owner rights in Virginia.
-- What's the difference between training and practiciing with your gun?
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-- Assistant U.S. Attorney General Harmeet Dhillon chats with Tom about what the DOJ is doing to protect the Second Amendment and where she now practices with her Glocks.
-- Cam Edwards delivers an update on the assaults on gun owner rights in Virginia.
-- What's the difference between training and practiciing with your gun?
Gun Talk 04.26.26 Hour 3
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
So much to cover, so many guns to talk about.
I'm Tom Gresham. This is gun Talk. You can follow
me over on x where I am at gun Talk
because I continue talking all week long over there, and
you can participate. You could argue with me, you can
call me out, do whatever you want to don Okay,
it's pretty hard to hurt my feelings. Well, sometimes sometimes
I get a little bit upset about stuff. So I'm
(00:40):
better now, It's okay. At the Inner Ratio a couple
of weeks ago, I grab some good interviews and one
of them with har Meat Dylon. She's the Assistant US
Attorney General at the Department of Justice, and she is
I don't know, somewhere between a crocheting bulldog because you
post pictures of all the crocheting he does there and knitting.
(01:01):
But she is tough as nails. It was a fun interview.
Here you go. Hey, we the NRA annual meetings in Houston,
and unbelievably we have well It's easy to say rock star,
but you are Harmy. Dillon is the Assistant Attorney General
in charge of Civil Rights Division, and within that you
have the Second Amendment Section. Now we talked at Shot Show.
(01:22):
Things have been happening since Shot Show. The big thing
everybody wants to know about is what's going on in Virginia.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah. Well, you know, Virginia used to be a place.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I mean, of course it changes hands with the governor
every four years, but it used to be a place
where hunting was respected. You know, I have colleagues in
my office who have a you know, AR fifteen's and
their homes and and you know, you know, enjoy hunting
and enjoy self defense. And suddenly we have this new
(01:52):
governor who is in the mode of a California or
a New York style crackdown on fire arms, and so
she has encouraged legislature to send her this package of
radical bills that really strip not just gun owners of
their freedoms, but also take square at gun manufacturers, require
(02:16):
gun owners to render their firearms inoperable, you know, imposed
liability that is at odds with federal law regarding manufacture,
and even a law that impacts so called ghost guns
and gun manufacture of parts. And so this package of
bills is very radical, and you know when I learned
about it, I sent after the legislature passed their package,
(02:40):
I sent a letter to the governor on just like
last week of less than two weeks ago, warning her
that if she signed some of these bills, we would
file suit. And so she has signed two of these
bills that I think are concerning. She sent the so
called assault weapons ban back to the legislature with some
(03:00):
technical admits, right, make it worse it worse.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Makes it worse.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Since she hasn't gotten that back yet, and even if
it gets past the other sneaky thing about the legislature
and the governor's scheme is that they have a referendum
going on right now regarding redistricting. So they've literally set
the effective date out of these bad bills to be
just beyond.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
That because they don't want to be judged on the
gun ban. They don't want people to say, oh, you
did of a gun band, so we're going to vote against
you on that. Right. I want to set this up
make sure that people understand because I was there thirty
years ago when the gun control group I call them the
gun band Lobby, instituted a number of lawsuits against manufacturers,
and they were very clear at the time. They said
(03:43):
was our plan is to put them out of business.
We want to bankrupt entire industry. And that's how we
got the Protection Lawful Commerce and Arms Act, a federal law,
which goes to you're saying, what they're trying to do
at the state level actually is in conflict with federal
law now well.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
On the liability protections for gun manufacturers. So you know,
what this does is basically eviscerate.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
That federal law.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
And I think that's a real problem because federal law
is obviously supreme in our system of government visa the
state law, and so I think that's a very easy
knockout for that particular law. But I mean, imagine if
you have the right to bear arms, but they're criminalizing
magazines that are widely in use. California has effectively rendered
(04:29):
blocks a firearm. I have two blocks. I bought them
in California. Now I can't go back to California with them,
you know. So, I mean, these are real problems for
gun owners. And the Supreme Court has recognized that the
right to any particular right. Is it nugatory if you
can't buy it, or acquire it or enjoy it. I mean,
what if you have a right to, you know, drink alcohol,
(04:52):
but no one's allowed to manufacture it in the United States.
That's kind of an empty right. So I think it's
kind of a similar situation.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
All right. So as they try to ban semi automatic firearms,
they'd like to call it your ars. But basically I'll
send me automatic firearms. And the Supreme Court and Heller
said you can't ban guns that are in common use
for lawful purposes.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Is this where doj steps in and says, wait a minute,
you can't do that.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
We've already done that. Actually we aren't waiting on this issue.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Now.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
The Court hasn't squarely ruled as a whole Supreme Court
on semi automatic rifles, but Justice Thomas has separately opined
in cases, and you know, including recent cases, that the
AR fifteen is the most widely used in popular rifle
in the United States, and by definition and the extension
of the holdings in Heller and Bruin, you.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Know, it's presumptively legal.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
And that's exactly what I argued in the Seventh Circuit,
Seventh Circuit, there was the Illinois Assault Weapons Ban, so
called assault Weapons Band, similar to the law that Virginia
is about to pass, and it outlaws, you know, over
a thousand in different types of firearms and firearm parts, silencers,
et cetera. And you know, we argued in that case
(06:07):
more than six months ago. I personally argue Seventh Circuit.
I argued in the Seventh Circuit. I think we have
a very good argument. The judges didn't love it, but
you know, the judges understand that that's where the court
is going. The court is going. I think if that
case we're in front of the Supreme Court, a majority
of the court would have ruled that consistent with those
prior precedents, the AR fifteen meets that test or similar firearms, right,
(06:31):
So I think that's where the Court's going. And so
we just have to frankly pray that this court gets
that case and that these justices get the opportunity to
current make with its current makeup, or better to imagine it.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
All right, let me switch to something that's a little
bit more fied. Okay, you're posting pictures of you out
there shooting. Yeah, you're having a good time shooting.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I am having a good time shooting.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I'm a firearms owner and I brought my firearms with
me from California, and I I have a CCW permit
for all of my you know, pistols in DC can't
carry them very far, but you know I can't carry them,
and you know, I just like to keep in good practice.
We can always improve. So I had an NRA female
(07:15):
firearms instructor meet me at the range out in Fairfax, Virginia,
which is a significant distance. So like my assistant and
I had to take them half a day off and
go drive out there and tried out. I tried out
to twenty two. I don't have a twenty two. I
have all nine millimeter firearms, but I took a couple
of mine and I tried a couple of hers, and
you know, we had a good time, and I was
(07:36):
just trying to get a sense of you know, what
range I'm accurate at. Obviously for self defense in the home,
it's a short range, but you know, for other purposes
you want to be good. So anyway, I got a
little bit of a flack from your online community on
the quality of my shooting and my aim and my
stance and so forth.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
That's why we trained, That's why we train.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
And I think, you know, I do think it's important
that the community encourage women in self defense. And you know,
women often field more comfortable training with other women, women instructors.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
We need more women instructors. Yes, I have a good friend.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Who's a female instructor in California. And you know, we
have to enjoy these rights proudly. And so I encourage
all women who are watching this to not be deterred
by the male critics out there, and you know, go
out there and get it done. And you know, I
mean I got a lot of feedback.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Okay, and you can't say but I could say it,
and all you guys knock it off. You know, when
a new person is learning to shoot, we all started somewhere,
We all were not terribly good. But to somewhahow mock
or hold up to ridicule somebody who's trying to learn
doesn't make you look better. It just makes you look less.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
That Yeah, I mean, look, I'm pretty, I'm not very
thin skinned, and you know, I let's just say it
had been a few years in California it's become increasingly
difficult to get to a range. So my husband and
I had the firearms at home, but to get to
a range you have to like drive three counties over
and so you get out.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Of practice a little bit.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
So I've had the opportunity now since that went viral.
If my local US marshalls people were like, hey, there's
an FBI firearms range right across the street, this Dylan.
So they've taken me over to the FBI range and
so I've had the opportunity to train and get feedback
from some of our FBI experts. And you know, the
(09:31):
thing I'm debating now is to whether to put those
red dot sites on my leapons or.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
That's a whole that's how we start bar fight.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I was actually more accurate with the manual site and
not the electronic one.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
So I'm kind of debating.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
That's a transition and when you start it's a little
bit more different. Let me ask you here before we
have to get out of here, what are you doing
at the NRA show? What are you doing here?
