October 20, 2024 • 44 mins
In This Hour: REBROADCAST OF 09.01.24
-- The wait times to get approval for buying a silencer has been cut from almost a year to a matter of days. Brandon Maddox, from Silencer Central, gives an update and explains the value of the newest generation of silencers.
-- Tom gets a new rifle. The only problem is that no one loads ammo for it.
-- One man's project to get gun stores to get customers to register to vote.
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-- The wait times to get approval for buying a silencer has been cut from almost a year to a matter of days. Brandon Maddox, from Silencer Central, gives an update and explains the value of the newest generation of silencers.
-- Tom gets a new rifle. The only problem is that no one loads ammo for it.
-- One man's project to get gun stores to get customers to register to vote.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey, everybody, starry that we're having to do a recorded show,
But you know what, I'm not here. I'm actually in
hunting camp chasing elk around the Idaho mountains. But this
is a good show. I know you're gonna love your host.
We're gonna have fun today talking about some cool guns
and accessories and different things going on. We'll even talk
about the ATF. But also we're going to be talking
(00:36):
about the politics we have. Of course, Kambel Harris now
pretending she's not a gun banner. Yeah right, nobody's buying that,
except that the media is covered for. We'll talk about that. Also,
we got a small university in Louisiana that had decided
that it would just make one of its museums in
the middle of town school and then stake off the
(00:57):
thousand foot gun free zone, making all of dow On
Towent a gun free area. They got slapped down on
that one, So we'll cover that one, but we'll talk
about the things you want to talk about. If you've
been out off the range, you've been doing some shooting.
You got a new gun or a new accessory, give
me a call. We'll talk about an eight six six
talk gun. We'll get you in here, all right. You know,
one of the things we love talking about is all
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the stuff you add to your gun. Sometimes it's just
silly stuff, but a lot of times it's things that
really make a difference in performance. It actually just changes
the entire experience. Joining me right now to talk about
exactly that. Brandon Maddox from Silencer Central, Brandon, you have
become the go to guy going all over the world
(01:37):
using silencers to hunt with as well as shoot with.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Welcome, Hey, thanks for having me excited to be here again.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
All right. So every time I see a picture of you,
you're somewhere else hunting with a suppressor. You just become
the go to guy on this. I got to tell
you quick story though, all right. So I'm at the
range yesterday, public range. A guy walks up, gets on
the bench next to me. He's got a nice little
Savage rifle and he's putting a suppressure on it, and
we start talking to shoot and raze and he says, well, yeah,
(02:05):
this is my son's rifle. I'm getting him set up.
He said, I've never had a suppressure before, so okay,
he said, you noticed I went over and I shot
it without the suppressure. I said, yeah, he said, I
put the suppressure on it. I got the silencer on it.
He says, this is a whole different experience. I don't
know why I didn't do this before. I'm thinking, there
it is that. I mean, it's just like and he
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was only doing it because it was he was the
son's rifle, and now he's thinking, I got to do
this to all my guns.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, totally exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I know you've had that experience where people shoot and
they just go like wow.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I had no idea, you know, as you know, I'm
a pharmacist by trade and kind of got into this
as a side business in the beginning. My wife used
always questioned im, like, why are you so passionate about this?
And I'm like, just to see the look on a
person's face when they tell you that they went from
shooting non suppressed to suppress I mean, it completely changes
them because they say I'll never shoot again without a suppressor.
So I'm like, that's a big change in life. I mean,
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that's a huge deal.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Well it is. And you know the other thing that
happens is you had a arranged and somebody quirks went
off without a sighunter. You look around like, who is that?
Come on, dude, you got good to go to the
program here totally one.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
True.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
All right, well I'm looking at your website, honttercentral dot com. Well,
first of all, let's back up. What if Silencer Central.
I mean, you guys started off just kind of as
a place that sells sciences. Now you got your own
line of silencers, you do all this kind of stuff.
You're you're kind of the go to place. You know.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Silence or Central has definitely evolved over the last twenty years.
I think we're known for shipping a silence or to
your front door, so you can buy from us no
matter you know what state you're in. We recently started
some distribution relationships with Sports South there and Louisianas report
they're buying silences from us and then selling them to
dealers so other dealers can sell them. We also sell
other people silencers, So if you see a silencer you
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want online, you can buy off our website. We'll ship
it right to your front door. We're also teaming up
with a lot of e commerce websites that want to
sell silencers, and then we're actually the one doing the
paperwork and shipping into the front door.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
To me, that's the big thing that you have done
is you have streamlined the process. And you were doing
that even before we had the change with the ATF.
But you were telling me earlier. The change that we
have seen in the ATF's processing time on silencers has
been phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, it's like hard to believe. I mean I always say,
you know, God himself had come down and said, Brandon,
what would you want the turnaround times to be? I
would have been like, gott money. If we could get
thirty days, I'd be happy. But we're getting them real time.
I mean there's people that we're smitting and within an
hour getting back an approval. So our average turnaround for
someone that applies as an individual is two to three days.
It's just it's kind of heard of. It's like unfathomable.
(04:45):
I mean, it just generates so many questions of how
do we go from ten to twelve months?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
To a day.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You know, everyone's just thinking. And they didn't add any
additional headcount, they just changed the processes. So no, it's
it's been exciting. It's created a lot of additional interest
in suppressors. It's got you know, people that are on
the fence engaged. It's been fun.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Well, at last point, it was really interesting. A lot
of people decided to get into it. It turns out
it wasn't the cost of the suppressure that was holding
them back, it was the wait time.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, I think just mentally, you know, people have a
struggle with paying for something upfront and then waiting to
get it just it's not ideal, and we always let
people pay while they wait, which is less of an
issue now. No, I agree. I always say there's people
in the sense it's just how do you get them
off the fence. And I think this has got a
ton of people off the fence, and people who've bought before,
and we already have their fingerprints and photos and everything
on file. It's super quick. I mean, yeah, it's typically
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summer slower for us, slower meeting, not as busy as winter,
but gosh, the summer has been just as busy as
winner has. It's been fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And those times you're talking about that's for an individual.
If you have a trust, it's taken a little bit longer,
but even that's getting better.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah, you know, the trust, they've continued a little it
down and their goal is to be at thirty days.
They're not really there yet, they're probably about sixty days.
But you know that some cir Central always provides a
free trust. So a lot of people like to go
that route just so they could share the suppress or
pick who gets it when they pass away. But we
do either option submitted as an individual war trust. The
good thing about buying as an individual is you could
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always do a transfer from you as an individual to
your trust later. Of course it costs, you know, Fed's
charge two hundred bucks to do that again, but you'd
still have a silence in your hands. Oh no, it's
exciting times. I mean it's it's created a lot of demand,
a lot of interest, and again a lot of people
who already have one and say, hey, I think I
want in other one. It's been great.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
All right, let's talk about some of the silences. You
I said, one that I see that is new. You've
got a silencer basically for deer hunters.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
It says, oh yeah, yeah, we have a Buck Commander
Buck thirty, so that one's popular. You know what's interesting
is Thunderbeast, which is a manufacturer in Wyoming. They did
some studies last week and our Banished thirty gold ranked
third based on sound suppression. They tested hundreds of suppressors.
Are twenty two, are Banish twenty two ranked first, and
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our banished two two three ranked first. So it's pretty impressive.
When they tested hundreds of suppressors, it was like a
whole two weeks of manufacturers driving out to Wyoming and
putting all their silences on the table and then these
guys sort of as a third party, tested them in
their manufacturers. They tested their own as well. But no,
we're super excited about that, right And then.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I say, you've got the speed k cans talk about
what those are?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, so you know it sort of controls the flow
of the air. So one concern when using an AR
fifteen is you worry about the blowback, and the goal
is how to mitigate the blowback and the sound. And
the benefit of a speed K is it will actually
do both. We recently launched the full titanium, so it's
it's super light. And the interesting thing about that is
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our code name internally when we were making was a
two by four because it's two inch diameter or four
inches long, so it's super small. I mean, it doesn't
add that much to your barrow. And I would encourage
people to do a Google search because it's it's very
sexy on end of a rifle. Do Google search for,
you know, Fanish speed k it's you know, we created
that in partnership with several ammunition guys they call the
law enforcement, and they felt like it was a need
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in that market and they're kind of we co developed
it with them, and now they're promoting it and selling
it through law enforcement, and also we're selling it through
you know, sort of the you know, non commercial side,
non law enforcement, just regularly by it.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
You talk about blowback. Basically when you choke down, this
is not technical choke down. The escape of the gas
is going out at the end of the muscle, which
is a lot of water, some pressure. Does you get
the back flow of gases And two things that I
can think of that happened with that is we are
if you're hunting, you're shooting a little bit, it's not
a big deal. You' shooting ars or even in the
military law enforcement shooting full auto. You're getting an awful
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lot of that coming back in your face. Number one,
that's not good. But number two is you're dumping a
lot of dirty gas back inside the action of the
gun and on a semiauto or a full auto, that's
definitely not something you want. So is that what we're
getting at here?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Oh yeah, one hundred percent of totally. I used to
shoot perry dogs and I would, you know, take my
eye protection. Often look like a raccoon just from the
blowback you get all that black gas in your face.
