November 29, 2025 • 34 mins
In this episode of Gun Talk Hunt, KJ is officially back in the trail cam game, and he's joined by Lindsay Thomas of the National Deer Association and Mark Olis of Moultrie Mobile to break down how modern camera tech can transform your deer management and hunting strategy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, I'm gonna give you guys a quick rundown
with Lindsey Thomas and Mark OLiS on how to better
your herd health and find more bucks this season. I'm kJ,
you found the right place. We go all over this
little blue orb sharing stories and tactics about chasing wild gang.
(00:22):
Now let's get on the honey. Welcome in all you
gun talk hunters. I am your host, kJ, and man,
it's gonna be a great episode today because I am back,
I can officially announce that I am back in the
trail cam business. And what does that mean? What does
(00:45):
that look like? We're going to cover it today. This
episode is brought to you by Remington Amo, Ruger Hodginen,
Powders and range Ready Studios. So for this episode, we've
got Lindsey Thomas of the National Deer Association and Mark
OLiS from Moultree Cameras, Moultrie Mobile, that kind of thing.
(01:05):
But let's jump in. Let's talk about deer herd and
health and how to utilize your cameras to better your
herd health with Lindsey Thomas of the National Deer Association.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Lindsey, how you doing, man, I'm great, kJ.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
How are you I'm doing good. So just a little
biterrief background for you and Mark. I have not run
trail cameras in I would say a solid twelve years.
I picked up my first Moultrie camera. It's an Edge three.
(01:41):
It's a remote, one of the cellular cameras, and I'm
running it this year. And boy have I missed a
lot in the last ten years, because these things are
absolutely incredible, and I want to know, lindsay, how do
you utilize like your trailcam network to manage your deer herd?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
You know, it's almost listless the ways I don't use
it because that's easier. I mean, I use them all
year long. I'm running edges as well, have been for
a while on the on the mobile multimobile wireless network.
I run them most of the year, if.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Not all year long.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I'm looking at everything from fawn recruitment in spring to
buck age structure in fall, to how they're using various
areas of the habitat, how they're responding to habitat improvements.
You know, this last year I started putting moving some
cameras into some burn units I had just burned with
(02:42):
some growing season fire to see how deer responded to
the recovering forage and cover after a growing season burn.
So it's a little bit of everything kJ that you
can do from herd to habitat management. And that's of
course not to mention hunting strategy.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah, so wow, we're within the hunting season right now
and guys are running these cameras. Like, let's look at
the off season and where where you're kind of doing
your monitoring. Where are you setting those up or is
it all travel corridors from a bed to feed type
(03:19):
of situation. Where are you starting to look at placing
those when you talk about your particular property.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So in the off season, I'm generally most of the year,
I'm looking for unbiased camera locations. And what I mean
by that is a site that is not going to
be biased in how it looks at the deer population
or areas that deer are using. In other words, I
want to get a good, unbiased look at the entire
(03:48):
deer population and how they're using the whole property. So
usually in the off season, I'm looking for just good,
heavily traveled trails and that can be anywhere from between
bedding and feeding or general movement patterns or whatever. So
I'm trying to put cameras in different areas on trails
to capture deer movement and therefore capture pretty much the
(04:08):
whole deer population and unbiased look those farms bucks using
different areas. You know. What I don't want is a
site that is biased in either time of day the
deer are using it, or the sex of deer that
are using it. I want to capture a little bit
of everything and that kind that way, I can kind
of get a good sense of things like dough to bug,
(04:30):
ratio fall and recruitment, a structure of bucks, you know,
a good look at the entire population and how they're
using the property that I'm hunting.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Right, Yeah, I mean will will their movement in that
stuff that you're picking up on camera dictate a lot
of the times how you improve your property? Does that
do you notice that at all?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yes? It does. You know. One of the things that
we've noticed with using prescribed fire is we try to
have prescribe fire on a rotation of every two to
three years in our burn units, but we're going for
a patchwork of different habitat across those burn units. In
other words, we're not burning everything in the same year.
You're burning a little bit each year every year, and
(05:19):
that way you've got burn units that have got every
level of forage and cover recovery, from brand new fresh
forage to two to three year old cover. And what
we've found is deer respond to those in different ways.
That two to three year old cover for a deer
is visibly blocking, so they feel safe in that it's
not like a food plot, it's not wide open. And
(05:42):
so how deer use those burn units in any given
year translates into what we're doing during deer season, because
not only is there forage there, but deer will now
use some of those burn units during daylight hours more
than they will others because of that security sense. So
then then of course our fire breaks a lot of
(06:02):
times are shooting lanes, so we're our hunting strategy infiltrates
the barn units, and so the cameras tell us and
and verify for us that deer are responding in these
ways and which units they're using more, which units they're
coming out into in daylight hours. So therefore we can
hunt those effectively.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And this is this is the time of year, and
since we're in like the hunting season, Like everybody's sending
me trail cam photos and it's funny because like both
all trail camp photos that I get are are all
in like they're dark. They're dark, so the deer somewhere
else they've got to you got to have them in
the light. Like that's when you start like knowing, Okay,
(06:42):
now I can I can start to like kill this buck.
But when you're looking at oh my gosh, because I'm
thinking about these fire breaks, now you have me on
a whole different like level of like, well should I
start implementing that and letting the deer take what I
do to my property? How? I mean? I guess like
(07:04):
it's it's one of those things like how trusting, Like
what type of information do you have to intake to
dictate that you are going to make a change to
that property?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
You mean in terms of the habitat?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, in terms of the habitat, Because what I would
be worried about is I'd make a wrong move on
my property and I'm like like through four or five
year you know, out there milling around and then I'm like,
well if I change this and then it ends up
being wrong, Like how do you go about like deciding
what to do, Like cause you talk about a burn
and I'm like, well, I've got areas that I could
(07:39):
burn off. Now the worry I have in Oklahoma is
that I'd start the burn and then it'd take off
and light the whole place on fire. That's what I
have to worry about.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Hey, we need to do another episode about prescribe fire.
