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-- Noted 2A journalist AWR Hawkins delivers the update on big Second Amendent developments of the week.
-- Women For Gun Rights hits DC to lobby officials. Dianna Mueller describes the action,.
-- How to choose between two popular rifle calibers. The new Gun Talk Scout Rifle comes in 5.56 and .308, and the sales between the two surprised Tom.
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-- Noted 2A journalist AWR Hawkins delivers the update on big Second Amendent developments of the week.
-- Women For Gun Rights hits DC to lobby officials. Dianna Mueller describes the action,.
-- How to choose between two popular rifle calibers. The new Gun Talk Scout Rifle comes in 5.56 and .308, and the sales between the two surprised Tom.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
We We got to get ten pounds into a five
pound bag today. There's so much going on. Glad that
you are with me. I'm Tom Gresham, I'm the host,
and this is gun Talk. We're going to be having
some fun talk about us, some cool guns, some interesting things,
talk about different CALIBERI, different cartridges and that sort of thing.
And of course, as always we talk about pretty much
anything that's ballistic in nature. But we have to talk
(00:54):
about the Second Amendment and what's going on there. And
it has been a crazy week events taking place, some
good actually some very good, and some problematic, maybe more
of a got a stall, if you will, a hiccup
that we're gonna have to overcome. And honestly, there's no
one who is better at keeping up with this thean
(01:18):
aw R Hawkings. He's an award winning second amendmic columnist
for Bright Barton News. He's been writing about this for
a long time. As a political analyst, he does all
sorts of stuff. And I think, Awr, I think that
we catch you into the airport about to head out.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Oh yes, sir, I'm at airport fixing a fixing a
go to Montana to do some hunting with the Attorney General,
Canutson and cool. I know, I know that, I know
that you and the Attorney General know each other. And
when I mentioned to him I was going to be
on with you, I could see him smiling through the phone.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well, Austin is the real deal. He's an Attorney general
who really likes guns, really likes competition, shooting and hunting,
and so we never have to explain anything to him.
In fact, a lot of times it goes the other way.
All right, So let's do this. I know you're pressed
on time. They're going to call your flight, and I
appreciate your agreeing to be in here with us, if
(02:17):
you would, How do you even start off? Where do
you want to start? Ninth circuit? What they did?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Well, ninth circuit, that's a good start. You know, you
have you know Trump, A lot of people missed it
on his first goal around his first administration, but he
changed the face of that Ninth Circuit. We used to
what do we used to call it, Tom, A lot
of people would call it the Ninth Circuits. It was
so crazy, and he during his first administration began to
put him justices there. And now we have a three
(02:46):
judge panel decision that upholds the Second Amendment Foundation's victory
in overturning the one gun a month rule. And so
that's a heck of a judgment. Tom, that's a great
deal to chip away. If that California gun control.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Oh it really is. It's for those who don't know,
don't live out there in California. You're limited to one
gun a month. If you go in and find two
guns that you really like, sorry you can't buy those
because it's only one gun a month. But then the
Ninth Circuit strikes that down with some really interesting comments
and things like, well, you know, there's really no other
right where we put a meter on it until you
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can only exercise your right every thirty days. They said, well,
if you can do that, why not every six months,
why not once a year?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
And they're right, right, what did you get only speak
so many words freely a month? I mean, it's the
same idea, and it's ludicrous. So this was a great.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Judgment, right. Well, imagine them saying, I'm sorry, you have
already had free speech once this month, and you're going
to have to wait a month before you have free
speech again.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Yeah, that's it. That's ridiculous. But when you put it
in those terms, I think it's very helpful, Tom, because
then people see it. Because some people hear it about
a gun and they go, well, I don't know, maybe
that's three. But when you put it in the context
of another freedom or another right, I do believe you
see it. What if they said, well, you went to
church once this month, so that's it. You get freedom
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of religion once a month. And you know, if you
begin to look at it like that and really chase
it out, you go, okay, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah. At its core, the point we're making is the
Second Amendment is every bit the same right as the
First Amendment. Free speech and owning guns are exactly the
same in terms of being protected by the Constitution and
the Bill of Rights. And you should not try to
make the Second Amendments some kind of second class right
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of saying, oh, well, that's guns, when we can infringe
upon that. Now, we'd never do that for free speech,
or we're going to do it to guns and the
Second Amendment.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
You're exactly right, and that's what people have to understand.
I don't know a why, Tom. I mean, I guess
because the left just hates guns that much, but it
hates what they represent, which is freedom. But they have
been trying for decad to turn the Second Amendment into
a second class right. They really have. We just can't
let that.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Happen, you know. And sometimes I think, honestly to AWR
that it's not the guns that they hate, it's actually
gun owners. They actually hate us that much, and I
think that's at the core of it.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
I would agree with you. I would agree with you
one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
All right, So moving on, we got stuff going on.
I just saw you just put out something about Greg
Abbott and Texas signing this bill into a law. You
wanted to tell everybody what just happened there.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Well, Texas has a prohibitive weapons list, and short barrel
rifles and shotguns have been on that for some time,
and so he signed a law to basically removes those
and the timing couldn't be more perfect. And I don't
guess he saw this coming. I'm not putting him down
because I think Greg Abbott is a great man, but
so he has signed this and what it means, of course,
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if you're in Texas, you still have to follow NFA
regulations National Firearms Act regulations, so you still have to
go through the fingerprinting, the background check, all the federal requirements,
paid the tax, but the parts of Texas law that
stood in the way are gone. But the timing of
this was perfect, tom As you know, because we're on
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the verge right now with the one big beautiful bill.
If the Senate preserves the language that you knit, then
once that bill is passed and signed by Trump, there
will be no more NFA regulation on short bail rifles
and shotguns, and so the tax will be gone, the
cumbersome purchase process will be gone. So I mean, this
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is really it's a great it's great news for Texas,
but it's occurring at a time when this could be
a whole new day for gun owners across the country.
So it's remarkable news in that way.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
All right, let me ask you you expound upon that,
because I want to make sure that people are understanding.
Part of this big, beautiful bill that everybody's talking about
is a provision to you basically get rid of the
NFA requirements on suppress the silencers as well as short
barel rifles and shotguns. I mean, this has been an
effect since nineteen thirty four, and we have generations of
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people who just come to believe, well, yeah, of course
those are all regulated items, and with a stroke of
a pen that could all be changed.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
That's exactly it. You just summed it up perfectly. Yeah.
Now people will still have to pass the background check.
I think that's an important point, Tom, because the Left
is running around going now they'll be able to get
suppressors without a background check. Well no, now, I'm not
saying that I agree or disagree with that. I'm just
saying that the way it's written, you'll still have to
pass the background check. But what it means is you
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would go into your local gun store. I'm hunting with
a Henry Lever Action Supreme this week in Montana. Guess what,
I have a suppressor on it. But Let's say I
didn't I want a suppressor. Under the new regulations that
will be in the Big Beautiful Bill, I would go
in and go through the same background check for a
suppressor that I would go through now for a six
(08:01):
hour handgun. That's an instant background check, and I immediately
walk out of a store with my suppressor. There's no fingerprinting,
there's no photographing, there's no intense atf registration process, and
most importantly to me, there's no two hundred dollars federal
tax anymore. Ever again, so that is what the one
(08:21):
big Beautiful Bill can wipe out for suppressors, stortbel rifles
and shortbail shotguns.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Amazing stuff. All right, So now we'll switch over to
North Carolina, where things are not as rosy as we'd like,
not terrible, but you got this Democrat governor who just
vetoed constitutional carry right.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
And I hate this for North Carolinians, Tom, because North
Carolina was well on its way, was on a perfect
track to become the thirtieth constitutional carry state in the Union.
Would have meant three fifths of our country where it
was constitutional carry. And I'll be if the Democrat governor
didn't do what I was a little bit scared he
(09:05):
was going to do. He detoted, and I don't believe.
I hope I'm wrong. Come, but I don't believe that
they can override the veto because you have two members
of the Republican Party in that state who have dug
in and opposed constitutional carry. And I believe without those
two Republicans joining an override effort, I don't believe it's
(09:27):
possible override it. Again. I hope I'm wrong. I'll be
glad to wake up tomorrow and tell everybody I was wrong.
