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-- How safe are publiic shooting ranges?
-- Should food delivery people carry guns for protection?
-- Don't juggle your gun!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:35):
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Speaker 4 (00:40):
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Speaker 4 (00:45):
Can't say on regular radio. Now here's Tom, Michelle and
Jim for the Gun Talk After Show.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
All right, Jim steps, we're ready to do the show.
But I'm really not so sure about that.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
He might be ready, Huh.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Anybody who's listen to us says, those people just aren't
really ready for pride metaphorically speaking. No, no, no, that's right,
but you're you're gonna record it anyway. So we got
Michelle Cleven, Jim Kinzie. There let's stay after show. Hi, guys,
fun show today we got Jamies Williams and Jack Carr.
But that's fun stuff right there.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
She was so excited.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
She's such a good spokesperson for our industry.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
She though she's just I mean, I hate to even
use the word, but she's bubbly.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
She's very much so she yes, yes.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
It's just like she's a twenty one year old who
has more experience than most.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
I said, Yeah, she's wade to look up her age
because I didn't know.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
I said.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
The tone of her voice, just the timbore of it is,
sounds like she's fourteen years old. Yeah, the content she's
giving sounds like she's forty years old.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
The vocabulary doesn't match. Yeah, the voice.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
No, But I bet you she was sharp when she
was fourteen.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Probably well she was.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Oh yeah, Well I'm fairly sure. They're homeschooled and they
have really sharp parents, and they grew up quite frankly,
more advanced than a lot of kids their age. How
about that.
Speaker 7 (02:12):
So there's that hey, speaker Tom, Yeah, yeah, speaker of Tom.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Let's grab the other Tom. Actually yet another two today?
We have our own Tom. That's right, in Fargo. Hey, Tom,
thanks for your patients.
Speaker 8 (02:25):
Hey absolutely so Tom. You you have mentioned last week
about a door dasher getting carjacked because he had cash,
and I was going to call in that most most
door dashers, nine of us and I used to do
door dash don't carry cash, just for the reasons you mentioned.
(02:49):
Because suddenly you're a targets and so I was going
to say, I was going to say that, and then
I was going to say, also, I would love to carry,
but I can't. The reason is I go into every
single type. I go into hospital, churches, police station, you
name it. I go into every single place and deliver food.
(03:12):
I would be constantly taking the gun in out, in out.
So I don't even carry gun safe but I am.
But I am very aware of my situational a situation awareness.
Look at always looking, see what people are doing, how
they're doing it. Yeah, yeah, I'm doing that, you know.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
And look let me let me jump in here because
I think maybe I understand what you're saying is that
you don't carry cash, but a carjacker or a robber
may not be aware of that. I remember a cop
one time, I broke it into a car and we
were asking, well, you know, why do they do that?
He says, there's no why. They're crackheads. They don't think
about that stuff. So in this case, it's like you think, well,
(03:53):
everybody knows we don't carry cash. Well no, maybe not.
Maybe they're just crackheads they don't know.
Speaker 8 (03:57):
Point. Yeah, that's real good point. Yes, well we can't
can't get down all the way down to their level,
and so since we're not down there, we don't think.
Well they don't think, so, yeah, we can't think like them.
And because they so, do you not?
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Do you not carry?
Speaker 8 (04:14):
Time?
Speaker 5 (04:15):
No?
Speaker 8 (04:16):
I would sure love to, and I'd love to quit
what I'm doing because my wife and I would both
like to carry. We really would, but we don't. We've
got the handguns to do it. We've got a good
place to train. There's in fact, this summer we're going
to shoot with an sere instructor and he's with the
(04:38):
Air Force and he's the only one licensed in the
state of North Dakota. He's Air Force. He's been certified
since nineteen seventy nine with the Air Force.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Yeah, instructor, they know stuff I have. I took a
class with a seer instructor, but wasn't firearms. It was wiarness,
medicine and survival and it was fascinating.
Speaker 8 (05:00):
That's what this guy does all the time. He and
he has two businesses. But he's also running for US
Congress out of North Dakota right now. He's running for
Congress excellently. But one last thing, So on your and
you said you were doing a shooting on a range
and there was unbeknownst to you, there was another group
came along as you had gone down down to the
(05:22):
down to the end to change your targets and they
started shooting. Now you said they were about thirty forty
yards away, which is still way too close. And is
there a range officer on duty at that range at
that time?
Speaker 5 (05:36):
No, No, this is just a public range where you
go show up and shoot. There's nobody operating it. That
it's an outdoor range. People come and go. You basically
have to look down the line and you all agree, okay,
it's safe, lines cleared, we'll all go down and then
you come back. There's a red flag you could put out,
but I wouldn't trust no life to the red flag either.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
And there's no lanes, no, no, yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Okay, No, it's just the words. It's one. It's a
half step beyond being a pasture with a berm.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I was just wondering if there was a way that
they could have seen you, Like, did they not see you?
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Did they not look?
Speaker 5 (06:17):
They didn't see me, didn't look. I mean I was
like right in front of them. Just like imagine if
you were like six or seven lanes over on an
outdoor range, target is over, you're going Yeah, you know,
I didn't have all my bright blaze orange vest, which
probably wouldn't be a bad idea to wear a place
like that, frankly, but you know, and I freely admit
(06:40):
part of it was me. I didn't h I thought
they had seen me, but I didn't consciously say okay, guys,
I'm going to go down. We just all went down
at the same time, and then they came back and
started shooting, just completely unaware that I had walked down
to change targets. When they did.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
Oh okay, I thought they showed up after you had
walked down range.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
No, I may have misstated that, yeah, they were shooting.
I waited until they took a break to go put turists.
We all walked down and then they walked back and
started shooting, and they just missed the fact that there
was somebody else walking down you know, the twenty yards
to their left over there.