But no, it helps mitigate that so that, like I said,
it's like a controlled flow, so it flows it out
over a longer period of time so you don't get
the blowback. But it seems like that's what the AR
fifteen market is interested in, is something to control the blowback.
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So that's why we said, hey, let's bring something to
the market for that and make it super light. And
you know, law enforcement said, we don't want something long.
We want to be able to clear a room and
not have to worry about going inside a door. And
have something too long. So that's why it's only four
inches long. And by the time you add that to
the Indian barrel, it's not that much additional lenked on there.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Okay. One of the things that if you're not into
suppressors and silencers, it's a little confusing the attachment points,
the screw threads, all of the accessories, the ban ads.
How does somebody sort all that out?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah, good question. I mean pretty easiest thing, dude, is
just call Silence or Central. I mean, we're going to
help you figure it out. There's a lot of you know,
standard as far as typically an air fifteen is always
a half by twenty eight and that's kind of the standard,
and it'll just screw right on when you take your
flat shight or off. So if someone's interested, i mean
just for even research, they can call. We have a
full call center here in South Dakota Shooters. They can
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answer any questions you have for as accessories or breaks
or QD amounts or interchangeability between other suppressors you might own.
So yeah, I would say just call Silence or Central.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Okay, you go to Science or Central dot com. Last thing, yeah,
somebody has a gun, said I'd like to put a
sup pressure on it, but I don't have a thread barrel.
You guys have a solution.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah, absolutely, so Silencer is such like. One of the
obstacles we found was that people come to gun shows
and say, hey, I kind of want to get a suppressor,
and none of my barrels are started. I don't think
guys should get a suppressor. And then we said, let's
offer that service. So we have a CNC lath here
where we have a gunsmith that takes guns apart and
threads them all day long and through our machinists. But
we have a simple process where Silence or Central will
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MAILU a package. You put your rifle in there. We
have the postage paid via FedEx ground that comes to us,
We thread it and we ship it right back to you.
Next question, I get as well as our turnar on
time right now? It's about seven days.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Seven days and what about a hundred bucks? Yeah? I
get to one hundred and twenty five. Yeah, show you everything? Okay,
that is that is terrific. It cost you a week
in one a bucket a quarter and you're good to go. Brandon,
you guys tearing it up. Man, The science Central dot com.
Is this an amazing one stop shop? You go in,
you fill out the stuff, and you end up getting
a suppressure mail to your door. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I mean it took a w all for people to
realize that was a possibility, but you know, we worked
with the ATF and figured it out. It's definitely one
hundred percent legal. So it's it's been fun.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I bet it has well. Look, I appreciate you sharing
your good news and what you do, and you guys
have really changed the industry. So congratulations. Eight six six
talk gun will get you in here. I'm Tom Gresham.
We'll be right back with more gun talk.
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All right, let's talk about well guns eight six six
talk gun or Tom talk gun. I'm looking for your calls,
your reports, your range of ports, been out to the range.
Have you bought a new gun, did you sell a gun?
Have you talked to anybody about guns? Basically, just whatever
you want to talk about. We're pretty much open lines
right now. I have some things I want to talk about.
We have a number of interesting court cases. We are
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winning most of them, not all of them, and the
ones we're not winning, I think we'll eventually win. But
sometimes you got to you got to take the loss
to be able to get the appeal to a higher court.
So there's some and there are some bad decisions being
laid down. You got a judge in Oregon just screwing
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things up or me. I was gonna say misunderstanding the law,
but I don't think that's it. I think it's just
not liking the law, not liking the Heller decision, not
liking the Brewing decision from the Supreme Court, just saying
in essence, I'm going to ignore those or I'm going
to turn them upside down and say things that they
didn't say, and then we'll see what happens. Well, it
just means we're gonna have to appeal it. We'll take
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it to the Ninth Circuit, we'll take it to the
Supreme Court, We'll go wherever we have to go. I
think what's going to happen over the next year or
two is we're going to get the Supreme Court to
accept a couple of key cases where they come back
in and say, Okay, this is what Heller and Bruin
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really mean. You really cannot ban semi automatic rifles. They're
in common use for lawful purposes, so you can't ban
ar fifteens. So all those so called assault weapon bands
go away. And then they I think they decide that
magazines are arms, so you cannot ban standard capacity magazines
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fifteen twenty thirty round magazines. So all those bands go away.
Right now, what's going on is in some states you
cannot get a carry permit if you're eighteen nineteen to
twenty years old. Now you're an adult. You're a legal
adult with all the legal rights available to you under
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the Constitution, except this, you cannot carry a gun. It's
keeping bear bear means you get to carry a gun,
and so that's being channing. We're winning there, but it
actually has been appealed to the US Supreme Court. So
we'll see if they take that case. But I think
they come back and say, hey, eighteen, nineteen and twenty
year olds are adults, they are legal citizens. They are
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part of the people, as addressed in the right of
the people to keep in bear arms shall not be infringed.
So no, you cannot strip them of their Second Amendment
rights anymore than you can strip them of their First
Amendment rights simply because they're eighteen, nineteen and twenty years old.
So I think we end up winning that one as well.
Out in California, we believe it or not, the Ninth
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Circuit has now refused to lift a band. This is
going to be a round about way to get there.
And I'll explain in a second California has a one
gun a month or one gun every thirty days limitation.
You cannot buy two guns within thirty days. That has
been ruled unconstitutional, and the Ninth Circuit just said, yeah,
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we're not going to touch that one. We're not going
to put a stay on the enforcement. So right now
in California, the state cannot enforce this ban on buying
more than one gun in thirty days. So in California,
you can, in fact buy more than one gun in
thirty days. Right now. That's the end of the Ninth Circuit.
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So I think we're making headway. We've got some a
few bad decisions, but in general it's moving the right direction.
There's a thing here, and I probably be able to
address it. There are several different gun rights groups. There's
the Second Ammen Foundation, in the Fireman's Policy Coalition of
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Gun Owners of America and actually NAGGER National Association for
Gun Rights, and of course there's the nur A, and
they're all involved in lawsuits. And for for whatever reason,
Firen's Posse coalition wants to put out their press releases
that we did this, and we did that. Look what
we did. Yeah, okay, fine, except that in almost all
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the cases they did it in conjunction with other groups.
They weren't the only group. And what's really going on
is there's a big law firm, Cooper and Kirk, which
is involved in a lot of these lawsuits, and Cooper
and Kirk wants these groups to be working together. So
when it's the case that FPC says it's our case,
it's probably a case that involves a FPC and Secondman
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Foundation and maybe one or two other groups. Everybody is
actually working together to get these cases moved forward. I
get it. There's a turf battle and a battle for
donors and members and that's a thing. But just so
that you know, all the groups are actually, for the
most part working together in court to further this and
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that's one of the reasons we have been successful. We're
moving ahead with this. So just just kind of a
heads up there. Uh, let's see looks oh eight six
to six talk gun or Tom talk gun gets you
in here. It looks like Matthew is in Matie Louisiana
line three. Hey Matthew, what's up?
Speaker 8 (19:19):
So I had a unusual gun cleaning experience.
Speaker 9 (19:23):
I thought i'd share with you because you would find
it amusing and then bewildering at the same time I did.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
And if you could take me off a speaker take
me off a speaker, would you please.
