In This Hour:
-- In a surprise move, Beretta buys 9 percent of Ruger's stock. What's going on? Shooting Wire creator Jim Shepherd explains.
-- Glock announces it is discontinuing most of its pistols and replacing some of them with a new series which can not be modified with the "switch," a device that illegally converts them to full auto.
-- The AI powered security system at his school said his bag of Dorito chips was a pistol, so the cops rolled in, handcuffed him, and pointed guns at him.
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-- In a surprise move, Beretta buys 9 percent of Ruger's stock. What's going on? Shooting Wire creator Jim Shepherd explains.
-- Glock announces it is discontinuing most of its pistols and replacing some of them with a new series which can not be modified with the "switch," a device that illegally converts them to full auto.
-- The AI powered security system at his school said his bag of Dorito chips was a pistol, so the cops rolled in, handcuffed him, and pointed guns at him.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Also glad to be here. I'll tell you what. Let's
just keep doing this thing. I'm Tom Gresham. This is
gun talk. We join right now by an old friend,
longtime friend, a guy that no matter what happens, I
stand beside him because and behind him, because well I don't
trust that in front of him. Let's just put it
that way. Jeff Shephard created the entire megalopolis of the
(00:39):
shooting wire, the outdoor wire, and all the other wires.
He is a longtime journalist like real journalists, and an
outdoor guy.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Hi, partner, I'm doing great. Thank you for you. This
a long time rather than old, although both are correct.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, well there you go right back, right back at you.
Are you talking about me as well? I want to
at least tell people what the wires are so they
know where you're coming from. Here.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Well, we are essentially the daily news paper for the
outdoor industry. Just we have enough little news outlets that
we can cover about anything you want, from arch to
dealer specials for dealers only. But the outdoor Wires started.
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I found this hard to believe twenty five years ago.
Oh we've been around a while. Yeah, so we are.
We're there. We're hard to find. You go to the
Internet and type in the Outdoor Wire and boo for
a while, and then you can look at all the others,
because I don't. Every time I try to list all
of them, I leave one or two out and I
(01:50):
have an angry editor calling me.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Just go to the outdoor wire dot com and you
can see what we do and what's going on. And
if you go this afternoon, found out whither a wrinkle
in her program and I'm going to fix You can
see the wire for tomorrow used to be there, but
it is.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
You could we could look into the future.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, well I'm better at looking at the past. But yeah,
we can do that, all right.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
So the people are Yeah, and your background people should know.
I mean you've done like real journalism and real you know,
media stuff. You were one of the original employees founders
of CNN.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I think number seven, if not higher, I was no
lower than number seven, but was the original executive producer
and was the original executive producer and creator of all
the financial news stuff there. And yeah, I was back
there when when we didn't know what we were doing,
(02:54):
but we know how to tell the truth.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Okay. Well, with that background and you you have covered
financial stuff for a long time. At the end of
SDW show, the story breaks and people are just all
a twitter if you will, about Bretta buying I guess
now nine percent of Ruger's stock. Why don't you start
from the beginning about what what, how that developed, How
(03:19):
you heard about it and what's going on?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Well? I heard about it through this crazy thing called
SEC required filings, and Ruger had to disclose that they
had bought a significant share seven and a half percent
I think at the time of the of the public
stock available in Ruger.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Oh yeah, Bretta, Yeah, Bretta had purchased Bretta purchased out
of Ruger.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yes, okay, yeah, And it was Bretta Holdings, not Baretta USA,
Bretta Holdings, European holding group that essentially owns everything connected
with the five hundred years of Moretta. And they had
to closed that because that's the rules. You have to
disclose it. And in that filing they said, we are
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buying this simply as an investment. We have no future plans.
We have some commonalities that we think will work between
us and Ruger, and we want to talk about them.
And that's it. We're not going to say anymore. And
they haven't.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
And yet no one is placated by that, are they not?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
For a minute, especially when it came out of the
NASUW that they were continuing to buy stock. They're up
to nine percent, and Ruger felt it necessary to take
measures to prevent what would essentially be a hostile takeover, so.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
They put in a poison Hill provision. And I guess
when if Ruger I mean right, corrects it. If Barretta
ends up getting to ten percent ownership of Ruger, then
this provision kicks in and Barretta can't buy the discount,
but everybody else can buy Ruger stock at a fifty
percent discount. How'd I do, right?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Right, That's the way it works. That's very well done.
I had been dealing with poison pills and greenmailers since
the eighties, and I was taught by two pretty good
guys at it. One of them was Erwin Jacobs, who
at one point owned FLW and a bunch of the
boat companies. He was when I met him, he was
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known as Irwin the Liquidator because he started buying up
your company. You were getting busted up. I was going
to sell off the dogs, keep the good stuff, and
then he would spend all that stuff off. The other
one was T. Boone Pickens, who was quite a character
and then pretty good at it himself. He was the
guy who the term green mail was invented for. It
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was a combination of green for money and mail for blackmail, right,
And that's when the poison pill got it's actually poison pills.
What everybody knows it by it's called the Shareholder Protection Act,
and what it says is exactly what you say. If
Ruger gets to one share over ten percent, the board
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of Ruger has the authority to say to all of
the other shareholders, we will sell you an equal amount
of shares to what you hold at a fifty percent
discount to the market price that day. What that does,
in simple terms, is it dilutes the significant holding of
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Bretta down below that ten percent threshold, but it also
significant raises the price of what they'd have to pay
to get back to ten percent.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Okay, let me ask you this. At a certain point,
does Bretta end up with a seat on the board
of Ruger for having all the stock?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Well, you know, you would think that they will be
entitled here's I'm going to give you the insider here
on this whole deal. A shareholder Protection Act is designed
to bring the parties to the table to make them talk,
and this one is absolutely designed that way because Barretta's
(07:41):
original filing said they saw areas of mutual interest and
mutual benefit that they planned to discuss with Ruger. Then
they went absolutely radio silent.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
They would not answer calls, They would not talk to
anyone from Ruger if they agreed to go to to US,
Switzerland or Italy. The holding companies in Switzerland, the Barretta
family is, of course owns Italy, the good parts of
it anyway, and they have gone silent on it. But
(08:21):
at the same time they were still buying up shares,
still want.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Well exactly so, and in trying to figure out what's going.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
On, Yeah, is Barretta trying to take over Ruger? I
have no idea, but I do know that Barretta Holdings
has done similar things in Europe and taken over companies
the same way. Because people forget that Ruger has a
(08:55):
mean Barretta has a lot of things more than Barretta.
They're not yes.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Right, oh yeah, they got a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
They got electro optics, they got high end stuff, They've
got all kinds of holding and it's sent around five
hundred years. And to play the long game, said orders.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yes, we're taking three months at a time, and Peretta
is the oldest company on the planet in continuous existence.
For people to understand that, Jim, hold on here second.
