May 24, 2026 • 44 mins
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-- Gun rights activists gather next week at the New England Firearms Advocacy Conference, where they will share experiences and plan strategy to support the Second Amendment. Holly Sullivan of the Citizens Committee To Keep And Bear Arms explains what will happen there.
-- Is the 10mm enough for bear protection?
-- Looking isn't seeing. How do you learn to see trouble and avoid it?
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-- Gun rights activists gather next week at the New England Firearms Advocacy Conference, where they will share experiences and plan strategy to support the Second Amendment. Holly Sullivan of the Citizens Committee To Keep And Bear Arms explains what will happen there.
-- Is the 10mm enough for bear protection?
-- Looking isn't seeing. How do you learn to see trouble and avoid it?
Gun Talk 05.24.26 Hour 2
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Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah, we're still talking about guns around here. I'm Tom Gresham. Well,
it's called gun talks. And what do you else, What
do you think we're gonna be doing around here? We
talk about guns well, and the second I'm going then advocacy.
Of course, we talk about all of that. If if
you have a gun you want to tell me about
or maybe a question to ask, Maybe maybe you just
have been thinking about buying your first gun you're not
(01:10):
sure how to go about it or what you need,
by all means, give me a call. We'll talk it through.
You know, they're all saying there are no stupid questions.
That's not true. There are some, but we can help you.
They're not gonna be stupid questions today. Okay, we'll help
you out with that. Give me a call. Eight sixty
six Talk gun or Tom, Talk Gun. Joining Ris right
now as Holly Sullivan from the Citizens Committee for the
(01:31):
Right to Keep in Bare Arms. Holly, I'm glad that
you are here. What is this event you got going
next week?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Tom, so thankful for having me on. So we actually
have a first of its kind conference coming up next weekend, Saturday,
May thirtieth, in Chickapea, Massachusetts. So this is the New
England Firearms Advocacy Conference, and we have an all star
lineup of legislators, attorneys, second Amendment groups and it's really
(01:59):
bringing New England together in a way that's never happened before.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
What's the idea behind it? Who's going and what are
they going to get out of this?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Absolutely So attendees literally it can be anybody. You can
be a gun owner. You could not be a gun owner,
just believe in the Second Amendment, maybe want to learn
more about what's going on in two A advocacy. Here
in New England. We live pretty deep behind the blue
curtain here, as I like to call it. I'm here
in Connecticut, and we are a pretty anti Second Amendment state,
(02:32):
and we are hosting the conference in Massachusetts, which of
course is also a very anti Second Amendment state. And
I think part of the message there is that we're
willing to go where the fight is. It's not enough
to just do it in the places where those Second
Amendment rights are respected. We really have to be fighting
the fight on the ground, and chick a Pee is
(02:52):
absolutely the perfect place for it. So anybody who's driving
distance or if you want to hop on a plane
at this point, you certainly can. Some people are. But
we've got folks coming from all across New England, the
tri state area coming in to really start doing a
deep dive into Second Amendment challenges here in New England.
(03:12):
We have legislators coming from various states. We've got senators,
we've got House representatives. We're going to hear from five
or six different attorneys throughout the day. It is really
a jam pack deep dive into the Second Amendment problems
in New England, what to look out for, what are
our victories, what's working, what's not? And most importantly, and
(03:33):
what I'm most excited about, is how do we start
making progress together? How do we break down barriers, get
out of our silos and start talking to our neighbors
and our neighboring states about how we can start to
move the needles in the other direction.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
It sounds like it's kind of a small version of
the Gun Rights Policy Conference where people get together say, Okay,
what are you guys doing over there that's working? What
have you run into over there? We can learn from you.
And in terms of the people who attend this, where
do they get out of it is figuring out what
actually works, how to win, and what does winning look
(04:11):
like because and you know, Holly, a lot of the folks,
unfortunately on our side, sometimes they're enthusiastic but not really
politically savvy about what really works. And it's not enough
to say, hey, we've got the Second Amendment and we're right. Well,
those two things are true, but you could be right
and continue to lose. And sometimes in these blue states
(04:33):
that's what's been going on.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Absolutely, and you're spot on when you're talking about Gun
Rights Policy Conference. So as I'm sure you know, Gun
Right's Policy Conference is hosted by two organizations, the Second
Amendment Foundation and the Citizens Committee for the Right to
Keep Them Their Arms. These two organizations are both chaired
by Alan Gottlieb, and so we are the Citizens Committee
for the Right to Keep Them Their Arms that is
hosting this conference, New England Firearms Advocacy Conference. And I
(04:58):
think part of the amazing thing about this is that
we're taking that really high level content that you get
at gRPC and bringing it locally so that the average
person has access to it. And one of the wonderful
things about New England is it's very drivable. We've got
six states where we're kind of jammed in together, so
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it's very accessible to everybody here. I mean, you know,
I get it, and may northern Mainers may have a
little bit of a hike, but for the vast majority
of the population of New England, Chickapea, Massachusetts is dead
in the center where everybody can easily get there be
a highway. So really, yes, you're exactly right. We're taking
that concept and making it more locally accessible, Holly.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
In my head, I'm seeing a person who's in that area,
who believes in the Second Amendment, wants to do something
about the Secondmendment, and whether they've he or she had
voiced it, their saying to themselves, yeah, but I really
don't know anything about this. I don't know what to do.
You know, this person could go to this conference and
(06:03):
sit there and not say a word. You're not going
to be put on the spot of what are you doing,
and just absorb and just learn and go, oh, okay,
there are some things that I individually can be doing
to help with the process.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Absolutely, And we're going to have all of the players
from their state in the room. So if you don't
yet know how to make a difference, this is the
perfect opportunity to have a moment to introduce yourself for
whatever it is, and it will come to you and
say hey, thanks for being here, like what's your interests?
And they may say, well, you know, maybe they're from
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the Free State of New Hampshire but they don't like
the direction that their legislatures starting to go, or maybe
they're in Maine and they recently saw what it's like
to get these bad bills. Same goes for Vermont. You know, Vermont,
we kind of assume here in Connecticut, Vermont is very
free to us. But you know, folks from the honor
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seeing some bad bills for the very first time, This
is really an opportunity to make those connections. And every
single state will have representation in that room as far
as what's happening in your state legislature, what's happening in
the Second Amendment world in your local area, and how
to be a part of it.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
And for the person who's sitting there in Florida or
Mississippi or Missouri saying okay, well, why do I care
about that? Here's why you care is because what happens
in California and what happens in New England oozes out
like slime to the rest of the country. And if
you stop it there, it makes a difference. And let
me ask you how, I mean, I love what the
(07:41):
concept of this. In essence, it's like a regional gun
rights policy conference. Is there talk yet? And I know
this is very early on because you're just starting this one,
but is there talk about maybe taking this to other
regions of the country.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
There absolutely is, And it's already in the work, so
we do. We have folks that are flying in from
this to this conference, from San Diego, from Arizona. They's
got a gentleman coming up from Georgia. We've got coming
from Ohio. And this is really the exciting direction that
Citizens Committee is going is taking this really important information
(08:17):
and getting it out to the local area. So that
is exactly what we're working on. New Jersey's very fired
up about it, you know, and bringing this conference out
to different regions. And I think you're going to see
a lot more coming out of the Citizens Committee for
the Right to Keep the bear arms.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
To me, this is the answer to people who say
I would love to help, but I don't know how.