Speaker 9 (19:34):
Let's try this then, because that's not working for you.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, that sounds like, oh, that's a much better. Do
you have the regular phone works best? You know, earbuds,
speaker phone, all the rest of a car attachments. None
of it sounds good like a regular phone does. All right,
you found what what'd you find in your gun?
Speaker 8 (19:54):
So it was a Marlon Model sixty and I was
that's a range and it just became the jam maatic
at the range just kept jamming, and that was unusual
unless I fired, like, you know, a couple of thousand
rounds through it. So twenty two obviously, so it's still
the ammunition. So I went to clean it, and as
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I removed the action, I found a whole bunch of
wood jammed in.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
The action, like from the stock.
Speaker 9 (20:27):
That's what I thought at first, But I'm not worth
missing any stock wood. There's no extra wood missing. Like
somebody's smoking too my bag in the middle of the
night and jammed a wooden toothbrush in there.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Well, that's bizarre, it is.
Speaker 9 (20:49):
That's why I'm sharing it. If it was an ordinary
gung glean, I wouldn't have shared.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
That's just kind of weird. I don't mean, nothing I
can think of is that something in the action is
chewing up would But if you're not, you've looked inside
the bedding on the gun. You're not seeing any parts
that have been rubbed or scraped away. You're on the
inside of the stock. So, uh, I don't know. You
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haven't been doing any woodworking around that, have you?
Speaker 4 (21:18):
No?
Speaker 9 (21:19):
I usually don't bring my guns out to do woodworking.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Are chainsawing? You know? Yeah? What do we do that
throws pieces of wood around? Chainsaw? Woodworking and all the rest?
I don't know, I have, Matthew, I'm stuffed. I don't
know what we want to. Let me ask you this.
When you cleaned it out, did the gun start working again?
Speaker 9 (21:40):
Well, the action slides back and forth, and uh yeah,
it works as far as you know without any ammunition,
so well that you'll have to wait for the next
time for me to get up enough money to rent
a range a lane at the range.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
There you go. All right, thank you for that, for
that weird and bizarre report. I don't know what to
make of that one. All right. Number here is eight
sixty six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. You can
certainly get in here. So I got my gun I ordered.
I talked about it last week, and now I have
my new rifle for which there is absolutely no ammunition.
No m company makes m O for this cartridge. There's
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just simply note out there. So I have to make
up my own. I make up myself. So I'm about
to get started on that one. Hey another project, right,
Hey Tom Greshamir, welcome back to this reloaded version of
gun Talk. While I am out hunting ELK Cam I
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thirty eight six rifle. Then it's another one of the
ultra light arms. The previous owner of the iterations from
Melvin Forbes came in. It has a loophole two and
a half to eight scope on it, so it's I
got it from gun Broke. It's used and left handed,
of course, and the first thing I did, of course,
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was throwing it on the scale because I wanted to
find out six pounds four ounces six pounds four ounces
with the scope on it pretty sweet. Of course, there's
no MMO available for it. Nobody loads three thirty eight
out six mo. They did for a while brief period
of time. A Square made it a factory cartridge, but
art Oupen from a square. They went out of business,
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and for a brief period of time whether Be actually
chambered its rifles for the three thirty eight out six,
and then that ended quickly. This is one of those
cult cartridges that people like and talk about, but it's
never going to be a commercial success. It's basically a
lighter recoiling three thirty eight win mag. You're shooting the
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same bullets at one hundred and fifty roughly feet per
second slower. Does that matter? Probably not in most situations.
I have shot number of animals with a three thirty
eight win Meg. It's great cartridge, great caliber, and this
will be fun. It's basically thirty out six necked up.
That's all it is. Now I'll get to start working
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on loads, finding bullets. I've been acquiring bullets and looking
through all the places you go. I already have the
powder and primer, and I had to believe it or not,
I had to buy three thirty out six brass. I
didn't have any thirty out six brass, so I got
some of that. So this coming week I started the process,
and for me, I loved the process, just tinkering and
(24:36):
getting stuff, shooting that get to tinker with the loads
and work on it. I was out at the range
earlier this week. I'll talk about that and just a
little bit kind of what I did out there, and
folks are ran into that was kind of fun. Let's
see here. I want to go Line four. Brad's with
us out of Kansas. Hey, Brad, you're on Gun Talk.
What's up, sir?
Speaker 10 (24:55):
Yeah, Tom, I talked to you a little over months
ago of to promoting voter registration at firearm stores. Well,
since then, I contacted our county elections office and made
sure I was doing everything lawfully and picked up the
forms and my wife made some professional signings. You know,
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Uncle Sam needs you to vote, be patriotic. And so
I went around the local stores and I have had
those in one of the largest firearm stores in this
region of the state and some others. And one thing happened.
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It was kind of funny. I was at one store
and I had to wait in line, and I was
listening to this young man, probably twenty two to twenty three,
very articulate about firearms, and so I gave him the information.
I already had approval at that location, so I gave
him to put it out for display, and he said,
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you know, I'm kind of embarrassed, but I'm not registered
to vote. So I got him signed up and hopefully
it will be successful. I've got another store plus, a
very large family owned farm and ranch store that I'm
going to be contacting, and I'm hopeful that they'll allow
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that to be placed in their store too.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Well, that is terrific and good on you. Let me
ask you a question. How does that work? Do they
fill out a form at the store and then ses
the store.
Speaker 10 (26:40):
I don't want the store employees bothered with the form,
the signage and the instructions. There's an instruction sheets, very simple.
You just fill out the front with your name, address
and your affiliation if you want to mark an affiliation,
and then all you do is put the address on
the back, which has shown for the entire state of Kansas,
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wherever county you're from, put a stamp on it, and
registered to vote.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Okay, okay, well that is excellent. Have you gotten any
pushback from any of the stores.
Speaker 10 (27:16):
You approached initially the first store, yes, they were concerned
about people illegally voting, but I went through the process
and told them about the state statutes that you know,
if you filled out a form with false misleading information,
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you could be prosecuted, and we've had people in this
state prosecuted for that. So he agreed to it, and
so it's in his store too.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
All right. You know that's going to fall into the
category of what have you done for me lately? So
that was terrific. Now, how are you going to scale
this to get it bigger?
Speaker 10 (27:59):
Well by just going to more locations. You know, there's
only so many foreign arm stores, and of course you're
chain stores. There is something that you know, they'd have
to go through corporate and that's I'm sure that'd be
a waste of time. Yeah, I agree, So you know
that's uh, that's about all I'm thinking I could do.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Well, here's a question for you. How about if you
approach I know there's got to be a Kansas state
gunowners organization, if you contacted them and say, hey, I'm
doing this here, why don't we get people in every
community throughout the state to do it?
Speaker 10 (28:32):
Well, of course that'd be the Kansas State Rifle Association.
You know, I just never thought about that.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I bet they would pick that up. Now that you
approved the concept and said this is how it works,
and this is what they need to know. I mean,
I would give them a holler. I bet they would
jump all over that. If they wouldn't, let's embarrass them
into doing it.
Speaker 10 (28:51):
Yeah, well that's a good idea of it.
Speaker 9 (28:53):
I tell you what.
Speaker 10 (28:53):
The signage that my wife made was just fantastic, and
so I love that.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
It's much better than I would have done, because I
would have said something like sign up or shut up,
like if you don't if you don't vote, you don't
have a right to complain. But I love the article,
say who wants you? You know, that's really well done. Well,
here's the question. Would she be okay with that signage
being used by others to do the same thing throughout
the state? Oh?
Speaker 10 (29:20):
Absolutely, Well if you would.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
And I hate to ask you to do even more
because you've done a lot, But if you could contact
them and just say, hey, guys, this is what I'm
doing and it's working, would you be interested? And there's
I mean obviously no charge to them and a real
benefit to the state.
Speaker 10 (29:37):
Well, I will do that Monday or Tuesday. I don't
know about up to tomorrow as a holiday, but I'll
certainly sta on Tuesday well done.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
She I appreciate what you're doing and thank you for
the follow up report. Maybe we can encourage people in
the other states to do the same thing. That is
just what a terrific thing to do. All right, quick
break here, give me a holler Tom talk gun, because
that's what we do here.
