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-- Crisis actor David Hogg, who parlayed his experience while a student at the Parkland school shooting to a Harvard scholarship, celebrity gun ban advocate, and vice chair of the Democratic party, now faces pushback from the party because of his attacks on fellow Dems. Lee Williams details the twists and turns of this gun banner virtue signaler.
-- Did the ATF illegally fake evidence to put a man in prison over gun charges? The facts are now coming out.
-- Yes, you can buy a Gatling gun!
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-- Crisis actor David Hogg, who parlayed his experience while a student at the Parkland school shooting to a Harvard scholarship, celebrity gun ban advocate, and vice chair of the Democratic party, now faces pushback from the party because of his attacks on fellow Dems. Lee Williams details the twists and turns of this gun banner virtue signaler.
-- Did the ATF illegally fake evidence to put a man in prison over gun charges? The facts are now coming out.
-- Yes, you can buy a Gatling gun!
Gun Talk 05.04.25 Hour 1
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
He was the first and he's still the best. For
thirty years, Tom Gresham has been your trusted source on
all things ballistic, new guns, Second Amendment, personal protection, deep
part of it, Paul, Tom Talk Gun. Now, here's Tom.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
All right, I'm with you. This is Tom Gresham, And yes,
I may be part of the media, but I'm not
part of that media. This is gun Talk where we
get together to talk about well guess what, guns and
AMMO and shooting and optics and yeah, we'll talk politics
of course. And today we're going to tackle another subject
that really has people riled up on the internet, specifically
(00:56):
the six hour p three twenty pistol. Holy cow, you
just mentioned that online and people just blow up. They're
going crazy. You know, it's trash, It's wonderful. I love
my end. I'll never carry one. Yeah, okay, fine, good,
We're going to talk about all of that. We're going
to get into a whole bunch of different things today.
But of course, as always, if you'd like to be
a part of it, give me a call. We can
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talk about well, frankly, whatever you want to talk about.
The number here is pretty easy to remember. It's eight
six six blah blah. Who knows. I don't know what
it's anymore. It's just Tom Talk gun. That's all it is.
To call me a Tom Talk gun and we shall
get you on. And of course we're always looking for
(01:38):
range reports. What's a range report? Well, that's really it's
in the experience you had. You went to a gun store,
you had something, an interesting conversation, you went to the range,
you took somebody with you, and you went shooting. You
have a gun. You want to tell me about a
new gun. You have an old gun, you have a
great gun, you have the gun your grandpappy left you.
(02:00):
It doesn't matter. We're just swapping stories here. And I
actually have a couple of range reports to share with
you this week because last week we were at the
Terrasy Annual meetings in Atlanta and after that, and that
was a great show, by the way, my heavens, we
had twelve guests on. After that, I went down to Florida,
stayed with a buddy for a few days and we
(02:21):
shot some of his guns and I was able to do,
if I do say so myself, a superlative job at
enabling him to buy guns. I have a little bit
more about that as we go along, But first up,
there are a couple of stories we need to talk about,
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and the person we need to talk with them about
with him is Lee Williams joined us right now. He's
called the gun writer. Lee.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Welcome, Thank you. I appreciate the invite.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Absolutely so, all right, let's start off with the one
that I don't know. I have a perverse sense of
humor and it just makes me laugh. David Hogg, the
virtue signer, the crisis actor, the survivor of the Parkland shooting.
Yeah yeah, yeah, I got himself our scholarship to Harvard
off All, that made a bunch of money with his
(03:15):
anti gun stuff. And then incredibly, the Democratic National Committee
elects him as vice chair. This guy, young guy, know
nothing guy, and they're going to put him in charge
of the Democratic Party, or Eastern part of it. And
that's lasted what about three months now, and it is
all unraveling. Pick it up from there, please.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Well, certainly Hogg is one of five vice chairs of
the Democratic National Committee, although he likes to say he
is the vice chair. Basically, contrary to the DMC rules,
Hog pushed for candidates whom he personally approved of, which
forced his boss at the DMC chair, Ken Martin, to
take action. In a media call last week, Martin said,
(04:00):
I quote, let me be unequivocal. No DNC officers should
ever attend to influence of primary election, whether on behalf
of an incumbent or a challenger. Voters should. Voters should
decide who our primary nominees are, not the NC leadership.
Our role is to serve as stewards of a fair,
open and trusted process, not to tilt scales. Martin said
(04:21):
that Hogg quote again, can't be both the referee and
also the player at the same time.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
So yeah, let me explain what he did. David Hogg
goes in and this guy is like twelve years old,
I mean, okay, he's twenty five. Okay, so he's twenty five,
and he announces that, Okay, he's helping to lead the
Democratic Party and he is going to kick out incumbents,
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Democrat incumbents by primarying them because he's saying that they
are too old. He wants younger Democrats elect, and so
he's going to kick out the established people who are
already there, which clearly is not going to make the
established people very happy.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
No, absolutely not. And he's not being quiet about her either.
Last week he appeared on dearly every single cable news
outlet telling folks that the DNC and the Democrats themselves
need a reset. But nobody, nobody from the DNC are
saying what they're going to do or what they intend
(05:29):
to do. The Hog, who again is only twenty five
years old. I mean, he's got other problems too. His
election as a DNC to the DNC is being contested,
where as a Native American activist, longtime dem who filed
a complaint after she lost the Hog arguing that she
lost a quote fatally flawed election that violated the KEYNC charter.
(05:50):
Then late March, his original charity, March for Our Lives,
which he co founded, announced they're laying off thirteen of
sixteen four time staffers because it's running into money issues.
So I think we're going well for David.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Are they running into money issues? Because those found the
US AID pipeline, the back Channel pipeline, where they took
the money out of our pockets, sent to USAID, and
then they back channel it back to the gun control groups.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
That is what everybody I know believes. They have not
said that one hundred percent, but I got to think
that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
So if the Democrats, Okay, this is just me now,
if the Democrats are the party of David Hog and AOC,
there is not enough popcorn in the world to make
me happy just to watch this thing go down.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
I know, I know, I hope it drags out for years.
Yet last week hit the veteran strategist James Carville called
him a twert As. For a response, Hogg said that Carbell,
who you remember worked for Bill Clinton, hadn't won an
election since before he was born.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Oh good, I love it. Just let these guys, let
these guys do each other in Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
I mean, Hog has the supporters Roe Conna in California
very strong, saving Hogg is doing incredible work. Hog told
Newsweek last week that he plans to keep fighting for
the Democratic Party even if they boot him out from
this position.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
All right, that's all fun for us to watch. But
there's a more serious story that you've been covering and
actually you have been making a change in things. And
I do want to pick up on this because this
is a I don't even know exactly how to chara
characterize it other than corruption at the highest levels in
terms of faking evidence and putting an innocent man in
(07:47):
jail from their lead. This is your story, man, and
congratulations on picking this up and running with it.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Take it please, thank you. The man's name is Patrick
Tate Adomiak. Right now, if the government had messed with him,
he'd be leading a seal platoon in the Navy. However,
instead he's starting his third year of his twenty years sentence. Tom,
you know the atf federal prosecutors and what's left of
Biden's sick offense in the federal government wants you to
(08:14):
believe that their case against him, a Navy sailor, was
complex and confusing, involving all these convoluted weapons systems and
rare gun parts that nobody can really understand. That they
say is why he was found guilty and sentence in
twenty years in the federal prison. But brother, that is
pure bunk. I've gone through the entire list of guns
(08:35):
and gun parts that were found after they raided his home.
Not a single one tom, not a single gun part
was illegal for him to possess. Some of the items
were actually used as evidence against him. Are laughable, man.