We'll be happy. Mark and I both will come back
and talk about that because we both brown. And the
effectiveness of the usefulness of it and how you do it.
It's not difficult, and it's certainly you know, when you
do it right and you're burning into the wind, it's
safe and it's actually kind of boring to stand there
and watch. That's how you want it, But we do
(08:10):
that because it improves forage and cover. When you burn,
you are taking rewinding the clock on that cover back
to the stage that produces high quality broadly forbs that
deer eat, and that produce the highest protein and nutrients
for deer. That's the point that you're doing it, whether
you need to or not, comes back to where are
(08:31):
you on your property in terms of numbers of deer
and the amount of food for them. How's your deer health.
Are you seeing a lot of fat on them in
the fall? Do you see a brows line in the woods?
You know, are you seeing effects where that show you
you have more deer than you have deer food? And
that's when you want to do some practices like fire
and food plots and et cetera to increase the amount
(08:53):
of deer food. And of course, on the other side
of the balance scales is dough harvest to reduce deer
density as needed till you get food and deer numbers aligned.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Good gosh, we're thinking of all the things that I'm
doing wrong with my property right now that I'm like, like,
I'll harvest a couple of dose, but like I feel
like a trail cam, just three or four trail cameras
would make an entire difference because then I don't have
to go out at night and do number count or
(09:25):
anything like that. And it's like you're you're limiting your
footprint on how many times you have to go in
and do surveys or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, And you know, this is one of the things
about when you talked about seeing photos and they're all
in the dark. This is something hunters have to think
about in how you use your cameras across the year.
Going back to what I said about a biased location,
and there are lots of biases. If, for example, I
love to run cameras on scraps, that's a great way
to get an inventory in the fall of the bucks
(09:56):
that are using the property when you can hunt it.
But research shows us about eighty five percent of scrape
activity occurs at night. And so if you put your
cameras on scrapes and then say, well, they're all nocturnal, no,
that's because they're only using those scrapes at night mostly.
And the same is true with a hunted bait site.
(10:17):
We know this from good science. If you've got a
bait site and that is being hunted or pressured, the
chances are most activity around that bait site is going
to be at night, especially by mature bucks. If you
put a camera on any hunted site that is hunted heavily, again,
pressure is biasing what you're seeing on that camera. Same
(10:37):
thing with you. You know, if your property you hunt it,
you hunt has a lot of cover in one area,
but your camera is three hundred four hundred yards from
the nearest quality cover and you say well, they're all nocturnal. No,
it's because of the location of the camera. They're not
getting out to that location until dark because it's so
far from good security cover that they're using during daytime.
(10:59):
So those of sites give you a biased look at
deer activity. And I hear people say, oh, the bucks
have gone nocturnal. Well wait a minute, where are your cameras?
And that is why, you know, using trails, using good cover,
using passageways, and burn you know, fire breaks that go
through good cover instead of sites that might have a
(11:19):
bias in how the deer activity uses those will give
you a better look not only at the entire deer population,
but at you know, activity levels and enable you to
see that deer aren't just moving at night. It might
just be your cameras that are where you are putting
them that's telling you that.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
That's man, I've got to go go and redo all
my strategy, especially now. Lindsey, thanks and hang on because
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Speaker 3 (15:22):
Welcome in man, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Okay, So we talked to Lindsay about like gear Herd health,
property management, utilizing the trail cam. We're in season now,
what are you doing with your trail cameras leading up
to harvest that big book? How are you focusing in
(15:47):
and dialing in your trail camera strategy to help you.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yeah, so one of the big things, so to Lindsay's point,
like on our place, you know, early season, we're monitoring
food things like that. But you know, here we are November,
so it's the rut, right. So now I'm not abandoning
those food cameras, but I'm actually placing other cameras. So
(16:16):
those can be a number of places. So you know,
if you look at a holistic you know, look at
your property and you've hunted it and you've got cameras,
you know, areas that tend to hold doe and things
like that, those are great areas to set up cameras
looking for those bucks because once those bucks really start seeking,
(16:36):
they're taking the shortest path or they're they're hitting as
many of those places as they can to scent check
for doughs and asterisk things like that. So that's where
the travel corridors can come in, you know, and the
more you hunt a place and you're on it, you
kind of know where those are. To to Lindsey's point,
you know, maybe you have some scrapes or rub lines
(16:58):
that are active, you're kind of in those. And then
you know also those like I said, I don't abandon
those food source cameras because those dose are still coming
there and and you'll start to see uh, daylight activity
from Bucks and things like that. So so I really
uh and then other places, I also hunt some public
(17:20):
land here locally, you know, where you can't manipulate the land,
you can't plant food plots, things like that. So I'll
wait and go into those areas closer to the rut,
and I'll look for drainages and terrain features that are
gonna really funnel activity. And I'll and I'll just put
cameras in those locations so I can see what's coming
(17:43):
through or Bucks cruising things like that. It's it's it's
a much different mentality than than a few you know,
a month ago, where it's we're just looking at food cover.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yeah, what what is I guess switching to like because
I didn't I didn't ask lindsay this, and I bet
he has some advice on this too. What is because
you're like, Okay, I'm gonna get a trail camera, I'm
gonna put it out. I've got a spot for it.
But is there an ideal number of trail cameras you
should be running per like acreage, Like, if if I've
(18:16):
got ten acres, I should probably be running four cameras
or whatever it might be. Is there is there an
ideal number that you kind of look at.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
You know, it's so site specific. You know, if you're
on a I say Oklahoma for example, and and you're
on ten acres with a river bottom, you know, you
know this deer going to move in that river bottom,
so you you might get away with a couple cameras.
If that property is divided into ridge lines and bottoms
(18:48):
and broken up more, maybe there's big ag involved and
the habitat is really broken. That's really going to dictate,
you know, because how are the deer moving through the landscape.