This is the one where they say, Okay, this is how,
this is who you work with, this is who you join,
this is what it takes. Just put your toe in
the water. We'll take you the rest of the way.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
That's exactly right, and it's really the most welcoming group
of people. Anybody who's in our community in the second
eleven community knows that you will be welcomed with open
arms and how can we help you? And let's chat
and keep in touch and it's just the most wonderful
group of all American people just doing what they can
to fight the good fight.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And this is coming up next Saturday, right it is.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Yeah, So it's Saturday, May thirtieth. It's nine to four
thirty in Chickapea, Massachusetts, and there are still general admission
tickets available, so I would encourage folks to please buy
them in advance so we can give the venue the
opportunity to get an adequate headcount for food. But your
twenty five dollars admission to this conference gives you a pastry, breakfast,
(09:34):
coffee throughout the day, and we're going to feed you lunch,
so you really cann't go wrong for twenty five dollars.
And I'm very grateful for our sponsor at USCCA to
to helped make that possible for twenty five dollars to
come in and get a full immersive day including food
throughout the day.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Where did they sign up? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Super easy. So the Citizens Committee for the Right to
Keep the Bear Arms is simply ceased KBA dot org
and then forward slash SAC which chandfor Firearms Advocacy Conference.
If that's too much to remember, just do a simple
Google New England Firearms Advocacy Conference. It will pop right
up right there and if folks are interested, I would
(10:16):
really encourage them to purchase tickets either today on Sunday
or tomorrow on Monday. We'd love to have our headcounting
to the venue for Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
There you go. Systems Committee for the Right to Keep
in Bear Arms CCRKBA dot Org. Holly, thank you so much.
A great idea. I love seeing the idea that this
is going to move around the country. This is a
great concept.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Thanks so much.
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Speaker 2 (10:39):
All Right, you take care of yourself. A great weekend.
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These aren't just guns.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Well, we're just talking about gun unfriendly states. And then
last week we get this story comes out. Ruger Ruger
Firearms headquartered in Southport, Connecticut, founded in nineteen forty nine
by William Bannerman Ruger W. William B. Ruger and Alexander
Stern was Sturm Ruger. Of course, they they're leaving. They're
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leaving Connecticut. They're moving their headquarters to Mayo Dane, North Carolina,
where they've had a factory in a presence for some
time now. Ruger has factories all over the country. Actually,
I was surprised at this one. Honestly. They've been in
Connecticut from the found founding, from the beginning, and yet
(14:32):
maybe I shouldn't have been because Connecticut has to become
rapidly antisecond Amendment viciously. I mean to the point of
saying that they're going to ban glocks, and everything's like
a glock, including the Ruger rx M. We'll see how
that goes in the courts. But I guess they probably
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just got to the point where the political political environment
was just so ugly that they couldn't stay there. Ruber
has plants in Newport, New Hampshire, Prescott, Arizona, Earth City, Missouri,
and hebron Kentucky. Of course, North Carolina is a good state.
(15:15):
It doesn't have permitless carry, it's not perfect. Who knows,
maybe the Ruger influence can make a difference there as well.
So that's kind of interesting. We have seen a number
of gun companies move, Smith and Wesson moving down to
Tennessee from Massachusetts. Some other companies have moved, like Bagpull
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moved several years ago. And it's interesting because the governors
or the legislature whoever it is a lot of himself,
say well, they're not going to move. It costs them
too much to move. They've been they realized well no,
actually they just left. And then of course they come
back and say, well that's fine, goodbye. Who cares? Well,
they do care because they've took a lot of jobs
(15:57):
with them, but weirdly enough, their agenda, their narrative, is
more important to them than having people have good paying
jobs in their state. So that's what's going on with Ruger.
All right. So I did two things the last couple
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of weeks that I'm able to connect to my mind
and wouldn't seem like they're connected. Maybe. I did the
two fifty class, the Jeff Cooper Commemorative two fifty class
at Gunsight. It's five days of fire's instruction. And then
this week I did three days of training where I
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was the student doing backcountry flying here in Idaho, that
is flying in the mountains, through the canyons, landing at
little bitty air strips out in the middle of nowhere,
little gravel strips where there are no roads, and trying
to figure out how do you get into here? How
do you fly through this river? How do you fly?
I mean it's like a Star Wars approach, flying through
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a canyon through almost like a tunnel, and getting some
good instruction and in the process. I mean, I loved it. It
was great fun because I love flying. It's like my
other turning money into noise activity guns and airplanes. I
don't do boats. I've done a lot of boats. I
grew up in boats. I have the best boats in
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the world right now. My friends have boats, and they
say that we don't run our boats enough. You know
where the keys are. Just take our boats anytime you want. Okay, cool,
don't work. It's kind of like other people's ammo. Other
people's boats works really well for me too, so I
get to do that. But yeah, I fly old airplanes.
As I tell people, I drive old cars so that
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I can fly an old airplane. That's fine. But the
risk analysis was similar between the guns and the airplanes
of doing things to say Okay, I know that I
recognize the danger here. When you are flying in the
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back country, you got nothing but rocks and trees under you,
and some places there's no good place to put a
plane down if you had to. You are mitigating risks.
I was thinking about that round I had where I
had the reversed primer that cost me to shoot off.
I am going to say it cost me to shoot off.
(18:30):
In my mind, I can say, well, I was going
to win that. Now I may not want it, but
that's okay. I can blame it on the primer, right.
But you know, think about this. Inspecting your AMMO every
single round that you use for self defense or for
competition is not unlike doing a pre flight on an airplane.
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You walk around, you check it, You check the oil,
and you check the gas. You check all the important
stuff because this is important and in the case of
a self defense gun or an airplane, you could end
up dead if you do it wrong. Okay, this is
really important. That's why we have procedures. That's why we
have checklist, That's why we have certain way that we
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draw the gun. That's why we have a certain way
that we put the gun back into the holster. We
have a certain way that we move that we when
we shoot, we stay on the site. Just in aviation,
I've heard it said a lot, and we have a
lot of regulations they call they're called the faars, the
Federal Aviation Regulations. And people have said, look, all the
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fairs are written in blood because they are a result
of accidents. And we figured out what happened, and we
came up with a regulation to try to address that.
And in a way we think about the what we
do with guns and self defense guns. A lot of
the procedures that we use if you go get good
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trading are the same thing. They are a result of
examining what worked and what didn't, what went wrong? How
do we address that? How can we be better at this?
It's just I don't know. I find the parallels very interesting.
So it's a lot of his mindset and we talk
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about that affair amount. It's like getting your head right.
Getting your head right is trying to avoid the situation.
You know what, do we say the best way to
win a gunfight is to not be there? Just how
about just don't be there when this thing goes down?
And how do you achieve that way? You ramp up
your awareness, you're looking around. We talked about having that
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code word. We've talked about that on the show here
for years for your family of you have this word,
the one that one of the instructors said, he said,
our family word came up with. He said, I'll let
the kids choose it. It was a broken arrow. Something
that's not going to come up in a conversation. If
one of the members of our family says, broken arrow,
we need to go to the parking lot right now,
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Nobody says, why, what's going on? What are you talking about?
What are you? Nope, yes, put down your fork, let's
go stand up or walking out the door right now.
We'll discuss it once we get out there. But we
got to go broken arrow that we need to go
to the car right now. Okay? Cool. It buys time
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in the ten seconds or thirty seconds, it buys you,
maybe enough to get you away from whatever it is
that's going down. And maybe there's nothing going down. Maybe
you just saw something that looked a little weird and
funky going. I don't like that. I don't know what's
going on over there. I don't want to be here
when this thing gets sorted out, and maybe you come
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back in two minutes and it's not a thing at all.
But it's a part of the mindset of being aware.
Not staring at your phone when you're walking through a
parking lot. For heaven's sakes, if you have to do
something on your phone somewhere, back up and put your
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walk You're back against a wall, so people can't sneak
up behind you while you're staring at this thing in
front of you. It's like, well, I never would have
thought of that. Yes, I know, that's why we talk
about it here. What are the things you do? What
do you do to say, Okay, I'm going to be
a little bit more aware. Something you do when you're
driving in traffic, Something you do when you're crossing the
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street or in a parking lot or some other place.
