May 31, 2026 • 33 mins
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-- Paranoia or preparedness? Many people choose to ignore risks while others prepare to face and deal with problems. Why do so many avoid safety measures?
-- Do you need concealed carry insurance, and what company is best?
-- Blood, boats, and bullets. Growing up in a rural setting.
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-- Paranoia or preparedness? Many people choose to ignore risks while others prepare to face and deal with problems. Why do so many avoid safety measures?
-- Do you need concealed carry insurance, and what company is best?
-- Blood, boats, and bullets. Growing up in a rural setting.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
So you've made it through three hours of the regular
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
So that's why you found.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
The Gun Talk After Show podcast where we saved all
the best things.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
That we can't say on regular radio. Now there's Tom,
Michelle and Jim for the Gun Talk after Show.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
All right, it is time for the after show. We're
talking about Well guess what guns? Still? You never stop
ser Yeah, jeez. Well I would say I'm a one
trick pony, but I'm not much of a pony, So
there you go. It's just I'm just I got one trick.
I got this thing. So it's Michelle and Jim and
Meryl is joining us right now. Merril, you have been
(00:57):
home hole for a long time. I really appreciate at
your patients.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Welcome, Thank you, love your show. Well my first question
is I've been meaning to ask for a couple of
weeks or the more. What is this insurance gun owner insurance?
(01:22):
I talked to you a long time ago. And at
any rate, U s c c A is advertising in
my area now a lot, which I've never short of
meeting a representative about five years ago. I haven't heard
from them, but I came up came to my mind
that that's who you had mentioned. It was really good
five years ago. Who's this now?
Speaker 4 (01:42):
You know, I don't know who's best. C CW Safe
is very good. Uh U s c c A of
course is. I mean they're an organization, but they're basically
an insurance company. Really, uh U s c C A
and I do a lot of things, but that's how
they got started, and so they do. You know, I
think they do good work as well. But don't overlook
(02:05):
c c c W Safe. I would take a look
at them and maybe compare the two, and then I
don't think you're going to go wrong either way. C
c W Safe, Yes, c c W Safe, s A
f E.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Gotcha, gotcha. That's that's what I wrote down. Okay, I'll
check that out, thank you. And about the taxing, uh
I've forgotten the name of the bill you.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Said, but oh yeah, Pittman Robertson Act, which has an
excise tax on guns and.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
M O, yes, yes, Well if we quit paying that tax,
I think that they will say, you don't have any
skin in this game, so we will take away all
your all your rights about whether it's hunting or protecting
you know, whatever you're we're using it for protecting the game. Uh,
will take away all your rights. And then the next
step is, you know, we could be Cuba, Venezuela, UK,
(02:59):
We'll just say who are your guns? So Australia bad idea,
bad idea?
Speaker 4 (03:03):
I think.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
I don't know. I mean, it's al much better to
pay the tax and not have them have that entree,
that entrance into their thoughts of taking away any right.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yeah, you know, I'm just thinking about and I twist
this thing around in my head. I'm thinking about it. Okay,
if it's a if it's eleven percent tax we're paying
right now on guns and we've been paying for one
hundred years, how much are people going to notice if
it suddenly went away in terms of what you're paying
on guns and ambo if you say, okay, you just
(03:37):
got to call it tempercent, you've got a ten percent
discount on everything. Is that going to have a big
impact on people?
Speaker 5 (03:44):
It will have no impact. It will have absolutely no impact.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And I have said, so what, I highly doubt that
any of the industry people are going to say, oh, well,
here's ten percent extra.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
They're just going to keep their prices the same.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Oh that's a good point.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
They could just I mean, they're used to that eleven
percent and eleven percent of us, you know, and one
hundred dollars and eleven dollars. But you know, when when
you're multiplying that over countless you know, countless sales, it
ends up being a lot of money to them.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
So it's.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Yeah, yeah, it's about five million dollars a day.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Oh you're kidding.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Yeah, yeah, it's no, it's a million. It's a billion
and a half. One and a half billion dollars a
year goes into Pittman Robertson. And so we could do
a lot of good with that. And I fully appreciate
that people say, well, it's a tax on guns, and
that's you know, you shouldn't have a tax on Secondmendment.
I did. I understand that, and and I understand I
(04:48):
am being very inconsistent on this, and I take I
take turns hating the other half of myself.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
So but you know what I mean, I just think
what we have. I'm tired of seeing things being taken away,
and I think that they will have. I mean, look
at look at all the machinations that go on in Washington. Uh,
you know, I can see them. I mean, we have
two dogs right now. They're you know, Lucy and Virginia
(05:17):
and Snuggles in Arizona. That just because just because of
no fault of the owners, really they're they're on kind
of like on death row, and they so unintended consequences
is what I'm saying. Unintended consequences.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Uh, exactly right. I mean I think this one maybe
a case where we could cut off our nose despite
our face.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Well, I think so. I mean I think so unfortunately,
you know, I mean I understand the Second Amendment and
all that stuff, but man, oh man, I can see
all this, I mean, all the problems we've gone through
in the last since twenty sixteen. I can see them
taking that ball and running with it. And and just
what else can we take away from these freedom loving
(06:04):
people because we need control and and and we're saying no, no, no,
But if we give them that, you know, give them
that that aunt Trey. We give them that foot in
the door, you know, and they're telling a well to
go with it. But that's just my kind of devil's
advocate about it.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
You go, MARYL. I'm with you there you go, girl.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I think I.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Love love your show. I love your show.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
And and I'm glad you mentioned glad you mentioned about
the range Ready studios. I need to I've got I've
had my consilt. Well, I had my Cantil carry and
I just looked at it and it expired a year ago.
I don't I don't care actively. Yeah, I know, I
don't carry actively because I don't have a purse that
you know, my little glock, my big glock would fit
in very well. And I'll get I'll re up it,
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you know. And and I have a good teacher in
around the Little Rock area. But I need to do something,
you know, a bit bigger better than so your arrange
Red studios. Thank you very much for mentioning that I don't.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
You'll have you'll have fun down there. It's it's it's
not that far for you from Little Rock just to
day's drive down there. You'll have fun.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
No, I need to do that, so so thank you
very much. I love your show and God bless you
and I'll keep listening.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I appreciate the call. That's great. Yeah, it's like I
said that. The problem right now, I think, and the
reason people are all of a sudden talking about the
excise tax is because California has decided to put an
excise tax on guns. They say, well, the Feds do it,
we can do it.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
It's not an excise tax though, right, it's a penalty tax.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
It's a penalty, but they do they put it. Yeah,
it's a penalty tax. Huh. And their idea is, let's
just tax the amount of existence. And so you watch
that go up.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
So well, I'm sure, let's spend the money to, you know,
help pro gun people in California.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Well, so you look at the numbers of how many
gun owners there are, and then you make this decision, right,
because how much money is there.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
There's a lot.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
There is a lot in fighting it. And this is
where it gets sticky. I don't know if you go
in and say you can't do that as a state,
but we can do it as the Feds, ye, or
if you come in and say, okay, nobody can do
that because it violates the Second Amendment. So we've got
to get rid of the FED tax to prevent California
(08:27):
and other states passing their own taxes. So I don't
know where this is going to go. We're in a
different kind of a place right now.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Is there a difference because it was an act of
Congress versus just a governor of a state.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
I don't think so, because I don't think if, for instance,
the court said, okay, that's a violation of the Second Amendment,
well Congress can't do that either, okay, any more than
a state can. So I don't know, and I know
it's all going to get as everything else does. Everything's
gonna get challenged in court because the lawyers make the money,
(09:03):
no matter what. So I don't know. We'll watch it,
but it just it came up for conversation and I
mentioned it over on X and you it would have
thought I had tossed, you know, poop in the punch bowl.
