-- The Department of Justice announces big changes in administrative rules which remove many restrictions on lawful gun ownership and purchasing. Acting Attorney General gives the details in a Washington, DC, press conference.
-- The new ATF director, Rob Cekada, explains the most significant changes facing gun owners, gun stores, and manufacturers under the new and proposed rule changes.
-- Professional shooter Jalise Williams continues to bring home trophies from around the world. She started shooting at age 4, and entered the competition world at 10. She's been winning almost from the beginning.
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-- The new ATF director, Rob Cekada, explains the most significant changes facing gun owners, gun stores, and manufacturers under the new and proposed rule changes.
-- Professional shooter Jalise Williams continues to bring home trophies from around the world. She started shooting at age 4, and entered the competition world at 10. She's been winning almost from the beginning.
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Speaker 4 (00:51):
The Second Amendment will never be treated as a second
class right in the Trump administration.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
The Second Amendment is.
Speaker 6 (00:59):
Not in a.
Speaker 7 (01:01):
Wow wow wow. What a statement coming from the acting
Attorney General of the United States, that's the head of
the DOJ. Hey, I'm Tom greshaman this is gun talking.
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gun talk dot com. This week, when he was announcing
that we have a new director of the ATF and
also a thirty four point plan of reforms for gun
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control laws in the US, there was a lot going on,
and he basically spelled out who our new director was
of ATF and also what's going on. There's a lot
for us to cover. I want to make sure we
get this. But this is Todd Blant, the acting US
Attorney General. And then we'll have the new director of
(02:06):
the ATF speaking, and his name is Rob Zakata. All right,
here is Acting Attorneys General Todd Blench.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
A little bit about Rob in case you don't know.
He began his law enforcement career with the New York
City Police Department in nineteen ninety two, starting in the
Housing Bureau in Harlem, he moved around. He was promoted
to detective and the Organized Crime Bureau's Gang Division. Later
continued his public service with the City of Plantation Police
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Department in Broward County, Florida, serving in patrol operations on
the SWAT team, and then in two thousand and five,
so over twenty years ago, Rob joined ATF as a
special agent in the Baltimore Field Division, where he was
assigned to the Regional Area Gang Enforcement Task Force combating
transnational organized crime.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
He later served as a.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Special agent in the Tampa Field Divis, investigating violent crimes
involving firearms and explosives, and continuing working his way up
through the ATF ranks over the two decades. Eventually he
was promoted to SES at ATF and he was a
special Asent in charge of the Baltimore Field Division, where
he oversaw operations across Maryland and Delaware. Subsequently, he was
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a Specializing in Charge in Miami where he oversaw twenty
one offices throughout Southern Florida, Puerto Rico, and the US
Virgin Islands. After that, Rob returned to ATF headquarters as
a Deputy Assistant Director for Field Operations. He was then
promoted again to Executive Assistant Director of Operations and then
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just over one year ago today, on April tenth, twenty
twenty five, Rob was named the Deputy Director of ATF,
a role that he has served in through today and
right now he's in that middle spot where he is
the confirmed director of ATF but commissioned signed, so I
think still technically deputy director, but we're fine. So look
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so from patrol officer to federal agent to specializing in charge,
Rob has committed his entire life to serving the public
and protecting communities nationwide. It is fitting in my mind
that the first action Rob is going to take today
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in his new role is to sign the most comprehensive
regulatory reform package in the history of ATF. I want
to thank President Donald Trump for putting us on this
path on January twentieth of last year. His leadership made
this moment possible. His executive order directing a full review
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of ATF regulations set the tone clear, direct and focused
on the Constitution. And I want to thank him for
his leadership.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
It's been over a year, but we're ready to get
a roll.
Speaker 7 (05:01):
Todd Blanche then went on to explain the other part. Yes,
they were introducing the new head of the ATF, and
Blanche was certainly excited about that. But then he went
on to start to explain what is being done and
what they have been working on. And I know, look,
a lot of people have been saying, why haven't we
seen more improvement? Why haven't we seen this? Why hasn't
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the Department Justice done that? It takes a while, and
there's a lot to be done. They got a thirty
four point plan. There's more to come, and he started
to spell out a little bit of it here.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
We're repealing rules that went beyond what the law allows.
We are cutting unnecessary red tape, and we are replacing
confusion with clear, straightforward language, so that everyday Americans don't
need a law degree just to understand their rights.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
And this did not happen in a vacuum.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
We listened to industry leaders, many of whom are in
this room behind me, to legal experts, in most importantly,
to law abiding gun owners across this country, people who
follow the rules but have been forced to navigate a
system that often didn't make sense. The package that we're
putting forward today and over the coming days reflects all
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of those voices. It includes thirty four proposed rules, more
than ATF has issued in the last fifteen years combined.
It reflects months of work since the beginning of this administration.
And I want to be candid right now about why
this is necessary. For too long, regulations were written without
any real understanding of how firearms businesses operate, how lawful
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gun owners actually handle their firearms are what truly improves
public safety. Nothing we are doing today weekends law enforcement.
We are not taking tools away from the people, the
men and women.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Who go after violent criminals.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
This administration, as it always has, remains fully committed to
targeting those who break the law, gang members, repeat offenders, traffickers,
and cartels. If anything, what we're doing today will actually
help law enforcement because clearer rules mean better compliance, and
better compliance means better enforcement. At the same time, it
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means fewer traps for law abiding citizens who are just
trying to do.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
The right thing.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
And here's where he got into the meat of it
and some of the things that we're going to benefit from.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
It reduces unnecessary burdens on lawful gun owners and licensed businesses.
It eliminates ambiguity, and it helps prevent the kind of
confusion that in the past and not that distant past,
led to inconsistent and sometimes unfair enforcement.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
For me, at least, listening to this presentation, it became
very clear that the people working on this understood what
the Biden administration had done to us and had done
to the Second Amendment. And how they'd been trying to
gut it and now these folks are trying to claw
that back. They got a lot of things to do,
but I really liked the shopping list of things that
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they're already working on.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
I'm going to let.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Rob lay off the specifics of what we're doing in
a moment, but let me reiterate that the Second Amendment
will never be treated as a second class right in
the Trump administration. President Trump has been clear on this
from day one. The Second Amendment is not negotiable. It
is part of the foundation of this great country. I
want to make sure folks understand that the work that
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we're talking about today is not finished today. We're continuing
to review every regulation, especially those from the previous administration,
and we'll keep putting forward additional proposals as that review continues.
For example, ATF is studying right now to determine which
rifles are generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
That's going to be an ongoing effort.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Over the next several months, and we're going to see
that through.
Speaker 7 (09:02):
You can tell just how excited and proud the Acting
ag was when he was introducing the new head of
the ATF.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
ROB is exactly the right person to lead ATF at
this moment.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
First, he owns more guns.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Than I think pretty much anyone I know. He's one
heck of a shot. I've seen him at the range.
I've shot with him at the range. It's a lot
better than me. But more importantly, he understands this work
inside and out. He understands the mission, and he understands
the importance of getting it right.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
So welcome please to the microphone.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
The newly confirmed director of the ATF ROB sicatam.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
All right. When we come back, we're going to have
some of the comments from the new head of the ATF.
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All right, look back on Tom Gresham and this is
Gun Talker. We have a lot of things to talk
about today, and we certainly will get to your range reports,
and you can give me a call at eight sixty six.
Talk gun. We'll get you in here. But last Wednesday,
we had a phenomenal news conference from the Department of
Justice where they announced the head of the ATF. The
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new director was just confirmed by the Senate literally minutes
before this press conference, and this new director, Robskada, he spoke,
he is a gun owner. He is a second amendmic guy.
It sure looks like. And it became very clear, very
quickly that they had been working on a lot of things.
They had dug into what the Biden administration had done.
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They had looked at a lot of the old regulations.
There were burdens not only on gun owners, but on
gun stores, gun dealers, and on manufacturers. He addresses a
lot of that. So we're going to jump right to it.
Here's the new director of the ATF.
Speaker 13 (13:31):
Today's a great day for ATF DOJ and a great
day for lawful gun owners and federal firearms licensees, and
a great day for all of America. I've been with
ATF for over twenty years, have never seen a regulatory
package of this skill. In fact, we were going to
be signing just about as many rules as have been
proposed during my entire twenty years with this agency. It
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was an immense amount of work, and I believe it's
moving the agency in the right direction.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
How do we get here?
Speaker 13 (13:57):
At the outset of this administration, we committed to a
new era of reform grounded in transparency, accountability, and partnership.
