April 12, 2026 • 43 mins
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-- Timney Triggers now makes an upgraded trigger package for the Gen 6 Glocks.
-- West Virginia hunter Chris Ellis talks about spring turkey hunting.
-- Comparing 1911 pistols. How does the Gun Talk special edition from five years ago stack up?
Gun Talk 04.12.26 Hour 2
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-- Timney Triggers now makes an upgraded trigger package for the Gen 6 Glocks.
-- West Virginia hunter Chris Ellis talks about spring turkey hunting.
-- Comparing 1911 pistols. How does the Gun Talk special edition from five years ago stack up?
Gun Talk 04.12.26 Hour 2
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Oh Man, there's so much for us to talk about.
A lot of things going on in the news. I'm
going to get to those in just a little bit.
A lot of thing's happening with gun rights and fighting
courts and what the debacle that's going on in the
Commonwealth of Virginia with the governor signing a whole bunch
of gun control bills. Gun bands waiting to see if
she go ahead and signs the ban on semi automatic firearms.
(00:39):
Harmie Dillon, the Assistant Attorney General Party wrote the governor
and said if you sign this, we will sue you,
basically saying if you try to ban AR fifteen's, that's
unconstitutional and we will sue you for that. We'll see
more about that and just a little bit first, let's go.
The phone was lying three you Malcolm's with us out
(01:01):
of Saint Mary's, West, Virginia. Hey, Malcolm, thank you for
your patience. How can we help.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Hi Tom, I was I've already signed up for a
shotgun class with a tactical defense institute in Ohio, and
I was wondering if you've ever had any experience or
any of the callers have had any experience with this facility.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I have not.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I went to the website tdiohio dot com looking at that,
it looks like they have a lot of different classes.
I don't know anything about them firsthand or even by reputation.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
How did you decide on them? How did you find them?
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Well, I've contacted several places because I've recently acquired a
Vanelli M four and I was wanting to take a
shotgun class with it, and a lot of places have
just not gotten back to me in Virginia, so I
started doing a wider search and came up with this
institute in Ohio.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So my sense is, just looking at it, I think
it probably is a pretty good facility. I think you're
going to enjoy it. As you probably have heard me
say before, just go into it with your eyes open
and make sure that everything looks safe and like it's
supposed to be. If something looks weird or seems weird,
(02:23):
honor that feeling and ask about it, and if it
continues to feel weird, don't be afraid to bail out.
But I think you're probably going to get some good
instruction there.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
It looks like, okay, good, Well tell you what the
other year?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
What the other part of this is. You know what
I'm going to say next? Right, You got to give
us a range report once you've been there.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Yes, sir, we'll be more happy to do that sounds good.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And if anybody listening has some information on TDI uh
let us know Tactical Defense Institute in Ohio, give us
a call and fill us in. Thanks for the call, sir.
Let me run over to Rich. He's online one out
of Buffalo, New York. Hey Rich, you're on gun Talk.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
What's that man?
Speaker 6 (03:03):
Hey Tom? Just a couple of quick things. One shout
out to Hornity.
Speaker 7 (03:08):
Believe it or not.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
I bought a powder measure online somewhere I don't remember
before COVID, and I just recently was able to finish
my reloading bench building it. And so I pulled this
thing out after probably almost seven years, and it's broken.
Who there's no indication in the box that it was
mangled or anything. And I called them up and without
(03:30):
even batting an eye, no question, Okay, we'll send you
a new one, no questions asked.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Did they once you send back the old one?
Speaker 6 (03:39):
No? No, they just you know, and for all they knew,
I broke this thing, you know, between now and seven
years ago, and didn't even didn't even question.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
What were you expecting when you call them with that? Well?
Speaker 6 (03:52):
I was hoping that, and from listening to you talk
about it quite often about gun manufacturers and stuff like that,
I kind of had a ninkling that they would take
care of me and just wanted to let you know
that they most certainly did.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Isn't that a wonderful thing, though? I Mean, there aren't
a lot of industries where you call somebody say, yeah,
I bought this thing seven years ago and I finally
got around to open and it's broken. I mean, most
people would go, you gotta be kidding me, really, no,
we're not.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Going to cover that.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Yeah, yeah, it probably just got crunched in shipping or something.
And you know, because I'm I'm sure the quality control
is really good, but you know it's out of their control.
And yeah, even covering something that the shipping company is
really responsible for, they just took care of it.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Yeah, it's a good company. All right. You got something
else you want to talk about?
Speaker 6 (04:39):
Yeah, I don't know if you ever heard of the
stealth Arms Platypus. It's a twenty eleven and the thing.
You can could customize it a bazillion different ways. Okay, yeah,
ever seen it?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
No? I know, I've just heard about it. I mean,
people rave about it.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
It's a great gun. You can get the the frame
however you want, stippled however you want. It's aluminum, so
it's it's permanent. Right. You can get a square trigger guard,
rounded trigger guard, skelt, nice trigger and hammer, all kinds
of different trigger weights. The slide you can get flat top,
round top, you know, pickrail, no pickrail, and if that
(05:21):
wasn't enough, you could get like every single slide, serration
and difference in parts like the hammer, the thasty, every
single thing. Any color you want, any color combination. It's amazing.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Why why did you do that?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well?