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Speaker 2 (32:23):
Back with you here eight six y six Talk gun
or time Talk Gun? What have you been shooting? What
have you been buying? I'm talking about the thing I
just bought. Actually, now I'm going to sell some guns
because hey, I put one in, I got to get
rid of two or three. That's just the way it works. Also,
I've been acquiring guns for more than fifty years, and
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some of them I figured out haven't been shot in
ten years or twenty years, and they need to belong
to somebody else. So I'll be clearing out a few things,
not a lot, but a few things, sir. There you go. Hey,
let's see, I'm gonna grab line five sids with us
out of Arlington, Texas. Hey, you're on gun Talk. How
can we help you? Sir?
Speaker 15 (33:02):
Well, I appreciate you taking my call. That's your program
from time to time when I get a chance. I
had heard a rumor that let me turn that. I
had heard a rumor I have a rock forty milimeror
the's still that I bought forty caliber, the party caliber. Yes,
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and I bought that because I had heard a rumor
that you could change out the frame the magazine for
a three hitch seven three pitch so magnum.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
Ah.
Speaker 15 (33:39):
I don't know whether it's true or not. Apparently the
bullets would still fit. In the magazine.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
So so all right, here's what you can do with that.
You can swap out the barrel and you can swap
that for a nine milimeter barrel or a barrel for
three fifty seven sig. But not I repeat, a three
fifty seven magnum.
Speaker 15 (34:02):
Ah uh okay, okay, So there's there's semi truth to
what I heard.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Correct. The three fifty seven magnum is too long, and
it's a rimmed cartridge made for revolvers. But the three
fifty seven sig would work in there. If that's interesting
to you or you know, you can do it for
a forty or correction, go forty caliber down to nine
and now you have all of that inexpensive nine milimeters
ham available.
Speaker 15 (34:29):
All right, great, great, Well, I'm glad to know that,
because I did not know that. I appreciate that very much.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
You bet. Yeah. Yeah. If you start poking around look
for conversions for forty caliber glocks, you'll see a lot
of information online about it.
Speaker 15 (34:43):
I could find it online. O. Great, great, that's a
great idea. I appreciate that very much.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Thank you, all right, good deal. Appreciate the call, sir.
Hey Mike's in Worcester. Massachusetts line one. Hey Mike, what
are you looking for here?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Hey?
Speaker 16 (34:56):
Tom?
Speaker 7 (34:56):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
I'm great too.
Speaker 16 (35:00):
I was just browsing online and I came across them
called sneaky peat holsters, and they're these holsters that it's
like a hide and plain sight kind of thing. So
the farm goes in something that looks like it's for
your phone or first age hit or something like that.
And I wanted to hear your thoughts on the feasibility
of that, the practicality, or if it's a stupid idea altogether, as.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Far as you know every day, probably all of the above.
I guess the question would be, and this is where
you would have to fill in the blanks for me,
is what are we trying to do? I mean, is
this Are we trying to carry a gun in a
way that it's open open carry but it's hidden to me,
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look like a phone, And if so, why are we
doing that versus just regular concealed carry.
Speaker 16 (35:51):
I guess I'm just always self conscious about printing With
concealed carry. I do the best they can, and maybe
it's all in my head, but I mean I think
if somebody knew that, it could tell you know, what's
just having an oversized shirt and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Are just gonna say, tell me how you can do it.
Are you doing it like with an untucked oversized shirt
that's correct?
Speaker 16 (36:10):
Yeah, and inside the waistband okay.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
And what kind of pistol.
Speaker 16 (36:15):
Three sixty five XL.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah, what position do you carrying? Appendix or three three
o'clock something like that. If you can, you know, you
got to figure out what works for you for comfort.
If you can slide it back to about a three
thirty position, that grip will lay across your back as
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opposed to sticking out behind you, and moving it like
one one and a half inches further back along your
belt will eliminate about ninety percent of the opportunity for
printing or having that gun show through on your your shirt.
It just makes it go away as that gun kind
of lays against your back almost your kidney positioned there.
Speaker 16 (37:02):
Okay, good to know, thank you.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
And the other thing is, and you probably already know this,
you just have to be a little bit careful about
how you bend over. You end up squatting down to
pick up things when you're out in public, as opposed
to bending over from the waists where it's going to
stick that that butt of that pistol out and print,
and you're just a little bit more aware of things
like that. But yes, the reality is it's probably most
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of us in your head and that has worked on
all of us when we first started carrying. We think
that everybody can tell, you know, as long as we're
not touching it and patting it and doing you know,
calling attention to it. And if we're just a little
bit aware of how we move and how we you know,
obviously reaching up above your head where the shirt tail
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comes up and exposes it, that would be a no no.
But if you're just a little bit careful with it,
and like I say, if you'll move that position just
a little further back on the belt, I think it's
going to take care of most of your problems. Since
you already have a whole shirt and you have a system,
I would say probably avoid these other alternatives. I would
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work with what you have.
Speaker 16 (38:11):
All right, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
You bet appreciate the call. And of course we're kind
of at that crossover point. It depends on where you are.
I mean, some places it's still hottest blazes and other
places that we're starting to look at the first hint
of fall, which thank goodness, it cannot come quickly enough
for me, and we'll be changing the way we dress.
We'll have heavier coats. I will tell you, you know,
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I like, you know, people talk about having a vest,
but it makes you look one way. Fleece vest. Get
an oversized fleece vest and wear that is kind of
a cover garment. But as you get into a little
bit cooler weather, you can wear that with a tucked
in shirt. But a longer fleece type vest one size
(38:58):
larger than you normally would works. Put a few things
of weight, like a couple of three quarters in your pocket,
like the right hand and your right pocket of the
vest when you draw it helped swing that out and
get a little weight, a little momentum going. It's just
a system that's been proven throughout the years. So anyway,
that's a thought for you to consider. Eight sixty six
(39:20):
talk Gun. I'm Tom Gresham and this is gun talking.
I want to address something in the news, and we're
gonna not avoid the whole presidential campaign the election. But
Tim Waltz, who's the vice president candidate with Kamila Harris,
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he has said a number of times, something about, well,
people shouldn't have a weapon of war like the assault
weapon I carried when I was in combat, And he
got called out on that recently, because of course he
never was in combat. He's never been in combat, and
I doubt he's ever carried an AAR fifteen, since they
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don't issue those in the military. So he got called
out on that, and his response to that was interesting.
Of course, he says, well, I said that in the
wake of a school shooting, and go, yeah, well, so
that very doesn't change the fact that you said you
were in combat and I cared about schools. I care
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about children. I'm thinking, God, he's starting to sound like
Camelo a lot here. And then finally he says, and
my wife says that, you know, I have a problem
with grammar, and that's probably that's kind of what it was.
Let me just say this. I have been a writer
magazines and books for fifty years. I have been an
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editor of magazines and books for fifty years. Grammar is
punctuation and subject verb agreement. Grammar is not claiming that
you were in combat when you weren't. Grammar is not
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claiming you retired at a rank that you didn't retire at.
Those are lies. Those are objective lies that you know
are not the truth. It's not like, oops, I misspoke.
I love that media says, well, he says he misspoke.
If Trump says it, the media doesn't say he misspoke,
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They say he lied. But Tim Wall says it, and
we know it's demonstrably untrue somehow, that's where he just misspoke. No,
he lied, and he lied repeatedly, and he lied over
a number of years. This is not grammar. This is
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some time of adverrent behavior from someone who has built
himself up through lies. Whether it's claiming he was the
head football coach when he wasn't, or claiming that he
retired at a rank which he didn't, or claiming that
he was in combat which he wasn't, or issuing a
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challenge coin with an inappropriate and incorrect rank on it.
That's all a lie. Every one of those is the lie.
I mean not that this election is really about the
vice president, but it's part of a larger picture, a
larger package. And of course you got the whole Kambla
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Harris now lying about everything she said over the past
decade or decade and a half all the positions that
she staked out very firmly, including the confiscation of uttered rifles,
mandatory buybacks. I'm sorry, you can't buy back what you
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never had. And if it's mandatory, it's confiscation. Whether you're
offering money or not, it's confiscation because people do not
have the option of saying, I opt out of your
offer to buy my gun. And now she said, well, no,
that's not really what I want to do. Now really,
and all those other things fracking, you wanted to band fracking,
and now you're not in favorite bank. You know why
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the Democrats are not upset where they're lying about this
stuff because they know she's lying. All of her new
positions that are centrist, they know they're all lies. And
she will immediately go back and be the ultraliberal that
she always has been. And yes, she does want to
confiscate your guns, make no mistake about it. Eight six
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey, everybody, starry that we're having to do a recorded show,
But you know what, I'm not here. I'm actually in
hunting camp chasing elk around the Idaho mountains. But this
is a good show. I know you're gonna love your host.