What you see today is that promise being kept. Over
the last year, we undertook a serious, sustained review looking
at court decisions, licensed feedback, statutory text. We reviewed our
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forms and and our requirements. In my time with ATF,
I have seen how regulation creep can come in like
a fog, creating vague and shifting tests and subjective interpretations
that lead to inconsistent enforcement practices and ultimately in erosion
of public trust. Today we are clearing the fog, restoring clarity, consistency,
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and predictability for all Americans.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
Then he got to the heart of the matter, what
we're actually going to get out of this package.
Speaker 13 (14:48):
In today's package, you will see thirty four clear common
sense regulations that rescind, modernize, or clarify language within the
National Firearms Act, the Gun Control Act, and more, proposing
to remove unnecessary hurdles that were standing in the way
of law abiding citizens and businesses. We are proposing to
restore clarity and predictability in our standards.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
We are beginning the response.
Speaker 13 (15:12):
We are beginning responsive to court orders that need that
our constituents needed for a clear, decisive instruction, so action
can be taken to rescind what didn't work. Here are
some key highlights the Stabilizing Brace rule, which came into
effect in twenty twenty three. That rule, formally we are
proposing to rescind. There are courts in multiple jurisdictions which
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we found violated the APA. They were enjoined or vacated
across the country. We believe that the common sense approach
to align regulatory texts with those judicial determinations, rather than
keeping them on the books as regulations would have already
been thrown out.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Engage in the Business, which came.
Speaker 13 (15:53):
Into effect in twenty twenty four, we are also formally
proposing to rescind the Engage in the Business rule. Believe
that the responsible regulatory governance requires adjusting the course when
evidence shows a rule has not worked as intended. The
ATF has found the changes to the definition of who
was engaged in business have not produced the outcomes needed
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to justify keeping the rule. As you'll see, today's proposed
rule retains definition of the engage in the business as
specifically revised and codified by Congress.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
No more, no less.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
Hey what a concept. Just have the LASS say exactly
what Congress passed, not what somebody at ATF thinks they
should have passed.
Speaker 13 (16:36):
We are also formally proposing modernizing our forms. One proposal
is to update the form forty four to seventy three
to ensure it keepspace with modern business practices like authorizing
the use of electronic forms, functions like auto population of fields,
and allowing people to attach digital files as attachments. We
also make minor technical revisions to shorten the form, thereby
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reducing the administrative burden on both.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
The FFLs and transferrees.
Speaker 13 (17:04):
Another proposal related to the forms is to allow FFLs
to generate and store its records, including its A and
D books records, and all forty four seventy three is
using an electronic record keeping system. This codeifis a practice
that the industry has used through a variance for years
and has been demonstrated to work very well. We also
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believe it supports law enforcement by allowing FFLs to more
easily respond to legitimate law enforcement trace.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Requests when asked.
Speaker 13 (17:33):
In our next steps, there are many more proposals and
the package that will follow this rule package. Some of
them are simple anchorage clarifications, others are much more comprehensive. Finally,
as Acting Attorney General, Blant shared, our.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Work is not done.
Speaker 13 (17:49):
While we are proud of our work that has been
done in getting us to this point, this isn't over.
The next step will be an open comment period where
we invite input on our proposed changes, our industry stakeholders,
law enforcement agencies, advocacy groups, and the general public. After
today's event, please visit our website atf dot gov to
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find out more about the proposals we are signing and
sending over to the Federal Register to be published.
Speaker 11 (18:15):
There, you will.
Speaker 13 (18:16):
Find information on how to submit comments via Regulations dot
gov and this Acting Attorney General Blanch share. Today is
just the first package of proposals to be released. We
will work closely with the Department of Justice to continue
to review our rules and ensure they are modernized, to
reflect the current practices, to adhere to court rulings, and
ultimately to reduce unnecessary burdens and lawmighting. I'm sorry, law
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abiding citizens and businesses.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
Hoy coal Man, that was impressive. That was the new
head of ath AT. The new Director of ath I
just confirmed by the Senate just minutes before the press
conference last Wednesday, they were announcing a thirty four point
plan or package of rules that they were changing, rules
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being the same as laws. And that's one of the
things that happens over at ATF. They issue a rule
that becomes law. You can be sent to prison for
violating a rule that Congress never passed. And they're looking
at and say, well, you know, Congress never actually said
that we need to get rid of that. Let's just
go back to what Congress passed instead of what some
of the people at ATF have decided. They should have said. Well,
they should have said this about bump stocks, they should
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have said this about braces, but they never did. So
you don't get to make the laws. And one of
the things you can't see with the audio, obviously is
during this price conference, unlike when Biden would do something
like this and had all of the members of the
gun band lobby back there, every town Mothers again, so
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on and on and on. This time they had representatives
from the major gun rights organizations, the NRA, ns SF,
Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Rights Policy Conference, on a GOA.
They were all there standing behind the Acting Attorney General
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and the new director of the ATF. IS they announced
these rule changes. So where do we go from here. Well,
they're going to propose these, they're going to get them finalized,
and then they published them in the Federal Register and
then there's a comment period, but these do not get
voted on by Congress. After the comment period, then ATF
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just says, Okay, we are now enacting the rule, and
I suspect that what will happen is the rules will
go into effect. And they really made the point over
and over again that look, this is just the start.
We're just getting started on undoing what Biden and Obama
and Bush and others did to gun owners and gun
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makers and gun sellers and to the Second Amendment itself.
And we're serious about this. I know, I know people
have kept saying, well, why haven't they done this? Why
you know BONDI this BONDI that. Well, body's gone. Okay,
whether she was the problem or not, I don't know,
don't care. She's gone. Oh ancient history, don't worry about it.
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We got new people in. We got a new ATF
head in. I don't know him, but the people who
do and who have been working with them for the
past more than a year now say this is a
completely different group, and they are saying good things about this.
So I have my fingers crossed. What's that phrase, cautiously optimistic,
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and I am exactly that. I think we're going to
see a lot more things happening changes in the forty
four to seventy three, probably being able to buy a
gun online using an electronic forty four to seventy three.
I mean, you can file your taxes electronically. Why couldn't
you do that? That would be a huge change. Maybe
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we can get rid of the whole idea that you
can't buy a handgun in another state. That comes from
a time when we didn't have electronic records to check.
There's no reason to have that restriction. Now there's a
whole lot more coming. We'll talk about that as we
go along. You're welcome to weigh in on this one.
My number here is eight sixty six Talk Gun or Tom,
Talk Guy Paulso we're going to be talking to one
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of the top female competitive shooters in the world. Fascinating
young lady. We'll have that coming up, and of course
you're arranging for us. Don't hesitate, give me a call.
It's always fun to talk with some of our friends
in the shooting world, and it is an interesting place.
(22:43):
It's a small community and you're run in the same
people over and over. And one of the professional shooters
we have been able to do some things with over
the years. Early on we were doing video with her
is Jayle's Williams, and she joined us. Right now. I
saw you at the NRA show. We didn't get a
chance to talk, but we said, hey, we got to
get together and do something because you well, first of all,
let's back up. You are a professional shooter. Let's just
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get that out of the way. And there are very
few people who are really full time professional shooters.
Speaker 14 (23:10):
Yes, sir, that is that's very true.
Speaker 15 (23:12):
I am very blessed to had to have had the
opportunity when I was so young to get into it
and really develop and create such an amazing career out
of it.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
How old were you when you started shooting?
Speaker 14 (23:28):
I was ten.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Now are you talk about shooting competitively or were you
shooting before that just for fun or with the family.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Oh, yes, I grew up.
Speaker 14 (23:37):
I mean I was four years old when I shot
my first gun.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
Yeah, it was fifty seven Marlon myself.
Speaker 14 (23:43):
That does stop.
Speaker 15 (23:44):
You chopped the buttstock off of it in order to
that fit us. But yeah, we we shot rifles and
shotguns for hunting.
Speaker 14 (23:55):
That is, that is what.
Speaker 15 (23:56):
We did growing up as a family is we hunted,
So that's what guns were for My parents. They didn't
even own handguns until we discovered the shooting sports and
we're like, yo, this sounds amazing, and that's when we
dove head on into handgun competitive shooting.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
Well, of course, a lot of people know you as
you know, the sisters, the Williams sisters, not the tennis
you know, Jay Lees and Justin. Of course, you guys
have been cheating competitively, as you say, since you were
ten or eleven and winning very soon after that. You
had an amazing coach and a great support staff in
the form of your family who takes care of everything
for you and still does.
Speaker 15 (24:34):
Yes, yes, I mean my parents and just us as
a family unit growing up and doing this career together.