I know you have things that you do. What do
you do and what do you tell your family? Give
me a holler at eight six six talk Gun or
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You know, it doesn't really matter if you want to
talk about handguns or rifles or shotgun. We'll talk about
all of those are ways to store your guns safely.
They're available to you for self defense, but still secure
against somebody else. Get in the hold of it. Basically,
we'll talk about pretty much anything. Give me a Hollo
eight sixty six talk gun. If you got a thought
(23:15):
on that, our question, how you want to proceed, we'll
help you out there. Let's see. Paul called in from Nampa,
Idaho online too. Hey Paul, you're on gun Talk. What's up?
Speaker 12 (23:26):
Hey, Good afternoon, Tom. Great Memorial Day weekend going on here? Hey,
I got a rain report for a I carried three
to eighty and I used to carry a Versa because
I could afford it. And I walked into a gun
show the other gun show, gunshop the other day, and
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in the case was a Barretta eighty five bb OH
with blue scale slide and a luminum frame. And it's
just a single stack, but I kind of like that because, uh,
a little slimmer profile. But I've got big hands, so
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frame put my hand and the thing shoots really well.
I like it considerably more than the than the Versa, triggers, nice,
et cetera.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Well, Yeahretta, it's it's double action, single action, right. The
Asa correct. Correct? Did you have any trouble with the
transition between that heavy first double action pole and then
the next one being a single action pole?
Speaker 12 (24:41):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (24:45):
On the Bursa, yeah, you know, I don't want to
I want to rain on their parade. But compared to
the Barretta, it was like night and day.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Well yeah, I mean you look at it now. I
know you bought the Barretta used, but if you looked
at the the retail price is probably two or three
times the cost of the Bursa.
Speaker 12 (25:06):
Uh yeah. I actually bought it at at Cabella's and
uh you know, I dropped my wife off across the
street to go shopping, and I went shopping in burt
Oh so you used huh yeah. So I was not
expecting to uh buy again, but walked into their library
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and there they were. I'd never actually seen one before.
I go, that's a good looking little pistol.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
And uh well, I can just tell you that it's
that's never happened to me, and that I walked into
a store and ended up buying a gun I didn't
expect to buy. I can't imagine how that would happen
to anybody.
Speaker 12 (25:47):
Yeah, well, that the bonus. The bonus was they took
took the bursa on trade. So oh wow there with
a nice.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Little Now that that is a nice pistol. And yeah,
with today's modern three eighty defensive, ammo, it's just fine.
You got to check yourself. A nice pistol there, Wait
to go, paula good ranger Port. Thank you for the call, sir.
Let's grab James online one out of Texas. Hey James,
you're on gun Talk. What's going on here?
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Oh Timmy, your friends might need to look out for
a former congressman, former anti gun Congressman Swalwell who had
to resign due.
Speaker 12 (26:26):
To sexual assault charges.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
In Yes, speakers at the Brady Action Awards in twenty
twenty four, big fundraiser for them. It was on YouTube,
but they took it down. I have heard that it's
supposedly a film clip of Swallwell with a woman who
accused him of sexually assaulting her right after this event.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yeah, it's interesting how some of the politicians will go
be a speaker at or appear with the gun band groups,
but then they want to basically erase all of the
evidence of that because they want to claim that they
are a moderate in the middle of the road or
the whole. Well, I support the Second Amendment, but they
(27:11):
always know the butt in, you know, but actually do
want to take your guns away, which is a weird
kind of way to support the Second Amendment. But no,
you're you're exactly right. I mean you have slime balls
like Swallwell and and others. I mean, you got well
right now in Virginia, the governor, she was a volunteer
and activist for the anti gun lobby, and how she
(27:34):
is the governor after proclaiming herself to be a moderate
and not at all against the Second Amendment, and of
course now she's still pushing for it and just signed
gun bands in Virginia. So yeah, no, you make an
excellent point. You got to keep an eye on these
folks and watch what they do, not what they say,
and if they're getting money from the gun band lobby,
and if they are particularly like guest speakers that these
(27:56):
places are, they're volunteers their gun banners. No matter what
they say, they'll say, yeah, I don't really no, no, no,
no no. If you're aligned with those folks, you're a
gun banner. Great call, sir. I appreciate the heads up
on that. Let's go to hell and online five out
of North Dakota. Hey, how you're on gun Talk? What's up?
Speaker 13 (28:12):
Yeah? Yeah, I've been listening to your show for a while,
and I've been hearing all this talk about magazine capacity
and silent thurs and all that. It reminded me of
when I was a kid in our hardware store, must
have been about forty eight forty nine around and there
(28:35):
when this pastor brought it a four ten Stevens pistol
into our hardware store, and he told my dad he's
feeling more like a criminal every day because because he
owned this little garden gun for cottontails and gophers in
his garden. And my dad as much as told him,
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when you don't don't feel alone, the sort of the
guys that got marble game getters, or the guys that
happened to sot their shotgun barrels, or the guys that
just had returned from Germany with an automatic pistol in
their sea bag, or even his uncle had a spand
(29:20):
out machine gun from World War One hanging over his
his mantle as a reminder of the war. So, uh,
I think we don't want to lose sight of the
fact that the Second Amendment has has really nothing to
do with hunting or target shooting or even even personal defense.
(29:44):
It has to do with preventing government tyranny. Who get
another guy like Paul Potter Hitler or malech he Tongue.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
That's that's why they put it into the constitution. They
just fought this war of independence and the British had
come to take their guns. That's how the Revolutionary War started,
and they said, we're going to make sure we put
this in there that if we end up with a
tyrannical government, the people will have the arms they need,
not necessarily firearms, at arms, which includes a lot of
(30:17):
different things to be able to resist this kind of tyranny.
So you're you're right on the money, You're exactly right.
Good call, Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. And of
course the Supreme Court in Heller does say that, yes,
the Second Amendment is about fighting tyranny, but it's also
for self defense. So they've included that that's been incorporated
(30:40):
into what the Supreme Court supports. That unfortunately has been
twisted and I wouldn't say misinterpreted, but that's not right,
misstated basically lied about from a number of states. You say, well,
you know, the Supreme Court said that, you know, you
can't ban guns that are in common use for self defense.
(31:01):
I'm sorry, that is not what the Supreme Court said
in Heller. What they said was you cannot ban guns
that are in common use for lawful purposes. And then
they added, such as for self defense. That was a
(31:23):
here's an example of common use for lawful purposes. So
self defense would be a lawful purpose. There would be
a number of other lawful purposes. But at no point
did the Supreme Court ever say that you can't ban
guns that are in common use for self defense. And
yet that is what's in the briefs of the gun
banners before the federal courts across the country. They misquote purposely,
(31:51):
they misquote the Supreme Court in this decision, and some
of the courts are actually letting them get away with it,
and they're supporting this not misinterpretation, because that would be
like saying, well, I don't quite understand they understand exactly.
They're lying about what the Supreme Court said. And some
of these judges in these district courts and even judges
(32:14):
sitting on federal appellate courts are buying into the hoax.
They're buying into the line saying, oh, yeah, you the
Supreme courts are the right of the Second Amendment only
says that you can't ban guns that are in common
use for self defense. Nope, nope, nope, nope, that's not
(32:34):
what Supreme Court said. So just you got to be
alert and awared about that kind of stuff. All right,
let's go, let's see. I think we've got time you.
Let's grab Dennis online one out of Arkansas. Hey Dennis,
you're on Gun Talk?
Speaker 14 (32:50):
Hi, Tom, how are you doing.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I'm great?
Speaker 14 (32:53):
What's that? Glad to get a chance to talk to
you about the gut twenty five. I own, okay, some
stup of a hand injury on my shooting hand. And
I've heard of one of the shows that you'd mentioned,
only uh we called uction device you would want to
(33:14):
put on that was I don't remember if you said
a muggle brake or a compensator, and you should please
do not put this on there, but instead use this.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I am not remembering that. I would definitely not put
any kind of compensator or recoid reducer on that g
T twenty five pistol. It's just not something I would do.
