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-- When Kamala Harris says she won't take away anyone's guns, is there anyone who actually believes her?
-- The .284 Winchester, and why we cling to orphaned cartridges.
-- With the soaring cost of ammunition, now is the time to take up handloading your own.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:35):
Now here's Tom, Michelle and Jim for the Gun Talk
after Show.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We're not ready, but we're going to do the after
show anyway. That's how it rolls, right.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Well, let's fall y'all today. It is fall, absolutely good.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
So everybody out there citing their rife?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
No, I mean, can you imagine, Michelle, It's like, you know,
we're weeks away from the opening hunting season and there's
nobody at the public range.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Well, no, you wait until the day prior or or
you know what you cited.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
In last year, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Or you just go out where you're going to be
hunting and you've got a pillow, you just rested over
a pillow or something, you know, and off the hood
of the car and fire a shot. That's good enough.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Please?
Speaker 5 (01:23):
Well, so I like to shoot. I like to practice
like I actually shoot. Tom So I bring a vice
with me.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Well I decided rather than shoot, I'm just going to
do the important part. I'm just going to practice my flinch.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Oh yeah, makes sense pretty.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I mean, it's any right, because that's that's what's going
to show up.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
So there you go, especially with your three thirty eight
six improved.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I'm not sure how improved it is. You know, we're
very undecided on this one. Is this one of those
that all right? To be fair, I've also right, well,
I thought, I don't need a three thirty eight out six.
I'll just rebarrel it or I'll you know what you
could do, well, what I could have done before I
found out it was improved, I could have rechambered it
for thirty five whalen. But now that the shoulder has
(02:14):
been pushed out, you can't even do that.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
All your pass the point in no return.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, so you would have to turn the peril back,
cut some off the back end of the barrel, and
then run a fresh chamber in the or chamber riamer
in there. But now it turns out my local gunsan said,
we'll have you checked to see if they blew out
the body taper on that one. I did. They did,
so now the entire chamber is too fat.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
It's like a new barrel eight.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Yeah, three thirty eight out six modified less soon to.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Become a thirty out six. Yeah. Coming to a rifle
near you. Speaking of cool rifles, let's go talk with
Ron and Reno. Hey, Ron, you are another two eighty
four fan, I hear.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
Yes, I've had two eighty fours for a long, long
long time. I've got h three Winchesters to model one
hundreds and I'm all lady eight eight yeah yeah. And
then also I had bolt stainless bolt bled by schill
(03:26):
in uh, and I use them for a little bit
of everything. I use the one hundreds, use the one
hundreds for varmuts and for antelope, and the eighty eight
I used for deer and deer, and then then the
bolt I used for for elk.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
How did you get started with two eighty fours?
Speaker 6 (03:54):
Well, my dad, my dad, but a too eighty four
gosh a long long long time ago, and uh, and
he just handed it over to me. And I've since
(04:15):
picked up another one and the eighty eight along with
the brold action.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, I have to assume that you're handloading.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
I handloaded, Uh, basically almost all my ammo. But I
do have a ton of Winchester one hundred and fifty grain.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
One hundred and fifty gree power point. That was the
only ammo out there.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
Yeah, I got a ton of it. Yeah, but I
loaded like for for viarmants and stuff, one hundred and
thirty nine grains and uh he was one hundred and
fifty four deer and one hundred and sixty two and
seventy five per oak.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
For those who don't know, let me go over the basics.
Two eighty four Winchester is about forty year old cartridge now,
and it has a rebated rim. So what they did
is that the rim size says the same as a
three eight or two forty three, but they made the
body of it fatter so they could get more powder
in it. The idea originally was to have a short
action rifle that would duplicate the ballistics of a two
(05:21):
seventy and it went over like a lead balloon. Nobody
wanted it, and it didn't go anywhere until the wildcatters
started playing with it. Took took it down to sixty
five and they made the sixty five two eighty four,
which became a real popular competition gun long range shooting.
And then they figured out that burned out barrels like crazy.
(05:41):
He says, well, what if we opened it up to
seven millimeter? Oh yeah, that was what the original two
eighty four was. So that's what they're doing in competition
now using the original two eighty four.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
I like it.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
It's really really a good gun. I really, I really do.
I've had and I've got a ton of guns, but
I liked it too. Eighty four, I really do.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
That is terrific. Well, look, I appreciate the call. It's uh,
you know, it takes one to no one the rifle
Looni's out here like us. We like these weird things
like two eighty fours and three thirty eight out six
is and all. Thanks Ron. I appreciate that the uh,
the two eighty four has the ballistic because people are wondering, well,
what's it like. It is essentially like a two eighty
(06:25):
Rimmington somewhere kind of between a two eighty and a
two eighty actually improved shooting the same bullets at about
the same speed one hundred and forty hundred and fifty
grain bullet at twenty nine hundred feet per second basically
just does everything it's supposed to do. But then again, yeah,
Michelle's kind of like saying, well, isn't it about like
a three or eight? Yes? Isn't it about like a
thirty out six? Yes? Isn't it about like a two seventy? Yes?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
But how similar is it to a six y five
or six Creed More?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
It's about that much more?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Sorry, I just had to go there.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah, they all are so similar or you can't find
any daylight between them, right.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
And finding the ammunition on those nowadays is particularly hard.
So I know he said he has a ton, but
reloading is key with these guns.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yes, if you're going to get some weird thing like
a two eighty four Winchester or a three thirty eight
Dots six, you better be a handloader because you're I mean,
with the exception of HSM, we had them on the
show today and they actually make two eighty four. I
actually did not know they did, and I don't know
of anybody else that makes two eighty four MMO, So.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
No, they don't do custom orders, right, you can't order
it from them if you need it or is it
just distribution.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I heard parts of that interview, but not everything.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I don't know if it's in stock. You know how
it is. Sometimes they'll do like a run and they'll
have a supply and then when they run out there
out until next year kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Right, Yeah, come may you better be looking for your
dear mo because a deer season it's not there.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Oh, you'll be delighted to hear this. I have been
looking and looking and looking for some primers and men.
Is it weird? There's no particular reason for it, but
I wanted Winchester large rifle primers. Good luck, right, you know,
And there's CCI is out there, and you got some
SMB and some others, but I just couldn't find any Winchesters.
(08:15):
And then something weird happened last week. On a couple
of the websites that popped up, they had Winchester large
rifle primers. So I mean, yes, please, and I ordered
five thousand of them.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Whoa you get to order five thousand?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
They let me. They didn't know any better, And the
next day they were gone everywhere, and I got my
five thousand in wow. So it's like, you know, that's
like a weekend's worth of shooting for me, right, like
three lifetimes. But that's okay.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
You would passing them out for trick or treat treats.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Oh, that would go over really well.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
A couple dozen shoulders, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Okay, So all right, Michelle, I got to ask you,
since you know you've got the family that's been doing,
have you ever vacuumed up a primer?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Unfortunately, i'd have to say yes.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
And did it go off?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yes, yeah, Yeah, it's a little exciting.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
It is really exciting when you vacuum up a primer.