It was like people just losing their minds over.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
This, which which way I get?
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I guess, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, hey, hey, it's
not that now. They were, you know, complaining about the
tax we shouldn't taxes, you know, and I am. Of course,
they said aggression. You are anti Second Amendment if you
don't feel this way, and I mean it was it
got nasty, ugly with name calling and me having to
(09:46):
block a few people because.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
They did they realize it's been there for almost one
hundred years.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yes they have, well some did, some don't, some don't
believe anything.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
And we don't pay the manufacturers pay it, but I
mean eventually we do pay for it.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
But yeah, I'm just going to say, because ye, corporations
don't pay for don't pay any taxes, they just pass
them along. Really, and Larry, he kept going to say, well,
you know it's the consumers don't pay this. I'm thinking, Larry,
yeah they do. It's it's all built in. It's it's
you know, it's part of the and he said where
it's like like the electric bill, you know what, we're
paying the electric bill too, but that's just not a
(10:24):
government tax. So that's just part of the deal. But yes,
we are paying all of the expenses the gun companies
have because they build that into each gun, right, And
I'm not complaining. That's just kind of how the world works.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
And what you were saying, Michelle about well, you know
that if they just kept the keep the prices high,
if we get.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
Rid of the Pittman Robinson at.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
Capitalism, would you know, they may for a while, but
manufacturer going to say, well, we can knock ten percent
off and get this competitor on the run, and you know,
we'll sell more of our guns by dropping that.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
So eventually it would go away.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Too, potentially. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I see a lot of greed out there in corporate America,
so I don't know. Well, what, no, sorry, groceries are high.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
You think they're going to miraculously come down?
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Right? Yeah? Yeah? Have you eaten added a restaurant recently?
Oh wowully?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, yeah wowie right, but it's.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Like we'll have two burgers and you won't have anything
left from a fifty dollars bill.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
The problem, the problem with some of this is and
you are right, as a Hunter's education instructor that is
paid for through that money provided to the state to
get young people licensed and safe out there, right, But
part of the problem would be we have ducks On
(11:41):
Limited and Rocky Mountain Ook Foundation and all these different
chapters that are both local feeding the national chapter. Those
numbers are dwindling, So even some of the support in
that way like, oh, well, we can use these other people,
but people.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Don't not today exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
So you know, if your state outlaws things or people
don't go to their brick and mortar stores and support them,
your ranges are going to go away.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Eventually. The only thing that you could potentially have are.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
These public ranges that are put out there with money
from the Bittman Robinson Act.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
And I continue to be amazed at how a lot
of people don't seem to understand the need to preserve
and expand the culture of legal, responsible gun ownership because
the culture will determine what the laws are in the future.
And by what you just said, Michelle, with hundred safety programs,
(12:42):
you putting millions of young people through this, teaching them
about certainly about conservation and wildlife, but also about gun
safety and have an appreciation for guns. So you're putting
more people into the population, knowledgeable people. If that goes
away way, you lose that feeder system into the culture,
(13:04):
and eventually, and that's the long game, is eventually the
culture changes, and then when the culture changes, the population
will vote in those changes. And you're going what happened. Well,
what happened was you have nobody buying guns because you
got rid of the feeder program.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
And let me tell you, as an instructor, there are
a lot of moms that sit in the class and
I always say, you're here. If you don't already have
your honting license, you might as well take the test
because you're sitting there listening to all of this information.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Just register and take the test.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
You just learned it all. Might as well take the
tests and get the license. And if they buy the license,
then that money goes into the game in the wildlife
program exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
And the amount of information over the years that these
small kids have to absorb in a matter of days, hours,
however people put their classes out there, is amazing.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
It has expanded a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
It's not just the simple you know, make sure you're
wearing your harness before you go into tree stand.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Oh no, there's far more to it than that.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
There's all the different lines that you have to learn,
and it.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Is very in depth. So you know it has it
has grown.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
They're they're teaching more, demanding more from the students, so
you know, the information is useful. And if nobody has
an idea in the family of what to teach. This
is a great starting point.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
And you're teaching guns safety.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Yes, it's part of this.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yes, you're teaching how to cross a ditch and how
to climb over a fence safely, and you know, all
these different things to do, and it is always built
on the four principles that you opened the show with.
You know, there are four principles of gun safety, and
this is how we're going to use them in every aspect.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
This is how what we're doing. This is. Yes, yeah,
you teach the same four rules and you use them
in everything you do with guns, whether it's hunting or
competition or self defense or whatever. It is.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yep, yep, everything.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And you know, i'd like to say too, we talk
about like wearing eye protection and how important that is, but.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Wearing eye protection.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
With cleaning, with any kind of you know, gunsmithing that
you might be doing changing out springs. I don't care
what it is, but that is so critical in our
environment to make sure you're always wearing glasses because.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
Gun springs are things I always find, like under my couch,
you know, there they.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Go and all of a sudden, it's just the hitch
in the eye. And also like if you use an
aerosol sprays or anything like that, it's sprays back and
that stuff is nasty. So yeah, you know, and look,
protective glasses are cheap, dirt cheap. Yes, I mean you
can go to Sam's or Costco or Walmart and pick
up a pack of six of them for twenty.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
Bucks, right, right, yes, right.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Just just get them and keep a bunch of them
around it and when they get scratched, throw them away
and got something else.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
I see how the gun safety thing has changed me
over twenty five years. Here is now it's not just
for shooting. I mean, I'm wearing hearing protection and I
protection for gardening. Right, you know I look like a dork, amen, Yes,
I do.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Well.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I know plenty of people that put muffs on their
kids when they're running a vacuum. Like, hey, you know
all of that is yes, yeah, high decibels for an
extended period of time.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Yeah, And if we move to Oregon about a year,
we don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
We don't have to buy more fishing hooks or lures
or raising any cattle. But idiots, you also won't have
anything to eat right right, Well, just won't be raised
in the state.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Don't put all the local farmers out of business? Right sure?
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Yeah? What idiots?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
God talk about one of them to vote to get out.