Speaker 7 (07:16):
You didn't shoot back, did you tell me? I actually
gave it some thought. I actually gave it. Well, what
I thought was, I'm going to put one over the
top of the shed where they are, just because I mean,
I'm walking down there and I'm shooting a rifle with
the range, but I'm obviously carrying a handgun. And I thought,
how am I going to get these guys attention? Because
(07:38):
they're shooting a lot.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
I said, bang bang bang bang bang bang, bouncing, you know,
bullets off the ground, kicking up dust, and all I thought,
you're probably just you know, listening to one right over
the top of the Now I'm there right ye through
my head very briefly, and I rejected that idea.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
And I you know, sometimes people get so tunnel visioned
and what they're doing driving shooting, you know, they get
excited about coming back and forth and just you know,
carrying on with their training, not paying attention. Perhaps, right, Yeah,
so you can kind of understand it. That doesn't make
it okay, but it doesn't.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
But also I take it back to me. It's like, okay,
I'm not going to put it all.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
On them, right.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
I should have made contact and said, hey, guys, I'm
going to go down here too. They go okay, and
that would have been the end.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Of it, no problem.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
But they didn't look over to their side to see
whether or not you were standing there, or to know
if you went back to your car or were you
down range.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Yeah, we all screwed up on that day, and me unfortunately,
we all came home with that extra holes and yep,
it was okay, But it's one of those I filed
that one away and I want to share it with
people because it's like, how could that possibly happen? Well,
it happened, right now, let the in life. How did
it happen? What can I do differently? I can't change
their behavior, right, I can only change mine.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Right and learn and learn from it.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Do you have a question for our Tom and Fargo there?
Speaker 7 (09:04):
Tom?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, because it seems I get that you don't want
to have to take it on and off all the time,
but just having it in the car. Isn't there a
peace of mind that comes with just having the handgun?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
In the car where something.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
Happens on the way too, Yeah to stop.
Speaker 8 (09:22):
Really good point. That is an excellent, excellent point. And
I have just a cubby hole in the middle of
my ole. Shouldn't have said that, but I have a
plate number exactly.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
I think we have that many crackhead listeners.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I think you're okay, there's probably more than one Tom
and Fargo.
Speaker 8 (09:43):
As long as well, I know there's listener's Air and Fargo.
And I won't say what never mind what is looking
at right now. But yeah, that is a real good
point though.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Yeah, just having something in the car, even if you
don't have it on you, just for a piece of
if somebody comes and, you know, tries to make that
kind of attempt with the car jacking.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
Getting a fender bender on the way from US stop
has nothing to do with the job, right, exactly right.
Speaker 8 (10:09):
I like that idea. Thank you very much for suggesting
that I do. I do like that idea to do that.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
And it can be a little bit difficult getting the
gun in and out of a holster arrow. It's one
of the reasons that when I'm driving I like those
neck lanyards. A pistol onto that needs to take off
that way. Then you just hang it from the rearview mirror.
See were you not in the car.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
It's a really nice piece to show. It's a nice
that's hard.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
It's hard to count change with your finger in the
trigger guard.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
But I think maybe hanging a pistol from the rearview
mirror is considered hunting over bait.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
But you know, they have all kinds of holsters and
accessories that you can get to customize them for travel.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
Lockable gun exactly.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
They have the safe, but the mounts that're bolt under
your desk.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah, so say they have magnetic pieces that you can
put somewhere that hold like twenty thirty pounds.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
So there's lots of options out there.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Of course, that doesn't you know, you have to have
the right kind of gun with metal in the right
places for that to work. But yeah, there's lots of options,
and I would think something is better than nothing.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
If this world is as scary as.
Speaker 8 (11:22):
It seems, that's an excellent idea. I get rid of
all my CDs and put something more of importance in there.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
There you go, ah, oh oh, how about instead of
like a six disc changer, he could have a six
pistol changer.
Speaker 8 (11:41):
I like that so much. Everyone.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Yeah, take care of stay safe.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Yeah, it's entirely possible. I have not had enough caffeine today.
I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
A little slap happy. Maybe not enough sleep, but.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
I'm working on that whole trade. Are the copyright or
patent for the six gun? Change your CD thing?
Speaker 4 (12:05):
You need a bond gun?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
A bond gun?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah, you know, just some some some kind of bond
technology in your vehicle out of.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Your Yeah, that's right. Where is Q to design this
thing for?
Speaker 6 (12:19):
Right?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Even if it just gives you different magazines loaded? Gosh,
I would take that.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Well, here's gun.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Oh, let's go.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Here's your next magazine that you can't really put seventeen
rounds of ammunition into.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
That's why you get a twenty one round mags you
put seventeen. I think you should have mags. Well you
can imagine at a nineteen eleven class where you only
have eight or nine rounds in your mag being bring
a lot of mags. Yeah, I think I'm taking a
dozen magazines.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
But are they the right ones? I mean, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
I guess we will find out, won't wait? Do you
have a do you have a lot of sister, or
your hands are just going to get sore.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
No, just shoving me with my thumb. I've never real man,
that's right. I tried to do it with my teeth.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
What you do is you put all the m in
your mouth and just spit them into the maga.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Back to bb days.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Actually that's what I used to do with bb gun.
As I pour all the bbes into my mouth and
then that little goofy little opening, I would spit them
into the gun. It's gee.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
I wonder why they why we are the way we are.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
I wonder why we have.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
An attorney on line three now saying it's right, we
do not hear that.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
If the class action suit against her daisy because our
guns rushed when you spit into him, I didn't imagine that.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
He didn't lick the lead walls. It was just bebes.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
It's just copper coated bbes. We wouldn't do that with lead.
Those we chew up like sinkers. Right, You bite the
sinkers onto the line, do you get them to hold on?
Speaker 6 (14:07):
There's a little tougher for bird hunting.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
You know. Look, people were tough back then. Yeah, we
didn't live that long. But people were tough. That's okay.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
I think you need some coffee.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
All right, quick break for coffee or sleep? Who knows?
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Speaker 3 (15:01):
Well, I'm back, Oh no, not you got decaffeinated.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
We needed in zo No.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
I like Sheriff Jim Wilson's iety, he says, look, you
should be able to order your coffee in three words or.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Less black if you take cream.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Yeah, black with cream, you know, or less that's right,
or just black that's right. But if you have to
use a lot of words order your coffee, you're getting
the wrong kind of coffee and you're in the wrong pace.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
Really, it's either you just say black or black and
sugar or cream sugar or.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Bright cream sugar sugar. But if it's low foam, soy,
this and cappuccino. What's its frappuccinos? You're going to know.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
Just just know it's like you're at Waffall's smothered covered.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
That's right. And ye and a smack upside the head
too at waffle House to three am. And and that
one they just throw in for free. And that's management,
that's right, that's right. It's nobody tougher than the waitresses
that were waffle House. Let me tell you, I wonder
what the turnover is.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
You worked there, your first overnight shift, Okay, I'm done.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Yeah, right, Well they either make it or they don't.