We're talking with Jim Shepherd from the Outdoor Wire, the
Shooting Wire. I want to take a quick break. We
when to come back. I want to talk about what
just happened with glocks. You can give us some insight
on that as well. Hey, everybody, don't go far. We're
(09:39):
just going to step aside for a second. Here. We'll
be back with some more of this news. This is
crazy business news, but it really may affect what happens
to the companies that we really like, both Barretta and
Ruger and Marlon, and who knows what else. We'll have
some uptake on that and some updates. When we come back.
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Speaker 2 (12:28):
All right, about quick you we're talking with Jim Shepherd
from the outdoor wire, the shooting wire, the dealer wire,
all the other wires. Just go to outdoor the outdoor
wire and you'll figure it all out. Jim. The other
story that broke when you were at any SGW is
this crazy thing with Glock, And you had the story
out of California with California banning blocks and then Glock
saying we're going to discontinue almost the entire line of
(12:50):
pistols to bring out the V line. What's going on here?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Well, it's a I think a very smart tactical response
to Oh, it has not really anything to do directly
with the California band. It has to do with we're
making time changes that will make it harder to make
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the block switch to take that thing to full augmatic. Right,
you're not a gunfight in the phone booth. I don't
know what a full automatic block gives you, but hey, whatever,
you know, it's an interesting sound light show, I guess.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
So they're going to discontinue pretty much all the double stacks,
keep the single stacks, and then bring out a new
line I called the V line. Which doesn't enable you
to use the switch, but also doesn't it give them
a chance to clean up their line.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
It absolutely does. It will enable them to simplify the
skells they've got you know ten, I don't know, yeah,
too many for basically the second gun, either up or downsized,
and it will you know, it's not going to materially
change the glock. It's still going to have a twenty
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percent of the parts of the nineteen eleven. It's still
going to be you know, robust, reliable, combat upperware, whatever
you want to call it. I mean, a glock is clock.
It's it's you know, that's like trying to discuss hands, right,
It just works supposed to do? It works?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, you pick it up, it works there it is.
I mean that's people, how do you describe a glock?
It just works. You know. It may not be the
most ergonomically designed, it may not be svelt, it may
not be you know, a great feeling in your hand,
but if you just want something that you know, to
go into a fight with, it's a pretty good choice.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Well yeah, and that's exactly it has been the reason
that's probably the most deployed handgun on the planet. In
the modern days because it's simple to work on. It's
you know, it's a hammer. It's easy. You get to
start shooting, you can learn the basics. I don't shoot
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blocks better than the ones I do shoot. Don't figure
that out. It's because I'm more interested than than how
it looks than how it shoots, because I'm primarily a
pitdle around you. Is it like, yeah, the small one.
Because if I have to give a gun away, it's
(15:31):
because I have to use it. I can get another
block pretty.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Easy, exactly. And let me do this. We're starting to
lose your your cell their partner. I appreciate your time.
Jim Shepherd from the Outdoor Wire, the Shooting Wire. Check
those out, I mean literally coming out every day. They're
free to go to your website, to your email, and
you can keep up with all these things. If you
(15:55):
just go to the Outdoor Wire, you can start there
and find the rest of them. Jim, thank you. I'm
sorry about the cel phone coverage. We just for whatever happened,
I don't know, you switched to a different tower or something.
So fascinating explanation. I knew that he would be the
guy because he has covered financial stories for many years. Yeah,
he was employee number seven, maybe six, maybe five at
(16:16):
CNN and the Lord the stories from the early days
with Ted Turner, Holy Con. He also we didn't mention this, Yeah,
I can mention it. He was partners with in worked
with g. Gordon Lyddie way back. So many interesting stories
from the old days, to be sure. So that's what's
(16:39):
going on with the Glock story, with the Ruger story,
with the bread of story. I think at this point, honestly,
we probably have more questions that we have answers at
this point. It's a little bit crazy, all right. This
story from Silence or Central sending this out said they're
(16:59):
applauding the ATF, something that doesn't happen very often, but
says the ATF is resuming the form for approvals for suppressors.
For a while there with the government shutdown, ATF stopped
approving the forms that were coming in the request for
(17:20):
approval for suppressors, and everything was just sitting there. And
now the ATF is going back to work and they
are approving suppressor sales and said before the shutdown they
were said they were getting approvals in twenty four hours.
So we'll see what happens there. But that's a heck
of a story there with of course, the other part
of it is, at the end of this year there
(17:42):
will be no more two hundred dollars tax on suppressors,
but weirdly enough, you still have to submit the form four.
You still have to get the approval of the ATF
even though there's no tax associated with it. Well, that
lends it self to what would what else would it
be a lawsuit because originally the nineteen thirty four NFA
(18:07):
National Firearms Act was a tax. It was a tax act.
And the whole basis for the tax stamp on suppressors
and machine guns and shortbear rifles and shortbail shotguns is
that it's a tax. If there's no tax, can there
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actually be a restriction? Can there be a requirement to
register these things? Because there's no law pass that says
you have to register. There's a loss says you have
to pay a tax on them, and as part of
the tax you have to register them. So, as you
might expect, there's a very large lawsuit has been filed
(18:49):
to ask the courts to say, yeah, actually there should
be no registration of suppressors. Whether or not the courts
are willing at this point and ready to deregulate machine guns.
I think probably is a big no. I think we
(19:12):
can get the restrictions, the regulations taken off of suppressors,
but I think is just from a perception standpoint, it's
going to be difficult to take the restrictions off of
foll audo guns. They should be taken off. You know,
before nineteen thirty four, when this act was passed, anybody
could buy a fall auto machine gun. And once again,
(19:38):
the only people missed using that were criminals because that's
what they do, and they don't really care what the
laws are anyway, as evidence by the glock switch, because
this is illegal. You can't do this, that's a federal
felaty Yeah right, watch me. I mean the criminals they
don't care. So what would be interesting question, kind of
(20:03):
mental exercise, what would be the logical result of getting
rid of all regulations on full auto guns if anybody
could buy just like, go into a gun store and
buy a full auto gun. Well, of course, the first
thing it would happen was the price of them would
fall crazy, because I mean you're paying twenty thousand to
(20:26):
forty thousand dollars for machine guns now and you said yeah,
and you can't, oh yeah, own a newly manufactured full
auto firearm and probably buy it for a couple of
grand Here's a question for you. Would you be interested
in buying one? Would you buy a machine gun, a
(20:48):
full lot of gun if you could buy it four
thousand to two thousand dollars basically the cost of a
high endar something like that, because it doesn't cost any
more to make them than a dozen ar. Would you
like to have one? I know I would. They're fun
to shoot. Are there practical uses of a machine gun
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that would appeal to you? Yeah? Yeah, I think so.