We got to travel the country which we never would
have done without shooting. And we get to go I
mean even now internationally when I go to major matches
internationally and world shoots to these you know, really cool,
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amazing countries, I bring my parents. It's with me because
they were with me from the very start and they've
supported me the whole time. I love taking them with
me to these great triumphs.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
I mean, you're winning gold medals all over the world.
Just give folks an idea over the last couple of years,
not just in the US, but where you have been
out of the country shooting.
Speaker 15 (25:21):
Oh goodness, See there's Jamaica, Chersaw, Thailand, Czech Republic, Finland.
Speaker 14 (25:31):
Oh, I'm missing one.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
No, I'm missing one of South Africa.
Speaker 15 (25:35):
And this year I'm going to Greece twice and Sweden.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
So what are you doing in Greece and Sweden?
Speaker 6 (25:43):
So in Sweden, Sweden's really cool.
Speaker 15 (25:46):
I got an invitation to the Bretta Cup five hundred.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
It's really cool. I'm so excited.
Speaker 15 (25:53):
It's a pistol It's an international pistol match.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
So I'm going to be shooting that this summer. So
excited for that.
Speaker 15 (25:59):
And I'm going to Greece twice because I'm currently training
for the Shotgun World shoot in Greece in September, so
I'll be in Greece for that, but prior to September.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
In oh I'm looking at my calendar.
Speaker 14 (26:13):
Right now at the end of June, they're.
Speaker 15 (26:15):
Having a test match at the range that is hosting
World Shoot in Greece, and it's a shotgun match. So
me and a couple of friends are, you know, going
to fly out there get kind of like the lay
of the land of what we're kind of going to
be expecting from Shotgun World Shoot to be.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Better prepared and more trained up for it.
Speaker 15 (26:37):
So we are so excited to be doing that, and
I'm covering.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
It all with video and everything we can watch it.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
I want to talk about your video just a second,
but I gather just as we're talking right now, you're
leaving in a day or two for a rifle shoot somewhere.
Speaker 15 (26:52):
Yes, I'm one of the few people that kind of
does it all. A handgun, rifle, PCC, shotgun.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
I have my hands in all of them.
Speaker 15 (27:02):
But yes, I'm tomorrow I leave for a Rifle World
Shoot qualifier for rifle of course. So this is really
cool because it's an ar you know, fifteen platform and everything.
I will be shooting my cold It is just I
did some adjustments over the past few days and it
is shooting absolutely beautifully, and I'm really trying to qualify
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high enough to be on.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
The Ladies Open team.
Speaker 14 (27:31):
So it's like the most competitive division and rifle.
Speaker 15 (27:35):
So I'm very excited to get my first qualifier under
my belt, get those scores in and make that team.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
Okay, let's switch to pistols for a second, because I
know that you shoot cold pistols, and you know, I've
seen you rock nineteen elevens a lot, and there are
people who will say, you know what, oh, yes, nineteen elevens.
You know those are old fashioned? Why wouldnybody want that?
And I'm thinking, yeah, this is a young lady. You
ought to see her shoot at nineteen eleven. But you
shoot all the pistols I do.
Speaker 15 (28:01):
I shoot a bunch of different pistols, but the nineteen
eleven is definitely.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
It's definitely my favorite.
Speaker 14 (28:07):
It just feels like home to me.
Speaker 15 (28:09):
You know, It's what I grew up shooting, and it's
what I absolutely love. Because what people don't understand in
the competitive shooting world is with all these high cap
magazines and stuff, everybody when they enter a stage is
basically having and shooting the same stage plan, so they're
not using a lot of strategy, whereas in single stack
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there is so much strategy that goes into it. It
is more than just raw shooting. And I love that
aspect of single stack.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
So what's the strategy you've figured out? Where are you're
going to do your reload?
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Yes, where you're going to do your reloads? If you're
going to shoot.
Speaker 15 (28:46):
Major power Factor or Minor power Factor because Minor power
Factor you can have ten rounds in your magazine, whereas
in Major Power Factor you can only have eight. So
with Major minor power Factor, are you going to sacrifice
points with minor? Or are you going to sacrifice time
with major because you're going to have to do more reloads?
Like that aspect is incredible to me to try and
(29:10):
figure out, like because each match is its own match,
it's completely different. So you can show up with a
major gun and a minor gun, walk the stages.
Speaker 14 (29:18):
And decide day of this is what is best for
this match.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
Okay, you know I'm laughing here because you are so young,
and what you've just described is what we have been
talking about for the last eighty years, which is nine
millimeters versus forty five, Same old, same old. All right,
So you're doing all the shooting and your professor's shooter.
You're sponsored and now you have this video outlet where
(29:43):
you're doing training for people talk about that.
Speaker 14 (29:45):
Yes, So I own my own training company and I can't.
Speaker 15 (29:49):
I realized, like I get all these requests to go
to different parts of the country to teach classes, and
I realized, I can't get to.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
Everybody out there.
Speaker 14 (29:58):
It is impossible to to teach everybody.
Speaker 15 (30:01):
But what I can do is have an a media
outlet to show people exactly what I teach in my
classes so that they can help teach themselves. So I
have my own YouTube. It's Jaylee's William Shooting and right
now we are going over handgun. So we went through
(30:21):
the fundamentals dry fire at home, and now we're taking
it out to the range. And now we're even going
further into handgun shooting, specifically the movement and the reloads
and all.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
Those different aspects.
Speaker 15 (30:36):
So it's not just for competitive shooters because there's so
much fundamentals that go into it.
Speaker 14 (30:42):
It's great for every day you can still carry, it's.
Speaker 15 (30:45):
Great for planking, it's great for competitive shooting, it's great
for everything because we're going through its step by step
and I'm very proud of it.
Speaker 7 (30:56):
One of the things that I get frustrated with that's
gonna bounce it off of you. Is when I'm talking
to people, I say, you know, you really need to
get training. They say, yeah, look we go out, we train,
we shoot at the range all the time. And I said, no, no, no,
if there's no instructor present, it's not training. That's practice right.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
Right, right right? No, I completely agree, and.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
You practice the things you learn under training. But if
you haven't any training, and I'm sure you see this
with students, they're just sitting there grooving bad habits right.
Speaker 15 (31:25):
Right, Which is why I thought about, you know, doing
this video platform. That way they can watch the video
while they're at the range and try and recreate what
we're what I'm teaching on the videos and apply it
to themselves and learn how to self diagnose themselves and
fix the issues that they're having.
Speaker 14 (31:45):
Or just be a better shooter in general.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
All right. I know it's hard to do this like
over the radio. It's like trying to coach somebody over
the phone. But if you say, okay, I need to
tell you two things that will help your shooting, what
would they be?
Speaker 6 (31:59):
I would say?
Speaker 15 (32:00):
So for me, this is something I learned a couple
of years ago. That absolutely changed my shooting for me.
I have very small hands, and so it's hard to
reach triggers on guns because I my hands haven't grown
in ten years. So what I figured out is if
I got a very short trigger in my gun and
I can pull my finger away from the gun and
(32:23):
not have it flat against the gun, my groups all
of a sudden tightened up.
Speaker 14 (32:28):
I stopped shooting left because I'm right handed.
Speaker 15 (32:32):
I stopped pushing my finger against the gun while I
was pulling the trigger. So getting that short trigger and
then creating almost like a ninety degree angle in my
finger to pull the trigger straight back, I mean it
tightened up my shooting like crazy.
Speaker 7 (32:48):
Otherwise, if you're having to reach for the trigger when
you press the trigger, your acts your fingers actually moving
to the left while it's coming back right.
Speaker 15 (32:58):
Yeah, and your fingers against the gun, and so it's
it's actively pushing.
Speaker 14 (33:02):
The gun as you're pulling the trigger. Sure, which just
creates so many issues.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
With nineteen eleven. You can get different Lenk triggers.
Speaker 15 (33:10):
Yes, that's a great thing about like nineteen elevens and
ars and everything is that they've been.
Speaker 14 (33:15):
Around for so long.
Speaker 15 (33:16):
There's an insurmountable amount of aftermarket parts that you can
create the gun that is meant and best for you.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
Okay, all right, so you got your video thing going,
you got your traveling the world shooting with Petiley. What
else are you doing these days?
Speaker 6 (33:33):
I'm not doing much anything else.
Speaker 14 (33:34):
I mean, I'm I'm a.
Speaker 15 (33:36):
Little old lady in my heart at night to kind
of like calm down from the.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Crazy days I have.
Speaker 14 (33:43):
I've picked up needle points.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
It's very wait wait wait wait, you're barely past twenty
years old.
Speaker 15 (33:50):
I know, I know, but no, needle point is so
much fun and you get to be so precise with it,
which you know me, of course, I like being precise
and clean and everything. So you know, that's me and
my shooting life. That's just me in my regular life.