After that's the first night or two, they go, yeah,
I'm here forever now. I have no gun.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
Sign on the doorses does not apply to employees.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
That's right. If you don't have a gun, we'll issue
one to you for the stage. It's a loaner. You're
gonna need it. I do like the grids they do.
I have eat a lot of meals at waffle House.
I like waffle House because I'm pro grits and I'm
pro grease, So it works out well. So there you go.
(16:48):
As we say, that's a carrier system for grease. Those
the hash Browns.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
You're cardiologists. You keep keep cardiologists employed that way. It's
a job security thing.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Really, yeah, there you So, yeah, we're gonna go go
shoot some stuff. We're actually next week doing the show
live from Gunsight on Jeff Cooper's birthday. Awesome, cool, that'd
be fun.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Yes, that's awesome.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
We're gonna have some gun people who you start for
the industry, come on.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Well, it's interesting how many people today want to build
themselves up by putting him down. Oh yeah, that's all
all technology. Yeah, but before he came along, people were
shooting their handguns one handed police. That's how they trained
all one handed. They figured out, gee, you can shoot
better with two hands on a gun, and that's what
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he started teaching.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
And if you can't, you can still go back to
one hand. You know, their hand is busy doing something else.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Or you know, on the phone or something, doing online
gambling or something.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Or you're holding your your stoke cone on one in
one hand, your you know, ice cream cone. You don't
want to spill it, okay, which makes for a really
messy reload. So I just want to tell.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
You, Yeah, we had a local cop show up at
a suspect had run from a car stopper or whatever
was on the run, and so he was the canine officer.
He decided he was going to respond to the call
with the canine and showed up in crocs drunk. What
let the dog into the house to go after the
guy said, you know if you if I'm gonna let
the dog in, you're gonna get bit if you're in there,
(18:26):
come out now. You didn't, so he just started waving
his gun around in the opening window and stuff.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Yeah, they they terminated him.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Go figure, imagine amazing.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Yeah, interesting story. Well, as we say, there is a
bell curve in every group of people, you know, and
they're not all excellent. You know what do they say
that here? Not everyone is above average?
Speaker 7 (18:49):
It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Oh well yeah, oh my blunder and recovery.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Oh that's true. Yeah. The mL now a gun juggler.
I am a gun juggler.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
I had a horrible, potentially horrible gun moment. But training
actually paid off, and not necessarily training because I don't
practice this.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
But I drop It's training. You had put it into
your head over all these years.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
That's training, right, But I dropped my gun today and
I didn't you know, it's not like I've dropped a
blue gun to practice dropping my gun, but I did drop.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
It and dropped stainless steel one.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
Fifty fifteen, twenty years ago. My natural reaction would have
been to twenty five years ago, would have been to
reach out and try to catch the gun, whether it
was a plate falling, a fork or whatever. But like
knives and scissors and other things, I have learned through
the gun talk prowess that as soon as it started
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to fall, I didn't even make a feeble attempt to
grab it.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Just make sure your toes were out of the way, exactly.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
I took one step back, both feet and I couldn't
tell you which one's first, but they both moved pretty
quick for an old guy, and I dropped hit the
floor and didn't make a huge noise.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
And it's good. Yeah, they pick it up, you go
back to your business. But you know, if you hadn't
put that in your head through all these times we've
talked about it, the natural inclination is to reach out
and grab it as it's falling, and people have shot
themselves doing that.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Yeah, Matthew finger in the trigger guarders would could very
easily end up there and you get specially a little pressure,
a little trigger.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
But I've seen on the movies that guns go off
when you drop them, so you.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Might want to send yours back and have it checked sender.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
This was the fact that I dropped my gun didn't
go off, and everything I read from the experts online.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Said, oh, I know, you talk about old technology and
I feel like there is a lot of pushback for
the longest time, and people picking up revolvers are suggesting
revolver use because we're in this world of semiatos. But
a revolver has a huge purpose in this world still.
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You know those people who can't function with the slide
and can't put all the rounds into the magazine. And
quite honestly, sometimes if you're not going to work on
your skill set, especially with the semiato, a revolver is
a great one to go back to because they don't jam,
they're really easy to clean. I mean, there's just so
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many good things about them, and almost anybody now the
small snubnose thirty eighths, you know, can be Yeah, they
can be a little bit.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Now people can't shoot in double action because they've got
a twelve pound trigger pull, and that could be an issue.
Speaker 8 (21:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I was just going to say, there's lots of options
the you know, different if you just go across the
Ruger platform with the with the Blackhawks, you know that
really it's it's a lighter weight trigger and that's a
perfect gun and a three point fifty seven to be
able to use for.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
But I'm not sure i'd recommend a single action revolver
for that because now you really are talking about a
super lightweight trigger if you got that thing cocked. Yeah,
but they make a lot of really good double action.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I mean, right, but I guess the point being just
the different styles for the grips and everything else. When
you go across their platform, you can get something if
you have the larger hands that set back more, you
can get something that's you know, smaller size altogether getting
into the sp one on one series and stuff. So,
I you know, I just think they still have a
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great place in this world, and they were they were
cut down for a long time.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Well, and when you're talking about old technology, I mean,
try to tell that to our caller who's shot thirty
five deer and turkey with a single shot. Four ten
was that fourteen Maydia Dickenson arms time could be Okay.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
I'm looking at that and yeah, H and R sounds
more like anything else. Yeah, probably an H and R. Yeah,
but yeah, we had the guy called had the five
word seven that was not wouldn't go into there's having problems.
He and his wife were, and he said they went
with that because you couldn't work the slide on a
nine milimeter. And my immediate thought is, well, you now
(23:08):
have a whole generation of nines that are easy to work.
