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-- How did Federal Cartridge create the new generation of high pressure rifle ammunition and where does it go from here? Jason Vanderbrink, President and CEO of the parent company, The Kinetic Group, reveals what went into this revolutionary technology.
-- Remember Dads as we approach Father's Day, it's time to plan on who gets your guns and the stories that go with them.
-- His wife told him to do what Tom would do and buy the gun!
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-- How did Federal Cartridge create the new generation of high pressure rifle ammunition and where does it go from here? Jason Vanderbrink, President and CEO of the parent company, The Kinetic Group, reveals what went into this revolutionary technology.
-- Remember Dads as we approach Father's Day, it's time to plan on who gets your guns and the stories that go with them.
-- His wife told him to do what Tom would do and buy the gun!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:28):
All right back with here with gun talk, I'm Tom Gresham. Yeah,
there's a whole lot going on in this news about
the crazy stuff from Federal higher pressure cartridge, the six
y five creed more leap frogs over the sixty five
PRC and that's just dipping your toe in the water.
Now we're just getting idea of what this thing could be.
(00:50):
We're joining right now by Jason Vanderbrick from the Kinetic Group. Jason,
you're what CEO, President Graham, Poopa and trash taker Outer.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
That's about it, Tom, thanks for having us, and it's
certainly a good couple of days. But yes, no, chairman
and CEO of the Kinectic Group.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Okay, so a couple of days ago you introduced peak
alloy plus peak. How do you how do we say this?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Yeah, we're we introduced on Friday six to five creed
More plus peak. So peak alloy is obviously we launched
it last year. It's our alloy case technology that we
launched a seven back country and uh so you mung
us stay on Friday introducing the same technology to six
or five creed More.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Users at its core because a lot of us looked
at the seven back Country last year we went okay, yeah,
you got more pressure and then you got a special
case and here you got to get a new rifle
for it. Fine, but this is a whole different deal.
This is the higher pressure ammo more velocity that you
could either get the more veloscity or get the same
velocity out of a short barrel. But the key here
(01:57):
is you could shoot it in your exist six five
creed More rifle and it's perfectly safe. Yeah, that's that
was the thought on this is.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
You know, that country really really changed the game as
far as what case technology can do to a performance,
and it's been beyond our belief on how big that
country was. But now with the amount of creed More
guns already in the field. This is a This is
a game changer like anything that we've ever done. And
(02:28):
we're kind of an innovative company in the AMO segment,
so this is this is a big deal because of
the amount of rifles in the field already.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And yes, it will change things. I mean, if you
have a six y five creed more now you're actually
going faster than a six five p RC. Get a
short action and a lighter rifle, and you can do
it with a shorter barrel if you want. But Jason,
I'm thinking that for me, the thing that's exciting is
that the technology itself when you start applying it across
other cartridges, other technologies within ballistic I don't think it's
(03:01):
overstating it to say this thing may be as important
and revolutionary as smokeless powder was. I agree.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
The way we've we've been working on this for I
don't know how many, I mean several several years. This
technology and the way we the way, the analogy we
use to the team in Minnesota is this is as
as it was from a from a turboprop plane to
a jet engine. We really think this technology is that
(03:33):
revolutionary to our industry.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I think so and obviously you're going eighty thousand PSI
in this and we know that some of the experimental
stuff you've been doing with military is bordering on twice
that I don't know we'll ever see that in the
commercial side, but just it indicates what can be done
when you start going experimental and stretching things out.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Absolutely, this is the sky's the limit on this technology.
It's it's uh, you know, it's it's just revolutionizing centerfire
rifle AMMO. You know, if you think about it and
you compare it to the bullet technology that the industry
has seen in the last couple of decades, which bullets,
as you well know, the technology and performance is amazing
(04:19):
from what it was back in the cup and core
core locked power shock base, right. But really, now that
you got the bullets, the bullets that can take the performance,
now you're getting your living a performance out of a
six Creedmore that is, I mean handily out does six
to five perc with one more in the magazine. And no,
(04:42):
you know, sometimes there's been issues on feeding capabilities of
a poc. Creedmore gives you all of the benefits and
absolutely nothing that you lose on this technology.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
You know, I keep coming up with these ideas, and
you just came up with one I had not thought of.
Is now you have magnum performance in your rifle with
one more round because you don't have to have this
big fat cartridge in there. So I mean, you're just
winning and winning all across the board. Where where did
this idea and where did this concept for this technology
(05:16):
come from? Originally, we have.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Been working on this a long time and and uh,
we have some of the best engineers in the world
who you know, you know, engineers are tom They can
come up with some crazy stuff and but it never
goes to market or it's a flop. But we had
a we had some engineers come up with this technology
in it and it just took a long time to
(05:41):
figure out how to make it effectively. You know, I
don't want to I don't want to let the cat
out of the bag. It's it's it is that it
is a super complex process. It is not just a steelcase,
you know. It's it's there's lots of aspects that had
to commercialize the commercialization process of bringing this thought to
(06:05):
loaded animal on the shelf. For different aspects that you'll
see coming from it just come from some of the
smartest engineers in the industry.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Well that kind of leads us to okay, so you
know how it is, we've seen this before. You bring
out this product, and like an hour after you bring
it out, people say, Okay, that's really great. So what's next.
What's the next thing you're going to do? Right, stay tuned.
I mean, there's obviously there's no reason in the world
to say you couldn't apply this to other existing cartridges.
(06:36):
You're thirty odd six become or three O eight becomes
a three hundred magnum, You're you're seven O eight becomes
a seven magnum. It's just on and on and on
what you can do with this.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
It's a game changing technology for the whole industry and
and being being you know, I think everyone looks to
Federal for innovation. This is like I said, I don't
I don't think the game changer analogy which you see
that what happened on Friday. Everyone is saying this changes
the game.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
That is not. That is not exaggerating, No it's not.
And there are other technologies that are going along with this.
Because marching right side by side, you've got some people
doing some really interesting research on gain twist rifling, which
is an old technology and idea, but now they're doing
some new stuff with it to manage and take advantage
(07:25):
of the higher pressures. So you're not getting that real
quick peek at the beginning. So there's some things going
on there, some new materials in barrels. You know, you
can have shorter, lighter rifles in fact with this technology, it's.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Just it's exciting, exciting as you can be. I mean,
the performance you can get on of a fourteen sixteen
inch barrel is it's unbelievable to me.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I mean, you know, if you're going to use.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
A standard twenty four inch barrel, which is a standard
link test barrel, but I mean in six in seven backcountry,
I mean, the performance of a sixteen incher is unbelievable
because of what this technology allows you to do. So
we're excited where this is going to go, and certainly
talking about the barrel manufacturing technology. It is just an
(08:12):
exciting time to be in this space and we're happy
to always lead that forefront and innovation.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Well, Federal has been innovative. For those who've been around
a long time, we'll remember that Federal was the one
that a first company, well right after Weatherby, but it's
Federal right in there bringing out the first load of
AMMO with premium bullets that handloaders were using bullets from Sierra,
noaser partitions. Federal was the one that said, hey, we
could use that in factory AMMO.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Yeah, nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Noah. The innovation, it's in our missions.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
It's our mission statement at Federal. And you know, the
last couple of years, while certainly hasn't been the greatest
sales and profitability for the industry, we have never cut
an R and D budget and we never will. It's
that's what customers expect from Federal is innovation, and this
is just innovation times ten.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
As a guy who sells stuff, you have thought about this.
There's got to be a concern at least a little
bit that people are going to look at the new
technology and say, well, why would I buy the old technology?
Could just cannibalize sales of other AMA. Yeah, No, it's uh.
When when you do this stuff, one plus one needs
equal three.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
I mean uh, and and certainly we we we understand
that you run almost now you can never think of
all these different scenarios. But we have thought this through
and UH and we love our position, we love what
it's going to bring to UH, to our company, and
UH we we understand the cannibalization, but on this, on this,
(09:51):
it's the game was way too.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Big not not to go after this.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
And and again I think one of the one of
the it's not just a slogan, it's what we live
and breathe every day at the Connetic Group. We got
to bring solutions to end users that aren't just marketing hype. Right,
short barrels and suppressors is where the market's going.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Let's go.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Let's go bring this solution that doesn't sacrifice performance to
the users, and we'll win every time. And this is
this is just following a slogan that we really think of.