So this is a really great outlet to do it.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
Yeah, you never seeks to amaze me. Jay Lys is amazing.
For your training. Where do we go for my training?
Speaker 5 (34:17):
It's on YouTube?
Speaker 14 (34:18):
So it's Jamie's william shooting on YouTube.
Speaker 7 (34:20):
Okay, James Williams shooting on YouTube? Got it?
Speaker 6 (34:23):
Yes?
Speaker 15 (34:24):
Yes, And there I have my training stuff on there
for people to see and learn. But I also cover
a bunch of matches I shoot and international matches, so
they get to, you know, see what a world shoot
actually looks like and feels like and everything that goes
into that as well well.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
And I will just add that they also get to
know you. A delightful young lady with a wonderful family.
We've known your family and you and your sister for
a long time and it's a real pleasure to be
able to catch up with you and find out what's
going on.
Speaker 15 (34:54):
Yes, sir, thank you so much for having me on.
I always enjoy hearing from you and seeing from you.
I wish I would have had more time to see
you at NRA.
Speaker 7 (35:02):
I know we'll catch up somewhere along. Well, it'll have
to probably be shot show because between now and then,
all you're going to be doing is going all around
the world. And she does That's what she does. She
goes all over the world. Jay Lee's Williams just a delight,
a real pleasure. Like I said, we started shooting video
with them, the Williams sisters, she had the shooting ones.
(35:23):
They were probably twelve, twelve and thirteen when we started
shooting video with them. So yeah, we've known them a
long time, really good shooters. Okay, I do want to
get this out right now while I can, because you's
it's highly unlikely you would be able to do this. Okay,
but just in case, a bucket list item just opened up.
(35:45):
I'm sitting here looking across the studio and I've got
big piles of stuff going to Gunsight. I'll be taking
a class there a week from tomorrow. We start. That
would be Monday the eleventh, and this is the Jeff
Cooper Anniversary nineteen eleven, two fifty class. It's on the
(36:05):
anniversary of the of Jeff Cooper's birthday. He was the founder,
of course, of Gunsight, actually the founder of the modern
technique of the pistol what we consider to be modern
pistol shooting and gun fighting using two hands. He's the
guy that got all that started. So they're having this
class and it's I say, it's kind of like our
(36:26):
classic car rally because we're using nineteen elevens iron sights
and leather holsters. Well, here's the deal. We had a
group going, six of us. The two had to pull
out for various reasons, so we've got two openings. Look,
I'm not connected to this in any form of fashion.
I don't have any financial connection to it at all.
I'm just going and taking the class, taking some friends.
But there are two openings. They may have more than that,
(36:47):
I don't know, but there are at least two openings
for this and it is a week from tomorrow. And yeah,
I get it. It's it's in Arizona and maybole to
require upsetting your schedule and everything else, But it is
in fact buck get less item. If anybody's been there
can tell you about that. If by any chance you
had an idea that you would want to go, I
would suggest going to the gun Side website g U
(37:10):
n si te dot com or maybe even smarter give
them a call at nine too eight six three six
forty five sixty five nine to eight six three six
four or five sixty five. Also next week, a week
from today, I'll be doing a live show from Gunsite
on in fact, Jeff Cooper's birthday, So we're gonna have
to people from Gunsite, some of the gun related companies
(37:33):
from around that area. And it's kind of a miniature
gun Valley, if you will. The original Gun Valley was
up in New England area where a lot of the
gun makers started one hundred and fifty years ago, almost
two hundred years ago, primarily because that's where there was
water available to power plants. Kind of interesting way that
all developed. And now you've got these miniature areas that
(37:57):
gun makers pop up in, and that Prescott, Arizona area
is certainly one. Bruger's got a major factory there. Actually,
weirdly enough, Boise the Idaho is starting to become that
in North Idaho up around Cordeline starting to do that
as well. Number of smaller companies whether they're holster makers
or makers or barrels or whatever. You just never know.
(38:18):
There are a lot of people getting into making guns
and accessories. So there you go. So if you had
any interest in going to Gunsight and doing this crazy
nineteen eleven class, by all means take a look at that.
We will have more reports on that as to go along,
but it's going to be a lot of fun. I'm
really looking forward to that. I have two pistols ready
to go, the primary in the backup, and then you know,
(38:41):
I got two pistols from the guns like gunsmith, and
one of them is just having post operation difficulties. So
we're gonna take it back and say all right, it
needs a little bit more work. And that's one of
the nice things about working with quality people. They'll go, yeah, okay,
we'll take care of it, and it'll get picked and
it's just fine. I have two really good functioning nineteen
(39:02):
elevens in forty five. Yeah, I'm going to shoot the old,
big fat slow forty five. So there you go. No
comments about me being big fat and slow. We don't
allow that. Well sometimes anyway, if you want to be
a part of this, give me a call eight sixty
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Gun Talk will be right back. All right, that went
(39:28):
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As I said, I'll get ready to head down to
Arizona and do some training there. I figured out some
years ago, I really like training, I like learning. I
like going to gun schools. I started making a list.
It was kind of crazy. SEG Academy, Smith and West Academy,
(39:50):
Shoot Right Academy, Tack Pro in Texas. Obviously our range
Ready studios which we have down Louisiana currently operating Fire's
Acade MEF Seattle Thunder Ranch, a few others along the way,
and then shot with a number of the top shooters
and just getting lessons here and there. I just enjoy it.
I'm I am not competition level shooter, never claim to be.
(40:15):
I don't shoot in competitions. And people say, well, you know,
what are your splits? I don't know. I don't do that.
I'm just trying to get better. From a defensive standpoint,
Can I draw and shoot? Move? Can I draw, shoot,
move and communicate? Do I tune that up? And by practice?
Will it be enough if I need it for a
self defense situation? There is no way to know. But
(40:38):
being better it's got to be an improvement over being worse.
I mean basically, it's for the definition of the work better.
So I try to be better. I try to work
on it. Besides that, and you know, we could try
to justify to any way we want to. But this
stuff is fun. Going to take it a class like this,
It's just fun around a bunch of people who, for
(41:02):
the most part think the way you do, for the
most part, have similar values. We're all handling guns safely.
At guns like, for instance, it's a hot range it's
not a case of unloads your gun. When you're done
with the stage, you simply put the gun back in
your holester and don't touch it. It's loaded. Everybody else
is wearing a loaded gun. When you go to lunch,
everybody's wearing a loaded gun. When you go an administration building,
(41:27):
the administration people are all wearing loaded guns. It's just
what it is, and we're all smart enough to not
pull them out and do something stupid with them. Okay,
we have really good instruction there. It'll be fun. So
I mean again, if you get a chance, if you
last minute, totally last minute, if you decide I wanted
to go in a week from tomorrow, starting on May eleven,
(41:48):
we're going to do the two fifty class there. And look,
if you can't make the nineteen eleven two fifty class,
you can make another class there, or you can go
down to gun Braves Ready Studios. I'm gonna be going
down there in June. Yeah, got it's next month. Now, Wow,
we're gonna be doing an event with a major gun
maker announcing a new product. We do a number of
(42:09):
these events there where gun makers come in and they
bring in some of the media and do an announcement.
Usually it's embargoed for a period of time before people
can release it and talk about it, so I won't
be able to talk about the gun we're shooting there
at least until they release it and say okay, hey
(42:29):
can do that. But it'll be fine. We'll get to
shoot some and you know, I'm a real big fan
of OPA. Other people's AMMO get to go shoot there,
and occasionally we actually open these things up to the
public where you can go shoot and what is essentially
a media event where the gun media gets to go
(42:51):
and you might have to sign an NDA it says
I can't talk about this new gun that I got
to shoot at this thing. Sometimes you even get to
keep the new gun. Yeah, Actually part of the enrollment
is you get to keep the new gun and the
animos provided and the hosters are provided and some other stuff.
So if that interests you, by all means, go over
to range Ready Studios, take a look there and sign
(43:14):
up for the newsletter. Because those classes sell out in
days what's the're announced, So if you go back and
check like once a month, you'll miss out on those
range Ready Studios dot com. So that's what I have
been doing. Love to know what you have been doing. Also,
you know me. I like to read. I like to
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guns and shooting and shooters. Sometimes fiction, sometimes nonfiction. Coming up,
(43:40):
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Speaker 4 (00:51):
The Second Amendment will never be treated as a second
class right in the Trump administration.
Speaker 5 (00:58):
The Second Amendment is.
Speaker 6 (00:59):
Not in a.
