In This Hour:
-- With the introduction of higer pressure and high velocity loads for the 6.5 Creedmoor, Federal changes the world of rifle shooting -- perhaps in ways we can hardly imagine. Josh Vickers runs down the new ammo, how it works, and hints at more to come.
-- Outdoor Life, Sports Afield, Field & Stream. What happened to the old outdoor magazines?
-- The higher velocity of Federal's new ammo allows the use of shorter barrels, which makes it more convenient to use suppressors.
Gun Talk 06.08.26 Hour 1
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-- With the introduction of higer pressure and high velocity loads for the 6.5 Creedmoor, Federal changes the world of rifle shooting -- perhaps in ways we can hardly imagine. Josh Vickers runs down the new ammo, how it works, and hints at more to come.
-- Outdoor Life, Sports Afield, Field & Stream. What happened to the old outdoor magazines?
-- The higher velocity of Federal's new ammo allows the use of shorter barrels, which makes it more convenient to use suppressors.
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(01:12):
Of course we like to talk about the Second Amendment
and gun rights and everything else, but we also like
to talk about guns and AMMO and cool stuff. Well,
something just happened a couple of days ago. That's one
of the more exciting things I've seen in fifty plus
years of doing this journey. Right now to talk about
that is Josh Vickers from Federal Characters. Josh, you guys
(01:33):
just made this massive announcement. I mean you had something
out like a year ago with the seventh back Country,
but holy cow, you want to explain what just happened
On Friday?
Speaker 5 (01:42):
We launched six five creed More plus Peak and you
know what that is, in a nutshell, is we're taking
standard sixty five creed more dimensional cases and applying our
Peak alloy technology to it. So really, in a nutshell,
what we're doing is given the six to five creed
more some jet fuel.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
All right, So the Peak alloy technology, it's a different
kind of material to make the rifle cartridge case. And
you did that with the back count, and we aut said, okay,
well you've done this at a separate cartridge to keep
anybody from putting that in their rifles. But evidently we
were not correct on that. Because this is an actual,
real sixty five creed More cartridge. You can put it
(02:20):
in your existing six y five creed More rifle, and
yet it's generating somewhere around eighty thousand PSI as opposed
to the sixty five thousand standard. How can you do that?
How can we put that in our gun and not
blow it up?
Speaker 6 (02:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Yeah, right, and that's a common question we get. So, yeah,
utilizing the strength of that peak alloy case technology. You
know what that ultimately does is that it makes your
case or the case, the peak alloy case kind of
the pressure vessel, so it kind of takes the forces
away from the rifle per se by you know, the
strength of the case.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Okay, So I mean really can take this and put
it in my existing sixty five creed More and shoot
it and get We're not talking about just a little
bit more velocity. We're talking about a substantial increase in velocity.
In fact, it actually leap frogs the sixty five PRC.
You're getting velocities out of a creed More they're faster
(03:21):
than out of a standard PRC.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Yeah yeah, and you know, and that's you know again,
that goes back to the beauty of the peak ally
case technology and allowing us to run to those higher pressures.
You know what we're saying, you know, and on average
is what you'll see on our packaging is three hundred
feet per second faster for a lake bullet, you.
Speaker 7 (03:38):
Know, going from peak.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Alloy from brass case creed More and one hundred feet
faster than sixty five PRC for the like bullets they
are one thirty terminal set.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
We shot some out of an eighteen inch barrel using
one hundred and thirty grain bullet, and we were getting
three thousand feet per second out of an eighteen inch
barrel with a creed More, not a PRC with a
creed More.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
And then of course some people are gonna want shorter
barrels as they go short and short used in comps.
So you you basically are going to get full velocity
out of a much shorter barrow.
Speaker 7 (04:14):
With this correct correct you know, and that and that
just goes back.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
You know, the modern Western hunter, you know, is always
looking for a shorter and more compact system the way
they can run suppressors. And so really this is this
is really going to be a sweet, sweet round for
those guys that like that six to five caliber.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I'm thinking about this. You know, obviously, this is a technology.
It's not a cartridge. So this technology can be applied
to any number of cartridges. You essentially are magnimizing standard cartridges.
I mean you've created a six' five magnum in the
just out of a regular six five Creed more.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
Rifle, yeah and keep it in a short.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Action so clearly the next question is how about other.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Calibers, YEAH i MEAN i you, know we're we're always
thinking about the future and what we're going to, do
and and you know WHAT i can say right now
is you, know we're we're in full support and fully
behind the peak alloy, technology and we're looking we'll be
looking to expand here over the.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Years so IF i just imagining, that IF i took
that same technology and what you're doing with, that put
it into a thirty out, Six i'm going to have
a three hundred magnum or maybe even vosities beyond a
three hundred. Magnum so people are not going to have
to buy necessarily a new rifle to get a.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Magnum LIKE i, said that just goes back to the
beauty of the peak alley and what potential it, carries you,
know in what it can do for more calibers in the.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Future, okay SO i can see that there's not a
problem in a bolt, gun But i'm thinking about. Semiautos
how does this affect the bolt?
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Velocity so right, now you know we're what we've been
working through all the gas guns out. There you, know
ultimately you're gonna have to check with your firearm. Manufacture
and that's what we're going to say about all this in.
General you can always reference our website as well for you,
know the updated list of gun companies that have adopted
this and that we've worked, with and so that that's
(06:09):
a good starting point as far as that.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
Goes but WHAT i can say from our testing here.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Is that we've been we've been on power and doing
well with it in short barrel or gas guns.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Atually, okay and gas guns they're. Working, okay what's the
cost of THE MS i, mean it's going to be
considerably more expensive than you, know REGULAR.
Speaker 7 (06:26):
Ammo, nope it won't.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Be, actually it's going to be priced in lines you,
KNOW i would say somewhere right now in between you,
know six' five creed more and six five P.
Speaker 7 (06:35):
R c so you know it's going to depend on
where you.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Purchase it but, it'll be it'll land somewhere in there
in terms of, you know price to.
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Brass, pieces wow.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Reloaders are going to ask about. THE cases i want
to call, it brass but it's actually it's a it's
a steel an, alloy steel isn't?
Speaker 7 (06:53):
It, correct yep it's a. Steel alloy are we going
to get that? For, reloaders yep you and you'll be
able to look, for it. You know and we're working
with a lot of reloading manufacturers right now.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
To get ahead, of THAT so i would you, know
again just like the, gun manufacturers you can reach out
to your favorite reloading company and see what. They, have
otherwise keep tabs on our website and we'll keep an
updated list of.
Speaker 7 (07:16):
All the people who will be.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
LAUNCHING products i am guessing we probably should add. Right,
here look just because we're going, to say, all right
here's some loads you can use and crank it up
to EIGHTY thousand psi and it's safe in. Your gun
the critical part is you cannot do that with your existing. Brass, cases, correct.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Correct Yep you we definitely won't want to do that
in your. Brass case we'll get a lot of head
flow and set back primers and, you know the traditional
signs of.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
High PRESSURE as i look, At this i'm thinking the
six to Five creed More and i'm just going to
throw out normally call it twenty seven hundred feet. Per
second now we're at, three thousand and you start applying
that technology across. The board why would anybody want standard
ammunition that is three hundred feet per? Second?
Speaker 5 (08:04):
SLOWER yeah I mean i, would say, you know there
will still be a place, For IT and i, actually think,
you know it makes it more universal because not everybody
is going to want super. High performance and say you're traditional,
you know six five freed more terminal assent.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
Or power shock or whatever your favorite, load.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Is shoots fine and gets a job done, for YOU
then i would say that customer.
Speaker 7 (08:25):
Doesn't necessarily need this to soup.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Up advantage but like, you know as you're probably well
aware Of the western hunter and the guys, you know
stretching it out that want a little bit more kinetic
energy and a flatter, shooting gun this. Is IT so,
i think, you know really you can look at this
as making the six to five creed more more universal as. A, WHOLE.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Yeah i want to hear you tell, Guy, that yeah
you can get a four hundred horse power truck or
three hundred horse power truck for the. Same, price yeah
there's a real reason you want the. THREE hundred i don't.
THINK so.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
I doubt. I, DOUBT.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I know can you apply this technology to handgun cartridges?
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Right now that that's not something CURRENTLY that i don't
think we're, working ON.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
But i want, you know you never know what might
happen in.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
The, Future yeah i'm thinking about a nine. MILIMETER magnum,
i mean there's just all sorts of things that could.