Don't do that.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And what's even more exciting is when maybe you've spilled them.
I don't know, I hear these things happen, but you know,
one accidentally goes into the trash can and that gets
you know.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
They go everywhere and they go, oh, you got a
burn barrel and the are in there, so yeah, yeah,
and they I mean, they don't it's like a little
it's not like popcorn going off. It's it's a loud bang.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
It's a love bang.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Oh man. Yeah, shag carpet and primers. Back in the
old old days, you can't find them in there. No,
just vacuum them up. You put on your safety gear.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Let's go a good, good thing. You only have one
of those nowadays, the car shag carp.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Orange.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And that's in my el Camino where Bill Clinton had
an al Camino, Was it, Daddy? Yes? And then he
talked about having AstroTurf in the back basically for his dates.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Classy guy. I was a Chevy fan until then.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Okay, let's see if Keith is still hanging around here
out in Houston. Hey, Keith, you're still there.
Speaker 7 (10:31):
I'm here.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Oh yeah, we got you. Okay, let's see what's your
situation there, Steve. We can help you.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
So I've got an old Stevens side by side sixteen
gays that belonged to my grandfather, and I was looking.
It's got a little bit of problem with the lever
that you moved to break it open. It it swings
past the ninety degrees far over right, and I was
looking for somebody that maybe could could repair it on
that all time. I actually called the juries in San
(11:00):
Antonio and talked to against Smith over there, but he
said he couldn't get parts for it anymore. So I
was curious if you might know somebody that worked in
old shotguns and good point in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
As it turns out, we just might have an idea
for you, Michelle.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yes, so, Keith.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
My husband is a gunsmith, he and his dad, and
they've been doing it for many, many years. I know
that we're not in the state of Texas, but it's
possible if you would like, we could give you a
call and see if we can't help you out.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
Okay, I'd be happy to have that call. You might
could answer some other questions I have just about it,
you know, the age of the gun and it's safe
to shoot and that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Absolutely, okay, I got I got one other idea for
you here.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
And you're in Houston, right, Yes, sir, are you familiar
with Briley the people that make the shotgun jokes?
Speaker 7 (11:57):
Say that again.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Briley, they may choke tube shotguns. Well also okay, Well
they're in Houston and they also do gunsmithing on shotguns.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
Oh nice, Okay, can you spell that for me?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
E R I L E Y. And if you let
me see if I can find out now they may
or may not be able to work on something like that.
But here's what I'm thinking. Because they are in the
shotgun world, they may if they don't do it, they
may know somebody in your area who works on these
(12:34):
old guns. And there it's usually it's like the old
decrepit guy in the corner and go, yeah, I think
he's still alive over there. Let's just nudge him a
little bit and see if he moves right.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I thought he was still doing.
Speaker 7 (12:51):
But the history of the gun a little bit too,
just you know, the age of it and based on
the model and the markets that are on it and
that kind of thing too.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
So mm hmm, well that it's kind of fun. And
you know those old shotguns that have a usually a
lot of character to them. And I'm pretty sure the
fact that the top tang lever is moving past where
it's supposed to it may not be a case of
parts and maybe somebody's going to have to actually manufacture
(13:19):
apart for you, but there's somebody out there who.
Speaker 7 (13:21):
Can do that, right, Okay, thank you.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
You bet.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I mean I'm looking at Brightley now Custom Gunsmithing. Yeah,
they got all sorts of stuff they do there, which
leads me to we'll go ahead, let you go. Keith
I appreciate that. I appreciate the call and hope that
helps out. And Michelle, you've got his number so you
can get a hold of him. Yes, I had an
(13:47):
overnunder that I sent down to Brightley. It was a
parazzi live pigeon gun, had super tight chokes in it,
and it was made for live pigeon shooting, competition shooting,
and so I mean they have to have super tight shokes. Well,
I couldn't hit anything with that. And so sit down
to Briley and they put choke tubes in the great
(14:08):
and I said, well, I also like to have the
gun fitted to me. And they said, we got a
guy down here who does that kind of work. So
it's okay.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
So I had my measurements and sent to their guy
and I gave him the measurements. He was going to
bend the stock for me and all that, and he
said me, about a month. A month goes by, don't
hear from him, Another month goes by, do on here front,
Another month goes by, don't hear from him. Find that call,
he said, John spent three months. Man. He said, well,
(14:34):
so I've been trying to work up the courage to
call you and go this does not sound yes, he said, well,
you know that beautiful piece of wood on your stock
in your forearm? He said, the dog ate your forearm.
I said what he said, Yeah, my daughter put her
(14:55):
dog in my workroom and the dog got your forearm
and it down to the medal, just like he said. So,
I'm searching for one, and I contacted parazzi in the
US and they don't have one. Of contacted parazzi in
Italy and they don't have one, he says. He says,
don't worry. He says, I've got a custom stock maker
(15:18):
in Oregon who is right now making you a new
forearm for your shotgun. And at his expense. Sure, I
mean he took care of the whole thing. I said, well, John,
I only really have I mean, you're taking care of
me and I appreciate that, but I really only have
one question. He said, Yeah, what's that? I said, Well,
where did you bury the dog?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Nice that coming?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Dogs should have too.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
And I don't know if this will help Keith and not,
but there are there are users groups on social media
and stuff for Steven's rifles and shotguns. You may be
able to find out a little bit about the history
of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Okay, very good, all right, I know you've got something
you need to tell us about. But let's take a
break and we'll come back and then, uh, that's a
little bit news.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
That's your industry term. Tease.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
It's just like I don't know where we're going, so
I have to lay out a map here because otherwise
I get lost.
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Speaker 1 (17:01):
All right, we're back. Thanks so much, guys. You guys
have a great week.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Take care.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Awesome. Man, that's a sharp segment right there, baby, that
might be our shortest of aggression. There you go. Okay,
jam actually got a cool thing to tell us that.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
This is pretty cool, buddy mind. John Grafting said, Hey, Jim,
but you're you're involved in gun talks, still right, I said, yeah,
they haven't canned me yet, but I'm still there. He said, hey,
check this out and tell me what you think. And
I said, okay. So the Zenobia Shriners, which are sure
you're familiar with Shriners and the work work they do
across the nation, well, the Toledo chapter of Shiners is
(17:36):
having their Sportsman's Extravaganza, which you can enter online, by
the way, and if you go to two try let's
start that again. If you go to Shrine Sportsmen dot
com the plural of man so Shrine Sportsmen dot com,
they have ninety guns that they're raffling off and yeah,
(18:01):
ten five hundred dollars cash prizes, so one hundred and
one winners.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
You do not need to be present to win.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
So check that out if you would, and help out
some kids in the meantime and maybe win yourself a
gun or five hundred bucks in cash, which you'll buy
you about thirty rounds of three thirty eight out six
improved not even.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Shrine Sportsmen Plural dot.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Com correct Shrine sports Person.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
First prize is a week with Jim Kinsey at the Rains.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
That last prize is two weeks and it gets worse.