In terms of self defense, yeah, you give me a
full auto or select fire ar with a can on
it as a home defense gun, simply better. If it's
not better, then the police wouldn't use them. If it's
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not better for that situation, then the military wouldn't use them.
And I'm not talking about suppressive fire. I'm just talking
about being able to put three shots on target instantly,
as opposed to semiatto. The other part of it is,
of course they're just fun. If you've not shot one,
you put it to yourself to find a friend who
has one, or go to one of the places where
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you can rent them. And there are a lot of
places where you can rent machine guns and you can
shoot them because they are in fact just that much fun.
So what I got the question on the floor is
would you buy one? If you could you didn't have
to go through all that paperwork and you could afford
it much an interesting thought process. Our number here is
eight sixty six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. I've
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got to hear eight six six Talk Gun or Tom
Talk Gun. We did want to do a follow up here.
We had Jim Shepherd on a little while ago from
the Outdoor Wire. Two things I forgot to mention. One
is that the wires are free. You can subscribe to
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They have a tactical wire that's very good as well.
So anyway, you start off with the outdoor wire dot Com.
All right, one, let's grab Al out of Mountain Home, Arkansas. Hello, Al,
(23:28):
how can we help you?
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Hey? Greetings. Tom My grandsons have taken up skeet shooting,
trap shooting, and and my oldest grandson, Grant, he is
he's getting like sixteen eighteen birds out of a said, okay,
(23:53):
And I've seen inside different clubs. I've been to a
map kind of on the wall where it says if
you're on post one, you know, aim two inches or
four feet or something different.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, let me let me ask you. You mentioned two
different types of games that are very different. Uh, there's
skeet and then there's trap, and they are very much
not the same. Which one are they shooting? Oh? No,
do we lose Al?
Speaker 7 (24:31):
No, I'm here. I just don't know. I think it's trap.
It's the one where they've got two houses. I think right, all.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Right, that's skee. If it's if you've got two houses,
that ski. If you have one trap house, that's called trap.
So you got if they're shooting skee, you've got a
high house and a low house and you've got eight stations,
and you work your way around, you know, honestly, and
probably your grandsons already know this. If you just go online,
(25:04):
they can look up a diagram of skeet and where
to hold, and it really is and you're right, it's
very important to know where to hold. Basically, where's the
gun going to be pointing, and where is your eye
going to be looking, and where is your intersection point
and where do you plan to break the bird? Because
(25:28):
you need to have all those figured out ahead of time,
and then it goes very smoothly, and they can find
those online. I'm just looking. I did a little quick
search and I found them all over the place. But yeah,
so they're talking about skeat shooting. You've got a high house,
a low house, and you shoot a high house, a
low house and a double from one and two and
then six and seven, and then of course you go
(25:49):
to that middle station, the eight number eight station, which
is really fun because they come not exactly over your head,
but pretty close to over your head, and it's just
super fast. Skeat's a lot of fun, but it's very
different from trap. Trap. The targets are going away from you,
and skeet they're crossing in front of you. So yeah,
and NSSF may be a good source. There's also the oh,
(26:11):
what is the National Shoot Skeet Shooting Association. It's another place,
but I would think that, honestly, frankly, if they're on
a team and I'm clearly we have lost out on
the cell phone call, I would think if they're on
a team, the coach would have that information and they
can look that up. But there's also a website called
Todd Bender's Performance System. He's got a skeet cheat sheet,
(26:36):
Toddbender International dot com. There's a way to go there.
So there are a lot of sources for that. I
appreciate the call. You know, a lot of people don't
realize that skeet and trap are still very popular, maybe
more popular than they ever have been, and a lot
of youngsters are getting into that because there are a
number of schools, both high schools and obviously colleges where
(27:00):
you can shoot on a team. It is. And somebody
pointed this out to me, and I didn't take it
in at first. I actually had to give us some thought.
They said, you know, shooting is the safest high school sport.
What I said, yeah, nobody gets hurt. Shooting just doesn't happen.
(27:23):
It says you get hurt playing football, obviously, baseball, volleyball, basketball,
all sorts of these sports injuries. You don't have any
of that. Shooting it's amazingly safe because obviously we're working
with firearms and we have very strict safety rules, and
(27:43):
when you break one, you get asked to leave, and
nobody wants to get asked to leave, So it's interesting.
I hadn't thought of it that way. I remember going
to Sparta, Illinois after the Grand American Trap Shoot was
moved from Vandale, Ohio, and they have a mile long
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I mean trap feels one after another that goes for
a mile maybe a mile and a quarter now, and
we had a day where they had young shooters there
and they were starting at like age eight or nine,
really young kids, and all of them were amazingly polite
and careful and respectful and good gun handlers. And they
(28:31):
were serious shooters. And I mean we're talking about I
think there were like twelve hundred young shooters there that day.
It was amazing to see that process. If you have
a child or a grandchild who might be interested in
organized shooting, sure would encourage you to move them in
(28:54):
that direction. There are a lot of life lessons there, responsibility, accountability, safety, discipline, concentration,
and I just think that generally speaking, those who come
through and out of competitive shooting turn out, generally speaking
to be pretty good people. Not one hundred percent clearly,
(29:17):
but I think it's a pretty good avenue. And you
know what the other part of it is. You don't
have to be big, you don't have to be fast.
You just have to be able to focus. And if
you can do that, you can become a pretty darn
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Speaker 2 (31:45):
Hey, coming up on the show in just a little bit,
we're gonna have a range report from somebody who took
the firearms training class from every Town every Town for
Gun Safety, which of course is a gun band group,
but they've decided that they're going to become a gun
(32:06):
of course, they've always claimed they were a gun safety
group and now they're going to be a firearm training organization. Yeah,
it turned out about like you would think. But we'll
have some details on that. All right. Here's a crazy story.
Crazy story? Where was this? Baltimore, Maryland armed police handcuffed
(32:29):
and searched a student at a high school after an
AI Artificial intelligence an AI driven security system flagged the
teen's empty bag of Dorito's as a firearm. Yeah, what
(32:50):
could go wrong? Let's use AI for our security. The
police were called student named Taki Taki Takai Alan. He said,
they made me get on my knees, put my hands
behind my back and cuffed me after AI looked at
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this and said he has a gun. It was a
bag of Dorito's. So they starts being figured out I
had nothing, he said. At first, I was wondering was
I about to die? Because they had a gun pointed
at me. Eight cop cars pulled up because a security system,
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a camera linked to a computer. For some reason, the
shape of this bag of Dorito's in this kid's hand,
this thing thought it was a gun. It is entirely
possible that they could have killed this kid. When the
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cops are called and they roar in there and report
of somebody with a gun, and they come in with
their guns out, and unfortunately, because of the training, it's
just not that very good. Many times they got their
fingers on the trigger. They're excited, they're ramped up, they're
amped up, and they're often scared. Really possible, very easy
(34:27):
for somebody to twitch just a little bit and somebody
gets shot. They're gonna go back and look at this
system and says, you wonder what we did wrong. Yeah,
I can tell you what you did wrong. You count
on a machine to provide security. Ah, the stuff out there. Oh,
(34:47):
at the we were talking about some of the Awards
that the NSGW here's another award here. Ruber and Magpoll
announced that the RX and Pistol was awarded both the
best New Handgun and Best New Overall Product at the
NEEESGW POMA Awards. POMA is the Professional Outdoor Media Association.