So it's it's hard to say there's a number. It's
also you know, with sell cams, you're you're paying for
a monthly subscription or maybe an annual, so you know,
(19:10):
it also becomes a budgetary concern. You know, how much
am I willing to spend?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
You know, because if you're like, hey, I can afford
to run five cameras, well, then you know put those
cameras to use. And and always I always like to
have cameras, you know, where I can if I find something,
I'm like, man, I'd really like to see what the
deer doing here.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Those learning techniques kind of like what Lindsey was talking
about before. He he runs cameras year round because he
wants to learn. He wants to find out how the
deer moving. I'm always moving and positioning cameras, especially on
that public land. I'll put cameras up with the intent
to maybe only leave it there two to three weeks,
just to get an idea are the deer accessing? Are
(19:55):
they coming through here? So it's also you know, a
way to a limit areas. You know, you're not just
finding the areas to hunt, but if you can eliminate
an area, that's as beneficial as finding an area.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, it's it's interesting you're you're using the term eliminating
places because I'm through observation I've been able to eliminate.
But man, how much easier would it be to have
something scouting in for me twenty four to seven? You
I don't have to access because how and Mark and
(20:32):
Lindsay you both know this is that how it used
to be was you had you know, SD cards and
you have to go out and you have to pull
that card and then you sit there and you scroll
and you scroll and you scroll and you find Now
you're having to find patterns. Now with the cellular technology
that we've been blessed with, is you don't have to
(20:52):
go out in the field. Because that's why I stopped
running in the trail cameras, is because I felt myself
always going back, like every weekend here I go, I'm
gonna go check the cameras, and then when I hunt,
which I only had the weekend to hunt, and there'd
be no deer there because I've accessed that stuff so much,
they're like, oh, he's coming to check again. I'm We're
going to stay out of that area, you know. And
(21:14):
so the technology that we've got nowadays really allows you
to like monitor everything on your property. Twenty four to seven, Mark,
do you notice the same thing, Because I mean when
I stopped running cameras, I was like, I'm done with
them for good. And now with the Edge three that
you guys like that you guys have at Moultrie, like,
(21:37):
it has changed my outlook on how I view the
optimization of trail cams.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yeah. So, and that's the big thing that and I
think that's the that's kind of the first thing that
guys realize once they start running a cellular camera. It's like, man,
I'm getting the intel and I'm not stepping foot in
the woods. That's that's like the first benefit everyone realizes,
and then it just builds from there. And at Moultrie,
(22:05):
that's what we look at. You know, we've got a
lot of hunters in the building. We listen to our customers,
what do you want out of this system, and then
that's where we build it into the app side. So,
you know, the with the Moultrie app, the whole goal
is you've got one app that you knew all your
hunt planning from. So you've got your cameras. They're bringing
(22:25):
in that intel, you know, at the very basic level,
what dear, what time? That kind of stuff, you know,
And then that's why we build in a full mapping
feature because now you can see your cameras pinned across
the landscape. You can even click on those cameras to
see what kind of activity has been coming through. So
now you can start to pattern box, pattern movement things
(22:48):
like that. And you know, Lindsey was talking about getting
those you know, dough to buck ratios fon recruitment. We've
even built in a dirt deer survey feature into the
Moultree system, so now you can run that and Moultrie
does the math for you. Now you still have to
place cameras appropriately and things like that, but that's that's
(23:11):
about what we're here to do is how can this
be more beneficial, more useful to a hunter? And that's
where we pour all of our time and resources not
only into that camera and the hardware, but when you
put that camera on a tree, your full interaction is
through that app, and so that's where a lot of
the efforts go into, is how can we help you.
(23:33):
So we've got the full weather forecasting built in, you
know the ideal winds for your tree stands, so you
can pull that app up quick glance, Okay, I know
where what stands I can hunt today or maybe down
the road. And we've got the deer prediction model built
in there so you can look at a forecast of hey,
when is movement going to be good? And that data
(23:55):
is coming from actual trail cam input. So yeah, it's
it's really cool. Once you dive in and seasons the
fun time you get to use all the fun tools
during season.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Well, and I don't think if you're listening to this,
if you're watching this, don't get discouraged because because because
Mark just like laid down a gauntlet of oh, it
can do this, it can do this, it can do this.
It's not hard. Like I had that camera up and
running within like ten minutes. It was good to go.
(24:25):
I had everything set and then, like you said, once
you dive into that app, it's very self explanatory. So
I'm going to tell you right now, if I can
do it, you sure can do it, and like, don't
worry about it. The only thing, and we're about to
close out with Mark and bring them both back in
the only thing I want to do is how in
(24:46):
the heck do you keep cattle from access, like from
getting curious about your camera? Do you have any tips
or tricks that I can use, because Count number eighty nine,
Cow number four, and Count number eight are on my
hit list right now.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Hey, cols love a camera, especially if it's staked in
the middle of nowhere. Man, they're gonna rob it, They're
gonna lick it. Elk are really bad on cameras too.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
What is it with these servants?
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Come on, oh man, they love it. You're gonna the
only way to do it is to have it, you know,
some kind of enclosure around it to make sure. But yeah,
we don't have a cure for the cattle yet.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I'm telling you, if you come up with that, they're like,
everybody will buy one whatever it is, if it is
it a spray, because I mean they just immediately, like
I put the camera out and within a day and
a half and I'd already driven back to Louis in
a day and a half. The camera's lean down and
(25:48):
it's looking at a tree, and so all I had
for like a week and a half was pictures of
a tree limb. I'm telling you, yeah, right, hey, let's
jump in. Let's bring Lindsey back in. Let's have Mark
back in. Let's start with Lindsay. Lindsay any final shots,
anything that was said that caught your ear or anything
(26:11):
that's going on with the National Deer Association.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, you know, one thought I had about something that
Mark said at the National Deer Association. One of the
methods we teach people is how to do a formal
trail camera survey. And there's a whole method for that
We've even written a book on it to help people
do that. But the multie app you know now does
the deer survey that Mark mentioned that basically, you know,
(26:35):
the technology today is making it so easy for owners
to be able to get this kind of information like
dough bug ratios, fun recruitment, bucket structure and etc. At
the touch of a button in the app, and you
don't have to do the hard work anymore of the survey. So,
you know, and you mentioned going back to the days
of pulling cards. I'm going to make myself look like
(26:58):
a dinosaur.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Here.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Let me tell you about one hour photo and rolls
of thirty six exposure film. Oh my god, you really
want to go back to the old days. No, it's uh,
the modern technology today is just incredible and it's addictive.