I mean there is a substantial movement in Oregon and
in Washington to break away and join with Idaho.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
And who can blame them, right, well except.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
The people in Idaho we can blame. We don't want
them there, you go.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
Yeah, Well, like Ohio got the short end of the
stick years ago when we ended up getting Toledo and Michigan.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Got the up. What a lousy deal for Ohio. All
the ups gorgeous. Come on, some.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Of us are still mad about the hall Louisia to
purchase things, you know, Thomas Jeffers, So what can I
tell you? God, you guys think about that. We'll be
right back. Put all your gear on the chiciry and
then roll around on the ground. Now, get up all
your gear that's on the ground. That's what you're not
(17:47):
going to have in a fight.
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Speaker 2 (17:53):
You know, if it's like C four, it's almost like
a smack hunting yeah, we talk about that too.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
On your crosshairs. I like a thin crosshair.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
And you're really dating yourself by calling things cross hairs.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
You're redical.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Have some fun and stay informed with the gun Talk podcast.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Somebody say croak, did you croak? Yeah? We called a
burlap sack a croaker sack when I.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Was growing frogs.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Uh, that's right. That's what you throw your frogs in,
the crokers, the old croaker sack. I mean, if you
said burlap sack, people wouldn't even know what you're talking about.
Couldn't get a oh yeah, no, it's a croaker sack.
And now in Louisiana, Michel, we were not the law
there was you couldn't puncture the skin getting frogs. Oh
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so you couldn't gig them.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
You good old boys.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
We had to slip up on them and grab them.
They had there was had a kind of a grabber,
spring powered grabber you could use. But we would just
lean over the front of the boat. The guy in
the back would ease us up at night using the headlamp.
Shine it on.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
There.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
He he's up and he's grabbing with your hand. You
get this great, big old bullfrog and then you bring
it back and he's wiggling around. You shut him down,
and of course about you know, every once in a while,
at least once a night, you'd slip up on this
because you just see the eyes of this frog sitting
on a log. He get up real close to it,
and you realize it's a watermarkas oh, no, baby, and
all of a sudden there's you're not in the front
(19:28):
of the boat. Now you're in the back of the boat,
sitting on the lap of the guy back.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
There, praying it didn't make it into your croakers.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
Yeah, some some rejoined there. Aggression that was smooth like that.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Here, I'm just picturing mud being slung everywhere trying to
chase these frogs.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
We were in these you know, the flat bottom John
boat and you got these kids, and all of us leaked,
and so you would, you know, they'd leak, and we
just let him leak until it got up somewhere about
mid ankle in the waters around your ankle bailing and
then or you know what you can if you run
your boat with some speed, you can pull the drain
plug out and it'll all darrow run out the back
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end while you're running.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Just the one thing you got to remember, and you.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Got to plug it back in or and this is
before we had sea walls. We would just go pull
it up on a neighbor's yard somewhere and turn the
boat over, pour the botter out, and get back in
and we were good for another twenty or thirty minutes
a frog and before it's filled up with water again.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
It's great.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
There's a high quality boat. Let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Oh yeah, well, I mean when you have grushing boys
out there shooting whatever.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
There's no telling. Yeah, where did all those holes come from?
I have no idea, Dad, I don't know. Honestly, I
had no idea that.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Don't do any blistering testing. Okay that yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I guess I shouldn't just blame it on the boys.
There's some girls out there doing the same type of thing.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
So well, my sister was, and I'm not making as up.
She really was like the local beauty queen. She's four
years older and she rus a beauty. And what she
would do is she loved the boats, So Michelle, you
love this. She would wash her hair and then she'd
go down and get in a boat and run the
boat as a way of drying her hair.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Speed.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I guarantee that's a good speed. And you're getting all
the attention from all the boys.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
Oh yeah, and I'm gonna I'm gonna save your budd here, Tom,
because she listens to the show.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
She not only was a beauty, she is.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
There is that that's true and now recovering from replacement
surgery right now, just had that last week.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
That'll be five six months.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Oh well, you know, it depends our buddy Mike, who
you know. I think he's one month into his knee
replacement and we were out in a boat a two
days ago last throwing a part of a floating dock
that got loose from somebody. We got that and pulled
it back in and he's out walking around. But you know,
(21:57):
so it's different for yeah, yeah, that's the quick recovery.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah sure, yeah, absolutely. They say it's they say it's
a tough one.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Well, he has the motivation though, because you know, in
September he plans to be up and down those mountains
chasing and with his sharp stick what he likes to
do sick. Yeah, he likes to fling that shark stick
as a bow man. Yes, you'll shoot him with a
rifle too, but he loves that early season, September bugling season.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
We get to bowl hunting because usually should be arrow hunting.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Well, it's interesting in archery, bow hunting whatever. Of course,
you know I used to shoot everything with a bow.
Well I've told the story about shooting that nutrient, pulling
that in. But we'd shoot fish trying to remember think
I killed the Yeah, killed flying birds with bow. We
went out and hunted crows, calling him in and try
(22:53):
to shoot him out of the air. With bows. Of course,
you lose your arrows. So we got to where we
would make our own arrows, buying the cedar shafts, you know,
and then put the fletching on them. And the points
were too expensive, so we would use thirty eight special
brass and make flunt blunts. And then we got to
wear Why even paint the arrows because we're just going
to fling them and they're gonna be lost. So we
(23:15):
would just shoot the bear cedar shafts. But I mean
that's how I grew up. It's just doing that kind
of stuff all the time.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
Wadcutter arrows.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Oh yeah, they make good blunts. It's perfect. It's just
about the right size for a cedar shaft and just
a little you know, bit of glue on the end
would hold them on.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Stun a rabbit and go and get it.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, you bet, don't you tie the line
on them?
Speaker 6 (23:36):
And when you're fishing stuff.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
When you're fishing, you do. But when you're fishing you're
using a solid fiberglass arrow, very heavy arrow. Oh okay,
because it's got to penetrate through the water. If they
don't have that, it won't do that. So huh so, yeah,
there wouldn't much. We wouldn't at least try to shoot.
You know. It's like a bunch of boys out with
their bows and arrows. Is nothing safe.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
I'm sure you're the first boys at every do anything
like that.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Yeah, really, no kidding.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Maybe the thirty eight special though, that sense that works.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
It's liquor and I'll get out. I'm telling you that
it is great. And then you put the fletching on.
Oh this is if you ever.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Heard of a flue flu arrow, yep, I have.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Okay, I figured. You know, you got big old fletching
on it and you shoot it at a bird and
then it has so much air resistance that you know,
it slows down quickly and it falls straight down to
the ground. So we were going to make our own
flue flu arrows. And this coincided with when the very
first compound bows came out. So I had this flue
flu era I'd made with all these big fletchings. We
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didn't trim them or anything, but you had these cables
on the bow, and when I shot that thing in
the air, the cables on the compound bow stripped the
feathers off. It looked like a bird had exploded right
in the middle of the bow went off. It just,
I mean, fletching went everywhere. I had no idea what.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Had happened, right, And who knows where the arrow is?