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Well?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I actually am speaking in a little while at the
legal seminar that's happening on just you know, second Amendment
legal issues at the Department of Justice and what we're
doing and how we're ramping up.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Everybody has an opinion. But I was there in the
morning and my colleagues at ATF also spoke.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
On a panel, and we're very committed at the Department
of Justice to standing up for Second Amendment rights.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And so I'm here.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
The Acting Attorney General is here, Todd Blanchees here as well,
and a couple of his staff.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I just saw them walk by.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
And you know, we were at SHATCHO, several of us
and one of my colleagues, my former law partners, is
a Deputy White House Counsel, Garylkowski.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
He's here.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
He and David Warrington, the White House Counsel, and I
all represented National Association or Gun Rights. So we are
longtime advocates for the Second Amendment community, and we're pretty
passionate about it.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
So I have said several times, and I've done this
for a long, long long time. I mean, my dad
interviewed President Reagan in the Oval Office about guns. So
that's how far back this goes. This is the most
pro Second Amendment administration we have had period as far
back becaus you can look back at hoh Shtree.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I think that's right, and you know, the President's sons
are hunters, and there's just a lot of love for
the community. The President passed an executive order very early
on in his administration regarding the Second Amendment, and that's
why we have a Second Amendment section in the DOJ.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
We and people are very impatient in the community. They're like,
why now do this? Now do that?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Now?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Do that? Nook.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
We We're hiring up. We've hired some lawyers from the
Second Amendment community. Barry Errington from National Association of Gun
Rights just joined my department earlier this month, and so
we're drafting these lawsuits and filing them as fast as
we can. Even before we had the Second Amendment section,
I sued Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department for taking three
years to issue permit permit that should be shall issue quickly.
(11:48):
We filed an amicus brief in the Wolford case in
the Supreme Court, where Hawaii has, you know, made it
virtually impossible to carry under its flipping of the presumption,
and I'm very confident of a good outcome there. I
believe the court was very skeptical of Hawaii's position, and
you know, other places we look for opportunities like the
(12:09):
Illinois case I mentioned, and like others. And so we
have some bad circuits, like Virginia is doing what it's
doing because the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals has some
very bad precedents. But you know, Fourth Circuit can't ignore
it Supreme Court eventually, so we have to.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Bring these cases. Sometimes you lose them. Then we get
them up to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
And it is a long fight.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
It's a fight requiring a multi year and institutional commitment,
and that's what we have. We have three years left
to go.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
But I want it all and I want it right now.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
I know, I know, and you know nothing is permanent.
People also need the owners need to understand we have
a good Supreme Court right now because we have a
great president administration and if people sleep on those rights,
they will be taken from us, no questions ask.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Bard that end. The way you make them somewhat more
permanent is to win the elections and get things done legislatively.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
That's right, that's right too. We get a lot of flack,
why are you doing this? Why are you doing that?
Like we can do certain things at the Department of
Justice to attack bad state laws. We can't change federal
law through our activity. That's for Congress to do in
the president.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
So there you go. All right, Harmie Dillon, the Assistan
Attorney General in charge of civil Rights at the Apartment
of Justice, go and do some more good stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I'm going to do that, all right, ranks a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Thank you, take care, don't go far. We'll be right
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Speaker 2 (16:12):
All right, I've got a flat for you right now.
If you want to give me a call, do that.
The number here is Tom Talk Gun. Pretty easy, Tom
Talk Gun. Really don't matter what you want to talk
about it. If there's a handgun, pistol, rifle, Ammo question, how
long does AMMO last? Do your magazines? Springs take a set?
I mean, we'll go anywhere you want to. I don't care,
(16:33):
because I like to talk about this stuff. It is
all fun for me, So give me a call eight
six' Six talk gun Or Tom Talk. Gun one of
the things THAT i mentioned through the years is we
often forget to acknowledge openly just how much fun shooting.
Is it's just. FUN i don't care if you're wing
shooting or shooting twenty twos or pistols or. Rifles, whatever
(16:55):
it's that's. Fun we should embrace that in several different.
Ways a. Suggestion we're headed into the time when we
got better weather size and warm sometimes two, warm but that's.
Okay you could accommodate. That just, say, hey this is.
FUN i like doing. This i'm going to do it more.
(17:16):
Often go out to the range more. Often find some
people to go. With if there's a some kind of
a shooting league at your local, range you might want
to get. Involved you, go, Well i'm not that. Good
you don't have to be that good to go shoot
in the. League they have people of all different, abilities, shotguns, rifles,
handguns didn't. Matter if you, think, Well i'd like to
(17:36):
shoot that fast, stuff But i'm not very good at,
that that's. Okay find where they're doing a steel. Challenge
it is the easiest thing in the. World you got
five steel targets and you can shoot a, pistol you
can shoot a twenty two, rifle you can shoot, drawing
you can shoot from low ready if you don't want to,
draw a lot of different ways you can go and
(17:57):
there will be people who are incredibly. Fast don't worry about.
It you don't have to be. Fast you can just
you're there to have. Fun at least that's the WAY
i approach. It the other Thing i'm with thinking that
you might want to try because there's a lot of
interest in long range, shooting and there's a lot involved.
There there's a lot to, learn and the learning part is,
fun and you just. Go you, KNOW i don't know
(18:20):
THAT i can hit something at five hundred or seven hundred.
Yards yeah you can with the right, gear and it
may not even be much more than what you already.
Have with the right gear and a little bit of,
instruction you can learn how to read the, wind you
can learn how to shoot better off a. Bench and
it is so. Much and let me tell, you the
(18:41):
first time you bang a steel target at a thousand,
yards it is something. ELSE i, mean you will projectally
break your face in half with your. Smile it is
something to. Behold it's like you pull the, trigger goes,
bang and then you have to. Wait you can see
the impact on the, steel and then you wait again
(19:03):
for the sound to come all the way back to.
YOU i just tell, YOU i love doing that. STUFF
i don't do it. ENOUGH i don't have a good
place to do it that's close, By but ANYTIME i
get a chance to do. IT i, do AND i
would just, say you, know you might want to look at.
That it is a fun thing to. DO i tell you.
What let's run on the phone line one breadth with
(19:23):
us out Of. Oklahoma, Hey, brett you made on the gun.
Talk what's on your? Mind?
Speaker 11 (19:28):
HEY i got a great New celtich five to seven
and a unique. HOLSTER i got a bible. Holster it
zips up and locks and it looks like it's this
Holy bible on the front of. It, no and it
has a, perfect you, know.
Speaker 12 (19:48):
A little lock on.
Speaker 11 (19:49):
It and When i'm not in my, HAND i can lock.
It WHEN i have, it my hand is. Unlocked and
it looks.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Like you're carrying A. Bible that's for.
Speaker 11 (20:00):
Sure got a kick out of. It he Ends ip
just looked in it and went.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Whoa let me guess he wanted one like.
Speaker 11 (20:08):
It and the caw take five to seven at The
senate just, immaculate you, Know, okay tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
PISTOL i don't want to hear what it's like to
shoot that.
Speaker 11 (20:21):
PISTOL i haven't got to shoot it. Yet WHAT i
haven't got to shoot it? YET i Got i'm restricted
to a wheelchair AND i just they're building a new
range a wildlife area here that's wheelchair, Accessible thank. Goodness
(20:41):
the old.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
One was got uh, huh well you got something to
look forward to. There you're gonna enjoy shooting that. NOW
i will say you probably already know. This it's. Loud
five seven pistols are.
Speaker 11 (20:53):
Loud Oh i've got six of, them SO i.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
My, god you know all about?
Speaker 11 (21:01):
It, Then, ruger you know the compact pulls up you,
Know oh.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Okay, yeah the little uh little, carbing, yeah the carb yeah, yeah,
yeah THE pdw kind of rig, yeah is.
Speaker 11 (21:15):
THAT i got it in it forty five and they
came out with ten millimeters right AFTER i got the forty,
five AND i should have probably but a well ten
millimeter yet Because i'm waiting for the eleven eleven millimeters
to come out eve a meal.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Meter, YEAH i will wait for. That we want to
go to. Eleven, Hey, BRETT i appreciate you were the
captain Of might as. Well it's LIKE i, said, well
do you have? That? Yeah do you have?
Speaker 5 (21:39):
That?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
YEAH i got that. Too it's just like they bring
you out a new, one might as. Well we'll get
that one. Too wait to Go BRETT a great. CALL
i appreciate. That, yeah we're looking for your range of.
Ports where have you been? Shooting what do you think about?
Buying when we come, back we're going to be talking
about this. MESS i want to talk really real world,
politics state, politics because we talk about national and sometimes
there's not a lot you could do on the national,
level but you can do a lot on the state.
(22:00):
Level but you need a state. Group but you also
be people who will show. Up what DO i? Say
you got to show, up speak, up and stand. Up
and if you don't do, that guess what the other side.
Wins and when they, win they get to do what they.
Want and boyl they ever doing it to us out In.
Virginia all, right that puts you, Here Tom, grass if
(22:27):
you can call me at eight sixty Six Talk gun
Or Tom Talk, gun that'll get you. Here over ON
X i am At Gun Talk And i'm posting stuff
all the time over, there mostly just picking up stories
and sharing them so that you could be better informed
throughout the. Week another guy who does that where he
posts a lot of, stuff but he's got a website
where he basically keeps people informed over at bearing arms dot.
(22:48):
Com Is Cam. Edwards he joined us right. Now, cam
how are, you my?