So yeah, check that out, help out a good cause
and maybe you just have win yourself some cool guns
or some cash.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Either way.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Well, and obviously the Shriners just do wonderful things for kids,
you know, the hospitals and all.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
So yeah, that's if it was just some local club,
I don't think we would have been plugging it, would we.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Nope, nope, nope. But this is a good one. So okay,
I'm gonna give you that one more time, Shrine Sportsmen
dot Com. Yep, there you.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Go, Thank you sir, Thank you John.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yes, Michelle, are things started to heat up around there
as far as people shopping and getting ready for the seasons.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Well, we're in full swing of archery and you know,
very similar to how it goes down for rifle or
shotgun people. You know, pre planning is not always the best.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
So a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Of strings and cables and all that type of thing
that are frantically being processed as quickly as we can.
So yeah, things are definitely getting out there. People are
recognizing ammunition shortages, so they're gobbling you know, not one
or two boxes, but maybe four or more if it's
on the shelf. So kudos to some of those people
(19:44):
that are preparing.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
And are you Are you seeing shortages right now.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
And on some things yes, yeah, and others not. You know,
like we've recently you know, seven meg and three hundred
and three thirty eight, some of that stuff is back
out there. It might not be the cheapest because holy folks,
knock your socks.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Off price ninety bucks for a box of seven.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Mag Yeah, but that's I mean, and that's not even yeah,
it's it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
It's definitely a commitment.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
So it's time for you start those reloading classes.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
If you're just gonna say reloading, but then you know
you need those large pistol primers that Tom picked up,
I mean large rifle primers, sorry, large large rifle primers.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Yeah. So but yeah, it's it definitely.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
It's happening, and you could use some reloading if you
can find the components to be able to do.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
So and know how mm hmmm, because there's definitely skill.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I'm seeing people report shortages and some powders it's like,
you know, Reliver twenty two and Reliver twenty six. Yeah,
some of those are hard to find. And what people
don't understand is like they say, well, you know Hodgdon
does this. Hodgston just brings powder in basically. And so
even like within Alliant or reloading reload powders, there's some
(21:12):
are made in the US, some are made in Scotland,
some are Maidens Switzerland. They're made all over the world, right,
and they have different names in other parts of the world.
Like our Australian buddies will go, well, that's a double
A six two seven. I go, I don't know what
this is. They said, oh, yeah, that's re latter or
twenty two where you are. Oh okay, So just understand
(21:33):
that we're it is truly a global market for this stuff.
And you know, we kept being told there was going
to be a shortage of some sort because of all
the military use of powders and nitrocellulos, and we maybe
started to see the front edge of.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
That, the front edge, okay was.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
I I didn't actually sell that right that I And
you're thinking, okay, we're just well into it at this
point if you just figured it out, where the heck
have you been?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Right right there?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
It is, but it is going to get worse. I mean,
they're they're predicting that, so you know, stand by your
wallets if you you know, if you can buy it,
now buy it.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And that's not a sales strategy. That is just a
half what you need strategy.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
But if not, learn how to reload from somebody that's reputable,
because that's vitally important.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
You know. And here's the thing. People say, well, you
know it's going to cost me like four hundred bucks
to buy all my reloading gear. Yeah, okay, you know what,
you can go in on that with like two.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Other buddies, right, and how many different calibers can you
reload with?
Speaker 7 (22:41):
You know?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, I mean it's like, okay, we're going to all
go together. We're going to buy a bunch of primers together,
and you know, you can all have your individual cases
and bullets for your particular your rifle, whatever you're loading.
But the reality is you can share that reloading gear
with somebody which dies ye yeah, you have your own dies,
(23:06):
or you share if you're all shooting the same thing.
It's but it's not a bad way to go. You think, well,
let's just cut the price of the initial cost of
getting into this significantly. The other part of it is
reloading together is kind of a fun get together in
the evening. You can all get together. Let's make some mammo.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
And you don't have to buy top of the line.
By the way, you can do single press stuff with.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
A rock checker.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Oh my gosh, that's our.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Favorite press ever.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Sorry, we have others, but that's our favorite.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Is a single stage if our CBS rock chucker press.
You can do it all with that. You don't need
to go any further than that.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Honestly, rifle pistol, it does not matter, right, that's the
thing to take into consideration, right, it's how many different
calibers can you reload? So yeah, the initial expense is
high down the road in ten years, depending on how
much you shoot.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Maybe not if you do Tom's group idea too.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
And if you know, guy falls out after a while
lack of interest to the ability or whatever, the other
guys can buy them out or let somebody else buy in,
and right, little community.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Thing schedule it out. Right, there's a calendar, and.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
It's not that hard to learn, but it does require
you to pay attention to detail. And a lot of
gun stores and ranges have classes on reloading or how
to get into it.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
So you don't just top off the case with the
powder and jam.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I like to have a big bucket of powder and
just dip the case in there.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Yeah. Well when you're smoking, you're smoking. When you're doing
all this.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Right while you're pumping gas for your car.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Pumping gas, smoking while reloading on your trump.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I mean, it's the situation.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
So fifteen, it's.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
In a lightning storm. I mean, let's make it fun
wearing brass boots. It's actually I like the reloading. It
is a form of therapy for me because I can
really concentrate on that and not looking any think about
anything else. And I don't like to have on anything.
I like to have on music or TV or anything else.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Got a boy, Yeah, Well, and it becomes its own
hobby and as such, just as addictive as shooting can be,
because you can specialize and make the load yours and
what works out of your rifle the best. Even if
somebody else down the road has a Remington seven hundred,
that doesn't mean it's going to shoot the same load
the same way. So it's just such great handwork I guess,
(25:35):
to go along with the shooting.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
That just makes it even more accurate.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And if you happen to have, you know, an old
funky rifle from your dad, granddad, whatever, you had a
caliber you know you got a three h three British
or you know you got an infield you gotta whatever
it is, something weird like a two fifty seven Roberts
like I love. Well, you may be able to find
ami for it. Man, you can make that thing just
(25:59):
stand up up and sing when you can handload.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Well, if you figure a box of ammunition is let's
just say it's fifty dollars for easy mathing, right, four
boxes of that is two hundred.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Bucks slowed down and slowed down.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
You could very easily purchase a rock Chucker for a
little bit more than that, potentially if you get a
kit or you know, however you purchase it. But when
you start thinking about it in terms of how many
rounds you're going to shoot, it's not that expensive.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Ten boxes get your money back issally right right.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Well, I was talking to Joel Hodgton, who now is
doing PR marketing for our CBS, because Hodgten bought our CBS,
and I said something about rock Chucker. I said, you know,
these things are indestructible. They just last forever. He says, well, actually,
he says, there are a few parts that can wear on.
I'm thinking, how much would you have to load on
a rock chucker to wear out anything on that? It's
(26:53):
like saying I wore out my anvil.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Really, I mean that's not how much wood would a
wood chuck chuck thing?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah? Really, I mean because they are just built like
a vault or a tank or something incredible.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, And you know, be careful because I know sometimes
you can find some great deals at garage sales. And
I'm not saying don't take advantage of that, but sometimes
some of these old air quotes, old presses aren't interchangeable
with today's plates and dies.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Oh so okay, well, of course now dye diameter, they're screwed.