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Oh yeah, I don't know who's gone. It may still
be orbiting the Earth.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
It may have landed by now.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
But yeah, the starlinks the satellites.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yeah. All mom wanted to know is, you know, do
I have to take you to the hospital or can
we treat it here? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Chrome, which one was it?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Well?
Speaker 4 (25:22):
That that's the mom's was hydrogen peroxide?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Each mom has their own thing.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Right yep iodine? Oh yeah, pour that.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Hydrogen peroxide on it and it would bubble up. Uh huh,
because we were always stepping on stuff in the nasty
old river out there and cutting our feet.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Best cleaner ever. We still use it, do you. Yep,
it's great for cleaning wounds. Okay, it doesn't feel great,
but it's great.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
We just got you know, our whole dea was we
had a bathroom that was only like two steps from
the back door, so you only left two bloody footprints
coming in. And then you get in the shower and
you use the hydrogen peroxide or over the toilet, and
then go back outside and go do it all over again.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Oh yeah, get to freshture put in.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
That's right. I don't know why we didn't all die.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Well, that's why we're as strong as we are. Tom.
You may be right, it's like Tom's.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Bleeding, okay, but how bad do we need a tourniquit
or just a it's just regular blood.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Don't worry about it into the family triage, okay.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
And Michell, being the mother of boys, understands. There were
times when we would come to the back door and
I'm would just look at and say, strip yep, just everything,
take off everything. Ye know, you're not coming in with
any of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
You know what makes you think I don't do that
to my husband's stuff. Those boots and those pants are
not coming in my house.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I thought we were going in a different direction that
we couldn't go here.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Okay, yeah no, because we just we're surrounded by tear
will clay where we are.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
It's either sand or clay.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Oh no, it's stained. Yeah, that stuff's terrible.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
It's not coming in my house.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
No, sir, right here, just right there. I don't care.
But but no, no, no, no, no, there's no button.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
No just no, no, it's not even up for no,
not up, not up for conversation.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
You can wear your underwear in, but that's it. No socks,
no boots, no pants.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
How bad you fell in, how wet it was?
Speaker 4 (27:28):
That's true if you fell in really deep, it's like
it's all coming off.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Those can be thrown away, we'll buy farm.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
And then yeah, there's the other categories like okay, can
we clean it or do we need to burn it?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Right? Oh my, that's so true.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Then you remember who is that Johnny Stewart made a
varmit call, and I go so far back that it
was actually a record player a battery powered record players
playing forty fives with a metal horn and use that
with the rabbit squeals and all that. Well, of course
Dad got all this stuff for his writing, and we
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got that in and my brother and I were probably
twelve and fourteen, and we thought that was the coolest
thing because it's got that rabbit. And so we would
take that and get right behind the bushes of our
house and turn that on really loud, and then we
would be above the bushes and nobody could see that.
And then we'd take a stick and we're beating the
(28:31):
ground and like we're beating some dog or cat or something.
Just silly boys being silly out there. Cars would slow
down trying to find out what's going on there, calling Mary, Mary,
what are your boys doing? Okay, he says, oh.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
God, I could just see that happening outside of the
kitchen window as mom's cooking, or.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Of course, yes, like what are you boys doing?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Oh man, Lord.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
It wasn't a bad way to grow well, it wasn't
for me. I'm sure it was tough with my parents.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I just picture the old PBS type movies going on
in my mind.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
When you talk.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
About your childhood and all these farrel boys.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Oh, I thought you it's a crime show and they're
showing his background with let up to everything.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
Oh no, no, before Tom snapped you.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
So we had a little hill behind the house going
down to the lake and we had a big tractor
interviewe that would use in the lake and float on. Right.
It's fun. You could put like, I don't know, six
or eight kids on this intertube. And then we figured
out if you took the big intertube tractor tire interview
back up the hill, you could get inside of it
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and have your buddies start rolling it down and it's
going down the hill and you're going over and over
and over until eventually you go flying out of this
thing and going through the air and flipping around in
the air and come down on your head. And then
I want to go do it again.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I've done that, But.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
You've done that.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Of course it's not just boys.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
See no, no, no, no, see I knew I like it.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
There's some ground into these wounds and for me also,
so I get it.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Yeah, my sister did that too. So yeah, the beauty
queen flying through the air in the entertainer.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
So yeah, you know you have to chake that ponytail up.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Oh goodness, oh god, it's true. So one last story
is small town on the river there, growing up. So
I go into town one day in the boat, because
that's how I got to town. Just go down and
get in the boat behind the house and marn it
a half mile into town, tie it up, and then
from there you're right next to the movie theater or
the barber shop or wherever. It's all right there on
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the water. And so I went in. I was probably
I don't know, nine or ten. And I come back
and the boat is tied up there, and there is
a cake box there, the cake sitting on the seat
of the boat with a note that says, please take
this to your mom. That's all it was. It's just
(31:08):
like some lady had left a cake there that she
wanted to send a mom. But she saw my boat
there and she knew whose boat it was, so she
just put it in the boat so I could take
it back home.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
I love it. I love it. Oh my gosh, good times.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, that would not happen today.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
No, probably not. No, that's okay. It's you know, and
in some places it would. In some places you can
get away from the towns we get rural, you can
do stuff like that. Still.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yeah, yeah, so there you go.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Anyway, that's just kind of fun stuff. It's silly stuff
growing up. I did grow up on the water, that
was for sure. It was like every single day we
would go. I think at one point we had five
boats behind the house, and I think it was one
of them didn't leak, so that was good.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
So what was what was big of the living room
or the mudroom?
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Oh, the mudroom was the carport. It was just like, okay,
you're you're shielded from this the road so they can't
see you. So yeah, this is where you're going to
strip and get into the house. But I mean, we
were forever dirty.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
Thank you. You didn't have ring cameras back there.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Oh god, yes, that would have been not good for sure.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Well that's partly. White kids don't have these experiences nowadays. Two, well,
you're right, you know.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
And the other thing, of course, is that every adult
in the area had carte blanche to spank any of
the kids.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
Yep, the good old days.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Yes, indeed. So it's like you're gonna get spanking there
and then when you get home they will already have
heard about it by the time you get home, and
then you get spanking when you get back home. So yep,
there's that being raised by a village, you know. With
apologies to Hillary Clinton, but there you go. Lord, all right,
(33:00):
have a wonderful week. Next week, tease it one more time.
There is a pretty nifty announcement of a pretty nifty
new product coming out.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
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Speaker 5 (33:14):
Oh shoot shoot juice.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Right with the super reduced loads that go twelve feet
per second.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Twelve feet per second.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Try to go shoot your toe off because that's as
far as it can go.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
All right, guys, have good week, you.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
That we can't say on regular radio. Now there's Tom,
Michelle and Jim for the Gun Talk after Show.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
All right, it is time for the after show. We're
talking about Well guess what guns? Still? You never stop
ser Yeah, jeez. Well I would say I'm a one
trick pony, but I'm not much of a pony, So
there you go. It's just I'm just I got one trick.