I hope it happened, but I don't think it's possible.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, And frankly, anybody in North Carolina who's hearing this
needs to be contacting their legislators and say we want
constitutional carry. It is the law in twenty nine states.
There have been no down turns with that, no downside
to it at all, no problems, and the people in
North Carolina need to have the same rights as people
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in twenty nine other states.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Right well, And you know, tom, here's the problem I
have regards of which state we're talking about, but I
know right now it's North Carolina. When I read that
Second Amendment Tom, it says that I have a right
to keep and bear arms, but it does not say
unless I missed it, Tom, it doesn't say I have
a right to bear arms as long as I have
a permit. And that's what bothers me.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
I believe.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
I believe a canceal carried permitting process in many ways
is a very egregious sun controlling because it's kind of
snuck in on us. We accepted that when things begin
to change in the late eighties and the nineties, and
we accepted that as a way that we could begin
to defend our lives. Which understand why we did it
and how it happened. But I believe now we're in
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a different area and we realize Wait, our founding fathers
the Second Amendment was their casial carried permit, and I
believe that's how it needs to be for each of us,
not just in twenty nine states.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Well, yeah, to your point, we started clawing back some
of our Second Amends, right, so a piece of the
time and part of it was Okay, we're going to
have to have a permit system to carry, but that's
the only way we're going to get to carry, and
then we'll come back and address that maybe next year,
maybe in ten years, maybe in thirty years, which is
what's happening. It's more like thirty years. But we are
(11:14):
getting it back piece by piece. But I'm going to
dress just for a second. Have you weigh in on this.
People do get acclimated to whatever the conditions are. They think, well, yeah,
of course you know you can't buy machine guns, or
you you know, made after nineteen eighty six, or of
course you need a permit. I like to start off
with this premise there should be no gun control laws
(11:37):
at all, not a single one. They should all be repealed,
and then challenge people, now, tell me why we should
have any gun control law, what it would accomplish, and
why we should have that infringement. I want to start
from scratch. Instead of accepting what's now you know the law,
Let's go back and say, all right, there's nothing. Tell
me why we should have.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Any I agree with God. I can't argue, I can't
I add, I can't. All I can say, and what
I'm saying is a complete compliment to what you said.
I speak at the Reagan Ranch a couple of times
a year, Tom, and the last time I spoke there.
What I told them is this that it should be
as easy for me a law abouting citizen. It should
be as easy for me to get a gun as
it is for criminal to get a gun. That was
(12:18):
my starting premise. And then I did exactly what you say.
And what that means, Tom, is there can't be any
gun control because gun control does not keep criminals from
getting guns. If it does, Chicago would be the greatest
success story in the world. So with Los Angeles, so
with New York City, so with Newark, New Jersey, so
with Washington, d C. But these places aren't success as Tom,
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because gun control ultimately empowers the criminal and weakens the
law abouting citizen.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
All right, do you still have a couple more matters
before you have to get on that airplane? Yes, sir, okay?
So I love this story. Stephen King, the novelist, the
author of it, and the shining He says that the
problem with this murder of politicians in Minnesota was not
(13:07):
with the murderer, but the problem is guess what the gun? Right?
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Right?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
I mean, Tom, it's I want to laugh. I mean
I want to laugh that I don't want to laugh
because people did lose their lives. But yeah, I mean, Tom,
what we have four hundred and thirty million plus fiums
owned in this country and that guy had four of
them and he illegally used one of them. And I mean,
(13:34):
it's just wild that you would look at those four
hundred and thirty million inanimate objects and assigned blamed to them.
We both know there are many ways to kill people,
and people find millions of ways to do it, or
many ways, I should say, to do it. And the
fact that this lunatic used the gun, I mean that,
the fact that you would seize on that completely misses
(13:56):
the fact that he thought this out so well, he
dressed up like an officer. He betrayed the trust in
so many ways I can't even list them all. And
I don't understand this. I've never understood that mentality of
the left, Tom, and maybe you have a better grip,
but I can't figure out how they affix blame to
an inanimate object. I really can't figure it out. It
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just goes to what I think you said when we
begin a sun call. It goes to their hatred of
gun owners.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Well, yeah, and they have this agenda, and of course
they've been able to manipulate the media so that coverage
of guns is all about crime. I mean, you know,
to a large number of people in America, guns do
in fact equal crime. They don't understand there's any need
for it. But that's why we need people like you
who expose that and tell people, I mean, everybody listening
(14:45):
to this niece of no facts like, oh, yeah, two
and a half million times a year Americans use guns
successfully in self defense. And that's not me saying that,
or the NERRA saying that. It was actually the Center
for Disease Control in a study that they tried to
bury and hide from the public after they said, well,
(15:05):
we're going to actually look into this whole idea of
people using guns of self to fans, and they said,
whoa two and a half million times a year, We
better not publish that, right.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I think you're exiety, I mean, you're exactly right, and
that number needs to be out there, and that number
was out there far more publicly until gun control groups
talked to the Sinishist Disease Control into scrubbing that from
their website. But you're exactly right, and you know, even
if you look at Gary Kleck's numbers, and I have
high respect for him. He puts it at a minimal
figure of about seven hundred to seventy thousand times a year.
(15:37):
That's minimal. It's far below the number you read, you mentioned,
but it bolsters the number you mentioned in that he says,
this is at a minimal this is what happens. And
so you're right. CNN will never report that, MSNBC will
never report it. You'll never hear it unless you're listening
to your show, or reading us at Breitbart, or reading
a few of the other outlets that can be trusted.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Exactly, or everybody listening. This is that intellectual ammunition I'm
talking about. You need to have this ready to go
at any time. You need to say. You know, people
starting about well guns this, guns, they say you can
start off by saying, you know, you may not be aware,
which is a nice way to disarm the arguments say
you may not be aware that Americans used guns in
(16:21):
self defense more than million times a year. A lot
of women are alive now or did not get raped
because they had a gun, And just throw that out
there and go people go what and they say that
can't be right, So well, actually it's right, and we've
had multiple university level studies, and now we've got the
Centers for Disease Control studying it, and they're all coming
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up with numbers anywhere between seven hundred thousand and three
million times a year.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Right, And just to add Ammo to what you said, Tom,
you think about on average, on average, it's up or
down a little bit, but give about thirteen to fourteen
thousand actual firearm suicides a year in America. Thirteen or
fourteen thousand. Now that seems like a crazy number. And
of course if that's a relative or someone you loved
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or anything, and it is a life loss, so that
we don't want thirteen or fourteen thousand. But now contrasts
that with two point five million justified uses to save life,
that it completely eclipses the criminal use of films. And
that's why they have to hide that truth. If it
ever gets out, the good news about guns will be overwhelming.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
And when we start using those numbers and get that out,
people at first they don't believe this because all they've
ever heard is the other side, because the media is
all on board and pushing the gun ban narrative and
that guns are bad, And so it takes some work
on our part to say this is what it is,
and this is where the numbers come from, and say
it again and again and again until people say, oh,
(17:53):
I finally am hearing what you're saying, because they don't
actually get it the first time you say it, do they.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
No, they don't. They don't. And it's because they're not
accustomed to listening. They're not accustomed to thinking. And that's
part of what the media is game in. Tom. And
I hate to say this. I got to get on
this plane to get to Montana so I can hunt
with the Attorney General. And I'm sorry, that's all right.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Tell the Attorney General hello for us, would you?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I'll do it, Tom, Thank you. Great to be with you.
I hope you have a great show, and I hope
you have another great year.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
All right, you too. A. W. R. Hawkins. You can
check them out over at bright bart where he's writing
about gun rights all the time. Thank you, sir. Yeah,
a lot of things going on, and this story about
Stephen King is just just another celebrity who's clueless. But
he does have a megaphone and he puts the word
out there in the media will repeat it. You know.
It's really why I started, God was almost thirty years ago.
(18:44):
Now the truth Squad, and you're part of the truth squad.
If you're listening to this and the Truth Squad simply
does this, it doesn't let those lies go unchallenged. Our
phrase is are saying, is a lie left unchallenged becomes
the truth? If that's all people hear, that's all people know.