We're gonna have fun today talking about some cool guns
and accessories and different things going on. We'll even talk
about the ATF. But also we're going to be talking
(00:36):
about the politics we have. Of course, Kambel Harris now
pretending she's not a gun banner. Yeah right, nobody's buying that,
except that the media is covered for. We'll talk about that. Also,
we got a small university in Louisiana that had decided
that it would just make one of its museums in
the middle of town school and then stake off the
(00:57):
thousand foot gun free zone, making all of dow On
Towent a gun free area. They got slapped down on
that one, So we'll cover that one, but we'll talk
about the things you want to talk about. If you've
been out off the range, you've been doing some shooting.
You got a new gun or a new accessory, give
me a call. We'll talk about an eight six six
talk gun. We'll get you in here, all right. You know,
one of the things we love talking about is all
(01:17):
the stuff you add to your gun. Sometimes it's just
silly stuff, but a lot of times it's things that
really make a difference in performance. It actually just changes
the entire experience. Joining me right now to talk about
exactly that. Brandon Maddox from Silencer Central, Brandon, you have
become the go to guy going all over the world
(01:37):
using silencers to hunt with as well as shoot with.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Welcome, Hey, thanks for having me excited to be here again.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
All right. So every time I see a picture of you,
you're somewhere else hunting with a suppressor. You just become
the go to guy on this. I got to tell
you quick story though, all right. So I'm at the
range yesterday, public range. A guy walks up, gets on
the bench next to me. He's got a nice little
Savage rifle and he's putting a suppressure on it, and
we start talking to shoot and raze and he says, well, yeah,
(02:05):
this is my son's rifle. I'm getting him set up.
He said, I've never had a suppressure before, so okay,
he said, you noticed I went over and I shot
it without the suppressure. I said, yeah, he said, I
put the suppressure on it. I got the silencer on it.
He says, this is a whole different experience. I don't
know why I didn't do this before. I'm thinking, there
it is that. I mean, it's just like and he
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was only doing it because it was he was the
son's rifle, and now he's thinking, I got to do
this to all my guns.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah, totally exactly.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I know you've had that experience where people shoot and
they just go like wow.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
I had no idea, you know, as you know, I'm
a pharmacist by trade and kind of got into this
as a side business in the beginning. My wife used
always questioned im, like, why are you so passionate about this?
And I'm like, just to see the look on a
person's face when they tell you that they went from
shooting non suppressed to suppress I mean, it completely changes
them because they say I'll never shoot again without a suppressor.
So I'm like, that's a big change in life. I mean,
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that's a huge deal.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Well it is. And you know the other thing that
happens is you had a arranged and somebody quirks went
off without a sighunter. You look around like, who is that?
Come on, dude, you got good to go to the
program here totally one.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
True.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
All right, well I'm looking at your website, honttercentral dot com. Well,
first of all, let's back up. What if Silencer Central.
I mean, you guys started off just kind of as
a place that sells sciences. Now you got your own
line of silencers, you do all this kind of stuff.
You're you're kind of the go to place. You know.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Silence or Central has definitely evolved over the last twenty years.
I think we're known for shipping a silence or to
your front door, so you can buy from us no
matter you know what state you're in. We recently started
some distribution relationships with Sports South there and Louisianas report
they're buying silences from us and then selling them to
dealers so other dealers can sell them. We also sell
other people silencers, So if you see a silencer you
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want online, you can buy off our website. We'll ship
it right to your front door. We're also teaming up
with a lot of e commerce websites that want to
sell silencers, and then we're actually the one doing the
paperwork and shipping into the front door.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
To me, that's the big thing that you have done
is you have streamlined the process. And you were doing
that even before we had the change with the ATF.
But you were telling me earlier. The change that we
have seen in the ATF's processing time on silencers has
been phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah, it's like hard to believe. I mean I always say,
you know, God himself had come down and said, Brandon,
what would you want the turnaround times to be? I
would have been like, gott money. If we could get
thirty days, I'd be happy. But we're getting them real time.
I mean there's people that we're smitting and within an
hour getting back an approval. So our average turnaround for
someone that applies as an individual is two to three days.
It's just it's kind of heard of. It's like unfathomable.
(04:45):
I mean, it just generates so many questions of how
do we go from ten to twelve months?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
To a day.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You know, everyone's just thinking. And they didn't add any
additional headcount, they just changed the processes. So no, it's
it's been exciting. It's created a lot of additional interest
in suppressors. It's got you know, people that are on
the fence engaged. It's been fun.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Well, at last point, it was really interesting. A lot
of people decided to get into it. It turns out
it wasn't the cost of the suppressure that was holding
them back, it was the wait time.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, I think just mentally, you know, people have a
struggle with paying for something upfront and then waiting to
get it just it's not ideal, and we always let
people pay while they wait, which is less of an
issue now. No, I agree. I always say there's people
in the sense it's just how do you get them
off the fence. And I think this has got a
ton of people off the fence, and people who've bought before,
and we already have their fingerprints and photos and everything
on file. It's super quick. I mean, yeah, it's typically
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summer slower for us, slower meeting, not as busy as winter,
but gosh, the summer has been just as busy as
winner has. It's been fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And those times you're talking about that's for an individual.
If you have a trust, it's taken a little bit longer,
but even that's getting better.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah, you know, the trust, they've continued a little it
down and their goal is to be at thirty days.
They're not really there yet, they're probably about sixty days.
But you know that some cir Central always provides a
free trust. So a lot of people like to go
that route just so they could share the suppress or
pick who gets it when they pass away. But we
do either option submitted as an individual war trust. The
good thing about buying as an individual is you could
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always do a transfer from you as an individual to
your trust later. Of course it costs, you know, Fed's
charge two hundred bucks to do that again, but you'd
still have a silence in your hands. Oh no, it's
exciting times. I mean it's it's created a lot of demand,
a lot of interest, and again a lot of people
who already have one and say, hey, I think I
want in other one. It's been great.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
All right, let's talk about some of the silences. You
I said, one that I see that is new. You've
got a silencer basically for deer hunters.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
It says, oh yeah, yeah, we have a Buck Commander
Buck thirty, so that one's popular. You know what's interesting
is Thunderbeast, which is a manufacturer in Wyoming. They did
some studies last week and our Banished thirty gold ranked
third based on sound suppression. They tested hundreds of suppressors.
Are twenty two, are Banish twenty two ranked first, and
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our banished two two three ranked first. So it's pretty impressive.
When they tested hundreds of suppressors, it was like a
whole two weeks of manufacturers driving out to Wyoming and
putting all their silences on the table and then these
guys sort of as a third party, tested them in
their manufacturers. They tested their own as well. But no,
we're super excited about that, right And then.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
I say, you've got the speed k cans talk about
what those are?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Yeah, so you know it sort of controls the flow
of the air. So one concern when using an AR
fifteen is you worry about the blowback, and the goal
is how to mitigate the blowback and the sound. And
the benefit of a speed K is it will actually
do both. We recently launched the full titanium, so it's
it's super light. And the interesting thing about that is
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our code name internally when we were making was a
two by four because it's two inch diameter or four
inches long, so it's super small. I mean, it doesn't
add that much to your barrow. And I would encourage
people to do a Google search because it's it's very
sexy on end of a rifle. Do Google search for,
you know, Fanish speed k it's you know, we created
that in partnership with several ammunition guys they call the
law enforcement, and they felt like it was a need
(08:03):
in that market and they're kind of we co developed
it with them, and now they're promoting it and selling
it through law enforcement, and also we're selling it through
you know, sort of the you know, non commercial side,
non law enforcement, just regularly by it.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
You talk about blowback. Basically when you choke down, this
is not technical choke down. The escape of the gas
is going out at the end of the muscle, which
is a lot of water, some pressure. Does you get
the back flow of gases And two things that I
can think of that happened with that is we are
if you're hunting, you're shooting a little bit, it's not
a big deal. You' shooting ars or even in the
military law enforcement shooting full auto. You're getting an awful
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lot of that coming back in your face. Number one,
that's not good. But number two is you're dumping a
lot of dirty gas back inside the action of the
gun and on a semiauto or a full auto, that's
definitely not something you want. So is that what we're
getting at here?