You've started the end user and work backwards, bring end
users solutions that that are game changing, and this just
(10:36):
amplifies that.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
It does the six to five creed more plus peak
amazing technology. Jason Vanderbrink, President CEO of the Cadetic Group. Congratulations,
this is exciting. I cannot wait to see what you
do next. Awesome.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Thanks Tom, thanks for your time and keep up the
great work that you do for this industry.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Well, I appreciate that. All right, don't go far. We'll
be right back with more gun Talk.
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Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, sorry, this is fun. Virginia gun sales double as
more state prosecutors said they won't enforce an AR fifteen band.
Virginia Legislature PAS and the governor signed a gun ban.
(14:05):
It goes into Sect July one, bands a whole bunch
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magazines that hold more than fifteen rounds, like oh, your
standard clock a number. It started off with three or four,
and now I think it's a dozen or more. State
(14:26):
prosecutors is said they are not going to enforce this law.
Just not. They say it's unconstitutional. It violates the Virginia Constitution,
forget the US Constitution. But as a result of this
being passed, people in Virginia are rushing to gun stores.
(14:47):
They are buying guns like crazy. They're I mean, I
don't care if it's Palmeta State Army. They're buying through
the mail or going to the local gun stores. They
are buying guns, not just rs, but all sorts of guns,
guns that hold handgun the whole more than fifteen rounds,
magazines like crazy, I mean gazillions of magazines. There will
all be granted guns in the courts. Armie Dillon, the
(15:14):
Assistant US Attorney General in charge of the Civil Rights Division,
has already notified Virginia that the moment the law goes
into effect, that the US Department of Justice is going
to sue Virginia to stop this because it's unconstitutional. So
you got all that going on, and of course the
(15:35):
utttended consequence of them selling more guns they ever thought possible.
All right, here's one that's interesting. Atf proposed rule could
reopen firearm imports from several former Soviet countries. This will
(15:55):
be a real change done by ATF, doesn't have to
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blocked from importing guns and ammunition into the US former
Soviet blocked countries. This rule would not affect Russia, so
we'll get your hope suppaging buy cheap Russian ammo, but
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(16:23):
and Uzbekistan. What would that get you? Maybe Aka's maybe
a lot of ammunition, a lot of opportunities for guns
from company countries that make a lot of guns or
make a lot of ammo. And look, there's more guns
and more ammo on the market. Could help hold down prices.
(16:44):
So we'll see what happens. They're very interesting stuff going
on here. Let's see a good scrap and Mike a
online four out of Winchester, Tennessee. Hey Mike, you're on
gun Talk.
Speaker 9 (16:55):
Hey Tom, how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I am great? What's on your mind?
Speaker 6 (16:59):
Listen to your show today? Hit a nerve because I
was just talking to somebody the other day about, you know,
inherited guns from your parents', grandparents, whatever. And you know,
I just turned seventy three last week, and I'm thinking
what am I gonna keep and what am I gonna give?
And then I went through the guns I got from
my dad. I got a nineteen oh six twenty two
Winchester pump that was my grandfather's. I got an Elsie
(17:21):
Smith side by side that was my grandfather's. And the
funny story is I've got an eight seventy wing Master
from the fifties in sixteen gage, which was the gauge
that my dad my uncle's all hunted with back then.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Right, Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
So the funny story is, do you remember S and
H green stamps?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yes, yes, I used to put those off with my mom.
I got to lick all those stamps and put them
in the books.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
So here's the story. My grandparents and my parents owned
a mortuary in Oakland back in the day, right, and
my dad used to get credits for buying and balming
fluid of all things, and he traded those credits into
that wing Chester shotgun.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Green stamps. I got balming stamps, balming stamps, oh my gosh.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Yeah, he got credits for buying embalming fluid at the martuary,
and that's how he ended up with his eight seventy
and I still.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Have it all right, So question asked, what are you
going to do with those? You're starting to think about, Okay,
who gets them and what happens to them? What's your playing?
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Well, so I collected, you know, from my law enforcement career.
I'm not getting rid of any of the firearms I
ever kept on duty. Those will go to my daughter
with a letter of this is what I carried. This
is my kimber, this is my Wilson Combat TQB. This
is my shotgun, this is my r Those are going
to her. The other ones I'm going to probably donate.
I sold a whole bunch we moved out of California,
(18:47):
and I sold a couple more to come down here
to Tennessee. But the rest of them, it depends. Might
let my wife sell them. But I have, you know,
certain things that I've earmarked for my nephew in Colorado
and deputies I worked with friends like that. But I've
got it all written out. We just did a living
trust and I've got that out, and I don't want
(19:07):
to sell them because it's even though it's stuff I'm
not really shooting, it's still a connection, you know, to
your history. Right.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
This is well, you know what I'm going to say next.
I mean, here's the deal, Mike. If you're going to
give them to some people, why wait till you're dead.
If you're not shooting them much now, if you gave
them to him now, you could share the stories, not
just write them, and talk to him about him and
maybe even take them out and shoot the guns with them.
(19:35):
I think it would mean a lot more to them
to get them from you now than after you're dead.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
That's a great point. But you know I'm not I'm
not planning to die anytime soon. Tom.
Speaker 10 (19:45):
So, well, you are a few people do I know,
tell me about it.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
But you know, you know, we're about the same age.
And every week turns around and go, Wow, somebody else
I know died. You're going you know that's not going
to happen to me. You know what, every one of
them thought the same thing.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Well, you know what, you're a wise man, and I
appreciate that.
Speaker 11 (20:08):
So when you're coming back to Idaho, Uh well.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
I think maybe next spring we're going to come back
and visit, and I'll, you know, definitely look you up.
And a bunch of other friends we got. We're putting
a swimming pool in right now, so that's going to
take over quite a while.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
So there you go. All right, when you come back,
give me a holler, we'll go shoot.
Speaker 12 (20:25):
Okay, you bet, I hope.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
So take care, Tom, Thank you all right?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Sounds good. Appreciate that. Let's see, Uh do you have
we got time to get Nicole in here? Barely all right, Nicole,
I got about a minute for you here, so let's
do it.
Speaker 12 (20:42):
There.
Speaker 10 (20:43):
I had a range report for you, Okay, I.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Got about a minute, so we got to squeeze it in.
Go ahead, all right.
Speaker 13 (20:49):
I picked up a VP nine CC last week. My
my favorite range gun that I have is my VP nine,
so I figured I would give the CC a try
as an eedy. I love it. The trigger is great.
The only complaint I have about it is that I
got block bite for lack of a better term, because
(21:11):
the I had to change the backstrap on it because
the beavertail didn't quite come up high enough to cover
over my hands.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Right.
Speaker 13 (21:20):
Oh, it bit me. But after I changed the backstrap,
it was fine.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You know, as we say, it's a learning experience. Once
it starts taking chunk of meet out of your hand,
you go, I'm not going to do that anymore.
Speaker 13 (21:32):
Exactly exactly, But I like it. It's definitely worth it.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I think very good. Well, those are really nice pistols
and they really feel good in the hands. I like
the ergonomics of them. And I apologize for the shortness
of it, but we're just running short on time here, Nicole.
Thank you for the range report very good. Those are
those are nice pistols. And a lot of these guns
now they come out in the standard configuration standard full size,
(21:59):
and then they bring out a compact more of a
conceal carry size, if you will. I know Smith with
the M and PS did the same thing, and I
love what they did there. If you have the full
size of a particular model and you like it, and
you're thinking about a consilo carry gun, why not go
with the smaller version, the compact version of the same
(22:21):
gun that you already know and have and probably have
a whole bunch of magazines for. Well, that's why they
bring them out, and it's also a good reason to
well why not why wouldn't you do that? Well? Have
you ever done that? All right, if you're on hold,
stay there, I'm going to get to you in just
a minute. But if they want to bring us up
(22:41):
to speed on something that's going on here, Wayne LaPier
just will not go away, you know, the former executive
vice president of the NRA. Much disgraced, he went back
to court and then a New York appeals court just
told him, Nope, nope, nope, you can't get away from
this one. You do in fact, oh, the NRA more
(23:03):
than four million dollars that you misappropriated or diverted to
personal use, four million bucks. So he still got to
pay the NRA four point three million dollars in restitution.