(19:05):
And I know people say, well there's nothing I can do, Yeah,
there is. Every time you hear something like that or
see something like that, you have to challenge it. You
have to challenge it in the comments online on stories.
You have to challenge it when somebody says it. If
your local TV station runs a story like this, call them,
(19:27):
call the news director and say you may not be aware,
but you've just been conned. You ran a story that
was so upsided as to be unbelievable, because it is
in fact unbelievable. And then you got to have some
information behind you say you know the reality is and
then you fill in the blanks, which of course means
you have to know the facts. That's part of what
(19:49):
I do here. I try to get you the information.
When people say, what do you do with gun talk?
What do you do with the radio show, I say, well,
really two things. One, have some fun. We're going to
talk about guns and shooting and all the rest of it.
At the same time, we're going to try to get
out some information. And part of what I do is
try to go dig it out. I try to find it,
(20:11):
you know, reading people like AWR. Hawkins and others out there.
I'm out there looking at the news every day and
I'm putting out not just here on the radio, but
over on Twitter now called X. I am putting out
stories there all the times. If you want to be
better informed, if you want to have your intellectual ammunition
(20:33):
cartridge box, if you will full so that you have
something to draw on, you can follow me over on X.
I am at gun talk over there really easy, and
I'll put out who knows two to four a day
with links oh oh oh. One other thing. There are
a lot of people or maybe not even people, maybe bots,
(20:55):
and they put out these memes, these big text post
of so and so said this and this thing's going on,
and if people get outrage and make all kind of
comments about it. When you see something like that, be
a smart consumer of information. Look to see if there's
actually a link. If it is, make sure it's a
(21:17):
link to somebody you recognize, because it could be some
phony website somebody put up. And if there's no link
to the meme that says so and so did this
or has this happened or somebody said that, it's probably
not true. Don't allow them to get you outraged, because
that's all they're trying to do is build traffic online
(21:39):
with your comments, your sharing, all the rest of it
out there. So be a smarter consumer of the news. Okay.
At the same time, you can get involved at a
lot of different levels. You know, other people march to
other people protest. We can do the exact same thing.
How about marching for gun right? How about showing up
(21:59):
in Washington, d C. That's going on right now as
we are speaking. There is a women's march for gun rights. Hey,
what when we come back, we'll get the information on that.
Don't go fark. Hey, welcome back to gun Talk, Tom
(22:21):
Gresham here. You know, we're always talking about the need
to show up. The world belongs to those who show up,
and there's somebody who really does that in space. Diana
Miller joined us right now in Adana. You just got
back from where were you?
Speaker 7 (22:35):
Well, I just got back from the Czech Republic as
we shot the iPSC World PCC Pistol Caliber Carbine World Shoot,
and I love the country. I can give it two
thumbs up. I'd never been there before and was a
little concerned, huh. But yeah, we had a great trip
and we brought home some medals. The US brought home
(22:56):
a bunch of medals, but I personally brought home a
silver and the individual silver on my team. So it's
always more fun when you win.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Well, congratulations. Now, for those who don't know, your background
is a police officer and competitive shooter and now strong
Second Amendment advocate. So many years ago, God, it seems
like it's a long time ago. Now, you started the
DC Project getting women to go to DC and speak
to elected representatives, and you have now morphed the DC
(23:25):
Project into what.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
Women for Gun Rights is, the full fledged organization. We
realized that kind of the fight was in the States
and we were needing to basically build an army to
safeguard the Second Amendment. So would love for your audience
to join us. It's free to join or you can donate,
but at Womenfogun Rights dot org.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yes, we have to have as many voices as possible.
You're a doer, you never slow down, you never stop,
but you also look out there and say, okay, what
needs to happen for us to actually be effective as
opposed to sitting at home and things on the internet
and bitching about things and not doing anything. So not
only did you do BC project and on and on
(24:09):
and doing media training for inflorgers and also all right,
tell them what's going on this weekend?
Speaker 7 (24:16):
So this weekend is our annual fly in to Washington.
D C our fifty state directors will be attending, as
well as some special guests. This year, we're bringing some
social media personalities that have different audiences. So my goal
right now is to get outside of our silo, you know,
reach those audiences that might have like minded people but
(24:40):
aren't necessarily in the firearms space or in the Second
Amendment advocacy space. So like Rodeo, NASCAR, racing, MMA, fitness people.
I've got a model coming from Columbia. That's my focus
is trying to really help those women and men. You know,
(25:01):
men are surrounded by women as well, so we want
the men to jump on board just as much as
we do the women to make sure that they're that
there ladies in their their lives understand how important the
Second Amendment is, and they're being they're they're able to
protect themselves well.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
And you have people coming who can speak to what
it's like to be in a country where they don't
have a Second Amendment and what happens there. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:27):
Absolutely, We've got Gabby Franco coming. She's from Venezuela, so
she understands how dangerous socialism is. We've got, uh, We've
got a woman that's coming that have had to seal.
A rapist break into her home in the middle of
the night with a gun and she fought to save
her life, got the gun away from him, shot him
(25:47):
three times, and ran out of the house. And that's
very powerful, especially when you hear from the anti gun
people that you know, you you're more likely to have
the gun taken away from you and used against you. Well,
that might be a mental issue that you you know,
if you train that you're going to be the victor.
That's that's how it's that's very advantageous.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
You remind me of another cop buddy of mine. He says,
very simply says, I'm not going to lose period.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
Yeah. Yeah. And if you if you don't teach your
mind that your body can't can't follow.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
What exactly because when I said the body won't go
where the mind hasn't already gone. Right, all right, So
right now we've got these riots going on everywhere. We
got a ton of people around the country who are
starting to think, once again, gee, maybe we ought to
get a gun, honey, because this is kind of crazy
out there. Is there a way to take advantage of
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that awakening on the part of the public to get
a message to them.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
Well, that's why I think Women for Gun Rights is
so important, because we can speak to those people who
are centrist, maybe even a little anti gun, that are
waking up because of the things that are going on
around the world, and they can't hear from legacy organizations.
The NRA has been demonized to the point where that
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you know, it's they can't hear from them. GA says,
you know, abolish the ATF, and that makes their heads explode.
So I think Women for Gun Rights is positioned to
be able to speak to the middle of the road
that we really do need to speak to and bring
them into the fold, or at least move them from
anti to the middle. If we can get them agnostic
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about guns as opposed to opposing guns, we're still winning.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
You know, I have said for the thirty years I've
been on the air with this show that the fight
is for public opinion. And people go, well, you know,
while we have a second member. I said, yeah, you
do until you don't. And they go, what do you
mean even that can go away? I said, And I
tell people, look, all you've got to do is move
the needle on public opinion about three ticks and we win.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
That's exactly what we're trying to do. Shape public opinion.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah, and with public opinion comes votes, comes well movement,
and well we're seeing it right now. What's going on
you know at the Department of Justice where talk about
a one to eighty All of a sudden, the Department
of Justice is arguing in favor of the Second Amendment
in court cases where they were against it a mere
twelve months ago. So how about opinion makes a difference.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
Yeah, it absolutely does. And that's the key to the castle.
And you said, you know, whoever shows up as the
people who are are in charge, So everybody needs to
get on board and get out from behind their keyboards
and you know, join these Second Amendment organizations, join them all.
I mean, what is it twenty five to forty bucks
a year. Yeah, and we need we need the help,
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We need the support there. We don't have a Bloomberg
funding us like Mom's Demand does. So every little bit helps.
Buy a T shirt, you know, and then and then
educate yourself to how to have the conversation the difficult conversations.
Put the T shirt on our T shirts very much
a conversation starter.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
What's to say on it?
Speaker 7 (29:12):
It says educate, not legislate. And there's ars on top
and bottom of it. And so you're going to get
You're going to get a reaction. Somebody's gonna like your shirt,
or somebody's gonna have questions about your shirt. Somebody's going
to have a negative reaction. But it's an opportunity for
you to influence everyone. Everyone listening to us right now
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is capable of influencing their friends, their families, and their communities.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Okay, okay, let's do this. I'm gonna give it. We're
gonna do a two minute media sevenar right now on
how to do it. Right, you got the shirt on.