The Smith and Weston equalizer, the shield easy, even the
all the way down to the sig. Was it the
nine thirty eight the little bit? I mean, it's a
I've got I've got one in a three eighty that's
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even easier to run.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
So just look there are option chambers itself.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
It's amazing. That's right. You say load yourself and it does. Okay,
So all right, So I got something I wanted to
talk about. I thought I was gonna talk about the
other regular show, but I've started to track down. I've
got some people working on this in our world, and
it's all about AI, artificial intelligence, and I have been
(23:56):
sniffing around and I'm fairly shure at this point that
the gun ban movement is working to put information into
AI so that when you search about gun accidents or
self defense or whatever, it comes up with their messages.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Well, if they didn't, I would be shocked.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Yes, I agree. And the danger here is people go, yeah,
that's what they do. It's like they shrug it off. No, no, no,
you understand In a very few years that becomes the truth. Yes,
that becomes what everybody knows, because if you search AI,
it's going to come up with what guns are used.
The guns are the number one reason that children die.
(24:40):
Well it's not true, but if they say it over
and over again, if they get it put into AI
with no other you know, information, And so we're going
to be publishing an article and it is written by AI.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
But this is a really interesting article because a fellow
we work with, no he's a fire instructor.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
He uses AI in his work, which is a different
kind of work, and I mean he's really into it.
He's got all these different models and all and he
had it looking into guns and it came back with
the typical guns are primarily used by rural white men,
you know, who are afraid of the government. I mean,
he went through the whole deal, just.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
All that stuff searching the internet, and that's what I found.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
That's where it found exactly. So he said, okay, I
want you to now go in and do a deep dive.
You know, my history. Look everywhere that I go online,
look at who I shoot with, look at the competitions
I do, look at you know, he told it all
the stuff. He says, go ahead and look at that,
and then come back and write an article based on
(25:44):
what you have learned. And AI came back and wrote
an article about all about how it was wrong and
how what it thought was true was not and when
it went in and looked at the gun culture and
people who own guns and what they really use them for.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
I hope he's very interesting.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I hope he saved that because when you go back
to try to find it, it won't be there.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Well, and I asked him, I said, here's the thing,
big question is will that information that it learned to
be part of its overall learning. He said, no, that's
only on the model that exists in my computer. Really, yes,
I did not know that. How do we get it
to the genital to gen pop there, Yeah, I go.
(26:29):
So that's my next step. But that's what I'm working
on currently, is how you talk to the right.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Looks and he's a lot more.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
I'm not even good luck substance awesome, though I've kind
of put that in front of some of the key
people and the gun rights movement of this is something
we need to move to the front burner because you
can get so far behind in two to three years
that it's not fixable right now with the rapid advancement.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Of AI, right, we talk about that all the time.
We're always reactionary, so it would be great to be
on the forefront of this.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
So we'll we publishing that article with some background information
and then like I said, I'm working with basically a
number of the key Second Amendment groups and honestly it
would be The reality is what we really need is
someone to run a project, and we need somebody to
drop one hundred grand onto it so we can do it. Oh, Jeff,
(27:28):
you can't just say, well, we're just going to find
somebody who's going to do this, who's going to do
this in their spare time. You can't do that. Nobody
has spare time.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Right right, Yeah, we just won't get pizza night, Michelle,
Let's do it.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
There you go, we can if you do get piece
and make sure the guy's carrying anyway, I hope. So yeah,
from a neck lanyard, I like this.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Do you suppose if we want to shark tank we
could get somebody to follow?
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Well, what networks? I can see that right. Something tells
me some of those folks wouldn't be really agreeable to
that whole idea, although all although is it.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Kevin O'Leary is one of those guys. He was at
in Ratio, so really he was at one of the
boosts where they're doing gold selling gold, that's one of
his gigs, and there was a huge line of people
lined up to get his autograph.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
That was interesting. Hmmm, well there you go, Golden guns.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
There's enough there's enough people out there in this industry,
especially company wide, that I would think could get behind
something like that. And if we appear first, what then
mm hmmm, because now they're.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
And now the one of the ones he was working
with was Anthropic and their model is called Claude, and
we know already that Anthropic and Claude are really woke,
very left wing with the answers they provide, and Elon
has been calling them out. Of course, he's got rock
(28:58):
his version of AI, which I think is a little
bit behind the others, but moving fast, we'll see. But
he's trying to make it woke. Holy cow, did you
see that came from all the way behind and passed
everybody to win.
Speaker 10 (29:15):
Yep, sand Bat they tested that horse and then yeah,
they were going to test the horse, but they couldn't
catch it.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
It's like Forrest Gump. Funny stuff. That'd be funny name
of horse, horse.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Gump, Forest run run.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
I just kept running.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Life was like a box chocolates. That's right there, you go,
some of the best things.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
All right, Well, next week we will be doing this
live from gun Site, the oldest gun fighting school in
the country.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Amazing.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
You enjoy that nineteen eleven that will never catch out?
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Yeah, I know. It's like, yeah, that's the reason you
carry several of them, because you know they just don't work.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Tom just has to go back to that class because
it's the only place they allow it. Nobody else everybody's like, no,
you need a modern gun.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
He picks up that guy and he raises his voice
too octaves and says.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Feels like home.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
I can't pull it off like she's so cute. She's
so cute. Wasn't that great? I said, you know, nfe
to eleven. She just yeah, it just it feels like home.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
That's awesome, because.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
There's no place like home yours three times. There you go.
You can travel. Wonderful week. Oh yeah we will. We're
gonna have fun going down. We're driving down with some
friends and making a number of stops along the way
and kind to go see Zion and do the you know,
the national work. Beautiful.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
You'll not enjoy that at all.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
No, no, no, you guys have good week.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Good We'll catch you next time for the gun talk
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Speaker 4 (00:45):
Can't say on regular radio. Now here's Tom, Michelle and
Jim for the Gun Talk After Show.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
All right, Jim steps, we're ready to do the show.
But I'm really not so sure about that.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
He might be ready, Huh.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Anybody who's listen to us says, those people just aren't
really ready for pride metaphorically speaking. No, no, no, that's right,
but you're you're gonna record it anyway. So we got
Michelle Cleven, Jim Kinzie. There let's stay after show. Hi, guys,
fun show today we got Jamies Williams and Jack Carr.