Also can't serve in its leadership for the next decade
at the NRA. Now, LaPier and his lawyer vowed to
(23:27):
pursue more appeals. We'll see what happens. But there's something
else going on here. The people who were running the NRA,
Lopier and the people around him, the cabal I call him,
who were how we were positioned at misusing, taking misdirecting
(23:49):
money by the tens of millions. We got rid of
those guys, and the new NRA has good leadership and
they're doing good things and they're coming back. I mean
Lopier almost killed if somebody said, he ran into the
ground and said no almost, but he almost killed it.
But it's coming back and it's nice and strong. However,
there's this other organization called the NRA Foundation, And if
(24:11):
you've ever been to a Friends of the NRA banquet,
that's the NRA Foundation. It's the fundraising side, and they
raised money for the NRA, except that there was a takeover,
and the rascals that were tossed out of the NRA
went to the NRA Foundation, and they're doing the same
(24:33):
things over there, and they're sitting on one hundred and
seventy million dollars net egg over there and now and
then NRA suited him and said, hey, that money's supposed
to be sent to the NRA. The reason that there's
an NRA foundation is so you raise money and he
goes to the NRA. So they said, okay, not a problem,
(24:53):
we'll just change the name. It's no longer the NRA Foundation.
How it's called the seventeen ninety one Foundation. And they're
basically wanting to split off from the NRA. They take
this one hundred and seventy something million dollars, and why
wouldn't they since they're the same group, turn around and say, well,
we're going to put Wayne LaPier in in charge of
(25:13):
this or one of our ancillary groups and start a
competition for the NRA using Wayne LaPier. The guy just
won't give up, he won't walk away. We'll see what happens.
I'll keep you posted on that. Lots going on. Betty
(25:34):
is online one out of Corpus Christie, Texas. Benny, you
bought a gun.
Speaker 10 (25:39):
I did a couple of times. How are you.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Okay?
Speaker 10 (25:46):
Well, last week I bought myself an R ten platform
rifle and seven six two fifty one and I put
a low variable, low power variable optic on it. I've
never done that before, but I listened to you. I
took your word for it. I went with a one
to six by twenty four.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I said, hour nice.
Speaker 10 (26:08):
So yes, sir, I'm plenty tickled with it. But then
earlier today, I'm sitting here in my mind is a whirl,
and I said to my better half, honey, and we
need to get a Ruter ten twenty two takedown model.
And she said, okay, just do it right and spend
the money. Tom says, how long did you go own
(26:31):
that rifle? She wants to make sure that I spent
enough money to do it right.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Well, good on her. You got to keep her, that's right.
I hear her back there too. Congratulations to both.
Speaker 10 (26:50):
Well, thank you, sir, Thank you sir. Yeah, I've already
sent a text message to my FFL and told him
that's what we're doing this week, so he'll.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Be You're gonna look Yeah, you're gonna love that. Rigger
ten twenty two is great, and the takedown version is
just so much fun.
Speaker 10 (27:06):
Well, you know, I've got twenty two caliber rifles, but
I've never had a ten twenty two, and I thought,
what kind of gun owner am I?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Well, I was just going to say, that's just on America.
You got to have a Rigger ten twenty two.
Speaker 10 (27:19):
That's correct, sir, Well, good for you.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
You're gonna do. You're gonna enjoy that. Out of that
congratulations and look, I appreciate the calls. Let me grab
James online three out of Eastern Arizona. Hey, James, you're up.
What's up?
Speaker 12 (27:32):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (27:33):
Tom? Good to talk to you again. I want to
share with you. I was asked recently to head up
a new security team for our little church out here
in the country, Okay. And the first thing I did
is I called and how the buddy mine is a
trainer back in Oklahoma City. He recommended the guy named
Steve Moses Dallas, a training group in Dallas, Texas, and
(27:56):
they have a We went to a two day first
security fundamentals class which did involve some shooting, but it
was more We spend more time on you know, working
through a crowd with with a gun, how to point it,
keep it safe, hands on, bought in suspicious people, so
(28:19):
all the other things that that you don't normally encounter
in a training group. Right, that's just the stooting, it's
some pepper spray practice with some inert training pepper sprays,
it's work with other types of non lethal weapons, and
uh it was. It was an awesome class. It really was.
(28:42):
Was a little well not too pricey, but uh it
was well worth it. My buddy and I that went
came back and we've got a group of about ten
now in our church that we're working through. We got
certified to train the members of our team now and
that if anybody he is listening to having dealing with
(29:02):
the church security team or anything like that. Palisade Training
Group in Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Like you got a lot. You sound like you've got
a lot of those in taught moments. I never thought of.
Speaker 9 (29:14):
That, Yes, exactly. We We built everything from encountering suspicious
people that walk up and uh, you know, how to
protect yourself from sucker punches to uh, you know, like
I said, working through crowds, you know, having a gun
drawn that working through a crowd safely verbal commands, of course.
(29:38):
And the shooting part was interesting that we had to
qualify by keeping all of our shots in a three
by five index card sized target against the clock were
all all of our all of our shots were timed
at at three seconds per shot from from a low
(29:59):
red or ron piled or I'm ready position. And the
movement well, shooting resolve No h's where it had to
be in a three by five index card.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Man, That sounds like good training. Look, I appreciate it.
I got to keep moving here, that is great. And
the other thing you learn in these classes church security
is you need people outside, you need them in the
parking lot. Yeah. Basically what you'd really like to do
is intercept the problem before it gets into the building.
And so I know that's an important part of it.
And as you say, is not just shooting. There's a
(30:33):
whole lot more to it. So if you're forming a
security team for your church, you really do need to
get some training because there's a lot of things you
possibly probably have not considered having thought about. Let's grab
line four Kens with us out of point boys the Idaho. Hey, Ken,
you're on gun talk. What's up.
Speaker 12 (30:52):
Well, you've been talking about Father's Day and guns from
father's grandfathers and grandsons and so on. I've had some
all that. So I've got a safe full of guns
I've inherited from uncles and my father and my grandfather,
and I've got once on. I've given him a list
with the provenance of all the guns I've gotten, and
(31:15):
if I have some desire for her to stay in
the family or whatever, I've let him know that. But
what I wanted to tell you about was my two grandsons.
There are fifteen and thirteen, and I have a old
Remington Model eleven that I inherited from my grandfather and
it has been well used. There wasn't a bit of
(31:37):
blue on it anywhere, and it spent a lot of
time in duct lines, so I had it refurbished. And
I also have an fan A five that was my
father was a sixteen gage that's killed a lot of
pheasants in his lifetime.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Oarvious, Jop Beckers, you know this, but for those who
might not, the room to Amount eleven was the precursor
to the Browning A five.
Speaker 12 (32:04):
Absolutely it was before and picked up the license right anyway,
I thought What would be interesting was to have one
of my grandsons get their great grandfather's shotgun and the
other one would get their great great grandfather's shotgun. So
I let the older boy choose first, and so those
(32:26):
those guns will be there for another generation.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
That is fabulous. I know you have shared the stories
and you know, anything you've got that you could share
in terms of written form or something so they have
that they can remember it. I would share as many
stories as you can, because that's that is as important
as the guns themselves.
Speaker 12 (32:47):
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Well done, ken. I applaud you, sir for thinking ahead
and getting ahead of that thing. Thank you. I appreciate
the call. As we're kind of heading toward Father's Day,
we think about those experiences, the items that we got
passed down to us, and then what are we gonna
do with those? I mean, look, if you're forty five,
don't worry about it. But if you're you know, get
a little older and you're thinking, yeah, I'm gonna put
(33:10):
those in my will, you know, it really would be
cool for everybody involved, for you and the person to
give them the gun, to to do it now and
share the stories, maybe even sit down and record a
video with it where you if you say, I just
I don't know if I can write this, not a problem.