To mind, all right we ought to spin, around too
like several, days ago fed or just sign an agreement
With The United states army to basically license or use
this technology for cartridges used In. The army you want
to talk about that and what the possibilities.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
May, BE yeah, i mean you know that that was
a huge win for us and we're super EXCITED and,
i think, you know ultimately what that shows is you
know what what this technology is capable of and how
much you know we're investing into it for. THE future
i know that was, you know some of the big
hurdles with the Seven back country is to support its.
New technology so for the consumer looking, at that going, oh,
(09:52):
no great they're gonna, you know just fully. Support that
we're still going to try to, support everything and we're
super excited and we're only looking to expand as you.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Go forward i'm, just, thinking okay we can. Go faster
but the other question is is? It accurate how is
it testing?
Speaker 7 (10:08):
For?
Speaker 5 (10:08):
You, now yeah, so far all of our accuracy that
we've shot and what the customer should expect is is
nothing less than, you know our normal federal.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Premium standard so.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Everybody's thinking, Right, now okay let's see more vasty roughly the.
Same price WHEN can i? Get?
Speaker 7 (10:25):
It yep so we'll Be shipping, august first.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Just in time for. Hunting, season yep.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
Just in time for, hunting season.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
You know and part, of that, you know customers can,
look for, you know we we've added some, you know
heavier for caliber, type.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
Bullets like like like what you would see in SIXTY.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Five prc so we'll have we'll be offering one hundred
and thirty Grain terminal ascent one hundred and fifty three
grains here a tip to match king one hundred and
fifty five grain, fusion tips which is new and it
is a, great product a One Six Burger, elite hunter
and then those people looking for a, monolithtic.
Speaker 7 (11:00):
Offering we'll have a one TWENTY. Seven.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Rx wow that's a heck of a. Nice, lineup okay
so it's not. Out YET so i want to be
one of, the first not, The first i'm sure. To,
say okay, that's GREAT but i want you to bring
out some other.
Speaker 7 (11:13):
Calibers, Too okay, oh yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
You're not you're definitely not.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
The first.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Uh is there any chance we would see any other
cartridges brought out?
Speaker 7 (11:24):
This year likely not for. This, Year, no.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Okay you gotta get this thing. Running, first.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
Yep yep we'll get this one going and getting off,
the ground.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
All right so start from. The beginning what is? It
called it.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
Is called six' five creed more plus peak.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Plus peak peak RATHER. THAN plus p i.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
Love it exactly you have a little play, On, words.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
There WELL this, is i mean the word game changer is,
used a lot and usually. IT'S not applicable i think
in this case. It REALLY is and i can. Just
see this, OH oh OH i don't i got to ask
you any talk about possibly license this TECHNOLOGY to? Other
ammo companies.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
Uh not at not.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
At this time you never know what the, future might
hold but right now we're keeping this technology tight.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
To the chest and who? Can, blame, you, yeah no
truly this is changing a. Lot of things and the
fact that you can now have a magnum in, your
regular rifle don't have, to rebarrel it don't have, to
do anything JUST put different ammo in it and go
out and cite it in, check it out and the
drop tables are going to be different obviously because you've.
Got different, velocity but man. THIS is exciting i. Cannot
believe it you guys have knocked it out of the park.
Speaker 7 (12:29):
With, this, one yeah no we're.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
We're super excited and we know that, that you know there's
obviously lots.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
And lots of Sixty five creed, moores out there.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
So we're looking forward to the customers getting in their
hands and getting those, you gripping grins.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
And you know what's. Going to happen this is also
going to cost a lot of people to go out
and buy a new six To five. Creed more rifle.
Speaker 7 (12:46):
That's always, a, Good thing right we all need.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
This, is true right we need to be selling more
guns as well, As, more ammo right any excuse providing.
A New, gun josh vickers thank. YOU so much i.
Appreciate your time real exciting stuff Coming. Out from, federal
all right don't, Go Far people gun talk will. Be
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Rubber buck. Two Gun Talk. I'm tom gresh lots to,
talk about, today and yeah there's some second a member
of stories we need, to talk about and we'll. Get
to those and of course we'll, take your calls your mench.
Your range reports if your's a bit out of the range.
Doing little shooting got, a new gun maybe you got.
AN old gun. I don't care we'll just give. Me
a call we'll. Talk about it but the big story
(16:12):
is when. WE just announced i knew. THIS was coming
i teased. IT last, week i said you got a
tune end because there's, something BIG coming and i want
to make sure everybody understands AT least what i, think
about this AND that, is I think. AND i'll try i
have not wanted to go to, hyperbole A lot but
(16:34):
i really do think this technology may be the biggest
thing to happen to ammunition since the advent. Of, smokeless powder,
seriously smokeless power gave us a whole. Lot more velocity
they Gave us our. Martred rifle cartridges what you have
(16:57):
now and there are more questions than are. Answers right
now But you got federal introducing the sixty five creed
more in what they. Call plus peak they're using a
different material to make. The rifle cases, it's not brass
it's actually. A seal alloy and look they did. This
(17:20):
last year they brought up the sublimeter back country and
with that they were able to go to eighty thousand
pounds per square edge pressure. In, the case now your
typical rifle cartridge is in the sixty to, sixty two
thousand maybe as much as sixty. Five thousand psi when
you could crank that up, to eighty thousand you, get
(17:43):
more velocity, simple as, that more. Pressure more velocity but
y'all simpre pressure, on your gun all. Things being equal but,
in this case all things are not equal because you're
not using a brass case that actually transfers most of
(18:03):
that pressure to. The rifle chamber you're using a steel
alloy case that, Contains the pressure it, holds the pressure
and so that's how they are able let's make sure.
Everybody's understanding this you don't need a new. Rifle for
this you can use your existing Sixty five creed more
(18:26):
rifle and put this ammunition in it and it will
RUN eighty thousand psi and your rifle won't. Know the
difference that's the. Important part here your rifle won't know
the difference in terms of pressure that's going to give
(18:46):
you depending, on the load somewhere around three hundred feet per.
Second more velocity that's moving from a standard cartridge to.
A magnum cartridge actually THE, sixty five prc which is.
The magnum verse you have the Six five creed more with.
A larger case this load In a creed more is
(19:06):
one hundred feet per second FASTER. Than the prc you're
probably getting right around this two sixty four win mag from.
Way way back pretty crazy what's. Going on here.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
And it.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Is completely interchangeable so if YOU'VE got an ar and
Sixty five creed more or a bolt gun and Six,
five creed more you just get. The same one put
it in and you. Get more velocity now you'll have
to cite it again because it's not. The same. Velocity
big deal you. CAN do that i asked THE question
when i was doing The, interview with josh is does
(19:49):
this BASICALLY make? Other ammo obsolete and, he said, no
NOT really and i think he's probably, right on that
but it does changed, things A lot and i think,
you'll see many many other cartridges brought. Out with. This
oh yeah one of the, questions we get and we're
gonna address this throughout. THE show today a lot of
(20:10):
questions is will it burn? Up my barrel will it
burn out? Barrels more quickly the answer right now. Is
probably not, BUT you know i hedged. A little bit
there's something else going on here and we're gonna talk
about that as, we go forward because we've got some other,
(20:31):
experts coming up and that is that we have new.
Barrels coming out there's a lot of technology coming out
kind of at the same time or maybe based on
this or, BECAUSE of this, i don't know but it's
happened at. The same time we're gonna have new barrels made.
Of different materials we already have new barrels with different.
(20:55):
Rifling twist rates and for this do you got to?
Go way back and this is coming out. Of proof
research if you, go way back you'll look up you'll
find reference to. Gain twist rifling that, is the rifling
the rate at which the spin goes, in your barrel,
(21:16):
of the rifling the cuts. In the barrel it starts
out with a slow twist rate and speeds up as
it goes, down the barrel so that the bullet when
it enters the barrel doesn't immediately go from no twists
to a one nine or one, and seven twists a
fast twist that imparts a lot of torque, on a
bullet and that causes. Pressures. To Spike well proof research
(21:42):
has SOMETHING called their, pxt barrel rifling and it's a
new version, of gain twist and it starts out with
a very slow twist rate and speeds up as the
bullet goes. Down, the bore well that reduces the initial,
Spike of pressure it reduces the torque of the bullet
(22:03):
and probably puts less stress. On the bullet it could
conceivably lead. To better accuracy we don't know yet a
lot of things, going on here but this is. Pretty
exciting stuff so the question is are you? Excited about
this would you like to have this kind of technology,
in other, cartridges other calibers, and if, so which ones
and would you be willing to use this six fike
(22:24):
feed more mo in your existing Six' five creed more
rifle number here. Is eight. Sixty Six Talk. Gun i'm
tom gresha. This is gun talk it's actually hit a
little bit hard to get my head around to the
idea that there's a new cartridge out that has magnum
(22:48):
velocity and power and yet you can shoot it. In
your existing rifle, you don't have to you don't have to.