Speaker 11 (22:51):
Friend i'm, Good?
Speaker 13 (22:53):
Tom how are, you?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Sir? WELL i am. Good i'm better off than you
are because you're In virginia and you're having to put
up with that mess that's going on for somebody who's
not paying. Attention does you already know haven't been living?
There how do you explain what's happened In?
Speaker 13 (23:06):
Virginia probably the best way to explain it is That
democrats are trying to turn us Into california Or New.
York in the span of you, know one legislative. Session
so we had thirteen different gun control bills that were
passed by the legislature this.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Year.
Speaker 13 (23:27):
And you, KNOW i suspect that all of them in
some shape or form going to become law as Of
july the. First and so this is everything from a
ban on In. Virginia they call them assault firearms and
large capacity, magazines where they've arbitrarily defined as anything over fifteen.
Rounds you've Got reciprocity is in danger now because The Attorney,
(23:50):
general it was extremely anti, gun is basically going to
be able to determine what statee spermits will. Recognize right
Now virginia's universal. Reciprocity we've got storage mandate's going to
effect gun, bands f eighteen to twenty year olds who
can no longer purchase handguns in private. Sales you've got
(24:10):
new carry. BANDS i, mean it's really you, know from
from top to, bottom they have just completely tried to
rewrite our gun.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Laws it sounds like the complete shopping list of the
gun band.
Speaker 13 (24:22):
Lobby the amazing thing is that they didn't pass everything
that was. INTRODUCED i guess they're saving some stuff for next.
Year but you, know they also had things like an
eleven PERCENT xis ax on farms, ammunition a five hundred
dollars tax on the purchase of, suppressors a permit to,
purchase a requirement for, handguns perhaps even all. Firearms so
(24:45):
you know there's more to, come, unfortunately but this really
is bad. ENOUGH i, mean this is a sea. Change
we've gone from a state with you, know pretty decent gun,
laws not constitutional, carry but you get open carry without a.
Permit there were no gun, bands no magazine there or capacity.
Restrictions for a, while we had one gun a, month
but then that went away and then went. Back but
(25:06):
the conscuco carro holders were, exempt and then you, know
LIKE i, said they're they're essentially trying to turn us
Into New. Jersey the one thing That i'm really surprised
we didn't see more of are are the establishment of
gun free. Zones there is one bill that essentially bans
the open carry or the carrying of quote unquote are
sold firearms on streets and sidewalks in the public. Parks
(25:29):
BUT i really expected that we would see legislation you
know that looks very similar To, maryland looks very similar
To New jersey in terms of restricting where concealed carry
holders can exercise the right to bear arms In.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Virginia but they'll come back and do. That i'll.
Speaker 13 (25:45):
Try, yeah that may be coming next, year, Right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
So explain how this all came about with the election
of your new.
Speaker 13 (25:53):
Governor, Yeah So virginia has off your, elections which means
that last no. Member we had an election for all
of our statewide offices, governor lieutenant, governor attorney, general and
then the entirety of the it's called The house Of
delegates as the lower chamber in the state, legislature And
(26:14):
democrats had a really good. Night they went FROM i
think a two seat majority in The house to essentially
a veto proof majority in The. HOUSE i think they
picked up fifteen. Seats Abigail, spenberger The democrat candidate for,
governor won by fifteen. Points the race that was the
one which is just. Massive it is ABSOLUTELY i, mean you,
(26:36):
know this was a state that Elected Glenn, Youngkin, republican you,
know four years. Earlier even J, jones the attorney general
for the candidate for The, democrats a guy who had
been you, know caught joking about the deaths of a colleague's,
kids basically saying, that you, know he wishes that they
(26:57):
would be killed so that maybe this lawmaker which changed
his mind about gun. Control he even. Won it was
a it was a you, know a somewhat close, RAISE
i think one, way like five. Points but, Yeah democrats
had a really good. Night and you, know for a
variety of, REASONS i happened to think that we had
a fairly weak slate of candidates win some series great
(27:19):
on our, issue but she.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Did not run a good.
Speaker 13 (27:21):
Campaign. Uh but you, know regardless of the, Reasons, Uh
democrats are taking full advantage of you, know the season
they picked up and they're they're not at.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
All, yeah all, Right so listening to the, past, Now
Harvey dillon has said that once they go into, effect
when the law is going to, effect that she plans
to come back and Sue, virginia and the, THINKING i,
Mean i'm thinking probably at that, point maybe they get,
injunction maybe they stopped enforcement of it while it's going.
THROUGH i, mean do you have any thoughts on what's
(27:56):
going on?
Speaker 12 (27:56):
There?
Speaker 13 (27:57):
YEAH i, mean so, again you, know we've got thirteen different.
BILLS i don't expect THE dj is going to sue
on all of. Them but the problem with is suing
over the gun of magazine ban is That virginia is
located in The Fourth Circuit court Of, appeals which is
already upheld the state Of maryland's ban on assault. Weapons
it's already Upheld maryland's restrictions on magazines over ten. Rounds
(28:21):
so the challenge there is, that you, know any JUDGE i,
think is going to, say regardless of how good a
case THE dj, Makes i'm bound by, precedent you, know
to to uphold this. Law and SO i, think you,
know The i'm glad to see that that THE dj
(28:42):
is stepping in AND i hope that it's not just
on that particular. Bill i'd love to see them go
after the storage, requirements the kerry, restrictions and some of
the other you, know infringements that are. Coming but we're
also going to, SEE i, think a strategy of Second
ammic group suing in both federal court and in state.
Court virginia does have a section of a state constitution
(29:05):
protecting the right to keep in bear. Arms we have
seen several gun control, laws including universal background, checks overturned
because of the language and The virginia state. Constitutions, okay so,
yeah SO i think you're going to see sort of
a two track strategy, where you, know some cases they're
going to be followed in federal. Court some of this
is going to be located in circuit.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Court of, course you're covering all of that over at
baring arms Dot. Com, look you've been doing this a long.
Time you've watched this left and. Right are you seeing
What i'm, seeing which is when they can't get things
done for gun control on the federal, level they're really
ramping up their efforts in the.
Speaker 13 (29:45):
States oh, Absolutely, yeah and not just even at the.
STATES i, mean you, know they're trying to undo fire
and preimption laws around the. Country so they they're willing
to go down to the local. Level, right if they
can't pass the gun control law in a red, state
well then get re at of farms preemision they can
get thrown. Out then you can have you, know all
the gun control in the world in these blue cities
(30:07):
located in the red. States so, yes this is this
is a, strategy, right and they know that they can't
get anything Through congress right. Now they don't have a
Friendly White house like they did during The biden, administration
and so they are redoubling their. Efforts and when they
get that toe hold like they did In virginia where
all of a, Sudden democrats had complete control the state. Government,
yeah they're not running one or two, bills, Right they're
(30:30):
going as hard as they. Can, colorado, absolutely you, Know
colorado had multiple bills this. Year the only reason Why
california hasn't seen more gun control of the, session well
it's two. Reasons, one they already got so much on the.
Books but then, two the budget deficit is just playing
havoc with the letter deflated priorities For, democrats they're kind
(30:52):
of constrained in that. Regard but, YEAH i mean when
you look at Other blue, states you, Know, Illinois New,
york there are Ben Rhode. Island they've passed a ban
on the sale and manufacturer of so called the sulbans last,
year and now they've got a bill that would ban the,
possession so everybody who legally owns one today could not
legally own one if this you, know bill takes, effect.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Which is a chance for us to remind people anytime
they said well you'll be grandfathered, in they're. Lying they
have no intention whatsoever of letting you keep, it because
they'll come back and, say, well you, know, clearly if
it's too dangerous for you to, buy it's too dangerous
for you to, have so you can't keep. IT i
mean they will tell you it's grandfather to get people
to relax a little, bit and then they'll come right
(31:37):
back after it's pass to, say, well now we got
to go pick them all. Up you, know got a band.
Possession that's, right that's.
Speaker 13 (31:44):
Right AND i mean, AGAIN i guess you know from
the gun control have active a standpoint that makes. Sense,
right as you, said if it's too dangerous for you
to buy, well it's too dangerous for you to. Own
so doesn't matter if we're talking, about you, know the
most popular rifles in the world or the some of
the most popular rifles and pistols in The United. States
you know they. Are this is not about just eradicating
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these sales and stopping the sales of these. Firemers this
is about getting rid of the guns that are currently
the hands of lavul gun. Owners that has been their
mission for decades and it continues to be their mission.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Today All, right you just sat through watching this whole thing,
there from the election to what's going on in the
legislature there In. Virginia so what is your? Take what
is your advice to people around the country who are
thinking that that can come, here and by the, way
they would be, right because it is planned to go.
Everywhere what can individuals do our gun owner groups?