Three hundred and sixty five days a year, I'm looking
at my app looking to see it's on the camera.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I had to hide my app because I was on
it so much, Like I was like, oh, because you
can create folders and you can you know, there's so
much you can do with it that I had to
hide it within like my apps to like, so I
wasn't on it all the time, like, oh, what are
the deer doing today? You know? And but but that's
a good thing because I don't have to go there
and I don't have to see it, like I don't
(27:37):
have to, I don't have to I don't have to
be there in the woods to gain the intel that
I mean the only way you used to be able
to get there is just be in the woods. And
I'm not saying, oh, don't go out in the woods, like,
but I can do my scouting from afar. But so, Lindsey,
(27:57):
the National Deer Association, what's new with the NDA.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
It's a busy time of year for us right now, OKJ.
All kinds of things going on. We got our Field
of Sport program running hot that is our adult hunterly
clevement program where we pair up adults who want to
learn to acquire their own venison with mentors. And we've
got hunts going on multiple states all over the country.
You know. Education is a big mission for us as
(28:23):
a nonprofit and answering questions about deer everything from habitat
management to herd management to when is the rut going
to be? You know. So it's it's a busy time
of year and our Public Lands Initiative is rolling right
now too, which is an effort working with the US
Forest Service and the Fishing Wildlife Service to help them
(28:45):
get the habitat management done they've been wanting to do
on public lands. You know, we've got a lot of
great public lands. We talk about, well, we need more,
but the truth is we also need to improve the
habitat on the public lands that we've got that we
already own. These lands could be producing more opportunity and
gain if the habitat was managed better. So that's why
(29:05):
our Public Lands Initiative is going.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
So.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, it's a busy time of year the National Deer Association,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
What man, I want I want you to drop some
knowledge here. What is the rut going to happen early
this year? Because I've already heard guys in Oklahoma, Oh man,
it's on, and I'm like, settle down, guys, like I
don't think it's quite there yet.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
The answer is it's going to happen at the same
time in any given location that it always has happened.
It varies across the map.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Uh, you know where Mark is in Alabama is going
to be later than November. Where I am in coastal
Georgia it was earlier. It was late October, but you
know most of the country it's somewhere in November. But
wherever you are, it's going to be consistent year to year.
And that's because the timing is all based around putting
a faone on the ground two hundred days later when
(30:00):
the forage and cover is optimal for that fall. That
date changes by location, and so a dough needs to
come into Estras at the same time in any location
every year. The Moon's not going to change that, the
weather is not going to change that. Not even hunting
pressure is going to change that. So traditionally, when you
have seen the peak of activity where you hunt, it's
(30:21):
going to be around that same time every year. And
this is why we tell people, Hey, if it's the
day of the year or the week of the year
for you when it normally happens, but it's warm and hot,
go anyway. If that's not going to suppress rut activity.
The deer, the dose are still going to come into Estras,
bucks are still going to be chasing them. Get in
the woods if you can go.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Man, I tell everybody all the time, like no itself
always around the same timeframe, and you just explained it.
Thank you for dropping all that knowledge. That's perfect. It's
way more than I was I was guessing you that,
which I'm happy you did. Mark any final show.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Well, I just wanted to say, like, we were really
close with the National Deer Association when we were developing
the Deer Survey tool, so we were working with Kip
Adams and the team there, and so we're you know,
the NDA is just great partners with Moultrie and and
so we lean on those guys that they're a huge resource.
(31:23):
And you know one thing I was gonna say, I mean,
I love the organization personally, and Lindsey, I don't know
if you've heard, but myself and a few other guys
here in the Central Alabama just started a Central Alabama chapter.
So we are like in the infancy of We've had
like two meetings. We're kicking that off. So a lot
(31:44):
of fun stuff going around. So I definitely, you know,
encourage folks to go check out the NDA. They just
they do a lot of awesome work. And you know,
from the management side, I love it. I eat that
stuff up. But no, like I mean from Moultrie, I
mean multi dot Com. We've got every day. You know,
there's a lot to talk about. We could do a
(32:04):
whole podcast on the app and things like that, but
you know, go check it out. And I would say
anyone that's looked, maybe you haven't run a cell cam,
maybe you're looking to try one or get a few more.
Later this month, when those Black Friday deals get going,
we're gonna have some major deals on the camera. So
(32:25):
you know, maybe pinch those pennies right now because there's
gonna be some really good sales on those cameras here
just in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Well, I love it, and I appreciate you guys for
coming on. I'm gonna give my final shots. I was
out of the trail camera game for a long time,
and it took a buddy of mine saying, dude, just
try it please to get me back into this game.
And this is going to change the way I hunt
(32:55):
because I live, you know, a thousand miles away from
my my hunting property, and the only way I can
get out there is to pack up my truck drive
eleven and a half hours to get to the property.
I don't have to do that as much anymore because
I've got the intel at my fingertips, and it will
(33:19):
help my overall deer herd health because now I can
know what's going on and that'll help dictate what I
do to the property down the line, and organizations like
the National Deer Association and companies like Moultrie are the
only way that happens. So I appreciate these guys for
coming on, and I'm telling you what you need to
(33:41):
get a trail camera today. Put it on your property.