Get a new rifle you don't have to. Buy a
magnum Rifle that's the new Federal six Fi creed more
plus peak. USING their cartridge case i have to be careful.
Always won't say brass and it's not because we. Call
(23:11):
cartridge cases, brass in this case it's. Not made of
brass it's made. Of a steel alloy and because, of
a steel alloy that's not like a regular steel cartridge,
case that, we know The old, the old russian ambo.
That kind of stuff it's. Not that at all it,
seals in the chamber, holds the pressure in doesn't doesn't
(23:37):
let the added pressure of the case go out. To
impact the rifle. This is so weird i'm. Just working
on this so you can shoot it in your existing
six five creed more and the rifle. Doesn't know the.
Difference it doesn't care what do you? Get out of
it you get more velocity except that maybe you don't think,
(24:01):
about it this way because this is. What's, really going
on okay this. Is what's driving this we have a move.
To shorter rifle barrels people want considered be shorter barrels
so they can put. Some pressures on them so if
you stick us, a pressure on it that's. What six
inches long and if you've got a, twenty four inch
(24:23):
barrel now you got a thirty inch barrel with. A
can on it that is unwieldy. To say the least
but what if you could cut that barrel back from twenty.
Four to, sixteen inches we can and you could put.
The pressure on it but when you cut six, inches
off the. Barrel you lose velocity we know this what the.
(24:46):
Plus peak cartridge does it lets you get back that
standard velocity. With A shorter barrel and i'm talking, about
really shorter barrels like, not just sixteen inches but and twelve. And,
ten inch barrels yeah a ten. Inch, barrel hunting rifle sure,
(25:07):
you'd have. To sbright big deal. It's a form one
doesn't cost. You any money anymore now you got the
super short rifle with a can and it's handy and you.
Can hunt with it oh but what? ELSE COULD. You
do o g you could use that. As yourself defense
gun you could have that as. Your home defense gun
(25:30):
an ar with a ten inch. Barrel with a can
but of course you didn't want to. Give up the
velocity now you don't, have to the military and we're
going to talk about this. In the next hour the
military has been doing, a lot, with this and yeah
they didn't STOP. At eighty thousand psi they. Can do
(25:51):
EXPERIMENTAL stuff think two. X, on the pressures yeah and
think about what you could do with that. In some
other calibers so the question, is if, somebody said all
right you've got SEVEN oh, eight seven mmo eight how
would you like to shoot a seven meter rumin to
(26:12):
magnum in your? Seven, mm eight rifle well maybe, not
all the. Time BUT maybe sometimes and i GUESS maybe
that's because. I think about this she'll try to. Put,
it all together here, you have more versatility you, can
shoot standard velocity or you can, shoot plus, peak slash
(26:36):
magnum velocity whatever you. Want to call it if you stay,
with the same barrelings you're going to get. A lot
more vlasity you can cut your barrel down a good
bit and retain the same velocity you had. With the longer.
Barrel kind of interesting so, we JUST thoughts here as
i look at the, calendar switching on here We're Too,
(27:00):
away FROM father's day and i think we probably ought
to Have Not. Waked until father's day let's go ahead
and start the day and we can tell those stories
about our, dads and the, guns the range, trips the
shooting experiences the hunting experiences we had with. OUR fathers
(27:21):
or grandfathers i have so many it's very hard. To
narrow it down as. You probably can imagine my dad
being a shooting editor of, a major gun magazine we
got to play with. A lot of guns i always had.
GUNS around THE house i mean.
Speaker 10 (27:41):
I.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Had hundreds of guns every gun that was brought out
for a quarter of. A century pretty much long guns
especially were sent to my dad. That JUST showed up
and i could, go into the, closets multiple multiple closets
(28:03):
and all of them had hundreds, of guns in them
and half of them still had the hangtags on them
because they. Hadn't BEEN shot yet and, i CAN just
say can i take? One of. THESE guns, it's gesture
i MEAN by the time I, WAS fifteen in louisiana
i had a full driver's license and there was a
gravel pit, not FAR from us and i could load
(28:26):
up a half dozen or a dozen guns. And go. By,
myself at fifteen yeah we did that. And GO shoot.
Stuff and i did and So you'll notice sometimes, i'll,
make you well yeah you know. We had that gun.
We Had that gun was it's not that we purchased and,
(28:46):
Owned all these guns It's just they were they can't.
Went through the house They were sent and dad would
write them up or, not WRITE them up but i
would have a. Chance to USE them and then i
ended up doing the photography on. A LOT of them as.
I was growing up it was a cool way to
grow up. And play with stuff So you know, the
reminton's six hundreds, that goofy looking rifle we had several
(29:08):
of those three Point fifty rim to magnum six point
five rim mag which brings us back around to where
we're talking today With the six five creeden wore the
six five rimton magnum out of that little Short barrel in.
That reminton six hundred it wasn't. Much, of a magnum
honestly if if you had a six y Five or
(29:30):
fifty five swede with a twenty two or, twenty four
its barrel you were probably getting about the same velocity.
Pretty close, to it and now of course we could
get the magnum velocities out of the short BARRELS. With this,
new ammo. Interesting, stuff interesting stuff hey let's go Grab al.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
Out.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Of, minnesota online four hey hel. Thanks for calling in?
What's on your mind?
Speaker 11 (29:55):
YOU bet you know i was up at the lake.
The COUPLE weeks ago in I saw magazine, that i
HADN'T read and so i sat on the porch and
read it and had, an ARTICLE in there and i
don't Remember If it Was outdoor Life or sports a Field.
Or fur fishing game it, was one of them and
(30:16):
it had an article Called, the MILLION dollars shotgun and
i was wondering if. THAT was your dad.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
I don't remember an. Article with that title dad was
The SHOOTING editor for sports a feel, for TWENTY seven years.
BUT i, don't remember i, mean It's very POSSIBLE because
i'm sure i don't remember, all OF the articles but
i just, Don't REMEMBER that one so i can't. Help
you with that what was? The gist of it was
this an actual shotgun that was? Worth? A million dollars
(30:48):
no well, it was.
Speaker 11 (30:50):
To somebody and it was somebody had a shotgun that
you could not pull the trigger on it unless, you
were on target so he'd, win all the contests the
guy in the article, or in the story. And so
it was it was a fun, story TO read it
(31:12):
and i was just curious if that was the kind of, Stuff,
your dad. Wrote well it was It. Probably, was outdoor
life okay If, it was Outdoor.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
LIFE it, wasn't dad i Mean He wrote for outdoor
life Before he Wrote for sports a field and got,
on THE staff there and i Wrote For. OUT the
her life i was one of the Field Editors for
out her. Life for several years but. Probably with somebody
else it almost sounds like a tongue. IN cheek, fun
article i mean was? It, a, humor article.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
Yes okay it sounded.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
LIKE a FUN one i. MEAN i like it i
love THOSE old magazines and i, kind OF miss them
BUT i swear and i know people keep trying to
resurrect or resuscitate some of The old Magazines and sports the,
field Are Still around and diana, rupp as the editor
and she's. DOING a good Job i worked WITH diana
back when i was On The. Staff of, SPORTS appeal
but honestly i just there's not much left in, the old. Outdoor,
(32:08):
magazines is.
Speaker 11 (32:09):
There no they don't have good paper like. They, used
to either no.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
It can't afford it it's that the paper's expensive, and
mailing is expensive and, the advertising's not there and they just.
GET thinner, and thinner i mean it used to be
you we'd have like one hundred and sixty, pages in
a magazine and now you get sixty, four pages plus
cover and it's. JUST kind of sad I Look, at
the american riflemen which, used to be thick and now.
There's not much there, and, so you. Know look it's
(32:39):
logical there are other ways of, getting your information now
primarily through the internet through YouTube channels and Different. Places
on the internet so DOES anybody, REALLY get i mean
i get a, few MAGAZINES outdoor magazines and I have
to maybe. I admit IT publicly here is i. DON'T
actually read them i kind of glance at them, and
(33:01):
Put them. Aside AND i'm guilty WHAT i should do
i NEED to change What i. Do because i'm guilty.