Speaker 13 (32:38):
Do you, know it's a great, question and you know
sometimes the answer is not, much, RIGHT i, mean at
least to stop legislation from. Passing we kind of saw
that In. Virginia so the first thing you got to
do is to build that. Firewall don't let them have
an anti gun. Majority and that means that you go
in your, vote you support candidates that are going to
(33:00):
support The Second. Amendment you do what you can beyond,
voting whether it's cut and, check whether it's volunteering for
a campaign somebody that you believe. In but you are
involved in the political, process, right that's the first. Step
and then, again get. Organized we are lucky to have
(33:20):
tireless advocates around the country who have put together really
some first rate organizations of the state. Level and you,
know if you're not a member of a, group like In,
virginia we've got The Virginia Citizens Defense, League you've got
The Virginia Shooting Sports. Association if you're not a member
of the state level group in the state where you,
live then you need to get involved because they need.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
YOUR i was going to say a little bit more
for sweet something on the order of shame on you
or what the hell are you? Thinking but, yeah you
know the thing, is here's the. DEAL i explain to,
people if you're not if you don't belong to these,
groups it means you're sitting in the. WAGON i, mean
we're trying to pull the. Wagon need to get out
here and help us pull this wagon because your dead
(34:04):
weight it's worse than. WORKING i, MEAN i know you
think you're not, hurting but you. Are if you're not,
helping you're. Hurting it's as simple as.
Speaker 13 (34:13):
That, yeah, no, Absolutely and you know so, again PREVENTION
i think is the best way to respond to this.
Threat and then if you live in a state where
unfortunately the electoral forces are against you and these bad
bills become terrible, laws all the more reason again to
(34:34):
support your local, organizations to support the national organizations your,
choice because that's when the fight goes to the court,
room and you know those cases, absolutely those cases cost.
Money and you know when we, again we're REALLY i
think lucky right now to Have Armie dillon in charge
of The Civil Rights division of THE, doj because it
(34:56):
is it is a huge help when THE dj comes
in until the, court, hey we think you at least
need to consider this. Case you know that that that
that that carries weight with judges and so that's a huge.
Help but, again you, know it can cost you, know
a million dollars or more to litigate a case up
(35:17):
to The Supreme. Court and the gun control, activists, unfortunately
they have deeper pockets than we.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Do, well they've sveral.
Speaker 13 (35:25):
Millionaires, Right i'm Still i'm still. Waiting i'm still waiting
for that first secondment billionaire to to go all in
and defend the right their. Arms we don't. Have we
don't have Our bloomberg, right we don't have All allen
on our. Side but what we do have are tens
of millions of gun owners WHO I i you, know
not enough of them are secondment advocates and, activists but
(35:47):
they all have the potential to be.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Right, YEAH i, mean and it's not People WELL i
don't have much. Money you don't have to have a
lot of. Money twenty five, bucks fifty, bucks hundred, bucks
what you got to throw it down, there but just
joined belong to be a part of. It can't look
BEFORE i tell people where they could catch up with
what you're.
Speaker 13 (36:02):
Doing, okay, yeah sure, absolutely barytarms dot com is the
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know interview a guest talking kind of doving deeply into a,
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So tom, again, MAN i always appreciate the. Invite loves
spending time with, you and and thanks very much for
letting me spend some less sunday with.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
You do you bet you? Do good, work my.
Speaker 13 (36:38):
Friend, NO i appreciate, that so, you, sir all, right
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Speaker 2 (36:42):
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hey do you have Do we've got time to Get
mike in? Here we. Do let's do. This Grab mike In, Winchester.
Tennessee Hey, mike thank you for your. PATIENCE i appreciate
you hanging in. There what you got?
Speaker 5 (36:56):
There hey, com thanks for squeezing me in. Buddy, hey
you KNOW i told YOU i got That kimber nineteen
ELEVEN Ds. WARRIOR i finally got it to the, range
put about two hundred and fifty rounds through. It i'm
super impressed with that, pistol super. Impressed the lock up
is super. TIGHT i carried a gold Combat kimber on
duty for ten, years and that was back when their
(37:17):
custom shop was putting out really good guns and it's
on par with. That it's not as you, know good
as My wilson COMBATS. Qub but, Man.
Speaker 11 (37:27):
I'm telling you the trigger is.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Awesome, great go.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Ahead it's half the price of the of The wilson combat.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
You, Know I'M i, Mean i've read stuff. Online you,
know you've got to take everything with a grain of.
Salt BUT i am super impressed for one thousand. Dollars
that gun's. Fantastic but it dies for a red dot
an Optic and so what your folks might want to
know is taking the optics played out can be a
pain in the you know. What AND i found out
(37:57):
from a C Nh precision that makes the optics plates for.
That When kimber did the early version of the, gun
they didn't cover the screw mounts for the optic, plate
and they put the coding in. There and when they
ran there and they're like putting the Red luck site in.
Speaker 11 (38:15):
There.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
Off, yeah people are breaking off the screws to Where kimber,
says ship us back the. Slide we'll get the screws
out and we'll run to chase the threads and send
it back so that they fix.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
That from What i've, heard, right, well that's good that
they're taking care of. It BUT i mean it's a
lot of pistol for the. Money and, YEAH i think,
YEAH i Think kember was really good early. On they
had some bad years where they weren't producing the, quality
BUT i think they're very much. Back it turned out
some really good quality stuff that's a great range of for.
IT i appreciate, that. Sir and, uh, YEAH i said
(38:52):
half the, price it's the third of the. Price are
core the price on some of Those. WILSON'S i, mean
The wilsons are really, good but it's that ordeal doing
as he returns, that you, know but another one hundred
percent of? Cost do you really get one hundred percent?
More kind of most, things but often it's worth, it all, right,
(39:15):
said you got a problem with your, gun it's not
shooting the way you want. TO i can take care
of that one for. You rich just called in with
exactly that out Of, Westminster. Colorado, Hey, rich what's going?
On we got a? Gun you got?
Speaker 12 (39:25):
Here So i've got a five Inch Springfield, prodigy still
have iron sights on, it AND i was shooting it
at an indoor range the other day on the rest
at five yards it was pretty much right on the.
Money but AS i worked out, seven, ten, fifteen twenty,
(39:47):
yards by the TIME i got to twenty, yards it
was like four inches high and about an inch and
a half. Left AND i don't know what's going on with.
It so if you got any it's ideas that'd, be
but appreciate.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
It.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Okay how much left is it, at, say twenty yards.
Speaker 12 (40:10):
Twenty? Yards about an inch and a half.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Left, Okay so there's not a lot at this, point
a little, bit and you're pretty you feel good about the,
rest and you're you're not yanking the trigger or doing anything.
Speaker 12 (40:24):
Right.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Okay so let's say we're. Shooting do you say it
is going high and left as we get further? Out
here's the. Question first question is you can't have it
shooting to point of aim at all, places because that's the.
Impossibility so where do you want it to be? Shooting
what range do you want it to be? Hitting exactly
(40:47):
where you, Go?
Speaker 12 (40:49):
Raymond about ten? Yards, yeah somewhere between seven and ten.
Yards if it was dead on right seven to ten,
yards That i'd be happy.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
About we're almost there because if it's on it FIVE
i can't. Remember does that have adjustable sites or is
that just a drift rear?
Speaker 12 (41:06):
Sight so the the way the rear site, works it's
actually part of the optic. Platform so you take two
screws out and hold rear site comes off with that
plate so that you can put a red dot on
it because most people run On.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
So there's well are you are you going to eventually
go to a red? Dot?
Speaker 13 (41:33):
YEAH i don't.
Speaker 12 (41:35):
KNOW i mean it's it's a range. Toy so it's
not Like i'm carrying it for any for duty or
come competing with. It it's just SOMETHING i enjoyed, shooting
But i'd like it to shoot a little bit better
than what it's.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Doing all, Right so when you need what happens is
you need to move the rear site to the right
ever so, slightly and the rear site needs to go
down ever so slightly because you always want to move
the rear sight in the direction you want the bullets
to go on the, Target so you want the rear
sight to go down into the. Right and if, that
if you don't have those adjustments in, It i'm going
(42:12):
to tell you the quick and easy way to, go
and it's going to be easy for you it's just
put a red dot on. It now you can adjust,
it do whatever you want to do with, it.
Speaker 13 (42:22):
All, RIGHT.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
I, mean does that make? SENSE i mean that way
you get you can adjust it and get it right
where you want and fine tune. IT i think because
it's arranged, hole you're going to end up putting a
dot on it.
Speaker 12 (42:33):
Anyway this is probably, YEAH.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
I thought. SO i think that's going to solve your.
PROBLEM i, mean you're pretty close as it is that
if you want it to be like where it needs
to be at seven to, ten if you're on at,
five you're just practically there. Anyway but, YEAH i would
say put a dot on, it and then you can
play with that whole. Deal you can crank it out
to twenty five and side it in and then it's
kind of fun if you get it on the money
at twenty five and then bring the target back up
(43:00):
to five and see how much it. Moves it probably
will be as much as you. Think so there you.
Go not we'll take care of. That, okay now's a good.
Time give me a. Call you can be part of
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
So much to cover, so many guns to talk about.