Speaker 7 (01:01):
Wow wow wow. What a statement coming from the acting
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gun talk dot com. This week, when he was announcing
that we have a new director of the ATF and
also a thirty four point plan of reforms for gun
(01:44):
control laws in the US, there was a lot going on,
and he basically spelled out who our new director was
of ATF and also what's going on. There's a lot
for us to cover. I want to make sure we
get this. But this is Todd Blant, the acting US
Attorney General. And then we'll have the new director of
(02:06):
the ATF speaking, and his name is Rob Zakata. All right,
here is Acting Attorneys General Todd Blench.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
A little bit about Rob in case you don't know.
He began his law enforcement career with the New York
City Police Department in nineteen ninety two, starting in the
Housing Bureau in Harlem, he moved around. He was promoted
to detective and the Organized Crime Bureau's Gang Division. Later
continued his public service with the City of Plantation Police
(02:36):
Department in Broward County, Florida, serving in patrol operations on
the SWAT team, and then in two thousand and five,
so over twenty years ago, Rob joined ATF as a
special agent in the Baltimore Field Division, where he was
assigned to the Regional Area Gang Enforcement Task Force combating
transnational organized crime.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
He later served as a.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Special agent in the Tampa Field Divis, investigating violent crimes
involving firearms and explosives, and continuing working his way up
through the ATF ranks over the two decades. Eventually he
was promoted to SES at ATF and he was a
special Asent in charge of the Baltimore Field Division, where
he oversaw operations across Maryland and Delaware. Subsequently, he was
(03:22):
a Specializing in Charge in Miami where he oversaw twenty
one offices throughout Southern Florida, Puerto Rico, and the US
Virgin Islands. After that, Rob returned to ATF headquarters as
a Deputy Assistant Director for Field Operations. He was then
promoted again to Executive Assistant Director of Operations and then
(03:43):
just over one year ago today, on April tenth, twenty
twenty five, Rob was named the Deputy Director of ATF,
a role that he has served in through today and
right now he's in that middle spot where he is
the confirmed director of ATF but commissioned signed, so I
think still technically deputy director, but we're fine. So look
(04:06):
so from patrol officer to federal agent to specializing in charge,
Rob has committed his entire life to serving the public
and protecting communities nationwide. It is fitting in my mind
that the first action Rob is going to take today
(04:26):
in his new role is to sign the most comprehensive
regulatory reform package in the history of ATF. I want
to thank President Donald Trump for putting us on this
path on January twentieth of last year. His leadership made
this moment possible. His executive order directing a full review
(04:47):
of ATF regulations set the tone clear, direct and focused
on the Constitution. And I want to thank him for
his leadership.
Speaker 5 (04:57):
It's been over a year, but we're ready to get
a roll.
Speaker 7 (05:01):
Todd Blanche then went on to explain the other part. Yes,
they were introducing the new head of the ATF, and
Blanche was certainly excited about that. But then he went
on to start to explain what is being done and
what they have been working on. And I know, look,
a lot of people have been saying, why haven't we
seen more improvement? Why haven't we seen this? Why hasn't
(05:22):
the Department Justice done that? It takes a while, and
there's a lot to be done. They got a thirty
four point plan. There's more to come, and he started
to spell out a little bit of it here.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
We're repealing rules that went beyond what the law allows.
We are cutting unnecessary red tape, and we are replacing
confusion with clear, straightforward language, so that everyday Americans don't
need a law degree just to understand their rights.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
And this did not happen in a vacuum.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
We listened to industry leaders, many of whom are in
this room behind me, to legal experts, in most importantly,
to law abiding gun owners across this country, people who
follow the rules but have been forced to navigate a
system that often didn't make sense. The package that we're
putting forward today and over the coming days reflects all
(06:15):
of those voices. It includes thirty four proposed rules, more
than ATF has issued in the last fifteen years combined.
It reflects months of work since the beginning of this administration.
And I want to be candid right now about why
this is necessary. For too long, regulations were written without
any real understanding of how firearms businesses operate, how lawful
(06:39):
gun owners actually handle their firearms are what truly improves
public safety. Nothing we are doing today weekends law enforcement.
We are not taking tools away from the people, the
men and women.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
Who go after violent criminals.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
This administration, as it always has, remains fully committed to
targeting those who break the law, gang members, repeat offenders, traffickers,
and cartels. If anything, what we're doing today will actually
help law enforcement because clearer rules mean better compliance, and
better compliance means better enforcement. At the same time, it
(07:17):
means fewer traps for law abiding citizens who are just
trying to do.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
The right thing.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
And here's where he got into the meat of it
and some of the things that we're going to benefit from.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
It reduces unnecessary burdens on lawful gun owners and licensed businesses.
It eliminates ambiguity, and it helps prevent the kind of
confusion that in the past and not that distant past,
led to inconsistent and sometimes unfair enforcement.
Speaker 7 (07:44):
For me, at least, listening to this presentation, it became
very clear that the people working on this understood what
the Biden administration had done to us and had done
to the Second Amendment. And how they'd been trying to
gut it and now these folks are trying to claw
that back. They got a lot of things to do,
but I really liked the shopping list of things that
(08:07):
they're already working on.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
I'm going to let.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
Rob lay off the specifics of what we're doing in
a moment, but let me reiterate that the Second Amendment
will never be treated as a second class right in
the Trump administration. President Trump has been clear on this
from day one. The Second Amendment is not negotiable. It
is part of the foundation of this great country. I
want to make sure folks understand that the work that
(08:31):
we're talking about today is not finished today. We're continuing
to review every regulation, especially those from the previous administration,
and we'll keep putting forward additional proposals as that review continues.
For example, ATF is studying right now to determine which
rifles are generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes.
Speaker 5 (08:56):
That's going to be an ongoing effort.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Over the next several months, and we're going to see
that through.
Speaker 7 (09:02):
You can tell just how excited and proud the Acting
ag was when he was introducing the new head of
the ATF.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
ROB is exactly the right person to lead ATF at
this moment.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
First, he owns more guns.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Than I think pretty much anyone I know. He's one
heck of a shot. I've seen him at the range.
I've shot with him at the range. It's a lot
better than me. But more importantly, he understands this work
inside and out. He understands the mission, and he understands
the importance of getting it right.
Speaker 5 (09:39):
So welcome please to the microphone.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
The newly confirmed director of the ATF ROB sicatam.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
All right. When we come back, we're going to have
some of the comments from the new head of the ATF.
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Speaker 12 (11:59):
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Precision Rifle is built for the long game, match grade accuracy,
fully adjustable chassis, and built to last a lifetime. This
isn't just another long range gun. It's a system engineered
to go along, shoot tight and own the podium. Whether
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it's paper, steel or out past one thousand, You've got
the tool, the Ruger Precision Rifle miles ahead.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
All right, look back on Tom Gresham and this is
Gun Talker. We have a lot of things to talk
about today, and we certainly will get to your range reports,
and you can give me a call at eight sixty six.
Talk gun. We'll get you in here. But last Wednesday,
we had a phenomenal news conference from the Department of
Justice where they announced the head of the ATF. The
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new director was just confirmed by the Senate literally minutes
before this press conference, and this new director, Robskada, he spoke,
he is a gun owner. He is a second amendmic guy.
It sure looks like. And it became very clear, very
quickly that they had been working on a lot of things.
They had dug into what the Biden administration had done.
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They had looked at a lot of the old regulations.
There were burdens not only on gun owners, but on
gun stores, gun dealers, and on manufacturers. He addresses a
lot of that. So we're going to jump right to it.
Here's the new director of the ATF.
Speaker 13 (13:31):
Today's a great day for ATF DOJ and a great
day for lawful gun owners and federal firearms licensees, and
a great day for all of America. I've been with
ATF for over twenty years, have never seen a regulatory
package of this skill. In fact, we were going to
be signing just about as many rules as have been
proposed during my entire twenty years with this agency. It
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was an immense amount of work, and I believe it's
moving the agency in the right direction.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
How do we get here?
Speaker 13 (13:57):
At the outset of this administration, we committed to a
new era of reform grounded in transparency, accountability, and partnership.
What you see today is that promise being kept. Over
the last year, we undertook a serious, sustained review looking
at court decisions, licensed feedback, statutory text. We reviewed our
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forms and and our requirements. In my time with ATF,
I have seen how regulation creep can come in like
a fog, creating vague and shifting tests and subjective interpretations
that lead to inconsistent enforcement practices and ultimately in erosion
of public trust. Today we are clearing the fog, restoring clarity, consistency,
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and predictability for all Americans.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
Then he got to the heart of the matter, what
we're actually going to get out of this package.