I got this thing. So it's Michelle and Jim and
Meryl is joining us right now. Merril, you have been
(00:57):
home hole for a long time. I really appreciate at
your patients.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Welcome, Thank you, love your show. Well my first question
is I've been meaning to ask for a couple of
weeks or the more. What is this insurance gun owner insurance?
(01:22):
I talked to you a long time ago. And at
any rate, U s c c A is advertising in
my area now a lot, which I've never short of
meeting a representative about five years ago. I haven't heard
from them, but I came up came to my mind
that that's who you had mentioned. It was really good
five years ago. Who's this now?
Speaker 4 (01:42):
You know, I don't know who's best. C CW Safe
is very good. Uh U s c c A of
course is. I mean they're an organization, but they're basically
an insurance company. Really, uh U s c C A
and I do a lot of things, but that's how
they got started, and so they do. You know, I
think they do good work as well. But don't overlook
(02:05):
c c c W Safe. I would take a look
at them and maybe compare the two, and then I
don't think you're going to go wrong either way. C
c W Safe, Yes, c c W Safe, s A
f E.
Speaker 5 (02:18):
Gotcha, gotcha. That's that's what I wrote down. Okay, I'll
check that out, thank you. And about the taxing, uh
I've forgotten the name of the bill you.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Said, but oh yeah, Pittman Robertson Act, which has an
excise tax on guns and.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
M O, yes, yes, Well if we quit paying that tax,
I think that they will say, you don't have any
skin in this game, so we will take away all
your all your rights about whether it's hunting or protecting
you know, whatever you're we're using it for protecting the game. Uh,
will take away all your rights. And then the next
step is, you know, we could be Cuba, Venezuela, UK,
(02:59):
We'll just say who are your guns? So Australia bad idea,
bad idea?
Speaker 4 (03:03):
I think.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
I don't know. I mean, it's al much better to
pay the tax and not have them have that entree,
that entrance into their thoughts of taking away any right.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yeah, you know, I'm just thinking about and I twist
this thing around in my head. I'm thinking about it. Okay,
if it's a if it's eleven percent tax we're paying
right now on guns and we've been paying for one
hundred years, how much are people going to notice if
it suddenly went away in terms of what you're paying
on guns and ambo if you say, okay, you just
(03:37):
got to call it tempercent, you've got a ten percent
discount on everything. Is that going to have a big
impact on people?
Speaker 5 (03:44):
It will have no impact. It will have absolutely no impact.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
And I have said, so what, I highly doubt that
any of the industry people are going to say, oh, well,
here's ten percent extra.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
They're just going to keep their prices the same.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Oh that's a good point.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
They could just I mean, they're used to that eleven
percent and eleven percent of us, you know, and one
hundred dollars and eleven dollars. But you know, when when
you're multiplying that over countless you know, countless sales, it
ends up being a lot of money to them.
Speaker 6 (04:17):
So it's.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Yeah, yeah, it's about five million dollars a day.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Oh you're kidding.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Yeah, yeah, it's no, it's a million. It's a billion
and a half. One and a half billion dollars a
year goes into Pittman Robertson. And so we could do
a lot of good with that. And I fully appreciate
that people say, well, it's a tax on guns, and
that's you know, you shouldn't have a tax on Secondmendment.
I did. I understand that, and and I understand I
(04:48):
am being very inconsistent on this, and I take I
take turns hating the other half of myself.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
So but you know what I mean, I just think
what we have. I'm tired of seeing things being taken away,
and I think that they will have. I mean, look
at look at all the machinations that go on in Washington. Uh,
you know, I can see them. I mean, we have
two dogs right now. They're you know, Lucy and Virginia
(05:17):
and Snuggles in Arizona. That just because just because of
no fault of the owners, really they're they're on kind
of like on death row, and they so unintended consequences
is what I'm saying. Unintended consequences.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Uh, exactly right. I mean I think this one maybe
a case where we could cut off our nose despite
our face.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Well, I think so. I mean I think so unfortunately,
you know, I mean I understand the Second Amendment and
all that stuff, but man, oh man, I can see
all this, I mean, all the problems we've gone through
in the last since twenty sixteen. I can see them
taking that ball and running with it. And and just
what else can we take away from these freedom loving
(06:04):
people because we need control and and and we're saying no, no, no,
But if we give them that, you know, give them
that that aunt Trey. We give them that foot in
the door, you know, and they're telling a well to
go with it. But that's just my kind of devil's
advocate about it.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
You go, MARYL. I'm with you there you go, girl.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I think I.
Speaker 5 (06:25):
Love love your show. I love your show.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
And and I'm glad you mentioned glad you mentioned about
the range Ready studios. I need to I've got I've
had my consilt. Well, I had my Cantil carry and
I just looked at it and it expired a year ago.
I don't I don't care actively. Yeah, I know, I
don't carry actively because I don't have a purse that
you know, my little glock, my big glock would fit
in very well. And I'll get I'll re up it,
(06:51):
you know. And and I have a good teacher in
around the Little Rock area. But I need to do something,
you know, a bit bigger better than so your arrange
Red studios. Thank you very much for mentioning that I don't.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
You'll have you'll have fun down there. It's it's it's
not that far for you from Little Rock just to
day's drive down there. You'll have fun.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
No, I need to do that, so so thank you
very much. I love your show and God bless you
and I'll keep listening.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
I appreciate the call. That's great. Yeah, it's like I
said that. The problem right now, I think, and the
reason people are all of a sudden talking about the
excise tax is because California has decided to put an
excise tax on guns. They say, well, the Feds do it,
we can do it.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
It's not an excise tax though, right, it's a penalty tax.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
It's a penalty, but they do they put it. Yeah,
it's a penalty tax. Huh. And their idea is, let's
just tax the amount of existence. And so you watch
that go up.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
So well, I'm sure, let's spend the money to, you know,
help pro gun people in California.
Speaker 6 (07:51):
Come on.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Well, so you look at the numbers of how many
gun owners there are, and then you make this decision, right,
because how much money is there.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
There's a lot.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
There is a lot in fighting it. And this is
where it gets sticky. I don't know if you go
in and say you can't do that as a state,
but we can do it as the Feds, ye, or
if you come in and say, okay, nobody can do
that because it violates the Second Amendment. So we've got
to get rid of the FED tax to prevent California
(08:27):
and other states passing their own taxes. So I don't
know where this is going to go. We're in a
different kind of a place right now.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Is there a difference because it was an act of
Congress versus just a governor of a state.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
I don't think so, because I don't think if, for instance,
the court said, okay, that's a violation of the Second Amendment,
well Congress can't do that either, okay, any more than
a state can. So I don't know, and I know
it's all going to get as everything else does. Everything's
gonna get challenged in court because the lawyers make the money,
(09:03):
no matter what. So I don't know. We'll watch it,
but it just it came up for conversation and I
mentioned it over on X and you it would have
thought I had tossed, you know, poop in the punch bowl.
It was like people just losing their minds over.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
This, which which way I get?