There is pre standard. There are two sizes, but you
can get a bushing to work in there. But pretty
much all the dies will fit in most of the presses.
And I like reading as well. I think Ready makes
really good stuff, So I like rcbs and reading. And
(27:44):
you know who makes some good stuff that's less expensive.
It's Lee. The Lee dies are very good and often
less expensive. So you do some shopping around and to
your point about finding you stuff. Every time I look
on like Facebook, Marketplace or something, there are people selling
dies like crazy because they've gotten the gotten rid of
that gun or whatever. And you know, all of a sudden,
(28:06):
you know those guys that would be eighty bucks in
a store or selling for thirty dollars, right, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
So with the presses, am I thinking wrong? Aren't there
some older presses that you can't use or maybe you
can't interchange the calibers from maybe they're caliber specific.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
There's something.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
If they are progressives where they have a plate that rotates.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
On them shelf, you may not be able to get.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
The shelf plate on that. But if they're single stage,
they should be just as good now as they were
back then. You're just screwing a die in and taking
it back out. It shouldn't be Okay.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I have to do some thinking on that one.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, I figure out what that is, because I'm sure
you're right. And there's an area that I'm just not
thinking of. I can't remember. But you know, you have
a whole host of experts that are hanging around you,
so you can ask everybody.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yep, well, at any rate. Reloading is the way to go, for.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Sure, it is. And it's fun. I mean, I love
hanging out. I've spent a couple or three hours loading
AMMO and going I have to go shoot it then.
And that's the only thing.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
You know, bomber No, I thought you guys just you know,
joined up with other reloaders so you could validate your geekdom.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Well, you could just load AMMO and then pull the
bullets and the powder out and do it again and again.
That way just stood over again.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Gotta love the kinetic bullet pullers.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Oh gosh, I was doing that the other day. It's basically,
it's a hammer and you put your cartridge in it
and holds it by the back end and you whack
it on a table until the inertia of the bullet
actually pulls the bullet out of the mouth of the case.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
What and it dumps the powder if you put powder
in it.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yes, yes, yes, But I learned a trick. You know
that goofy little holder that snaps around the back of
the case with the little rubber o ring on that
kinetic puller. Don't use that. I mean, this is gonna
sound so stupid, like I can't believe. Yes, you shouse
rug your shollholder. Yeah, it works finding her. So I
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was the last personal planet Earth to learn this. Clearly,
everybody's going you didn't know that. Come on, that's all
we ever do here. I've been fooding around with that
stupid over ring thing for all these years, and somebody says,
you know, you could just use the shelfolder you you
already have for this. Sorry you didn't tell me that, Michelle, geez.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
And it's really not that funny, but it is kind
of funny.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Well, it is kind of funny because you think it's
when it's somebody else, it's funny, right thinking.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
So you're the dude who's been fumbling around with that
for all these years. That was me.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I'm the guy.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
All I know is it can keep your children busy
for quite a while if you.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Have help, this is true.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
And be careful about pouring your powder out. Oh you
pour it back into the container you got it from.
So if you get reloader seventeen, make sure it goes
back in Reloader seventeen. Case you got to be fanatical
about that.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Well, and I know several people that have purchased reloads
and then their only intention is to get the brass
and potentially the bullets, right, because this is exactly what
they plan on doing. They plan on taking everything apart
and doing it their way with their powder. Because you
really have no idea when you're purchasing these reloads unless
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it's from somebody that's like, really vetted exactly what you're getting,
So be careful of that too.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I will not shoot reloads from somebody I don't know
really well, just will not do it. Like I said, well,
take them apart, and here's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to pull the bullet, save the bullet, have
the case with the primary in it, and I'm going
to throw away the powder.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yep, because I don't.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Know what the powder is. He can tell me what
it is, and you can't even tell by just looking
at it. Right, So it makes good fertilizer.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Though, yes it does.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
I was just going to say, No, loaders aren't like dealers,
are they were? Hey, kid, the first box is free
just to buy this stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
None that I know.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
I would. I would love to find that guy, because
I mean I would say, oh, sure that sounds great, sir,
I will take the first one for free.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
I got this three thirty eight oh six.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Oh they never have that.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
That ain't happened, man, lordy, I don't know what's gonna
happen with this. I've got a new set of dies
coming for the three thirty eight out six improved, and
we'll see how that works. I mean, it could work
out great, and this thing could shoot to rip. I
mean even shooting the fire farming the cases. Michelle, I'm
getting like intention of quarter groups one hundred yards out
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of the.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Trifle, you know.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
But by the time you have your loads ready, you're
gonna have to get a new barrel.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
That's trying worn it out. How you shot out my barrel.
But I'm using soft boots, so they don't really wear well.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
It's just like you're two eighty four's and all those others.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
That's right. If you heat up the bullets, they get
softer before you shoot them. I think something like that.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Slightly smaller diameter than called for sure, you got a
little little.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
By But okay, Jim, have you ever heard of paper
patched bullets?
Speaker 5 (33:17):
I have, actually, well, paper patch bullets or shotgun shelves.
No bullets, Well, then no, let me retract that and
retort has paper.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Really, Yes, they take the bullet and wrap it in paper,
particularly muscloaders.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Right yep lets you give them more tighter fit to
take up the rest of the diameter.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
From the bullet so it's not sloppy in there, and then.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
It acts as a pressure seal between the powder and
the okay wow.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
And then there was one of the early I think
it was the very first Stephen Hunter novel. Yes and
the bad Guys and had the good guy, uh, Bobby
Swagger shoot it some targets way out like a thousand yards,
and they recovered the bullets shot from his gun and
(34:10):
then they paper patched them and loaded them in somebody
else's rifle so they would have the rifling from Swagger's
rifle so that when they identify it, they said, this
bullet was fired from your gun to try to assassinate
the president. What a cool idea. It's very gun Geekyo.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Want to going through the next rifle to give it
its own marks as well?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
I don't know, and it might, but it still is
a good story.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Yeah, that's a great story, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I mean in South we always say we never let
the truth get in a way of a good story.
So there you go.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
Love it.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Alrighty go vote?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Will you register, register and vote or shut the hell up?
There it is. I'm sorry if it offends people, I
am happy about that. Maybe it'll get you off your
rear yep. So there you go. All right, guys, I'm
trying to think maybe by next week I will have
new dyes and have loaded it up and we're going
(35:10):
to find out if this mystery goofy rifle is going
to work for me or if it has to go
out for surgery. I may have my own range report.
We'll see.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Well, hopefully you don't have to go out for surgery.