I mean they said he was he had a machine
gun when it was a toy submachine gun. They said
he had two RPGs that were you know, grenade taple
(08:57):
fired gir names. We got a picture of one there
there's a whole board in it right where your head goes.
These were stuff he bought it basically some kind of
garage sale in California one hundred years ago. And if
you really look at the RPGs, and he would be
out right now if they hadn't nailed him on the RPGs.
Gunbroker dot com offers the very same thing too, inert
(09:18):
rockets for one hundred and twenty bucks, non firing RPG
seven replica for three ninety five, RPG two rocket launcher
for twelve hundred. I mean the guy that the guy
who put him in prison is atf Firearms Enforcement officer
Jeffrey Brodell. He tested these guns and said, oh, they're
(09:39):
all sub machine guns. He had several. He had about
seven open boat semi autos. They fired from an open bolt. However,
they're classified very sought after handguns. I mean, you're gonna
pay three to five thousand dollars for these things. And
he and Jeffrey Bodell said they're all machine guns, even
(09:59):
though he couldn't get an other than semi automatic fire.
This is why we're person we're pushing hard for presidential part.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Because and you've been making some headway with this. All
of a sudden you've gotten the attention of some members
of Congress on this. Where do we go from here?
How do we get this guy out of prison.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
It's going to take somebody from Congress. It's going to
take a presidential pardon. Now, everybody feels good that President
Trump got elected. However, he is busier than hell. I mean,
the guy's working seventy hour days, damn near right, right,
But he's the only one that can get him out
or we can wait for his appeal. But brother, that
could take, I mean take did nothing wrong. He had
(10:41):
a private website where he was incredibly scrupulous about what
he sold and what he didn't sell.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
You cover the lot, You've covered a lot of stuff
in your time as a journalist. Would it be stretching
things too far to say that what the ATF did
on this was totally corrupt.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
It was corrupt. They kicked down his door because they
talked to a stupid confidential informant who even even even
said that, you know those RPGs, they blow your head up,
they're not real. They paid the AHF pay to eight
grand for his participation in the case. They kicked his door,
and then everything they find is legal one percent.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
All right, Look, we're going to be we're out of time.
If people want to know what's going on, they want
to hear this whole story, where can they read your work?
Where can they catch up on this?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
They can go to my website, Thegunwriter dot subsect dot
com or saf is a Second Amendment Foundation dot org.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Well, Lee Williams, congratulations on breaking the story and please
keep pursuing it because this guy needs the advocates out there,
and you are the leader right now.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Thank you, Tom. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
All right, you take care. All right, we are open
lines now eight six six Talk Gun and Tom Talk Gun.
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Speaker 9 (14:12):
Hi, I'm Blake Migez, former world champion shooter and a
senator who authored constitutional carry legislation in Louisiana. I want
you to congratulate Tom on hitting thirty years on the air.
Like my shot placement, gun Talk has been a consistent
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Speaker 3 (14:32):
Byzar is fun. You don't get a lot of politicians
who are also world class shooters like Blake meguz Is
so as we say, I had some fun this week.
Went over to my Buddy's house in Florida, Central Florida,
and he's got a shooting range behind the house, and
he says, well, have a shot at eight six. No,
(14:54):
I've read about it, but I've never shot one. He said, well,
I got one. Actually's got two, the eight six eight
point six Blackout. I have come to believe that this
is the cartridge the three hundred blackout should have been,
because the three hundred blackout, while interesting, leaves a lot
to be desired. It's just not much oomph there, but
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it's quiet. Is so the eight point six comes from
the same people that did the three hundred blackout, Kevin Bridingham,
who is a lightning rod. He is controversial and people
have varying opinions about him. But the six and eight
point six cartridge is a three thirty eight cartridge. It
is a three thirty eight bullet diameter, same as the
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three thirty eight win mag same as the three thirty
eight Lapua, but the cartridge is smaller. Comes off of
the sixty five creed more so you can imagine it's
quite a bit smaller, and it's shorter because they put
really really long bullets in it. You're looking at up
to three hundred grain three thirty eight bullets in a
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short cartridge, So the cartridge case itself has to be
shorter if you've got to get the whole thing into
a rifle that takes three or eight and it's chambered
in AR ten semi auto. Actually it's in some fall
autos as well. And the Q Firearms Company that's just Q.
(16:23):
I think James Bond in his quarterbaster. Q. They also
make a rifle they call the Fix that's what I shot,
which is a bullet action rifle, very lightweight, like five
pounds four ounces, and then with a can on it
and it's really quiet. The secret sauce of the whole
thing is the twist rate of the barrel. And I
(16:47):
know we're getting kind of geeky here, but it makes
a lot of sense to's hanging in there with me.
The longer the bullet, the more you got to spin
it to make it stabilize. And this is a really
long bullet. So typically a lot of like forty five seventies,
you may be looking at a one in sixteen twist rate,
and a lot of standard rifles one in ten. That
means you get one revolution of the bullet as it
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goes down the barrel. It takes ten inches of barrel
length to get one revolution. And then the fast twist
are one in seven, one and eight, maybe one and nine.
This is a one in three. You get a full
revolution of the bullet in only three inches of travel
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down the barrel. So the RPM, the twist rate is
incredibly high. Well, that does two or maybe three things.
It certainly stabilizes this long bullet. You really got to
spin it up to get it to stabilize. But the
other thing it does, and this is lost I think
on a lot of people, is this incredibly high twist rate.
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You can imagine this super high RPM actually puts a
lot of centrifical force on the bullet. And when you
shoot something with it, think pig for instance, wild hog,
the bullet tends to spin itself apart, or at least
it helps with the expansion. So you may not have
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a lot of forward velocity because people say, well, what's
the velocity, Well, if it's subsonic, it must, by the
laws of physics be traveling it under third or eleven
hundred feet per second at sea level, because faster than
that you breaking the sound barrier. And it's no longer subsonic.
So that's the limit. You've got a hard ceiling here
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of eleven hundred feet per second. So how do you
get more energy down range? If you can't increase the velocity.
Will you go with the heavier bullet, and you go
with a really long bullet that has a high ballistic
coefficient that retains its velocity more downrange. And to make
it more effective, let's crank up the twist rate incredibly,
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so the bullet expands. The problem with lower bullets, they
don't have enough forward velocity, enough energy to make bullets
expand when they hit a critter. So the eight point six.
It's not an industry standard yet, Sammy. The Sporting Arms
(19:24):
and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute SAAMI has not adopted it as
an official cartridge yet. I think it will probably happen.
Having said all that, there are people making guns for
it now, pistols and short barrels, SBRs and rifles. People
(19:47):
are loading ammunition for it now. So you can buy
a rifle, you can buy the ammo, and you can
start shooting it. Today. It becomes this is a kind
of arbitrary call it an effective three hundred yard cartridge
maybe three point fifty. You get a lot of drop
(20:09):
out there, but drop is not that important as long
as you've got some energy going. And they do have
it in supersonical oads, so it's not always subsonic. So
what was it like to shoot it? Well, I shot
it in the queue. That's the bolt action version, like
I said, a five point four or a five pounds
four ounce rifle with a can on it. Of course,
(20:31):
I found the recoil to be very mild, not a
lot of recoil. I shot two rounds off the bench,
shooting it steal at about one hundred and ten yards.
It's like easy, I mean, like stupid easy. You know,
it's like pick bang, pick bang. Okay, that's done. I
could keep doing that, but that's a board now. So
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it stood up. Said okay, let's just try and shoot
it off hand. It's one hundred yards on steel target.
You know, I'm not that great an off hand shot,
but what the heck? Shot five rounds out of it
off hand, hit steel all five times. It was easy.