You will not be sorry you missed it anyway. That's
it for me. Guys, you know the drill. Keep those
muzzles pointing in a safe direction, and always be on
the hunt.
All right, I'm gonna give you guys a quick rundown
with Lindsey Thomas and Mark OLiS on how to better
your herd health and find more bucks this season. I'm kJ,
you found the right place. We go all over this
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(00:22):
Now let's get on the honey. Welcome in all you
gun talk hunters. I am your host, kJ, and man,
it's gonna be a great episode today because I am back,
I can officially announce that I am back in the
trail cam business. And what does that mean? What does
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that look like? We're going to cover it today. This
episode is brought to you by Remington Amo, Ruger Hodginen,
Powders and range Ready Studios. So for this episode, we've
got Lindsey Thomas of the National Deer Association and Mark
OLiS from Moultree Cameras, Moultrie Mobile, that kind of thing.
(01:05):
But let's jump in. Let's talk about deer herd and
health and how to utilize your cameras to better your
herd health with Lindsey Thomas of the National Deer Association.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Lindsey, how you doing, man, I'm great, kJ.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
How are you I'm doing good. So just a little
biterrief background for you and Mark. I have not run
trail cameras in I would say a solid twelve years.
I picked up my first Moultrie camera. It's an Edge three.
(01:41):
It's a remote, one of the cellular cameras, and I'm
running it this year. And boy have I missed a
lot in the last ten years, because these things are
absolutely incredible, and I want to know, lindsay, how do
you utilize like your trailcam network to manage your deer herd?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
You know, it's almost listless the ways I don't use
it because that's easier. I mean, I use them all
year long. I'm running edges as well, have been for
a while on the on the mobile multimobile wireless network.
I run them most of the year, if.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Not all year long.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I'm looking at everything from fawn recruitment in spring to
buck age structure in fall, to how they're using various
areas of the habitat, how they're responding to habitat improvements.
You know, this last year I started putting moving some
cameras into some burn units I had just burned with
(02:42):
some growing season fire to see how deer responded to
the recovering forage and cover after a growing season burn.
So it's a little bit of everything kJ that you
can do from herd to habitat management. And that's of
course not to mention hunting strategy.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Yeah, so wow, we're within the hunting season right now
and guys are running these cameras. Like, let's look at
the off season and where where you're kind of doing
your monitoring. Where are you setting those up or is
it all travel corridors from a bed to feed type
(03:19):
of situation. Where are you starting to look at placing
those when you talk about your particular property.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
So in the off season, I'm generally most of the year,
I'm looking for unbiased camera locations. And what I mean
by that is a site that is not going to
be biased in how it looks at the deer population
or areas that deer are using. In other words, I
want to get a good, unbiased look at the entire
(03:48):
deer population and how they're using the whole property. So
usually in the off season, I'm looking for just good,
heavily traveled trails and that can be anywhere from between
bedding and feeding or general movement patterns or whatever. So
I'm trying to put cameras in different areas on trails
to capture deer movement and therefore capture pretty much the
(04:08):
whole deer population and unbiased look those farms bucks using
different areas. You know. What I don't want is a
site that is biased in either time of day the
deer are using it, or the sex of deer that
are using it. I want to capture a little bit
of everything and that kind that way, I can kind
of get a good sense of things like dough to bug,
(04:30):
ratio fall and recruitment, a structure of bucks, you know,
a good look at the entire population and how they're
using the property that I'm hunting.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Right, Yeah, I mean will will their movement in that
stuff that you're picking up on camera dictate a lot
of the times how you improve your property? Does that
do you notice that at all?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yes? It does. You know. One of the things that
we've noticed with using prescribed fire is we try to
have prescribe fire on a rotation of every two to
three years in our burn units, but we're going for
a patchwork of different habitat across those burn units. In
other words, we're not burning everything in the same year.
You're burning a little bit each year every year, and
(05:19):
that way you've got burn units that have got every
level of forage and cover recovery, from brand new fresh
forage to two to three year old cover. And what
we've found is deer respond to those in different ways.
That two to three year old cover for a deer
is visibly blocking, so they feel safe in that it's
not like a food plot, it's not wide open. And
(05:42):
so how deer use those burn units in any given
year translates into what we're doing during deer season, because
not only is there forage there, but deer will now
use some of those burn units during daylight hours more
than they will others because of that security sense. So
then then of course our fire breaks a lot of
(06:02):
times are shooting lanes, so we're our hunting strategy infiltrates
the barn units, and so the cameras tell us and
and verify for us that deer are responding in these
ways and which units they're using more, which units they're
coming out into in daylight hours. So therefore we can
hunt those effectively.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
And this is this is the time of year, and
since we're in like the hunting season, Like everybody's sending
me trail cam photos and it's funny because like both
all trail camp photos that I get are are all
in like they're dark. They're dark, so the deer somewhere
else they've got to you got to have them in
the light. Like that's when you start like knowing, Okay,
(06:42):
now I can I can start to like kill this buck.
But when you're looking at oh my gosh, because I'm
thinking about these fire breaks, now you have me on
a whole different like level of like, well should I
start implementing that and letting the deer take what I
do to my property? How? I mean? I guess like
(07:04):
it's it's one of those things like how trusting, Like
what type of information do you have to intake to
dictate that you are going to make a change to
that property?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
You mean in terms of the habitat?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yeah, in terms of the habitat, Because what I would
be worried about is I'd make a wrong move on
my property and I'm like like through four or five
year you know, out there milling around and then I'm like,
well if I change this and then it ends up
being wrong, Like how do you go about like deciding
what to do, Like cause you talk about a burn
and I'm like, well, I've got areas that I could
(07:39):
burn off. Now the worry I have in Oklahoma is
that I'd start the burn and then it'd take off
and light the whole place on fire. That's what I
have to worry about.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Hey, we need to do another episode about prescribe fire.
We'll be happy. Mark and I both will come back
and talk about that because we both brown. And the
effectiveness of the usefulness of it and how you do it.