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Oh yeah, one hundred percent of totally. I used to
shoot perry dogs and I would, you know, take my
eye protection. Often look like a raccoon just from the
blowback you get all that black gas in your face.
But no, it helps mitigate that so that, like I said,
it's like a controlled flow, so it flows it out
over a longer period of time so you don't get
the blowback. But it seems like that's what the AR
fifteen market is interested in, is something to control the blowback.
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So that's why we said, hey, let's bring something to
the market for that and make it super light. And
you know, law enforcement said, we don't want something long.
We want to be able to clear a room and
not have to worry about going inside a door. And
have something too long. So that's why it's only four
inches long. And by the time you add that to
the Indian barrel, it's not that much additional lenked on there.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Okay. One of the things that if you're not into
suppressors and silencers, it's a little confusing the attachment points,
the screw threads, all of the accessories, the ban ads.
How does somebody sort all that out?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah, good question. I mean pretty easiest thing, dude, is
just call Silence or Central. I mean, we're going to
help you figure it out. There's a lot of you know,
standard as far as typically an air fifteen is always
a half by twenty eight and that's kind of the standard,
and it'll just screw right on when you take your
flat shight or off. So if someone's interested, i mean
just for even research, they can call. We have a
full call center here in South Dakota Shooters. They can
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answer any questions you have for as accessories or breaks
or QD amounts or interchangeability between other suppressors you might own.
So yeah, I would say just call Silence or Central.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Okay, you go to Science or Central dot com. Last thing, yeah,
somebody has a gun, said I'd like to put a
sup pressure on it, but I don't have a thread barrel.
You guys have a solution.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
Yeah, absolutely, so Silencer is such like. One of the
obstacles we found was that people come to gun shows
and say, hey, I kind of want to get a suppressor,
and none of my barrels are started. I don't think
guys should get a suppressor. And then we said, let's
offer that service. So we have a CNC lath here
where we have a gunsmith that takes guns apart and
threads them all day long and through our machinists. But
we have a simple process where Silence or Central will
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MAILU a package. You put your rifle in there. We
have the postage paid via FedEx ground that comes to us,
We thread it and we ship it right back to you.
Next question, I get as well as our turnar on
time right now? It's about seven days.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Seven days and what about a hundred bucks? Yeah? I
get to one hundred and twenty five. Yeah, show you everything? Okay,
that is that is terrific. It cost you a week
in one a bucket a quarter and you're good to go. Brandon,
you guys tearing it up. Man, The science Central dot com.
Is this an amazing one stop shop? You go in,
you fill out the stuff, and you end up getting
a suppressure mail to your door. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I mean it took a w all for people to
realize that was a possibility, but you know, we worked
with the ATF and figured it out. It's definitely one
hundred percent legal. So it's it's been fun.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I bet it has well. Look, I appreciate you sharing
your good news and what you do, and you guys
have really changed the industry. So congratulations. Eight six six
talk gun will get you in here. I'm Tom Gresham.
We'll be right back with more gun talk.
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All right, let's talk about well guns eight six six
talk gun or Tom talk gun. I'm looking for your calls,
your reports, your range of ports, been out to the range.
Have you bought a new gun, did you sell a gun?
Have you talked to anybody about guns? Basically, just whatever
you want to talk about. We're pretty much open lines
right now. I have some things I want to talk about.
We have a number of interesting court cases. We are
(14:20):
winning most of them, not all of them, and the
ones we're not winning, I think we'll eventually win. But
sometimes you got to you got to take the loss
to be able to get the appeal to a higher court.
So there's some and there are some bad decisions being
laid down. You got a judge in Oregon just screwing
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things up or me. I was gonna say misunderstanding the law,
but I don't think that's it. I think it's just
not liking the law, not liking the Heller decision, not
liking the Brewing decision from the Supreme Court, just saying
in essence, I'm going to ignore those or I'm going
to turn them upside down and say things that they
didn't say, and then we'll see what happens. Well, it
just means we're gonna have to appeal it. We'll take
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it to the Ninth Circuit, we'll take it to the
Supreme Court, We'll go wherever we have to go. I
think what's going to happen over the next year or
two is we're going to get the Supreme Court to
accept a couple of key cases where they come back
in and say, Okay, this is what Heller and Bruin
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really mean. You really cannot ban semi automatic rifles. They're
in common use for lawful purposes, so you can't ban
ar fifteens. So all those so called assault weapon bands
go away. And then they I think they decide that
magazines are arms, so you cannot ban standard capacity magazines
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fifteen twenty thirty round magazines. So all those bands go away.
Right now, what's going on is in some states you
cannot get a carry permit if you're eighteen nineteen to
twenty years old. Now you're an adult. You're a legal
adult with all the legal rights available to you under
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the Constitution, except this, you cannot carry a gun. It's
keeping bear bear means you get to carry a gun,
and so that's being channing. We're winning there, but it
actually has been appealed to the US Supreme Court. So
we'll see if they take that case. But I think
they come back and say, hey, eighteen, nineteen and twenty
year olds are adults, they are legal citizens. They are
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part of the people, as addressed in the right of
the people to keep in bear arms shall not be infringed.
So no, you cannot strip them of their Second Amendment
rights anymore than you can strip them of their First
Amendment rights simply because they're eighteen, nineteen and twenty years old.
So I think we end up winning that one as well.
Out in California, we believe it or not, the Ninth
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Circuit has now refused to lift a band. This is
going to be a round about way to get there.
And I'll explain in a second California has a one
gun a month or one gun every thirty days limitation.
You cannot buy two guns within thirty days. That has
been ruled unconstitutional, and the Ninth Circuit just said, yeah,
(17:15):
we're not going to touch that one. We're not going
to put a stay on the enforcement. So right now
in California, the state cannot enforce this ban on buying
more than one gun in thirty days. So in California,
you can, in fact buy more than one gun in
thirty days. Right now. That's the end of the Ninth Circuit.
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So I think we're making headway. We've got some a
few bad decisions, but in general it's moving the right direction.
There's a thing here, and I probably be able to
address it. There are several different gun rights groups. There's
the Second Ammen Foundation, in the Fireman's Policy Coalition of
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Gun Owners of America and actually NAGGER National Association for
Gun Rights, and of course there's the nur A, and
they're all involved in lawsuits. And for for whatever reason,
Firen's Posse coalition wants to put out their press releases
that we did this, and we did that. Look what
we did. Yeah, okay, fine, except that in almost all
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the cases they did it in conjunction with other groups.
They weren't the only group. And what's really going on
is there's a big law firm, Cooper and Kirk, which
is involved in a lot of these lawsuits, and Cooper
and Kirk wants these groups to be working together. So
when it's the case that FPC says it's our case,
it's probably a case that involves a FPC and Secondman
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Foundation and maybe one or two other groups. Everybody is
actually working together to get these cases moved forward. I
get it. There's a turf battle and a battle for
donors and members and that's a thing. But just so
that you know, all the groups are actually, for the
most part working together in court to further this and
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that's one of the reasons we have been successful. We're
moving ahead with this. So just just kind of a
heads up there. Uh, let's see looks oh eight six
to six talk gun or Tom talk gun gets you
in here. It looks like Matthew is in Matie Louisiana
line three. Hey Matthew, what's up?
Speaker 8 (19:19):
So I had a unusual gun cleaning experience.
Speaker 9 (19:23):
I thought i'd share with you because you would find
it amusing and then bewildering at the same time I did.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
And if you could take me off a speaker take
me off a speaker, would you please.
Speaker 9 (19:34):
Let's try this then, because that's not working for you.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yeah, that sounds like, oh, that's a much better. Do
you have the regular phone works best? You know, earbuds,
speaker phone, all the rest of a car attachments. None
of it sounds good like a regular phone does. All right,
you found what what'd you find in your gun?
Speaker 8 (19:54):
So it was a Marlon Model sixty and I was
that's a range and it just became the jam maatic
at the range just kept jamming, and that was unusual
unless I fired, like, you know, a couple of thousand
rounds through it. So twenty two obviously, so it's still
the ammunition. So I went to clean it, and as
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I removed the action, I found a whole bunch of
wood jammed in.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
The action, like from the stock.