Lightweight rifle. You got the can on the front, so
you got some stabilization out there if you will, a
(21:17):
little bit of weight out there. I just thought it
was delightful. And oh, by the way, this is a
very nice rifle, smooth bolt, good trigger. I had never
shot one before. I was impressed. So it's like, okay,
I don't have any connection to the company, don't know
anybody there. They don't know me. She shooting a buddy's rifle.
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And then as we were having Mexican food that afternoon
after we shot it, I talked him into we'd been
to the gun store. He bought a Daniel defense ar pistol.
I talked to him into going back and buying the
nine milimeter Gatling gun that takes clock mags. We put
that in the back seat of his If three fifty
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you drove it home. What who? This thing is like
a work of art. It's going to sit inside and
be a statue or something, a display piece, and then
you can roll it out and shoot it in the backyard.
Gatling guns for everyone.
Speaker 10 (22:15):
That's how I roll.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
All right? Good? Yeah? Number here is eight sixty six
Talk gun or tom Talk gun. One last thing here,
I noticed that they have like I think one or
two slots left. Should you want to jump into it,
we're offering the diagnostic Pistol Instructor class that range Ready
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fact that they put instructor in there, because it makes
a thing makes you think you're going to learn to
be an instructor. That's sort of not quite what it is.
It's called Diagnostic Pistol Instructor, and I would just call
it diagnostic pistol. It is more advanced class. This is
not for beginners, but if you want to become a
much better shooter, you want to be able to diagnose
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yourself what's going on, which will help you diagnose other people.
If you're teaching people to shoot, or you're an aspiring
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But just frankly, if you simply want to be a
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be taught I guess Thursday, Friday of this coming week
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a look at that and possibly sign up for that. Alright,
let's go to the phones days with us out of Billings, Montana. Dave,
thank you for your patients. You have a range report
for us.
Speaker 11 (23:53):
Yes, for a small story on how I got this
handgun here to give you a range report. Having a
great store was having a great special on suppressor where
they paid the tax, and I went to the store,
picked up a suppressor, sure enough, and then unfortunately, well fortunately,
walked by the gun counter and oh, I happened to
see a block thirty one Gen four sitting there. I
(24:17):
used one I generally don't buy used, but I wanted
to take a look at it. And I'm telling you,
this thing is mint. It's like maybe maybe two mags
fired to it. So I pick that up and I've
never had a three fifty seven sig before. Of course,
challenge was finding the ammal to go with it, but
found some a little bit later on. Took it to
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the old backcountry Montana range where I was clinking popcns
the old school style, and I'm not kidding. I was
consistently hitting popcns at seventy five yards and just a
smooth shooting handgun. And it has now turned into my
Harry piece with my chest rig for my motorcycle adventures
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and rafting adventures, and I actually threatened to take it
out in the back country. I take a ten mil
for bears, but I'll tell you that three fifty seven
sig will make it think twice. I don't necessarily want
to go against the grizzly, but it'll certainly make it
think twice with that velocity. So I'll keep the ten
mil for the grizz But I really enjoy this new
(25:22):
carry thief.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
All right, Dave, give us an idea for those who
haven't shot a three fifty seven sig. Let me explain
that is a cartridge at three fifty seven sig designed
for semi autumn pistols. But if you shot at nine,
and what's it like or what's the difference between shooting
and nine and shooting this cartridge?
Speaker 11 (25:43):
To me, I always find a nine, and I've got
several nine milimeters different different makers. I always find a
nine a little snappy, and for whatever reason, to me
and everybody's different, right, the three fifty seven sig is
just it's more smooth with the cycling of it. I
know it's harder, it's a little it's a little more powerful,
(26:06):
But to me, it just feels like it's just smoother,
and it doesn't. It doesn't snap up and down quite
as much. To me, that's my feeling on it. I
shoot a lot of forty five. That's my favorite round,
that's the Lord's caliber. But I'm really liking the feel
of the three fifty seven. It feels more power to
it than the nine and I don't know. To me,
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I just it feels great.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
So see, I thought you were going to go the
other way. I thought you were going to say the
three fifty seven sig was more snappy than the nine.
You really surprised me by going the other way.
Speaker 11 (26:40):
I don't know what it is. Maybe it's because it's
the full size thirty one block thirty one. I don't know.
But the weight is fantastic and it just feels great,
and I don't get that that kind of snappy buck shot,
you know, up in the air with that, I do
off the nine mills and the three.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Fifty seven cig. The idea was to put the power
of a three fifty have a magnum revolver cartridge in
a semi auto. It doesn't quite get to that. It's
just a little bit below, but it's not very much
and it's definitely more power than a nine. So are
you having any trouble or how is it to find AMMO?
Speaker 11 (27:16):
Difficult to find AMMO carry Amo isn't too hard. But
you know, if you want to go plinking with fmj's,
that's difficult to find. So I got an online order
and I got some coming in and I have found some.
But I am loaded up nicely with CARRYAMO, so I'm
in good shape for that. It's just taking it out
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to plank. I'm a little short right now.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Right there you go. Hey, that is a good range report.
We appreciate that. Dave, tell you what I got. Luke
on the line, and look, if you would just hold
on a second. Here, I gott getting this break in
now and that will give you full time on the
backside of this to give your range report. And you
know what, if you're listening and you've been out to
the range, you've been shooting something interesting or even something old,
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old and boring. If doesn't matter, if you had fun
with it, let's talk about it. Give me a call.
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to have in a fight.
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Looks with us out of Syracuse, New York. Luke what
you got there? Man?
Speaker 11 (30:36):
Good everything?
Speaker 14 (30:36):
Tom. I got an email, oh last about a year ago,
and they said, hey, we're looking for anybody that wants
to semit an ar for a little bit of work
from some crazy folks down in Louisiana, and so okay.
I took some pictures and I sent it in and
(30:58):
they decided that mine would be a good candidate. Uh.
Moved moved to upstate New York, and they had to
make my rifle, a New York compliant rifle.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Okay, so this is the Billbox guys down this. This
is a part of the Gun Talk crew for the
Billbox Show.
Speaker 14 (31:17):
Yep, Brian and kJ and Chris. They got to enjoy
the pleasures of the challenges that we get to work
with on Billbox. And I tell you, they did an
awesome job.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
So what did they do to your gun?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
So?
Speaker 14 (31:34):
I had a Ruder s R five five six, and
they customized it quite a bit. They changed out some
of the barrel and everything like that. They put a
custom paint job in like blue and yellow, which you
would think wouldn't go together, but they really do. It
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looks awesome. It looks like a distressed kind of a
finish on it, and it's it's just amazing. It's a
smooth shooter. It looks awesome. It's super custom, which I've
never had a custom gun before. And holy smokes, I
couldn't have been I couldn't have done it better if
(32:14):
I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Had they showed it to any of your friends, what
kind of reaction are you getting.
Speaker 14 (32:21):
Yes, I have shown it to a bunch of my friends.
My my kids both love it. They're like that's so cool, dadda,
I'm a cool dad for at least for at least
a few minutes anyway. And uh, I had some colleagues
at work that saw the episode air on TV and
(32:42):
they called me up. They goes this to you, and
I said, yeah, that's me, and they said, that's so
cool and I've shown fun.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
So how's it shoot?
Speaker 14 (32:52):
She's great? Wow, but it's great. It's a straight shooter,
and man, I mean it's it shoots better than I can, well.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Most gunshot better than I can. So yeah, that's I
understand that. Well. Good, I'm glad you had fun with that.
Speaker 14 (33:11):
Yeah, it was certainly a great experience. And I've done
a couple of things with gun Talk media team in
the past and they always do just such a great job.