It's easy. Now he set up your phone and you
record a video and you sedill start telling the stories
(33:33):
of you know, granddad had this gun and there was
a time when he had it in the duckbline. It's
like in my case, i'thing. Yeah, my dad had this
le Bocarelli side by side shotgun, sixteen gauge gun and
we were out duck hunting and he fell in the
water and went in over his head. And he's got
this very nice high end shotgun, and now what do
we do? So we had to take it to a
gun swith and he took it all apart, find the
(33:55):
right guy. It's just it's those stories that make the
history come alive and make no mistake. Within each of
these guns that were handing down, you're handing down history,
your family history, the great stories. And so I mean
I have guns. When I pick them up, I just
(34:16):
remember where I was when I used that. I remember
whether I was with my dad or with my son
or in one case where Ryan got his first elk,
he was sitting next to his grandfather to Gritz and
I was behind them taking pictures, So you got three
(34:38):
generations out there. In fourteen year old Ryan shoots his
first elk with his thirty out six left handed Reminton
under correction or left handed Ruger seventy seven, very nice rifle,
which unfortunately lost that in Hurricane Katrina when the house
flooded and visually fell down. That's okay, we replaced them all,
(35:01):
but he lost all his guns and Katrina, so as
did a lot of other people. But great stories and pictures.
Oh you have pictures, include those with the guns, the stories,
the pictures, the whole deal. You're sharing a history as
much as anything else. And also, you know it's if
(35:22):
you document it, it's easier for people to remember. So yeah,
Jim says, yeah. But Ryan did save his drum set.
Actually it was in the back of the truck. He
had played a gig the night before, got up in
the morning, checked the weather, and him being an outdoor
person and understanding whether he looked at it and told
his wife he says, throw everything in your car. We're
(35:44):
leaving in like twenty minutes, said, what do you mean,
Just this storm has changed direction, it's heading this direction,
it's heading our way. So he already had the drums
in the back of his truck and they threw everything in.
Think of it once again, because we do this all
the time in South Louisiana. We're gonna, in fact, you
eight for a couple of days. We'll go up north
to North Louisiana. We'll visit mom and dad, and then
(36:05):
we'll come back. Well, they came up. There was no
going back. They had ten feet water in the house
for two weeks. I was actually not there. I was
on a mountain in Alaska directing a shoot, a video
shoot about a hunt for doll sheep, and we had
(36:28):
no news at all and came out and we're getting
flown out. I'm waiting by this airstrip in Alaska. This
gold miner who lived nearby came out. We're talking and
he said, where are you from. I said, I'm from Louisiana.
He said, oh, they just had a big storm there.
You know, parts of New Orleans flooded. I said, oh, yeah,
you know wherever it rains there, the streets flood there.
(36:49):
He says, no, Now, they had like a real flood.
So Okay, got back into Fairbanks and called home and
I said, yeah, New Orleans is flooded. We've got twelve
people in the house here refuse geez. You know when
you get down there, you know that's what you're going
to find. And so that was the deal. There you go,
some of those stories, you swap them around and you've
(37:11):
got the stories. I've got the stories. To me, that's
what these old guns are about. And they don't have
to be old like antique guns. They just be guns
that have been in the family. I have the first
gun that I owned and still own. He belonged to
my grandfather, Tom Ryan. There you go. I was named
(37:36):
after him. Ryan was named after him, Dr Thomas Ryan,
and it was to know the little Browning twenty two
Semiauto with the bottom e jecks to take down rifle.
I was probably about as tall as that thing was
when I got it, and Dad wouldn't let me shoot
it for many years because I was way too young
for that. But it's very cool that my granddad, who
(37:58):
I was named after, gave it to and we're going
I still have that twenty two. Never was able to
shoot it well, sights are so low on it or
something about the way I fit it. I can never
get really down hard on the sites. But it's a
cool gun. I'll always keep it. And then, actually, as
I'm thinking about right now, it's probably time for me
(38:18):
to think about passing that along too. No point me
holding on to it. I'm not shooting it. So there
you go. That one's going to get passed along as well.
And now that I have grandkids, well the options opened
up quite a bit. What are you going to do here?
And I have two of well, two granddaughters who both
(38:40):
shoot from the left side on long guns because they
are left eye dominant the way I am, the way
Ryan is the way his sister is, right handed and
left eye dominant. There we go. But you know what,
if you identify that early on, you switch them over
to the left shoulder, they can still shoot handguns right handed,
shoot long guns left handed. It all works out just fine.
(39:03):
As we head toward Father's Day, if you got a
story about your dad and guns and shooting, by all means,
give me a shout. Let's share it now. Eight six
six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. I'm Tom Brasham.
Check us out on gun talk dot com. Be right back,
(39:24):
all right, right now will be a good time for
you to call. If you want to be part of
the after show, give me a shout at Tom Talkgun.
We're gonna be talking on the f show a bit
about this shooting last night in Toledo. Twelve people were
shot at a festival where who knows what happened. We'll
get more details on that pretty terrible situation. We really
(39:46):
don't know exactly what happened yet, and the police are
being a little bit close mouthed on it, trying to
sort it out, no doubt, so we'll cover that. It's
just a reminder about being careful about where you go.
But sometimes you're a place where you wouldn't thought there
could be an issue. I go back to the whole Okay,
carrying a gun might have helped. What also might have
(40:07):
helped if you were there would be a stop the
bleep kit, If you had hemostatic gauze with you and
a tournique, you might have been able to help somebody,
somebody who you're with, maybe yourself or maybe even a stranger.
So just just food for thought there. Okay, let's say
let's go grab David in Las Vegas on five. David,
I got about two minutes for you, so let's get
(40:28):
into it please.
Speaker 11 (40:30):
Yeah, I'll be real quick. I agree with what you
said that if you want to pass a gun on somebody,
do it because literally or literally, this is fifty years
ago when I was twenty years old. I had an
old man I was a friend with, and in front
of his wife, he said, hey, he said his wife,
is something happened to me? I want David had this gun.
So yeah, A year orfore later, ends up dying, and
(40:50):
then I ended up passing on that story onto his son,
and then his son asks his mom, and his mom goes,
I don't remember that, so it maybe look like like
a jerk, like if I made it up because because
the man died and I wanted the gun. So I'm
sorry to I agree. If you want to give a
gun to somebody, you know why they're alive. Just because
somebody has a will doesn't don't guarantee they're going to
get the gun or they don't have a will, you
(41:12):
know what I'm saying, So give it to the person
while they're alive, you know, give it to the person
where they're alive.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Yeah, good point, Dave. I appreciate that. Yeah. And the
other part of it is if just telling somebody your family, Well,
I want to make sure that you know, David gets
this gun after I die. If it's not in the will,
there's no telling what's going to happen people. I mean,
I have any number of stories people have told me.
After a death in the family, other family members come
(41:41):
in and immediately ransack the gun safe or the gun
shelves or whatever. They just disappear all of a sudden,
you know, the next day or two, the guns are
not there because everybody's there, you know, with the greeting
widow and helping out the family and helping themselves. So
(42:04):
just if you don't want some disaster like that happening,
spell it out, put it in your will. With this
gun goes to so and so or as we say,
even better take care of it. Now, that's the fun
of it. Hey, let's go out to the rain shoot
these guns. And then when you're done, you say, oh,
(42:24):
you like that gun. Huh, I'll tell you what's yours?
What do you mean, No, No, it's yours. I'm giving
it to you right now. Well that would be cool,
wouldn't it. What a great thing to do, have the
experience of shooting together and then giving the gun to somebody.
I mean, look, if you're you know, middle aged, young
middle aged, don't sweat this. But if you're not, and
(42:48):
you got these guns and you're thinking about doing something
with them, well just saying that, that's what I would do.
That's what I have in fact been doing, and we're
making sure that's particularly. Some of the guns that belong
to my dad are already handed down to Ryan and
members of the family, and now we're going to start
working with I've got my mom's gun, her rifle in
(43:09):
two fifty seven Roberts, and we got to get that
to one of the grandkids, just simple as that, just
because it's a cool rifle. We'll make that happen, all right,
So this is what's going on around here. We got
a brand new cartridge and brand new technology, exciting stuff.