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Because you know I like orange, you know, and uh,
there's not many orange guns. I'm like, oh my god,
I could get this in combination of the bay Okay, wait.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
At wait, you just won No.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
One in thirty one years, I have never asked anybody
why they bought a particular gun, and the answer was, well,
I like orange.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
You win thee today.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
It's like I like turtles kids from back in the day, right.
And another thing, get it takes glock seventeen mags as well,
so they're cheap.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
Oh yeah, you.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Can step on them, rack them. Who cares? They're twenty bucks,
you know, right? And it shoots like a dream, you know,
it's it's a great gun.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Now are you using this as a competition gun strictly
ranged defense?
Speaker 6 (06:27):
What are you doing with it a competition? I shoot
the steel matches it. Steel matches with it mostly and
it fits in my hand great. A lot of times
the nineteen elevens the grip safety would get in the
way of my thumb and this one is just the
way the safety is oriented and everything in the thickness
of the grip it fits perfect.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
And I know.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
There's got to be some variation because you can customize
it all you want.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
But just ballpark. What does the platyfums cost?
Speaker 6 (06:56):
And it's it was about seventeen hundred, which you know
isn't cheap. But for all medal twenty eleven it's not.
It's probably ninety to ninety five percent of a staccado
for less than half the price.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, I mean that's really where we are now with
just good nineteen elevens, especially double stack nineteen elevens. Seventeen
is almost the starting point.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Right, Yeah. Yeah, it's a great value and they look great.
Speaker 8 (07:25):
You can How long have you had it?
Speaker 6 (07:29):
About a year and a half now, Okay.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
So you've put some rounds through. It's holding up, okay.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
Hunh Yeah, you had not a single misfire, you know,
they tell you there's a break in period and stuff
like that. Never nothing yet, nothing just the factory AMMO
obviously because they haven't done many reload yet.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Sure.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Yeah, it runs great.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Great, that's a great range report, Rich, thanks to the call.
I appreciate that range report. Let me jump down to Billings, Montana.
They got John called in on five. Hey John, what
you have there?
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Go ahead?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Hey there, go ahead, John. You're on the air, sir.
Speaker 9 (08:06):
Okay, I'm waiting.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Well, you say you called me. What do you want
to talk about?
Speaker 9 (08:15):
Well, you were talking earlier in your show today about
Dan Wesson and I have a Dan Wesson Guardian that
I've been caring for about four or five years, and
I have not been nothing but impressed with it.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Ah.
Speaker 9 (08:32):
I'm an iPSC shooter and I shot a lot of
thirty eight super in the open class and I found
this one available. Super's hard to find, but it's got
a fully supported chamber, so I can use the same
animo I did in competition.
Speaker 10 (08:48):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (08:48):
And I have probably put five six hundred rounds to
this pistol and it has never ever quit. It just
keeps feeding and seeing. I've been in for.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You know, I like the quality of the Dan Weston guns.
I got the one I bought and then just got
these two in to try out, and you know they're
in the got to send the back category, but still
having fun with them.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
So yeah, I like what they're doing.
Speaker 9 (09:14):
Oh yeah, I'll tell you. The slide fit to the
train is just incredible, just incredible.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I'm just going to say that's what I saw in
all three of these. It's like, Wow, these things were
really I mean, they got good triggers, but they're really
accurate out of the box.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
So I really like them. Yep, give it up.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
That's about as good as it gets. At the recommendation.
I appreciate the calls there. Thank you all right, quick
break here, We got time to get you in. If
you want to call me with your Ranger fort give
me a holler right now. At tom Talk.
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Speaker 2 (12:41):
Oh let's see you guys talk about things that are out.
Ruger and Lipsy's get together again and they've got Ellipses
exclusive a new Ruger RXIM which I like that pistol anyway.
They call it this CoA Edition exclusive. It is I'm
reading from the release a feature rich pistol. The pairs
(13:02):
the popular RXm platform with a highly sought after aim
points CoA red dot reflex system offered in both fifteen
and seventeen round models. The Ellipsis Exclusive Ruger RXm CoA
additions available in three colors, et cetera, et cetera. But
what they're doing is this is a if you don't know,
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(13:25):
dot and it's pretty robust and pretty impressive. So you
might take a look over at Lipses dot com take
a look at that thing. Gun Rights Group sues California
over eleven percent Firearms and Ammunition Tax Second Amendment Foundation
saf is FIUL suit or actually a motion for a
summary judgment California charges an eleven percent excise tax on firearms,
(13:50):
firearms parts, and ammunition. Now you know there's already eleven
percent xcise tax on all guns. It's a federal xcise tax.