That's a lot of shooting. I have one of those
past pass yep yep shaped.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Even with produced loads, if you've got to go out
and shoot forty or fifty out, which is what I
was doing England, it starts to work on you for
a while.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
All right, guys, have a great week.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
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Speaker 3 (00:35):
Now here's Tom, Michelle and Jim for the Gun Talk
after Show.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We're not ready, but we're going to do the after
show anyway. That's how it rolls, right.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Well, let's fall y'all today. It is fall, absolutely good.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
So everybody out there citing their rife?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
No, I mean, can you imagine, Michelle, It's like, you know,
we're weeks away from the opening hunting season and there's
nobody at the public range.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Well, no, you wait until the day prior or or
you know what you cited.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
In last year, it's fine.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Or you just go out where you're going to be
hunting and you've got a pillow, you just rested over
a pillow or something, you know, and off the hood
of the car and fire a shot. That's good enough.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Please?
Speaker 5 (01:23):
Well, so I like to shoot. I like to practice
like I actually shoot. Tom So I bring a vice
with me.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Well I decided rather than shoot, I'm just going to
do the important part. I'm just going to practice my flinch.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Oh yeah, makes sense pretty.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I mean, it's any right, because that's that's what's going
to show up.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
So there you go, especially with your three thirty eight
six improved.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I'm not sure how improved it is. You know, we're
very undecided on this one. Is this one of those
that all right? To be fair, I've also right, well,
I thought, I don't need a three thirty eight out six.
I'll just rebarrel it or I'll you know what you
could do, well, what I could have done before I
found out it was improved, I could have rechambered it
for thirty five whalen. But now that the shoulder has
(02:14):
been pushed out, you can't even do that.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
All your pass the point in no return.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, so you would have to turn the peril back,
cut some off the back end of the barrel, and
then run a fresh chamber in the or chamber riamer
in there. But now it turns out my local gunsan said,
we'll have you checked to see if they blew out
the body taper on that one. I did. They did,
so now the entire chamber is too fat.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
It's like a new barrel eight.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Yeah, three thirty eight out six modified less soon to.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Become a thirty out six. Yeah. Coming to a rifle
near you. Speaking of cool rifles, let's go talk with
Ron and Reno. Hey, Ron, you are another two eighty
four fan, I hear.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
Yes, I've had two eighty fours for a long, long
long time. I've got h three Winchesters to model one
hundreds and I'm all lady eight eight yeah yeah. And
then also I had bolt stainless bolt bled by schill
(03:26):
in uh, and I use them for a little bit
of everything. I use the one hundreds, use the one
hundreds for varmuts and for antelope, and the eighty eight
I used for deer and deer, and then then the
bolt I used for for elk.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
How did you get started with two eighty fours?
Speaker 6 (03:54):
Well, my dad, my dad, but a too eighty four
gosh a long long long time ago, and uh, and
he just handed it over to me. And I've since
(04:15):
picked up another one and the eighty eight along with
the brold action.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, I have to assume that you're handloading.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Yes, I do.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
I handloaded, Uh, basically almost all my ammo. But I
do have a ton of Winchester one hundred and fifty grain.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
One hundred and fifty gree power point. That was the
only ammo out there.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
Yeah, I got a ton of it. Yeah, but I
loaded like for for viarmants and stuff, one hundred and
thirty nine grains and uh he was one hundred and
fifty four deer and one hundred and sixty two and
seventy five per oak.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
For those who don't know, let me go over the basics.
Two eighty four Winchester is about forty year old cartridge now,
and it has a rebated rim. So what they did
is that the rim size says the same as a
three eight or two forty three, but they made the
body of it fatter so they could get more powder
in it. The idea originally was to have a short
action rifle that would duplicate the ballistics of a two
(05:21):
seventy and it went over like a lead balloon. Nobody
wanted it, and it didn't go anywhere until the wildcatters
started playing with it. Took took it down to sixty
five and they made the sixty five two eighty four,
which became a real popular competition gun long range shooting.
And then they figured out that burned out barrels like crazy.
(05:41):
He says, well, what if we opened it up to
seven millimeter? Oh yeah, that was what the original two
eighty four was. So that's what they're doing in competition
now using the original two eighty four.
Speaker 7 (05:54):
I like it.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
It's really really a good gun. I really, I really do.
I've had and I've got a ton of guns, but
I liked it too. Eighty four, I really do.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
That is terrific. Well, look, I appreciate the call. It's uh,
you know, it takes one to no one the rifle
Looni's out here like us. We like these weird things
like two eighty fours and three thirty eight out six
is and all. Thanks Ron. I appreciate that the uh,
the two eighty four has the ballistic because people are wondering, well,
what's it like. It is essentially like a two eighty
(06:25):
Rimmington somewhere kind of between a two eighty and a
two eighty actually improved shooting the same bullets at about
the same speed one hundred and forty hundred and fifty
grain bullet at twenty nine hundred feet per second basically
just does everything it's supposed to do. But then again, yeah,
Michelle's kind of like saying, well, isn't it about like
a three or eight? Yes? Isn't it about like a
thirty out six? Yes? Isn't it about like a two seventy? Yes?
Speaker 3 (06:46):
But how similar is it to a six y five
or six Creed More?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
It's about that much more?
Speaker 3 (06:53):
Sorry, I just had to go there.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
Yeah, they all are so similar or you can't find
any daylight between them, right.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
And finding the ammunition on those nowadays is particularly hard.
So I know he said he has a ton, but
reloading is key with these guns.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yes, if you're going to get some weird thing like
a two eighty four Winchester or a three thirty eight
Dots six, you better be a handloader because you're I mean,
with the exception of HSM, we had them on the
show today and they actually make two eighty four. I
actually did not know they did, and I don't know
of anybody else that makes two eighty four MMO, So.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
No, they don't do custom orders, right, you can't order
it from them if you need it or is it
just distribution.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
I heard parts of that interview, but not everything.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I don't know if it's in stock. You know how
it is. Sometimes they'll do like a run and they'll
have a supply and then when they run out there
out until next year kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Right, Yeah, come may you better be looking for your
dear mo because a deer season it's not there.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Oh, you'll be delighted to hear this. I have been
looking and looking and looking for some primers and men.
Is it weird? There's no particular reason for it, but
I wanted Winchester large rifle primers. Good luck, right, you know,
And there's CCI is out there, and you got some
SMB and some others, but I just couldn't find any Winchesters.
(08:15):
And then something weird happened last week. On a couple
of the websites that popped up, they had Winchester large
rifle primers. So I mean, yes, please, and I ordered
five thousand of them.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Whoa you get to order five thousand?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
They let me. They didn't know any better, And the
next day they were gone everywhere, and I got my
five thousand in wow. So it's like, you know, that's
like a weekend's worth of shooting for me, right, like
three lifetimes. But that's okay.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
You would passing them out for trick or treat treats.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Oh, that would go over really well.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
A couple dozen shoulders, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Okay, So all right, Michelle, I got to ask you,
since you know you've got the family that's been doing,
have you ever vacuumed up a primer?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Unfortunately, i'd have to say yes.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
And did it go off?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Yes, yeah, Yeah, it's a little exciting.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
It is really exciting when you vacuum up a primer.
Don't do that.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
And what's even more exciting is when maybe you've spilled them.