I'll throw THEM away but what i need to start
doing is taking those outdoor magazines and taking them to
doctor's offices, or places like that leaving them there so other. People.
CAN read them.
Speaker 11 (33:19):
Yeah i bring a lot of mind to THE vav
or the va and. They put them out, one, other
quick QUESTION sure yesterday yesterday i heard you ON the radio,
and i was wondering are you Going? To, change to.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Saturday, ah interesting question. Well yes and no we do The,
show live on Sunday which is what, I'm doing right
now but there are stations that take the recorded version
and they run. It throughout the week some radio stations
(33:59):
Will run it on Saturday. Instead of on sunday some
of them actually run It home Both. On saturday and
sunday so If you're, hearing the saturday show it's Actually
from the previous sunday. When we did, it it's recorded
shows so you're alloable. To pick it up and that
kind of goes back to what. We were talking, about
with the magazines you Can now get gun talk a.
Lot of different ways you can get it, live on
(34:22):
the radio you can get, recorded on the radio you
can get, it on a podcast you can. Get it
on YouTube they're just an off You. Get off of
facebook and that's. Just my radio show the rest of
the stuff We, do with gun talk we do videos
and all and they're available. All THESE different ways it's
I miss magazines because i was a magazine the editor
and writer, for MANY many years and i love putting
(34:43):
together good magazines and, AT the same time i. Understand,
WHAT'S going on look i appreciate the, calls their but
yeah if You're, hearing me on saturday it means that
the radio station is. Taking a recorded version either they
recorded it and pulled it down live, and recorded it
locally or there's a way for station and we provide
this service for them to tap in and pick up
shows that we've done and then they can run, them
(35:05):
whenever they want whenever. It's convenient for them you got
to understand that if, you're a radio station you have
certain holes in your, programming, and you think okay well this.
Would fit, well here you know we'll put it in
after the. Gardening show or whatever sometimes, they take it
live or sometimes they can't because. They have other obligations
(35:26):
it goes back to thirty ONE years ago when. I
started this thing i knew nothing about radio and never been,
on the radio, before and got conned probably Talked into
it by alan Got Leave Over. The second, Amendment, FOUNDATION
thank you. Alan I appreciate that and i would call these, radio,
STATIONS and say hey. I got this idea i got,
(35:46):
this great radio show and you need. TO be running
it i was so green it did not occur to me.
For like six MONTHS it's how stupid i was of
calling these, stations, and them, say well you know, it
sounds maybe interesting but we can't. Really DO anything now, and,
i kept thinking well they're, just blowing me, off, not
(36:08):
realizing that look they don't have an hour or two
hours of dead air that they're waiting to. Throw your
show into there's. Something else running there and the only
Way you get gun talk on the air is to
take a slot that. Somebody else's already in and they
may have contracts, for these other shows and they have
(36:30):
to wait till. That contract runs out and, AFTER about
six months i started, getting stations saying okay. We'll take,
it now you know after about, a, year, it's like
okay yeah we're, ready For that, now, and i'm thinking
oh that's what's. Going on HERE now later on i.
Ended up getting professional they called, the affiliate relations guys
(36:51):
people who call. Radio STATIONS for YOU but i. MEAN
i sat there i would jump on the phone at five,
o'clock in the morning Start working, on the east coast
and THEN all day long i would work the phones
and call all the, way across the, country mostly leaving
messages mostly. Not getting calls back as, someone, told me
said look if you have left a message a half
(37:12):
dozen times and they, haven't called you back. They have
answered you they have told you that they're not. Interested, in,
Your show okay, fine well You know and as ryan
and you Probably, got everybody knows ryan my Son who
runs GUN talk all. The tv and, everything, he keeps
saying look he says, no, doesn't mean no no just
(37:33):
means not. Yet or NOT now and then, i, attitude
it is well it's. Just, going to work eventually you're going,
to figure it out or somebody's going to, contact, you
and say hey you really need to look at. This
gun talk show you need. To listen to this you
need to find out what. These guys, are doing at
first and we. Don't get this anymore we at first,
(37:53):
we would call in people would, say at, radio stations
we don't we don't run. Those, KIND of shows really
i think they thought we were broadcasting from a covert
bunker somewhere with. Conspiracy THEORIES and such well i, do
have conspiracy theories but they're all about different, rifle calibers
(38:14):
and cartridges so that's. A whole, different thing so anyway
that Was, A fun way well i don't. Know if it's,
fun at the. Time it was tough it was a
sixties to seventy. SOMETIMES eighty hour weeks i figured out
at one point that by working, SIX days a week
i was working ten out or ten weeks longer than
(38:36):
everybody else was if they're working. Five days. A week
that's okay i only did, that FOR thirty years so,
i worked. Out fine all right so that's kind of.
Starting off the story so As We're, headed toward father's
day stories about your dad, going shooting with, him hunting
with him maybe a gun that you got from your
father that you still have and you plan to. KEEP
in the family i got a Couple of those and
(38:59):
i'm making sure that They. Get. Down to ryan now
i'm Not gonna. WAIT till i'm gone i want to
share the gun and the stories. And maybe, Some photos
who knows we're just that's. Part of the deal these
guns last forever instead of, the stories with him but
only if you. Pass along the stories eight six' six
(39:19):
talk gun hight that qut here going straight to the
phones flying two Time's, With. Us Out, Of houston texas
hey tom? What's? What's?
Speaker 6 (39:34):
GOING on there hey tom i have a. Bad question,
to ask you this week About, fifty miles south of
houston a kid ran through a stop sign. Top lit
up his light the kid drove all the way home
to his driveway, about one in the morning and you
can see from doorbell video cameras, the two cars passing
(39:57):
by and within five seconds the cop shot through the window.
And the, kid is dead my question and they haven't
told us what kind of. Gun the, cop was carried
my question do you know of any incidents around the
country where a COP has shot somebody CARRYING i believe
(40:20):
it's the p three twenty that's been. Having, the accidental
discharge problem.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Well you're really asking. About two different things. Here let's
JUST'S examine them the alleged p three twenty, actual discharges are,
Uncommanded DISCHARGES if you will and i don't have any
information whether. It's, actually happening or not yeah. THERE'S a
video out there i know there's SOME ranges have. Banned
(40:47):
a p three twenty but you're asking if anybody a
police officer HAS shot somebody. With a, p three twenty probably.
So because it's been issued but would it be? A
negligent or uncommanded discharge if a cop is pointing a
(41:09):
gun at, somebody and it goes off my first reactions
would be almost certainly not, because if that's the case the,
officer probably pulled. The, TRIGGER don't you think.
Speaker 6 (41:22):
Well i hope, that's Not the case here and, I'm
sad for the family but as far as, IT'S from
A community standpoint i just, i wish, that they would
you know get as. Much facts out as possible we're
getting very very limited. Information from the police department.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
That's not uncommon, in the officer involved shootings at least for.
A while, while they investigate but look the, reality is
in most situations if the officer is pointing a gun
at someone, and the gun goes off it's, because officer pulled.
The trigger simple as, that may have gotten startled, may
(42:04):
have actually you know not. Quite MEANT to, what, whatever
but i mean look he's got a hold of the
gun and probably got a stinger on the trigger. And
probably pull the trigger and whether, it was justified or not.
That's a whole different deal BUT in almost every, circumstance
i can think of my go to response would be
(42:27):
somebody pulled. The trigger on the gun?
Speaker 6 (42:30):
Would you say uncommanded discharge that's, Like, inside the wholester.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Correct yeah say the holster, and nobody's pulled the trigger that.
Would be an, uncommanded discharge in other words, no one
touched the gun. No one touched the, trigger and if
that happens that's the. Whole that's a mechanical issue. It's
a whole different deal but if somebody's pointing a gun at,
somebody and it goes off, there's, about, one hundred percent
(42:56):
real real close to one hundred percent. Chance they pull the.
Trigger just simple as that that's. JUST the way it works.