So this is a eleven sent on top of the
eleven percent. So we're now twenty two percent in California
that you're having to pay, and saf is suing saying
this is a tax on a fundamental civil right.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Clearly it is right.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Could set a precedent to think about this on whether
the states can impose special taxes on the exercise of
any constitutional right. If the tax is uphild, it could
open the door for unlimited tax increases on firearms and
other civil liberties. It doesn't take much imagination to think
of a number of states would say, well, you know,
(14:39):
if they got away with eleven percent, let's make it
twenty percent or thirty or fifty percent or one hundred percent.
I mean, if they're allowed to tax a firearm, and
owning a firearm is an enumerated constitutional right, a fundamental
constitutional right. If you can tax it, you can eliminate it,
(15:04):
you can tax it out of business. That was, of course,
the original intent behind the two hundred dollars tax on
NFA items. In nineteen thirty four, you could buy a
suppressor for like ten bucks or less. They say, hey,
we're gonna put a two hundred dollar tax on it.
Think about that. So what's that two hundred percent tax?
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I think So what if they put that on a gun.
You got a thousand dollars gun, we'renna put a two
hundred percent tax on it. And you said, well, they
would never do that, Yes, they would, because they already did.
They already put a two hundred dollar tax on machine
guns and SBRs and suppressors back in nineteen thirty four.
(15:52):
In Rhode Island, they've already had a ban on the
sale and transfer of semi automatic firearms basically RS. And
immediately after that, no surprise, no surprise, because this is
what they really want. One of the legislators says, well,
(16:13):
you know, if it's too dangerous to sell, then it's
too dangerous to own. And so she said, we're just
going to amend that. We're going to change that to
include the word possess, so it'd be not just a
ban on the sale or transfer of RS, but the
(16:38):
possession of them. That would be a ban on the ownership.
That would be a confiscation of them. And then in Canada,
of course, they're requiring the registration of guns and they've
had like a two to three percent compliance rate. And
(17:00):
now in Cana they're saying, yeah, we're just gonna send
the police door to door. Not sure how well that
would work here, although there are plenty of politicians who
would do it. And again people say, well, they would
never do that here. Yes they would, because they already have.
In New Orleans Hurricane Katrina, they sent the police door
(17:22):
to door and if you weren't at home, they kicked
in your door and searched the house and took all
the guns. The mayor said, there will be no guns
here that are not owned by police. People say, well,
the police would never actually do that, Yes they would.
How do we know that, because they already did. They
(17:45):
will follow their orders or they'll find somebody who does.
He said, well, I quit, great, Bye. Joey over there.
He wants a job. He likes the Bennies, he likes
the retirement program. Indoors and take people's guns. Yes they will,
Jim said Matt for Oregon on too. Hey, Jim, you're
(18:06):
on gun talk.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
What you got?
Speaker 7 (18:09):
Hey, Tom, are you doing? I'm nice to talk to
you again. I bought one of your GG twenty five
is a long time ago, and I was just I've
been hearing you talk about how many you know, you
got so many in nineteen eleven, and I was just
curious what you thought of that in the in this
whole scheme of things all than that. Yeah, where you
would rate it?
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Okaya, fair question.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
GT twenty five was a commander size for that quarter
inch barrel nineteen eleven we did with Ruger. It came
out of their Ruger custom shop. I'm just trying to
let get everybody to know what we're talking about here,
and it was a ten minlimeter. What we did with that, Jim,
is we change the specs on that. It's a version
that Ruger never made, and we use parts from cylinder
(18:55):
and slide Bill Offfers's outfit and really up a lot
of the parts. I would offer that that pistol would
compare favorably with four thousand dollars pistols today. Now that
was what six years ago now maybe now by more
like five because we got caught up in COVID. We
were a little late with the T T twenty five,
(19:17):
so about five years ago, and that was helped me out.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Was that like seventeen hundred bucks for that pistol?
Speaker 7 (19:24):
That's what I paid for?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Okay, Yeah, that's what it was, seventeen hundred dollars. If
you can find them today. You can still find them
for about that price. If they ever, they rarely rarely
show up because I mean, we only made but three
hundred and fifty of them or something. I think it's
one of the better ninety eleven's out there. All the
ones that I have experienced and the reports I've gotten
for people say they really shoot well, mine really shoot well?
(19:48):
Well you have one, how does your shoot?
Speaker 7 (19:51):
I really like it. I think it's great. But I
don't have any other ones, so I didn't have anything
to compare it to. But that was that's why I
was curious what you vot, how it compared to all
the rest.
Speaker 10 (20:01):
Of you have.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Okay, I would say I would put it right up
against the three to four thousand dollars pistol or nineteen
eleven's being.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Made today, and I think it would hold up very well.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I just I mean, I really liked the pistol I
was really happy. I mean they were making Just as
an example, Ruger said, we can make five of these
a day because they had a special team in the
plant that made these, and they're hand lapping the parts
and getting it to fit just right. It's essentially a custom,
(20:36):
you know, production custom gun, but handmade by a select
team of people. So yeah, the GT twenty five I
think was one of the best of the gun Talk guns.