Speaker 13 (14:48):
In today's package, you will see thirty four clear common
sense regulations that rescind, modernize, or clarify language within the
National Firearms Act, the Gun Control Act, and more, proposing
to remove unnecessary hurdles that were standing in the way
of law abiding citizens and businesses. We are proposing to
restore clarity and predictability in our standards.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
We are beginning the response.
Speaker 13 (15:12):
We are beginning responsive to court orders that need that
our constituents needed for a clear, decisive instruction, so action
can be taken to rescind what didn't work. Here are
some key highlights the Stabilizing Brace rule, which came into
effect in twenty twenty three. That rule, formally we are
proposing to rescind. There are courts in multiple jurisdictions which
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we found violated the APA. They were enjoined or vacated
across the country. We believe that the common sense approach
to align regulatory texts with those judicial determinations, rather than
keeping them on the books as regulations would have already
been thrown out.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Engage in the Business, which came.
Speaker 13 (15:53):
Into effect in twenty twenty four, we are also formally
proposing to rescind the Engage in the Business rule. Believe
that the responsible regulatory governance requires adjusting the course when
evidence shows a rule has not worked as intended. The
ATF has found the changes to the definition of who
was engaged in business have not produced the outcomes needed
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to justify keeping the rule. As you'll see, today's proposed
rule retains definition of the engage in the business as
specifically revised and codified by Congress.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
No more, no less.
Speaker 7 (16:27):
Hey what a concept. Just have the LASS say exactly
what Congress passed, not what somebody at ATF thinks they
should have passed.
Speaker 13 (16:36):
We are also formally proposing modernizing our forms. One proposal
is to update the form forty four to seventy three
to ensure it keepspace with modern business practices like authorizing
the use of electronic forms, functions like auto population of fields,
and allowing people to attach digital files as attachments. We
also make minor technical revisions to shorten the form, thereby
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reducing the administrative burden on both.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
The FFLs and transferrees.
Speaker 13 (17:04):
Another proposal related to the forms is to allow FFLs
to generate and store its records, including its A and
D books records, and all forty four seventy three is
using an electronic record keeping system. This codeifis a practice
that the industry has used through a variance for years
and has been demonstrated to work very well. We also
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believe it supports law enforcement by allowing FFLs to more
easily respond to legitimate law enforcement trace.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
Requests when asked.
Speaker 13 (17:33):
In our next steps, there are many more proposals and
the package that will follow this rule package. Some of
them are simple anchorage clarifications, others are much more comprehensive. Finally,
as Acting Attorney General, Blant shared, our.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
Work is not done.
Speaker 13 (17:49):
While we are proud of our work that has been
done in getting us to this point, this isn't over.
The next step will be an open comment period where
we invite input on our proposed changes, our industry stakeholders,
law enforcement agencies, advocacy groups, and the general public. After
today's event, please visit our website atf dot gov to
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find out more about the proposals we are signing and
sending over to the Federal Register to be published.
Speaker 11 (18:15):
There, you will.
Speaker 13 (18:16):
Find information on how to submit comments via Regulations dot
gov and this Acting Attorney General Blanch share. Today is
just the first package of proposals to be released. We
will work closely with the Department of Justice to continue
to review our rules and ensure they are modernized, to
reflect the current practices, to adhere to court rulings, and
ultimately to reduce unnecessary burdens and lawmighting. I'm sorry, law
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abiding citizens and businesses.
Speaker 7 (18:41):
Hoy coal Man, that was impressive. That was the new
head of ath AT. The new Director of ath I
just confirmed by the Senate just minutes before the press
conference last Wednesday, they were announcing a thirty four point
plan or package of rules that they were changing, rules
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being the same as laws. And that's one of the
things that happens over at ATF. They issue a rule
that becomes law. You can be sent to prison for
violating a rule that Congress never passed. And they're looking
at and say, well, you know, Congress never actually said
that we need to get rid of that. Let's just
go back to what Congress passed instead of what some
of the people at ATF have decided. They should have said. Well,
they should have said this about bump stocks, they should
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have said this about braces, but they never did. So
you don't get to make the laws. And one of
the things you can't see with the audio, obviously is
during this price conference, unlike when Biden would do something
like this and had all of the members of the
gun band lobby back there, every town Mothers again, so
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on and on and on. This time they had representatives
from the major gun rights organizations, the NRA, ns SF,
Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Rights Policy Conference, on a GOA.
They were all there standing behind the Acting Attorney General
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and the new director of the ATF. IS they announced
these rule changes. So where do we go from here. Well,
they're going to propose these, they're going to get them finalized,
and then they published them in the Federal Register and
then there's a comment period, but these do not get
voted on by Congress. After the comment period, then ATF
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just says, Okay, we are now enacting the rule, and
I suspect that what will happen is the rules will
go into effect. And they really made the point over
and over again that look, this is just the start.
We're just getting started on undoing what Biden and Obama
and Bush and others did to gun owners and gun
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makers and gun sellers and to the Second Amendment itself.
And we're serious about this. I know, I know people
have kept saying, well, why haven't they done this? Why
you know BONDI this BONDI that. Well, body's gone. Okay,
whether she was the problem or not, I don't know,
don't care. She's gone. Oh ancient history, don't worry about it.
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We got new people in. We got a new ATF
head in. I don't know him, but the people who
do and who have been working with them for the
past more than a year now say this is a
completely different group, and they are saying good things about this.
So I have my fingers crossed. What's that phrase, cautiously optimistic,
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and I am exactly that. I think we're going to
see a lot more things happening changes in the forty
four to seventy three, probably being able to buy a
gun online using an electronic forty four to seventy three.
I mean, you can file your taxes electronically. Why couldn't
you do that? That would be a huge change. Maybe
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we can get rid of the whole idea that you
can't buy a handgun in another state. That comes from
a time when we didn't have electronic records to check.
There's no reason to have that restriction. Now there's a
whole lot more coming. We'll talk about that as we
go along. You're welcome to weigh in on this one.
My number here is eight sixty six Talk Gun or Tom,
Talk Guy Paulso we're going to be talking to one
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of the top female competitive shooters in the world. Fascinating
young lady. We'll have that coming up, and of course
you're arranging for us. Don't hesitate, give me a call.
It's always fun to talk with some of our friends
in the shooting world, and it is an interesting place.
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It's a small community and you're run in the same
people over and over. And one of the professional shooters
we have been able to do some things with over
the years. Early on we were doing video with her
is Jayle's Williams, and she joined us. Right now. I
saw you at the NRA show. We didn't get a
chance to talk, but we said, hey, we got to
get together and do something because you well, first of all,
let's back up. You are a professional shooter. Let's just
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get that out of the way. And there are very
few people who are really full time professional shooters.
Speaker 14 (23:10):
Yes, sir, that is that's very true.
Speaker 15 (23:12):
I am very blessed to had to have had the
opportunity when I was so young to get into it
and really develop and create such an amazing career out
of it.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
How old were you when you started shooting?
Speaker 14 (23:28):
I was ten.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
Now are you talk about shooting competitively or were you
shooting before that just for fun or with the family.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Oh, yes, I grew up.
Speaker 14 (23:37):
I mean I was four years old when I shot
my first gun.
Speaker 6 (23:40):
Yeah, it was fifty seven Marlon myself.
Speaker 14 (23:43):
That does stop.
Speaker 15 (23:44):
You chopped the buttstock off of it in order to
that fit us. But yeah, we we shot rifles and
shotguns for hunting.
Speaker 14 (23:55):
That is, that is what.
Speaker 15 (23:56):
We did growing up as a family is we hunted,
So that's what guns were for My parents. They didn't
even own handguns until we discovered the shooting sports and
we're like, yo, this sounds amazing, and that's when we
dove head on into handgun competitive shooting.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
Well, of course, a lot of people know you as
you know, the sisters, the Williams sisters, not the tennis
you know, Jay Lees and Justin. Of course, you guys
have been cheating competitively, as you say, since you were
ten or eleven and winning very soon after that. You
had an amazing coach and a great support staff in
the form of your family who takes care of everything
for you and still does.
Speaker 15 (24:34):
Yes, yes, I mean my parents and just us as
a family unit growing up and doing this career together.
We got to travel the country which we never would
have done without shooting. And we get to go I
mean even now internationally when I go to major matches
internationally and world shoots to these you know, really cool,
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amazing countries, I bring my parents. It's with me because
they were with me from the very start and they've
supported me the whole time. I love taking them with
me to these great triumphs.
Speaker 7 (25:10):
I mean, you're winning gold medals all over the world.
Just give folks an idea over the last couple of years,
not just in the US, but where you have been
out of the country shooting.