But that's fun stuff right there.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
She was so excited.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
She's such a good spokesperson for our industry.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
She though she's just I mean, I hate to even
use the word, but she's bubbly.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
She's very much so she yes, yes.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
It's just like she's a twenty one year old who
has more experience than most.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
I said, Yeah, she's wade to look up her age
because I didn't know.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
I said.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
The tone of her voice, just the timbore of it is,
sounds like she's fourteen years old. Yeah, the content she's
giving sounds like she's forty years old.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
The vocabulary doesn't match. Yeah, the voice.
Speaker 6 (01:53):
No, But I bet you she was sharp when she
was fourteen.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Probably well she was.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
Oh yeah, Well I'm fairly sure. They're homeschooled and they
have really sharp parents, and they grew up quite frankly,
more advanced than a lot of kids their age. How
about that.
Speaker 7 (02:12):
So there's that hey, speaker Tom, Yeah, yeah, speaker of Tom.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Let's grab the other Tom. Actually yet another two today?
We have our own Tom. That's right, in Fargo. Hey, Tom,
thanks for your patients.
Speaker 8 (02:25):
Hey absolutely so Tom. You you have mentioned last week
about a door dasher getting carjacked because he had cash,
and I was going to call in that most most
door dashers, nine of us and I used to do
door dash don't carry cash, just for the reasons you mentioned.
(02:49):
Because suddenly you're a targets and so I was going
to say, I was going to say that, and then
I was going to say, also, I would love to carry,
but I can't. The reason is I go into every
single type. I go into hospital, churches, police station, you
name it. I go into every single place and deliver food.
(03:12):
I would be constantly taking the gun in out, in out.
So I don't even carry gun safe but I am.
But I am very aware of my situational a situation awareness.
Look at always looking, see what people are doing, how
they're doing it. Yeah, yeah, I'm doing that, you know.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
And look let me let me jump in here because
I think maybe I understand what you're saying is that
you don't carry cash, but a carjacker or a robber
may not be aware of that. I remember a cop
one time, I broke it into a car and we
were asking, well, you know, why do they do that?
He says, there's no why. They're crackheads. They don't think
about that stuff. So in this case, it's like you think, well,
(03:53):
everybody knows we don't carry cash. Well no, maybe not.
Maybe they're just crackheads they don't know.
Speaker 8 (03:57):
Point. Yeah, that's real good point. Yes, well we can't
can't get down all the way down to their level,
and so since we're not down there, we don't think.
Well they don't think, so, yeah, we can't think like them.
And because they so, do you not?
Speaker 6 (04:13):
Do you not carry?
Speaker 8 (04:14):
Time?
Speaker 5 (04:15):
No?
Speaker 8 (04:16):
I would sure love to, and I'd love to quit
what I'm doing because my wife and I would both
like to carry. We really would, but we don't. We've
got the handguns to do it. We've got a good
place to train. There's in fact, this summer we're going
to shoot with an sere instructor and he's with the
(04:38):
Air Force and he's the only one licensed in the
state of North Dakota. He's Air Force. He's been certified
since nineteen seventy nine with the Air Force.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Yeah, instructor, they know stuff I have. I took a
class with a seer instructor, but wasn't firearms. It was wiarness,
medicine and survival and it was fascinating.
Speaker 8 (05:00):
That's what this guy does all the time. He and
he has two businesses. But he's also running for US
Congress out of North Dakota right now. He's running for
Congress excellently. But one last thing, So on your and
you said you were doing a shooting on a range
and there was unbeknownst to you, there was another group
came along as you had gone down down to the
(05:22):
down to the end to change your targets and they
started shooting. Now you said they were about thirty forty
yards away, which is still way too close. And is
there a range officer on duty at that range at
that time?
Speaker 5 (05:36):
No, No, this is just a public range where you
go show up and shoot. There's nobody operating it. That
it's an outdoor range. People come and go. You basically
have to look down the line and you all agree, okay,
it's safe, lines cleared, we'll all go down and then
you come back. There's a red flag you could put out,
but I wouldn't trust no life to the red flag either.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
And there's no lanes, no, no, yeah.
Speaker 5 (06:01):
Okay, No, it's just the words. It's one. It's a
half step beyond being a pasture with a berm.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
I was just wondering if there was a way that
they could have seen you, Like, did they not see you?
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Did they not look?
Speaker 5 (06:17):
They didn't see me, didn't look. I mean I was
like right in front of them. Just like imagine if
you were like six or seven lanes over on an
outdoor range, target is over, you're going Yeah, you know,
I didn't have all my bright blaze orange vest, which
probably wouldn't be a bad idea to wear a place
like that, frankly, but you know, and I freely admit
(06:40):
part of it was me. I didn't h I thought
they had seen me, but I didn't consciously say okay, guys,
I'm going to go down. We just all went down
at the same time, and then they came back and
started shooting, just completely unaware that I had walked down
to change targets. When they did.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
Oh okay, I thought they showed up after you had
walked down range.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
No, I may have misstated that, yeah, they were shooting.
I waited until they took a break to go put turists.
We all walked down and then they walked back and
started shooting, and they just missed the fact that there
was somebody else walking down you know, the twenty yards
to their left over there.
Speaker 7 (07:16):
You didn't shoot back, did you tell me? I actually
gave it some thought. I actually gave it. Well, what
I thought was, I'm going to put one over the
top of the shed where they are, just because I mean,
I'm walking down there and I'm shooting a rifle with
the range, but I'm obviously carrying a handgun. And I thought,
how am I going to get these guys attention? Because
(07:38):
they're shooting a lot.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
I said, bang bang bang bang bang bang, bouncing, you know,
bullets off the ground, kicking up dust, and all I thought,
you're probably just you know, listening to one right over
the top of the Now I'm there right ye through
my head very briefly, and I rejected that idea.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
And I you know, sometimes people get so tunnel visioned
and what they're doing driving shooting, you know, they get
excited about coming back and forth and just you know,
carrying on with their training, not paying attention. Perhaps, right, Yeah,
so you can kind of understand it. That doesn't make
it okay, but it doesn't.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
But also I take it back to me. It's like, okay,
I'm not going to put it all.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
On them, right.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
I should have made contact and said, hey, guys, I'm
going to go down here too. They go okay, and
that would have been the end.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Of it, no problem.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
But they didn't look over to their side to see
whether or not you were standing there, or to know
if you went back to your car or were you
down range.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Yeah, we all screwed up on that day, and me unfortunately,
we all came home with that extra holes and yep,
it was okay, But it's one of those I filed
that one away and I want to share it with
people because it's like, how could that possibly happen? Well,
it happened, right now, let the in life. How did
it happen? What can I do differently? I can't change
their behavior, right, I can only change mine.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Right and learn and learn from it.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Do you have a question for our Tom and Fargo there?