I would see how bad is the injury and what
do you what? Can you shoot.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
My? Uh?
Speaker 6 (33:50):
Eight?
Speaker 14 (33:52):
Okay, too much shame.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
But well that's interesting because I was going to say, well,
why don't we gear down to a three eighty and
have you shoot that? And look, not everybody can shoot
a ten And maybe is the injury gonna heal to
where you'll be able to get back and shooting at
ten at some point?
Speaker 14 (34:09):
Do you think I'm working on that and going through
I can take some therasis for that. But this is
my gun. Sorry, when I go out.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Oh it's your bear gun?
Speaker 14 (34:21):
Yeah? And there's more. Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Can I suggest have you tried shooting the GT twenty five,
the ten milimeter pistol with your hands?
Speaker 14 (34:34):
Now?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Can you shoot it one time?
Speaker 14 (34:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Okay, okay, if you can shoot it one time, you
can shoot it ten times, because trust me, when mister
bear wants to crawl all over you, you will shoot
it ten times and never worry about that it hurts
your hand. You won't even notice it.
Speaker 14 (34:57):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I wouldn't go out and practice with it, but you
already know how to shoot it. I would carry that. Now, yeah,
you can get some lighter loads, which will you know,
probably be just fine because you're looking at black bears there.
You don't have grizzlies, So I would probably be maybe
think about a little bit lighter load, but I would
carry that ten and just understand that you will be
(35:21):
fully adrenalized if you need to shoot a bear in
self defense, because he's going to be close and you're
going to be giving him everything you can. At the
end of it, you won't know how many rounds you shot,
and you won't even feel it in your hands. Maybe
the next day you will, but you'll be able to
do what you need to do. So I would practice
with the three eighty and carry the ten. We'll say,
(35:45):
all right, good deal. I think it's gonna work out fine.
It's funny. I appreciate the call. Funny you mentioned that
I've just for the last three days when I was
flying in the back country, I was carrying my GT.
Twenty five pistol. That's that special gun we had a
short run made of with Ruger out of the customs
show up. It's a commander sized nineteen eleven steel frame
shooting the ten milimeter auto cartridge, and I was carrying that,
(36:07):
and I'm outside the way, spent holster. Just wear to
vest for concealment, you know, Look, is the ten the
best thing for a bear? No, it's not. All handguns
are a compromise when it comes to bear protection. If
I really wanted to have a gun to protect myself
against bears, I'd carried a three seventy five EH and
(36:27):
H rifle, great big sucker, But that's cumbersome, and so
we got to find a compromise somewhere between that and
not carrying anything, and so the handgun works. A three
fifty seven I've carried those. I would carry a three
fifty seven, a ten, a forty one, or a forty
four magnum. That's kind of where I would be. Probably
(36:48):
not a four fifty four casole I have one, Probably not,
just because I don't think I can do follow up
shots very quickly with that. There's just too much recoil.
I would add in a forty five Colt with the
right loads. A good forty five colt with good hard
casts lead bullets, you get great penetration in a big,
(37:09):
old frontal area, there would work. I do have five
hundred Smith and Wesson revolver, too much recoil for follow
up shots, for quick follow up shots, and so again compromises. Look,
if you can shoot one of those and shoot it
(37:30):
fast and accurately and have to be accurate because you
can't miss fast enough to stop, charge more power to you.
I'm pretty sure I can't, and I shoot a lot.
I'm going to be shooting more. By the way. Oh
tip for you, if you are a watcher of YouTube
(37:50):
videos I'm shooting, be aware that some of these folks
are shooting at lightning speed. They're using a few tricks
that may not apply to you, so don't feel bad
about yourself. Tricks like I was watching and look, Max
Michelle is the real deal. He's a really good shooter.
But I was watching him do a string, shooting really fast,
and the empty brass is barely coming out of the gun.
(38:14):
I mean it's just barely clearing the ejection port. Now
I'm looking at it and thinking, man, that has some
light loads and there's almost no recoil. So he's shooting
really light loads, just enough power to make the gun function,
which is fine. Look, he's there to shoot fast and
hit targets. I get it. There's nothing wrong with that.
It's not cheating, it's just doing what you got to do.
(38:35):
All On the other hand, there are other people, and
Max is not one of these people, who will shoot
their fast draws and fast splits and everything else, and
you may not be aware unless you look at it carefully,
that they're speeding up the video. Yes, that is taking place.
So there are YouTube videos out there people with lightning
(38:56):
fast shooting and great splits and super times. If they're
not showing you the targets, and they're not showing you
where they placed in the match and who they beat
and how many people were competing, there's a possibility just
saying watch out for it. If you're watching videos, say,
were the targets falling faster than they should steal targets
(39:19):
or the brass cases flying faster than they shoot out
of the gun. Did they speed up the video a
little bit there just to make them look a little faster.
I'm sure that no one's ever done. Yeah, of course
they do. How Dom Grass, You'll be right back. Hey,
(39:46):
let's go straight to the phones. Tom's Dan Fargo, North Dakota. Tom,
Thanks for your patience. You have the floor, sir, Yes.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
Sir, so talk about observing. I've talked to you before,
and I deliver stuff. And when I'm ever in a
parking lot, coming out of a store, sidewalk wherever I am,
I look and then it says, you know how it says,
And look at a stop sign twice, look again, because
then you then you'll get details. You scan over, look
(40:14):
again and look again. See what's hiding in the shadows,
See what's hiding behind whatever is going to pop out
between the cars. That kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
There's a difference between looking and seeing, isn't there?
Speaker 6 (40:26):
That's right? And it's just like in my car. The
rear rear view mirror on my windshield will often block
vehicles coming off exit ramps or entrance ramps rather entrance
wraps our vehicles. At stop signs, it will block it.
Look again, look around. It's the same thing. It doesn't
matter if you're in the woods, in the parking lot,
(40:48):
especially parking lots, parking garages, that kind of stuff. All that, yeah,
but always always I have to use I'm sorry I
have to use GPS. I don't like it, but I
don't have that thing. Talk to me versus looking at
my phone.
Speaker 12 (41:04):
I'll let it.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
Let it talk to me.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I really don't, right, So you can be looking at
the road and looking for obstructions and things going on
out there, and they can talk you.
Speaker 6 (41:15):
Into the turns exactly, exactly brilliant.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I love it. Thank you, Tom, I appreciate that. Good stuff. Man.
Here's what I thought for you. Also when you're driving,
And I actually learned this from self defense guys who
really special forces kind of guys who do stuff. The
idea of there were two of them run the scenario,
and before they started, and the inside of a building,
(41:39):
one says, you look long, I'll look short. I thought,
what was that? What do you just say? Well, you
can't do both. You can't look all the way down
the end of the hallway and look short at what's
going on right around you. I thought, well, that's interesting,
So I started utilizing that. Try this just as an
(42:01):
when you're driving your car, think this, think look long,
look short, scan left, scan right, long, short, left right,
Drive your eyes way down the road, see what's going
on way down, and not just the car in front
of you, but a bunch of cars in front of you,
(42:22):
or if it's a big open stretch of road, what's
going on a half mile down the road. Is there
a critter? Is their truck? Is there something weird going on?
You see it ahead of time and then come back
and look short, see what's going on around you. But
it's a way of exercising your eyes so they don't
kind of just glaze over, get dull, looking at the
same place over and over again. You also a lot
(42:44):
of times see interesting things that way. But you just
as you're driving, think look long, look short, scan left
and right. Now when I say scan left and right,
I'm talking about looking to the left of the road
and to the right of the road. What's going on
over there? Is there a pedestrian, Is there a deer?