Speaker 15 (25:21):
Oh goodness, See there's Jamaica, Chersaw, Thailand, Czech Republic, Finland.
Speaker 14 (25:31):
Oh, I'm missing one.
Speaker 6 (25:32):
No, I'm missing one of South Africa.
Speaker 15 (25:35):
And this year I'm going to Greece twice and Sweden.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
So what are you doing in Greece and Sweden?
Speaker 6 (25:43):
So in Sweden, Sweden's really cool.
Speaker 15 (25:46):
I got an invitation to the Bretta Cup five hundred.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
It's really cool. I'm so excited.
Speaker 15 (25:53):
It's a pistol It's an international pistol match.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
So I'm going to be shooting that this summer. So
excited for that.
Speaker 15 (25:59):
And I'm going to Greece twice because I'm currently training
for the Shotgun World shoot in Greece in September, so
I'll be in Greece for that, but prior to September.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
In oh I'm looking at my calendar.
Speaker 14 (26:13):
Right now at the end of June, they're.
Speaker 15 (26:15):
Having a test match at the range that is hosting
World Shoot in Greece, and it's a shotgun match. So
me and a couple of friends are, you know, going
to fly out there get kind of like the lay
of the land of what we're kind of going to
be expecting from Shotgun World Shoot to be.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Better prepared and more trained up for it.
Speaker 15 (26:37):
So we are so excited to be doing that, and
I'm covering.
Speaker 6 (26:41):
It all with video and everything we can watch it.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
I want to talk about your video just a second,
but I gather just as we're talking right now, you're
leaving in a day or two for a rifle shoot somewhere.
Speaker 15 (26:52):
Yes, I'm one of the few people that kind of
does it all. A handgun, rifle, PCC, shotgun.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
I have my hands in all of them.
Speaker 15 (27:02):
But yes, I'm tomorrow I leave for a Rifle World
Shoot qualifier for rifle of course. So this is really
cool because it's an ar you know, fifteen platform and everything.
I will be shooting my cold It is just I
did some adjustments over the past few days and it
is shooting absolutely beautifully, and I'm really trying to qualify
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high enough to be on.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
The Ladies Open team.
Speaker 14 (27:31):
So it's like the most competitive division and rifle.
Speaker 15 (27:35):
So I'm very excited to get my first qualifier under
my belt, get those scores in and make that team.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
Okay, let's switch to pistols for a second, because I
know that you shoot cold pistols, and you know, I've
seen you rock nineteen elevens a lot, and there are
people who will say, you know what, oh, yes, nineteen elevens.
You know those are old fashioned? Why wouldnybody want that?
And I'm thinking, yeah, this is a young lady. You
ought to see her shoot at nineteen eleven. But you
shoot all the pistols I do.
Speaker 15 (28:01):
I shoot a bunch of different pistols, but the nineteen
eleven is definitely.
Speaker 6 (28:06):
It's definitely my favorite.
Speaker 14 (28:07):
It just feels like home to me.
Speaker 15 (28:09):
You know, It's what I grew up shooting, and it's
what I absolutely love. Because what people don't understand in
the competitive shooting world is with all these high cap
magazines and stuff, everybody when they enter a stage is
basically having and shooting the same stage plan, so they're
not using a lot of strategy, whereas in single stack
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there is so much strategy that goes into it. It
is more than just raw shooting. And I love that
aspect of single stack.
Speaker 7 (28:39):
So what's the strategy you've figured out? Where are you're
going to do your reload?
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Yes, where you're going to do your reloads? If you're
going to shoot.
Speaker 15 (28:46):
Major power Factor or Minor power Factor because Minor power
Factor you can have ten rounds in your magazine, whereas
in Major Power Factor you can only have eight. So
with Major minor power Factor, are you going to sacrifice
points with minor? Or are you going to sacrifice time
with major because you're going to have to do more reloads?
Like that aspect is incredible to me to try and
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figure out, like because each match is its own match,
it's completely different. So you can show up with a
major gun and a minor gun, walk the stages.
Speaker 14 (29:18):
And decide day of this is what is best for
this match.
Speaker 7 (29:22):
Okay, you know I'm laughing here because you are so young,
and what you've just described is what we have been
talking about for the last eighty years, which is nine
millimeters versus forty five, Same old, same old. All right,
So you're doing all the shooting and your professor's shooter.
You're sponsored and now you have this video outlet where
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you're doing training for people talk about that.
Speaker 14 (29:45):
Yes, So I own my own training company and I can't.
Speaker 15 (29:49):
I realized, like I get all these requests to go
to different parts of the country to teach classes, and
I realized, I can't get to.
Speaker 6 (29:56):
Everybody out there.
Speaker 14 (29:58):
It is impossible to to teach everybody.
Speaker 15 (30:01):
But what I can do is have an a media
outlet to show people exactly what I teach in my
classes so that they can help teach themselves. So I
have my own YouTube. It's Jaylee's William Shooting and right
now we are going over handgun. So we went through
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the fundamentals dry fire at home, and now we're taking
it out to the range. And now we're even going
further into handgun shooting, specifically the movement and the reloads
and all.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
Those different aspects.
Speaker 15 (30:36):
So it's not just for competitive shooters because there's so
much fundamentals that go into it.
Speaker 14 (30:42):
It's great for every day you can still carry, it's.
Speaker 15 (30:45):
Great for planking, it's great for competitive shooting, it's great
for everything because we're going through its step by step
and I'm very proud of it.
Speaker 7 (30:56):
One of the things that I get frustrated with that's
gonna bounce it off of you. Is when I'm talking
to people, I say, you know, you really need to
get training. They say, yeah, look we go out, we train,
we shoot at the range all the time. And I said, no, no, no,
if there's no instructor present, it's not training. That's practice right.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
Right, right right? No, I completely agree, and.
Speaker 7 (31:15):
You practice the things you learn under training. But if
you haven't any training, and I'm sure you see this
with students, they're just sitting there grooving bad habits right.
Speaker 15 (31:25):
Right, Which is why I thought about, you know, doing
this video platform. That way they can watch the video
while they're at the range and try and recreate what
we're what I'm teaching on the videos and apply it
to themselves and learn how to self diagnose themselves and
fix the issues that they're having.
Speaker 14 (31:45):
Or just be a better shooter in general.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
All right. I know it's hard to do this like
over the radio. It's like trying to coach somebody over
the phone. But if you say, okay, I need to
tell you two things that will help your shooting, what
would they be?
Speaker 6 (31:59):
I would say?
Speaker 15 (32:00):
So for me, this is something I learned a couple
of years ago. That absolutely changed my shooting for me.
I have very small hands, and so it's hard to
reach triggers on guns because I my hands haven't grown
in ten years. So what I figured out is if
I got a very short trigger in my gun and
I can pull my finger away from the gun and
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not have it flat against the gun, my groups all
of a sudden tightened up.
Speaker 14 (32:28):
I stopped shooting left because I'm right handed.
Speaker 15 (32:32):
I stopped pushing my finger against the gun while I
was pulling the trigger. So getting that short trigger and
then creating almost like a ninety degree angle in my
finger to pull the trigger straight back, I mean it
tightened up my shooting like crazy.
Speaker 7 (32:48):
Otherwise, if you're having to reach for the trigger when
you press the trigger, your acts your fingers actually moving
to the left while it's coming back right.
Speaker 15 (32:58):
Yeah, and your fingers against the gun, and so it's
it's actively pushing.
Speaker 14 (33:02):
The gun as you're pulling the trigger. Sure, which just
creates so many issues.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
With nineteen eleven. You can get different Lenk triggers.
Speaker 15 (33:10):
Yes, that's a great thing about like nineteen elevens and
ars and everything is that they've been.
Speaker 14 (33:15):
Around for so long.
Speaker 15 (33:16):
There's an insurmountable amount of aftermarket parts that you can
create the gun that is meant and best for you.
Speaker 7 (33:26):
Okay, all right, so you got your video thing going,
you got your traveling the world shooting with Petiley. What
else are you doing these days?
Speaker 6 (33:33):
I'm not doing much anything else.
Speaker 14 (33:34):
I mean, I'm I'm a.
Speaker 15 (33:36):
Little old lady in my heart at night to kind
of like calm down from the.
Speaker 6 (33:41):
Crazy days I have.
Speaker 14 (33:43):
I've picked up needle points.
Speaker 7 (33:45):
It's very wait wait wait wait, you're barely past twenty
years old.
Speaker 15 (33:50):
I know, I know, but no, needle point is so
much fun and you get to be so precise with it,
which you know me, of course, I like being precise
and clean and everything. So you know, that's me and
my shooting life. That's just me in my regular life.