I appreciate the call there INTERESTING and this whole. Sig
p three. Twenty three it's not over we're trying. To
figure it all. Out they're figured it, Out they have
a position. They've contacted me about it they're, contacting, shooting
rangers to say hey let's talk about the fact. That
(43:19):
you've BANNED our pistol? Where am, I on it. SIMPLY
this i don't know i don't. KNOW what the truth
is i don't know what. The reality is? On it
too many reports is it? Enough? To make, me concerned
yeah it. Is of course it? Is why wouldn't you be,
You HAVE to be concerned but i. Don't know where it. Is,
so there you go, HEY when we come back i
(43:40):
want to dig deeper Into this new technology from federal
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(01:12):
Of course we like to talk about the Second Amendment
and gun rights and everything else, but we also like
to talk about guns and AMMO and cool stuff. Well,
something just happened a couple of days ago. That's one
of the more exciting things I've seen in fifty plus
years of doing this journey. Right now to talk about
that is Josh Vickers from Federal Characters. Josh, you guys
(01:33):
just made this massive announcement. I mean you had something
out like a year ago with the seventh back Country,
but holy cow, you want to explain what just happened
On Friday?
Speaker 5 (01:42):
We launched six five creed More plus Peak and you
know what that is, in a nutshell, is we're taking
standard sixty five creed more dimensional cases and applying our
Peak alloy technology to it. So really, in a nutshell,
what we're doing is given the six to five creed
more some jet fuel.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
All right, So the Peak alloy technology, it's a different
kind of material to make the rifle cartridge case. And
you did that with the back count, and we aut said, okay,
well you've done this at a separate cartridge to keep
anybody from putting that in their rifles. But evidently we
were not correct on that. Because this is an actual,
real sixty five creed More cartridge. You can put it
(02:20):
in your existing six y five creed More rifle, and
yet it's generating somewhere around eighty thousand PSI as opposed
to the sixty five thousand standard. How can you do that?
How can we put that in our gun and not
blow it up?
Speaker 6 (02:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Yeah, right, and that's a common question we get. So, yeah,
utilizing the strength of that peak alloy case technology. You
know what that ultimately does is that it makes your
case or the case, the peak alloy case kind of
the pressure vessel, so it kind of takes the forces
away from the rifle per se by you know, the
strength of the case.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Okay, So I mean really can take this and put
it in my existing sixty five creed More and shoot
it and get We're not talking about just a little
bit more velocity. We're talking about a substantial increase in velocity.
In fact, it actually leap frogs the sixty five PRC.
You're getting velocities out of a creed More they're faster
(03:21):
than out of a standard PRC.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Yeah yeah, and you know, and that's you know again,
that goes back to the beauty of the peak ally
case technology and allowing us to run to those higher pressures.
You know what we're saying, you know, and on average
is what you'll see on our packaging is three hundred
feet per second faster for a lake bullet, you.
Speaker 7 (03:38):
Know, going from peak.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Alloy from brass case creed More and one hundred feet
faster than sixty five PRC for the like bullets they
are one thirty terminal set.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
We shot some out of an eighteen inch barrel using
one hundred and thirty grain bullet, and we were getting
three thousand feet per second out of an eighteen inch
barrel with a creed More, not a PRC with a
creed More.
Speaker 6 (04:02):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
And then of course some people are gonna want shorter
barrels as they go short and short used in comps.
So you you basically are going to get full velocity
out of a much shorter barrow.
Speaker 7 (04:14):
With this correct correct you know, and that and that
just goes back.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
You know, the modern Western hunter, you know, is always
looking for a shorter and more compact system the way
they can run suppressors. And so really this is this
is really going to be a sweet, sweet round for
those guys that like that six to five caliber.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
I'm thinking about this. You know, obviously, this is a technology.
It's not a cartridge. So this technology can be applied
to any number of cartridges. You essentially are magnimizing standard cartridges.
I mean you've created a six' five magnum in the
just out of a regular six five Creed more.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
Rifle, yeah and keep it in a short.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Action so clearly the next question is how about other.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Calibers, YEAH i MEAN i you, know we're we're always
thinking about the future and what we're going to, do
and and you know WHAT i can say right now
is you, know we're we're in full support and fully
behind the peak alloy, technology and we're looking we'll be
looking to expand here over the.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Years so IF i just imagining, that IF i took
that same technology and what you're doing with, that put
it into a thirty out, Six i'm going to have
a three hundred magnum or maybe even vosities beyond a
three hundred. Magnum so people are not going to have
to buy necessarily a new rifle to get a.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
Magnum LIKE i, said that just goes back to the
beauty of the peak alley and what potential it, carries you,
know in what it can do for more calibers in the.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Future, okay SO i can see that there's not a
problem in a bolt, gun But i'm thinking about. Semiautos
how does this affect the bolt?
Speaker 5 (05:47):
Velocity so right, now you know we're what we've been
working through all the gas guns out. There you, know
ultimately you're gonna have to check with your firearm. Manufacture
and that's what we're going to say about all this in.
General you can always reference our website as well for you,
know the updated list of gun companies that have adopted
this and that we've worked, with and so that that's
(06:09):
a good starting point as far as that.
Speaker 7 (06:11):
Goes but WHAT i can say from our testing here.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Is that we've been we've been on power and doing
well with it in short barrel or gas guns.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Atually, okay and gas guns they're. Working, okay what's the
cost of THE MS i, mean it's going to be
considerably more expensive than you, know REGULAR.
Speaker 7 (06:26):
Ammo, nope it won't.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Be, actually it's going to be priced in lines you,
KNOW i would say somewhere right now in between you,
know six' five creed more and six five P.
Speaker 7 (06:35):
R c so you know it's going to depend on
where you.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Purchase it but, it'll be it'll land somewhere in there
in terms of, you know price to.
Speaker 7 (06:42):
Brass, pieces wow.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Reloaders are going to ask about. THE cases i want
to call, it brass but it's actually it's a it's
a steel an, alloy steel isn't?
Speaker 7 (06:53):
It, correct yep it's a. Steel alloy are we going
to get that? For, reloaders yep you and you'll be
able to look, for it. You know and we're working
with a lot of reloading manufacturers right now.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
To get ahead, of THAT so i would you, know
again just like the, gun manufacturers you can reach out
to your favorite reloading company and see what. They, have
otherwise keep tabs on our website and we'll keep an
updated list of.
Speaker 7 (07:16):
All the people who will be.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
LAUNCHING products i am guessing we probably should add. Right,
here look just because we're going, to say, all right
here's some loads you can use and crank it up
to EIGHTY thousand psi and it's safe in. Your gun
the critical part is you cannot do that with your existing. Brass, cases, correct.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
Correct Yep you we definitely won't want to do that
in your. Brass case we'll get a lot of head
flow and set back primers and, you know the traditional
signs of.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
High PRESSURE as i look, At this i'm thinking the
six to Five creed More and i'm just going to
throw out normally call it twenty seven hundred feet. Per
second now we're at, three thousand and you start applying
that technology across. The board why would anybody want standard
ammunition that is three hundred feet per? Second?
Speaker 5 (08:04):
SLOWER yeah I mean i, would say, you know there
will still be a place, For IT and i, actually think,
you know it makes it more universal because not everybody
is going to want super. High performance and say you're traditional,
you know six five freed more terminal assent.
Speaker 7 (08:18):
Or power shock or whatever your favorite, load.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Is shoots fine and gets a job done, for YOU
then i would say that customer.
Speaker 7 (08:25):
Doesn't necessarily need this to soup.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Up advantage but like, you know as you're probably well
aware Of the western hunter and the guys, you know
stretching it out that want a little bit more kinetic
energy and a flatter, shooting gun this. Is IT so,
i think, you know really you can look at this
as making the six to five creed more more universal as. A, WHOLE.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Yeah i want to hear you tell, Guy, that yeah
you can get a four hundred horse power truck or
three hundred horse power truck for the. Same, price yeah
there's a real reason you want the. THREE hundred i don't.
THINK so.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
I doubt. I, DOUBT.
Speaker 6 (08:57):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I know can you apply this technology to handgun cartridges?
Speaker 5 (09:03):
Right now that that's not something CURRENTLY that i don't
think we're, working ON.
Speaker 7 (09:09):
But i want, you know you never know what might
happen in.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
The, Future yeah i'm thinking about a nine. MILIMETER magnum,
i mean there's just all sorts of things that could.
To mind, all right we ought to spin, around too
like several, days ago fed or just sign an agreement
With The United states army to basically license or use
this technology for cartridges used In. The army you want
to talk about that and what the possibilities.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
May, BE yeah, i mean you know that that was
a huge win for us and we're super EXCITED and,
i think, you know ultimately what that shows is you
know what what this technology is capable of and how
much you know we're investing into it for. THE future
i know that was, you know some of the big
hurdles with the Seven back country is to support its.
New technology so for the consumer looking, at that going, oh,
(09:52):
no great they're gonna, you know just fully. Support that
we're still going to try to, support everything and we're
super excited and we're only looking to expand as you.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Go forward i'm, just, thinking okay we can. Go faster
but the other question is is? It accurate how is
it testing?