Speaker 7 (09:04):
Tom?
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Yeah, because it seems I get that you don't want
to have to take it on and off all the time,
but just having it in the car. Isn't there a
peace of mind that comes with just having the handgun?
Speaker 4 (09:18):
In the car where something.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
Happens on the way too, Yeah to stop.
Speaker 8 (09:22):
Really good point. That is an excellent, excellent point. And
I have just a cubby hole in the middle of
my ole. Shouldn't have said that, but I have a
plate number exactly.
Speaker 6 (09:36):
I think we have that many crackhead listeners.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
I think you're okay, there's probably more than one Tom
and Fargo.
Speaker 8 (09:43):
As long as well, I know there's listener's Air and Fargo.
And I won't say what never mind what is looking
at right now. But yeah, that is a real good
point though.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Yeah, just having something in the car, even if you
don't have it on you, just for a piece of
if somebody comes and, you know, tries to make that
kind of attempt with the car jacking.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
Getting a fender bender on the way from US stop
has nothing to do with the job, right, exactly right.
Speaker 8 (10:09):
I like that idea. Thank you very much for suggesting
that I do. I do like that idea to do that.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
And it can be a little bit difficult getting the
gun in and out of a holster arrow. It's one
of the reasons that when I'm driving I like those
neck lanyards. A pistol onto that needs to take off
that way. Then you just hang it from the rearview mirror.
See were you not in the car.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
It's a really nice piece to show. It's a nice
that's hard.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
It's hard to count change with your finger in the
trigger guard.
Speaker 5 (10:38):
But I think maybe hanging a pistol from the rearview
mirror is considered hunting over bait.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
But you know, they have all kinds of holsters and
accessories that you can get to customize them for travel.
Speaker 6 (10:57):
Lockable gun exactly.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
They have the safe, but the mounts that're bolt under
your desk.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah, so say they have magnetic pieces that you can
put somewhere that hold like twenty thirty pounds.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
So there's lots of options out there.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Of course, that doesn't you know, you have to have
the right kind of gun with metal in the right
places for that to work. But yeah, there's lots of options,
and I would think something is better than nothing.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
If this world is as scary as.
Speaker 8 (11:22):
It seems, that's an excellent idea. I get rid of
all my CDs and put something more of importance in there.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
There you go, ah, oh oh, how about instead of
like a six disc changer, he could have a six
pistol changer.
Speaker 8 (11:41):
I like that so much. Everyone.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Yeah, take care of stay safe.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Yeah, it's entirely possible. I have not had enough caffeine today.
I'm not sure about that.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
A little slap happy. Maybe not enough sleep, but.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
I'm working on that whole trade. Are the copyright or
patent for the six gun? Change your CD thing?
Speaker 4 (12:05):
You need a bond gun?
Speaker 5 (12:08):
A bond gun?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Yeah, you know, just some some some kind of bond
technology in your vehicle out of.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Your Yeah, that's right. Where is Q to design this
thing for?
Speaker 6 (12:19):
Right?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
Even if it just gives you different magazines loaded? Gosh,
I would take that.
Speaker 6 (12:28):
Well, here's gun.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
Oh, let's go.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Here's your next magazine that you can't really put seventeen
rounds of ammunition into.
Speaker 5 (12:38):
That's why you get a twenty one round mags you
put seventeen. I think you should have mags. Well you
can imagine at a nineteen eleven class where you only
have eight or nine rounds in your mag being bring
a lot of mags. Yeah, I think I'm taking a
dozen magazines.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
But are they the right ones? I mean, I'm sorry.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
I guess we will find out, won't wait? Do you
have a do you have a lot of sister, or
your hands are just going to get sore.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
No, just shoving me with my thumb. I've never real man,
that's right. I tried to do it with my teeth.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
What you do is you put all the m in
your mouth and just spit them into the maga.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Back to bb days.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
Actually that's what I used to do with bb gun.
As I pour all the bbes into my mouth and
then that little goofy little opening, I would spit them
into the gun. It's gee.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
I wonder why they why we are the way we are.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
I wonder why we have.
Speaker 6 (13:40):
An attorney on line three now saying it's right, we
do not hear that.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
If the class action suit against her daisy because our
guns rushed when you spit into him, I didn't imagine that.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
He didn't lick the lead walls. It was just bebes.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
It's just copper coated bbes. We wouldn't do that with lead.
Those we chew up like sinkers. Right, You bite the
sinkers onto the line, do you get them to hold on?
Speaker 6 (14:07):
There's a little tougher for bird hunting.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
You know. Look, people were tough back then. Yeah, we
didn't live that long. But people were tough. That's okay.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
I think you need some coffee.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
All right, quick break for coffee or sleep? Who knows?
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Speaker 3 (15:01):
Well, I'm back, Oh no, not you got decaffeinated.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
We needed in zo No.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
I like Sheriff Jim Wilson's iety, he says, look, you
should be able to order your coffee in three words or.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Less black if you take cream.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Yeah, black with cream, you know, or less that's right,
or just black that's right. But if you have to
use a lot of words order your coffee, you're getting
the wrong kind of coffee and you're in the wrong pace.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
Really, it's either you just say black or black and
sugar or cream sugar or.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Bright cream sugar sugar. But if it's low foam, soy,
this and cappuccino. What's its frappuccinos? You're going to know.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
Just just know it's like you're at Waffall's smothered covered.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
That's right. And ye and a smack upside the head
too at waffle House to three am. And and that
one they just throw in for free. And that's management,
that's right, that's right. It's nobody tougher than the waitresses
that were waffle House. Let me tell you, I wonder
what the turnover is.