So you're lucky to have gotten one. The only thing
you got to do is shoot it more man.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Yeah, time for one more question real quick.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I got about a minute.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
Okay. I have an ar that I but ten fifteen
years ago, and I wanted to upgrade it, and I
was just wondering what kind of a barrel would you
put on something like that, that would that would work
for like say a mass you know you were going
to shoot it constantly? That would last?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Honestly My answer is going to sound weird, but I
would say, don't change anything, just keep shooting us. Unless
you think the barrel shot out or something. I'm not sure.
I mean, barrels last a long time, and it's really
hard to shoot out a two two three barrel. I
mean you're talking five thousand plus rounds, maybe ten thousand rounds,
and then when you do if it's me, I mean,
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you can spend a ton of money on high end barrels,
but unless you're doing competition work, I would probably just
buy an average run of the mill barrel and swap
it out and just keep on shooting. Now having said that,
I mean I'm not a competition shooter. You can do
in long range stuff and oh yes, spend the money
you want with that very fine accuracy. But if you're
(22:03):
like me, I just like to go to the range
and shoot. But I'm just gonna get something to throws
the browns. Well, not that I want it to be
a acurate but not. I'm not gonna stand crazy body
on it. Just but you know, I tell you, you
do you.
Speaker 10 (22:22):
I just want to go to the places I want
to go, and I want to hunt with people I
want to hunt with, and I don't care if I
pull the trigger.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
But I'm with you.
Speaker 10 (22:29):
If there's a somebody that's a friend of friends who's
got a kid, or somebody that's want to be introduced
to sport, bring them on, baby. I am absolutely up
for that task of love it.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresham, of course,
and you can call us anytime because we'll talk about
darning or anything. Give you a call it Tom Talk Gun.
That's the number. Easy to remember that way, Tom Talk Gun.
It is that time of year we're thinking about spring stuff. Yeah, man,
in the fall we talk about hunting. But you know
a lot of us hunt. Well pretty much you're a
(22:58):
round and the guy I'm talking with right now, Chris
Ellis from Timmy Tregger's. I don't know that you ever
stopp hunting.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Burner. Well, I don't tell too many people.
Speaker 10 (23:06):
Especially my employer and my wife, but no, yeah, absolutely hunt.
I hunt turkey birds and anytime there's a season, and yeah,
I'm notorious squirrel hunter, notorious white tail hunter. The reason
being Tom is I kind.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Of like to eat.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Well, you know, I mean, I know if somebody calls
you and says, hey, Chris, you want to go on
and X whatever it is, hunt the.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Extras for sure. Let me just check our schedule.
Speaker 10 (23:30):
Usually it's yes, and then I'll forgo ot my schedule right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Yeah, sure we're going to do that. I'll go clear
the schedule. Let's go absolutely exactly.
Speaker 10 (23:39):
Well, you and I in a couple of weeks, we're
going to be going down to the NRA show. And
I thought, well, that's right in the manner of turkey season.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
We've got to stop.
Speaker 10 (23:47):
By Oklahoma on the way down and see if I
can't fool one of those rio turkeys into a shotgun.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Rang. We know.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I like the way you think, because for a hunter,
for anybody else, they would look at that and think, yeah,
that's I am really on the way Chris. He said, no, no, no,
when you're a hunter, you go yeah. But we can
make it on the way because we'll just bend that
line a little bit over there.
Speaker 10 (24:09):
Well, sure, it's least in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
I mean true, it's not next to Maine.
Speaker 10 (24:14):
We're going to Texas State.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Okay, so you'll love this. I for about the last
two weeks. Our turkey season doesn't open until next week,
and but for the last two weeks, every morning I
step out on my deck, I give a big old
hootol and then I get them gobbling because I know
where they roosed up the hill right behind the house.
And then sometimes I'll take my call out and start calling.
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I'll walk up and down the road behind our house
and make them think it's a hen. And I'm just
like Doctor Doolittle. I'm out there talking to the animals.
I'm having such a good old time.
Speaker 10 (24:48):
Isn't it fun?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
It really is.
Speaker 10 (24:51):
I love to hunt when I can communicate as I
get older, just to be able to communicate with that animal.
And I don't care if it's sparking to a squirrel
or buglingto an elk, or yelp into a turkey or whatever.
When they respond, I just find that it just firks joy.
It's it just adds.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
Another dimension to that hunt.
Speaker 10 (25:08):
I guess duck hunters have done it well.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
We had a boys. Duck hunters known that for years
there and years.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I was just gonna say, it's funny you say that,
because I kind of figured out at some point there's
just something.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Extra about it.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
When I can call and as you say, whether it's
an elk or a duck, or a goose or a turkey,
you got some interaction going back and forth. And I
love to hunt elk, you know, and later season you're
not calling, but if you can get a chance to
get out there in this bugling season, it's a whole
different thing.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Oh, it's so much fun.