Is there a torontosaurus? Wrecks coming out? I don't know,
(43:05):
but you you want to be looking because if it
is a t rex, you want to be the first
one to see it. There you go. So just saying
it's a it's a way of living intentionally, of not
just going through the motions. And I will tell you
a lot of times I turn probably eighty or ninety
(43:28):
percent of the time when I'm driving, I don't have
a radio on because I don't I'm in no radio,
no news, no music, no nothing, because I don't want
the distraction. I want to be there, right where I am,
because I find that when I have that radio play,
I'm not really there and you'll drive for miles and
miles and miles and not even remember driving or where
you went or what you saw. I know you can
(43:49):
do it, we all have done it. But I'm just
throwing it out there. Maybe it's something that you want
to consider. There you go, all right. When we come back,
I want to talk about what's going on. We just
want an important second mimic case. We'll cover that and
we'll take your calls and comments here eight sixty six
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now as Holly Sullivan from the Citizens Committee for the
(01:31):
Right to Keep in Bare Arms. Holly, I'm glad that
you are here. What is this event you got going
next week?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Hey?
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Tom, so thankful for having me on. So we actually
have a first of its kind conference coming up next weekend, Saturday,
May thirtieth, in Chickapea, Massachusetts. So this is the New
England Firearms Advocacy Conference, and we have an all star
lineup of legislators, attorneys, second Amendment groups and it's really
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bringing New England together in a way that's never happened before.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
What's the idea behind it? Who's going and what are
they going to get out of this?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Absolutely So attendees literally it can be anybody. You can
be a gun owner. You could not be a gun owner,
just believe in the Second Amendment, maybe want to learn
more about what's going on in two A advocacy. Here
in New England. We live pretty deep behind the blue
curtain here, as I like to call it. I'm here
in Connecticut, and we are a pretty anti Second Amendment state,
(02:32):
and we are hosting the conference in Massachusetts, which of
course is also a very anti Second Amendment state. And
I think part of the message there is that we're
willing to go where the fight is. It's not enough
to just do it in the places where those Second
Amendment rights are respected. We really have to be fighting
the fight on the ground, and chick a Pee is
(02:52):
absolutely the perfect place for it. So anybody who's driving
distance or if you want to hop on a plane
at this point, you certainly can. Some people are. But
we've got folks coming from all across New England, the
tri state area coming in to really start doing a
deep dive into Second Amendment challenges here in New England.
(03:12):
We have legislators coming from various states. We've got senators,
we've got House representatives. We're going to hear from five
or six different attorneys throughout the day. It is really
a jam pack deep dive into the Second Amendment problems
in New England, what to look out for, what are
our victories, what's working, what's not? And most importantly, and
(03:33):
what I'm most excited about, is how do we start
making progress together? How do we break down barriers, get
out of our silos and start talking to our neighbors
and our neighboring states about how we can start to
move the needles in the other direction.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
It sounds like it's kind of a small version of
the Gun Rights Policy Conference where people get together say, Okay,
what are you guys doing over there that's working? What
have you run into over there? We can learn from you.
And in terms of the people who attend this, where
do they get out of it is figuring out what
actually works, how to win, and what does winning look
(04:11):
like because and you know, Holly, a lot of the folks,
unfortunately on our side, sometimes they're enthusiastic but not really
politically savvy about what really works. And it's not enough
to say, hey, we've got the Second Amendment and we're right. Well,
those two things are true, but you could be right
and continue to lose. And sometimes in these blue states
(04:33):
that's what's been going on.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Absolutely, and you're spot on when you're talking about Gun
Rights Policy Conference. So as I'm sure you know, Gun
Right's Policy Conference is hosted by two organizations, the Second
Amendment Foundation and the Citizens Committee for the Right to
Keep Them Their Arms. These two organizations are both chaired
by Alan Gottlieb, and so we are the Citizens Committee
for the Right to Keep Them Their Arms that is
hosting this conference, New England Firearms Advocacy Conference. And I
(04:58):
think part of the amazing thing about this is that
we're taking that really high level content that you get
at gRPC and bringing it locally so that the average
person has access to it. And one of the wonderful
things about New England is it's very drivable. We've got
six states where we're kind of jammed in together, so
(05:18):
it's very accessible to everybody here. I mean, you know,
I get it, and may northern Mainers may have a
little bit of a hike, but for the vast majority
of the population of New England, Chickapea, Massachusetts is dead
in the center where everybody can easily get there be
a highway. So really, yes, you're exactly right. We're taking
that concept and making it more locally accessible, Holly.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
In my head, I'm seeing a person who's in that area,
who believes in the Second Amendment, wants to do something
about the Secondmendment, and whether they've he or she had
voiced it, their saying to themselves, yeah, but I really
don't know anything about this. I don't know what to do.
You know, this person could go to this conference and
(06:03):
sit there and not say a word. You're not going
to be put on the spot of what are you doing,
and just absorb and just learn and go, oh, okay,
there are some things that I individually can be doing
to help with the process.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Absolutely, And we're going to have all of the players
from their state in the room. So if you don't
yet know how to make a difference, this is the
perfect opportunity to have a moment to introduce yourself for
whatever it is, and it will come to you and
say hey, thanks for being here, like what's your interests?
And they may say, well, you know, maybe they're from
(06:38):
the Free State of New Hampshire but they don't like
the direction that their legislatures starting to go, or maybe
they're in Maine and they recently saw what it's like
to get these bad bills. Same goes for Vermont. You know, Vermont,
we kind of assume here in Connecticut, Vermont is very
free to us. But you know, folks from the honor
(06:59):
seeing some bad bills for the very first time, This
is really an opportunity to make those connections. And every
single state will have representation in that room as far
as what's happening in your state legislature, what's happening in
the Second Amendment world in your local area, and how
to be a part of it.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
And for the person who's sitting there in Florida or
Mississippi or Missouri saying okay, well, why do I care
about that? Here's why you care is because what happens
in California and what happens in New England oozes out
like slime to the rest of the country. And if
you stop it there, it makes a difference. And let
me ask you how, I mean, I love what the
(07:41):
concept of this. In essence, it's like a regional gun
rights policy conference. Is there talk yet? And I know
this is very early on because you're just starting this one,
but is there talk about maybe taking this to other
regions of the country.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
There absolutely is, And it's already in the work, so
we do. We have folks that are flying in from
this to this conference, from San Diego, from Arizona. They's
got a gentleman coming up from Georgia. We've got coming
from Ohio. And this is really the exciting direction that
Citizens Committee is going is taking this really important information
(08:17):
and getting it out to the local area. So that
is exactly what we're working on. New Jersey's very fired
up about it, you know, and bringing this conference out
to different regions. And I think you're going to see
a lot more coming out of the Citizens Committee for
the Right to Keep the bear arms.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
To me, this is the answer to people who say
I would love to help, but I don't know how.
This is the one where they say, Okay, this is how,
this is who you work with, this is who you join,
this is what it takes. Just put your toe in
the water. We'll take you the rest of the way.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
That's exactly right, and it's really the most welcoming group
of people. Anybody who's in our community in the second
eleven community knows that you will be welcomed with open
arms and how can we help you? And let's chat
and keep in touch and it's just the most wonderful
group of all American people just doing what they can
to fight the good fight.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And this is coming up next Saturday, right it is.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Yeah, So it's Saturday, May thirtieth. It's nine to four
thirty in Chickapea, Massachusetts, and there are still general admission
tickets available, so I would encourage folks to please buy
them in advance so we can give the venue the
opportunity to get an adequate headcount for food. But your
twenty five dollars admission to this conference gives you a pastry, breakfast,
(09:34):
coffee throughout the day, and we're going to feed you lunch,
so you really cann't go wrong for twenty five dollars.