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All right back with here with gun talk, I'm Tom Gresham. Yeah,
there's a whole lot going on in this news about
the crazy stuff from Federal higher pressure cartridge, the six
y five creed more leap frogs over the sixty five
PRC and that's just dipping your toe in the water.
Now we're just getting idea of what this thing could be.
(00:50):
We're joining right now by Jason Vanderbrick from the Kinetic Group. Jason,
you're what CEO, President Graham, Poopa and trash taker Outer.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
That's about it, Tom, thanks for having us, and it's
certainly a good couple of days. But yes, no, chairman
and CEO of the Kinectic Group.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Okay, so a couple of days ago you introduced peak
alloy plus peak. How do you how do we say this?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Yeah, we're we introduced on Friday six to five creed
More plus peak. So peak alloy is obviously we launched
it last year. It's our alloy case technology that we
launched a seven back country and uh so you mung
us stay on Friday introducing the same technology to six
or five creed More.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Users at its core because a lot of us looked
at the seven back Country last year we went okay, yeah,
you got more pressure and then you got a special
case and here you got to get a new rifle
for it. Fine, but this is a whole different deal.
This is the higher pressure ammo more velocity that you
could either get the more veloscity or get the same
velocity out of a short barrel. But the key here
(01:57):
is you could shoot it in your exist six five
creed More rifle and it's perfectly safe. Yeah, that's that
was the thought on this is.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
You know, that country really really changed the game as
far as what case technology can do to a performance,
and it's been beyond our belief on how big that
country was. But now with the amount of creed More
guns already in the field. This is a This is
a game changer like anything that we've ever done. And
(02:28):
we're kind of an innovative company in the AMO segment,
so this is this is a big deal because of
the amount of rifles in the field already.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
And yes, it will change things. I mean, if you
have a six y five creed more now you're actually
going faster than a six five p RC. Get a
short action and a lighter rifle, and you can do
it with a shorter barrel if you want. But Jason,
I'm thinking that for me, the thing that's exciting is
that the technology itself when you start applying it across
other cartridges, other technologies within ballistic I don't think it's
(03:01):
overstating it to say this thing may be as important
and revolutionary as smokeless powder was. I agree.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
The way we've we've been working on this for I
don't know how many, I mean several several years. This
technology and the way we the way, the analogy we
use to the team in Minnesota is this is as
as it was from a from a turboprop plane to
a jet engine. We really think this technology is that
(03:33):
revolutionary to our industry.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
I think so and obviously you're going eighty thousand PSI
in this and we know that some of the experimental
stuff you've been doing with military is bordering on twice
that I don't know we'll ever see that in the
commercial side, but just it indicates what can be done
when you start going experimental and stretching things out.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Absolutely, this is the sky's the limit on this technology.
It's it's uh, you know, it's it's just revolutionizing centerfire
rifle AMMO. You know, if you think about it and
you compare it to the bullet technology that the industry
has seen in the last couple of decades, which bullets,
as you well know, the technology and performance is amazing
(04:19):
from what it was back in the cup and core
core locked power shock base, right. But really, now that
you got the bullets, the bullets that can take the performance,
now you're getting your living a performance out of a
six Creedmore that is, I mean handily out does six
to five perc with one more in the magazine. And no,
(04:42):
you know, sometimes there's been issues on feeding capabilities of
a poc. Creedmore gives you all of the benefits and
absolutely nothing that you lose on this technology.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
You know, I keep coming up with these ideas, and
you just came up with one I had not thought of.
Is now you have magnum performance in your rifle with
one more round because you don't have to have this
big fat cartridge in there. So I mean, you're just
winning and winning all across the board. Where where did
this idea and where did this concept for this technology
(05:16):
come from? Originally, we have.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Been working on this a long time and and uh,
we have some of the best engineers in the world
who you know, you know, engineers are tom They can
come up with some crazy stuff and but it never
goes to market or it's a flop. But we had
a we had some engineers come up with this technology
in it and it just took a long time to
(05:41):
figure out how to make it effectively. You know, I
don't want to I don't want to let the cat
out of the bag. It's it's it is that it
is a super complex process. It is not just a steelcase,
you know. It's it's there's lots of aspects that had
to commercialize the commercialization process of bringing this thought to
(06:05):
loaded animal on the shelf. For different aspects that you'll
see coming from it just come from some of the
smartest engineers in the industry.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Well that kind of leads us to okay, so you
know how it is, we've seen this before. You bring
out this product, and like an hour after you bring
it out, people say, Okay, that's really great. So what's next.
What's the next thing you're going to do? Right, stay tuned.
I mean, there's obviously there's no reason in the world
to say you couldn't apply this to other existing cartridges.
(06:36):
You're thirty odd six become or three O eight becomes
a three hundred magnum, You're you're seven O eight becomes
a seven magnum. It's just on and on and on
what you can do with this.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
It's a game changing technology for the whole industry and
and being being you know, I think everyone looks to
Federal for innovation. This is like I said, I don't
I don't think the game changer analogy which you see
that what happened on Friday. Everyone is saying this changes
the game.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
That is not. That is not exaggerating, No it's not.
And there are other technologies that are going along with this.
Because marching right side by side, you've got some people
doing some really interesting research on gain twist rifling, which
is an old technology and idea, but now they're doing
some new stuff with it to manage and take advantage
(07:25):
of the higher pressures. So you're not getting that real
quick peek at the beginning. So there's some things going
on there, some new materials in barrels. You know, you
can have shorter, lighter rifles in fact with this technology, it's.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Just it's exciting, exciting as you can be. I mean,
the performance you can get on of a fourteen sixteen
inch barrel is it's unbelievable to me.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I mean, you know, if you're going to use.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
A standard twenty four inch barrel, which is a standard
link test barrel, but I mean in six in seven backcountry,
I mean, the performance of a sixteen incher is unbelievable
because of what this technology allows you to do. So
we're excited where this is going to go, and certainly
talking about the barrel manufacturing technology. It is just an
(08:12):
exciting time to be in this space and we're happy
to always lead that forefront and innovation.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Well, Federal has been innovative. For those who've been around
a long time, we'll remember that Federal was the one
that a first company, well right after Weatherby, but it's
Federal right in there bringing out the first load of
AMMO with premium bullets that handloaders were using bullets from Sierra,
noaser partitions. Federal was the one that said, hey, we
could use that in factory AMMO.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Yeah, nineteen seventy seven.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Noah. The innovation, it's in our missions.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
It's our mission statement at Federal. And you know, the
last couple of years, while certainly hasn't been the greatest
sales and profitability for the industry, we have never cut
an R and D budget and we never will. It's
that's what customers expect from Federal is innovation, and this
is just innovation times ten.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
As a guy who sells stuff, you have thought about this.
There's got to be a concern at least a little
bit that people are going to look at the new
technology and say, well, why would I buy the old technology?
Could just cannibalize sales of other AMA. Yeah, No, it's uh.
When when you do this stuff, one plus one needs
equal three.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
I mean uh, and and certainly we we we understand
that you run almost now you can never think of
all these different scenarios. But we have thought this through
and UH and we love our position, we love what
it's going to bring to UH, to our company, and
UH we we understand the cannibalization, but on this, on this,
(09:51):
it's the game was way too.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Big not not to go after this.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
And and again I think one of the one of
the it's not just a slogan, it's what we live
and breathe every day at the Connetic Group. We got
to bring solutions to end users that aren't just marketing hype. Right,
short barrels and suppressors is where the market's going.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Let's go.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Let's go bring this solution that doesn't sacrifice performance to
the users, and we'll win every time. And this is
this is just following a slogan that we really think of.
You've started the end user and work backwards, bring end
users solutions that that are game changing, and this just
(10:36):
amplifies that.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
It does the six to five creed more plus peak
amazing technology. Jason Vanderbrink, President CEO of the Cadetic Group. Congratulations,
this is exciting. I cannot wait to see what you
do next. Awesome.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Thanks Tom, thanks for your time and keep up the
great work that you do for this industry.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Well, I appreciate that. All right, don't go far. We'll
be right back with more gun Talk.