Speaker 9 (20:27):
That's what I thought at first, But I'm not worth
missing any stock wood. There's no extra wood missing. Like
somebody's smoking too my bag in the middle of the
night and jammed a wooden toothbrush in there.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Well, that's bizarre, it is.
Speaker 9 (20:49):
That's why I'm sharing it. If it was an ordinary
gung glean, I wouldn't have shared.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
That's just kind of weird. I don't mean, nothing I
can think of is that something in the action is
chewing up would But if you're not, you've looked inside
the bedding on the gun. You're not seeing any parts
that have been rubbed or scraped away. You're on the
inside of the stock. So, uh, I don't know. You
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haven't been doing any woodworking around that, have you?
Speaker 4 (21:18):
No?
Speaker 9 (21:19):
I usually don't bring my guns out to do woodworking.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Are chainsawing? You know? Yeah? What do we do that
throws pieces of wood around? Chainsaw? Woodworking and all the rest?
I don't know, I have, Matthew, I'm stuffed. I don't
know what we want to. Let me ask you this.
When you cleaned it out, did the gun start working again?
Speaker 9 (21:40):
Well, the action slides back and forth, and uh yeah,
it works as far as you know without any ammunition,
so well that you'll have to wait for the next
time for me to get up enough money to rent
a range a lane at the range.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
There you go. All right, thank you for that, for
that weird and bizarre report. I don't know what to
make of that one. All right. Number here is eight
sixty six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. You can
certainly get in here. So I got my gun I ordered.
I talked about it last week, and now I have
my new rifle for which there is absolutely no ammunition.
No m company makes m O for this cartridge. There's
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just simply note out there. So I have to make
up my own. I make up myself. So I'm about
to get started on that one. Hey another project, right,
Hey Tom Greshamir, welcome back to this reloaded version of
gun Talk. While I am out hunting ELK Cam I
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thirty eight six rifle. Then it's another one of the
ultra light arms. The previous owner of the iterations from
Melvin Forbes came in. It has a loophole two and
a half to eight scope on it, so it's I
got it from gun Broke. It's used and left handed,
of course, and the first thing I did, of course,
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was throwing it on the scale because I wanted to
find out six pounds four ounces six pounds four ounces
with the scope on it pretty sweet. Of course, there's
no MMO available for it. Nobody loads three thirty eight
out six mo. They did for a while brief period
of time. A Square made it a factory cartridge, but
art Oupen from a square. They went out of business,
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and for a brief period of time whether Be actually
chambered its rifles for the three thirty eight out six,
and then that ended quickly. This is one of those
cult cartridges that people like and talk about, but it's
never going to be a commercial success. It's basically a
lighter recoiling three thirty eight win mag. You're shooting the
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same bullets at one hundred and fifty roughly feet per
second slower. Does that matter? Probably not in most situations.
I have shot number of animals with a three thirty
eight win Meg. It's great cartridge, great caliber, and this
will be fun. It's basically thirty out six necked up.
That's all it is. Now I'll get to start working
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on loads, finding bullets. I've been acquiring bullets and looking
through all the places you go. I already have the
powder and primer, and I had to believe it or not,
I had to buy three thirty out six brass. I
didn't have any thirty out six brass, so I got
some of that. So this coming week I started the process,
and for me, I loved the process, just tinkering and
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getting stuff, shooting that get to tinker with the loads
and work on it. I was out at the range
earlier this week. I'll talk about that and just a
little bit kind of what I did out there, and
folks are ran into that was kind of fun. Let's
see here. I want to go Line four. Brad's with
us out of Kansas. Hey, Brad, you're on Gun Talk.
What's up, sir?
Speaker 10 (24:55):
Yeah, Tom, I talked to you a little over months
ago of to promoting voter registration at firearm stores. Well,
since then, I contacted our county elections office and made
sure I was doing everything lawfully and picked up the
forms and my wife made some professional signings. You know,
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Uncle Sam needs you to vote, be patriotic. And so
I went around the local stores and I have had
those in one of the largest firearm stores in this
region of the state and some others. And one thing happened.
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It was kind of funny. I was at one store
and I had to wait in line, and I was
listening to this young man, probably twenty two to twenty three,
very articulate about firearms, and so I gave him the information.
I already had approval at that location, so I gave
him to put it out for display, and he said,
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you know, I'm kind of embarrassed, but I'm not registered
to vote. So I got him signed up and hopefully
it will be successful. I've got another store plus, a
very large family owned farm and ranch store that I'm
going to be contacting, and I'm hopeful that they'll allow
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that to be placed in their store too.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Well, that is terrific and good on you. Let me
ask you a question. How does that work? Do they
fill out a form at the store and then ses
the store.
Speaker 10 (26:40):
I don't want the store employees bothered with the form,
the signage and the instructions. There's an instruction sheets, very simple.
You just fill out the front with your name, address
and your affiliation if you want to mark an affiliation,
and then all you do is put the address on
the back, which has shown for the entire state of Kansas,
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wherever county you're from, put a stamp on it, and
registered to vote.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Okay, okay, well that is excellent. Have you gotten any
pushback from any of the stores.
Speaker 10 (27:16):
You approached initially the first store, yes, they were concerned
about people illegally voting, but I went through the process
and told them about the state statutes that you know,
if you filled out a form with false misleading information,
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you could be prosecuted, and we've had people in this
state prosecuted for that. So he agreed to it, and
so it's in his store too.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
All right. You know that's going to fall into the
category of what have you done for me lately? So
that was terrific. Now, how are you going to scale
this to get it bigger?
Speaker 10 (27:59):
Well by just going to more locations. You know, there's
only so many foreign arm stores, and of course you're
chain stores. There is something that you know, they'd have
to go through corporate and that's I'm sure that'd be
a waste of time. Yeah, I agree, So you know
that's uh, that's about all I'm thinking I could do.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Well, here's a question for you. How about if you
approach I know there's got to be a Kansas state
gunowners organization, if you contacted them and say, hey, I'm
doing this here, why don't we get people in every
community throughout the state to do it?
Speaker 10 (28:32):
Well, of course that'd be the Kansas State Rifle Association.
You know, I just never thought about that.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I bet they would pick that up. Now that you
approved the concept and said this is how it works,
and this is what they need to know. I mean,
I would give them a holler. I bet they would
jump all over that. If they wouldn't, let's embarrass them
into doing it.
Speaker 10 (28:51):
Yeah, well that's a good idea of it.
Speaker 9 (28:53):
I tell you what.
Speaker 10 (28:53):
The signage that my wife made was just fantastic, and
so I love that.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
It's much better than I would have done, because I
would have said something like sign up or shut up,
like if you don't if you don't vote, you don't
have a right to complain. But I love the article,
say who wants you? You know, that's really well done. Well,
here's the question. Would she be okay with that signage
being used by others to do the same thing throughout
the state? Oh?
Speaker 10 (29:20):
Absolutely, Well if you would.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
And I hate to ask you to do even more
because you've done a lot, But if you could contact
them and just say, hey, guys, this is what I'm
doing and it's working, would you be interested? And there's
I mean obviously no charge to them and a real
benefit to the state.
Speaker 10 (29:37):
Well, I will do that Monday or Tuesday. I don't
know about up to tomorrow as a holiday, but I'll
certainly sta on Tuesday well done.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
She I appreciate what you're doing and thank you for
the follow up report. Maybe we can encourage people in
the other states to do the same thing. That is
just what a terrific thing to do. All right, quick
break here, give me a holler Tom talk gun, because
that's what we do here.
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Speaker 2 (32:23):
Back with you here eight six y six Talk gun
or time Talk Gun? What have you been shooting? What
have you been buying? I'm talking about the thing I
just bought. Actually, now I'm going to sell some guns
because hey, I put one in, I got to get
rid of two or three. That's just the way it works. Also,
I've been acquiring guns for more than fifty years, and
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some of them I figured out haven't been shot in
ten years or twenty years, and they need to belong
to somebody else. So I'll be clearing out a few things,
not a lot, but a few things, sir. There you go. Hey,
let's see, I'm gonna grab line five sids with us
out of Arlington, Texas. Hey, you're on gun Talk. How
can we help you? Sir?