And I'm very grateful for our sponsor at USCCA to
to helped make that possible for twenty five dollars to
come in and get a full immersive day including food
throughout the day.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Where did they sign up? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (09:54):
Super easy. So the Citizens Committee for the Right to
Keep the Bear Arms is simply ceased KBA dot org
and then forward slash SAC which chandfor Firearms Advocacy Conference.
If that's too much to remember, just do a simple
Google New England Firearms Advocacy Conference. It will pop right
up right there and if folks are interested, I would
(10:16):
really encourage them to purchase tickets either today on Sunday
or tomorrow on Monday. We'd love to have our headcounting
to the venue for Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
There you go. Systems Committee for the Right to Keep
in Bear Arms CCRKBA dot Org. Holly, thank you so much.
A great idea. I love seeing the idea that this
is going to move around the country. This is a
great concept.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Thanks so much.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
Tom.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
All Right, you take care of yourself. A great weekend.
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Speaker 11 (13:25):
These aren't just guns.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Well, we're just talking about gun unfriendly states. And then
last week we get this story comes out. Ruger Ruger
Firearms headquartered in Southport, Connecticut, founded in nineteen forty nine
by William Bannerman Ruger W. William B. Ruger and Alexander
Stern was Sturm Ruger. Of course, they they're leaving. They're
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leaving Connecticut. They're moving their headquarters to Mayo Dane, North Carolina,
where they've had a factory in a presence for some
time now. Ruger has factories all over the country. Actually,
I was surprised at this one. Honestly. They've been in
Connecticut from the found founding, from the beginning, and yet
(14:32):
maybe I shouldn't have been because Connecticut has to become
rapidly antisecond Amendment viciously. I mean to the point of
saying that they're going to ban glocks, and everything's like
a glock, including the Ruger rx M. We'll see how
that goes in the courts. But I guess they probably
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just got to the point where the political political environment
was just so ugly that they couldn't stay there. Ruber
has plants in Newport, New Hampshire, Prescott, Arizona, Earth City, Missouri,
and hebron Kentucky. Of course, North Carolina is a good state.
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It doesn't have permitless carry, it's not perfect. Who knows,
maybe the Ruger influence can make a difference there as well.
So that's kind of interesting. We have seen a number
of gun companies move, Smith and Wesson moving down to
Tennessee from Massachusetts. Some other companies have moved, like Bagpull
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moved several years ago. And it's interesting because the governors
or the legislature whoever it is a lot of himself,
say well, they're not going to move. It costs them
too much to move. They've been they realized well no,
actually they just left. And then of course they come
back and say, well that's fine, goodbye. Who cares? Well,
they do care because they've took a lot of jobs
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with them, but weirdly enough, their agenda, their narrative, is
more important to them than having people have good paying
jobs in their state. So that's what's going on with Ruger.
All right. So I did two things the last couple
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of weeks that I'm able to connect to my mind
and wouldn't seem like they're connected. Maybe. I did the
two fifty class, the Jeff Cooper Commemorative two fifty class
at Gunsight. It's five days of fire's instruction. And then
this week I did three days of training where I
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was the student doing backcountry flying here in Idaho, that
is flying in the mountains, through the canyons, landing at
little bitty air strips out in the middle of nowhere,
little gravel strips where there are no roads, and trying
to figure out how do you get into here? How
do you fly through this river? How do you fly?
I mean it's like a Star Wars approach, flying through
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a canyon through almost like a tunnel, and getting some
good instruction and in the process. I mean, I loved it. It
was great fun because I love flying. It's like my
other turning money into noise activity guns and airplanes. I
don't do boats. I've done a lot of boats. I
grew up in boats. I have the best boats in
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the world right now. My friends have boats, and they
say that we don't run our boats enough. You know
where the keys are. Just take our boats anytime you want. Okay, cool,
don't work. It's kind of like other people's ammo. Other
people's boats works really well for me too, so I
get to do that. But yeah, I fly old airplanes.
As I tell people, I drive old cars so that
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I can fly an old airplane. That's fine. But the
risk analysis was similar between the guns and the airplanes
of doing things to say Okay, I know that I
recognize the danger here. When you are flying in the
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back country, you got nothing but rocks and trees under you,
and some places there's no good place to put a
plane down if you had to. You are mitigating risks.
I was thinking about that round I had where I
had the reversed primer that cost me to shoot off.
I am going to say it cost me to shoot off.
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In my mind, I can say, well, I was going
to win that. Now I may not want it, but
that's okay. I can blame it on the primer, right.
But you know, think about this. Inspecting your AMMO every
single round that you use for self defense or for
competition is not unlike doing a pre flight on an airplane.
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You walk around, you check it, You check the oil,
and you check the gas. You check all the important
stuff because this is important and in the case of
a self defense gun or an airplane, you could end
up dead if you do it wrong. Okay, this is
really important. That's why we have procedures. That's why we
have checklist, That's why we have certain way that we
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draw the gun. That's why we have a certain way
that we put the gun back into the holster. We
have a certain way that we move that we when
we shoot, we stay on the site. Just in aviation,
I've heard it said a lot, and we have a
lot of regulations they call they're called the faars, the
Federal Aviation Regulations. And people have said, look, all the
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fairs are written in blood because they are a result
of accidents. And we figured out what happened, and we
came up with a regulation to try to address that.
And in a way we think about the what we
do with guns and self defense guns. A lot of
the procedures that we use if you go get good
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trading are the same thing. They are a result of
examining what worked and what didn't, what went wrong? How
do we address that? How can we be better at this?
It's just I don't know. I find the parallels very interesting.
So it's a lot of his mindset and we talk
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about that affair amount. It's like getting your head right.
Getting your head right is trying to avoid the situation.
You know what, do we say the best way to
win a gunfight is to not be there? Just how
about just don't be there when this thing goes down?
And how do you achieve that way? You ramp up
your awareness, you're looking around. We talked about having that
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code word. We've talked about that on the show here
for years for your family of you have this word,
the one that one of the instructors said, he said,
our family word came up with. He said, I'll let
the kids choose it. It was a broken arrow. Something
that's not going to come up in a conversation. If
one of the members of our family says, broken arrow,
we need to go to the parking lot right now,
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Nobody says, why, what's going on? What are you talking about?
What are you? Nope, yes, put down your fork, let's
go stand up or walking out the door right now.
We'll discuss it once we get out there. But we
got to go broken arrow that we need to go
to the car right now. Okay? Cool. It buys time
(21:29):
in the ten seconds or thirty seconds, it buys you,
maybe enough to get you away from whatever it is
that's going down. And maybe there's nothing going down. Maybe
you just saw something that looked a little weird and
funky going. I don't like that. I don't know what's
going on over there. I don't want to be here
when this thing gets sorted out, and maybe you come
(21:50):
back in two minutes and it's not a thing at all.
But it's a part of the mindset of being aware.
Not staring at your phone when you're walking through a
parking lot. For heaven's sakes, if you have to do
something on your phone somewhere, back up and put your
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walk You're back against a wall, so people can't sneak
up behind you while you're staring at this thing in
front of you. It's like, well, I never would have
thought of that. Yes, I know, that's why we talk
about it here. What are the things you do? What
do you do to say, Okay, I'm going to be
a little bit more aware. Something you do when you're
driving in traffic, Something you do when you're crossing the
(22:35):
street or in a parking lot or some other place.
I know you have things that you do. What do
you do and what do you tell your family? Give
me a holler at eight six six talk Gun or
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(23:15):
on that, our question, how you want to proceed, we'll
help you out there. Let's see. Paul called in from Nampa,
Idaho online too. Hey Paul, you're on gun Talk. What's up?