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I guess, yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, hey, hey, it's
not that now. They were, you know, complaining about the
tax we shouldn't taxes, you know, and I am. Of course,
they said aggression. You are anti Second Amendment if you
don't feel this way, and I mean it was it
got nasty, ugly with name calling and me having to
(09:46):
block a few people because.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
They did they realize it's been there for almost one
hundred years.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yes they have, well some did, some don't, some don't
believe anything.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
And we don't pay the manufacturers pay it, but I
mean eventually we do pay for it.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
But yeah, I'm just going to say, because ye, corporations
don't pay for don't pay any taxes, they just pass
them along. Really, and Larry, he kept going to say, well,
you know it's the consumers don't pay this. I'm thinking, Larry,
yeah they do. It's it's all built in. It's it's
you know, it's part of the and he said where
it's like like the electric bill, you know what, we're
paying the electric bill too, but that's just not a
(10:24):
government tax. So that's just part of the deal. But yes,
we are paying all of the expenses the gun companies
have because they build that into each gun, right, And
I'm not complaining. That's just kind of how the world works.
Speaker 7 (10:35):
And what you were saying, Michelle about well, you know
that if they just kept the keep the prices high,
if we get.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
Rid of the Pittman Robinson at.
Speaker 7 (10:43):
Capitalism, would you know, they may for a while, but
manufacturer going to say, well, we can knock ten percent
off and get this competitor on the run, and you know,
we'll sell more of our guns by dropping that.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
So eventually it would go away.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Too, potentially. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
I see a lot of greed out there in corporate America,
so I don't know. Well, what, no, sorry, groceries are high.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
You think they're going to miraculously come down?
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Right? Yeah? Yeah? Have you eaten added a restaurant recently?
Oh wowully?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Yeah, yeah wowie right, but it's.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Like we'll have two burgers and you won't have anything
left from a fifty dollars bill.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
The problem, the problem with some of this is and
you are right, as a Hunter's education instructor that is
paid for through that money provided to the state to
get young people licensed and safe out there, right, But
part of the problem would be we have ducks On
(11:41):
Limited and Rocky Mountain Ook Foundation and all these different
chapters that are both local feeding the national chapter. Those
numbers are dwindling, So even some of the support in
that way like, oh, well, we can use these other people,
but people.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Don't not today exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
So you know, if your state outlaws things or people
don't go to their brick and mortar stores and support them,
your ranges are going to go away.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Eventually. The only thing that you could potentially have are.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
These public ranges that are put out there with money
from the Bittman Robinson Act.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
And I continue to be amazed at how a lot
of people don't seem to understand the need to preserve
and expand the culture of legal, responsible gun ownership because
the culture will determine what the laws are in the future.
And by what you just said, Michelle, with hundred safety programs,
(12:42):
you putting millions of young people through this, teaching them
about certainly about conservation and wildlife, but also about gun
safety and have an appreciation for guns. So you're putting
more people into the population, knowledgeable people. If that goes
away way, you lose that feeder system into the culture,
(13:04):
and eventually, and that's the long game, is eventually the
culture changes, and then when the culture changes, the population
will vote in those changes. And you're going what happened. Well,
what happened was you have nobody buying guns because you
got rid of the feeder program.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
And let me tell you, as an instructor, there are
a lot of moms that sit in the class and
I always say, you're here. If you don't already have
your honting license, you might as well take the test
because you're sitting there listening to all of this information.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Just register and take the test.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
You just learned it all. Might as well take the
tests and get the license. And if they buy the license,
then that money goes into the game in the wildlife
program exactly.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
And the amount of information over the years that these
small kids have to absorb in a matter of days, hours,
however people put their classes out there, is amazing.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
It has expanded a lot.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
It's not just the simple you know, make sure you're
wearing your harness before you go into tree stand.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Oh no, there's far more to it than that.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
There's all the different lines that you have to learn,
and it.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Is very in depth. So you know it has it
has grown.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
They're they're teaching more, demanding more from the students, so
you know, the information is useful. And if nobody has
an idea in the family of what to teach. This
is a great starting point.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
And you're teaching guns safety.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Yes, it's part of this.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yes, you're teaching how to cross a ditch and how
to climb over a fence safely, and you know, all
these different things to do, and it is always built
on the four principles that you opened the show with.
You know, there are four principles of gun safety, and
this is how we're going to use them in every aspect.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
This is how what we're doing. This is. Yes, yeah,
you teach the same four rules and you use them
in everything you do with guns, whether it's hunting or
competition or self defense or whatever. It is.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yep, yep, everything.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
And you know, i'd like to say too, we talk
about like wearing eye protection and how important that is, but.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Wearing eye protection.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
With cleaning, with any kind of you know, gunsmithing that
you might be doing changing out springs. I don't care
what it is, but that is so critical in our
environment to make sure you're always wearing glasses because.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
Gun springs are things I always find, like under my couch,
you know, there they.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Go and all of a sudden, it's just the hitch
in the eye. And also like if you use an
aerosol sprays or anything like that, it's sprays back and
that stuff is nasty. So yeah, you know, and look,
protective glasses are cheap, dirt cheap. Yes, I mean you
can go to Sam's or Costco or Walmart and pick
up a pack of six of them for twenty.
Speaker 6 (16:05):
Bucks, right, right, yes, right.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Just just get them and keep a bunch of them
around it and when they get scratched, throw them away
and got something else.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
That's right.
Speaker 7 (16:14):
I see how the gun safety thing has changed me
over twenty five years. Here is now it's not just
for shooting. I mean, I'm wearing hearing protection and I
protection for gardening. Right, you know I look like a dork, amen, Yes,
I do.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Well.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I know plenty of people that put muffs on their
kids when they're running a vacuum. Like, hey, you know
all of that is yes, yeah, high decibels for an
extended period of time.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
Yeah, And if we move to Oregon about a year,
we don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 7 (16:40):
We don't have to buy more fishing hooks or lures
or raising any cattle. But idiots, you also won't have
anything to eat right right, Well, just won't be raised
in the state.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Don't put all the local farmers out of business? Right sure?
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Yeah? What idiots?
Speaker 4 (16:56):
God talk about one of them to vote to get out.
I mean there is a substantial movement in Oregon and
in Washington to break away and join with Idaho.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
And who can blame them, right, well except.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
The people in Idaho we can blame. We don't want
them there, you go.
Speaker 7 (17:12):
Yeah, Well, like Ohio got the short end of the
stick years ago when we ended up getting Toledo and Michigan.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
Got the up. What a lousy deal for Ohio. All
the ups gorgeous. Come on, some.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Of us are still mad about the hall Louisia to
purchase things, you know, Thomas Jeffers, So what can I
tell you? God, you guys think about that. We'll be
right back. Put all your gear on the chiciry and
then roll around on the ground. Now, get up all
your gear that's on the ground. That's what you're not
(17:47):
going to have in a fight.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Gun Talk should be in your podcast feed. Check out
gun Talk Nation.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
What's it like to be blown up?