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Speaker 2 (13:42):
Yeah, sorry, this is fun. Virginia gun sales double as
more state prosecutors said they won't enforce an AR fifteen band.
Virginia Legislature PAS and the governor signed a gun ban.
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It goes into Sect July one, bands a whole bunch
of guns, including the air fifteens. Also bans standard capacity magazines,
magazines that hold more than fifteen rounds, like oh, your
standard clock a number. It started off with three or four,
and now I think it's a dozen or more. State
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prosecutors is said they are not going to enforce this law.
Just not. They say it's unconstitutional. It violates the Virginia Constitution,
forget the US Constitution. But as a result of this
being passed, people in Virginia are rushing to gun stores.
(14:47):
They are buying guns like crazy. They're I mean, I
don't care if it's Palmeta State Army. They're buying through
the mail or going to the local gun stores. They
are buying guns, not just rs, but all sorts of guns,
guns that hold handgun the whole more than fifteen rounds,
magazines like crazy, I mean gazillions of magazines. There will
all be granted guns in the courts. Armie Dillon, the
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Assistant US Attorney General in charge of the Civil Rights Division,
has already notified Virginia that the moment the law goes
into effect, that the US Department of Justice is going
to sue Virginia to stop this because it's unconstitutional. So
you got all that going on, and of course the
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utttended consequence of them selling more guns they ever thought possible.
All right, here's one that's interesting. Atf proposed rule could
reopen firearm imports from several former Soviet countries. This will
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be a real change done by ATF, doesn't have to
go through Congress. Currently, a whole bunch of countries are
blocked from importing guns and ammunition into the US former
Soviet blocked countries. This rule would not affect Russia, so
we'll get your hope suppaging buy cheap Russian ammo, but
it would cover the countries of Georgia, Kazakhstan, Kurjikistan, Moldavia, Turkmenistan, Ukraine,
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and Uzbekistan. What would that get you? Maybe Aka's maybe
a lot of ammunition, a lot of opportunities for guns
from company countries that make a lot of guns or
make a lot of ammo. And look, there's more guns
and more ammo on the market. Could help hold down prices.
(16:44):
So we'll see what happens. They're very interesting stuff going
on here. Let's see a good scrap and Mike a
online four out of Winchester, Tennessee. Hey Mike, you're on
gun Talk.
Speaker 9 (16:55):
Hey Tom, how are you doing?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I am great? What's on your mind?
Speaker 6 (16:59):
Listen to your show today? Hit a nerve because I
was just talking to somebody the other day about, you know,
inherited guns from your parents', grandparents, whatever. And you know,
I just turned seventy three last week, and I'm thinking
what am I gonna keep and what am I gonna give?
And then I went through the guns I got from
my dad. I got a nineteen oh six twenty two
Winchester pump that was my grandfather's. I got an Elsie
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Smith side by side that was my grandfather's. And the
funny story is I've got an eight seventy wing Master
from the fifties in sixteen gage, which was the gauge
that my dad my uncle's all hunted with back then.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Right, Oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:37):
So the funny story is, do you remember S and
H green stamps?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yes, yes, I used to put those off with my mom.
I got to lick all those stamps and put them
in the books.
Speaker 6 (17:46):
So here's the story. My grandparents and my parents owned
a mortuary in Oakland back in the day, right, and
my dad used to get credits for buying and balming
fluid of all things, and he traded those credits into
that wing Chester shotgun.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Green stamps. I got balming stamps, balming stamps, oh my gosh.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Yeah, he got credits for buying embalming fluid at the martuary,
and that's how he ended up with his eight seventy
and I still.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Have it all right, So question asked, what are you
going to do with those? You're starting to think about, Okay,
who gets them and what happens to them? What's your playing?
Speaker 6 (18:25):
Well, so I collected, you know, from my law enforcement career.
I'm not getting rid of any of the firearms I
ever kept on duty. Those will go to my daughter
with a letter of this is what I carried. This
is my kimber, this is my Wilson Combat TQB. This
is my shotgun, this is my r Those are going
to her. The other ones I'm going to probably donate.
I sold a whole bunch we moved out of California,
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and I sold a couple more to come down here
to Tennessee. But the rest of them, it depends. Might
let my wife sell them. But I have, you know,
certain things that I've earmarked for my nephew in Colorado
and deputies I worked with friends like that. But I've
got it all written out. We just did a living
trust and I've got that out, and I don't want
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to sell them because it's even though it's stuff I'm
not really shooting, it's still a connection, you know, to
your history. Right.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
This is well, you know what I'm going to say next.
I mean, here's the deal, Mike. If you're going to
give them to some people, why wait till you're dead.
If you're not shooting them much now, if you gave
them to him now, you could share the stories, not
just write them, and talk to him about him and
maybe even take them out and shoot the guns with them.
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I think it would mean a lot more to them
to get them from you now than after you're dead.
Speaker 6 (19:40):
That's a great point. But you know I'm not I'm
not planning to die anytime soon. Tom.
Speaker 10 (19:45):
So, well, you are a few people do I know,
tell me about it.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
But you know, you know, we're about the same age.
And every week turns around and go, Wow, somebody else
I know died. You're going you know that's not going
to happen to me. You know what, every one of
them thought the same thing.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Well, you know what, you're a wise man, and I
appreciate that.
Speaker 11 (20:08):
So when you're coming back to Idaho, Uh well.
Speaker 6 (20:12):
I think maybe next spring we're going to come back
and visit, and I'll, you know, definitely look you up.
And a bunch of other friends we got. We're putting
a swimming pool in right now, so that's going to
take over quite a while.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
So there you go. All right, when you come back,
give me a holler, we'll go shoot.
Speaker 12 (20:25):
Okay, you bet, I hope.
Speaker 6 (20:27):
So take care, Tom, Thank you all right?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Sounds good. Appreciate that. Let's see, Uh do you have
we got time to get Nicole in here? Barely all right, Nicole,
I got about a minute for you here, so let's
do it.
Speaker 12 (20:42):
There.
Speaker 10 (20:43):
I had a range report for you, Okay, I.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Got about a minute, so we got to squeeze it in.
Go ahead, all right.
Speaker 13 (20:49):
I picked up a VP nine CC last week. My
my favorite range gun that I have is my VP nine,
so I figured I would give the CC a try
as an eedy. I love it. The trigger is great.
The only complaint I have about it is that I
got block bite for lack of a better term, because
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the I had to change the backstrap on it because
the beavertail didn't quite come up high enough to cover
over my hands.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Right.
Speaker 13 (21:20):
Oh, it bit me. But after I changed the backstrap,
it was fine.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
You know, as we say, it's a learning experience. Once
it starts taking chunk of meet out of your hand,
you go, I'm not going to do that anymore.
Speaker 13 (21:32):
Exactly exactly, But I like it. It's definitely worth it.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I think very good. Well, those are really nice pistols
and they really feel good in the hands. I like
the ergonomics of them. And I apologize for the shortness
of it, but we're just running short on time here, Nicole.
Thank you for the range report very good. Those are
those are nice pistols. And a lot of these guns
now they come out in the standard configuration standard full size,
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and then they bring out a compact more of a
conceal carry size, if you will. I know Smith with
the M and PS did the same thing, and I
love what they did there. If you have the full
size of a particular model and you like it, and
you're thinking about a consilo carry gun, why not go
with the smaller version, the compact version of the same
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gun that you already know and have and probably have
a whole bunch of magazines for. Well, that's why they
bring them out, and it's also a good reason to
well why not why wouldn't you do that? Well? Have
you ever done that? All right, if you're on hold,
stay there, I'm going to get to you in just
a minute. But if they want to bring us up
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to speed on something that's going on here, Wayne LaPier
just will not go away, you know, the former executive
vice president of the NRA. Much disgraced, he went back
to court and then a New York appeals court just
told him, Nope, nope, nope, you can't get away from
this one. You do in fact, oh, the NRA more
(23:03):
than four million dollars that you misappropriated or diverted to
personal use, four million bucks. So he still got to
pay the NRA four point three million dollars in restitution.