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(00:40):
better now, It's okay. At the Inner Ratio a couple
of weeks ago, I grab some good interviews and one
of them with har Meat Dylon. She's the Assistant US
Attorney General at the Department of Justice, and she is
I don't know, somewhere between a crocheting bulldog because you
post pictures of all the crocheting he does there and knitting.
(01:01):
But she is tough as nails. It was a fun interview.
Here you go. Hey, we the NRA annual meetings in Houston,
and unbelievably we have well It's easy to say rock star,
but you are Harmy. Dillon is the Assistant Attorney General
in charge of Civil Rights Division, and within that you
have the Second Amendment Section. Now we talked at Shot Show.
(01:22):
Things have been happening since Shot Show. The big thing
everybody wants to know about is what's going on in Virginia.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah. Well, you know, Virginia used to be a place.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
I mean, of course it changes hands with the governor
every four years, but it used to be a place
where hunting was respected. You know, I have colleagues in
my office who have a you know, AR fifteen's and
their homes and and you know, you know, enjoy hunting
and enjoy self defense. And suddenly we have this new
(01:52):
governor who is in the mode of a California or
a New York style crackdown on fire arms, and so
she has encouraged legislature to send her this package of
radical bills that really strip not just gun owners of
their freedoms, but also take square at gun manufacturers, require
(02:16):
gun owners to render their firearms inoperable, you know, imposed
liability that is at odds with federal law regarding manufacture,
and even a law that impacts so called ghost guns
and gun manufacture of parts. And so this package of
bills is very radical, and you know when I learned
about it, I sent after the legislature passed their package,
(02:40):
I sent a letter to the governor on just like
last week of less than two weeks ago, warning her
that if she signed some of these bills, we would
file suit. And so she has signed two of these
bills that I think are concerning. She sent the so
called assault weapons ban back to the legislature with some
(03:00):
technical admits, right, make it worse it worse.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Makes it worse.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Since she hasn't gotten that back yet, and even if
it gets past the other sneaky thing about the legislature
and the governor's scheme is that they have a referendum
going on right now regarding redistricting. So they've literally set
the effective date out of these bad bills to be
just beyond.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
That because they don't want to be judged on the
gun ban. They don't want people to say, oh, you
did of a gun band, so we're going to vote against
you on that. Right. I want to set this up
make sure that people understand because I was there thirty
years ago when the gun control group I call them the
gun band Lobby, instituted a number of lawsuits against manufacturers,
and they were very clear at the time. They said
(03:43):
was our plan is to put them out of business.
We want to bankrupt entire industry. And that's how we
got the Protection Lawful Commerce and Arms Act, a federal law,
which goes to you're saying, what they're trying to do
at the state level actually is in conflict with federal
law now well.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
On the liability protections for gun manufacturers. So you know,
what this does is basically eviscerate.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
That federal law.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
And I think that's a real problem because federal law
is obviously supreme in our system of government visa the
state law, and so I think that's a very easy
knockout for that particular law. But I mean, imagine if
you have the right to bear arms, but they're criminalizing
magazines that are widely in use. California has effectively rendered
(04:29):
blocks a firearm. I have two blocks. I bought them
in California. Now I can't go back to California with them,
you know. So, I mean, these are real problems for
gun owners. And the Supreme Court has recognized that the
right to any particular right. Is it nugatory if you
can't buy it, or acquire it or enjoy it. I mean,
what if you have a right to, you know, drink alcohol,
(04:52):
but no one's allowed to manufacture it in the United States.
That's kind of an empty right. So I think it's
kind of a similar situation.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
All right. So as they try to ban semi automatic firearms,
they'd like to call it your ars. But basically I'll
send me automatic firearms. And the Supreme Court and Heller
said you can't ban guns that are in common use
for lawful purposes.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Right.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Is this where doj steps in and says, wait a minute,
you can't do that.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
We've already done that. Actually we aren't waiting on this issue.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Now.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
The Court hasn't squarely ruled as a whole Supreme Court
on semi automatic rifles, but Justice Thomas has separately opined
in cases, and you know, including recent cases, that the
AR fifteen is the most widely used in popular rifle
in the United States, and by definition and the extension
of the holdings in Heller and Bruin, you.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Know, it's presumptively legal.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
And that's exactly what I argued in the Seventh Circuit,
Seventh Circuit, there was the Illinois Assault Weapons Ban, so
called assault Weapons Band, similar to the law that Virginia
is about to pass, and it outlaws, you know, over
a thousand in different types of firearms and firearm parts, silencers,
et cetera. And you know, we argued in that case
(06:07):
more than six months ago. I personally argue Seventh Circuit.
I argued in the Seventh Circuit. I think we have
a very good argument. The judges didn't love it, but
you know, the judges understand that that's where the court
is going. The court is going. I think if that
case we're in front of the Supreme Court, a majority
of the court would have ruled that consistent with those
prior precedents, the AR fifteen meets that test or similar firearms, right,
(06:31):
So I think that's where the Court's going. And so
we just have to frankly pray that this court gets
that case and that these justices get the opportunity to
current make with its current makeup, or better to imagine it.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
All right, let me switch to something that's a little
bit more fied. Okay, you're posting pictures of you out
there shooting. Yeah, you're having a good time shooting.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
I am having a good time shooting.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
I'm a firearms owner and I brought my firearms with
me from California, and I I have a CCW permit
for all of my you know, pistols in DC can't
carry them very far, but you know I can't carry them,
and you know, I just like to keep in good practice.
We can always improve. So I had an NRA female
(07:15):
firearms instructor meet me at the range out in Fairfax, Virginia,
which is a significant distance. So like my assistant and
I had to take them half a day off and
go drive out there and tried out. I tried out
to twenty two. I don't have a twenty two. I
have all nine millimeter firearms, but I took a couple
of mine and I tried a couple of hers, and
you know, we had a good time, and I was
(07:36):
just trying to get a sense of you know, what
range I'm accurate at. Obviously for self defense in the home,
it's a short range, but you know, for other purposes
you want to be good. So anyway, I got a
little bit of a flack from your online community on
the quality of my shooting and my aim and my
stance and so forth.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
That's why we trained, That's why we train.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
And I think, you know, I do think it's important
that the community encourage women in self defense. And you know,
women often field more comfortable training with other women, women instructors.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
We need more women instructors. Yes, I have a good friend.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Who's a female instructor in California. And you know, we
have to enjoy these rights proudly. And so I encourage
all women who are watching this to not be deterred
by the male critics out there, and you know, go
out there and get it done. And you know, I
mean I got a lot of feedback.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Okay, and you can't say but I could say it,
and all you guys knock it off. You know, when
a new person is learning to shoot, we all started somewhere,
We all were not terribly good. But to somewhahow mock
or hold up to ridicule somebody who's trying to learn
doesn't make you look better. It just makes you look less.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
That Yeah, I mean, look, I'm pretty, I'm not very
thin skinned, and you know, I let's just say it
had been a few years in California it's become increasingly
difficult to get to a range. So my husband and
I had the firearms at home, but to get to
a range you have to like drive three counties over
and so you get out.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Of practice a little bit.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
So I've had the opportunity now since that went viral.
If my local US marshalls people were like, hey, there's
an FBI firearms range right across the street, this Dylan.
So they've taken me over to the FBI range and
so I've had the opportunity to train and get feedback
from some of our FBI experts. And you know, the
(09:31):
thing I'm debating now is to whether to put those
red dot sites on my leapons or.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
That's a whole that's how we start bar fight.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
I was actually more accurate with the manual site and
not the electronic one.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
So I'm kind of debating.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
That's a transition and when you start it's a little
bit more different. Let me ask you here before we
have to get out of here, what are you doing
at the NRA show? What are you doing here?
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Well?
Speaker 4 (09:55):
I actually am speaking in a little while at the
legal seminar that's happening on just you know, second Amendment
legal issues at the Department of Justice and what we're
doing and how we're ramping up.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Everybody has an opinion. But I was there in the
morning and my colleagues at ATF also spoke.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
On a panel, and we're very committed at the Department
of Justice to standing up for Second Amendment rights.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
And so I'm here.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
The Acting Attorney General is here, Todd Blanchees here as well,
and a couple of his staff.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
I just saw them walk by.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
And you know, we were at SHATCHO, several of us
and one of my colleagues, my former law partners, is
a Deputy White House Counsel, Garylkowski.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
He's here.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
He and David Warrington, the White House Counsel, and I
all represented National Association or Gun Rights. So we are
longtime advocates for the Second Amendment community, and we're pretty
passionate about it.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
So I have said several times, and I've done this
for a long, long long time. I mean, my dad
interviewed President Reagan in the Oval Office about guns. So
that's how far back this goes. This is the most
pro Second Amendment administration we have had period as far
back becaus you can look back at hoh Shtree.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I think that's right, and you know, the President's sons
are hunters, and there's just a lot of love for
the community. The President passed an executive order very early
on in his administration regarding the Second Amendment, and that's
why we have a Second Amendment section in the DOJ.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
We and people are very impatient in the community. They're like,
why now do this? Now do that?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Now?