Speaker 7 (10:08):
For?
Speaker 5 (10:08):
You, now yeah, so far all of our accuracy that
we've shot and what the customer should expect is is
nothing less than, you know our normal federal.
Speaker 7 (10:17):
Premium standard so.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Everybody's thinking, Right, now okay let's see more vasty roughly the.
Same price WHEN can i? Get?
Speaker 7 (10:25):
It yep so we'll Be shipping, august first.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
Just in time for. Hunting, season yep.
Speaker 7 (10:32):
Just in time for, hunting season.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
You know and part, of that, you know customers can,
look for, you know we we've added some, you know
heavier for caliber, type.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
Bullets like like like what you would see in SIXTY.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
Five prc so we'll have we'll be offering one hundred
and thirty Grain terminal ascent one hundred and fifty three
grains here a tip to match king one hundred and
fifty five grain, fusion tips which is new and it
is a, great product a One Six Burger, elite hunter
and then those people looking for a, monolithtic.
Speaker 7 (11:00):
Offering we'll have a one TWENTY. Seven.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Rx wow that's a heck of a. Nice, lineup okay
so it's not. Out YET so i want to be
one of, the first not, The first i'm sure. To,
say okay, that's GREAT but i want you to bring
out some other.
Speaker 7 (11:13):
Calibers, Too okay, oh yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
You're not you're definitely not.
Speaker 7 (11:17):
The first.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Uh is there any chance we would see any other
cartridges brought out?
Speaker 7 (11:24):
This year likely not for. This, Year, no.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Okay you gotta get this thing. Running, first.
Speaker 7 (11:29):
Yep yep we'll get this one going and getting off,
the ground.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
All right so start from. The beginning what is? It
called it.
Speaker 7 (11:35):
Is called six' five creed more plus peak.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
Plus peak peak RATHER. THAN plus p i.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
Love it exactly you have a little play, On, words.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
There WELL this, is i mean the word game changer is,
used a lot and usually. IT'S not applicable i think
in this case. It REALLY is and i can. Just
see this, OH oh OH i don't i got to ask
you any talk about possibly license this TECHNOLOGY to? Other
ammo companies.
Speaker 7 (12:03):
Uh not at not.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
At this time you never know what the, future might
hold but right now we're keeping this technology tight.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
To the chest and who? Can, blame, you, yeah no
truly this is changing a. Lot of things and the
fact that you can now have a magnum in, your
regular rifle don't have, to rebarrel it don't have, to
do anything JUST put different ammo in it and go
out and cite it in, check it out and the
drop tables are going to be different obviously because you've.
Got different, velocity but man. THIS is exciting i. Cannot
believe it you guys have knocked it out of the park.
Speaker 7 (12:29):
With, this, one yeah no we're.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
We're super excited and we know that, that you know there's
obviously lots.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
And lots of Sixty five creed, moores out there.
Speaker 5 (12:36):
So we're looking forward to the customers getting in their
hands and getting those, you gripping grins.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
And you know what's. Going to happen this is also
going to cost a lot of people to go out
and buy a new six To five. Creed more rifle.
Speaker 7 (12:46):
That's always, a, Good thing right we all need.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
This, is true right we need to be selling more
guns as well, As, more ammo right any excuse providing.
A New, gun josh vickers thank. YOU so much i.
Appreciate your time real exciting stuff Coming. Out from, federal
all right don't, Go Far people gun talk will. Be
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Rubber buck. Two Gun Talk. I'm tom gresh lots to,
talk about, today and yeah there's some second a member
of stories we need, to talk about and we'll. Get
to those and of course we'll, take your calls your mench.
Your range reports if your's a bit out of the range.
Doing little shooting got, a new gun maybe you got.
AN old gun. I don't care we'll just give. Me
a call we'll. Talk about it but the big story
(16:12):
is when. WE just announced i knew. THIS was coming
i teased. IT last, week i said you got a
tune end because there's, something BIG coming and i want
to make sure everybody understands AT least what i, think
about this AND that, is I think. AND i'll try i
have not wanted to go to, hyperbole A lot but
(16:34):
i really do think this technology may be the biggest
thing to happen to ammunition since the advent. Of, smokeless powder,
seriously smokeless power gave us a whole. Lot more velocity
they Gave us our. Martred rifle cartridges what you have
(16:57):
now and there are more questions than are. Answers right
now But you got federal introducing the sixty five creed
more in what they. Call plus peak they're using a
different material to make. The rifle cases, it's not brass
it's actually. A seal alloy and look they did. This
(17:20):
last year they brought up the sublimeter back country and
with that they were able to go to eighty thousand
pounds per square edge pressure. In, the case now your
typical rifle cartridge is in the sixty to, sixty two
thousand maybe as much as sixty. Five thousand psi when
you could crank that up, to eighty thousand you, get
(17:43):
more velocity, simple as, that more. Pressure more velocity but
y'all simpre pressure, on your gun all. Things being equal but,
in this case all things are not equal because you're
not using a brass case that actually transfers most of
(18:03):
that pressure to. The rifle chamber you're using a steel
alloy case that, Contains the pressure it, holds the pressure
and so that's how they are able let's make sure.
Everybody's understanding this you don't need a new. Rifle for
this you can use your existing Sixty five creed more
(18:26):
rifle and put this ammunition in it and it will
RUN eighty thousand psi and your rifle won't. Know the
difference that's the. Important part here your rifle won't know
the difference in terms of pressure that's going to give
(18:46):
you depending, on the load somewhere around three hundred feet per.
Second more velocity that's moving from a standard cartridge to.
A magnum cartridge actually THE, sixty five prc which is.
The magnum verse you have the Six five creed more with.
A larger case this load In a creed more is
(19:06):
one hundred feet per second FASTER. Than the prc you're
probably getting right around this two sixty four win mag from.
Way way back pretty crazy what's. Going on here.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
And it.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
Is completely interchangeable so if YOU'VE got an ar and
Sixty five creed more or a bolt gun and Six,
five creed more you just get. The same one put
it in and you. Get more velocity now you'll have
to cite it again because it's not. The same. Velocity
big deal you. CAN do that i asked THE question
when i was doing The, interview with josh is does
(19:49):
this BASICALLY make? Other ammo obsolete and, he said, no
NOT really and i think he's probably, right on that
but it does changed, things A lot and i think,
you'll see many many other cartridges brought. Out with. This
oh yeah one of the, questions we get and we're
gonna address this throughout. THE show today a lot of
(20:10):
questions is will it burn? Up my barrel will it
burn out? Barrels more quickly the answer right now. Is
probably not, BUT you know i hedged. A little bit
there's something else going on here and we're gonna talk
about that as, we go forward because we've got some other,
(20:31):
experts coming up and that is that we have new.
Barrels coming out there's a lot of technology coming out
kind of at the same time or maybe based on
this or, BECAUSE of this, i don't know but it's
happened at. The same time we're gonna have new barrels made.
Of different materials we already have new barrels with different.
(20:55):
Rifling twist rates and for this do you got to?
Go way back and this is coming out. Of proof
research if you, go way back you'll look up you'll
find reference to. Gain twist rifling that, is the rifling
the rate at which the spin goes, in your barrel,
(21:16):
of the rifling the cuts. In the barrel it starts
out with a slow twist rate and speeds up as
it goes, down the barrel so that the bullet when
it enters the barrel doesn't immediately go from no twists
to a one nine or one, and seven twists a
fast twist that imparts a lot of torque, on a
bullet and that causes. Pressures. To Spike well proof research
(21:42):
has SOMETHING called their, pxt barrel rifling and it's a
new version, of gain twist and it starts out with
a very slow twist rate and speeds up as the
bullet goes. Down, the bore well that reduces the initial,
Spike of pressure it reduces the torque of the bullet
(22:03):
and probably puts less stress. On the bullet it could
conceivably lead. To better accuracy we don't know yet a
lot of things, going on here but this is. Pretty
exciting stuff so the question is are you? Excited about
this would you like to have this kind of technology,
in other, cartridges other calibers, and if, so which ones
and would you be willing to use this six fike
(22:24):
feed more mo in your existing Six' five creed more
rifle number here. Is eight. Sixty Six Talk. Gun i'm
tom gresha. This is gun talk it's actually hit a
little bit hard to get my head around to the
idea that there's a new cartridge out that has magnum
(22:48):
velocity and power and yet you can shoot it. In
your existing rifle, you don't have to you don't have to.