(35:10):
It's a group that I helped start. Four of us
started POMA about twenty five five years ago. Before that,
there was the Outdoor Writers Association of America. I was
on the board of that organization a couple of different times.
My dad was the president. And then OWAA, which was
for people who wrotebout hunging fishing, decided to get woke.
(35:33):
They went anti NRA, they went green, and they went
high diversity. And when they went to a total anti
NRA bent, three hundred of us resigned and four of us,
John Phillips, Jim Zumbo, Wayne Fears and me got together
(35:54):
and said, hey, let's form a new group, and we
formed a group called POMA, Professional Outdoor Media Association. It
still exists. If you are a communicator in the outdoor world,
I would suggest that you take a look at POMA.
Maybe you ought to belong to it. It's a really
good support network for what you do. But just I
(36:16):
thought I would share that story about at a certain point.
And look, I grew up as a member of OWAA.
I was the youngest ever member, because you have to
have professional credentials and have been published a good bit.
And I was able to join OWAA at the age
of eighteen. No one had ever been able to get
in at that young age. And I was a member
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for many, many years. And it was sad to see
it go woke, to see it go crazy the way
it did. I hated it. I hated watching what happened
to it. But at the same time, I couldn't sit
there and be a part of a group that said, okay,
we are well how did they do it? It's not
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like they were castigating the innerey. They put out a
statement challenging the NRA, basically saying the NRA was wrong
with what they were saying about the Second Amendment. And
I said, you know no, I mean we're talking twenty
five years ago, way way, way, way long before LaPier
and all that. And we said, now we can't be
(37:20):
a part of this anymore. And we walked out. More
than three hundred of us did. And I think probably
the membership at that point was fifteen hundred or so,
so it was a significant number. And we said, you know,
we're going to form our own group. Well, actually we
all walked out without a plan at all, and then
the four of us got together and said, you know,
(37:40):
let's just go ahead and do this thing. And we
got together at a shot show, held a meeting. I
remember the four of us standing up in front of
this group and said, all right, this is what we
want to do. Does anybody else want to do this
with us? And we had probably a room of thirty
or forty people. Everybody said, yeah, let's do this. Well, no,
that's not what they said. They said, yeah, let's you
(38:02):
guys do this thing. That's how it works, isn't it.
It's not like we're all going to do this together.
It's oh yeah, we're all in favor of it. You
guys go ahead and do that. Oh okay, I see
what we're up to now. So we pulled it together.
I think we ended up starting off with nine people
to meet. And I'm really good at naming things, products
(38:23):
and organizations and things, and I came up with a name.
I jumped online and grabbed the url. So we would
have the website for it, and we were off and
running and we created the POMA Professional Outdoor Media Association.
So anyway, that was the group that just named the
Ruger RXm, Ruger and Magpol together. Is this collaborative effort.
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Now it's called a collab of course, because it's just
so much harder to say collaborative or collaboration. I don't know,
weird stuff, but it's it's cute to be in with
have the slang and the internal jargon. It's how we different.
It's how we keep people out of our groups. Right
to come up with jargon. Always been that way. I'll
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be right back. Well, obviously I was not here last week,
and I appreciate Ryan and the crew filling in and
doing the show, and they did it as a video
as well. If you didn't see it, you can go
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onto our YouTube channel or some of our other channels
and look for gun Talk and you'll see them basically
doing the gun Talk radio show, but as a video,
as a podcast with a lot of people involved, had
lots of good information. We appreciate that. The reason I
couldn't do the show last week, well I chose not
to is because I chose to be in Elk camp
(39:48):
Elk counting. Of course, I got my moose. I got
freight trained a few weeks ago. By the way, had
elk or freight train this morning with moose saucage and
fried egg. His yubby moose meat is delicious. So flew
out into the frank Church River of No Return wilderness area.
(40:12):
So I flew my sus Now, then we unloaded that man,
eat it all up. We got it packed up on
pack mules, and I get on a horse and I'm
ride in a pack train and we go way back
and then there's a drop camp there. So there are
actually five of us in camp. Four of us have tags.
One our buddy, Brad's just kind of support and having
(40:33):
fun with us. We had a great time. John, our
neighbor and friend. He got a nice mature bull elk
first day, and Mike and his son Tanner passed up
some four buys first day. I hunted the entire week
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without seeing or hearing an Elk bull or I don't
know if it was the hunting God's saying, yeah, you're good.
You've got a freezer full of moose meat. You don't
need anything, Okay. I had my three thirty eight out
six and we actually improved my rifle with me. I
was ready and I hiked a well, I hiked as
(41:16):
far as I could hike. I can't go as high
in as far as some of these younger guys can,
but I did what I could do. But I just
wasn't in the right place or they weren't in the
right place. Did get to seek a couple of moose,
a love sick bull chasing this cow, great big cow.
We watched that show for about an hour. It was
(41:38):
kind of like a junior high kid, you know, in
love with the you know, the seventh throat grader in
love with the ninth grader. That ain't happening. She was
having none of it. But it was fun to watch
the whole show. It's like mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom
or something out there. But we were camping out, We
got rained down a little bit, got snowed on a
little bit. It was just a great old time. And
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each of us brings a dinner or two, and each
night somebody else is responsible for making dinner. That worked
out really well. It's a great time. It's not as
much about the hunting. After you've done it a few
years ago. Yeah, you know, just getting out with the friends,
swapping stories and just the experience of camping out got
(42:25):
a little bit chilly. I've got my system. I take
one sleeping bag and I slide it in sight of
the other sleeping bag. Take two bags and that way.
If it's warmer, you go down to one bag. If
it gets really cold, you can put two of them
together and you're good to go. So that was my experience.
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Now we are looking at deer season. So the tag
I have from your deer starts on November one, won't
be able to go out there until the third because
I have to be here, of course to do the
radio show on the second. We'll do that. But now
it's like, okay, well I'm not going to take the
three thirty eightout six for that. I think I'm taking
(43:06):
my new two fifty seven Roberts actually improved out for
that shooting in the Nos. One hundred and fifteen grain
ballistic tip bullet. I'm going back and forth between that
and the two sixty Remington. But you know the great
part about deer, it doesn't really matter. You can shoot
it with pretty much anything. If you hit them. You're
going to get them, as simple as that. But for me,
(43:28):
you know me, I like my gear. There's a reason
that I've had friends that dubbed me Gadget Gresham because
I do like the gear. So there you go. Hey,
when we come back, a gun control group starts doing
firearms training. Yeah, that's about its legit. As you might clean.