Speaker 15 (33:02):
Well, I appreciate you taking my call. That's your program
from time to time when I get a chance. I
had heard a rumor that let me turn that. I
had heard a rumor I have a rock forty milimeror
the's still that I bought forty caliber, the party caliber. Yes,
(33:24):
and I bought that because I had heard a rumor
that you could change out the frame the magazine for
a three hitch seven three pitch so magnum.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
Ah.
Speaker 15 (33:39):
I don't know whether it's true or not. Apparently the
bullets would still fit. In the magazine.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
So so all right, here's what you can do with that.
You can swap out the barrel and you can swap
that for a nine milimeter barrel or a barrel for
three fifty seven sig. But not I repeat, a three
fifty seven magnum.
Speaker 15 (34:02):
Ah uh okay, okay, So there's there's semi truth to
what I heard.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Correct. The three fifty seven magnum is too long, and
it's a rimmed cartridge made for revolvers. But the three
fifty seven sig would work in there. If that's interesting
to you or you know, you can do it for
a forty or correction, go forty caliber down to nine
and now you have all of that inexpensive nine milimeters
ham available.
Speaker 15 (34:29):
All right, great, great, Well, I'm glad to know that,
because I did not know that. I appreciate that very much.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
You bet. Yeah. Yeah. If you start poking around look
for conversions for forty caliber glocks, you'll see a lot
of information online about it.
Speaker 15 (34:43):
I could find it online. O. Great, great, that's a
great idea. I appreciate that very much.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Thank you, all right, good deal. Appreciate the call, sir.
Hey Mike's in Worcester. Massachusetts line one. Hey Mike, what
are you looking for here?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Hey?
Speaker 16 (34:56):
Tom?
Speaker 7 (34:56):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (34:57):
I'm great too.
Speaker 16 (35:00):
I was just browsing online and I came across them
called sneaky peat holsters, and they're these holsters that it's
like a hide and plain sight kind of thing. So
the farm goes in something that looks like it's for
your phone or first age hit or something like that.
And I wanted to hear your thoughts on the feasibility
of that, the practicality, or if it's a stupid idea altogether, as.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Far as you know every day, probably all of the above.
I guess the question would be, and this is where
you would have to fill in the blanks for me,
is what are we trying to do? I mean, is
this Are we trying to carry a gun in a
way that it's open open carry but it's hidden to me,
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look like a phone, And if so, why are we
doing that versus just regular concealed carry.
Speaker 16 (35:51):
I guess I'm just always self conscious about printing With
concealed carry. I do the best they can, and maybe
it's all in my head, but I mean I think
if somebody knew that, it could tell you know, what's
just having an oversized shirt and whatnot.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
Are just gonna say, tell me how you can do it.
Are you doing it like with an untucked oversized shirt
that's correct?
Speaker 16 (36:10):
Yeah, and inside the waistband okay.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
And what kind of pistol.
Speaker 16 (36:15):
Three sixty five XL.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah, what position do you carrying? Appendix or three three
o'clock something like that. If you can, you know, you
got to figure out what works for you for comfort.
If you can slide it back to about a three
thirty position, that grip will lay across your back as
(36:40):
opposed to sticking out behind you, and moving it like
one one and a half inches further back along your
belt will eliminate about ninety percent of the opportunity for
printing or having that gun show through on your your shirt.
It just makes it go away as that gun kind
of lays against your back almost your kidney positioned there.
Speaker 16 (37:02):
Okay, good to know, thank you.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
And the other thing is, and you probably already know this,
you just have to be a little bit careful about
how you bend over. You end up squatting down to
pick up things when you're out in public, as opposed
to bending over from the waists where it's going to
stick that that butt of that pistol out and print,
and you're just a little bit more aware of things
like that. But yes, the reality is it's probably most
(37:27):
of us in your head and that has worked on
all of us when we first started carrying. We think
that everybody can tell, you know, as long as we're
not touching it and patting it and doing you know,
calling attention to it. And if we're just a little
bit aware of how we move and how we you know,
obviously reaching up above your head where the shirt tail
(37:47):
comes up and exposes it, that would be a no no.
But if you're just a little bit careful with it,
and like I say, if you'll move that position just
a little further back on the belt, I think it's
going to take care of most of your problems. Since
you already have a whole shirt and you have a system,
I would say probably avoid these other alternatives. I would
(38:09):
work with what you have.
Speaker 16 (38:11):
All right, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
You bet appreciate the call. And of course we're kind
of at that crossover point. It depends on where you are.
I mean, some places it's still hottest blazes and other
places that we're starting to look at the first hint
of fall, which thank goodness, it cannot come quickly enough
for me, and we'll be changing the way we dress.
We'll have heavier coats. I will tell you, you know,
(38:36):
I like, you know, people talk about having a vest,
but it makes you look one way. Fleece vest. Get
an oversized fleece vest and wear that is kind of
a cover garment. But as you get into a little
bit cooler weather, you can wear that with a tucked
in shirt. But a longer fleece type vest one size
(38:58):
larger than you normally would works. Put a few things
of weight, like a couple of three quarters in your pocket,
like the right hand and your right pocket of the
vest when you draw it helped swing that out and
get a little weight, a little momentum going. It's just
a system that's been proven throughout the years. So anyway,
that's a thought for you to consider. Eight sixty six
(39:20):
talk Gun. I'm Tom Gresham and this is gun talking.
I want to address something in the news, and we're
gonna not avoid the whole presidential campaign the election. But
Tim Waltz, who's the vice president candidate with Kamila Harris,
(39:45):
he has said a number of times, something about, well,
people shouldn't have a weapon of war like the assault
weapon I carried when I was in combat, And he
got called out on that recently, because of course he
never was in combat. He's never been in combat, and
I doubt he's ever carried an AAR fifteen, since they
(40:07):
don't issue those in the military. So he got called
out on that, and his response to that was interesting.
Of course, he says, well, I said that in the
wake of a school shooting, and go, yeah, well, so
that very doesn't change the fact that you said you
were in combat and I cared about schools. I care
(40:28):
about children. I'm thinking, God, he's starting to sound like
Camelo a lot here. And then finally he says, and
my wife says that, you know, I have a problem
with grammar, and that's probably that's kind of what it was.
Let me just say this. I have been a writer
magazines and books for fifty years. I have been an
(40:50):
editor of magazines and books for fifty years. Grammar is
punctuation and subject verb agreement. Grammar is not claiming that
you were in combat when you weren't. Grammar is not
(41:13):
claiming you retired at a rank that you didn't retire at.
Those are lies. Those are objective lies that you know
are not the truth. It's not like, oops, I misspoke.
I love that media says, well, he says he misspoke.
If Trump says it, the media doesn't say he misspoke,
(41:35):
They say he lied. But Tim Wall says it, and
we know it's demonstrably untrue somehow, that's where he just misspoke. No,
he lied, and he lied repeatedly, and he lied over
a number of years. This is not grammar. This is
(41:59):
some time of adverrent behavior from someone who has built
himself up through lies. Whether it's claiming he was the
head football coach when he wasn't, or claiming that he
retired at a rank which he didn't, or claiming that
he was in combat which he wasn't, or issuing a
(42:22):
challenge coin with an inappropriate and incorrect rank on it.
That's all a lie. Every one of those is the lie.
I mean not that this election is really about the
vice president, but it's part of a larger picture, a
larger package. And of course you got the whole Kambla
(42:45):
Harris now lying about everything she said over the past
decade or decade and a half all the positions that
she staked out very firmly, including the confiscation of uttered rifles,
mandatory buybacks. I'm sorry, you can't buy back what you
(43:06):
never had. And if it's mandatory, it's confiscation. Whether you're
offering money or not, it's confiscation because people do not
have the option of saying, I opt out of your
offer to buy my gun. And now she said, well, no,
that's not really what I want to do. Now really,
and all those other things fracking, you wanted to band fracking,
and now you're not in favorite bank. You know why
(43:28):
the Democrats are not upset where they're lying about this
stuff because they know she's lying. All of her new
positions that are centrist, they know they're all lies. And
she will immediately go back and be the ultraliberal that
she always has been. And yes, she does want to
confiscate your guns, make no mistake about it. Eight six
(43:52):
' six talk gun. I'm Tom Gresham, gun talking about
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