Get a new rifle you don't have to. Buy a
magnum Rifle that's the new Federal six Fi creed more
plus peak. USING their cartridge case i have to be careful.
Always won't say brass and it's not because we. Call
(23:11):
cartridge cases, brass in this case it's. Not made of
brass it's made. Of a steel alloy and because, of
a steel alloy that's not like a regular steel cartridge,
case that, we know The old, the old russian ambo.
That kind of stuff it's. Not that at all it,
seals in the chamber, holds the pressure in doesn't doesn't
(23:37):
let the added pressure of the case go out. To
impact the rifle. This is so weird i'm. Just working
on this so you can shoot it in your existing
six five creed more and the rifle. Doesn't know the.
Difference it doesn't care what do you? Get out of
it you get more velocity except that maybe you don't think,
(24:01):
about it this way because this is. What's, really going
on okay this. Is what's driving this we have a move.
To shorter rifle barrels people want considered be shorter barrels
so they can put. Some pressures on them so if
you stick us, a pressure on it that's. What six
inches long and if you've got a, twenty four inch
(24:23):
barrel now you got a thirty inch barrel with. A
can on it that is unwieldy. To say the least
but what if you could cut that barrel back from twenty.
Four to, sixteen inches we can and you could put.
The pressure on it but when you cut six, inches
off the. Barrel you lose velocity we know this what the.
(24:46):
Plus peak cartridge does it lets you get back that
standard velocity. With A shorter barrel and i'm talking, about
really shorter barrels like, not just sixteen inches but and twelve. And,
ten inch barrels yeah a ten. Inch, barrel hunting rifle sure,
(25:07):
you'd have. To sbright big deal. It's a form one
doesn't cost. You any money anymore now you got the
super short rifle with a can and it's handy and you.
Can hunt with it oh but what? ELSE COULD. You
do o g you could use that. As yourself defense
gun you could have that as. Your home defense gun
(25:30):
an ar with a ten inch. Barrel with a can
but of course you didn't want to. Give up the
velocity now you don't, have to the military and we're
going to talk about this. In the next hour the
military has been doing, a lot, with this and yeah
they didn't STOP. At eighty thousand psi they. Can do
(25:51):
EXPERIMENTAL stuff think two. X, on the pressures yeah and
think about what you could do with that. In some
other calibers so the question, is if, somebody said all
right you've got SEVEN oh, eight seven mmo eight how
would you like to shoot a seven meter rumin to
(26:12):
magnum in your? Seven, mm eight rifle well maybe, not
all the. Time BUT maybe sometimes and i GUESS maybe
that's because. I think about this she'll try to. Put,
it all together here, you have more versatility you, can
shoot standard velocity or you can, shoot plus, peak slash
(26:36):
magnum velocity whatever you. Want to call it if you stay,
with the same barrelings you're going to get. A lot
more vlasity you can cut your barrel down a good
bit and retain the same velocity you had. With the longer.
Barrel kind of interesting so, we JUST thoughts here as
i look at the, calendar switching on here We're Too,
(27:00):
away FROM father's day and i think we probably ought
to Have Not. Waked until father's day let's go ahead
and start the day and we can tell those stories
about our, dads and the, guns the range, trips the
shooting experiences the hunting experiences we had with. OUR fathers
(27:21):
or grandfathers i have so many it's very hard. To
narrow it down as. You probably can imagine my dad
being a shooting editor of, a major gun magazine we
got to play with. A lot of guns i always had.
GUNS around THE house i mean.
Speaker 10 (27:41):
I.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Had hundreds of guns every gun that was brought out
for a quarter of. A century pretty much long guns
especially were sent to my dad. That JUST showed up
and i could, go into the, closets multiple multiple closets
(28:03):
and all of them had hundreds, of guns in them
and half of them still had the hangtags on them
because they. Hadn't BEEN shot yet and, i CAN just
say can i take? One of. THESE guns, it's gesture
i MEAN by the time I, WAS fifteen in louisiana
i had a full driver's license and there was a
gravel pit, not FAR from us and i could load
(28:26):
up a half dozen or a dozen guns. And go. By,
myself at fifteen yeah we did that. And GO shoot.
Stuff and i did and So you'll notice sometimes, i'll,
make you well yeah you know. We had that gun.
We Had that gun was it's not that we purchased and,
(28:46):
Owned all these guns It's just they were they can't.
Went through the house They were sent and dad would
write them up or, not WRITE them up but i
would have a. Chance to USE them and then i
ended up doing the photography on. A LOT of them as.
I was growing up it was a cool way to
grow up. And play with stuff So you know, the
reminton's six hundreds, that goofy looking rifle we had several
(29:08):
of those three Point fifty rim to magnum six point
five rim mag which brings us back around to where
we're talking today With the six five creeden wore the
six five rimton magnum out of that little Short barrel in.
That reminton six hundred it wasn't. Much, of a magnum
honestly if if you had a six y Five or
(29:30):
fifty five swede with a twenty two or, twenty four
its barrel you were probably getting about the same velocity.
Pretty close, to it and now of course we could
get the magnum velocities out of the short BARRELS. With this,
new ammo. Interesting, stuff interesting stuff hey let's go Grab al.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
Out.
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Of, minnesota online four hey hel. Thanks for calling in?
What's on your mind?
Speaker 11 (29:55):
YOU bet you know i was up at the lake.
The COUPLE weeks ago in I saw magazine, that i
HADN'T read and so i sat on the porch and
read it and had, an ARTICLE in there and i
don't Remember If it Was outdoor Life or sports a Field.
Or fur fishing game it, was one of them and
(30:16):
it had an article Called, the MILLION dollars shotgun and
i was wondering if. THAT was your dad.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
I don't remember an. Article with that title dad was
The SHOOTING editor for sports a feel, for TWENTY seven years.
BUT i, don't remember i, mean It's very POSSIBLE because
i'm sure i don't remember, all OF the articles but
i just, Don't REMEMBER that one so i can't. Help
you with that what was? The gist of it was
this an actual shotgun that was? Worth? A million dollars
(30:48):
no well, it was.
Speaker 11 (30:50):
To somebody and it was somebody had a shotgun that
you could not pull the trigger on it unless, you
were on target so he'd, win all the contests the
guy in the article, or in the story. And so
it was it was a fun, story TO read it
(31:12):
and i was just curious if that was the kind of, Stuff,
your dad. Wrote well it was It. Probably, was outdoor
life okay If, it was Outdoor.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
LIFE it, wasn't dad i Mean He wrote for outdoor
life Before he Wrote for sports a field and got,
on THE staff there and i Wrote For. OUT the
her life i was one of the Field Editors for
out her. Life for several years but. Probably with somebody
else it almost sounds like a tongue. IN cheek, fun
article i mean was? It, a, humor article.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
Yes okay it sounded.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
LIKE a FUN one i. MEAN i like it i
love THOSE old magazines and i, kind OF miss them
BUT i swear and i know people keep trying to
resurrect or resuscitate some of The old Magazines and sports the,
field Are Still around and diana, rupp as the editor
and she's. DOING a good Job i worked WITH diana
back when i was On The. Staff of, SPORTS appeal
but honestly i just there's not much left in, the old. Outdoor,
(32:08):
magazines is.
Speaker 11 (32:09):
There no they don't have good paper like. They, used
to either no.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
It can't afford it it's that the paper's expensive, and
mailing is expensive and, the advertising's not there and they just.
GET thinner, and thinner i mean it used to be
you we'd have like one hundred and sixty, pages in
a magazine and now you get sixty, four pages plus
cover and it's. JUST kind of sad I Look, at
the american riflemen which, used to be thick and now.
There's not much there, and, so you. Know look it's
(32:39):
logical there are other ways of, getting your information now
primarily through the internet through YouTube channels and Different. Places
on the internet so DOES anybody, REALLY get i mean
i get a, few MAGAZINES outdoor magazines and I have
to maybe. I admit IT publicly here is i. DON'T
actually read them i kind of glance at them, and
(33:01):
Put them. Aside AND i'm guilty WHAT i should do
i NEED to change What i. Do because i'm guilty.
I'll throw THEM away but what i need to start
doing is taking those outdoor magazines and taking them to
doctor's offices, or places like that leaving them there so other. People.
CAN read them.