Also can't serve in its leadership for the next decade
at the NRA. Now, LaPier and his lawyer vowed to
(23:27):
pursue more appeals. We'll see what happens. But there's something
else going on here. The people who were running the NRA,
Lopier and the people around him, the cabal I call him,
who were how we were positioned at misusing, taking misdirecting
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money by the tens of millions. We got rid of
those guys, and the new NRA has good leadership and
they're doing good things and they're coming back. I mean
Lopier almost killed if somebody said, he ran into the
ground and said no almost, but he almost killed it.
But it's coming back and it's nice and strong. However,
there's this other organization called the NRA Foundation, And if
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you've ever been to a Friends of the NRA banquet,
that's the NRA Foundation. It's the fundraising side, and they
raised money for the NRA, except that there was a takeover,
and the rascals that were tossed out of the NRA
went to the NRA Foundation, and they're doing the same
(24:33):
things over there, and they're sitting on one hundred and
seventy million dollars net egg over there and now and
then NRA suited him and said, hey, that money's supposed
to be sent to the NRA. The reason that there's
an NRA foundation is so you raise money and he
goes to the NRA. So they said, okay, not a problem,
(24:53):
we'll just change the name. It's no longer the NRA Foundation.
How it's called the seventeen ninety one Foundation. And they're
basically wanting to split off from the NRA. They take
this one hundred and seventy something million dollars, and why
wouldn't they since they're the same group, turn around and say, well,
we're going to put Wayne LaPier in in charge of
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this or one of our ancillary groups and start a
competition for the NRA using Wayne LaPier. The guy just
won't give up, he won't walk away. We'll see what happens.
I'll keep you posted on that. Lots going on. Betty
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is online one out of Corpus Christie, Texas. Benny, you
bought a gun.
Speaker 10 (25:39):
I did a couple of times. How are you.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Okay?
Speaker 10 (25:46):
Well, last week I bought myself an R ten platform
rifle and seven six two fifty one and I put
a low variable, low power variable optic on it. I've
never done that before, but I listened to you. I
took your word for it. I went with a one
to six by twenty four.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
I said, hour nice.
Speaker 10 (26:08):
So yes, sir, I'm plenty tickled with it. But then
earlier today, I'm sitting here in my mind is a whirl,
and I said to my better half, honey, and we
need to get a Ruter ten twenty two takedown model.
And she said, okay, just do it right and spend
the money. Tom says, how long did you go own
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that rifle? She wants to make sure that I spent
enough money to do it right.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
Well, good on her. You got to keep her, that's right.
I hear her back there too. Congratulations to both.
Speaker 10 (26:50):
Well, thank you, sir, Thank you sir. Yeah, I've already
sent a text message to my FFL and told him
that's what we're doing this week, so he'll.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Be You're gonna look Yeah, you're gonna love that. Rigger
ten twenty two is great, and the takedown version is
just so much fun.
Speaker 10 (27:06):
Well, you know, I've got twenty two caliber rifles, but
I've never had a ten twenty two, and I thought,
what kind of gun owner am I?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Well, I was just going to say, that's just on America.
You got to have a Rigger ten twenty two.
Speaker 10 (27:19):
That's correct, sir, Well, good for you.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
You're gonna do. You're gonna enjoy that. Out of that
congratulations and look, I appreciate the calls. Let me grab
James online three out of Eastern Arizona. Hey, James, you're up.
What's up?
Speaker 12 (27:32):
Hey?
Speaker 9 (27:33):
Tom? Good to talk to you again. I want to
share with you. I was asked recently to head up
a new security team for our little church out here
in the country, Okay. And the first thing I did
is I called and how the buddy mine is a
trainer back in Oklahoma City. He recommended the guy named
Steve Moses Dallas, a training group in Dallas, Texas, and
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they have a We went to a two day first
security fundamentals class which did involve some shooting, but it
was more We spend more time on you know, working
through a crowd with with a gun, how to point it,
keep it safe, hands on, bought in suspicious people, so
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all the other things that that you don't normally encounter
in a training group. Right, that's just the stooting, it's
some pepper spray practice with some inert training pepper sprays,
it's work with other types of non lethal weapons, and
uh it was. It was an awesome class. It really was.
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Was a little well not too pricey, but uh it
was well worth it. My buddy and I that went
came back and we've got a group of about ten
now in our church that we're working through. We got
certified to train the members of our team now and
that if anybody he is listening to having dealing with
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the church security team or anything like that. Palisade Training
Group in Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Like you got a lot. You sound like you've got
a lot of those in taught moments. I never thought of.
Speaker 9 (29:14):
That, Yes, exactly. We We built everything from encountering suspicious
people that walk up and uh, you know, how to
protect yourself from sucker punches to uh, you know, like
I said, working through crowds, you know, having a gun
drawn that working through a crowd safely verbal commands, of course.
(29:38):
And the shooting part was interesting that we had to
qualify by keeping all of our shots in a three
by five index card sized target against the clock were
all all of our all of our shots were timed
at at three seconds per shot from from a low
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red or ron piled or I'm ready position. And the
movement well, shooting resolve No h's where it had to
be in a three by five index card.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Man, That sounds like good training. Look, I appreciate it.
I got to keep moving here, that is great. And
the other thing you learn in these classes church security
is you need people outside, you need them in the
parking lot. Yeah. Basically what you'd really like to do
is intercept the problem before it gets into the building.
And so I know that's an important part of it.
And as you say, is not just shooting. There's a
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whole lot more to it. So if you're forming a
security team for your church, you really do need to
get some training because there's a lot of things you
possibly probably have not considered having thought about. Let's grab
line four Kens with us out of point boys the Idaho. Hey, Ken,
you're on gun talk. What's up.
Speaker 12 (30:52):
Well, you've been talking about Father's Day and guns from
father's grandfathers and grandsons and so on. I've had some
all that. So I've got a safe full of guns
I've inherited from uncles and my father and my grandfather,
and I've got once on. I've given him a list
with the provenance of all the guns I've gotten, and
(31:15):
if I have some desire for her to stay in
the family or whatever, I've let him know that. But
what I wanted to tell you about was my two grandsons.
There are fifteen and thirteen, and I have a old
Remington Model eleven that I inherited from my grandfather and
it has been well used. There wasn't a bit of
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blue on it anywhere, and it spent a lot of
time in duct lines, so I had it refurbished. And
I also have an fan A five that was my
father was a sixteen gage that's killed a lot of
pheasants in his lifetime.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Oarvious, Jop Beckers, you know this, but for those who
might not, the room to Amount eleven was the precursor
to the Browning A five.
Speaker 12 (32:04):
Absolutely it was before and picked up the license right anyway,
I thought What would be interesting was to have one
of my grandsons get their great grandfather's shotgun and the
other one would get their great great grandfather's shotgun. So
I let the older boy choose first, and so those
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those guns will be there for another generation.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
That is fabulous. I know you have shared the stories
and you know, anything you've got that you could share
in terms of written form or something so they have
that they can remember it. I would share as many
stories as you can, because that's that is as important
as the guns themselves.
Speaker 12 (32:47):
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Well done, ken. I applaud you, sir for thinking ahead
and getting ahead of that thing. Thank you. I appreciate
the call. As we're kind of heading toward Father's Day,
we think about those experiences, the items that we got
passed down to us, and then what are we gonna
do with those? I mean, look, if you're forty five,
don't worry about it. But if you're you know, get
a little older and you're thinking, yeah, I'm gonna put
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those in my will, you know, it really would be
cool for everybody involved, for you and the person to
give them the gun, to to do it now and
share the stories, maybe even sit down and record a
video with it where you if you say, I just
I don't know if I can write this, not a problem.