Speaker 2 (17:53):
You know, if it's like C four, it's almost like
a smack hunting yeah, we talk about that too.
Speaker 6 (17:59):
On your crosshairs. I like a thin crosshair.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
And you're really dating yourself by calling things cross hairs.
Speaker 6 (18:05):
You're redical.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Whatever.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Have some fun and stay informed with the gun Talk podcast.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Somebody say croak, did you croak? Yeah? We called a
burlap sack a croaker sack when I.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Was growing frogs.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Uh, that's right. That's what you throw your frogs in,
the crokers, the old croaker sack. I mean, if you
said burlap sack, people wouldn't even know what you're talking about.
Couldn't get a oh yeah, no, it's a croaker sack.
And now in Louisiana, Michel, we were not the law
there was you couldn't puncture the skin getting frogs. Oh
(18:48):
so you couldn't gig them.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
You good old boys.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
We had to slip up on them and grab them.
They had there was had a kind of a grabber,
spring powered grabber you could use. But we would just
lean over the front of the boat. The guy in
the back would ease us up at night using the headlamp.
Shine it on.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
There.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
He he's up and he's grabbing with your hand. You
get this great, big old bullfrog and then you bring
it back and he's wiggling around. You shut him down,
and of course about you know, every once in a while,
at least once a night, you'd slip up on this
because you just see the eyes of this frog sitting
on a log. He get up real close to it,
and you realize it's a watermarkas oh, no, baby, and
all of a sudden there's you're not in the front
(19:28):
of the boat. Now you're in the back of the boat,
sitting on the lap of the guy back.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
There, praying it didn't make it into your croakers.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
Yeah, some some rejoined there. Aggression that was smooth like that.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
Here, I'm just picturing mud being slung everywhere trying to
chase these frogs.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
We were in these you know, the flat bottom John
boat and you got these kids, and all of us leaked,
and so you would, you know, they'd leak, and we
just let him leak until it got up somewhere about
mid ankle in the waters around your ankle bailing and
then or you know what you can if you run
your boat with some speed, you can pull the drain
plug out and it'll all darrow run out the back
(20:10):
end while you're running.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
Just the one thing you got to remember, and you.
Speaker 4 (20:14):
Got to plug it back in or and this is
before we had sea walls. We would just go pull
it up on a neighbor's yard somewhere and turn the
boat over, pour the botter out, and get back in
and we were good for another twenty or thirty minutes
a frog and before it's filled up with water again.
Speaker 6 (20:30):
It's great.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
There's a high quality boat. Let me tell you.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Oh yeah, well, I mean when you have grushing boys
out there shooting whatever.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
There's no telling. Yeah, where did all those holes come from?
I have no idea, Dad, I don't know. Honestly, I
had no idea that.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
Don't do any blistering testing. Okay that yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I guess I shouldn't just blame it on the boys.
There's some girls out there doing the same type of thing.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
So well, my sister was, and I'm not making as up.
She really was like the local beauty queen. She's four
years older and she rus a beauty. And what she
would do is she loved the boats, So Michelle, you
love this. She would wash her hair and then she'd
go down and get in a boat and run the
boat as a way of drying her hair.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Speed.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I guarantee that's a good speed. And you're getting all
the attention from all the boys.
Speaker 7 (21:21):
Oh yeah, and I'm gonna I'm gonna save your budd here, Tom,
because she listens to the show.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
She not only was a beauty, she is.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
There is that that's true and now recovering from replacement
surgery right now, just had that last week.
Speaker 6 (21:36):
That'll be five six months.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Oh well, you know, it depends our buddy Mike, who
you know. I think he's one month into his knee
replacement and we were out in a boat a two
days ago last throwing a part of a floating dock
that got loose from somebody. We got that and pulled
it back in and he's out walking around. But you know,
(21:57):
so it's different for yeah, yeah, that's the quick recovery.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah sure, yeah, absolutely. They say it's they say it's
a tough one.
Speaker 4 (22:06):
Well, he has the motivation though, because you know, in
September he plans to be up and down those mountains
chasing and with his sharp stick what he likes to
do sick. Yeah, he likes to fling that shark stick
as a bow man. Yes, you'll shoot him with a
rifle too, but he loves that early season, September bugling season.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
We get to bowl hunting because usually should be arrow hunting.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Well, it's interesting in archery, bow hunting whatever. Of course,
you know I used to shoot everything with a bow.
Well I've told the story about shooting that nutrient, pulling
that in. But we'd shoot fish trying to remember think
I killed the Yeah, killed flying birds with bow. We
went out and hunted crows, calling him in and try
(22:53):
to shoot him out of the air. With bows. Of course,
you lose your arrows. So we got to where we
would make our own arrows, buying the cedar shafts, you know,
and then put the fletching on them. And the points
were too expensive, so we would use thirty eight special
brass and make flunt blunts. And then we got to
wear Why even paint the arrows because we're just going
to fling them and they're gonna be lost. So we
(23:15):
would just shoot the bear cedar shafts. But I mean
that's how I grew up. It's just doing that kind
of stuff all the time.
Speaker 6 (23:21):
Wadcutter arrows.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Oh yeah, they make good blunts. It's perfect. It's just
about the right size for a cedar shaft and just
a little you know, bit of glue on the end
would hold them on.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Stun a rabbit and go and get it.
Speaker 7 (23:32):
Oh yeah, yeah, you bet, don't you tie the line
on them?
Speaker 6 (23:36):
And when you're fishing stuff.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
When you're fishing, you do. But when you're fishing you're
using a solid fiberglass arrow, very heavy arrow. Oh okay,
because it's got to penetrate through the water. If they
don't have that, it won't do that. So huh so, yeah,
there wouldn't much. We wouldn't at least try to shoot.
You know. It's like a bunch of boys out with
their bows and arrows. Is nothing safe.
Speaker 6 (24:00):
I'm sure you're the first boys at every do anything
like that.
Speaker 4 (24:02):
Yeah, really, no kidding.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Maybe the thirty eight special though, that sense that works.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
It's liquor and I'll get out. I'm telling you that
it is great. And then you put the fletching on.
Oh this is if you ever.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Heard of a flue flu arrow, yep, I have.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Okay, I figured. You know, you got big old fletching
on it and you shoot it at a bird and
then it has so much air resistance that you know,
it slows down quickly and it falls straight down to
the ground. So we were going to make our own
flue flu arrows. And this coincided with when the very
first compound bows came out. So I had this flue
flu era I'd made with all these big fletchings. We
(24:38):
didn't trim them or anything, but you had these cables
on the bow, and when I shot that thing in
the air, the cables on the compound bow stripped the
feathers off. It looked like a bird had exploded right
in the middle of the bow went off. It just,
I mean, fletching went everywhere. I had no idea what.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Had happened, right, And who knows where the arrow is?
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Oh yeah, I don't know who's gone. It may still
be orbiting the Earth.
Speaker 6 (25:04):
It may have landed by now.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
But yeah, the starlinks the satellites.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
Yeah. All mom wanted to know is, you know, do
I have to take you to the hospital or can
we treat it here? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (25:20):
Chrome, which one was it?