Speaker 11 (33:19):
Yeah i bring a lot of mind to THE vav
or the va and. They put them out, one, other
quick QUESTION sure yesterday yesterday i heard you ON the radio,
and i was wondering are you Going? To, change to.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Saturday, ah interesting question. Well yes and no we do The,
show live on Sunday which is what, I'm doing right
now but there are stations that take the recorded version
and they run. It throughout the week some radio stations
(33:59):
Will run it on Saturday. Instead of on sunday some
of them actually run It home Both. On saturday and
sunday so If you're, hearing the saturday show it's Actually
from the previous sunday. When we did, it it's recorded
shows so you're alloable. To pick it up and that
kind of goes back to what. We were talking, about
with the magazines you Can now get gun talk a.
Lot of different ways you can get it, live on
(34:22):
the radio you can get, recorded on the radio you
can get, it on a podcast you can. Get it
on YouTube they're just an off You. Get off of
facebook and that's. Just my radio show the rest of
the stuff We, do with gun talk we do videos
and all and they're available. All THESE different ways it's
I miss magazines because i was a magazine the editor
and writer, for MANY many years and i love putting
(34:43):
together good magazines and, AT the same time i. Understand,
WHAT'S going on look i appreciate the, calls their but
yeah if You're, hearing me on saturday it means that
the radio station is. Taking a recorded version either they
recorded it and pulled it down live, and recorded it
locally or there's a way for station and we provide
this service for them to tap in and pick up
shows that we've done and then they can run, them
(35:05):
whenever they want whenever. It's convenient for them you got
to understand that if, you're a radio station you have
certain holes in your, programming, and you think okay well this.
Would fit, well here you know we'll put it in
after the. Gardening show or whatever sometimes, they take it
live or sometimes they can't because. They have other obligations
(35:26):
it goes back to thirty ONE years ago when. I
started this thing i knew nothing about radio and never been,
on the radio, before and got conned probably Talked into
it by alan Got Leave Over. The second, Amendment, FOUNDATION
thank you. Alan I appreciate that and i would call these, radio,
STATIONS and say hey. I got this idea i got,
(35:46):
this great radio show and you need. TO be running
it i was so green it did not occur to me.
For like six MONTHS it's how stupid i was of
calling these, stations, and them, say well you know, it
sounds maybe interesting but we can't. Really DO anything now, and,
i kept thinking well they're, just blowing me, off, not
(36:08):
realizing that look they don't have an hour or two
hours of dead air that they're waiting to. Throw your
show into there's. Something else running there and the only
Way you get gun talk on the air is to
take a slot that. Somebody else's already in and they
may have contracts, for these other shows and they have
(36:30):
to wait till. That contract runs out and, AFTER about
six months i started, getting stations saying okay. We'll take,
it now you know after about, a, year, it's like
okay yeah we're, ready For that, now, and i'm thinking
oh that's what's. Going on HERE now later on i.
Ended up getting professional they called, the affiliate relations guys
(36:51):
people who call. Radio STATIONS for YOU but i. MEAN
i sat there i would jump on the phone at five,
o'clock in the morning Start working, on the east coast
and THEN all day long i would work the phones
and call all the, way across the, country mostly leaving
messages mostly. Not getting calls back as, someone, told me
said look if you have left a message a half
(37:12):
dozen times and they, haven't called you back. They have
answered you they have told you that they're not. Interested, in,
Your show okay, fine well You know and as ryan
and you Probably, got everybody knows ryan my Son who
runs GUN talk all. The tv and, everything, he keeps
saying look he says, no, doesn't mean no no just
(37:33):
means not. Yet or NOT now and then, i, attitude
it is well it's. Just, going to work eventually you're going,
to figure it out or somebody's going to, contact, you
and say hey you really need to look at. This
gun talk show you need. To listen to this you
need to find out what. These guys, are doing at
first and we. Don't get this anymore we at first,
(37:53):
we would call in people would, say at, radio stations
we don't we don't run. Those, KIND of shows really
i think they thought we were broadcasting from a covert
bunker somewhere with. Conspiracy THEORIES and such well i, do
have conspiracy theories but they're all about different, rifle calibers
(38:14):
and cartridges so that's. A whole, different thing so anyway
that Was, A fun way well i don't. Know if it's,
fun at the. Time it was tough it was a
sixties to seventy. SOMETIMES eighty hour weeks i figured out
at one point that by working, SIX days a week
i was working ten out or ten weeks longer than
(38:36):
everybody else was if they're working. Five days. A week
that's okay i only did, that FOR thirty years so,
i worked. Out fine all right so that's kind of.
Starting off the story so As We're, headed toward father's
day stories about your dad, going shooting with, him hunting
with him maybe a gun that you got from your
father that you still have and you plan to. KEEP
in the family i got a Couple of those and
(38:59):
i'm making sure that They. Get. Down to ryan now
i'm Not gonna. WAIT till i'm gone i want to
share the gun and the stories. And maybe, Some photos
who knows we're just that's. Part of the deal these
guns last forever instead of, the stories with him but
only if you. Pass along the stories eight six' six
(39:19):
talk gun hight that qut here going straight to the
phones flying two Time's, With. Us Out, Of houston texas
hey tom? What's? What's?
Speaker 6 (39:34):
GOING on there hey tom i have a. Bad question,
to ask you this week About, fifty miles south of
houston a kid ran through a stop sign. Top lit
up his light the kid drove all the way home
to his driveway, about one in the morning and you
can see from doorbell video cameras, the two cars passing
(39:57):
by and within five seconds the cop shot through the window.
And the, kid is dead my question and they haven't
told us what kind of. Gun the, cop was carried
my question do you know of any incidents around the
country where a COP has shot somebody CARRYING i believe
(40:20):
it's the p three twenty that's been. Having, the accidental
discharge problem.
Speaker 4 (40:27):
Well you're really asking. About two different things. Here let's
JUST'S examine them the alleged p three twenty, actual discharges are,
Uncommanded DISCHARGES if you will and i don't have any
information whether. It's, actually happening or not yeah. THERE'S a
video out there i know there's SOME ranges have. Banned
(40:47):
a p three twenty but you're asking if anybody a
police officer HAS shot somebody. With a, p three twenty probably.
So because it's been issued but would it be? A
negligent or uncommanded discharge if a cop is pointing a
(41:09):
gun at, somebody and it goes off my first reactions
would be almost certainly not, because if that's the case the,
officer probably pulled. The, TRIGGER don't you think.
Speaker 6 (41:22):
Well i hope, that's Not the case here and, I'm
sad for the family but as far as, IT'S from
A community standpoint i just, i wish, that they would
you know get as. Much facts out as possible we're
getting very very limited. Information from the police department.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
That's not uncommon, in the officer involved shootings at least for.
A while, while they investigate but look the, reality is
in most situations if the officer is pointing a gun
at someone, and the gun goes off it's, because officer pulled.
The trigger simple as, that may have gotten startled, may
(42:04):
have actually you know not. Quite MEANT to, what, whatever
but i mean look he's got a hold of the
gun and probably got a stinger on the trigger. And
probably pull the trigger and whether, it was justified or not.
That's a whole different deal BUT in almost every, circumstance
i can think of my go to response would be
(42:27):
somebody pulled. The trigger on the gun?
Speaker 6 (42:30):
Would you say uncommanded discharge that's, Like, inside the wholester.
Speaker 4 (42:36):
Correct yeah say the holster, and nobody's pulled the trigger that.
Would be an, uncommanded discharge in other words, no one
touched the gun. No one touched the, trigger and if
that happens that's the. Whole that's a mechanical issue. It's
a whole different deal but if somebody's pointing a gun at,
somebody and it goes off, there's, about, one hundred percent
(42:56):
real real close to one hundred percent. Chance they pull the.
Trigger just simple as that that's. JUST the way it works.
I appreciate the call there INTERESTING and this whole. Sig
p three. Twenty three it's not over we're trying. To
figure it all. Out they're figured it, Out they have
a position. They've contacted me about it they're, contacting, shooting
rangers to say hey let's talk about the fact. That
(43:19):
you've BANNED our pistol? Where am, I on it. SIMPLY
this i don't know i don't. KNOW what the truth
is i don't know what. The reality is? On it
too many reports is it? Enough? To make, me concerned
yeah it. Is of course it? Is why wouldn't you be,
You HAVE to be concerned but i. Don't know where it. Is,
so there you go, HEY when we come back i
(43:40):
want to dig deeper Into this new technology from federal
and how it's. Being used in military cartridges there's some
stuff going on, that you don't know about but we're.
Going To Tell you about i'm tom greshie and we'll
be right. Back with more gun talk don't miss this
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