Speaker 10 (25:37):
And you know, they compare turkeys to elk, and I
don't know if that's necessarily an apples to apples comparison,
but I have.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Been in the elk woods when they're.
Speaker 10 (25:45):
Bugling like crazy and very very active, and I've been
in the turkey woods for the last thirty six years,
and when they're gobbling and they're acting like crazy, it
is a store a heck of a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Well, especially if you got them like on different sides
of you going off your shirt.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Sure what you're supposed to do with that? I love it.
Speaker 10 (26:03):
I mean absolutely, I've been afflicted by the wild turkey
for like I said, I've been my thirty sixth season
hunting them fall in winter and spring. But yeah, if
I get an opportunity, I know this is this is
I'm really telling all myself.
Speaker 8 (26:18):
But yeah, for example, n RA show in Texas.
Speaker 10 (26:22):
Why not look and see what's in Oklahoma that's by
for a.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Day, or we'll swing over there and do all right,
So let's talk about gear because turkey. Yeah, I mean
I started hunting with Ben rogers Lee, so there are
very few people are gonna know what I'm talking about
but you do.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
We're talking.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
We're talking away, all right. You'll love this. One of
my favorite quotes from Ben. We're sitting out there just
at first light. We're standing on dirt road, right and
he hoots, we're here, gobbler over there.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
He looks at me and says, there's one too many
people standing here. In other words, I'm going.
Speaker 10 (26:59):
After this turn, and you're not exactly You didn't care
where you're going, You're just not Going's.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Right, That's right, all right. So that's a long time ago.
We got different gear today. I mean, we're basically just
taking whatever shotgun we used for waterfowl or anything else.
The gears different and specialized for turkey hunting. Now not it,
you know, don't want to leave out the trigger, but
it's we're basically shooting a shotgun like a rifle.
Speaker 10 (27:25):
Yeah, it was. I'd have to think back on. I
was extremely proud of our customers. They wanted an eight
seventy trigger fix is what they called it back in
the day.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
And you're exactly right.
Speaker 10 (27:38):
The slug gun hunters, the turkey hunters, and even the
trap shooters to some extent, basically what you were doing,
you were trying to squeeze accuracy. It's the same thing
we've been doing with rifles for your years. You're just
trying to squeeze a little bit more accuracy out of it.
If you're going to have a load choke combination and
you're going to super tighten that choke up, then you
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really need that trigger to go boom the same way
twice if you want that, you know, that pattern to
hit the same way. Especially when people started, you know,
stretching the boundaries a little bit of turkey hunting on
some of the distance, just like long range shooting. You know,
you know what I was going up. If you shot
a turkey at twenty twenty two yards, that was a
long shot.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Nowadays got these crazy loads and chokes. I mean it's
like what sixty seventy yards.
Speaker 10 (28:26):
I guess it just depends on like long range shooting
for elk or western hanging out. If you're talented and
you've got the time and energy and you can prove
that you can do it, go for it. But yeah,
for stretch the barrel to a thirty yard turkey shot
of thirty five, a trigger does matter.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
And that little trigger, that little.
Speaker 10 (28:43):
Eight seventy fix It's all it does is tighten up
when that trigger is going to break and make that
trigger more repeatable every single time. So you have the
muscle memory turkey hunters, slug gun deer hunters to when
you call for that shot. You've got to get up
hitting right where you've been practicing.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
You know, you and I have done this for a
long time, and it is hard to describe what you're
talking about, what the advantage is of a trigger, because
it's a field thing. You know, it's just and I
kind of figured one thing out, and you know, we
all talk about you know, all right, I want to
shoot right now.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
The difference is a really good trigger, it goes.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Off before you can finish the end in now right,
absolutely right, and it's gone. It's like you think about it,
it's gone, and the difference is everything.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
It's exactly right.
Speaker 10 (29:38):
It's more of a mental call than it is because
you take all the physical creep and slop and just
the nastiness of a bad trigger. You take that out
and you get it to where it's down to a
muscle memory and it's totally repeatable with a little bit
of practice. You know, exactly when your brain says I
can make that shot that elks at two hundred and
nineteen yards. I practice make that shot. It's now a
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mental decision, and the gun goes follows your brain because
you have practice and you have that muscle memory.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
It's the same thing.
Speaker 10 (30:08):
We've talked about this in the past, but the same
thing as somebody shooting a free throw over and over,
golfer sinking a putt or whatever. It's because they have
so much repetition, repetition behind them and so much muscle
memory that when their brain says I'm taking the shot,
they take the shot and they score.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
YEP. I share a quick story with you.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I just got down a rifle because I'm crazy about
Melvin Forbes just ulted light arms sitting and you know,
I mean, you knew Melvin good Old And I got
another one if he is and came in two two
three left handed. Of course I do that thing the
wrong handed, So there you go, and try to trigger
it out and went, oh man, that's light. Holy smoke.
I mean, I like light triggers. But that was like, okay,
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I gotta do something about that. And I remembered, wait
a minute, Malvioln put too many triggers in his guns.