I come up to you and say, what the heck
are you talking about? Are those they are fifteens on
your shirt?
Speaker 7 (29:50):
They are a are AAR fifteens on my shirt. They're
the most They're the most versatile gun and easy for
me to use and to fend myself and to hunt
for food and do all sorts of things. It's the
most versatile thing. It's the thing I would pick if
I could have only one gun. You know, I need
AAR fifteen because of all the violence that I see
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that's going on around the world. If there's a mob
coming towards me, you know, a gun with eight round
six round eight round revolvers not going to do anything
as those And I've seen the violence that can happen
in the world. So that's why I choose to do
standard capacity of thirty is my choice.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, and there are the techniques you can use. I
know you teach this, but when somebody challenges you on
something like that, you can kind of disarm it a
little bit instead of getting defensive a confrontation. You can
start off with, well, you know, I can understand how
you might.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Feel that way, absolutely right. The empathy first facts later
and solutions last.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
I like it. It sounds like you teach this stuff.
Speaker 7 (30:57):
Well, I'll tell you what I might teach it, and
I might have I might hire people to teach it.
But it's not easy. It's still not easy for me.
So I will caution your audience to you know it,
just embraced the suck and start start trying to have
those conversations. And every time you do it, you're going
to get better. One of the things that Woman for
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Gun Rights has on our landing page is a one
page talking document and everybody, when you go there to
sign up, you can also download that talking page document
and what it does. It goes over all the usual suspects.
One pager that says that says, you know, why we
oppose red flag laws, why we oppose universal background checks,
why we you know, safe storage is an issue and
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it and it helps you just brush up on why
you believe what you believe. And if you don't know
why you believe what you believe, you can't articulate that
to anybody else.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
You know, there's still a part of this. And I
tell people, people say, but we're right. I said, yes,
you know, you are right. I'm sorry, but that's not enough,
because you can be right and can keep losing. But
you got to not only be right, you actually have
to be good at this. They have to have some skills.
You have to say, Okay, how can I be persuasive
without being necessarily confrontational because the goal is not to
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convince the other side that you're right or can make
them admit that they're wrong. The goal is simply to
win them over. And once you understand what the goal is,
maybe you go about it in a little bit different way.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
Absolutely, and before we get too far down the road,
you hang up on me. I want to tell everybody
that we're also doing a We'll be doing meetings on
Capitol Hill obviously, but we're doing a rally on Sunday
at three pm on the southeast corner of the Capitol
on the Capitol Lawn. It won't take very long. If
anybody is close and they want to come out and
join us, bring your sign that's got a good message
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on it, a good and clean message, and rally with
us for an hour and a half or so.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Okay, So when where.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
It's at the southeast corner or the Capitol Lawn, it's
between the Thomas Jefferson Library of Congress Building and the Capitol,
and we'll be out.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
There three pm Eastern.
Speaker 7 (33:09):
Three pm Eastern time.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Okay, Well, once again, Diana, you are just terrific at
what you do and getting people to show up because
the world simply belongs to those who show up.
Speaker 7 (33:21):
I appreciate your support and always having me on.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Thanks Tom, you bet, and by the way, congratulations on
winning again.
Speaker 7 (33:30):
I appreciate that too.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
All Right, we'll be right back with more gun talk.
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Speaker 9 (35:39):
Tom Gresham a salute to you, because when you do
gun talk, you are fanning the flames of Second Amendment absolutism.
That's what's celebrating new guns and new ammo and time
at the range and self defense and tactical training. That's
what Tom Gresham represents.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I'm looking at the news and I'm just thinking, oh,
by the way, if you want to call us, that's
eight to sixty six Talk gun or Tom Talk gun.
That's the number. I'm looking at the news and think
about the possibilities of us getting involved in yet another
war and all the things that come from that, and
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really get down to a personal level, and I'm thinking,
what have we learned through the years as gun owners,
as people who like to shoot, people who go out
to the range, people who like to hunt. What we've
learned is that ammo can go away in a hurry.
All that ammo that you're seeing, and we've got a
lot of AMMO now on gun store shelves. It can
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be gone in a week. Why would that happen? Well,
how much gunpowder do.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
You use.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
In a nine millimeter round? Just nothing? How much as
used in one hundred and fifty five millimeters artillery shell
a bunch buckets? And in the military, in case you
didn't know this, military always gets priority when it comes
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to buying ammo, or buying powder or even the nitro
cellulose that goes into making propellants and gunpowder. Those military
orders will push all of our orders out of the way.
Everything that Winchester, Federal, Ramonton, whoever else they're making, they
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have to supply the military first. Is that going to happen?
I don't know. I don't know. I've seen it happen.
You've seen it happen. This takes me back to a
familiar refrain, which is, if you're not buying Ammo, you
just don't understand the situation. Why would you not buy
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Ammo on a regular basis? Why would you not just
make it a point to buy one hundred rounds a
month or whatever you can afford. Just buy it and
put it away, Buy more than you need, because you
don't know when you're gonna be able to get it again.
It doesn't go bad. Just I just bought another couple
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of thousand rounds are on the way right now. There
are some incredible deals online right now nine milimeters, three
fifty seven, Magnum three eighty. Found some great deals on
three eighty even five five six two two three. There's
some great prices out there. There's a little bit of
sales slump and people are cutting prices, and you should
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take advantage of it because in a few months thus
prices could be going up fifty percent or one hundred percent.
We've seen that happen too, So the question is are
you buying now? And if so, what are you by
be right back. There's a breaking story right now out
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of Wayne, Michigan. A gunman and open fire during a
service at a suburban Detroit church, wounding one person before
he was shot and killed by a security guard. I
don't know if this was a police officer there or
if it's one of the church members. The part of
the story that I kind of like, I mean, not
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that you like a story about a guy going in
and shooting the church, but I said a church member,
a church member ran the suspect over with his truck,
giving the security guard time to shoot him and killed him.
(39:55):
Trying to find a problem with that, I just don't
have a problem. We had some guest here a couple
of weeks ago from back East, and I was talking
to them about the need for Jews to be careful,
to be armed, and they said, yeah, you know, all
are synagogues. We have security teams now. And I think
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they're hiring local police. But he said, oh yeah, every
single one we have metal detectors were less smart. You
are a targeted class of people. Good for you. Guys,
never ever have understood why it is fairly widespread in
the community, the Jewish community to not be armed and
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actually to want to disarm each other and other people.
Makes no sense to me, Let me grab Matthew. We
got about a minute left here out of metry. Hey, Matthew,
we got a minute, go for it.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
So a lot of the reasons we have this opposition
appearing to the other side. It's not exclusively in my opinion,
but one of the things going into it is a
belief that the ownership of a gun causes otherwise harmless
people because they don't believe we're good to begin with,
to become violent. Yes, yes, a little aggravated gets a gun,
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then he shoots up a pynagogue, a mosque or something else.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
You know, you make a good point, And I have
heard this before where it's like, oh, well, if you
have a gun, you're gonna go crazy, and after at
first I thought, well, that's so silly, And then after
listening to that argument for a year after year after year,
I realize what they're really saying is, if I talk
about themselves, if I had a gun, I would know
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that I would not be able to control myself and
I would shoot somebody. And they're projecting their lack of
control onto us. What they're really saying is that I
personally should not be trusted with a gun because I'm
kind of a crazy and I really am hot head,
and I just don't know what I would do if
I had a gun. So I have to assume that
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you're the same way. If you're listen carefully, and Matthew,
you're exactly the right, Thank you for the call. If
you listen carefully, that's what you'll actually hear is a
lot of the gun banners, and we're seeing it now
with these insane videos they're posting of themselves, particularly women,
staring at their phones and making these rants that they
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want to post online. They are in fact out of control,
and honestly, there are a lot of them. I'm kind
of glad they don't have a gun, frankly, because they
are unable or maybe unwilling, I don't know, to control themselves,
to control their actions, to control their emotions. They like
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this is the weird part, they actually like being out
of control. For them, that's some kind of mark of honor.
They take pride in being out of control as long
as it's for the proper cause, right, And so they think, well,
you know, if I personally, it's people around me who
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I know. On the liberal side, we know we can't
control ourselves, so we're pretty sure you can't control yourselves either,
even though the facts and the history say exactly the opposite.