You've really done a good job of creating a great legacy,
even from your dad down to you, and I'm sure
down to Ryan as well.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
So well, I appreciate that. I got a question, did
they have to do something about your magazine capacity in
New York?
Speaker 14 (33:35):
They sure did. They They put in a thirty round magazine,
but it's special so it's capped it to ten. And
they also gave me like a quick takedown release, so
you pinch these two levers and the top opens up
so you can load one round at a time.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Ah yeah, okay, well it's just what you got to
put up with, at least for now. Maybe at some
point we're got some of that stuffer removed.
Speaker 14 (34:04):
Hopefully, fingers crossed. We're trying. We're trying.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
There you go where we got a new DOJ and
they're doing some really interesting stuff. So hang loose that
you ever know. Hey, thank you for the range report.
That is great. Look and congrats on that cool gun.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
You bet fun stuff. I did something with my buddy
when we were out shooting at his range. I showed
him the deal. I've talked about it on the show
here before, but somebody on line was just they brought
it up again and nobody knew what he was talking about.
Nobody knew what it was for. And I thought, you know,
I've been talking about this for years now, but let's
(34:42):
talk about it again. And this is the deal of
taking your striker fired pistol it doesn't have a hammer
and shooting it one handed. You could do it two handed,
but one handed is fun. And putting your thumb behind
the slide, pressing your thumb on the rear of the
(35:03):
slide of the gun while you shoot. Okay, first of all,
let's get this out of the way. No, the slide's
not gonna come back and rip off your thumb. It's
not gonna hurt you. You're not even gonna hardly know
what happened. And you shoot it. Go, Well, that was
really interesting. And people say, well, you know it's a
rain drill. It forces a malfunction. It allows you to
(35:24):
work on your malfunction drills. No, that's not what this is.
This is a real tactical save your life technique. That's
what this thing is. Here's the whole idea. When you
have a semi automatic firearm ear pistol, if you take
the muzzle of that and shove it into something, the
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slide will come back slightly, and at that point it
comes to what's called out of battery, which means the
gun has a disconnector it won't go off. You can't
shoot it that way. You shove the muscle into something,
the slide comes back just slightly, it will not fire.
Why is this important? If you are in the fight
(36:11):
for your life and you are grappling with somebody and
he's got a hold of you, and you have to
pull your gun out and you have to shove it
into him with the muscle pressed against him. If you
shove forward on it, as you almost certainly will do
and try to shoot him to save your life, the
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gun will not go bang. This technique of putting your
thumb on the back of the slide is to prevent
the slide from coming back, to prevent the gun from
going out of battery, and to allow you to get
off one round, because that's all you gotta get. Because
(36:55):
you do it in fact force some malfunction, the slide
did not come It did not throw out the empty
it did not pick up a fresh round, it did
not put it in the chamber. The gun is not
ready to fire again, but you at least got it
to go bang one time. That's what this drill is about.
This is real world, no kid in fighting for your life.
(37:17):
This is ugly stuff, and this is why we train
for this. Now, if you're going to do this at
the range, I would advise you to do it with
an instructor with you. If you're at all uncomfortable with this,
don't try it. It's really not that big a deal.
But if you're it all uncomfortable with it, don't do it.
But here's the other thing. Assume of you know what
(37:37):
a tap rack is, and if you don't, you don't
have any business doing this. But the tap malfunction drill.
If you put your thumb on the back of the
slide and you fire a shot, now you've caused a malfunction. Right,
you have an empty case, empty brass case in the
chamber of your gun. It has not picked up a
(37:58):
fresh round. So you tap the bottom of the slide
or a correction at the bottom of the magazine, smack
it in there. Your hand comes over to the top
of the slide and rack it back and keep your
finger outside of the trigger guard. Okay, get your finger
outside of the trigger guard and do the tap rack.
(38:20):
It will kick out the empty it will throw in
a fresh round, and now you can continue to shoot.
This is a really good drill to practice at the
range again, preferably with an instructor or somebody who's very knowledgeable.
So you figure on the back of the slide, press
bang back off, maybe take a step or two back
(38:43):
tap rack, put another shot or two into the target.
You're learning a technique that is a real world, save
your life, get out of jail, you get to go
home that day. Technique. This is the real deal. It's
why you go to a gun site or someplace that
or range ready to learn things that could save your life.
(39:13):
All right, it is the fourth of May know what
that means. We get all the memes out there. May
the fourth be with you. Yeah, okay, fine, that's fun.
So one that had Obi Wan Kenobi with a nineteen
eleven that was fun from Gunsite.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Oh oh.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Speaking of Gunsite, did you have to check check it out?
It was Friday morning on I think Fox and Friends
on the Fox News network. They had a really good piece,
fairly long story from Gunsite in Arizona, just outside of Prescott, Arizona.
(39:53):
William Lodgens, who has some kind of a long ago
history with Gunsite I think or the state of Arizona.
I'm not sure what that is, but he knows Buzzmills.
I do know that the owner of Gunsite, and they
did a great piece film at Gunsite with shooters, interviewed
several people who were taking classes there, interviewed Buzzmills and
the idea was that people are buying guns for self
(40:14):
protection that feel uneasy about different things, about crime, about whatever,
and there's a need for training. It was a very
well done piece, not hit piece at all, and so
that's available online. You can go check a look, take
a look at that and check it out. I thought
they did a super job with that, So congrats to
William Lajenes and those guys, as well as the folks
(40:38):
over at gunsite who always do a terrific job with
their instruction and everything else they do. So it is
May the fourth, fourth of May. May the fourth be
with you, which means it is the day before wait
for it. We know about Sinko tomayo right, well in
the firearms world, I think Aguila starts this because you know,
(41:01):
we call shoot you get tin cans and that kind
of thing plinking. So we're out doing some plinking. So
tomorrow the fifth is Plinko Demayo. I didn't make it up.
Don't blame me. I just think it's funny. So go
out and do some shooting, do a little plinking on
(41:23):
Plinko demayo. Have some fun with that. One of the things.
If there was something I was going to tell people
about how to get better at shooting, certainly getting instruction
and going and taking a class, you know, getting with
a trainer or whatever that works. But you know, most
(41:43):
people just don't shoot much. Most people who have guns
don't shoot them much. Even people who have guns and
call themselves real gun people, they don't shoot nearly enough.
You just get better when you do it more, especially
if you do it with purpose. It's like, Okay, this
flinging arounds down range indiscriminately doesn't get you anywhere, but
(42:04):
shooting with a purpose. Say, okay, my goal today is
to get all the shots onto this smallish target. How
small I don't know, how far I don't know. You
figure it out, make it hard for you. Maybe it's
a piece of paper, a piece of typing paper or
a copy paper, and that's your target. And at seven
or fifteen yards with your handgun. Maybe that's what you
(42:27):
can do. But if you could do all that, then
let's make it smaller. Fall that piece of paper in
half instead of being eight half by eleven, and let's
cut that in half. Put all your shots on that.
If you can do that, wait for it. Guess you're
already ahead of me. Fold that piece of paper in
half and tape it to the target. Put all your
(42:50):
shots in there. You see where we're going. Just keep
making it harder for yourself, putting more demands on yourself.
It makes you focus focus on the small things, small
things that make you a better shot. All right, So
coming up, we're gonna be talking with somebody from SIG
about the SIG P three twenty, a controversial pistol. A
(43:11):
lot of talk about NDS negligent discharges. People have all
these opinions, and it is one of these subjects where, frankly,
if you were to say something online favorable about that pistol, man,
you get shouted down and crushed. It's an amazing thing
that's going on. Well, I thought, let's talk to somebody
(43:31):
from SIG and find out what they're saying about it,
so you don't want to miss this. When you get
the popcorn ready, we'll be right back with more gun talk.