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Also glad to be here. I'll tell you what. Let's
just keep doing this thing. I'm Tom Gresham. This is
gun talk. We join right now by an old friend,
longtime friend, a guy that no matter what happens, I
stand beside him because and behind him, because well I don't
trust that in front of him. Let's just put it
that way. Jeff Shephard created the entire megalopolis of the
(00:39):
shooting wire, the outdoor wire, and all the other wires.
He is a longtime journalist like real journalists, and an
outdoor guy.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Hi, partner, I'm doing great. Thank you for you. This
a long time rather than old, although both are correct.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, well there you go right back, right back at you.
Are you talking about me as well? I want to
at least tell people what the wires are so they
know where you're coming from. Here.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Well, we are essentially the daily news paper for the
outdoor industry. Just we have enough little news outlets that
we can cover about anything you want, from arch to
dealer specials for dealers only. But the outdoor Wires started.
(01:28):
I found this hard to believe twenty five years ago.
Oh we've been around a while. Yeah, so we are.
We're there. We're hard to find. You go to the
Internet and type in the Outdoor Wire and boo for
a while, and then you can look at all the others,
because I don't. Every time I try to list all
of them, I leave one or two out and I
(01:50):
have an angry editor calling me.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Of course.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Just go to the outdoor wire dot com and you
can see what we do and what's going on. And
if you go this afternoon, found out whither a wrinkle
in her program and I'm going to fix You can
see the wire for tomorrow used to be there, but
it is.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
You could we could look into the future.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yeah, well I'm better at looking at the past. But yeah,
we can do that, all right.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
So the people are Yeah, and your background people should know.
I mean you've done like real journalism and real you know,
media stuff. You were one of the original employees founders
of CNN.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I think number seven, if not higher, I was no
lower than number seven, but was the original executive producer
and was the original executive producer and creator of all
the financial news stuff there. And yeah, I was back
there when when we didn't know what we were doing,
(02:54):
but we know how to tell the truth.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
Okay. Well, with that background and you you have covered
financial stuff for a long time. At the end of
SDW show, the story breaks and people are just all
a twitter if you will, about Bretta buying I guess
now nine percent of Ruger's stock. Why don't you start
from the beginning about what what, how that developed, How
(03:19):
you heard about it and what's going on?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Well? I heard about it through this crazy thing called
SEC required filings, and Ruger had to disclose that they
had bought a significant share seven and a half percent
I think at the time of the of the public
stock available in Ruger.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Oh yeah, Bretta, Yeah, Bretta had purchased Bretta purchased out
of Ruger.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yes, okay, yeah, And it was Bretta Holdings, not Baretta USA,
Bretta Holdings, European holding group that essentially owns everything connected
with the five hundred years of Moretta. And they had
to closed that because that's the rules. You have to
disclose it. And in that filing they said, we are
(04:09):
buying this simply as an investment. We have no future plans.
We have some commonalities that we think will work between
us and Ruger, and we want to talk about them.
And that's it. We're not going to say anymore. And
they haven't.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
And yet no one is placated by that, are they not?
Speaker 3 (04:36):
For a minute, especially when it came out of the
NASUW that they were continuing to buy stock. They're up
to nine percent, and Ruger felt it necessary to take
measures to prevent what would essentially be a hostile takeover, so.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
They put in a poison Hill provision. And I guess
when if Ruger I mean right, corrects it. If Barretta
ends up getting to ten percent ownership of Ruger, then
this provision kicks in and Barretta can't buy the discount,
but everybody else can buy Ruger stock at a fifty
percent discount. How'd I do, right?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Right, That's the way it works. That's very well done.
I had been dealing with poison pills and greenmailers since
the eighties, and I was taught by two pretty good
guys at it. One of them was Erwin Jacobs, who
at one point owned FLW and a bunch of the
boat companies. He was when I met him, he was
(05:39):
known as Irwin the Liquidator because he started buying up
your company. You were getting busted up. I was going
to sell off the dogs, keep the good stuff, and
then he would spend all that stuff off. The other
one was T. Boone Pickens, who was quite a character
and then pretty good at it himself. He was the
guy who the term green mail was invented for. It
(06:05):
was a combination of green for money and mail for blackmail, right,
And that's when the poison pill got it's actually poison pills.
What everybody knows it by it's called the Shareholder Protection Act,
and what it says is exactly what you say. If
Ruger gets to one share over ten percent, the board
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of Ruger has the authority to say to all of
the other shareholders, we will sell you an equal amount
of shares to what you hold at a fifty percent
discount to the market price that day. What that does,
in simple terms, is it dilutes the significant holding of
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Bretta down below that ten percent threshold, but it also
significant raises the price of what they'd have to pay
to get back to ten percent.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Okay, let me ask you this. At a certain point,
does Bretta end up with a seat on the board
of Ruger for having all the stock?
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Well, you know, you would think that they will be
entitled here's I'm going to give you the insider here
on this whole deal. A shareholder Protection Act is designed
to bring the parties to the table to make them talk,
and this one is absolutely designed that way because Barretta's
(07:41):
original filing said they saw areas of mutual interest and
mutual benefit that they planned to discuss with Ruger. Then
they went absolutely radio silent.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yea.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
They would not answer calls, They would not talk to
anyone from Ruger if they agreed to go to to US,
Switzerland or Italy. The holding companies in Switzerland, the Barretta
family is, of course owns Italy, the good parts of
it anyway, and they have gone silent on it. But
(08:21):
at the same time they were still buying up shares,
still want.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Well exactly so, and in trying to figure out what's going.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
On, Yeah, is Barretta trying to take over Ruger? I
have no idea, but I do know that Barretta Holdings
has done similar things in Europe and taken over companies
the same way. Because people forget that Ruger has a
(08:55):
mean Barretta has a lot of things more than Barretta.
They're not yes.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Right, oh yeah, they got a lot of things.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
They got electro optics, they got high end stuff, They've
got all kinds of holding and it's sent around five
hundred years. And to play the long game, said orders.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Yes, we're taking three months at a time, and Peretta
is the oldest company on the planet in continuous existence.
For people to understand that, Jim, hold on here second.
We're talking with Jim Shepherd from the Outdoor Wire, the
Shooting Wire. I want to take a quick break. We
when to come back. I want to talk about what
just happened with glocks. You can give us some insight
on that as well. Hey, everybody, don't go far. We're
(09:39):
just going to step aside for a second. Here. We'll
be back with some more of this news. This is
crazy business news, but it really may affect what happens
to the companies that we really like, both Barretta and
Ruger and Marlon, and who knows what else. We'll have
some uptake on that and some updates. When we come back.