I don't know, I hear these things happen, but you know,
one accidentally goes into the trash can and that gets
you know.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
They go everywhere and they go, oh, you got a
burn barrel and the are in there, so yeah, yeah,
and they I mean, they don't it's like a little
it's not like popcorn going off. It's it's a loud bang.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
It's a love bang.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Oh man. Yeah, shag carpet and primers. Back in the
old old days, you can't find them in there. No,
just vacuum them up. You put on your safety gear.
Speaker 5 (09:55):
Let's go a good, good thing. You only have one
of those nowadays, the car shag carp.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Orange.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
And that's in my el Camino where Bill Clinton had
an al Camino, Was it, Daddy? Yes? And then he
talked about having AstroTurf in the back basically for his dates.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Classy guy. I was a Chevy fan until then.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Okay, let's see if Keith is still hanging around here
out in Houston. Hey, Keith, you're still there.
Speaker 7 (10:31):
I'm here.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
Oh yeah, we got you. Okay, let's see what's your
situation there, Steve. We can help you.
Speaker 7 (10:38):
So I've got an old Stevens side by side sixteen
gays that belonged to my grandfather, and I was looking.
It's got a little bit of problem with the lever
that you moved to break it open. It it swings
past the ninety degrees far over right, and I was
looking for somebody that maybe could could repair it on
that all time. I actually called the juries in San
(11:00):
Antonio and talked to against Smith over there, but he
said he couldn't get parts for it anymore. So I
was curious if you might know somebody that worked in
old shotguns and good point in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
As it turns out, we just might have an idea
for you, Michelle.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Yes, so, Keith.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
My husband is a gunsmith, he and his dad, and
they've been doing it for many, many years. I know
that we're not in the state of Texas, but it's
possible if you would like, we could give you a
call and see if we can't help you out.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
Okay, I'd be happy to have that call. You might
could answer some other questions I have just about it,
you know, the age of the gun and it's safe
to shoot and that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Absolutely, okay, I got I got one other idea for
you here.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
And you're in Houston, right, Yes, sir, are you familiar
with Briley the people that make the shotgun jokes?
Speaker 7 (11:57):
Say that again.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Briley, they may choke tube shotguns. Well also okay, Well
they're in Houston and they also do gunsmithing on shotguns.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
Oh nice, Okay, can you spell that for me?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
E R I L E Y. And if you let
me see if I can find out now they may
or may not be able to work on something like that.
But here's what I'm thinking. Because they are in the
shotgun world, they may if they don't do it, they
may know somebody in your area who works on these
(12:34):
old guns. And there it's usually it's like the old
decrepit guy in the corner and go, yeah, I think
he's still alive over there. Let's just nudge him a
little bit and see if he moves right.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I thought he was still doing.
Speaker 7 (12:51):
But the history of the gun a little bit too,
just you know, the age of it and based on
the model and the markets that are on it and
that kind of thing too.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
So mm hmm, well that it's kind of fun. And
you know those old shotguns that have a usually a
lot of character to them. And I'm pretty sure the
fact that the top tang lever is moving past where
it's supposed to it may not be a case of
parts and maybe somebody's going to have to actually manufacture
(13:19):
apart for you, but there's somebody out there who.
Speaker 7 (13:21):
Can do that, right, Okay, thank you.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
You bet.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I mean I'm looking at Brightley now Custom Gunsmithing. Yeah,
they got all sorts of stuff they do there, which
leads me to we'll go ahead, let you go. Keith
I appreciate that. I appreciate the call and hope that
helps out. And Michelle, you've got his number so you
can get a hold of him. Yes, I had an
(13:47):
overnunder that I sent down to Brightley. It was a
parazzi live pigeon gun, had super tight chokes in it,
and it was made for live pigeon shooting, competition shooting,
and so I mean they have to have super tight shokes. Well,
I couldn't hit anything with that. And so sit down
to Briley and they put choke tubes in the great
(14:08):
and I said, well, I also like to have the
gun fitted to me. And they said, we got a
guy down here who does that kind of work. So
it's okay.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
So I had my measurements and sent to their guy
and I gave him the measurements. He was going to
bend the stock for me and all that, and he
said me, about a month. A month goes by, don't
hear from him, Another month goes by, do on here front,
Another month goes by, don't hear from him. Find that call,
he said, John spent three months. Man. He said, well,
(14:34):
so I've been trying to work up the courage to
call you and go this does not sound yes, he said, well,
you know that beautiful piece of wood on your stock
in your forearm? He said, the dog ate your forearm.
I said what he said, Yeah, my daughter put her
(14:55):
dog in my workroom and the dog got your forearm
and it down to the medal, just like he said. So,
I'm searching for one, and I contacted parazzi in the
US and they don't have one. Of contacted parazzi in
Italy and they don't have one, he says. He says,
don't worry. He says, I've got a custom stock maker
(15:18):
in Oregon who is right now making you a new
forearm for your shotgun. And at his expense. Sure, I
mean he took care of the whole thing. I said, well, John,
I only really have I mean, you're taking care of
me and I appreciate that, but I really only have
one question. He said, Yeah, what's that? I said, Well,
where did you bury the dog?
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Nice that coming?
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Dogs should have too.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
And I don't know if this will help Keith and not,
but there are there are users groups on social media
and stuff for Steven's rifles and shotguns. You may be
able to find out a little bit about the history
of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Okay, very good, all right, I know you've got something
you need to tell us about. But let's take a
break and we'll come back and then, uh, that's a
little bit news.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
That's your industry term. Tease.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
It's just like I don't know where we're going, so
I have to lay out a map here because otherwise
I get lost.
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Speaker 1 (17:01):
All right, we're back. Thanks so much, guys. You guys
have a great week.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Take care.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
Awesome. Man, that's a sharp segment right there, baby, that
might be our shortest of aggression. There you go. Okay,
jam actually got a cool thing to tell us that.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
This is pretty cool, buddy mind. John Grafting said, Hey, Jim,
but you're you're involved in gun talks, still right, I said, yeah,
they haven't canned me yet, but I'm still there. He said, hey,
check this out and tell me what you think. And
I said, okay. So the Zenobia Shriners, which are sure
you're familiar with Shriners and the work work they do
across the nation, well, the Toledo chapter of Shiners is
(17:36):
having their Sportsman's Extravaganza, which you can enter online, by
the way, and if you go to two try let's
start that again. If you go to Shrine Sportsmen dot
com the plural of man so Shrine Sportsmen dot com,
they have ninety guns that they're raffling off and yeah,
(18:01):
ten five hundred dollars cash prizes, so one hundred and
one winners.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
You do not need to be present to win.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
So check that out if you would, and help out
some kids in the meantime and maybe win yourself a
gun or five hundred bucks in cash, which you'll buy
you about thirty rounds of three thirty eight out six
improved not even.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Shrine Sportsmen Plural dot.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
Com correct Shrine sports Person.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
First prize is a week with Jim Kinsey at the Rains.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
That last prize is two weeks and it gets worse.