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
He was the first and he's still the best. For
thirty years, Tom Gresham has been your trusted source on
all things ballistic, new guns, Second Amendment, personal protection, deep
part of it, Paul, Tom Talk Gun. Now, here's Tom.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
All right, I'm with you. This is Tom Gresham, And yes,
I may be part of the media, but I'm not
part of that media. This is gun Talk where we
get together to talk about well guess what, guns and
AMMO and shooting and optics and yeah, we'll talk politics
of course. And today we're going to tackle another subject
that really has people riled up on the internet, specifically
(00:56):
the six hour p three twenty pistol. Holy cow, you
just mentioned that online and people just blow up. They're
going crazy. You know, it's trash, It's wonderful. I love
my end. I'll never carry one. Yeah, okay, fine, good,
We're going to talk about all of that. We're going
to get into a whole bunch of different things today.
But of course, as always, if you'd like to be
a part of it, give me a call. We can
(01:17):
talk about well, frankly, whatever you want to talk about.
The number here is pretty easy to remember. It's eight
six six blah blah. Who knows. I don't know what
it's anymore. It's just Tom Talk gun. That's all it is.
To call me a Tom Talk gun and we shall
get you on. And of course we're always looking for
(01:38):
range reports. What's a range report? Well, that's really it's
in the experience you had. You went to a gun store,
you had something, an interesting conversation, you went to the range,
you took somebody with you, and you went shooting. You
have a gun. You want to tell me about a
new gun. You have an old gun, you have a
great gun, you have the gun your grandpappy left you.
(02:00):
It doesn't matter. We're just swapping stories here. And I
actually have a couple of range reports to share with
you this week because last week we were at the
Terrasy Annual meetings in Atlanta and after that, and that
was a great show, by the way, my heavens, we
had twelve guests on. After that, I went down to Florida,
stayed with a buddy for a few days and we
(02:21):
shot some of his guns and I was able to do,
if I do say so myself, a superlative job at
enabling him to buy guns. I have a little bit
more about that as we go along, But first up,
there are a couple of stories we need to talk about,
(02:41):
and the person we need to talk with them about
with him is Lee Williams joined us right now. He's
called the gun writer. Lee.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Welcome, Thank you. I appreciate the invite.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Absolutely so, all right, let's start off with the one
that I don't know. I have a perverse sense of
humor and it just makes me laugh. David Hogg, the
virtue signer, the crisis actor, the survivor of the Parkland shooting.
Yeah yeah, yeah, I got himself our scholarship to Harvard
off All, that made a bunch of money with his
(03:15):
anti gun stuff. And then incredibly, the Democratic National Committee
elects him as vice chair. This guy, young guy, know
nothing guy, and they're going to put him in charge
of the Democratic Party, or Eastern part of it. And
that's lasted what about three months now, and it is
all unraveling. Pick it up from there, please.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Well, certainly Hogg is one of five vice chairs of
the Democratic National Committee, although he likes to say he
is the vice chair. Basically, contrary to the DMC rules,
Hog pushed for candidates whom he personally approved of, which
forced his boss at the DMC chair, Ken Martin, to
take action. In a media call last week, Martin said,
(04:00):
I quote, let me be unequivocal. No DNC officers should
ever attend to influence of primary election, whether on behalf
of an incumbent or a challenger. Voters should. Voters should
decide who our primary nominees are, not the NC leadership.
Our role is to serve as stewards of a fair,
open and trusted process, not to tilt scales. Martin said
(04:21):
that Hogg quote again, can't be both the referee and
also the player at the same time.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
So yeah, let me explain what he did. David Hogg
goes in and this guy is like twelve years old,
I mean, okay, he's twenty five. Okay, so he's twenty five,
and he announces that, Okay, he's helping to lead the
Democratic Party and he is going to kick out incumbents,
(04:48):
Democrat incumbents by primarying them because he's saying that they
are too old. He wants younger Democrats elect, and so
he's going to kick out the established people who are
already there, which clearly is not going to make the
established people very happy.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
No, absolutely not. And he's not being quiet about her either.
Last week he appeared on dearly every single cable news
outlet telling folks that the DNC and the Democrats themselves
need a reset. But nobody, nobody from the DNC are
saying what they're going to do or what they intend
(05:29):
to do. The Hog, who again is only twenty five
years old. I mean, he's got other problems too. His
election as a DNC to the DNC is being contested,
where as a Native American activist, longtime dem who filed
a complaint after she lost the Hog arguing that she
lost a quote fatally flawed election that violated the KEYNC charter.
(05:50):
Then late March, his original charity, March for Our Lives,
which he co founded, announced they're laying off thirteen of
sixteen four time staffers because it's running into money issues.
So I think we're going well for David.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Are they running into money issues? Because those found the
US AID pipeline, the back Channel pipeline, where they took
the money out of our pockets, sent to USAID, and
then they back channel it back to the gun control groups.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
That is what everybody I know believes. They have not
said that one hundred percent, but I got to think
that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
So if the Democrats, Okay, this is just me now,
if the Democrats are the party of David Hog and AOC,
there is not enough popcorn in the world to make
me happy just to watch this thing go down.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
I know, I know, I hope it drags out for years.
Yet last week hit the veteran strategist James Carville called
him a twert As. For a response, Hogg said that Carbell,
who you remember worked for Bill Clinton, hadn't won an
election since before he was born.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Oh good, I love it. Just let these guys, let
these guys do each other in Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
I mean, Hog has the supporters Roe Conna in California
very strong, saving Hogg is doing incredible work. Hog told
Newsweek last week that he plans to keep fighting for
the Democratic Party even if they boot him out from
this position.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
All right, that's all fun for us to watch. But
there's a more serious story that you've been covering and
actually you have been making a change in things. And
I do want to pick up on this because this
is a I don't even know exactly how to chara
characterize it other than corruption at the highest levels in
terms of faking evidence and putting an innocent man in
(07:47):
jail from their lead. This is your story, man, and
congratulations on picking this up and running with it.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Take it please, thank you. The man's name is Patrick
Tate Adomiak. Right now, if the government had messed with him,
he'd be leading a seal platoon in the Navy. However,
instead he's starting his third year of his twenty years sentence. Tom,
you know the atf federal prosecutors and what's left of
Biden's sick offense in the federal government wants you to
(08:14):
believe that their case against him, a Navy sailor, was
complex and confusing, involving all these convoluted weapons systems and
rare gun parts that nobody can really understand. That they
say is why he was found guilty and sentence in
twenty years in the federal prison. But brother, that is
pure bunk. I've gone through the entire list of guns
(08:35):
and gun parts that were found after they raided his home.
Not a single one tom, not a single gun part
was illegal for him to possess. Some of the items
were actually used as evidence against him. Are laughable, man.
I mean they said he was he had a machine
gun when it was a toy submachine gun. They said
he had two RPGs that were you know, grenade taple
(08:57):
fired gir names. We got a picture of one there
there's a whole board in it right where your head goes.
These were stuff he bought it basically some kind of
garage sale in California one hundred years ago. And if
you really look at the RPGs, and he would be
out right now if they hadn't nailed him on the RPGs.
Gunbroker dot com offers the very same thing too, inert
(09:18):
rockets for one hundred and twenty bucks, non firing RPG
seven replica for three ninety five, RPG two rocket launcher
for twelve hundred. I mean the guy that the guy
who put him in prison is atf Firearms Enforcement officer
Jeffrey Brodell. He tested these guns and said, oh, they're
(09:39):
all sub machine guns. He had several. He had about
seven open boat semi autos. They fired from an open bolt. However,
they're classified very sought after handguns. I mean, you're gonna
pay three to five thousand dollars for these things. And
he and Jeffrey Bodell said they're all machine guns, even
(09:59):
though he couldn't get an other than semi automatic fire.