All I got to do is adjust that. It's a
it's a nothing.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
It's enough. I'll just make that whatever I wanted to be.
Speaker 10 (31:03):
Yeah, he Melvin used our triggers long long, long, long,
long time ago and always always insisted that that you
use attendee and he understood the quality. And Melvin was
a dear friend of mine. He taught us a lot,
to be honest with you, because you know, Melvin was way.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Before his time. Oh he was a savant, he really was.
He was.
Speaker 10 (31:22):
I mean that new new ultra light arms, that super lightweight.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
You know, I carry him. You carry him.
Speaker 10 (31:28):
The reason we do is because the first of all,
they're amazing hunting tool, and second of all, they shoot
better than we do.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
I mean, they just do.
Speaker 10 (31:36):
But he knew quality, and he knew what the what
the customer wanted, and he knew what he wanted to
put his name on, and he was way out in
front of this industry as just a West Virginia boy
that grew up as a shop teacher and just wanted
to make the lightest, lightweight, accurate hunting rifle. He did it.
I mean Melvin, I still carry Melvin today. I mean
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I'm Melvin rifle was my go to.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, me too. I ask you, I'm looking at the website.
You're doing these uh like giveaways. Got I'm looking at
your April giveaway right now. I got an ar trigger.
Speaker 12 (32:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
It started many, many years ago.
Speaker 10 (32:10):
And again we had we have the best customers world.
Every manufacturer says they have the best customers world, but
I'm pretty partial to ours. And one of the things
that that I thought would kind of be cool and
they really really got behind it, was so every month
we just pick a maybe it's a popular trigger, maybe
it's a trigger that people hadn't really heard of, or
it's a new genre or whatever, and we just give
them a chance to win it. You get our website
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and there's a little giveaway button there at the top.
You push that and hey, if you like that trigger,
you have a gun that you need a trigger for,
why not? You know, it's fun.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
It's Timmy triggers. It's t I M N e y
people trying to figure out how to spell it t
I M anyway, timn triggers dot and then this case
just Timmy Triggers dot com. All right, so we got that,
you got triggers for shotguns. You got triggers for rifles
and you got into the handgun market some years ago,
and you're you're.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Really on top of that.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
Oh, we absolutely Again, our customers asked us to build
a competition trigger. We started out with Alpha Competition with
Glock Gen three fours, and then they asked us for
the Gen five and then we expanded that, you know,
to the Ultimate Builder's Kit, and we have different colors
and shoes and just whatever our customers want. Well, it
didn't take them long. When Glock introduced a new Gen six,
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they wanted to know if Timdy would make a replacement trigger,
competition trigger for that. And that's been about a month ago,
maybe just a touch more. So it's brand spanking new
that we came out with that. But yeah, we our
Alpha Competition series has just been an absolute game changer
as far as what our customers asked for and what
we've been able with their help to deliver to the market.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
So we're excited about that. Yeah, I'm thinking about that.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
In competition shooters, they're kind of like the race car drivers.
They do the proving ground stuff for us and we
get the benefit of it, but they would not be
taking their guns apart and putting in replacement triggers unless
they fail like a gamem an advantage.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
I really as simple as that, exactly.
Speaker 10 (34:04):
Bow hunters, competition shooters, they're all cut from the same thread.
If there is any way they can squeak out a
little bit of an advantage, a little bit more accuracy
or a little bit more yardage, they don't care what
hurdle they got to jump over.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
And if they got to take.
Speaker 10 (34:17):
A gun apart to put a new triger in that
that's that's price pick well paid for accuracy right for competition?
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Oh yeah, I mean a couple of points makes the
difference between going home with the trophy and just going home.
Speaker 10 (34:29):
Absolutely, meaning you you know, lifelong hunters, we concentrate on
a minute of angle of elk or the minute of
an angle of white tail. And don't get me wrong,
I mean we're we're tightening up our groups as tight
as possible because that's how we are. But those competition ladies,
they're men and ladies, they're they're they're different, they're different.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Different, aren't they.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Absolutely there's this there's absolutely nothing they wouldn't do to
get one more point or one hundredth of a second
off their time. And I want to say it's not
that the guns being made now have bad triggers. I
think actually, factor triggers now are so much better than
worth thirty years ago.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
It's just that even though it's a good trigger, the.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Manufacturers generally can't or don't want to give you a
great trigger.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Fair enough.
Speaker 8 (35:13):
Yeah, but you're exactly right.
Speaker 10 (35:14):
Triggers, Well, Tom, you and I have been talking about
triggers for over twenty years and we really haven't changed
our you know, our delivery on it. It helps you
become more accurate with your firearm. That's it's period. That's
that's it. I mean, it's there's nothing else besides that.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Better you just shoot shoot better.
Speaker 10 (35:30):
Yeah, But to your point, the triggers that are coming
on factory guns now and just the just the barrels
and just the factory guns and period in general, the
amos better, the technology is better, the you know, the
way they cut metal nowadays, the way we cut metal
nowadays is much better. All that stuff is so much
better than it was twenty thirty years ago, and it
just keeps getting better. But yeah, the replacement trigger, if
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you need a trigger.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Replace it, if you don't don't, right.