Speaker 6 (16:11):
You worked there, your first overnight shift, Okay, I'm done.
Speaker 5 (16:14):
Yeah, right, Well they either make it or they don't.
After that's the first night or two, they go, yeah,
I'm here forever now. I have no gun.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
Sign on the doorses does not apply to employees.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
That's right. If you don't have a gun, we'll issue
one to you for the stage. It's a loaner. You're
gonna need it. I do like the grids they do.
I have eat a lot of meals at waffle House.
I like waffle House because I'm pro grits and I'm
pro grease, So it works out well. So there you go.
(16:48):
As we say, that's a carrier system for grease. Those
the hash Browns.
Speaker 6 (16:54):
You're cardiologists. You keep keep cardiologists employed that way. It's
a job security thing.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Really, yeah, there you So, yeah, we're gonna go go
shoot some stuff. We're actually next week doing the show
live from Gunsight on Jeff Cooper's birthday. Awesome, cool, that'd
be fun.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Yes, that's awesome.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
We're gonna have some gun people who you start for
the industry, come on.
Speaker 5 (17:21):
Well, it's interesting how many people today want to build
themselves up by putting him down. Oh yeah, that's all
all technology. Yeah, but before he came along, people were
shooting their handguns one handed police. That's how they trained
all one handed. They figured out, gee, you can shoot
better with two hands on a gun, and that's what
(17:43):
he started teaching.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
And if you can't, you can still go back to
one hand. You know, their hand is busy doing something else.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Or you know, on the phone or something, doing online
gambling or something.
Speaker 5 (17:55):
Or you're holding your your stoke cone on one in
one hand, your you know, ice cream cone. You don't
want to spill it, okay, which makes for a really
messy reload. So I just want to tell.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
You, Yeah, we had a local cop show up at
a suspect had run from a car stopper or whatever
was on the run, and so he was the canine officer.
He decided he was going to respond to the call
with the canine and showed up in crocs drunk. What
let the dog into the house to go after the
guy said, you know if you if I'm gonna let
the dog in, you're gonna get bit if you're in there,
(18:26):
come out now. You didn't, so he just started waving
his gun around in the opening window and stuff.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
Yeah, they they terminated him.
Speaker 6 (18:33):
Go figure, imagine amazing.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Yeah, interesting story. Well, as we say, there is a
bell curve in every group of people, you know, and
they're not all excellent. You know what do they say
that here? Not everyone is above average?
Speaker 7 (18:49):
It doesn't work that way.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Oh well yeah, oh my blunder and recovery.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Oh that's true. Yeah. The mL now a gun juggler.
I am a gun juggler.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
I had a horrible, potentially horrible gun moment. But training
actually paid off, and not necessarily training because I don't
practice this.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
But I drop It's training. You had put it into
your head over all these years.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
That's training, right, But I dropped my gun today and
I didn't you know, it's not like I've dropped a
blue gun to practice dropping my gun, but I did drop.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
It and dropped stainless steel one.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
Fifty fifteen, twenty years ago. My natural reaction would have
been to twenty five years ago, would have been to
reach out and try to catch the gun, whether it
was a plate falling, a fork or whatever. But like
knives and scissors and other things, I have learned through
the gun talk prowess that as soon as it started
(19:50):
to fall, I didn't even make a feeble attempt to
grab it.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
Just make sure your toes were out of the way, exactly.
Speaker 5 (19:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
I took one step back, both feet and I couldn't
tell you which one's first, but they both moved pretty
quick for an old guy, and I dropped hit the
floor and didn't make a huge noise.
Speaker 5 (20:04):
And it's good. Yeah, they pick it up, you go
back to your business. But you know, if you hadn't
put that in your head through all these times we've
talked about it, the natural inclination is to reach out
and grab it as it's falling, and people have shot
themselves doing that.
Speaker 6 (20:18):
Yeah, Matthew finger in the trigger guarders would could very
easily end up there and you get specially a little pressure,
a little trigger.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
But I've seen on the movies that guns go off
when you drop them, so you.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Might want to send yours back and have it checked sender.
Speaker 6 (20:35):
This was the fact that I dropped my gun didn't
go off, and everything I read from the experts online.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Said, oh, I know, you talk about old technology and
I feel like there is a lot of pushback for
the longest time, and people picking up revolvers are suggesting
revolver use because we're in this world of semiatos. But
a revolver has a huge purpose in this world still.
(21:03):
You know those people who can't function with the slide
and can't put all the rounds into the magazine. And
quite honestly, sometimes if you're not going to work on
your skill set, especially with the semiato, a revolver is
a great one to go back to because they don't jam,
they're really easy to clean. I mean, there's just so
(21:23):
many good things about them, and almost anybody now the
small snubnose thirty eighths, you know, can be Yeah, they
can be a little bit.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
Now people can't shoot in double action because they've got
a twelve pound trigger pull, and that could be an issue.
Speaker 8 (21:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I was just going to say, there's lots of options
the you know, different if you just go across the
Ruger platform with the with the Blackhawks, you know that
really it's it's a lighter weight trigger and that's a
perfect gun and a three point fifty seven to be
able to use for.
Speaker 5 (21:56):
But I'm not sure i'd recommend a single action revolver
for that because now you really are talking about a
super lightweight trigger if you got that thing cocked. Yeah,
but they make a lot of really good double action.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I mean, right, but I guess the point being just
the different styles for the grips and everything else. When
you go across their platform, you can get something if
you have the larger hands that set back more, you
can get something that's you know, smaller size altogether getting
into the sp one on one series and stuff. So,
I you know, I just think they still have a
(22:28):
great place in this world, and they were they were
cut down for a long time.
Speaker 6 (22:33):
Well, and when you're talking about old technology, I mean,
try to tell that to our caller who's shot thirty
five deer and turkey with a single shot. Four ten
was that fourteen Maydia Dickenson arms time could be Okay.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
I'm looking at that and yeah, H and R sounds
more like anything else. Yeah, probably an H and R. Yeah,
but yeah, we had the guy called had the five
word seven that was not wouldn't go into there's having problems.