It's not difficult, and it's certainly you know, when you
do it right and you're burning into the wind, it's
safe and it's actually kind of boring to stand there
and watch. That's how you want it, But we do
(08:10):
that because it improves forage and cover. When you burn,
you are taking rewinding the clock on that cover back
to the stage that produces high quality broadly forbs that
deer eat, and that produce the highest protein and nutrients
for deer. That's the point that you're doing it, whether
you need to or not, comes back to where are
(08:31):
you on your property in terms of numbers of deer
and the amount of food for them. How's your deer health.
Are you seeing a lot of fat on them in
the fall? Do you see a brows line in the woods?
You know, are you seeing effects where that show you
you have more deer than you have deer food? And
that's when you want to do some practices like fire
and food plots and et cetera to increase the amount
(08:53):
of deer food. And of course, on the other side
of the balance scales is dough harvest to reduce deer
density as needed till you get food and deer numbers aligned.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Good gosh, we're thinking of all the things that I'm
doing wrong with my property right now that I'm like, like,
I'll harvest a couple of dose, but like I feel
like a trail cam, just three or four trail cameras
would make an entire difference because then I don't have
to go out at night and do number count or
(09:25):
anything like that. And it's like you're you're limiting your
footprint on how many times you have to go in
and do surveys or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, And you know, this is one of the things
about when you talked about seeing photos and they're all
in the dark. This is something hunters have to think
about in how you use your cameras across the year.
Going back to what I said about a biased location,
and there are lots of biases. If, for example, I
love to run cameras on scraps, that's a great way
to get an inventory in the fall of the bucks
(09:56):
that are using the property when you can hunt it.
But research shows us about eighty five percent of scrape
activity occurs at night. And so if you put your
cameras on scrapes and then say, well, they're all nocturnal, no,
that's because they're only using those scrapes at night mostly.
And the same is true with a hunted bait site.
(10:17):
We know this from good science. If you've got a
bait site and that is being hunted or pressured, the
chances are most activity around that bait site is going
to be at night, especially by mature bucks. If you
put a camera on any hunted site that is hunted heavily, again,
pressure is biasing what you're seeing on that camera. Same
(10:37):
thing with you. You know, if your property you hunt it,
you hunt has a lot of cover in one area,
but your camera is three hundred four hundred yards from
the nearest quality cover and you say well, they're all nocturnal. No,
it's because of the location of the camera. They're not
getting out to that location until dark because it's so
far from good security cover that they're using during daytime.
(10:59):
So those of sites give you a biased look at
deer activity. And I hear people say, oh, the bucks
have gone nocturnal. Well wait a minute, where are your cameras?
And that is why, you know, using trails, using good cover,
using passageways, and burn you know, fire breaks that go
through good cover instead of sites that might have a
(11:19):
bias in how the deer activity uses those will give
you a better look not only at the entire deer population,
but at you know, activity levels and enable you to
see that deer aren't just moving at night. It might
just be your cameras that are where you are putting
them that's telling you that.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
That's man, I've got to go go and redo all
my strategy, especially now. Lindsey, thanks and hang on because
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up to Alabama now and Mark OLiS of Moultrie, Mark.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Welcome in man, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
Okay, So we talked to Lindsay about like gear Herd health,
property management, utilizing the trail cam. We're in season now,
what are you doing with your trail cameras leading up
to harvest that big book? How are you focusing in
(15:47):
and dialing in your trail camera strategy to help you.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Yeah, so one of the big things, so to Lindsay's point,
like on our place, you know, early season, we're monitoring
food things like that. But you know, here we are November,
so it's the rut, right. So now I'm not abandoning
those food cameras, but I'm actually placing other cameras. So
(16:16):
those can be a number of places. So you know,
if you look at a holistic you know, look at
your property and you've hunted it and you've got cameras,
you know, areas that tend to hold doe and things
like that, those are great areas to set up cameras
looking for those bucks because once those bucks really start seeking,
(16:36):
they're taking the shortest path or they're they're hitting as
many of those places as they can to scent check
for doughs and asterisk things like that. So that's where
the travel corridors can come in, you know, and the
more you hunt a place and you're on it, you
kind of know where those are. To to Lindsey's point,
you know, maybe you have some scrapes or rub lines
(16:58):
that are active, you're kind of in those. And then
you know also those like I said, I don't abandon
those food source cameras because those dose are still coming
there and and you'll start to see uh, daylight activity
from Bucks and things like that. So so I really
uh and then other places, I also hunt some public
(17:20):
land here locally, you know, where you can't manipulate the land,
you can't plant food plots, things like that. So I'll
wait and go into those areas closer to the rut,
and I'll look for drainages and terrain features that are
gonna really funnel activity. And I'll and I'll just put
cameras in those locations so I can see what's coming
(17:43):
through or Bucks cruising things like that. It's it's it's
a much different mentality than than a few you know,
a month ago, where it's we're just looking at food cover.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Yeah, what what is I guess switching to like because
I didn't I didn't ask lindsay this, and I bet
he has some advice on this too. What is because
you're like, Okay, I'm gonna get a trail camera, I'm
gonna put it out. I've got a spot for it.
But is there an ideal number of trail cameras you
should be running per like acreage, Like, if if I've
(18:16):
got ten acres, I should probably be running four cameras
or whatever it might be. Is there is there an
ideal number that you kind of look at.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
You know, it's so site specific. You know, if you're
on a I say Oklahoma for example, and and you're
on ten acres with a river bottom, you know, you
know this deer going to move in that river bottom,
so you you might get away with a couple cameras.
If that property is divided into ridge lines and bottoms
(18:48):
and broken up more, maybe there's big ag involved and
the habitat is really broken. That's really going to dictate,
you know, because how are the deer moving through the landscape.