Speaker 10 (35:59):
I mean, if you that, you're real happy.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Here's the problem with that, though, cus is a lot
of people are happy with the situation that they don't
know can be a good bit better because they hadn't
been exposed to it.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
I don't know what you do with that.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
If you've never experienced what a really good trigger can do,
you just don't know what you're missing out.
Speaker 10 (36:19):
On until you're at a range and try someone else's
firearm that has a decent trigger, or until you put
a trigger in it and understand, your eyes aren't open
until they're open. But once you know, you know, you're
like me and you once you know, you've got to
replace the trigger on everything you can.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
And then, okay, here's the part that we don't talk about,
and it is the ugly part of this whole thing.
Once you start doing that, you're cursed to become a
trigger snob. From that point forward.
Speaker 10 (36:45):
You gladly be called a snob for the first time
in your life.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
You're like, yep, I.
Speaker 10 (36:50):
Am officially a tongue question you are.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I mean, it's like you're thinking, yeah, okay, yeah, that's
a nice rifle you got there, guy, But and then
quietly you're thinking, pammit that trigger, holy cow, and it
ruins you. The first thing we do, what do we do?
We check your accent, We try the trigger on a gun.
Speaker 10 (37:05):
Well it also you know, it can save you a
lot of cash too, because you probably got some guns
in your gun cabinet there and your gun safety. They
are probably good shooters if they had a trigger. Right. So,
if you're getting a little tighter or whatever, the world's
a little tight and you needed to put good scope
on it last year, maybe put a sling, worked up
some handloads or whatever, but you're still not getting that accuracy.
For a little bit of cash, you could try a
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trigger and see if it tightens up. I'm betting it will,
all right.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
And one last thing I want to say, if you
don't know how to put in a trigger, fear not,
because the folks Attimney will help you out. You got videos,
you got people you could talk to. I mean, you
make it possible and even easy.
Speaker 10 (37:39):
Eighty years we've been telling people and teach them how
to watch triggers, minter and how to put them in firearms.
Speaker 8 (37:44):
We got that down.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
If they need help, I'm gonna be at the NRA Show.
You're gonna be over there too, right?
Speaker 9 (37:50):
Well?
Speaker 10 (37:50):
Absolutely, I'm hopefully I'll have some fresh turkey in my
check in, but go ahead.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I just gonna say, uh, for folks, there are people
who are listening who are going to be at the
RA Annual meetings in Houston.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Be sure, die By, Are you guys gonna have a
booth there? Absolutely?
Speaker 10 (38:03):
Yeah, we'll have our full technical folks there. If you
got any questions, We'll have all our men and women
that know everything about guns and triggers. Stop buying, shot
the stump to jump and tell us what suggars we
should be building. That's the funnest port about the NRARA
Show is learning what we know where all these triggers
came from the age seventy and the glockie all came
from somebody telling us, Hey, won't y'all make a timney
for that walk up.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
To Chris and say hey, I want to show you
a picture of my deer, my elk, or my turkey
or something. And then you guys could take that turn
swapping pictures and show me everybody or what you' even.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Out there shooting.
Speaker 10 (38:30):
I'd love that would make my day yeah, if you're
a hunter out there, stop buying. See me at the
NRRA show.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
There you go, Chris Alis.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I appreciate your time, I appreciate your friendship, and you
guys make good stuff. I'm just gonna tell people, I've
been using Timney's triggers for fifty years, and uh, I
believe it and I use them.
Speaker 10 (38:45):
Well, I appreciate that work for Timdy for twenty one.
Now talk You've been talking triggers together for twenty one years.
Isn't it crazy?
Speaker 3 (38:51):
That?
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Yeah? Cow, Well it's good company. You know.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
It's nice when you work in a place you never
have to make any excuses for.
Speaker 10 (39:00):
I love it. I love I love American manufacturing, love
the Second Amendment.
Speaker 8 (39:03):
I love to hunt.
Speaker 10 (39:04):
So that's just right up my aleand there you go.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Look, I will see you in Houston, my friend.
Speaker 8 (39:08):
I'll be there.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
I'm looking at this story out of California and had
a flashback to when I was growing up. The story
is someone may have maliciously caused a huge rodent invasion
in California. Sube is the state's multimillion dollar war on
neutria continues. All right, they got nutria in California and
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they think they came from Oregon. I remember seeing nutrient
in Oregon, like twenty five thirty years ago. I was
played at a golf course there. Saw I'm swimming around.
What's the nutrient? Well, growing up in Louisiana, we're kind
of the home of nutrient. It's a twenty five twenty
to twenty five pound rat. Basically think of a beaver
that's cosmetically challenged. It has a skinny tale instead of
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a flat tail, so it just looks like a rat.
And it is came from South America or big old
orange teeth. He'll tippered things well. As a kid, teenager,
we lived on a lake. We would go out and
hunt frogs, hunt this hunt that we decided we would
go out and hunt nutria at night with a bow.