So yeah, check that out, help out a good cause
and maybe you just have win yourself some cool guns
or some cash.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
Either way.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Well, and obviously the Shriners just do wonderful things for kids,
you know, the hospitals and all.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
So yeah, that's if it was just some local club,
I don't think we would have been plugging it, would we.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Nope, nope, nope. But this is a good one. So okay,
I'm gonna give you that one more time, Shrine Sportsmen
dot Com. Yep, there you.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
Go, Thank you sir, Thank you John.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yes, Michelle, are things started to heat up around there
as far as people shopping and getting ready for the seasons.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Well, we're in full swing of archery and you know,
very similar to how it goes down for rifle or
shotgun people. You know, pre planning is not always the best.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
So a lot.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Of strings and cables and all that type of thing
that are frantically being processed as quickly as we can.
So yeah, things are definitely getting out there. People are
recognizing ammunition shortages, so they're gobbling you know, not one
or two boxes, but maybe four or more if it's
on the shelf. So kudos to some of those people
(19:44):
that are preparing.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
And are you Are you seeing shortages right now.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
And on some things yes, yeah, and others not. You know,
like we've recently you know, seven meg and three hundred
and three thirty eight, some of that stuff is back
out there. It might not be the cheapest because holy folks,
knock your socks.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Off price ninety bucks for a box of seven.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Mag Yeah, but that's I mean, and that's not even yeah,
it's it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
It's definitely a commitment.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
So it's time for you start those reloading classes.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
If you're just gonna say reloading, but then you know
you need those large pistol primers that Tom picked up,
I mean large rifle primers, sorry, large large rifle primers.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Yeah. So but yeah, it's it definitely.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
It's happening, and you could use some reloading if you
can find the components to be able to do.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
So and know how mm hmmm, because there's definitely skill.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I'm seeing people report shortages and some powders it's like,
you know, Reliver twenty two and Reliver twenty six. Yeah,
some of those are hard to find. And what people
don't understand is like they say, well, you know Hodgdon
does this. Hodgston just brings powder in basically. And so
even like within Alliant or reloading reload powders, there's some
(21:12):
are made in the US, some are made in Scotland,
some are Maidens Switzerland. They're made all over the world, right,
and they have different names in other parts of the world.
Like our Australian buddies will go, well, that's a double
A six two seven. I go, I don't know what
this is. They said, oh, yeah, that's re latter or
twenty two where you are. Oh okay, So just understand
(21:33):
that we're it is truly a global market for this stuff.
And you know, we kept being told there was going
to be a shortage of some sort because of all
the military use of powders and nitrocellulos, and we maybe
started to see the front edge of.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
That, the front edge, okay was.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
I I didn't actually sell that right that I And
you're thinking, okay, we're just well into it at this
point if you just figured it out, where the heck
have you been?
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Right right there?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
It is, but it is going to get worse. I mean,
they're they're predicting that, so you know, stand by your
wallets if you you know, if you can buy it,
now buy it.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
And that's not a sales strategy. That is just a
half what you need strategy.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
But if not, learn how to reload from somebody that's reputable,
because that's vitally important.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
You know. And here's the thing. People say, well, you
know it's going to cost me like four hundred bucks
to buy all my reloading gear. Yeah, okay, you know what,
you can go in on that with like two.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Other buddies, right, and how many different calibers can you
reload with?
Speaker 7 (22:41):
You know?
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Yeah, I mean it's like, okay, we're going to all
go together. We're going to buy a bunch of primers together,
and you know, you can all have your individual cases
and bullets for your particular your rifle, whatever you're loading.
But the reality is you can share that reloading gear
with somebody which dies ye yeah, you have your own dies,
(23:06):
or you share if you're all shooting the same thing.
It's but it's not a bad way to go. You think, well,
let's just cut the price of the initial cost of
getting into this significantly. The other part of it is
reloading together is kind of a fun get together in
the evening. You can all get together. Let's make some mammo.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
And you don't have to buy top of the line.
By the way, you can do single press stuff with.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
A rock checker.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Oh my gosh, that's our.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Favorite press ever.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Sorry, we have others, but that's our favorite.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Is a single stage if our CBS rock chucker press.
You can do it all with that. You don't need
to go any further than that.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
Honestly, rifle pistol, it does not matter, right, that's the
thing to take into consideration, right, it's how many different
calibers can you reload? So yeah, the initial expense is
high down the road in ten years, depending on how
much you shoot.
Speaker 4 (23:57):
Maybe not if you do Tom's group idea too.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
And if you know, guy falls out after a while
lack of interest to the ability or whatever, the other
guys can buy them out or let somebody else buy in,
and right, little community.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Thing schedule it out. Right, there's a calendar, and.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
It's not that hard to learn, but it does require
you to pay attention to detail. And a lot of
gun stores and ranges have classes on reloading or how
to get into it.
Speaker 6 (24:25):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
So you don't just top off the case with the
powder and jam.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I like to have a big bucket of powder and
just dip the case in there.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Yeah. Well when you're smoking, you're smoking. When you're doing
all this.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Right while you're pumping gas for your car.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Pumping gas, smoking while reloading on your trump.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I mean, it's the situation.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
So fifteen, it's.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
In a lightning storm. I mean, let's make it fun
wearing brass boots. It's actually I like the reloading. It
is a form of therapy for me because I can
really concentrate on that and not looking any think about
anything else. And I don't like to have on anything.
I like to have on music or TV or anything else.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Got a boy, Yeah, Well, and it becomes its own
hobby and as such, just as addictive as shooting can be,
because you can specialize and make the load yours and
what works out of your rifle the best. Even if
somebody else down the road has a Remington seven hundred,
that doesn't mean it's going to shoot the same load
the same way. So it's just such great handwork I guess,
(25:35):
to go along with the shooting.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
That just makes it even more accurate.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
And if you happen to have, you know, an old
funky rifle from your dad, granddad, whatever, you had a
caliber you know you got a three h three British
or you know you got an infield you gotta whatever
it is, something weird like a two fifty seven Roberts
like I love. Well, you may be able to find
ami for it. Man, you can make that thing just
(25:59):
stand up up and sing when you can handload.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Right.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Well, if you figure a box of ammunition is let's
just say it's fifty dollars for easy mathing, right, four
boxes of that is two hundred.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Bucks slowed down and slowed down.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
You could very easily purchase a rock Chucker for a
little bit more than that, potentially if you get a
kit or you know, however you purchase it. But when
you start thinking about it in terms of how many
rounds you're going to shoot, it's not that expensive.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Ten boxes get your money back issally right right.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Well, I was talking to Joel Hodgton, who now is
doing PR marketing for our CBS, because Hodgten bought our CBS,
and I said something about rock Chucker. I said, you know,
these things are indestructible. They just last forever. He says, well, actually,
he says, there are a few parts that can wear on.
I'm thinking, how much would you have to load on
a rock chucker to wear out anything on that? It's
(26:53):
like saying I wore out my anvil.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Really, I mean that's not how much wood would a
wood chuck chuck thing?
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah? Really, I mean because they are just built like
a vault or a tank or something incredible.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Yeah, And you know, be careful because I know sometimes
you can find some great deals at garage sales. And
I'm not saying don't take advantage of that, but sometimes
some of these old air quotes, old presses aren't interchangeable
with today's plates and dies.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Oh so okay, well, of course now dye diameter, they're screwed.