This is why we're person we're pushing hard for presidential part.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Because and you've been making some headway with this. All
of a sudden you've gotten the attention of some members
of Congress on this. Where do we go from here?
How do we get this guy out of prison.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
It's going to take somebody from Congress. It's going to
take a presidential pardon. Now, everybody feels good that President
Trump got elected. However, he is busier than hell. I mean,
the guy's working seventy hour days, damn near right, right,
But he's the only one that can get him out
or we can wait for his appeal. But brother, that
could take, I mean take did nothing wrong. He had
(10:41):
a private website where he was incredibly scrupulous about what
he sold and what he didn't sell.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
You cover the lot, You've covered a lot of stuff
in your time as a journalist. Would it be stretching
things too far to say that what the ATF did
on this was totally corrupt.
Speaker 4 (10:59):
It was corrupt. They kicked down his door because they
talked to a stupid confidential informant who even even even
said that, you know those RPGs, they blow your head up,
they're not real. They paid the AHF pay to eight
grand for his participation in the case. They kicked his door,
and then everything they find is legal one percent.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
All right, Look, we're going to be we're out of time.
If people want to know what's going on, they want
to hear this whole story, where can they read your work?
Where can they catch up on this?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
They can go to my website, Thegunwriter dot subsect dot
com or saf is a Second Amendment Foundation dot org.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Well, Lee Williams, congratulations on breaking the story and please
keep pursuing it because this guy needs the advocates out there,
and you are the leader right now.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Thank you, Tom. I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
All right, you take care. All right, we are open
lines now eight six six Talk Gun and Tom Talk Gun.
I'm Tom Gresham and this is gun Talk.
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Speaker 9 (14:12):
Hi, I'm Blake Migez, former world champion shooter and a
senator who authored constitutional carry legislation in Louisiana. I want
you to congratulate Tom on hitting thirty years on the air.
Like my shot placement, gun Talk has been a consistent
platform for everything firearm related.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Byzar is fun. You don't get a lot of politicians
who are also world class shooters like Blake meguz Is
so as we say, I had some fun this week.
Went over to my Buddy's house in Florida, Central Florida,
and he's got a shooting range behind the house, and
he says, well, have a shot at eight six. No,
(14:54):
I've read about it, but I've never shot one. He said, well,
I got one. Actually's got two, the eight six eight
point six Blackout. I have come to believe that this
is the cartridge the three hundred blackout should have been,
because the three hundred blackout, while interesting, leaves a lot
to be desired. It's just not much oomph there, but
(15:18):
it's quiet. Is so the eight point six comes from
the same people that did the three hundred blackout, Kevin Bridingham,
who is a lightning rod. He is controversial and people
have varying opinions about him. But the six and eight
point six cartridge is a three thirty eight cartridge. It
is a three thirty eight bullet diameter, same as the
(15:40):
three thirty eight win mag same as the three thirty
eight Lapua, but the cartridge is smaller. Comes off of
the sixty five creed more so you can imagine it's
quite a bit smaller, and it's shorter because they put
really really long bullets in it. You're looking at up
to three hundred grain three thirty eight bullets in a
(16:03):
short cartridge, So the cartridge case itself has to be
shorter if you've got to get the whole thing into
a rifle that takes three or eight and it's chambered
in AR ten semi auto. Actually it's in some fall
autos as well. And the Q Firearms Company that's just Q.
(16:23):
I think James Bond in his quarterbaster. Q. They also
make a rifle they call the Fix that's what I shot,
which is a bullet action rifle, very lightweight, like five
pounds four ounces, and then with a can on it
and it's really quiet. The secret sauce of the whole
thing is the twist rate of the barrel. And I
(16:47):
know we're getting kind of geeky here, but it makes
a lot of sense to's hanging in there with me.
The longer the bullet, the more you got to spin
it to make it stabilize. And this is a really
long bullet. So typically a lot of like forty five seventies,
you may be looking at a one in sixteen twist rate,
and a lot of standard rifles one in ten. That
means you get one revolution of the bullet as it
(17:10):
goes down the barrel. It takes ten inches of barrel
length to get one revolution. And then the fast twist
are one in seven, one and eight, maybe one and nine.
This is a one in three. You get a full
revolution of the bullet in only three inches of travel
(17:34):
down the barrel. So the RPM, the twist rate is
incredibly high. Well, that does two or maybe three things.
It certainly stabilizes this long bullet. You really got to
spin it up to get it to stabilize. But the
other thing it does, and this is lost I think
on a lot of people, is this incredibly high twist rate.
(17:56):
You can imagine this super high RPM actually puts a
lot of centrifical force on the bullet. And when you
shoot something with it, think pig for instance, wild hog,
the bullet tends to spin itself apart, or at least
it helps with the expansion. So you may not have
(18:18):
a lot of forward velocity because people say, well, what's
the velocity, Well, if it's subsonic, it must, by the
laws of physics be traveling it under third or eleven
hundred feet per second at sea level, because faster than
that you breaking the sound barrier. And it's no longer subsonic.
So that's the limit. You've got a hard ceiling here
(18:40):
of eleven hundred feet per second. So how do you
get more energy down range? If you can't increase the velocity.
Will you go with the heavier bullet, and you go
with a really long bullet that has a high ballistic
coefficient that retains its velocity more downrange. And to make
it more effective, let's crank up the twist rate incredibly,
(19:03):
so the bullet expands. The problem with lower bullets, they
don't have enough forward velocity, enough energy to make bullets
expand when they hit a critter. So the eight point six.
It's not an industry standard yet, Sammy. The Sporting Arms
(19:24):
and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute SAAMI has not adopted it as
an official cartridge yet. I think it will probably happen.
Having said all that, there are people making guns for
it now, pistols and short barrels, SBRs and rifles. People
(19:47):
are loading ammunition for it now. So you can buy
a rifle, you can buy the ammo, and you can
start shooting it. Today. It becomes this is a kind
of arbitrary call it an effective three hundred yard cartridge
maybe three point fifty. You get a lot of drop
(20:09):
out there, but drop is not that important as long
as you've got some energy going. And they do have
it in supersonical oads, so it's not always subsonic. So
what was it like to shoot it? Well, I shot
it in the queue. That's the bolt action version, like
I said, a five point four or a five pounds
four ounce rifle with a can on it. Of course,
(20:31):
I found the recoil to be very mild, not a
lot of recoil. I shot two rounds off the bench,
shooting it steal at about one hundred and ten yards.
It's like easy, I mean, like stupid easy. You know,
it's like pick bang, pick bang. Okay, that's done. I
could keep doing that, but that's a board now. So
(20:55):
it stood up. Said okay, let's just try and shoot
it off hand. It's one hundred yards on steel target.
You know, I'm not that great an off hand shot,
but what the heck? Shot five rounds out of it
off hand, hit steel all five times. It was easy.
Lightweight rifle. You got the can on the front, so
you got some stabilization out there if you will, a
(21:17):
little bit of weight out there. I just thought it
was delightful. And oh, by the way, this is a
very nice rifle, smooth bolt, good trigger. I had never
shot one before. I was impressed. So it's like, okay,
I don't have any connection to the company, don't know
anybody there. They don't know me. She shooting a buddy's rifle.
(21:39):
And then as we were having Mexican food that afternoon
after we shot it, I talked him into we'd been
to the gun store. He bought a Daniel defense ar pistol.