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Speaker 2 (12:28):
All right, about quick you we're talking with Jim Shepherd
from the outdoor wire, the shooting wire, the dealer wire,
all the other wires. Just go to outdoor the outdoor
wire and you'll figure it all out. Jim. The other
story that broke when you were at any SGW is
this crazy thing with Glock, And you had the story
out of California with California banning blocks and then Glock
saying we're going to discontinue almost the entire line of
(12:50):
pistols to bring out the V line. What's going on here?
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Well, it's a I think a very smart tactical response
to Oh, it has not really anything to do directly
with the California band. It has to do with we're
making time changes that will make it harder to make
(13:18):
the block switch to take that thing to full augmatic. Right,
you're not a gunfight in the phone booth. I don't
know what a full automatic block gives you, but hey, whatever,
you know, it's an interesting sound light show, I guess.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
So they're going to discontinue pretty much all the double stacks,
keep the single stacks, and then bring out a new
line I called the V line. Which doesn't enable you
to use the switch, but also doesn't it give them
a chance to clean up their line.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
It absolutely does. It will enable them to simplify the
skells they've got you know ten, I don't know, yeah,
too many for basically the second gun, either up or downsized,
and it will you know, it's not going to materially
change the glock. It's still going to have a twenty
(14:10):
percent of the parts of the nineteen eleven. It's still
going to be you know, robust, reliable, combat upperware, whatever
you want to call it. I mean, a glock is clock.
It's it's you know, that's like trying to discuss hands, right,
It just works supposed to do? It works?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah, you pick it up, it works there it is.
I mean that's people, how do you describe a glock?
It just works. You know. It may not be the
most ergonomically designed, it may not be svelt, it may
not be you know, a great feeling in your hand,
but if you just want something that you know, to
go into a fight with, it's a pretty good choice.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Well yeah, and that's exactly it has been the reason
that's probably the most deployed handgun on the planet. In
the modern days because it's simple to work on. It's
you know, it's a hammer. It's easy. You get to
start shooting, you can learn the basics. I don't shoot
(15:09):
blocks better than the ones I do shoot. Don't figure
that out. It's because I'm more interested than than how
it looks than how it shoots, because I'm primarily a
pitdle around you. Is it like, yeah, the small one.
Because if I have to give a gun away, it's
(15:31):
because I have to use it. I can get another
block pretty.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Easy, exactly. And let me do this. We're starting to
lose your your cell their partner. I appreciate your time.
Jim Shepherd from the Outdoor Wire, the Shooting Wire. Check
those out, I mean literally coming out every day. They're
free to go to your website, to your email, and
you can keep up with all these things. If you
(15:55):
just go to the Outdoor Wire, you can start there
and find the rest of them. Jim, thank you. I'm
sorry about the cel phone coverage. We just for whatever happened,
I don't know, you switched to a different tower or something.
So fascinating explanation. I knew that he would be the
guy because he has covered financial stories for many years. Yeah,
he was employee number seven, maybe six, maybe five at
(16:16):
CNN and the Lord the stories from the early days
with Ted Turner, Holy Con. He also we didn't mention this, Yeah,
I can mention it. He was partners with in worked
with g. Gordon Lyddie way back. So many interesting stories
from the old days, to be sure. So that's what's
(16:39):
going on with the Glock story, with the Ruger story,
with the bread of story. I think at this point, honestly,
we probably have more questions that we have answers at
this point. It's a little bit crazy, all right. This
story from Silence or Central sending this out said they're
(16:59):
applauding the ATF, something that doesn't happen very often, but
says the ATF is resuming the form for approvals for suppressors.
For a while there with the government shutdown, ATF stopped
approving the forms that were coming in the request for
(17:20):
approval for suppressors, and everything was just sitting there. And
now the ATF is going back to work and they
are approving suppressor sales and said before the shutdown they
were said they were getting approvals in twenty four hours.
So we'll see what happens there. But that's a heck
of a story there with of course, the other part
of it is, at the end of this year there
(17:42):
will be no more two hundred dollars tax on suppressors,
but weirdly enough, you still have to submit the form four.
You still have to get the approval of the ATF
even though there's no tax associated with it. Well, that
lends it self to what would what else would it
be a lawsuit because originally the nineteen thirty four NFA
(18:07):
National Firearms Act was a tax. It was a tax act.
And the whole basis for the tax stamp on suppressors
and machine guns and shortbear rifles and shortbail shotguns is
that it's a tax. If there's no tax, can there
(18:29):
actually be a restriction? Can there be a requirement to
register these things? Because there's no law pass that says
you have to register. There's a loss says you have
to pay a tax on them, and as part of
the tax you have to register them. So, as you
might expect, there's a very large lawsuit has been filed
(18:49):
to ask the courts to say, yeah, actually there should
be no registration of suppressors. Whether or not the courts
are willing at this point and ready to deregulate machine guns.
I think probably is a big no. I think we
(19:12):
can get the restrictions, the regulations taken off of suppressors,
but I think is just from a perception standpoint, it's
going to be difficult to take the restrictions off of
foll audo guns. They should be taken off. You know,
before nineteen thirty four, when this act was passed, anybody
could buy a fall auto machine gun. And once again,
(19:38):
the only people missed using that were criminals because that's
what they do, and they don't really care what the
laws are anyway, as evidence by the glock switch, because
this is illegal. You can't do this, that's a federal
felaty Yeah right, watch me. I mean the criminals they
don't care. So what would be interesting question, kind of
(20:03):
mental exercise, what would be the logical result of getting
rid of all regulations on full auto guns if anybody
could buy just like, go into a gun store and
buy a full auto gun. Well, of course, the first
thing it would happen was the price of them would
fall crazy, because I mean you're paying twenty thousand to
(20:26):
forty thousand dollars for machine guns now and you said yeah,
and you can't, oh yeah, own a newly manufactured full
auto firearm and probably buy it for a couple of
grand Here's a question for you. Would you be interested
in buying one? Would you buy a machine gun, a
(20:48):
full lot of gun if you could buy it four
thousand to two thousand dollars basically the cost of a
high endar something like that, because it doesn't cost any
more to make them than a dozen ar. Would you
like to have one? I know I would. They're fun
to shoot. Are there practical uses of a machine gun
(21:13):
that would appeal to you? Yeah? Yeah, I think so.
In terms of self defense, yeah, you give me a
full auto or select fire ar with a can on
it as a home defense gun, simply better. If it's
not better, then the police wouldn't use them. If it's
(21:34):
not better for that situation, then the military wouldn't use them.
And I'm not talking about suppressive fire. I'm just talking
about being able to put three shots on target instantly,
as opposed to semiatto. The other part of it is,
of course they're just fun. If you've not shot one,
you put it to yourself to find a friend who
has one, or go to one of the places where
(21:55):
you can rent them. And there are a lot of
places where you can rent machine guns and you can
shoot them because they are in fact just that much fun.