So it's it's hard to say there's a number. It's
also you know, with sell cams, you're you're paying for
a monthly subscription or maybe an annual, so you know,
(19:10):
it also becomes a budgetary concern. You know, how much
am I willing to spend?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
You know, because if you're like, hey, I can afford
to run five cameras, well, then you know put those
cameras to use. And and always I always like to
have cameras, you know, where I can if I find something,
I'm like, man, I'd really like to see what the
deer doing here.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
Those learning techniques kind of like what Lindsey was talking
about before. He he runs cameras year round because he
wants to learn. He wants to find out how the
deer moving. I'm always moving and positioning cameras, especially on
that public land. I'll put cameras up with the intent
to maybe only leave it there two to three weeks,
just to get an idea are the deer accessing? Are
(19:55):
they coming through here? So it's also you know, a
way to a limit areas. You know, you're not just
finding the areas to hunt, but if you can eliminate
an area, that's as beneficial as finding an area.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, it's it's interesting you're you're using the term eliminating
places because I'm through observation I've been able to eliminate.
But man, how much easier would it be to have
something scouting in for me twenty four to seven? You
I don't have to access because how and Mark and
(20:32):
Lindsay you both know this is that how it used
to be was you had you know, SD cards and
you have to go out and you have to pull
that card and then you sit there and you scroll
and you scroll and you scroll and you find Now
you're having to find patterns. Now with the cellular technology
that we've been blessed with, is you don't have to
(20:52):
go out in the field. Because that's why I stopped
running in the trail cameras, is because I felt myself
always going back, like every weekend here I go, I'm
gonna go check the cameras, and then when I hunt,
which I only had the weekend to hunt, and there'd
be no deer there because I've accessed that stuff so much,
they're like, oh, he's coming to check again. I'm We're
going to stay out of that area, you know. And
(21:14):
so the technology that we've got nowadays really allows you
to like monitor everything on your property. Twenty four to seven, Mark,
do you notice the same thing, Because I mean when
I stopped running cameras, I was like, I'm done with
them for good. And now with the Edge three that
you guys like that you guys have at Moultrie, like,
(21:37):
it has changed my outlook on how I view the
optimization of trail cams.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yeah. So, and that's the big thing that and I
think that's the that's kind of the first thing that
guys realize once they start running a cellular camera. It's like, man,
I'm getting the intel and I'm not stepping foot in
the woods. That's that's like the first benefit everyone realizes,
and then it just builds from there. And at Moultrie,
(22:05):
that's what we look at. You know, we've got a
lot of hunters in the building. We listen to our customers,
what do you want out of this system, and then
that's where we build it into the app side. So,
you know, the with the Moultrie app, the whole goal
is you've got one app that you knew all your
hunt planning from. So you've got your cameras. They're bringing
(22:25):
in that intel, you know, at the very basic level,
what dear, what time? That kind of stuff, you know,
And then that's why we build in a full mapping
feature because now you can see your cameras pinned across
the landscape. You can even click on those cameras to
see what kind of activity has been coming through. So
now you can start to pattern box, pattern movement things
(22:48):
like that. And you know, Lindsey was talking about getting
those you know, dough to buck ratios fon recruitment. We've
even built in a dirt deer survey feature into the
Moultree system, so now you can run that and Moultrie
does the math for you. Now you still have to
place cameras appropriately and things like that, but that's that's
(23:11):
about what we're here to do is how can this
be more beneficial, more useful to a hunter? And that's
where we pour all of our time and resources not
only into that camera and the hardware, but when you
put that camera on a tree, your full interaction is
through that app, and so that's where a lot of
the efforts go into, is how can we help you.
(23:33):
So we've got the full weather forecasting built in, you
know the ideal winds for your tree stands, so you
can pull that app up quick glance, Okay, I know
where what stands I can hunt today or maybe down
the road. And we've got the deer prediction model built
in there so you can look at a forecast of hey,
when is movement going to be good? And that data
(23:55):
is coming from actual trail cam input. So yeah, it's
it's really cool. Once you dive in and seasons the
fun time you get to use all the fun tools
during season.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Well, and I don't think if you're listening to this,
if you're watching this, don't get discouraged because because because
Mark just like laid down a gauntlet of oh, it
can do this, it can do this, it can do this.
It's not hard. Like I had that camera up and
running within like ten minutes. It was good to go.
(24:25):
I had everything set and then, like you said, once
you dive into that app, it's very self explanatory. So
I'm going to tell you right now, if I can
do it, you sure can do it, and like, don't
worry about it. The only thing, and we're about to
close out with Mark and bring them both back in
the only thing I want to do is how in
(24:46):
the heck do you keep cattle from access, like from
getting curious about your camera? Do you have any tips
or tricks that I can use, because Count number eighty nine,
Cow number four, and Count number eight are on my
hit list right now.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Hey, cols love a camera, especially if it's staked in
the middle of nowhere. Man, they're gonna rob it, They're
gonna lick it. Elk are really bad on cameras too.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
What is it with these servants?
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Come on, oh man, they love it. You're gonna the
only way to do it is to have it, you know,
some kind of enclosure around it to make sure. But yeah,
we don't have a cure for the cattle yet.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
I'm telling you, if you come up with that, they're like,
everybody will buy one whatever it is, if it is
it a spray, because I mean they just immediately, like
I put the camera out and within a day and
a half and I'd already driven back to Louis in
a day and a half. The camera's lean down and
(25:48):
it's looking at a tree, and so all I had
for like a week and a half was pictures of
a tree limb. I'm telling you, yeah, right, hey, let's
jump in. Let's bring Lindsey back in. Let's have Mark
back in. Let's start with Lindsay. Lindsay any final shots,
anything that was said that caught your ear or anything
(26:11):
that's going on with the National Deer Association.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, you know, one thought I had about something that
Mark said at the National Deer Association. One of the
methods we teach people is how to do a formal
trail camera survey. And there's a whole method for that
We've even written a book on it to help people
do that. But the multie app you know now does
the deer survey that Mark mentioned that basically, you know,
(26:35):
the technology today is making it so easy for owners
to be able to get this kind of information like
dough bug ratios, fun recruitment, bucket structure and etc. At
the touch of a button in the app, and you
don't have to do the hard work anymore of the survey. So,
you know, and you mentioned going back to the days
of pulling cards. I'm going to make myself look like
(26:58):
a dinosaur.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Here.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Let me tell you about one hour photo and rolls
of thirty six exposure film. Oh my god, you really
want to go back to the old days. No, it's uh,
the modern technology today is just incredible and it's addictive.