I talked to him into going back and buying the
nine milimeter Gatling gun that takes clock mags. We put
that in the back seat of his If three fifty
(22:01):
you drove it home. What who? This thing is like
a work of art. It's going to sit inside and
be a statue or something, a display piece, and then
you can roll it out and shoot it in the backyard.
Gatling guns for everyone.
Speaker 10 (22:15):
That's how I roll.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
All right? Good? Yeah? Number here is eight sixty six
Talk gun or tom Talk gun. One last thing here,
I noticed that they have like I think one or
two slots left. Should you want to jump into it,
we're offering the diagnostic Pistol Instructor class that range Ready
this coming week. It's almost almost kind of hate the
(22:48):
fact that they put instructor in there, because it makes
a thing makes you think you're going to learn to
be an instructor. That's sort of not quite what it is.
It's called Diagnostic Pistol Instructor, and I would just call
it diagnostic pistol. It is more advanced class. This is
not for beginners, but if you want to become a
much better shooter, you want to be able to diagnose
(23:09):
yourself what's going on, which will help you diagnose other people.
If you're teaching people to shoot, or you're an aspiring
or beginning instructor, you get a little lot out of this.
But just frankly, if you simply want to be a
considerably better handgun shooter, this is a great class. It's
called the DPI or Diagnostic Pistol Instructor. It's going to
(23:33):
be taught I guess Thursday, Friday of this coming week
down in Louisiana. So you'd want to go jump on
range Ready studios dot com if you want to take
a look at that and possibly sign up for that. Alright,
let's go to the phones days with us out of Billings, Montana. Dave,
thank you for your patients. You have a range report
for us.
Speaker 11 (23:53):
Yes, for a small story on how I got this
handgun here to give you a range report. Having a
great store was having a great special on suppressor where
they paid the tax, and I went to the store,
picked up a suppressor, sure enough, and then unfortunately, well fortunately,
walked by the gun counter and oh, I happened to
see a block thirty one Gen four sitting there. I
(24:17):
used one I generally don't buy used, but I wanted
to take a look at it. And I'm telling you,
this thing is mint. It's like maybe maybe two mags
fired to it. So I pick that up and I've
never had a three fifty seven sig before. Of course,
challenge was finding the ammal to go with it, but
found some a little bit later on. Took it to
(24:40):
the old backcountry Montana range where I was clinking popcns
the old school style, and I'm not kidding. I was
consistently hitting popcns at seventy five yards and just a
smooth shooting handgun. And it has now turned into my
Harry piece with my chest rig for my motorcycle adventures
(25:01):
and rafting adventures, and I actually threatened to take it
out in the back country. I take a ten mil
for bears, but I'll tell you that three fifty seven
sig will make it think twice. I don't necessarily want
to go against the grizzly, but it'll certainly make it
think twice with that velocity. So I'll keep the ten
mil for the grizz But I really enjoy this new
(25:22):
carry thief.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
All right, Dave, give us an idea for those who
haven't shot a three fifty seven sig. Let me explain
that is a cartridge at three fifty seven sig designed
for semi autumn pistols. But if you shot at nine,
and what's it like or what's the difference between shooting
and nine and shooting this cartridge?
Speaker 11 (25:43):
To me, I always find a nine, and I've got
several nine milimeters different different makers. I always find a
nine a little snappy, and for whatever reason, to me
and everybody's different, right, the three fifty seven sig is
just it's more smooth with the cycling of it. I
know it's harder, it's a little it's a little more powerful,
(26:06):
But to me, it just feels like it's just smoother,
and it doesn't. It doesn't snap up and down quite
as much. To me, that's my feeling on it. I
shoot a lot of forty five. That's my favorite round,
that's the Lord's caliber. But I'm really liking the feel
of the three fifty seven. It feels more power to
it than the nine and I don't know. To me,
(26:28):
I just it feels great.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
So see, I thought you were going to go the
other way. I thought you were going to say the
three fifty seven sig was more snappy than the nine.
You really surprised me by going the other way.
Speaker 11 (26:40):
I don't know what it is. Maybe it's because it's
the full size thirty one block thirty one. I don't know.
But the weight is fantastic and it just feels great,
and I don't get that that kind of snappy buck shot,
you know, up in the air with that, I do
off the nine mills and the three.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Fifty seven cig. The idea was to put the power
of a three fifty have a magnum revolver cartridge in
a semi auto. It doesn't quite get to that. It's
just a little bit below, but it's not very much
and it's definitely more power than a nine. So are
you having any trouble or how is it to find AMMO?
Speaker 11 (27:16):
Difficult to find AMMO carry Amo isn't too hard. But
you know, if you want to go plinking with fmj's,
that's difficult to find. So I got an online order
and I got some coming in and I have found some.
But I am loaded up nicely with CARRYAMO, so I'm
in good shape for that. It's just taking it out
(27:37):
to plank. I'm a little short right now.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Right there you go. Hey, that is a good range report.
We appreciate that. Dave, tell you what I got. Luke
on the line, and look, if you would just hold
on a second. Here, I gott getting this break in
now and that will give you full time on the
backside of this to give your range report. And you
know what, if you're listening and you've been out to
the range, you've been shooting something interesting or even something old,
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with it, let's talk about it. Give me a call.
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Looks with us out of Syracuse, New York. Luke what
you got there? Man?
Speaker 11 (30:36):
Good everything?
Speaker 14 (30:36):
Tom. I got an email, oh last about a year ago,
and they said, hey, we're looking for anybody that wants
to semit an ar for a little bit of work
from some crazy folks down in Louisiana, and so okay.
I took some pictures and I sent it in and
(30:58):
they decided that mine would be a good candidate. Uh.
Moved moved to upstate New York, and they had to
make my rifle, a New York compliant rifle.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Okay, so this is the Billbox guys down this. This
is a part of the Gun Talk crew for the
Billbox Show.
Speaker 14 (31:17):
Yep, Brian and kJ and Chris. They got to enjoy
the pleasures of the challenges that we get to work
with on Billbox. And I tell you, they did an
awesome job.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
So what did they do to your gun?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
So?
Speaker 14 (31:34):
I had a Ruder s R five five six, and
they customized it quite a bit. They changed out some
of the barrel and everything like that. They put a
custom paint job in like blue and yellow, which you
would think wouldn't go together, but they really do. It
(31:54):
looks awesome. It looks like a distressed kind of a
finish on it, and it's it's just amazing. It's a
smooth shooter. It looks awesome. It's super custom, which I've
never had a custom gun before. And holy smokes, I
couldn't have been I couldn't have done it better if
(32:14):
I wanted to.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
Had they showed it to any of your friends, what
kind of reaction are you getting.
Speaker 14 (32:21):
Yes, I have shown it to a bunch of my friends.
My my kids both love it. They're like that's so cool, dadda,
I'm a cool dad for at least for at least
a few minutes anyway. And uh, I had some colleagues
at work that saw the episode air on TV and
(32:42):
they called me up. They goes this to you, and
I said, yeah, that's me, and they said, that's so
cool and I've shown fun.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
So how's it shoot?
Speaker 14 (32:52):
She's great? Wow, but it's great. It's a straight shooter,
and man, I mean it's it shoots better than I can, well.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Most gunshot better than I can. So yeah, that's I
understand that. Well. Good, I'm glad you had fun with that.
Speaker 14 (33:11):
Yeah, it was certainly a great experience. And I've done
a couple of things with gun Talk media team in
the past and they always do just such a great job.
You've really done a good job of creating a great legacy,
even from your dad down to you, and I'm sure
down to Ryan as well.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
So well, I appreciate that. I got a question, did
they have to do something about your magazine capacity in
New York?