People who have guns buying large don't break the law.
I mean, criminals do. But with four hundred and something
million guns out there, we should have a lot more
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
He was the first and he's still the best. For
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
We We got to get ten pounds into a five
pound bag today. There's so much going on. Glad that
you are with me. I'm Tom Gresham, I'm the host,
and this is gun Talk. We're going to be having
some fun talk about us, some cool guns, some interesting things,
talk about different CALIBERI, different cartridges and that sort of thing.
And of course, as always we talk about pretty much
anything that's ballistic in nature. But we have to talk
(00:54):
about the Second Amendment and what's going on there. And
it has been a crazy week events taking place, some
good actually some very good, and some problematic, maybe more
of a got a stall, if you will, a hiccup
that we're gonna have to overcome. And honestly, there's no
one who is better at keeping up with this thean
(01:18):
aw R Hawkings. He's an award winning second amendmic columnist
for Bright Barton News. He's been writing about this for
a long time. As a political analyst, he does all
sorts of stuff. And I think, Awr, I think that
we catch you into the airport about to head out.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Oh yes, sir, I'm at airport fixing a fixing a
go to Montana to do some hunting with the Attorney General,
Canutson and cool. I know, I know that, I know
that you and the Attorney General know each other. And
when I mentioned to him I was going to be
on with you, I could see him smiling through the phone.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Well, Austin is the real deal. He's an Attorney general
who really likes guns, really likes competition, shooting and hunting,
and so we never have to explain anything to him.
In fact, a lot of times it goes the other way.
All right, So let's do this. I know you're pressed
on time. They're going to call your flight, and I
appreciate your agreeing to be in here with us, if
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you would, How do you even start off? Where do
you want to start? Ninth circuit? What they did?
Speaker 4 (02:22):
Well, ninth circuit, that's a good start. You know, you
have you know Trump, A lot of people missed it
on his first goal around his first administration, but he
changed the face of that Ninth Circuit. We used to
what do we used to call it, Tom, A lot
of people would call it the Ninth Circuits. It was
so crazy, and he during his first administration began to
put him justices there. And now we have a three
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judge panel decision that upholds the Second Amendment Foundation's victory
in overturning the one gun a month rule. And so
that's a heck of a judgment. Tom, that's a great
deal to chip away. If that California gun control.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Oh it really is. It's for those who don't know,
don't live out there in California. You're limited to one
gun a month. If you go in and find two
guns that you really like, sorry you can't buy those
because it's only one gun a month. But then the
Ninth Circuit strikes that down with some really interesting comments
and things like, well, you know, there's really no other
right where we put a meter on it until you
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can only exercise your right every thirty days. They said, well,
if you can do that, why not every six months,
why not once a year?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
And they're right, right, what did you get only speak
so many words freely a month? I mean, it's the
same idea, and it's ludicrous. So this was a great.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Judgment, right. Well, imagine them saying, I'm sorry, you have
already had free speech once this month, and you're going
to have to wait a month before you have free
speech again.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Yeah, that's it. That's ridiculous. But when you put it
in those terms, I think it's very helpful, Tom, because
then people see it. Because some people hear it about
a gun and they go, well, I don't know, maybe
that's three. But when you put it in the context
of another freedom or another right, I do believe you
see it. What if they said, well, you went to
church once this month, so that's it. You get freedom
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of religion once a month. And you know, if you
begin to look at it like that and really chase
it out, you go, okay, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Yeah. At its core, the point we're making is the
Second Amendment is every bit the same right as the
First Amendment. Free speech and owning guns are exactly the
same in terms of being protected by the Constitution and
the Bill of Rights. And you should not try to
make the Second Amendments some kind of second class right
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of saying, oh, well, that's guns, when we can infringe
upon that. Now, we'd never do that for free speech,
or we're going to do it to guns and the
Second Amendment.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
You're exactly right, and that's what people have to understand.
I don't know a why, Tom. I mean, I guess
because the left just hates guns that much, but it
hates what they represent, which is freedom. But they have
been trying for decad to turn the Second Amendment into
a second class right. They really have. We just can't
let that.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Happen, you know. And sometimes I think, honestly to AWR
that it's not the guns that they hate, it's actually
gun owners. They actually hate us that much, and I
think that's at the core of it.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
I would agree with you. I would agree with you
one hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
All right, So moving on, we got stuff going on.
I just saw you just put out something about Greg
Abbott and Texas signing this bill into a law. You
wanted to tell everybody what just happened there.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Well, Texas has a prohibitive weapons list, and short barrel
rifles and shotguns have been on that for some time,
and so he signed a law to basically removes those
and the timing couldn't be more perfect. And I don't
guess he saw this coming. I'm not putting him down
because I think Greg Abbott is a great man, but
so he has signed this and what it means, of course,
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if you're in Texas, you still have to follow NFA
regulations National Firearms Act regulations, so you still have to
go through the fingerprinting, the background check, all the federal requirements,
paid the tax, but the parts of Texas law that
stood in the way are gone. But the timing of
this was perfect, tom As you know, because we're on
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the verge right now with the one big beautiful bill.
If the Senate preserves the language that you knit, then
once that bill is passed and signed by Trump, there
will be no more NFA regulation on short bail rifles
and shotguns, and so the tax will be gone, the
cumbersome purchase process will be gone. So I mean, this
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is really it's a great it's great news for Texas,
but it's occurring at a time when this could be
a whole new day for gun owners across the country.
So it's remarkable news in that way.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
All right, let me ask you you expound upon that,
because I want to make sure that people are understanding.
Part of this big, beautiful bill that everybody's talking about
is a provision to you basically get rid of the
NFA requirements on suppress the silencers as well as short
barel rifles and shotguns. I mean, this has been an
effect since nineteen thirty four, and we have generations of
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people who just come to believe, well, yeah, of course
those are all regulated items, and with a stroke of
a pen that could all be changed.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
That's exactly it. You just summed it up perfectly. Yeah.
Now people will still have to pass the background check.
I think that's an important point, Tom, because the Left
is running around going now they'll be able to get
suppressors without a background check. Well no, now, I'm not
saying that I agree or disagree with that. I'm just
saying that the way it's written, you'll still have to
pass the background check. But what it means is you
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would go into your local gun store. I'm hunting with
a Henry Lever Action Supreme this week in Montana. Guess what,
I have a suppressor on it. But Let's say I
didn't I want a suppressor. Under the new regulations that
will be in the Big Beautiful Bill, I would go
in and go through the same background check for a
suppressor that I would go through now for a six
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hour handgun. That's an instant background check, and I immediately
walk out of a store with my suppressor. There's no fingerprinting,
there's no photographing, there's no intense atf registration process, and
most importantly to me, there's no two hundred dollars federal
tax anymore. Ever again, so that is what the one
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big Beautiful Bill can wipe out for suppressors, stortbel rifles
and shortbail shotguns.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Amazing stuff. All right, So now we'll switch over to
North Carolina, where things are not as rosy as we'd like,
not terrible, but you got this Democrat governor who just
vetoed constitutional carry right.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
And I hate this for North Carolinians, Tom, because North
Carolina was well on its way, was on a perfect
track to become the thirtieth constitutional carry state in the Union.
Would have meant three fifths of our country where it
was constitutional carry. And I'll be if the Democrat governor
didn't do what I was a little bit scared he
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was going to do. He detoted, and I don't believe.
I hope I'm wrong. Come, but I don't believe that
they can override the veto because you have two members
of the Republican Party in that state who have dug
in and opposed constitutional carry. And I believe without those
two Republicans joining an override effort, I don't believe it's
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possible override it. Again. I hope I'm wrong. I'll be
glad to wake up tomorrow and tell everybody I was wrong.
I hope it happened, but I don't think it's possible.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, And frankly, anybody in North Carolina who's hearing this
needs to be contacting their legislators and say we want
constitutional carry. It is the law in twenty nine states.