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Do that? Nook.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
We We're hiring up. We've hired some lawyers from the
Second Amendment community. Barry Errington from National Association of Gun
Rights just joined my department earlier this month, and so
we're drafting these lawsuits and filing them as fast as
we can. Even before we had the Second Amendment section,
I sued Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department for taking three
years to issue permit permit that should be shall issue quickly.
(11:48):
We filed an amicus brief in the Wolford case in
the Supreme Court, where Hawaii has, you know, made it
virtually impossible to carry under its flipping of the presumption,
and I'm very confident of a good outcome there. I
believe the court was very skeptical of Hawaii's position, and
you know, other places we look for opportunities like the
(12:09):
Illinois case I mentioned, and like others. And so we
have some bad circuits, like Virginia is doing what it's
doing because the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals has some
very bad precedents. But you know, Fourth Circuit can't ignore
it Supreme Court eventually, so we have to.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Bring these cases. Sometimes you lose them. Then we get
them up to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
And it is a long fight.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
It's a fight requiring a multi year and institutional commitment,
and that's what we have. We have three years left
to go.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
But I want it all and I want it right now.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
I know, I know, and you know nothing is permanent.
People also need the owners need to understand we have
a good Supreme Court right now because we have a
great president administration and if people sleep on those rights,
they will be taken from us, no questions ask.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Bard that end. The way you make them somewhat more
permanent is to win the elections and get things done legislatively.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
That's right, that's right too. We get a lot of flack,
why are you doing this? Why are you doing that?
Like we can do certain things at the Department of
Justice to attack bad state laws. We can't change federal
law through our activity. That's for Congress to do in
the president.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
So there you go. All right, Harmie Dillon, the Assistan
Attorney General in charge of civil Rights at the Apartment
of Justice, go and do some more good stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
I'm going to do that, all right, ranks a lot.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Thank you, take care, don't go far. We'll be right
back with more gun talk.
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Speaker 2 (16:12):
All right, I've got a flat for you right now.
If you want to give me a call, do that.
The number here is Tom Talk Gun. Pretty easy, Tom
Talk Gun. Really don't matter what you want to talk
about it. If there's a handgun, pistol, rifle, Ammo question, how
long does AMMO last? Do your magazines? Springs take a set?
I mean, we'll go anywhere you want to. I don't care,
(16:33):
because I like to talk about this stuff. It is
all fun for me, So give me a call eight
six' Six talk gun Or Tom Talk. Gun one of
the things THAT i mentioned through the years is we
often forget to acknowledge openly just how much fun shooting.
Is it's just. FUN i don't care if you're wing
shooting or shooting twenty twos or pistols or. Rifles, whatever
(16:55):
it's that's. Fun we should embrace that in several different.
Ways a. Suggestion we're headed into the time when we
got better weather size and warm sometimes two, warm but that's.
Okay you could accommodate. That just, say, hey this is.
FUN i like doing. This i'm going to do it more.
(17:16):
Often go out to the range more. Often find some
people to go. With if there's a some kind of
a shooting league at your local, range you might want
to get. Involved you, go, Well i'm not that. Good
you don't have to be that good to go shoot
in the. League they have people of all different, abilities, shotguns, rifles,
handguns didn't. Matter if you, think, Well i'd like to
(17:36):
shoot that fast, stuff But i'm not very good at,
that that's. Okay find where they're doing a steel. Challenge
it is the easiest thing in the. World you got
five steel targets and you can shoot a, pistol you
can shoot a twenty two, rifle you can shoot, drawing
you can shoot from low ready if you don't want to,
draw a lot of different ways you can go and
(17:57):
there will be people who are incredibly. Fast don't worry about.
It you don't have to be. Fast you can just
you're there to have. Fun at least that's the WAY
i approach. It the other Thing i'm with thinking that
you might want to try because there's a lot of
interest in long range, shooting and there's a lot involved.
There there's a lot to, learn and the learning part is,
fun and you just. Go you, KNOW i don't know
(18:20):
THAT i can hit something at five hundred or seven hundred.
Yards yeah you can with the right, gear and it
may not even be much more than what you already.
Have with the right gear and a little bit of,
instruction you can learn how to read the, wind you
can learn how to shoot better off a. Bench and
it is so. Much and let me tell, you the
(18:41):
first time you bang a steel target at a thousand,
yards it is something. ELSE i, mean you will projectally
break your face in half with your. Smile it is
something to. Behold it's like you pull the, trigger goes,
bang and then you have to. Wait you can see
the impact on the, steel and then you wait again
(19:03):
for the sound to come all the way back to.
YOU i just tell, YOU i love doing that. STUFF
i don't do it. ENOUGH i don't have a good
place to do it that's close, By but ANYTIME i
get a chance to do. IT i, do AND i
would just, say you, know you might want to look at.
That it is a fun thing to. DO i tell you.
What let's run on the phone line one breadth with
(19:23):
us out Of. Oklahoma, Hey, brett you made on the gun.
Talk what's on your? Mind?
Speaker 11 (19:28):
HEY i got a great New celtich five to seven
and a unique. HOLSTER i got a bible. Holster it
zips up and locks and it looks like it's this
Holy bible on the front of. It, no and it
has a, perfect you, know.
Speaker 12 (19:48):
A little lock on.
Speaker 11 (19:49):
It and When i'm not in my, HAND i can lock.
It WHEN i have, it my hand is. Unlocked and
it looks.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Like you're carrying A. Bible that's for.
Speaker 11 (20:00):
Sure got a kick out of. It he Ends ip
just looked in it and went.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Whoa let me guess he wanted one like.
Speaker 11 (20:08):
It and the caw take five to seven at The
senate just, immaculate you, Know, okay tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
PISTOL i don't want to hear what it's like to
shoot that.
Speaker 11 (20:21):
PISTOL i haven't got to shoot it. Yet WHAT i
haven't got to shoot it? YET i Got i'm restricted
to a wheelchair AND i just they're building a new
range a wildlife area here that's wheelchair, Accessible thank. Goodness
(20:41):
the old.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
One was got uh, huh well you got something to
look forward to. There you're gonna enjoy shooting that. NOW
i will say you probably already know. This it's. Loud
five seven pistols are.
Speaker 11 (20:53):
Loud Oh i've got six of, them SO i.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
My, god you know all about?
Speaker 11 (21:01):
It, Then, ruger you know the compact pulls up you,
Know oh.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Okay, yeah the little uh little, carbing, yeah the carb yeah, yeah,
yeah THE pdw kind of rig, yeah is.
Speaker 11 (21:15):
THAT i got it in it forty five and they
came out with ten millimeters right AFTER i got the forty,
five AND i should have probably but a well ten
millimeter yet Because i'm waiting for the eleven eleven millimeters
to come out eve a meal.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Meter, YEAH i will wait for. That we want to
go to. Eleven, Hey, BRETT i appreciate you were the
captain Of might as. Well it's LIKE i, said, well
do you have? That? Yeah do you have?
Speaker 5 (21:39):
That?
Speaker 2 (21:39):
YEAH i got that. Too it's just like they bring
you out a new, one might as. Well we'll get
that one. Too wait to Go BRETT a great. CALL
i appreciate. That, yeah we're looking for your range of.
Ports where have you been? Shooting what do you think about?
Buying when we come, back we're going to be talking
about this. MESS i want to talk really real world,
politics state, politics because we talk about national and sometimes
there's not a lot you could do on the national,
level but you can do a lot on the state.
(22:00):
Level but you need a state. Group but you also
be people who will show. Up what DO i? Say
you got to show, up speak, up and stand. Up
and if you don't do, that guess what the other side.
Wins and when they, win they get to do what they.
Want and boyl they ever doing it to us out In.
Virginia all, right that puts you, Here Tom, grass if
(22:27):
you can call me at eight sixty Six Talk gun
Or Tom Talk, gun that'll get you. Here over ON
X i am At Gun Talk And i'm posting stuff
all the time over, there mostly just picking up stories
and sharing them so that you could be better informed
throughout the. Week another guy who does that where he
posts a lot of, stuff but he's got a website
where he basically keeps people informed over at bearing arms dot.
(22:48):
Com Is Cam. Edwards he joined us right. Now, cam
how are, you my?
Speaker 11 (22:51):
Friend i'm, Good?
Speaker 13 (22:53):
Tom how are, you?
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Sir? WELL i am. Good i'm better off than you
are because you're In virginia and you're having to put
up with that mess that's going on for somebody who's
not paying. Attention does you already know haven't been living?
There how do you explain what's happened In?
Speaker 13 (23:06):
Virginia probably the best way to explain it is That
democrats are trying to turn us Into california Or New.
York in the span of you, know one legislative. Session
so we had thirteen different gun control bills that were
passed by the legislature this.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Year.
Speaker 13 (23:27):
And you, KNOW i suspect that all of them in
some shape or form going to become law as Of
july the. First and so this is everything from a
ban on In. Virginia they call them assault firearms and
large capacity, magazines where they've arbitrarily defined as anything over fifteen.