Speaker 12 (23:26):
Hey, Good afternoon, Tom. Great Memorial Day weekend going on here? Hey,
I got a rain report for a I carried three
to eighty and I used to carry a Versa because
I could afford it. And I walked into a gun
show the other gun show, gunshop the other day, and
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in the case was a Barretta eighty five bb OH
with blue scale slide and a luminum frame. And it's
just a single stack, but I kind of like that because, uh,
a little slimmer profile. But I've got big hands, so
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frame put my hand and the thing shoots really well.
I like it considerably more than the than the Versa, triggers, nice,
et cetera.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Well, Yeahretta, it's it's double action, single action, right. The
Asa correct. Correct? Did you have any trouble with the
transition between that heavy first double action pole and then
the next one being a single action pole?
Speaker 12 (24:41):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (24:45):
On the Bursa, yeah, you know, I don't want to
I want to rain on their parade. But compared to
the Barretta, it was like night and day.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Well yeah, I mean you look at it now. I
know you bought the Barretta used, but if you looked
at the the retail price is probably two or three
times the cost of the Bursa.
Speaker 12 (25:06):
Uh yeah. I actually bought it at at Cabella's and
uh you know, I dropped my wife off across the
street to go shopping, and I went shopping in burt
Oh so you used huh yeah. So I was not
expecting to uh buy again, but walked into their library
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and there they were. I'd never actually seen one before.
I go, that's a good looking little pistol.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
And uh well, I can just tell you that it's
that's never happened to me, and that I walked into
a store and ended up buying a gun I didn't
expect to buy. I can't imagine how that would happen
to anybody.
Speaker 12 (25:47):
Yeah, well, that the bonus. The bonus was they took
took the bursa on trade. So oh wow there with
a nice.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Little Now that that is a nice pistol. And yeah,
with today's modern three eighty defensive, ammo, it's just fine.
You got to check yourself. A nice pistol there, Wait
to go, paula good ranger Port. Thank you for the call, sir.
Let's grab James online one out of Texas. Hey James,
you're on gun Talk. What's going on here?
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Oh Timmy, your friends might need to look out for
a former congressman, former anti gun Congressman Swalwell who had
to resign due.
Speaker 12 (26:26):
To sexual assault charges.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
In Yes, speakers at the Brady Action Awards in twenty
twenty four, big fundraiser for them. It was on YouTube,
but they took it down. I have heard that it's
supposedly a film clip of Swallwell with a woman who
accused him of sexually assaulting her right after this event.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Yeah, it's interesting how some of the politicians will go
be a speaker at or appear with the gun band groups,
but then they want to basically erase all of the
evidence of that because they want to claim that they
are a moderate in the middle of the road or
the whole. Well, I support the Second Amendment, but they
(27:11):
always know the butt in, you know, but actually do
want to take your guns away, which is a weird
kind of way to support the Second Amendment. But no,
you're you're exactly right. I mean you have slime balls
like Swallwell and and others. I mean, you got well
right now in Virginia, the governor, she was a volunteer
and activist for the anti gun lobby, and how she
(27:34):
is the governor after proclaiming herself to be a moderate
and not at all against the Second Amendment, and of
course now she's still pushing for it and just signed
gun bands in Virginia. So yeah, no, you make an
excellent point. You got to keep an eye on these
folks and watch what they do, not what they say,
and if they're getting money from the gun band lobby,
and if they are particularly like guest speakers that these
(27:56):
places are, they're volunteers their gun banners. No matter what
they say, they'll say, yeah, I don't really no, no, no,
no no. If you're aligned with those folks, you're a
gun banner. Great call, sir. I appreciate the heads up
on that. Let's go to hell and online five out
of North Dakota. Hey, how you're on gun Talk? What's up?
Speaker 13 (28:12):
Yeah? Yeah, I've been listening to your show for a while,
and I've been hearing all this talk about magazine capacity
and silent thurs and all that. It reminded me of
when I was a kid in our hardware store, must
have been about forty eight forty nine around and there
(28:35):
when this pastor brought it a four ten Stevens pistol
into our hardware store, and he told my dad he's
feeling more like a criminal every day because because he
owned this little garden gun for cottontails and gophers in
his garden. And my dad as much as told him,
(28:58):
when you don't don't feel alone, the sort of the
guys that got marble game getters, or the guys that
happened to sot their shotgun barrels, or the guys that
just had returned from Germany with an automatic pistol in
their sea bag, or even his uncle had a spand
(29:20):
out machine gun from World War One hanging over his
his mantle as a reminder of the war. So, uh,
I think we don't want to lose sight of the
fact that the Second Amendment has has really nothing to
do with hunting or target shooting or even even personal defense.
(29:44):
It has to do with preventing government tyranny. Who get
another guy like Paul Potter Hitler or malech he Tongue.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
That's that's why they put it into the constitution. They
just fought this war of independence and the British had
come to take their guns. That's how the Revolutionary War started,
and they said, we're going to make sure we put
this in there that if we end up with a
tyrannical government, the people will have the arms they need,
not necessarily firearms, at arms, which includes a lot of
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different things to be able to resist this kind of tyranny.
So you're you're right on the money, You're exactly right.
Good call, Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. And of
course the Supreme Court in Heller does say that, yes,
the Second Amendment is about fighting tyranny, but it's also
for self defense. So they've included that that's been incorporated
(30:40):
into what the Supreme Court supports. That unfortunately has been
twisted and I wouldn't say misinterpreted, but that's not right,
misstated basically lied about from a number of states. You say, well,
you know, the Supreme Court said that, you know, you
can't ban guns that are in common use for self defense.
(31:01):
I'm sorry, that is not what the Supreme Court said
in Heller. What they said was you cannot ban guns
that are in common use for lawful purposes. And then
they added, such as for self defense. That was a
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here's an example of common use for lawful purposes. So
self defense would be a lawful purpose. There would be
a number of other lawful purposes. But at no point
did the Supreme Court ever say that you can't ban
guns that are in common use for self defense. And
yet that is what's in the briefs of the gun
banners before the federal courts across the country. They misquote purposely,
(31:51):
they misquote the Supreme Court in this decision, and some
of the courts are actually letting them get away with it,
and they're supporting this not misinterpretation, because that would be
like saying, well, I don't quite understand they understand exactly.
They're lying about what the Supreme Court said. And some
of these judges in these district courts and even judges
(32:14):
sitting on federal appellate courts are buying into the hoax.
They're buying into the line saying, oh, yeah, you the
Supreme courts are the right of the Second Amendment only
says that you can't ban guns that are in common
use for self defense. Nope, nope, nope, nope, that's not
(32:34):
what Supreme Court said. So just you got to be
alert and awared about that kind of stuff. All right,
let's go, let's see. I think we've got time you.
Let's grab Dennis online one out of Arkansas. Hey Dennis,
you're on Gun Talk?
Speaker 14 (32:50):
Hi, Tom, how are you doing.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
I'm great?
Speaker 14 (32:53):
What's that? Glad to get a chance to talk to
you about the gut twenty five. I own, okay, some
stup of a hand injury on my shooting hand. And
I've heard of one of the shows that you'd mentioned,
only uh we called uction device you would want to
(33:14):
put on that was I don't remember if you said
a muggle brake or a compensator, and you should please
do not put this on there, but instead use this.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
I am not remembering that. I would definitely not put
any kind of compensator or recoid reducer on that g
T twenty five pistol. It's just not something I would do.
I would see how bad is the injury and what
do you what? Can you shoot.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
My? Uh?
Speaker 6 (33:50):
Eight?
Speaker 14 (33:52):
Okay, too much shame.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
But well that's interesting because I was going to say, well,
why don't we gear down to a three eighty and
have you shoot that? And look, not everybody can shoot
a ten And maybe is the injury gonna heal to
where you'll be able to get back and shooting at
ten at some point?
Speaker 14 (34:09):
Do you think I'm working on that and going through
I can take some therasis for that. But this is
my gun. Sorry, when I go out.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Oh it's your bear gun?