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Well?
Speaker 4 (25:22):
That that's the mom's was hydrogen peroxide?
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Oh yeah, you know.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Each mom has their own thing.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Right yep iodine? Oh yeah, pour that.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Hydrogen peroxide on it and it would bubble up. Uh huh,
because we were always stepping on stuff in the nasty
old river out there and cutting our feet.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Best cleaner ever. We still use it, do you. Yep,
it's great for cleaning wounds. Okay, it doesn't feel great,
but it's great.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
We just got you know, our whole dea was we
had a bathroom that was only like two steps from
the back door, so you only left two bloody footprints
coming in. And then you get in the shower and
you use the hydrogen peroxide or over the toilet, and
then go back outside and go do it all over again.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Oh yeah, get to freshture put in.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
That's right. I don't know why we didn't all die.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Well, that's why we're as strong as we are. Tom.
You may be right, it's like Tom's.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
Bleeding, okay, but how bad do we need a tourniquit
or just a it's just regular blood.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Don't worry about it into the family triage, okay.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
And Michell, being the mother of boys, understands. There were
times when we would come to the back door and
I'm would just look at and say, strip yep, just everything,
take off everything. Ye know, you're not coming in with
any of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
You know what makes you think I don't do that
to my husband's stuff. Those boots and those pants are
not coming in my house.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I thought we were going in a different direction that
we couldn't go here.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Okay, yeah no, because we just we're surrounded by tear
will clay where we are.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
It's either sand or clay.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Oh no, it's stained. Yeah, that stuff's terrible.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
It's not coming in my house.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
No, sir, right here, just right there. I don't care.
But but no, no, no, no, no, there's no button.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
No just no, no, it's not even up for no,
not up, not up for conversation.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
You can wear your underwear in, but that's it. No socks,
no boots, no pants.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
How bad you fell in, how wet it was?
Speaker 4 (27:28):
That's true if you fell in really deep, it's like
it's all coming off.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Those can be thrown away, we'll buy farm.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
And then yeah, there's the other categories like okay, can
we clean it or do we need to burn it?
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Right? Oh my, that's so true.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Then you remember who is that Johnny Stewart made a
varmit call, and I go so far back that it
was actually a record player a battery powered record players
playing forty fives with a metal horn and use that
with the rabbit squeals and all that. Well, of course
Dad got all this stuff for his writing, and we
(28:09):
got that in and my brother and I were probably
twelve and fourteen, and we thought that was the coolest
thing because it's got that rabbit. And so we would
take that and get right behind the bushes of our
house and turn that on really loud, and then we
would be above the bushes and nobody could see that.
And then we'd take a stick and we're beating the
(28:31):
ground and like we're beating some dog or cat or something.
Just silly boys being silly out there. Cars would slow
down trying to find out what's going on there, calling Mary, Mary,
what are your boys doing? Okay, he says, oh.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
God, I could just see that happening outside of the
kitchen window as mom's cooking, or.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Of course, yes, like what are you boys doing?
Speaker 3 (29:00):
Oh man, Lord.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
It wasn't a bad way to grow well, it wasn't
for me. I'm sure it was tough with my parents.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
I just picture the old PBS type movies going on
in my mind.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
When you talk.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
About your childhood and all these farrel boys.
Speaker 6 (29:17):
Oh, I thought you it's a crime show and they're
showing his background with let up to everything.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
Oh no, no, before Tom snapped you.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
So we had a little hill behind the house going
down to the lake and we had a big tractor
interviewe that would use in the lake and float on. Right.
It's fun. You could put like, I don't know, six
or eight kids on this intertube. And then we figured
out if you took the big intertube tractor tire interview
back up the hill, you could get inside of it
(29:45):
and have your buddies start rolling it down and it's
going down the hill and you're going over and over
and over until eventually you go flying out of this
thing and going through the air and flipping around in
the air and come down on your head. And then
I want to go do it again.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I've done that, But.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
You've done that.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Of course it's not just boys.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
See no, no, no, no, see I knew I like it.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
There's some ground into these wounds and for me also,
so I get it.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
Yeah, my sister did that too. So yeah, the beauty
queen flying through the air in the entertainer.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
So yeah, you know you have to chake that ponytail up.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Oh goodness, oh god, it's true. So one last story
is small town on the river there, growing up. So
I go into town one day in the boat, because
that's how I got to town. Just go down and
get in the boat behind the house and marn it
a half mile into town, tie it up, and then
from there you're right next to the movie theater or
the barber shop or wherever. It's all right there on
(30:47):
the water. And so I went in. I was probably
I don't know, nine or ten. And I come back
and the boat is tied up there, and there is
a cake box there, the cake sitting on the seat
of the boat with a note that says, please take
this to your mom. That's all it was. It's just
(31:08):
like some lady had left a cake there that she
wanted to send a mom. But she saw my boat
there and she knew whose boat it was, so she
just put it in the boat so I could take
it back home.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
I love it. I love it. Oh my gosh, good times.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Yeah, that would not happen today.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
No, probably not. No, that's okay. It's you know, and
in some places it would. In some places you can
get away from the towns we get rural, you can
do stuff like that. Still.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yeah, yeah, so there you go.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Anyway, that's just kind of fun stuff. It's silly stuff
growing up. I did grow up on the water, that
was for sure. It was like every single day we
would go. I think at one point we had five
boats behind the house, and I think it was one
of them didn't leak, so that was good.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
So what was what was big of the living room
or the mudroom?
Speaker 4 (32:03):
Oh, the mudroom was the carport. It was just like, okay,
you're you're shielded from this the road so they can't
see you. So yeah, this is where you're going to
strip and get into the house. But I mean, we
were forever dirty.
Speaker 6 (32:18):
Thank you. You didn't have ring cameras back there.
Speaker 4 (32:20):
Oh god, yes, that would have been not good for sure.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Well that's partly. White kids don't have these experiences nowadays. Two, well,
you're right, you know.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
And the other thing, of course, is that every adult
in the area had carte blanche to spank any of
the kids.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
Yep, the good old days.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Yes, indeed. So it's like you're gonna get spanking there
and then when you get home they will already have
heard about it by the time you get home, and
then you get spanking when you get back home. So yep,
there's that being raised by a village, you know. With
apologies to Hillary Clinton, but there you go. Lord, all right,
(33:00):
have a wonderful week. Next week, tease it one more time.
There is a pretty nifty announcement of a pretty nifty
new product coming out.
Speaker 7 (33:10):
Oh you mean the Model one twenty seven j by
Smith tut.
Speaker 5 (33:14):
Oh shoot shoot juice.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Right with the super reduced loads that go twelve feet
per second.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
Twelve feet per second.
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Try to go shoot your toe off because that's as
far as it can go.
Speaker 6 (33:29):
I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
All right, guys, have good week, you.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Too, take care of bye. We'll catch you next time
for the gun Talk after show.
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