Rounds you've Got reciprocity is in danger now because The Attorney,
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general it was extremely anti, gun is basically going to
be able to determine what statee spermits will. Recognize right
Now virginia's universal. Reciprocity we've got storage mandate's going to
effect gun, bands f eighteen to twenty year olds who
can no longer purchase handguns in private. Sales you've got
(24:10):
new carry. BANDS i, mean it's really you, know from
from top to, bottom they have just completely tried to
rewrite our gun.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Laws it sounds like the complete shopping list of the
gun band.
Speaker 13 (24:22):
Lobby the amazing thing is that they didn't pass everything
that was. INTRODUCED i guess they're saving some stuff for next.
Year but you, know they also had things like an
eleven PERCENT xis ax on farms, ammunition a five hundred
dollars tax on the purchase of, suppressors a permit to,
purchase a requirement for, handguns perhaps even all. Firearms so
(24:45):
you know there's more to, come, unfortunately but this really
is bad. ENOUGH i, mean this is a sea. Change
we've gone from a state with you, know pretty decent gun,
laws not constitutional, carry but you get open carry without a.
Permit there were no gun, bands no magazine there or capacity.
Restrictions for a, while we had one gun a, month
but then that went away and then went. Back but
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the conscuco carro holders were, exempt and then you, know
LIKE i, said they're they're essentially trying to turn us
Into New. Jersey the one thing That i'm really surprised
we didn't see more of are are the establishment of
gun free. Zones there is one bill that essentially bans
the open carry or the carrying of quote unquote are
sold firearms on streets and sidewalks in the public. Parks
(25:29):
BUT i really expected that we would see legislation you
know that looks very similar To, maryland looks very similar
To New jersey in terms of restricting where concealed carry
holders can exercise the right to bear arms In.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Virginia but they'll come back and do. That i'll.
Speaker 13 (25:45):
Try, yeah that may be coming next, year, Right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
So explain how this all came about with the election
of your new.
Speaker 13 (25:53):
Governor, Yeah So virginia has off your, elections which means
that last no. Member we had an election for all
of our statewide offices, governor lieutenant, governor attorney, general and
then the entirety of the it's called The house Of
delegates as the lower chamber in the state, legislature And
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democrats had a really good. Night they went FROM i
think a two seat majority in The house to essentially
a veto proof majority in The. HOUSE i think they
picked up fifteen. Seats Abigail, spenberger The democrat candidate for,
governor won by fifteen. Points the race that was the
one which is just. Massive it is ABSOLUTELY i, mean you,
(26:36):
know this was a state that Elected Glenn, Youngkin, republican you,
know four years. Earlier even J, jones the attorney general
for the candidate for The, democrats a guy who had
been you, know caught joking about the deaths of a colleague's,
kids basically saying, that you, know he wishes that they
(26:57):
would be killed so that maybe this lawmaker which changed
his mind about gun. Control he even. Won it was
a it was a you, know a somewhat close, RAISE
i think one, way like five. Points but, Yeah democrats
had a really good. Night and you, know for a
variety of, REASONS i happened to think that we had
a fairly weak slate of candidates win some series great
(27:19):
on our, issue but she.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Did not run a good.
Speaker 13 (27:21):
Campaign. Uh but you, know regardless of the, Reasons, Uh
democrats are taking full advantage of you, know the season
they picked up and they're they're not at.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
All, yeah all, Right so listening to the, past, Now
Harvey dillon has said that once they go into, effect
when the law is going to, effect that she plans
to come back and Sue, virginia and the, THINKING i,
Mean i'm thinking probably at that, point maybe they get,
injunction maybe they stopped enforcement of it while it's going.
THROUGH i, mean do you have any thoughts on what's
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going on?
Speaker 12 (27:56):
There?
Speaker 13 (27:57):
YEAH i, mean so, again you, know we've got thirteen different.
BILLS i don't expect THE dj is going to sue
on all of. Them but the problem with is suing
over the gun of magazine ban is That virginia is
located in The Fourth Circuit court Of, appeals which is
already upheld the state Of maryland's ban on assault. Weapons
it's already Upheld maryland's restrictions on magazines over ten. Rounds
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so the challenge there is, that you, know any JUDGE i,
think is going to, say regardless of how good a
case THE dj, Makes i'm bound by, precedent you, know
to to uphold this. Law and SO i, think you,
know The i'm glad to see that that THE dj
(28:42):
is stepping in AND i hope that it's not just
on that particular. Bill i'd love to see them go
after the storage, requirements the kerry, restrictions and some of
the other you, know infringements that are. Coming but we're
also going to, SEE i, think a strategy of Second
ammic group suing in both federal court and in state.
Court virginia does have a section of a state constitution
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protecting the right to keep in bear. Arms we have
seen several gun control, laws including universal background, checks overturned
because of the language and The virginia state. Constitutions, okay so,
yeah SO i think you're going to see sort of
a two track strategy, where you, know some cases they're
going to be followed in federal. Court some of this
is going to be located in circuit.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Court of, course you're covering all of that over at
baring arms Dot. Com, look you've been doing this a long.
Time you've watched this left and. Right are you seeing
What i'm, seeing which is when they can't get things
done for gun control on the federal, level they're really
ramping up their efforts in the.
Speaker 13 (29:45):
States oh, Absolutely, yeah and not just even at the.
STATES i, mean you, know they're trying to undo fire
and preimption laws around the. Country so they they're willing
to go down to the local. Level, right if they
can't pass the gun control law in a red, state
well then get re at of farms preemision they can
get thrown. Out then you can have you, know all
the gun control in the world in these blue cities
(30:07):
located in the red. States so, yes this is this
is a, strategy, right and they know that they can't
get anything Through congress right. Now they don't have a
Friendly White house like they did during The biden, administration
and so they are redoubling their. Efforts and when they
get that toe hold like they did In virginia where
all of a, Sudden democrats had complete control the state. Government,
yeah they're not running one or two, bills, Right they're
(30:30):
going as hard as they. Can, colorado, absolutely you, Know
colorado had multiple bills this. Year the only reason Why
california hasn't seen more gun control of the, session well
it's two. Reasons, one they already got so much on the.
Books but then, two the budget deficit is just playing
havoc with the letter deflated priorities For, democrats they're kind
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of constrained in that. Regard but, YEAH i mean when
you look at Other blue, states you, Know, Illinois New,
york there are Ben Rhode. Island they've passed a ban
on the sale and manufacturer of so called the sulbans last,
year and now they've got a bill that would ban the,
possession so everybody who legally owns one today could not
legally own one if this you, know bill takes, effect.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Which is a chance for us to remind people anytime
they said well you'll be grandfathered, in they're. Lying they
have no intention whatsoever of letting you keep, it because
they'll come back and, say, well you, know, clearly if
it's too dangerous for you to, buy it's too dangerous
for you to, have so you can't keep. IT i
mean they will tell you it's grandfather to get people
to relax a little, bit and then they'll come right
(31:37):
back after it's pass to, say, well now we got
to go pick them all. Up you, know got a band.
Possession that's, right that's.
Speaker 13 (31:44):
Right AND i mean, AGAIN i guess you know from
the gun control have active a standpoint that makes. Sense,
right as you, said if it's too dangerous for you
to buy, well it's too dangerous for you to. Own
so doesn't matter if we're talking, about you, know the
most popular rifles in the world or the some of
the most popular rifles and pistols in The United. States
you know they. Are this is not about just eradicating
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these sales and stopping the sales of these. Firemers this
is about getting rid of the guns that are currently
the hands of lavul gun. Owners that has been their
mission for decades and it continues to be their mission.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Today All, right you just sat through watching this whole thing,
there from the election to what's going on in the
legislature there In. Virginia so what is your? Take what
is your advice to people around the country who are
thinking that that can come, here and by the, way
they would be, right because it is planned to go.
Everywhere what can individuals do our gun owner groups?
Speaker 13 (32:38):
Do you, know it's a great, question and you know
sometimes the answer is not, much, RIGHT i, mean at
least to stop legislation from. Passing we kind of saw
that In. Virginia so the first thing you got to
do is to build that. Firewall don't let them have
an anti gun. Majority and that means that you go
in your, vote you support candidates that are going to
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support The Second. Amendment you do what you can beyond,
voting whether it's cut and, check whether it's volunteering for
a campaign somebody that you believe. In but you are
involved in the political, process, right that's the first. Step
and then, again get. Organized we are lucky to have
(33:20):
tireless advocates around the country who have put together really
some first rate organizations of the state. Level and you,
know if you're not a member of a, group like In,
virginia we've got The Virginia Citizens Defense, League you've got
The Virginia Shooting Sports. Association if you're not a member
of the state level group in the state where you,
live then you need to get involved because they need.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
YOUR i was going to say a little bit more
for sweet something on the order of shame on you
or what the hell are you? Thinking but, yeah you
know the thing, is here's the. DEAL i explain to,
people if you're not if you don't belong to these,
groups it means you're sitting in the. WAGON i, mean
we're trying to pull the. Wagon need to get out
here and help us pull this wagon because your dead
(34:04):
weight it's worse than. WORKING i, MEAN i know you
think you're not, hurting but you. Are if you're not,
helping you're. Hurting it's as simple as.