Speaker 14 (34:21):
Yeah? And there's more. Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Can I suggest have you tried shooting the GT twenty five,
the ten milimeter pistol with your hands?
Speaker 14 (34:34):
Now?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Can you shoot it one time?
Speaker 14 (34:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Okay, okay, if you can shoot it one time, you
can shoot it ten times, because trust me, when mister
bear wants to crawl all over you, you will shoot
it ten times and never worry about that it hurts
your hand. You won't even notice it.
Speaker 14 (34:57):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
I wouldn't go out and practice with it, but you
already know how to shoot it. I would carry that. Now, yeah,
you can get some lighter loads, which will you know,
probably be just fine because you're looking at black bears there.
You don't have grizzlies, So I would probably be maybe
think about a little bit lighter load, but I would
carry that ten and just understand that you will be
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fully adrenalized if you need to shoot a bear in
self defense, because he's going to be close and you're
going to be giving him everything you can. At the
end of it, you won't know how many rounds you shot,
and you won't even feel it in your hands. Maybe
the next day you will, but you'll be able to
do what you need to do. So I would practice
with the three eighty and carry the ten. We'll say,
(35:45):
all right, good deal. I think it's gonna work out fine.
It's funny. I appreciate the call. Funny you mentioned that
I've just for the last three days when I was
flying in the back country, I was carrying my GT.
Twenty five pistol. That's that special gun we had a
short run made of with Ruger out of the customs
show up. It's a commander sized nineteen eleven steel frame
shooting the ten milimeter auto cartridge, and I was carrying that,
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and I'm outside the way, spent holster. Just wear to
vest for concealment, you know, Look, is the ten the
best thing for a bear? No, it's not. All handguns
are a compromise when it comes to bear protection. If
I really wanted to have a gun to protect myself
against bears, I'd carried a three seventy five EH and
(36:27):
H rifle, great big sucker, But that's cumbersome, and so
we got to find a compromise somewhere between that and
not carrying anything, and so the handgun works. A three
fifty seven I've carried those. I would carry a three
fifty seven, a ten, a forty one, or a forty
four magnum. That's kind of where I would be. Probably
(36:48):
not a four fifty four casole I have one, Probably not,
just because I don't think I can do follow up
shots very quickly with that. There's just too much recoil.
I would add in a forty five Colt with the
right loads. A good forty five colt with good hard
casts lead bullets, you get great penetration in a big,
(37:09):
old frontal area, there would work. I do have five
hundred Smith and Wesson revolver, too much recoil for follow
up shots, for quick follow up shots, and so again compromises. Look,
if you can shoot one of those and shoot it
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fast and accurately and have to be accurate because you
can't miss fast enough to stop, charge more power to you.
I'm pretty sure I can't, and I shoot a lot.
I'm going to be shooting more. By the way. Oh
tip for you, if you are a watcher of YouTube
(37:50):
videos I'm shooting, be aware that some of these folks
are shooting at lightning speed. They're using a few tricks
that may not apply to you, so don't feel bad
about yourself. Tricks like I was watching and look, Max
Michelle is the real deal. He's a really good shooter.
But I was watching him do a string, shooting really fast,
and the empty brass is barely coming out of the gun.
(38:14):
I mean it's just barely clearing the ejection port. Now
I'm looking at it and thinking, man, that has some
light loads and there's almost no recoil. So he's shooting
really light loads, just enough power to make the gun function,
which is fine. Look, he's there to shoot fast and
hit targets. I get it. There's nothing wrong with that.
It's not cheating, it's just doing what you got to do.
(38:35):
All On the other hand, there are other people, and
Max is not one of these people, who will shoot
their fast draws and fast splits and everything else, and
you may not be aware unless you look at it carefully,
that they're speeding up the video. Yes, that is taking place.
So there are YouTube videos out there people with lightning
(38:56):
fast shooting and great splits and super times. If they're
not showing you the targets, and they're not showing you
where they placed in the match and who they beat
and how many people were competing, there's a possibility just
saying watch out for it. If you're watching videos, say,
were the targets falling faster than they should steal targets
(39:19):
or the brass cases flying faster than they shoot out
of the gun. Did they speed up the video a
little bit there just to make them look a little faster.
I'm sure that no one's ever done. Yeah, of course
they do. How Dom Grass, You'll be right back. Hey,
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let's go straight to the phones. Tom's Dan Fargo, North Dakota. Tom,
Thanks for your patience. You have the floor, sir, Yes.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
Sir, so talk about observing. I've talked to you before,
and I deliver stuff. And when I'm ever in a
parking lot, coming out of a store, sidewalk wherever I am,
I look and then it says, you know how it says,
And look at a stop sign twice, look again, because
then you then you'll get details. You scan over, look
(40:14):
again and look again. See what's hiding in the shadows,
See what's hiding behind whatever is going to pop out
between the cars. That kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
There's a difference between looking and seeing, isn't there?
Speaker 6 (40:26):
That's right? And it's just like in my car. The
rear rear view mirror on my windshield will often block
vehicles coming off exit ramps or entrance ramps rather entrance
wraps our vehicles. At stop signs, it will block it.
Look again, look around. It's the same thing. It doesn't
matter if you're in the woods, in the parking lot,
(40:48):
especially parking lots, parking garages, that kind of stuff. All that, yeah,
but always always I have to use I'm sorry I
have to use GPS. I don't like it, but I
don't have that thing. Talk to me versus looking at
my phone.
Speaker 12 (41:04):
I'll let it.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
Let it talk to me.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
I really don't, right, So you can be looking at
the road and looking for obstructions and things going on
out there, and they can talk you.
Speaker 6 (41:15):
Into the turns exactly, exactly brilliant.
Speaker 2 (41:18):
I love it. Thank you, Tom, I appreciate that. Good stuff. Man.
Here's what I thought for you. Also when you're driving,
And I actually learned this from self defense guys who
really special forces kind of guys who do stuff. The
idea of there were two of them run the scenario,
and before they started, and the inside of a building,
(41:39):
one says, you look long, I'll look short. I thought,
what was that? What do you just say? Well, you
can't do both. You can't look all the way down
the end of the hallway and look short at what's
going on right around you. I thought, well, that's interesting,
So I started utilizing that. Try this just as an
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when you're driving your car, think this, think look long,
look short, scan left, scan right, long, short, left right,
Drive your eyes way down the road, see what's going
on way down, and not just the car in front
of you, but a bunch of cars in front of you,
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or if it's a big open stretch of road, what's
going on a half mile down the road. Is there
a critter? Is their truck? Is there something weird going on?
You see it ahead of time and then come back
and look short, see what's going on around you. But
it's a way of exercising your eyes so they don't
kind of just glaze over, get dull, looking at the
same place over and over again. You also a lot
(42:44):
of times see interesting things that way. But you just
as you're driving, think look long, look short, scan left
and right. Now when I say scan left and right,
I'm talking about looking to the left of the road
and to the right of the road. What's going on
over there? Is there a pedestrian, Is there a deer?
Is there a torontosaurus? Wrecks coming out? I don't know,
(43:05):
but you you want to be looking because if it
is a t rex, you want to be the first
one to see it. There you go. So just saying
it's a it's a way of living intentionally, of not
just going through the motions. And I will tell you
a lot of times I turn probably eighty or ninety
(43:28):
percent of the time when I'm driving, I don't have
a radio on because I don't I'm in no radio,
no news, no music, no nothing, because I don't want
the distraction. I want to be there, right where I am,
because I find that when I have that radio play,
I'm not really there and you'll drive for miles and
miles and miles and not even remember driving or where
you went or what you saw. I know you can
(43:49):
do it, we all have done it. But I'm just
throwing it out there. Maybe it's something that you want
to consider. There you go, all right. When we come back,
I want to talk about what's going on. We just
want an important second mimic case. We'll cover that and
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