There have been no down turns with that, no downside
to it at all, no problems, and the people in
North Carolina need to have the same rights as people
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in twenty nine other states.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Right well, And you know, tom, here's the problem I
have regards of which state we're talking about, but I
know right now it's North Carolina. When I read that
Second Amendment Tom, it says that I have a right
to keep and bear arms, but it does not say
unless I missed it, Tom, it doesn't say I have
a right to bear arms as long as I have
a permit. And that's what bothers me.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
I believe.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
I believe a canceal carried permitting process in many ways
is a very egregious sun controlling because it's kind of
snuck in on us. We accepted that when things begin
to change in the late eighties and the nineties, and
we accepted that as a way that we could begin
to defend our lives. Which understand why we did it
and how it happened. But I believe now we're in
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a different area and we realize Wait, our founding fathers
the Second Amendment was their casial carried permit, and I
believe that's how it needs to be for each of us,
not just in twenty nine states.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Well, yeah, to your point, we started clawing back some
of our Second Amends, right, so a piece of the
time and part of it was Okay, we're going to
have to have a permit system to carry, but that's
the only way we're going to get to carry, and
then we'll come back and address that maybe next year,
maybe in ten years, maybe in thirty years, which is
what's happening. It's more like thirty years. But we are
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getting it back piece by piece. But I'm going to
dress just for a second. Have you weigh in on this.
People do get acclimated to whatever the conditions are. They think, well, yeah,
of course you know you can't buy machine guns, or
you you know, made after nineteen eighty six, or of
course you need a permit. I like to start off
with this premise there should be no gun control laws
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at all, not a single one. They should all be repealed,
and then challenge people, now, tell me why we should
have any gun control law, what it would accomplish, and
why we should have that infringement. I want to start
from scratch. Instead of accepting what's now you know the law,
Let's go back and say, all right, there's nothing. Tell
me why we should have.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Any I agree with God. I can't argue, I can't
I add, I can't. All I can say, and what
I'm saying is a complete compliment to what you said.
I speak at the Reagan Ranch a couple of times
a year, Tom, and the last time I spoke there.
What I told them is this that it should be
as easy for me a law abouting citizen. It should
be as easy for me to get a gun as
it is for criminal to get a gun. That was
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my starting premise. And then I did exactly what you say.
And what that means, Tom, is there can't be any
gun control because gun control does not keep criminals from
getting guns. If it does, Chicago would be the greatest
success story in the world. So with Los Angeles, so
with New York City, so with Newark, New Jersey, so
with Washington, d C. But these places aren't success as Tom,
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because gun control ultimately empowers the criminal and weakens the
law abouting citizen.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
All right, do you still have a couple more matters
before you have to get on that airplane? Yes, sir, okay?
So I love this story. Stephen King, the novelist, the
author of it, and the shining He says that the
problem with this murder of politicians in Minnesota was not
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with the murderer, but the problem is guess what the gun? Right?
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Right?
Speaker 4 (13:13):
I mean, Tom, it's I want to laugh. I mean
I want to laugh that I don't want to laugh
because people did lose their lives. But yeah, I mean, Tom,
what we have four hundred and thirty million plus fiums
owned in this country and that guy had four of
them and he illegally used one of them. And I mean,
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it's just wild that you would look at those four
hundred and thirty million inanimate objects and assigned blamed to them.
We both know there are many ways to kill people,
and people find millions of ways to do it, or
many ways, I should say, to do it. And the
fact that this lunatic used the gun, I mean that,
the fact that you would seize on that completely misses
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the fact that he thought this out so well, he
dressed up like an officer. He betrayed the trust in
so many ways I can't even list them all. And
I don't understand this. I've never understood that mentality of
the left, Tom, and maybe you have a better grip,
but I can't figure out how they affix blame to
an inanimate object. I really can't figure it out. It
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just goes to what I think you said when we
begin a sun call. It goes to their hatred of
gun owners.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Well, yeah, and they have this agenda, and of course
they've been able to manipulate the media so that coverage
of guns is all about crime. I mean, you know,
to a large number of people in America, guns do
in fact equal crime. They don't understand there's any need
for it. But that's why we need people like you
who expose that and tell people, I mean, everybody listening
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to this niece of no facts like, oh, yeah, two
and a half million times a year Americans use guns
successfully in self defense. And that's not me saying that,
or the NERRA saying that. It was actually the Center
for Disease Control in a study that they tried to
bury and hide from the public after they said, well,
(15:05):
we're going to actually look into this whole idea of
people using guns of self to fans, and they said,
whoa two and a half million times a year, We
better not publish that, right.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
I think you're exiety, I mean, you're exactly right, and
that number needs to be out there, and that number
was out there far more publicly until gun control groups
talked to the Sinishist Disease Control into scrubbing that from
their website. But you're exactly right, and you know, even
if you look at Gary Kleck's numbers, and I have
high respect for him. He puts it at a minimal
figure of about seven hundred to seventy thousand times a year.
(15:37):
That's minimal. It's far below the number you read, you mentioned,
but it bolsters the number you mentioned in that he says,
this is at a minimal this is what happens. And
so you're right. CNN will never report that, MSNBC will
never report it. You'll never hear it unless you're listening
to your show, or reading us at Breitbart, or reading
a few of the other outlets that can be trusted.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Exactly, or everybody listening. This is that intellectual ammunition I'm
talking about. You need to have this ready to go
at any time. You need to say. You know, people
starting about well guns this, guns, they say you can
start off by saying, you know, you may not be aware,
which is a nice way to disarm the arguments say
you may not be aware that Americans used guns in
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self defense more than million times a year. A lot
of women are alive now or did not get raped
because they had a gun, And just throw that out
there and go people go what and they say that
can't be right, So well, actually it's right, and we've
had multiple university level studies, and now we've got the
Centers for Disease Control studying it, and they're all coming
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up with numbers anywhere between seven hundred thousand and three
million times a year.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Right, And just to add Ammo to what you said, Tom,
you think about on average, on average, it's up or
down a little bit, but give about thirteen to fourteen
thousand actual firearm suicides a year in America. Thirteen or
fourteen thousand. Now that seems like a crazy number. And
of course if that's a relative or someone you loved
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or anything, and it is a life loss, so that
we don't want thirteen or fourteen thousand. But now contrasts
that with two point five million justified uses to save life,
that it completely eclipses the criminal use of films. And
that's why they have to hide that truth. If it
ever gets out, the good news about guns will be overwhelming.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
And when we start using those numbers and get that out,
people at first they don't believe this because all they've
ever heard is the other side, because the media is
all on board and pushing the gun ban narrative and
that guns are bad, And so it takes some work
on our part to say this is what it is,
and this is where the numbers come from, and say
it again and again and again until people say, oh,
(17:53):
I finally am hearing what you're saying, because they don't
actually get it the first time you say it, do they.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
No, they don't. They don't. And it's because they're not
accustomed to listening. They're not accustomed to thinking. And that's
part of what the media is game in. Tom. And
I hate to say this. I got to get on
this plane to get to Montana so I can hunt
with the Attorney General. And I'm sorry, that's all right.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Tell the Attorney General hello for us, would you?
Speaker 4 (18:16):
I'll do it, Tom, Thank you. Great to be with you.
I hope you have a great show, and I hope
you have another great year.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
All right, you too. A. W. R. Hawkins. You can
check them out over at bright bart where he's writing
about gun rights all the time. Thank you, sir. Yeah,
a lot of things going on, and this story about
Stephen King is just just another celebrity who's clueless. But
he does have a megaphone and he puts the word
out there in the media will repeat it. You know.
It's really why I started, God was almost thirty years ago.
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Now the truth Squad, and you're part of the truth squad.
If you're listening to this and the Truth Squad simply
does this, it doesn't let those lies go unchallenged. Our
phrase is are saying, is a lie left unchallenged becomes
the truth? If that's all people hear, that's all people know.
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And I know people say, well there's nothing I can do, Yeah,
there is. Every time you hear something like that or
see something like that, you have to challenge it. You
have to challenge it in the comments online on stories.
You have to challenge it when somebody says it. If
your local TV station runs a story like this, call them,
(19:27):
call the news director and say you may not be aware,
but you've just been conned. You ran a story that
was so upsided as to be unbelievable, because it is
in fact unbelievable. And then you got to have some
information behind you say you know the reality is and
then you fill in the blanks, which of course means
you have to know the facts. That's part of what
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I do here. I try to get you the information.