He and his wife were, and he said they went
with that because you couldn't work the slide on a
nine milimeter. And my immediate thought is, well, you now
(23:08):
have a whole generation of nines that are easy to work.
The Smith and Weston equalizer, the shield easy, even the
all the way down to the sig. Was it the
nine thirty eight the little bit? I mean, it's a
I've got I've got one in a three eighty that's
(23:29):
even easier to run.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
So just look there are option chambers itself.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
It's amazing. That's right. You say load yourself and it does. Okay,
So all right, So I got something I wanted to
talk about. I thought I was gonna talk about the
other regular show, but I've started to track down. I've
got some people working on this in our world, and
it's all about AI, artificial intelligence, and I have been
(23:56):
sniffing around and I'm fairly shure at this point that
the gun ban movement is working to put information into
AI so that when you search about gun accidents or
self defense or whatever, it comes up with their messages.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Well, if they didn't, I would be shocked.
Speaker 5 (24:18):
Yes, I agree. And the danger here is people go, yeah,
that's what they do. It's like they shrug it off. No, no, no,
you understand In a very few years that becomes the truth. Yes,
that becomes what everybody knows, because if you search AI,
it's going to come up with what guns are used.
The guns are the number one reason that children die.
(24:40):
Well it's not true, but if they say it over
and over again, if they get it put into AI
with no other you know, information, And so we're going
to be publishing an article and it is written by AI.
Speaker 7 (24:54):
But this is a really interesting article because a fellow
we work with, no he's a fire instructor.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
He uses AI in his work, which is a different
kind of work, and I mean he's really into it.
He's got all these different models and all and he
had it looking into guns and it came back with
the typical guns are primarily used by rural white men,
you know, who are afraid of the government. I mean,
he went through the whole deal, just.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
All that stuff searching the internet, and that's what I found.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
That's where it found exactly. So he said, okay, I
want you to now go in and do a deep dive.
You know, my history. Look everywhere that I go online,
look at who I shoot with, look at the competitions
I do, look at you know, he told it all
the stuff. He says, go ahead and look at that,
and then come back and write an article based on
(25:44):
what you have learned. And AI came back and wrote
an article about all about how it was wrong and
how what it thought was true was not and when
it went in and looked at the gun culture and
people who own guns and what they really use them for.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
I hope he's very interesting.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
I hope he saved that because when you go back
to try to find it, it won't be there.
Speaker 5 (26:07):
Well, and I asked him, I said, here's the thing,
big question is will that information that it learned to
be part of its overall learning. He said, no, that's
only on the model that exists in my computer. Really, yes,
I did not know that. How do we get it
to the genital to gen pop there, Yeah, I go.
(26:29):
So that's my next step. But that's what I'm working
on currently, is how you talk to the right.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
Looks and he's a lot more.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
I'm not even good luck substance awesome, though I've kind
of put that in front of some of the key
people and the gun rights movement of this is something
we need to move to the front burner because you
can get so far behind in two to three years
that it's not fixable right now with the rapid advancement.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Of AI, right, we talk about that all the time.
We're always reactionary, so it would be great to be
on the forefront of this.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
So we'll we publishing that article with some background information
and then like I said, I'm working with basically a
number of the key Second Amendment groups and honestly it
would be The reality is what we really need is
someone to run a project, and we need somebody to
drop one hundred grand onto it so we can do it. Oh, Jeff,
(27:28):
you can't just say, well, we're just going to find
somebody who's going to do this, who's going to do
this in their spare time. You can't do that. Nobody
has spare time.
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Right right, Yeah, we just won't get pizza night, Michelle,
Let's do it.
Speaker 5 (27:38):
There you go, we can if you do get piece
and make sure the guy's carrying anyway, I hope. So yeah,
from a neck lanyard, I like this.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Do you suppose if we want to shark tank we
could get somebody to follow?
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Well, what networks? I can see that right. Something tells
me some of those folks wouldn't be really agreeable to
that whole idea, although all although is it.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Kevin O'Leary is one of those guys. He was at
in Ratio, so really he was at one of the
boosts where they're doing gold selling gold, that's one of
his gigs, and there was a huge line of people
lined up to get his autograph.
Speaker 5 (28:18):
That was interesting. Hmmm, well there you go, Golden guns.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
There's enough there's enough people out there in this industry,
especially company wide, that I would think could get behind
something like that. And if we appear first, what then
mm hmmm, because now they're.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
And now the one of the ones he was working
with was Anthropic and their model is called Claude, and
we know already that Anthropic and Claude are really woke,
very left wing with the answers they provide, and Elon
has been calling them out. Of course, he's got rock
(28:58):
his version of AI, which I think is a little
bit behind the others, but moving fast, we'll see. But
he's trying to make it woke. Holy cow, did you
see that came from all the way behind and passed
everybody to win.
Speaker 10 (29:15):
Yep, sand Bat they tested that horse and then yeah,
they were going to test the horse, but they couldn't
catch it.
Speaker 5 (29:30):
It's like Forrest Gump. Funny stuff. That'd be funny name
of horse, horse.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Gump, Forest run run.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
I just kept running.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Life was like a box chocolates. That's right there, you go,
some of the best things.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
All right, Well, next week we will be doing this
live from gun Site, the oldest gun fighting school in
the country.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Amazing.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
You enjoy that nineteen eleven that will never catch out?
Speaker 5 (30:00):
Yeah, I know. It's like, yeah, that's the reason you
carry several of them, because you know they just don't work.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Tom just has to go back to that class because
it's the only place they allow it. Nobody else everybody's like, no,
you need a modern gun.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
He picks up that guy and he raises his voice
too octaves and says.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
Feels like home.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
I can't pull it off like she's so cute. She's
so cute. Wasn't that great? I said, you know, nfe
to eleven. She just yeah, it just it feels like home.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
That's awesome, because.
Speaker 5 (30:27):
There's no place like home yours three times. There you go.
You can travel. Wonderful week. Oh yeah we will. We're
gonna have fun going down. We're driving down with some
friends and making a number of stops along the way
and kind to go see Zion and do the you know,
the national work. Beautiful.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
You'll not enjoy that at all.
Speaker 5 (30:47):
No, no, no, you guys have good week.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Good We'll catch you next time for the gun talk
after show.
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