Speaker 14 (33:35):
They sure did. They They put in a thirty round magazine,
but it's special so it's capped it to ten. And
they also gave me like a quick takedown release, so
you pinch these two levers and the top opens up
so you can load one round at a time.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Ah yeah, okay, well it's just what you got to
put up with, at least for now. Maybe at some
point we're got some of that stuffer removed.
Speaker 14 (34:04):
Hopefully, fingers crossed. We're trying. We're trying.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
There you go where we got a new DOJ and
they're doing some really interesting stuff. So hang loose that
you ever know. Hey, thank you for the range report.
That is great. Look and congrats on that cool gun.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
You bet fun stuff. I did something with my buddy
when we were out shooting at his range. I showed
him the deal. I've talked about it on the show
here before, but somebody on line was just they brought
it up again and nobody knew what he was talking about.
Nobody knew what it was for. And I thought, you know,
I've been talking about this for years now, but let's
(34:42):
talk about it again. And this is the deal of
taking your striker fired pistol it doesn't have a hammer
and shooting it one handed. You could do it two handed,
but one handed is fun. And putting your thumb behind
the slide, pressing your thumb on the rear of the
(35:03):
slide of the gun while you shoot. Okay, first of all,
let's get this out of the way. No, the slide's
not gonna come back and rip off your thumb. It's
not gonna hurt you. You're not even gonna hardly know
what happened. And you shoot it. Go, Well, that was
really interesting. And people say, well, you know it's a
rain drill. It forces a malfunction. It allows you to
(35:24):
work on your malfunction drills. No, that's not what this is.
This is a real tactical save your life technique. That's
what this thing is. Here's the whole idea. When you
have a semi automatic firearm ear pistol, if you take
the muzzle of that and shove it into something, the
(35:48):
slide will come back slightly, and at that point it
comes to what's called out of battery, which means the
gun has a disconnector it won't go off. You can't
shoot it that way. You shove the muscle into something,
the slide comes back just slightly, it will not fire.
Why is this important? If you are in the fight
(36:11):
for your life and you are grappling with somebody and
he's got a hold of you, and you have to
pull your gun out and you have to shove it
into him with the muscle pressed against him. If you
shove forward on it, as you almost certainly will do
and try to shoot him to save your life, the
(36:33):
gun will not go bang. This technique of putting your
thumb on the back of the slide is to prevent
the slide from coming back, to prevent the gun from
going out of battery, and to allow you to get
off one round, because that's all you gotta get. Because
(36:55):
you do it in fact force some malfunction, the slide
did not come It did not throw out the empty
it did not pick up a fresh round, it did
not put it in the chamber. The gun is not
ready to fire again, but you at least got it
to go bang one time. That's what this drill is about.
This is real world, no kid in fighting for your life.
(37:17):
This is ugly stuff, and this is why we train
for this. Now, if you're going to do this at
the range, I would advise you to do it with
an instructor with you. If you're at all uncomfortable with this,
don't try it. It's really not that big a deal.
But if you're it all uncomfortable with it, don't do it.
But here's the other thing. Assume of you know what
(37:37):
a tap rack is, and if you don't, you don't
have any business doing this. But the tap malfunction drill.
If you put your thumb on the back of the
slide and you fire a shot, now you've caused a malfunction. Right,
you have an empty case, empty brass case in the
chamber of your gun. It has not picked up a
(37:58):
fresh round. So you tap the bottom of the slide
or a correction at the bottom of the magazine, smack
it in there. Your hand comes over to the top
of the slide and rack it back and keep your
finger outside of the trigger guard. Okay, get your finger
outside of the trigger guard and do the tap rack.
(38:20):
It will kick out the empty it will throw in
a fresh round, and now you can continue to shoot.
This is a really good drill to practice at the
range again, preferably with an instructor or somebody who's very knowledgeable.
So you figure on the back of the slide, press
bang back off, maybe take a step or two back
(38:43):
tap rack, put another shot or two into the target.
You're learning a technique that is a real world, save
your life, get out of jail, you get to go
home that day. Technique. This is the real deal. It's
why you go to a gun site or someplace that
or range ready to learn things that could save your life.
(39:13):
All right, it is the fourth of May know what
that means. We get all the memes out there. May
the fourth be with you. Yeah, okay, fine, that's fun.
So one that had Obi Wan Kenobi with a nineteen
eleven that was fun from Gunsite.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
Oh oh.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Speaking of Gunsite, did you have to check check it out?
It was Friday morning on I think Fox and Friends
on the Fox News network. They had a really good piece,
fairly long story from Gunsite in Arizona, just outside of Prescott, Arizona.
(39:53):
William Lodgens, who has some kind of a long ago
history with Gunsite I think or the state of Arizona.
I'm not sure what that is, but he knows Buzzmills.
I do know that the owner of Gunsite, and they
did a great piece film at Gunsite with shooters, interviewed
several people who were taking classes there, interviewed Buzzmills and
the idea was that people are buying guns for self
(40:14):
protection that feel uneasy about different things, about crime, about whatever,
and there's a need for training. It was a very
well done piece, not hit piece at all, and so
that's available online. You can go check a look, take
a look at that and check it out. I thought
they did a super job with that, So congrats to
William Lajenes and those guys, as well as the folks
(40:38):
over at gunsite who always do a terrific job with
their instruction and everything else they do. So it is
May the fourth, fourth of May. May the fourth be
with you, which means it is the day before wait
for it. We know about Sinko tomayo right, well in
the firearms world, I think Aguila starts this because you know,
(41:01):
we call shoot you get tin cans and that kind
of thing plinking. So we're out doing some plinking. So
tomorrow the fifth is Plinko Demayo. I didn't make it up.
Don't blame me. I just think it's funny. So go
out and do some shooting, do a little plinking on
(41:23):
Plinko demayo. Have some fun with that. One of the things.
If there was something I was going to tell people
about how to get better at shooting, certainly getting instruction
and going and taking a class, you know, getting with
a trainer or whatever that works. But you know, most
(41:43):
people just don't shoot much. Most people who have guns
don't shoot them much. Even people who have guns and
call themselves real gun people, they don't shoot nearly enough.
You just get better when you do it more, especially
if you do it with purpose. It's like, Okay, this
flinging arounds down range indiscriminately doesn't get you anywhere, but
(42:04):
shooting with a purpose. Say, okay, my goal today is
to get all the shots onto this smallish target. How
small I don't know, how far I don't know. You
figure it out, make it hard for you. Maybe it's
a piece of paper, a piece of typing paper or
a copy paper, and that's your target. And at seven
or fifteen yards with your handgun. Maybe that's what you
(42:27):
can do. But if you could do all that, then
let's make it smaller. Fall that piece of paper in
half instead of being eight half by eleven, and let's
cut that in half. Put all your shots on that.
If you can do that, wait for it. Guess you're
already ahead of me. Fold that piece of paper in
half and tape it to the target. Put all your
(42:50):
shots in there. You see where we're going. Just keep
making it harder for yourself, putting more demands on yourself.
It makes you focus focus on the small things, small
things that make you a better shot. All right, So
coming up, we're gonna be talking with somebody from SIG
about the SIG P three twenty, a controversial pistol. A
(43:11):
lot of talk about NDS negligent discharges. People have all
these opinions, and it is one of these subjects where, frankly,
if you were to say something online favorable about that pistol, man,
you get shouted down and crushed. It's an amazing thing
that's going on. Well, I thought, let's talk to somebody
(43:31):
from SIG and find out what they're saying about it,
so you don't want to miss this. When you get
the popcorn ready, we'll be right back with more gun talk.
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