Three hundred and sixty five days a year, I'm looking
at my app looking to see it's on the camera.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
I had to hide my app because I was on
it so much, Like I was like, oh, because you
can create folders and you can you know, there's so
much you can do with it that I had to
hide it within like my apps to like, so I
wasn't on it all the time, like, oh, what are
the deer doing today? You know? And but but that's
a good thing because I don't have to go there
and I don't have to see it, like I don't
(27:37):
have to, I don't have to I don't have to
be there in the woods to gain the intel that
I mean the only way you used to be able
to get there is just be in the woods. And
I'm not saying, oh, don't go out in the woods, like,
but I can do my scouting from afar. But so, Lindsey,
(27:57):
the National Deer Association, what's new with the NDA.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
It's a busy time of year for us right now, OKJ.
All kinds of things going on. We got our Field
of Sport program running hot that is our adult hunterly
clevement program where we pair up adults who want to
learn to acquire their own venison with mentors. And we've
got hunts going on multiple states all over the country.
You know. Education is a big mission for us as
(28:23):
a nonprofit and answering questions about deer everything from habitat
management to herd management to when is the rut going
to be? You know. So it's it's a busy time
of year and our Public Lands Initiative is rolling right
now too, which is an effort working with the US
Forest Service and the Fishing Wildlife Service to help them
(28:45):
get the habitat management done they've been wanting to do
on public lands. You know, we've got a lot of
great public lands. We talk about, well, we need more,
but the truth is we also need to improve the
habitat on the public lands that we've got that we
already own. These lands could be producing more opportunity and
gain if the habitat was managed better. So that's why
(29:05):
our Public Lands Initiative is going.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
So.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, it's a busy time of year the National Deer Association,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
What man, I want I want you to drop some
knowledge here. What is the rut going to happen early
this year? Because I've already heard guys in Oklahoma, Oh man,
it's on, and I'm like, settle down, guys, like I
don't think it's quite there yet.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
The answer is it's going to happen at the same
time in any given location that it always has happened.
It varies across the map.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Uh, you know where Mark is in Alabama is going
to be later than November. Where I am in coastal
Georgia it was earlier. It was late October, but you
know most of the country it's somewhere in November. But
wherever you are, it's going to be consistent year to year.
And that's because the timing is all based around putting
a faone on the ground two hundred days later when
(30:00):
the forage and cover is optimal for that fall. That
date changes by location, and so a dough needs to
come into Estras at the same time in any location
every year. The Moon's not going to change that, the
weather is not going to change that. Not even hunting
pressure is going to change that. So traditionally, when you
have seen the peak of activity where you hunt, it's
(30:21):
going to be around that same time every year. And
this is why we tell people, Hey, if it's the
day of the year or the week of the year
for you when it normally happens, but it's warm and hot,
go anyway. If that's not going to suppress rut activity.
The deer, the dose are still going to come into Estras,
bucks are still going to be chasing them. Get in
the woods if you can go.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Man, I tell everybody all the time, like no itself
always around the same timeframe, and you just explained it.
Thank you for dropping all that knowledge. That's perfect. It's
way more than I was I was guessing you that,
which I'm happy you did. Mark any final show.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
Well, I just wanted to say, like, we were really
close with the National Deer Association when we were developing
the Deer Survey tool, so we were working with Kip
Adams and the team there, and so we're you know,
the NDA is just great partners with Moultrie and and
so we lean on those guys that they're a huge resource.
(31:23):
And you know one thing I was gonna say, I mean,
I love the organization personally, and Lindsey, I don't know
if you've heard, but myself and a few other guys
here in the Central Alabama just started a Central Alabama chapter.
So we are like in the infancy of We've had
like two meetings. We're kicking that off. So a lot
(31:44):
of fun stuff going around. So I definitely, you know,
encourage folks to go check out the NDA. They just
they do a lot of awesome work. And you know,
from the management side, I love it. I eat that
stuff up. But no, like I mean from Moultrie, I
mean multi dot Com. We've got every day. You know,
there's a lot to talk about. We could do a
(32:04):
whole podcast on the app and things like that, but
you know, go check it out. And I would say
anyone that's looked, maybe you haven't run a cell cam,
maybe you're looking to try one or get a few more.
Later this month, when those Black Friday deals get going,
we're gonna have some major deals on the camera. So
(32:25):
you know, maybe pinch those pennies right now because there's
gonna be some really good sales on those cameras here
just in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Well, I love it, and I appreciate you guys for
coming on. I'm gonna give my final shots. I was
out of the trail camera game for a long time,
and it took a buddy of mine saying, dude, just
try it please to get me back into this game.
And this is going to change the way I hunt
(32:55):
because I live, you know, a thousand miles away from
my my hunting property, and the only way I can
get out there is to pack up my truck drive
eleven and a half hours to get to the property.
I don't have to do that as much anymore because
I've got the intel at my fingertips, and it will
(33:19):
help my overall deer herd health because now I can
know what's going on and that'll help dictate what I
do to the property down the line, and organizations like
the National Deer Association and companies like Moultrie are the
only way that happens. So I appreciate these guys for
coming on, and I'm telling you what you need to
(33:41):
get a trail camera today. Put it on your property.
You will not be sorry you missed it anyway. That's
it for me. Guys, you know the drill. Keep those
muzzles pointing in a safe direction, and always be on
the hunt.
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