So this is a really great outlet to do it.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
Yeah, you never seeks to amaze me. Jay Lys is amazing.
For your training. Where do we go for my training?
Speaker 5 (34:17):
It's on YouTube?
Speaker 14 (34:18):
So it's Jamie's william shooting on YouTube.
Speaker 7 (34:20):
Okay, James Williams shooting on YouTube? Got it?
Speaker 6 (34:23):
Yes?
Speaker 15 (34:24):
Yes, And there I have my training stuff on there
for people to see and learn. But I also cover
a bunch of matches I shoot and international matches, so
they get to, you know, see what a world shoot
actually looks like and feels like and everything that goes
into that as well well.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
And I will just add that they also get to
know you. A delightful young lady with a wonderful family.
We've known your family and you and your sister for
a long time and it's a real pleasure to be
able to catch up with you and find out what's
going on.
Speaker 15 (34:54):
Yes, sir, thank you so much for having me on.
I always enjoy hearing from you and seeing from you.
I wish I would have had more time to see
you at NRA.
Speaker 7 (35:02):
I know we'll catch up somewhere along. Well, it'll have
to probably be shot show because between now and then,
all you're going to be doing is going all around
the world. And she does That's what she does. She
goes all over the world. Jay Lee's Williams just a delight,
a real pleasure. Like I said, we started shooting video
with them, the Williams sisters, she had the shooting ones.
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They were probably twelve, twelve and thirteen when we started
shooting video with them. So yeah, we've known them a
long time, really good shooters. Okay, I do want to
get this out right now while I can, because you's
it's highly unlikely you would be able to do this. Okay,
but just in case, a bucket list item just opened up.
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I'm sitting here looking across the studio and I've got
big piles of stuff going to Gunsight. I'll be taking
a class there a week from tomorrow. We start. That
would be Monday the eleventh, and this is the Jeff
Cooper Anniversary nineteen eleven, two fifty class. It's on the
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anniversary of the of Jeff Cooper's birthday. He was the founder,
of course, of Gunsight, actually the founder of the modern
technique of the pistol what we consider to be modern
pistol shooting and gun fighting using two hands. He's the
guy that got all that started. So they're having this
class and it's I say, it's kind of like our
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classic car rally because we're using nineteen elevens iron sights
and leather holsters. Well, here's the deal. We had a
group going, six of us. The two had to pull
out for various reasons, so we've got two openings. Look,
I'm not connected to this in any form of fashion.
I don't have any financial connection to it at all.
I'm just going and taking the class, taking some friends.
But there are two openings. They may have more than that,
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I don't know, but there are at least two openings
for this and it is a week from tomorrow. And yeah,
I get it. It's it's in Arizona and maybole to
require upsetting your schedule and everything else, But it is
in fact buck get less item. If anybody's been there
can tell you about that. If by any chance you
had an idea that you would want to go, I
would suggest going to the gun Side website g U
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n si te dot com or maybe even smarter give
them a call at nine too eight six three six
forty five sixty five nine to eight six three six
four or five sixty five. Also next week, a week
from today, I'll be doing a live show from Gunsite
on in fact, Jeff Cooper's birthday, So we're gonna have
to people from Gunsite, some of the gun related companies
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from around that area. And it's kind of a miniature
gun Valley, if you will. The original Gun Valley was
up in New England area where a lot of the
gun makers started one hundred and fifty years ago, almost
two hundred years ago, primarily because that's where there was
water available to power plants. Kind of interesting way that
all developed. And now you've got these miniature areas that
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gun makers pop up in, and that Prescott, Arizona area
is certainly one. Bruger's got a major factory there. Actually,
weirdly enough, Boise the Idaho is starting to become that
in North Idaho up around Cordeline starting to do that
as well. Number of smaller companies whether they're holster makers
or makers or barrels or whatever. You just never know.
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There are a lot of people getting into making guns
and accessories. So there you go. So if you had
any interest in going to Gunsight and doing this crazy
nineteen eleven class, by all means take a look at that.
We will have more reports on that as to go along,
but it's going to be a lot of fun. I'm
really looking forward to that. I have two pistols ready
to go, the primary in the backup, and then you know,
(38:41):
I got two pistols from the guns like gunsmith, and
one of them is just having post operation difficulties. So
we're gonna take it back and say all right, it
needs a little bit more work. And that's one of
the nice things about working with quality people. They'll go, yeah, okay,
we'll take care of it, and it'll get picked and
it's just fine. I have two really good functioning nineteen
(39:02):
elevens in forty five. Yeah, I'm going to shoot the old,
big fat slow forty five. So there you go. No
comments about me being big fat and slow. We don't
allow that. Well sometimes anyway, if you want to be
a part of this, give me a call eight sixty
six Talk Gun looking for your range reports. I'm Tom Gresham.
Gun Talk will be right back. All right, that went
(39:28):
in here, Tom Gresham, it's a gun Talk. Give me
called eight six six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun.
As I said, I'll get ready to head down to
Arizona and do some training there. I figured out some
years ago, I really like training, I like learning. I
like going to gun schools. I started making a list.
It was kind of crazy. SEG Academy, Smith and West Academy,
(39:50):
Shoot Right Academy, Tack Pro in Texas. Obviously our range
Ready studios which we have down Louisiana currently operating Fire's
Acade MEF Seattle Thunder Ranch, a few others along the way,
and then shot with a number of the top shooters
and just getting lessons here and there. I just enjoy it.
I'm I am not competition level shooter, never claim to be.
(40:15):
I don't shoot in competitions. And people say, well, you know,
what are your splits? I don't know. I don't do that.
I'm just trying to get better. From a defensive standpoint,
Can I draw and shoot? Move? Can I draw, shoot,
move and communicate? Do I tune that up? And by practice?
Will it be enough if I need it for a
self defense situation? There is no way to know. But
(40:38):
being better it's got to be an improvement over being worse.
I mean basically, it's for the definition of the work better.
So I try to be better. I try to work
on it. Besides that, and you know, we could try
to justify to any way we want to. But this
stuff is fun. Going to take it a class like this,
It's just fun around a bunch of people who, for
(41:02):
the most part think the way you do, for the
most part, have similar values. We're all handling guns safely.
At guns like, for instance, it's a hot range it's
not a case of unloads your gun. When you're done
with the stage, you simply put the gun back in
your holester and don't touch it. It's loaded. Everybody else
is wearing a loaded gun. When you go to lunch,
everybody's wearing a loaded gun. When you go an administration building,
(41:27):
the administration people are all wearing loaded guns. It's just
what it is, and we're all smart enough to not
pull them out and do something stupid with them. Okay,
we have really good instruction there. It'll be fun. So
I mean again, if you get a chance, if you
last minute, totally last minute, if you decide I wanted
to go in a week from tomorrow, starting on May eleven,
(41:48):
we're going to do the two fifty class there. And look,
if you can't make the nineteen eleven two fifty class,
you can make another class there, or you can go
down to gun Braves Ready Studios. I'm gonna be going
down there in June. Yeah, got it's next month. Now, Wow,
we're gonna be doing an event with a major gun
maker announcing a new product. We do a number of
(42:09):
these events there where gun makers come in and they
bring in some of the media and do an announcement.
Usually it's embargoed for a period of time before people
can release it and talk about it, so I won't
be able to talk about the gun we're shooting there
at least until they release it and say okay, hey
(42:29):
can do that. But it'll be fine. We'll get to
shoot some and you know, I'm a real big fan
of OPA. Other people's AMMO get to go shoot there,
and occasionally we actually open these things up to the
public where you can go shoot and what is essentially
a media event where the gun media gets to go
(42:51):
and you might have to sign an NDA it says
I can't talk about this new gun that I got
to shoot at this thing. Sometimes you even get to
keep the new gun. Yeah, Actually part of the enrollment
is you get to keep the new gun and the
animos provided and the hosters are provided and some other stuff.
So if that interests you, by all means, go over
to range Ready Studios, take a look there and sign
(43:14):
up for the newsletter. Because those classes sell out in
days what's the're announced, So if you go back and
check like once a month, you'll miss out on those
range Ready Studios dot com. So that's what I have
been doing. Love to know what you have been doing. Also,
you know me. I like to read. I like to
read interesting books, particularly those that have to do with
guns and shooting and shooters. Sometimes fiction, sometimes nonfiction. Coming up,
(43:40):
we're gonna be having one of the top fiction writers
authors talk about a rand new book. It's different involves guns,
actually involves New Orleans and Louisiana, my old stomping grounds
of cool stuff there. But you could be a part
of it. Call me now eight six' six talk. GUN
i Am Tom. Gresham this is gun.
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