There is pre standard. There are two sizes, but you
can get a bushing to work in there. But pretty
much all the dies will fit in most of the presses.
And I like reading as well. I think Ready makes
really good stuff, So I like rcbs and reading. And
(27:44):
you know who makes some good stuff that's less expensive.
It's Lee. The Lee dies are very good and often
less expensive. So you do some shopping around and to
your point about finding you stuff. Every time I look
on like Facebook, Marketplace or something, there are people selling
dies like crazy because they've gotten the gotten rid of
that gun or whatever. And you know, all of a sudden,
(28:06):
you know those guys that would be eighty bucks in
a store or selling for thirty dollars, right, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
So with the presses, am I thinking wrong? Aren't there
some older presses that you can't use or maybe you
can't interchange the calibers from maybe they're caliber specific.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
There's something.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
If they are progressives where they have a plate that rotates.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
On them shelf, you may not be able to get.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
The shelf plate on that. But if they're single stage,
they should be just as good now as they were
back then. You're just screwing a die in and taking
it back out. It shouldn't be Okay.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I have to do some thinking on that one.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Yeah, I figure out what that is, because I'm sure
you're right. And there's an area that I'm just not
thinking of. I can't remember. But you know, you have
a whole host of experts that are hanging around you,
so you can ask everybody.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yep, well, at any rate. Reloading is the way to go, for.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
Sure, it is. And it's fun. I mean, I love
hanging out. I've spent a couple or three hours loading
AMMO and going I have to go shoot it then.
And that's the only thing.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
You know, bomber No, I thought you guys just you know,
joined up with other reloaders so you could validate your geekdom.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Well, you could just load AMMO and then pull the
bullets and the powder out and do it again and again.
That way just stood over again.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Gotta love the kinetic bullet pullers.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Oh gosh, I was doing that the other day. It's basically,
it's a hammer and you put your cartridge in it
and holds it by the back end and you whack
it on a table until the inertia of the bullet
actually pulls the bullet out of the mouth of the case.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
What and it dumps the powder if you put powder
in it.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yes, yes, yes, But I learned a trick. You know
that goofy little holder that snaps around the back of
the case with the little rubber o ring on that
kinetic puller. Don't use that. I mean, this is gonna
sound so stupid, like I can't believe. Yes, you shouse
rug your shollholder. Yeah, it works finding her. So I
(30:10):
was the last personal planet Earth to learn this. Clearly,
everybody's going you didn't know that. Come on, that's all
we ever do here. I've been fooding around with that
stupid over ring thing for all these years, and somebody says,
you know, you could just use the shelfolder you you
already have for this. Sorry you didn't tell me that, Michelle, geez.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
And it's really not that funny, but it is kind
of funny.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
Well, it is kind of funny because you think it's
when it's somebody else, it's funny, right thinking.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
So you're the dude who's been fumbling around with that
for all these years. That was me.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
I'm the guy.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
All I know is it can keep your children busy
for quite a while if you.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Have help, this is true.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
And be careful about pouring your powder out. Oh you
pour it back into the container you got it from.
So if you get reloader seventeen, make sure it goes
back in Reloader seventeen. Case you got to be fanatical
about that.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Well, and I know several people that have purchased reloads
and then their only intention is to get the brass
and potentially the bullets, right, because this is exactly what
they plan on doing. They plan on taking everything apart
and doing it their way with their powder. Because you
really have no idea when you're purchasing these reloads unless
(31:29):
it's from somebody that's like, really vetted exactly what you're getting,
So be careful of that too.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
I will not shoot reloads from somebody I don't know
really well, just will not do it. Like I said, well,
take them apart, and here's what I'm going to do.
I'm going to pull the bullet, save the bullet, have
the case with the primary in it, and I'm going
to throw away the powder.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yep, because I don't.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
Know what the powder is. He can tell me what
it is, and you can't even tell by just looking
at it. Right, So it makes good fertilizer.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Though, yes it does.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
I was just going to say, No, loaders aren't like dealers,
are they were? Hey, kid, the first box is free
just to buy this stuff.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
None that I know.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
I would. I would love to find that guy, because
I mean I would say, oh, sure that sounds great, sir,
I will take the first one for free.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
I got this three thirty eight oh six.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
Oh they never have that.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
That ain't happened, man, lordy, I don't know what's gonna
happen with this. I've got a new set of dies
coming for the three thirty eight out six improved, and
we'll see how that works. I mean, it could work
out great, and this thing could shoot to rip. I
mean even shooting the fire farming the cases. Michelle, I'm
getting like intention of quarter groups one hundred yards out
(32:47):
of the.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Trifle, you know.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
But by the time you have your loads ready, you're
gonna have to get a new barrel.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
That's trying worn it out. How you shot out my barrel.
But I'm using soft boots, so they don't really wear well.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
It's just like you're two eighty four's and all those others.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
That's right. If you heat up the bullets, they get
softer before you shoot them. I think something like that.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
Slightly smaller diameter than called for sure, you got a
little little.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
By But okay, Jim, have you ever heard of paper
patched bullets?
Speaker 5 (33:17):
I have, actually, well, paper patch bullets or shotgun shelves.
No bullets, Well, then no, let me retract that and
retort has paper.
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Really, Yes, they take the bullet and wrap it in paper,
particularly muscloaders.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Right yep lets you give them more tighter fit to
take up the rest of the diameter.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
From the bullet so it's not sloppy in there, and then.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
It acts as a pressure seal between the powder and
the okay wow.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
And then there was one of the early I think
it was the very first Stephen Hunter novel. Yes and
the bad Guys and had the good guy, uh, Bobby
Swagger shoot it some targets way out like a thousand yards,
and they recovered the bullets shot from his gun and
(34:10):
then they paper patched them and loaded them in somebody
else's rifle so they would have the rifling from Swagger's
rifle so that when they identify it, they said, this
bullet was fired from your gun to try to assassinate
the president. What a cool idea. It's very gun Geekyo.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
Want to going through the next rifle to give it
its own marks as well?
Speaker 1 (34:34):
I don't know, and it might, but it still is
a good story.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Yeah, that's a great story, you know.
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I mean in South we always say we never let
the truth get in a way of a good story.
So there you go.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
Love it.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
Alrighty go vote?
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Will you register, register and vote or shut the hell up?
There it is. I'm sorry if it offends people, I
am happy about that. Maybe it'll get you off your
rear yep. So there you go. All right, guys, I'm
trying to think maybe by next week I will have
new dyes and have loaded it up and we're going
(35:10):
to find out if this mystery goofy rifle is going
to work for me or if it has to go
out for surgery. I may have my own range report.
We'll see.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Well, hopefully you don't have to go out for surgery.
That's a lot of shooting. I have one of those
past pass yep yep shaped.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Even with produced loads, if you've got to go out
and shoot forty or fifty out, which is what I
was doing England, it starts to work on you for
a while.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
All right, guys, have a great week.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
We'll catch you next time for the gun Talk after show.
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