When people say, what do you do with gun talk?
What do you do with the radio show, I say, well,
really two things. One, have some fun. We're going to
talk about guns and shooting and all the rest of it.
At the same time, we're going to try to get
out some information. And part of what I do is
try to go dig it out. I try to find it,
(20:11):
you know, reading people like AWR. Hawkins and others out there.
I'm out there looking at the news every day and
I'm putting out not just here on the radio, but
over on Twitter now called X. I am putting out
stories there all the times. If you want to be
better informed, if you want to have your intellectual ammunition
(20:33):
cartridge box, if you will full so that you have
something to draw on, you can follow me over on X.
I am at gun talk over there really easy, and
I'll put out who knows two to four a day
with links oh oh oh. One other thing. There are
a lot of people or maybe not even people, maybe bots,
(20:55):
and they put out these memes, these big text post
of so and so said this and this thing's going on,
and if people get outrage and make all kind of
comments about it. When you see something like that, be
a smart consumer of information. Look to see if there's
actually a link. If it is, make sure it's a
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link to somebody you recognize, because it could be some
phony website somebody put up. And if there's no link
to the meme that says so and so did this
or has this happened or somebody said that, it's probably
not true. Don't allow them to get you outraged, because
that's all they're trying to do is build traffic online
(21:39):
with your comments, your sharing, all the rest of it
out there. So be a smarter consumer of the news. Okay.
At the same time, you can get involved at a
lot of different levels. You know, other people march to
other people protest. We can do the exact same thing.
How about marching for gun right? How about showing up
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in Washington, d C. That's going on right now as
we are speaking. There is a women's march for gun rights. Hey,
what when we come back, we'll get the information on that.
Don't go fark. Hey, welcome back to gun Talk, Tom
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Gresham here. You know, we're always talking about the need
to show up. The world belongs to those who show up,
and there's somebody who really does that in space. Diana
Miller joined us right now in Adana. You just got
back from where were you?
Speaker 7 (22:35):
Well, I just got back from the Czech Republic as
we shot the iPSC World PCC Pistol Caliber Carbine World Shoot,
and I love the country. I can give it two
thumbs up. I'd never been there before and was a
little concerned, huh. But yeah, we had a great trip
and we brought home some medals. The US brought home
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a bunch of medals, but I personally brought home a
silver and the individual silver on my team. So it's
always more fun when you win.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Well, congratulations. Now, for those who don't know, your background
is a police officer and competitive shooter and now strong
Second Amendment advocate. So many years ago, God, it seems
like it's a long time ago. Now, you started the
DC Project getting women to go to DC and speak
to elected representatives, and you have now morphed the DC
(23:25):
Project into what.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
Women for Gun Rights is, the full fledged organization. We
realized that kind of the fight was in the States
and we were needing to basically build an army to
safeguard the Second Amendment. So would love for your audience
to join us. It's free to join or you can donate,
but at Womenfogun Rights dot org.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yes, we have to have as many voices as possible.
You're a doer, you never slow down, you never stop,
but you also look out there and say, okay, what
needs to happen for us to actually be effective as
opposed to sitting at home and things on the internet
and bitching about things and not doing anything. So not
only did you do BC project and on and on
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and doing media training for inflorgers and also all right,
tell them what's going on this weekend?
Speaker 7 (24:16):
So this weekend is our annual fly in to Washington.
D C our fifty state directors will be attending, as
well as some special guests. This year, we're bringing some
social media personalities that have different audiences. So my goal
right now is to get outside of our silo, you know,
reach those audiences that might have like minded people but
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aren't necessarily in the firearms space or in the Second
Amendment advocacy space. So like Rodeo, NASCAR, racing, MMA, fitness people.
I've got a model coming from Columbia. That's my focus
is trying to really help those women and men. You know,
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men are surrounded by women as well, so we want
the men to jump on board just as much as
we do the women to make sure that they're that
there ladies in their their lives understand how important the
Second Amendment is, and they're being they're they're able to
protect themselves well.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
And you have people coming who can speak to what
it's like to be in a country where they don't
have a Second Amendment and what happens there. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:27):
Absolutely, We've got Gabby Franco coming. She's from Venezuela, so
she understands how dangerous socialism is. We've got, uh, We've
got a woman that's coming that have had to seal.
A rapist break into her home in the middle of
the night with a gun and she fought to save
her life, got the gun away from him, shot him
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three times, and ran out of the house. And that's
very powerful, especially when you hear from the anti gun
people that you know, you you're more likely to have
the gun taken away from you and used against you. Well,
that might be a mental issue that you you know,
if you train that you're going to be the victor.
That's that's how it's that's very advantageous.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
You remind me of another cop buddy of mine. He says,
very simply says, I'm not going to lose period.
Speaker 7 (26:19):
Yeah. Yeah. And if you if you don't teach your
mind that your body can't can't follow.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
What exactly because when I said the body won't go
where the mind hasn't already gone. Right, all right, So
right now we've got these riots going on everywhere. We
got a ton of people around the country who are
starting to think, once again, gee, maybe we ought to
get a gun, honey, because this is kind of crazy
out there. Is there a way to take advantage of
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that awakening on the part of the public to get
a message to them.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
Well, that's why I think Women for Gun Rights is
so important, because we can speak to those people who
are centrist, maybe even a little anti gun, that are
waking up because of the things that are going on
around the world, and they can't hear from legacy organizations.
The NRA has been demonized to the point where that
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you know, it's they can't hear from them. GA says,
you know, abolish the ATF, and that makes their heads explode.
So I think Women for Gun Rights is positioned to
be able to speak to the middle of the road
that we really do need to speak to and bring
them into the fold, or at least move them from
anti to the middle. If we can get them agnostic
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about guns as opposed to opposing guns, we're still winning.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
You know, I have said for the thirty years I've
been on the air with this show that the fight
is for public opinion. And people go, well, you know,
while we have a second member. I said, yeah, you
do until you don't. And they go, what do you
mean even that can go away? I said, And I
tell people, look, all you've got to do is move
the needle on public opinion about three ticks and we win.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
That's exactly what we're trying to do. Shape public opinion.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yeah, and with public opinion comes votes, comes well movement,
and well we're seeing it right now. What's going on
you know at the Department of Justice where talk about
a one to eighty All of a sudden, the Department
of Justice is arguing in favor of the Second Amendment
in court cases where they were against it a mere
twelve months ago. So how about opinion makes a difference.
Speaker 7 (28:25):
Yeah, it absolutely does. And that's the key to the castle.
And you said, you know, whoever shows up as the
people who are are in charge, So everybody needs to
get on board and get out from behind their keyboards
and you know, join these Second Amendment organizations, join them all.
I mean, what is it twenty five to forty bucks
a year. Yeah, and we need we need the help,
(28:49):
We need the support there. We don't have a Bloomberg
funding us like Mom's Demand does. So every little bit helps.
Buy a T shirt, you know, and then and then
educate yourself to how to have the conversation the difficult conversations.
Put the T shirt on our T shirts very much
a conversation starter.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
What's to say on it?
Speaker 7 (29:12):
It says educate, not legislate. And there's ars on top
and bottom of it. And so you're going to get
You're going to get a reaction. Somebody's gonna like your shirt,
or somebody's gonna have questions about your shirt. Somebody's going
to have a negative reaction. But it's an opportunity for
you to influence everyone. Everyone listening to us right now
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is capable of influencing their friends, their families, and their communities.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
Okay, okay, let's do this. I'm gonna give it. We're
gonna do a two minute media sevenar right now on
how to do it. Right, you got the shirt on.
I come up to you and say, what the heck
are you talking about? Are those they are fifteens on
your shirt?
Speaker 7 (29:50):
They are a are AAR fifteens on my shirt. They're
the most They're the most versatile gun and easy for
me to use and to fend myself and to hunt
for food and do all sorts of things. It's the
most versatile thing. It's the thing I would pick if
I could have only one gun. You know, I need
AAR fifteen because of all the violence that I see
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that's going on around the world. If there's a mob
coming towards me, you know, a gun with eight round
six round eight round revolvers not going to do anything
as those And I've seen the violence that can happen
in the world. So that's why I choose to do
standard capacity of thirty is my choice.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Yeah, and there are the techniques you can use. I
know you teach this, but when somebody challenges you on
something like that, you can kind of disarm it a
little bit instead of getting defensive a confrontation. You can
start off with, well, you know, I can understand how
you might.