So what I got the question on the floor is
would you buy one? If you could you didn't have
to go through all that paperwork and you could afford
it much an interesting thought process. Our number here is
eight sixty six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. I've
(22:26):
got to hear eight six six Talk Gun or Tom
Talk Gun. We did want to do a follow up here.
We had Jim Shepherd on a little while ago from
the Outdoor Wire. Two things I forgot to mention. One
is that the wires are free. You can subscribe to
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To you and sign up for them and then they
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will send them to you for free. And it is
really a great way to keep up with what's going
on in industry, new product introductions and stories that are going on.
They have a tactical wire that's very good as well.
So anyway, you start off with the outdoor wire dot Com.
All right, one, let's grab Al out of Mountain Home, Arkansas. Hello, Al,
(23:28):
how can we help you?
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Hey? Greetings. Tom My grandsons have taken up skeet shooting,
trap shooting, and and my oldest grandson, Grant, he is
he's getting like sixteen eighteen birds out of a said, okay,
(23:53):
And I've seen inside different clubs. I've been to a
map kind of on the wall where it says if
you're on post one, you know, aim two inches or
four feet or something different.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yeah, let me let me ask you. You mentioned two
different types of games that are very different. Uh, there's
skeet and then there's trap, and they are very much
not the same. Which one are they shooting? Oh? No,
do we lose Al?
Speaker 7 (24:31):
No, I'm here. I just don't know. I think it's trap.
It's the one where they've got two houses. I think right, all.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Right, that's skee. If it's if you've got two houses,
that ski. If you have one trap house, that's called trap.
So you got if they're shooting skee, you've got a
high house and a low house and you've got eight stations,
and you work your way around, you know, honestly, and
probably your grandsons already know this. If you just go online,
(25:04):
they can look up a diagram of skeet and where
to hold, and it really is and you're right, it's
very important to know where to hold. Basically, where's the
gun going to be pointing, and where is your eye
going to be looking, and where is your intersection point
and where do you plan to break the bird? Because
(25:28):
you need to have all those figured out ahead of time,
and then it goes very smoothly, and they can find
those online. I'm just looking. I did a little quick
search and I found them all over the place. But yeah,
so they're talking about skeat shooting. You've got a high house,
a low house, and you shoot a high house, a
low house and a double from one and two and
then six and seven, and then of course you go
(25:49):
to that middle station, the eight number eight station, which
is really fun because they come not exactly over your head,
but pretty close to over your head, and it's just
super fast. Skeat's a lot of fun, but it's very
different from trap. Trap. The targets are going away from you,
and skeet they're crossing in front of you. So yeah,
and NSSF may be a good source. There's also the oh,
(26:11):
what is the National Shoot Skeet Shooting Association. It's another place,
but I would think that, honestly, frankly, if they're on
a team and I'm clearly we have lost out on
the cell phone call, I would think if they're on
a team, the coach would have that information and they
can look that up. But there's also a website called
Todd Bender's Performance System. He's got a skeet cheat sheet,
(26:36):
Toddbender International dot com. There's a way to go there.
So there are a lot of sources for that. I
appreciate the call. You know, a lot of people don't
realize that skeet and trap are still very popular, maybe
more popular than they ever have been, and a lot
of youngsters are getting into that because there are a
number of schools, both high schools and obviously colleges where
(27:00):
you can shoot on a team. It is. And somebody
pointed this out to me, and I didn't take it
in at first. I actually had to give us some thought.
They said, you know, shooting is the safest high school sport.
What I said, yeah, nobody gets hurt. Shooting just doesn't happen.
(27:23):
It says you get hurt playing football, obviously, baseball, volleyball, basketball,
all sorts of these sports injuries. You don't have any
of that. Shooting it's amazingly safe because obviously we're working
with firearms and we have very strict safety rules, and
(27:43):
when you break one, you get asked to leave, and
nobody wants to get asked to leave, So it's interesting.
I hadn't thought of it that way. I remember going
to Sparta, Illinois after the Grand American Trap Shoot was
moved from Vandale, Ohio, and they have a mile long
(28:08):
I mean trap feels one after another that goes for
a mile maybe a mile and a quarter now, and
we had a day where they had young shooters there
and they were starting at like age eight or nine,
really young kids, and all of them were amazingly polite
and careful and respectful and good gun handlers. And they
(28:31):
were serious shooters. And I mean we're talking about I
think there were like twelve hundred young shooters there that day.
It was amazing to see that process. If you have
a child or a grandchild who might be interested in
organized shooting, sure would encourage you to move them in
(28:54):
that direction. There are a lot of life lessons there, responsibility, accountability, safety, discipline, concentration,
and I just think that generally speaking, those who come
through and out of competitive shooting turn out, generally speaking
to be pretty good people. Not one hundred percent clearly,
(29:17):
but I think it's a pretty good avenue. And you
know what the other part of it is. You don't
have to be big, you don't have to be fast.
You just have to be able to focus. And if
you can do that, you can become a pretty darn
good shooter. All right, quick break here back in a
minute with more gun talk.
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Hey, coming up on the show in just a little bit,
we're gonna have a range report from somebody who took
the firearms training class from every Town every Town for
Gun Safety, which of course is a gun band group,
but they've decided that they're going to become a gun
(32:06):
of course, they've always claimed they were a gun safety
group and now they're going to be a firearm training organization. Yeah,
it turned out about like you would think. But we'll
have some details on that. All right. Here's a crazy story.
Crazy story? Where was this? Baltimore, Maryland armed police handcuffed
(32:29):
and searched a student at a high school after an
AI Artificial intelligence an AI driven security system flagged the
teen's empty bag of Dorito's as a firearm. Yeah, what
(32:50):
could go wrong? Let's use AI for our security. The
police were called student named Taki Taki Takai Alan. He said,
they made me get on my knees, put my hands
behind my back and cuffed me after AI looked at
(33:13):
this and said he has a gun. It was a
bag of Dorito's. So they starts being figured out I
had nothing, he said. At first, I was wondering was
I about to die? Because they had a gun pointed
at me. Eight cop cars pulled up because a security system,
(33:36):
a camera linked to a computer. For some reason, the
shape of this bag of Dorito's in this kid's hand,
this thing thought it was a gun. It is entirely
possible that they could have killed this kid. When the
(34:01):
cops are called and they roar in there and report
of somebody with a gun, and they come in with
their guns out, and unfortunately, because of the training, it's
just not that very good. Many times they got their
fingers on the trigger. They're excited, they're ramped up, they're
amped up, and they're often scared. Really possible, very easy
(34:27):
for somebody to twitch just a little bit and somebody
gets shot. They're gonna go back and look at this
system and says, you wonder what we did wrong. Yeah,
I can tell you what you did wrong. You count
on a machine to provide security. Ah, the stuff out there. Oh,
(34:47):
at the we were talking about some of the Awards
that the NSGW here's another award here. Ruber and Magpoll
announced that the RX and Pistol was awarded both the
best New Handgun and Best New Overall Product at the
NEEESGW POMA Awards. POMA is the Professional Outdoor Media Association.