Speaker 13 (34:13):
That, yeah, no, Absolutely and you know so, again PREVENTION
i think is the best way to respond to this.
Threat and then if you live in a state where
unfortunately the electoral forces are against you and these bad
bills become terrible, laws all the more reason again to
(34:34):
support your local, organizations to support the national organizations your,
choice because that's when the fight goes to the court,
room and you know those cases, absolutely those cases cost.
Money and you know when we, again we're REALLY i
think lucky right now to Have Armie dillon in charge
of The Civil Rights division of THE, doj because it
(34:56):
is it is a huge help when THE dj comes
in until the, court, hey we think you at least
need to consider this. Case you know that that that
that that carries weight with judges and so that's a huge.
Help but, again you, know it can cost you, know
a million dollars or more to litigate a case up
(35:17):
to The Supreme. Court and the gun control, activists, unfortunately
they have deeper pockets than we.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Do, well they've sveral.
Speaker 13 (35:25):
Millionaires, Right i'm Still i'm still. Waiting i'm still waiting
for that first secondment billionaire to to go all in
and defend the right their. Arms we don't. Have we
don't have Our bloomberg, right we don't have All allen
on our. Side but what we do have are tens
of millions of gun owners WHO I i you, know
not enough of them are secondment advocates and, activists but
(35:47):
they all have the potential to be.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Right, YEAH i, mean and it's not People WELL i
don't have much. Money you don't have to have a
lot of. Money twenty five, bucks fifty, bucks hundred, bucks
what you got to throw it down, there but just
joined belong to be a part of. It can't look
BEFORE i tell people where they could catch up with
what you're.
Speaker 13 (36:02):
Doing, okay, yeah sure, absolutely barytarms dot com is the
best place to do. So we're writing each and every
day about the latest secondment of news and information from
across the. Nation and then in the upper right hand
corner of the screen you can click ON i think
it's got my picture and it'll take you to The
Canon company. Podcast we do That monday Through, thursday, generally you,
(36:22):
know interview a guest talking kind of doving deeply into a,
topic and then we've got armed citizens stories and more.
So tom, again, MAN i always appreciate the. Invite loves
spending time with, you and and thanks very much for
letting me spend some less sunday with.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
You do you bet you? Do good, work my.
Speaker 13 (36:38):
Friend, NO i appreciate, that so, you, sir all, right
you take.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Care Cam dwards check it. Out Barry arms Dot. Com
hey do you have Do we've got time to Get
mike in? Here we. Do let's do. This Grab mike In, Winchester.
Tennessee Hey, mike thank you for your. PATIENCE i appreciate
you hanging in. There what you got?
Speaker 5 (36:56):
There hey, com thanks for squeezing me in. Buddy, hey
you KNOW i told YOU i got That kimber nineteen
ELEVEN Ds. WARRIOR i finally got it to the, range
put about two hundred and fifty rounds through. It i'm
super impressed with that, pistol super. Impressed the lock up
is super. TIGHT i carried a gold Combat kimber on
duty for ten, years and that was back when their
(37:17):
custom shop was putting out really good guns and it's
on par with. That it's not as you, know good
as My wilson COMBATS. Qub but, Man.
Speaker 11 (37:27):
I'm telling you the trigger is.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
Awesome, great go.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Ahead it's half the price of the of The wilson combat.
Speaker 5 (37:37):
You, Know I'M i, Mean i've read stuff. Online you,
know you've got to take everything with a grain of.
Salt BUT i am super impressed for one thousand. Dollars
that gun's. Fantastic but it dies for a red dot
an Optic and so what your folks might want to
know is taking the optics played out can be a
pain in the you know. What AND i found out
(37:57):
from a C Nh precision that makes the optics plates for.
That When kimber did the early version of the, gun
they didn't cover the screw mounts for the optic, plate
and they put the coding in. There and when they
ran there and they're like putting the Red luck site in.
Speaker 11 (38:15):
There.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
Off, yeah people are breaking off the screws to Where kimber,
says ship us back the. Slide we'll get the screws
out and we'll run to chase the threads and send
it back so that they fix.
Speaker 2 (38:30):
That from What i've, heard, right, well that's good that
they're taking care of. It BUT i mean it's a
lot of pistol for the. Money and, YEAH i think,
YEAH i Think kember was really good early. On they
had some bad years where they weren't producing the, quality
BUT i think they're very much. Back it turned out
some really good quality stuff that's a great range of for.
IT i appreciate, that. Sir and, uh, YEAH i said
(38:52):
half the, price it's the third of the. Price are
core the price on some of Those. WILSON'S i, mean
The wilsons are really, good but it's that ordeal doing
as he returns, that you, know but another one hundred
percent of? Cost do you really get one hundred percent?
More kind of most, things but often it's worth, it all, right,
(39:15):
said you got a problem with your, gun it's not
shooting the way you want. TO i can take care
of that one for. You rich just called in with
exactly that out Of, Westminster. Colorado, Hey, rich what's going?
On we got a? Gun you got?
Speaker 12 (39:25):
Here So i've got a five Inch Springfield, prodigy still
have iron sights on, it AND i was shooting it
at an indoor range the other day on the rest
at five yards it was pretty much right on the.
Money but AS i worked out, seven, ten, fifteen twenty,
(39:47):
yards by the TIME i got to twenty, yards it
was like four inches high and about an inch and
a half. Left AND i don't know what's going on with.
It so if you got any it's ideas that'd, be
but appreciate.
Speaker 5 (40:03):
It.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Okay how much left is it, at, say twenty yards.
Speaker 12 (40:10):
Twenty? Yards about an inch and a half.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Left, Okay so there's not a lot at this, point
a little, bit and you're pretty you feel good about the,
rest and you're you're not yanking the trigger or doing anything.
Speaker 12 (40:24):
Right.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Okay so let's say we're. Shooting do you say it
is going high and left as we get further? Out
here's the. Question first question is you can't have it
shooting to point of aim at all, places because that's the.
Impossibility so where do you want it to be? Shooting
what range do you want it to be? Hitting exactly
(40:47):
where you, Go?
Speaker 12 (40:49):
Raymond about ten? Yards, yeah somewhere between seven and ten.
Yards if it was dead on right seven to ten,
yards That i'd be happy.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
About we're almost there because if it's on it FIVE
i can't. Remember does that have adjustable sites or is
that just a drift rear?
Speaker 12 (41:06):
Sight so the the way the rear site, works it's
actually part of the optic. Platform so you take two
screws out and hold rear site comes off with that
plate so that you can put a red dot on
it because most people run On.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
So there's well are you are you going to eventually
go to a red? Dot?
Speaker 13 (41:33):
YEAH i don't.
Speaker 12 (41:35):
KNOW i mean it's it's a range. Toy so it's
not Like i'm carrying it for any for duty or
come competing with. It it's just SOMETHING i enjoyed, shooting
But i'd like it to shoot a little bit better
than what it's.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Doing all, Right so when you need what happens is
you need to move the rear site to the right
ever so, slightly and the rear site needs to go
down ever so slightly because you always want to move
the rear sight in the direction you want the bullets
to go on the, Target so you want the rear
sight to go down into the. Right and if, that
if you don't have those adjustments in, It i'm going
(42:12):
to tell you the quick and easy way to, go
and it's going to be easy for you it's just
put a red dot on. It now you can adjust,
it do whatever you want to do with, it.
Speaker 13 (42:22):
All, RIGHT.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
I, mean does that make? SENSE i mean that way
you get you can adjust it and get it right
where you want and fine tune. IT i think because
it's arranged, hole you're going to end up putting a
dot on it.
Speaker 12 (42:33):
Anyway this is probably, YEAH.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
I thought. SO i think that's going to solve your.
PROBLEM i, mean you're pretty close as it is that
if you want it to be like where it needs
to be at seven to, ten if you're on at,
five you're just practically there. Anyway but, YEAH i would
say put a dot on, it and then you can
play with that whole. Deal you can crank it out
to twenty five and side it in and then it's
kind of fun if you get it on the money
at twenty five and then bring the target back up
(43:00):
to five and see how much it. Moves it probably
will be as much as you. Think so there you.
Go not we'll take care of. That, okay now's a good.
Time give me a. Call you can be part of
the crazy after show that we were around. Here that's
the part that doesn't make it to the radio stations
for very good, reason as you find out if you
ever listen to. It but it's available as part of
the podcast give me A call an eighty six y
(43:21):
Six Talk gun Or Tom Talk. Gun in the, meantime
join your, local your state gun rights. Groups no more.
Excuses just do it and practice your draw every. Day
dry fire every single. Day when you need that thing
in a, hurry it might just save your.
Speaker 5 (43:37):
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