Speaker 7 (30:45):
Feel that way, absolutely right. The empathy first facts later
and solutions last.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
I like it. It sounds like you teach this stuff.
Speaker 7 (30:57):
Well, I'll tell you what I might teach it, and
I might have I might hire people to teach it.
But it's not easy. It's still not easy for me.
So I will caution your audience to you know it,
just embraced the suck and start start trying to have
those conversations. And every time you do it, you're going
to get better. One of the things that Woman for
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Gun Rights has on our landing page is a one
page talking document and everybody, when you go there to
sign up, you can also download that talking page document
and what it does. It goes over all the usual suspects.
One pager that says that says, you know, why we
oppose red flag laws, why we oppose universal background checks,
why we you know, safe storage is an issue and
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it and it helps you just brush up on why
you believe what you believe. And if you don't know
why you believe what you believe, you can't articulate that
to anybody else.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
You know, there's still a part of this. And I
tell people, people say, but we're right. I said, yes,
you know, you are right. I'm sorry, but that's not enough,
because you can be right and can keep losing. But
you got to not only be right, you actually have
to be good at this. They have to have some skills.
You have to say, Okay, how can I be persuasive
without being necessarily confrontational because the goal is not to
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convince the other side that you're right or can make
them admit that they're wrong. The goal is simply to
win them over. And once you understand what the goal is,
maybe you go about it in a little bit different way.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
Absolutely, and before we get too far down the road,
you hang up on me. I want to tell everybody
that we're also doing a We'll be doing meetings on
Capitol Hill obviously, but we're doing a rally on Sunday
at three pm on the southeast corner of the Capitol
on the Capitol Lawn. It won't take very long. If
anybody is close and they want to come out and
join us, bring your sign that's got a good message
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on it, a good and clean message, and rally with
us for an hour and a half or so.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Okay, So when where.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
It's at the southeast corner or the Capitol Lawn, it's
between the Thomas Jefferson Library of Congress Building and the Capitol,
and we'll be out.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
There three pm Eastern.
Speaker 7 (33:09):
Three pm Eastern time.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Okay, Well, once again, Diana, you are just terrific at
what you do and getting people to show up because
the world simply belongs to those who show up.
Speaker 7 (33:21):
I appreciate your support and always having me on.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Thanks Tom, you bet, and by the way, congratulations on
winning again.
Speaker 7 (33:30):
I appreciate that too.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
All Right, we'll be right back with more gun talk.
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Speaker 9 (35:39):
Tom Gresham a salute to you, because when you do
gun talk, you are fanning the flames of Second Amendment absolutism.
That's what's celebrating new guns and new ammo and time
at the range and self defense and tactical training. That's
what Tom Gresham represents.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
I'm looking at the news and I'm just thinking, oh,
by the way, if you want to call us, that's
eight to sixty six Talk gun or Tom Talk gun.
That's the number. I'm looking at the news and think
about the possibilities of us getting involved in yet another
war and all the things that come from that, and
(36:21):
really get down to a personal level, and I'm thinking,
what have we learned through the years as gun owners,
as people who like to shoot, people who go out
to the range, people who like to hunt. What we've
learned is that ammo can go away in a hurry.
All that ammo that you're seeing, and we've got a
lot of AMMO now on gun store shelves. It can
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be gone in a week. Why would that happen? Well,
how much gunpowder do.
Speaker 7 (36:53):
You use.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
In a nine millimeter round? Just nothing? How much as
used in one hundred and fifty five millimeters artillery shell
a bunch buckets? And in the military, in case you
didn't know this, military always gets priority when it comes
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to buying ammo, or buying powder or even the nitro
cellulose that goes into making propellants and gunpowder. Those military
orders will push all of our orders out of the way.
Everything that Winchester, Federal, Ramonton, whoever else they're making, they
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have to supply the military first. Is that going to happen?
I don't know. I don't know. I've seen it happen.
You've seen it happen. This takes me back to a
familiar refrain, which is, if you're not buying Ammo, you
just don't understand the situation. Why would you not buy
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Ammo on a regular basis? Why would you not just
make it a point to buy one hundred rounds a
month or whatever you can afford. Just buy it and
put it away, Buy more than you need, because you
don't know when you're gonna be able to get it again.
It doesn't go bad. Just I just bought another couple
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of thousand rounds are on the way right now. There
are some incredible deals online right now nine milimeters, three
fifty seven, Magnum three eighty. Found some great deals on
three eighty even five five six two two three. There's
some great prices out there. There's a little bit of
sales slump and people are cutting prices, and you should
(38:47):
take advantage of it because in a few months thus
prices could be going up fifty percent or one hundred percent.
We've seen that happen too, So the question is are
you buying now? And if so, what are you by
be right back. There's a breaking story right now out
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of Wayne, Michigan. A gunman and open fire during a
service at a suburban Detroit church, wounding one person before
he was shot and killed by a security guard. I
don't know if this was a police officer there or
if it's one of the church members. The part of
the story that I kind of like, I mean, not
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that you like a story about a guy going in
and shooting the church, but I said a church member,
a church member ran the suspect over with his truck,
giving the security guard time to shoot him and killed him.
(39:55):
Trying to find a problem with that, I just don't
have a problem. We had some guest here a couple
of weeks ago from back East, and I was talking
to them about the need for Jews to be careful,
to be armed, and they said, yeah, you know, all
are synagogues. We have security teams now. And I think
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they're hiring local police. But he said, oh yeah, every
single one we have metal detectors were less smart. You
are a targeted class of people. Good for you. Guys,
never ever have understood why it is fairly widespread in
the community, the Jewish community to not be armed and
(40:40):
actually to want to disarm each other and other people.
Makes no sense to me, Let me grab Matthew. We
got about a minute left here out of metry. Hey, Matthew,
we got a minute, go for it.
Speaker 5 (40:52):
So a lot of the reasons we have this opposition
appearing to the other side. It's not exclusively in my opinion,
but one of the things going into it is a
belief that the ownership of a gun causes otherwise harmless
people because they don't believe we're good to begin with,
to become violent. Yes, yes, a little aggravated gets a gun,
(41:16):
then he shoots up a pynagogue, a mosque or something else.
Speaker 3 (41:22):
You know, you make a good point, And I have
heard this before where it's like, oh, well, if you
have a gun, you're gonna go crazy, and after at
first I thought, well, that's so silly, And then after
listening to that argument for a year after year after year,
I realize what they're really saying is, if I talk
about themselves, if I had a gun, I would know
(41:44):
that I would not be able to control myself and
I would shoot somebody. And they're projecting their lack of
control onto us. What they're really saying is that I
personally should not be trusted with a gun because I'm
kind of a crazy and I really am hot head,
and I just don't know what I would do if
I had a gun. So I have to assume that
(42:05):
you're the same way. If you're listen carefully, and Matthew,
you're exactly the right, Thank you for the call. If
you listen carefully, that's what you'll actually hear is a
lot of the gun banners, and we're seeing it now
with these insane videos they're posting of themselves, particularly women,
staring at their phones and making these rants that they
(42:27):
want to post online. They are in fact out of control,
and honestly, there are a lot of them. I'm kind
of glad they don't have a gun, frankly, because they
are unable or maybe unwilling, I don't know, to control themselves,
to control their actions, to control their emotions. They like
(42:49):
this is the weird part, they actually like being out
of control. For them, that's some kind of mark of honor.
They take pride in being out of control as long
as it's for the proper cause, right, And so they think, well,
you know, if I personally, it's people around me who
(43:10):
I know. On the liberal side, we know we can't
control ourselves, so we're pretty sure you can't control yourselves either,
even though the facts and the history say exactly the opposite.
People who have guns buying large don't break the law.
I mean, criminals do. But with four hundred and something
million guns out there, we should have a lot more
(43:32):
crime out there if guns make people break the law. Hey,
when we come back, we'll give you an update on
the God Talk Doubt rifle. This is going to be fun.
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