It's easy. Now he set up your phone and you
record a video and you sedill start telling the stories
(33:33):
of you know, granddad had this gun and there was
a time when he had it in the duckbline. It's
like in my case, i'thing. Yeah, my dad had this
le Bocarelli side by side shotgun, sixteen gauge gun and
we were out duck hunting and he fell in the
water and went in over his head. And he's got
this very nice high end shotgun, and now what do
we do? So we had to take it to a
gun swith and he took it all apart, find the
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right guy. It's just it's those stories that make the
history come alive and make no mistake. Within each of
these guns that were handing down, you're handing down history,
your family history, the great stories. And so I mean
I have guns. When I pick them up, I just
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remember where I was when I used that. I remember
whether I was with my dad or with my son
or in one case where Ryan got his first elk,
he was sitting next to his grandfather to Gritz and
I was behind them taking pictures, So you got three
(34:38):
generations out there. In fourteen year old Ryan shoots his
first elk with his thirty out six left handed Reminton
under correction or left handed Ruger seventy seven, very nice rifle,
which unfortunately lost that in Hurricane Katrina when the house
flooded and visually fell down. That's okay, we replaced them all,
(35:01):
but he lost all his guns and Katrina, so as
did a lot of other people. But great stories and pictures.
Oh you have pictures, include those with the guns, the stories,
the pictures, the whole deal. You're sharing a history as
much as anything else. And also, you know it's if
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you document it, it's easier for people to remember. So yeah,
Jim says, yeah. But Ryan did save his drum set.
Actually it was in the back of the truck. He
had played a gig the night before, got up in
the morning, checked the weather, and him being an outdoor
person and understanding whether he looked at it and told
his wife he says, throw everything in your car. We're
(35:44):
leaving in like twenty minutes, said, what do you mean,
Just this storm has changed direction, it's heading this direction,
it's heading our way. So he already had the drums
in the back of his truck and they threw everything in.
Think of it once again, because we do this all
the time in South Louisiana. We're gonna, in fact, you
eight for a couple of days. We'll go up north
to North Louisiana. We'll visit mom and dad, and then
(36:05):
we'll come back. Well, they came up. There was no
going back. They had ten feet water in the house
for two weeks. I was actually not there. I was
on a mountain in Alaska directing a shoot, a video
shoot about a hunt for doll sheep, and we had
(36:28):
no news at all and came out and we're getting
flown out. I'm waiting by this airstrip in Alaska. This
gold miner who lived nearby came out. We're talking and
he said, where are you from. I said, I'm from Louisiana.
He said, oh, they just had a big storm there.
You know, parts of New Orleans flooded. I said, oh, yeah,
you know wherever it rains there, the streets flood there.
(36:49):
He says, no, Now, they had like a real flood.
So Okay, got back into Fairbanks and called home and
I said, yeah, New Orleans is flooded. We've got twelve
people in the house here refuse geez. You know when
you get down there, you know that's what you're going
to find. And so that was the deal. There you go,
some of those stories, you swap them around and you've
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got the stories. I've got the stories. To me, that's
what these old guns are about. And they don't have
to be old like antique guns. They just be guns
that have been in the family. I have the first
gun that I owned and still own. He belonged to
my grandfather, Tom Ryan. There you go. I was named
(37:36):
after him. Ryan was named after him, Dr Thomas Ryan,
and it was to know the little Browning twenty two
Semiauto with the bottom e jecks to take down rifle.
I was probably about as tall as that thing was
when I got it, and Dad wouldn't let me shoot
it for many years because I was way too young
for that. But it's very cool that my granddad, who
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I was named after, gave it to and we're going
I still have that twenty two. Never was able to
shoot it well, sights are so low on it or
something about the way I fit it. I can never
get really down hard on the sites. But it's a
cool gun. I'll always keep it. And then, actually, as
I'm thinking about right now, it's probably time for me
(38:18):
to think about passing that along too. No point me
holding on to it. I'm not shooting it. So there
you go. That one's going to get passed along as well.
And now that I have grandkids, well the options opened
up quite a bit. What are you going to do here?
And I have two of well, two granddaughters who both
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shoot from the left side on long guns because they
are left eye dominant the way I am, the way
Ryan is the way his sister is, right handed and
left eye dominant. There we go. But you know what,
if you identify that early on, you switch them over
to the left shoulder, they can still shoot handguns right handed,
shoot long guns left handed. It all works out just fine.
(39:03):
As we head toward Father's Day, if you got a
story about your dad and guns and shooting, by all means,
give me a shout. Let's share it now. Eight six
six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. I'm Tom Brasham.
Check us out on gun talk dot com. Be right back,
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all right, right now will be a good time for
you to call. If you want to be part of
the after show, give me a shout at Tom Talkgun.
We're gonna be talking on the f show a bit
about this shooting last night in Toledo. Twelve people were
shot at a festival where who knows what happened. We'll
get more details on that pretty terrible situation. We really
(39:46):
don't know exactly what happened yet, and the police are
being a little bit close mouthed on it, trying to
sort it out, no doubt, so we'll cover that. It's
just a reminder about being careful about where you go.
But sometimes you're a place where you wouldn't thought there
could be an issue. I go back to the whole Okay,
carrying a gun might have helped. What also might have
(40:07):
helped if you were there would be a stop the
bleep kit, If you had hemostatic gauze with you and
a tournique, you might have been able to help somebody,
somebody who you're with, maybe yourself or maybe even a stranger.
So just just food for thought there. Okay, let's say
let's go grab David in Las Vegas on five. David,
I got about two minutes for you, so let's get
(40:28):
into it please.
Speaker 11 (40:30):
Yeah, I'll be real quick. I agree with what you
said that if you want to pass a gun on somebody,
do it because literally or literally, this is fifty years
ago when I was twenty years old. I had an
old man I was a friend with, and in front
of his wife, he said, hey, he said his wife,
is something happened to me? I want David had this gun.
So yeah, A year orfore later, ends up dying, and
(40:50):
then I ended up passing on that story onto his son,
and then his son asks his mom, and his mom goes,
I don't remember that, so it maybe look like like
a jerk, like if I made it up because because
the man died and I wanted the gun. So I'm
sorry to I agree. If you want to give a
gun to somebody, you know why they're alive. Just because
somebody has a will doesn't don't guarantee they're going to
get the gun or they don't have a will, you
(41:12):
know what I'm saying, So give it to the person
while they're alive, you know, give it to the person
where they're alive.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Yeah, good point, Dave. I appreciate that. Yeah. And the
other part of it is if just telling somebody your family, Well,
I want to make sure that you know, David gets
this gun after I die. If it's not in the will,
there's no telling what's going to happen people. I mean,
I have any number of stories people have told me.
After a death in the family, other family members come
(41:41):
in and immediately ransack the gun safe or the gun
shelves or whatever. They just disappear all of a sudden,
you know, the next day or two, the guns are
not there because everybody's there, you know, with the greeting
widow and helping out the family and helping themselves. So
(42:04):
just if you don't want some disaster like that happening,
spell it out, put it in your will. With this
gun goes to so and so or as we say,
even better take care of it. Now, that's the fun
of it. Hey, let's go out to the rain shoot
these guns. And then when you're done, you say, oh,
(42:24):
you like that gun. Huh, I'll tell you what's yours?
What do you mean, No, No, it's yours. I'm giving
it to you right now. Well that would be cool,
wouldn't it. What a great thing to do, have the
experience of shooting together and then giving the gun to somebody.
I mean, look, if you're you know, middle aged, young
middle aged, don't sweat this. But if you're not, and
(42:48):
you got these guns and you're thinking about doing something
with them, well just saying that, that's what I would do.
That's what I have in fact been doing, and we're
making sure that's particularly. Some of the guns that belong
to my dad are already handed down to Ryan and
members of the family, and now we're going to start
working with I've got my mom's gun, her rifle in
(43:09):
two fifty seven Roberts, and we got to get that
to one of the grandkids, just simple as that, just
because it's a cool rifle. We'll make that happen, all right,
So this is what's going on around here. We got
a brand new cartridge and brand new technology, exciting stuff.
Join us for the after show. Give me a call
right now, Eat six to six Talk Gun. We'll get
you in here. Be sure to check out the after show.
(43:31):
It's available with the rest of the show wherever you
can find your podcast, so if you miss the show,
you can catch them all right there. In the meantime,
get out to the range, do some shooting, take some
family members, and maybe even surprise them by giving them
that gun that they like so much. They'll appreciate it
and they will always remember you.
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