(35:10):
It's a group that I helped start. Four of us
started POMA about twenty five five years ago. Before that,
there was the Outdoor Writers Association of America. I was
on the board of that organization a couple of different times.
My dad was the president. And then OWAA, which was
for people who wrotebout hunging fishing, decided to get woke.
(35:33):
They went anti NRA, they went green, and they went
high diversity. And when they went to a total anti
NRA bent, three hundred of us resigned and four of us,
John Phillips, Jim Zumbo, Wayne Fears and me got together
(35:54):
and said, hey, let's form a new group, and we
formed a group called POMA, Professional Outdoor Media Association. It
still exists. If you are a communicator in the outdoor world,
I would suggest that you take a look at POMA.
Maybe you ought to belong to it. It's a really
good support network for what you do. But just I
(36:16):
thought I would share that story about at a certain point.
And look, I grew up as a member of OWAA.
I was the youngest ever member, because you have to
have professional credentials and have been published a good bit.
And I was able to join OWAA at the age
of eighteen. No one had ever been able to get
in at that young age. And I was a member
(36:38):
for many, many years. And it was sad to see
it go woke, to see it go crazy the way
it did. I hated it. I hated watching what happened
to it. But at the same time, I couldn't sit
there and be a part of a group that said, okay,
we are well how did they do it? It's not
(37:00):
like they were castigating the innerey. They put out a
statement challenging the NRA, basically saying the NRA was wrong
with what they were saying about the Second Amendment. And
I said, you know no, I mean we're talking twenty
five years ago, way way, way, way long before LaPier
and all that. And we said, now we can't be
(37:20):
a part of this anymore. And we walked out. More
than three hundred of us did. And I think probably
the membership at that point was fifteen hundred or so,
so it was a significant number. And we said, you know,
we're going to form our own group. Well, actually we
all walked out without a plan at all, and then
the four of us got together and said, you know,
(37:40):
let's just go ahead and do this thing. And we
got together at a shot show, held a meeting. I
remember the four of us standing up in front of
this group and said, all right, this is what we
want to do. Does anybody else want to do this
with us? And we had probably a room of thirty
or forty people. Everybody said, yeah, let's do this. Well, no,
that's not what they said. They said, yeah, let's you
(38:02):
guys do this thing. That's how it works, isn't it.
It's not like we're all going to do this together.
It's oh yeah, we're all in favor of it. You
guys go ahead and do that. Oh okay, I see
what we're up to now. So we pulled it together.
I think we ended up starting off with nine people
to meet. And I'm really good at naming things, products
(38:23):
and organizations and things, and I came up with a name.
I jumped online and grabbed the url. So we would
have the website for it, and we were off and
running and we created the POMA Professional Outdoor Media Association.
So anyway, that was the group that just named the
Ruger RXm, Ruger and Magpol together. Is this collaborative effort.
(38:44):
Now it's called a collab of course, because it's just
so much harder to say collaborative or collaboration. I don't know,
weird stuff, but it's it's cute to be in with
have the slang and the internal jargon. It's how we different.
It's how we keep people out of our groups. Right
to come up with jargon. Always been that way. I'll
(39:05):
be right back. Well, obviously I was not here last week,
and I appreciate Ryan and the crew filling in and
doing the show, and they did it as a video
as well. If you didn't see it, you can go
(39:27):
onto our YouTube channel or some of our other channels
and look for gun Talk and you'll see them basically
doing the gun Talk radio show, but as a video,
as a podcast with a lot of people involved, had
lots of good information. We appreciate that. The reason I
couldn't do the show last week, well I chose not
to is because I chose to be in Elk camp
(39:48):
Elk counting. Of course, I got my moose. I got
freight trained a few weeks ago. By the way, had
elk or freight train this morning with moose saucage and
fried egg. His yubby moose meat is delicious. So flew
out into the frank Church River of No Return wilderness area.
(40:12):
So I flew my sus Now, then we unloaded that man,
eat it all up. We got it packed up on
pack mules, and I get on a horse and I'm
ride in a pack train and we go way back
and then there's a drop camp there. So there are
actually five of us in camp. Four of us have tags.
One our buddy, Brad's just kind of support and having
(40:33):
fun with us. We had a great time. John, our
neighbor and friend. He got a nice mature bull elk
first day, and Mike and his son Tanner passed up
some four buys first day. I hunted the entire week
(40:55):
without seeing or hearing an Elk bull or I don't
know if it was the hunting God's saying, yeah, you're good.
You've got a freezer full of moose meat. You don't
need anything, Okay. I had my three thirty eight out
six and we actually improved my rifle with me. I
was ready and I hiked a well, I hiked as
(41:16):
far as I could hike. I can't go as high
in as far as some of these younger guys can,
but I did what I could do. But I just
wasn't in the right place or they weren't in the
right place. Did get to seek a couple of moose,
a love sick bull chasing this cow, great big cow.
We watched that show for about an hour. It was
(41:38):
kind of like a junior high kid, you know, in
love with the you know, the seventh throat grader in
love with the ninth grader. That ain't happening. She was
having none of it. But it was fun to watch
the whole show. It's like mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom
or something out there. But we were camping out, We
got rained down a little bit, got snowed on a
little bit. It was just a great old time. And
(42:00):
each of us brings a dinner or two, and each
night somebody else is responsible for making dinner. That worked
out really well. It's a great time. It's not as
much about the hunting. After you've done it a few
years ago. Yeah, you know, just getting out with the friends,
swapping stories and just the experience of camping out got
(42:25):
a little bit chilly. I've got my system. I take
one sleeping bag and I slide it in sight of
the other sleeping bag. Take two bags and that way.
If it's warmer, you go down to one bag. If
it gets really cold, you can put two of them
together and you're good to go. So that was my experience.
(42:46):
Now we are looking at deer season. So the tag
I have from your deer starts on November one, won't
be able to go out there until the third because
I have to be here, of course to do the
radio show on the second. We'll do that. But now
it's like, okay, well I'm not going to take the
three thirty eightout six for that. I think I'm taking
(43:06):
my new two fifty seven Roberts actually improved out for
that shooting in the Nos. One hundred and fifteen grain
ballistic tip bullet. I'm going back and forth between that
and the two sixty Remington. But you know the great
part about deer, it doesn't really matter. You can shoot
it with pretty much anything. If you hit them. You're
going to get them, as simple as that. But for me,
(43:28):
you know me, I like my gear. There's a reason
that I've had friends that dubbed me Gadget Gresham because
I do like the gear. So there you go. Hey,
when we come back, a gun control group starts doing
firearms training. Yeah, that's about its legit. As you might clean.
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