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And I don't know why, but I decided to use
my bow fishing rig. That's the one where you shoot
a really heavy, solid fiberglass arrow attached to a piece
of line that comes back to the bow. When you
shoot a fish, you can pull it back in. Sure enough,
We're going along at night spotlighting this nutria in like
a fourteen foot john boat and I shoot this nutria.
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Didn't really make good contact with it just got under
the skin. And now I am attached by this line
to a twenty five pound really angry rat, and I'm
pulling it in towards the boat and he's splashing and
going crazy, and I'm thinking, all right, what are we
gonna do here? But I thought ahead. You know when
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you go to the baseball games and they give out
those little tiny souvenir baseball bats.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Yeah, they had one of those in the boat.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
So you can imagine fourteen year old Tom leaning overside
of this boat having hauled in this twenty five pound
rat that's just losing its mind because it got stuck
by this arrow and just under the skin. I pulled
it in and it's thrashing around, and I'm racing around
with this baseball bat, and I'm wailing on this thing
to try to pacify it, if you will. It was
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I'm sure if somebody happened to be watching the biggest
goat rope you've ever seen. I did survive it. I
did conquer, and the Nutria bit the dust. People are
always trying to figure out how to get rid of Nutria.
They tried something in Louisiana many years ago. The marketing
on it was a little bit suspect. They decided to
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market to restaurants and get the restaurants to serve it
as a Louisiana food, but nobody wanted to eat a nutrient,
so they rebranded the meat and they titled it swamp rebbit. Yeah,
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nobody was having that either. They were not gonna be
able to cont anybody into thinking that this big rat
was a swamp rabbitt. And so now you've got actually
sheriff's departments in some parts of the state of Louisiana.
They're going round at night spotlight and nutria shooting them
to get them off the levees because they dig holes
in the levees and we need the levees for flood
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protection and these things are drilling big holes and eroding though.
So they're out there it looks like zero dark thirty.
You know, Seal Team six going after nutrient a night
with nods and night vision and everything else. It is
great fun, but there is no possibility ever of wiping
out nutrients. Kind of like trying to get rid of
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the faral hogs. Now that ship has sailed and it
is not coming back. You can knock down the numbers
as best you can be, which you're not going to.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Get rid of them. So there you go.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
There's my nutriar story, and that's basically a good glimpse
of how I grew up on the water in boats
with guns, with bows with everything else. We skied behind everything,
We skied on top of everything. We would turn the
top of a ice and Nick glue cooter upside down
and jump on that and ski on that. It was
a wacky way to grow up, but boy, it was
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sure fun. Don't go far, we'll be right back. I'm
Tom Gresham, glad that you're here.
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Speaker 2 (00:14):
Oh Man, there's so much for us to talk about.
A lot of things going on in the news. I'm
going to get to those in just a little bit.
A lot of thing's happening with gun rights and fighting
courts and what the debacle that's going on in the
Commonwealth of Virginia with the governor signing a whole bunch
of gun control bills. Gun bands waiting to see if
she go ahead and signs the ban on semi automatic firearms.
(00:39):
Harmie Dillon, the Assistant Attorney General Party wrote the governor
and said if you sign this, we will sue you,
basically saying if you try to ban AR fifteen's, that's
unconstitutional and we will sue you for that. We'll see
more about that and just a little bit first, let's go.
The phone was lying three you Malcolm's with us out
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of Saint Mary's, West, Virginia. Hey, Malcolm, thank you for
your patience. How can we help.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Hi Tom, I was I've already signed up for a
shotgun class with a tactical defense institute in Ohio, and
I was wondering if you've ever had any experience or
any of the callers have had any experience with this facility.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I have not.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I went to the website tdiohio dot com looking at that,
it looks like they have a lot of different classes.
I don't know anything about them firsthand or even by reputation.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
How did you decide on them? How did you find them?
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Well, I've contacted several places because I've recently acquired a
Vanelli M four and I was wanting to take a
shotgun class with it, and a lot of places have
just not gotten back to me in Virginia, so I
started doing a wider search and came up with this
institute in Ohio.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So my sense is, just looking at it, I think
it probably is a pretty good facility. I think you're
going to enjoy it. As you probably have heard me
say before, just go into it with your eyes open
and make sure that everything looks safe and like it's
supposed to be. If something looks weird or seems weird,
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honor that feeling and ask about it, and if it
continues to feel weird, don't be afraid to bail out.
But I think you're probably going to get some good
instruction there.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
It looks like, okay, good, Well tell you what the
other year?
Speaker 2 (02:37):
What the other part of this is. You know what
I'm going to say next? Right, You got to give
us a range report once you've been there.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Yes, sir, we'll be more happy to do that sounds good.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And if anybody listening has some information on TDI uh
let us know Tactical Defense Institute in Ohio, give us
a call and fill us in. Thanks for the call, sir.
Let me run over to Rich. He's online one out
of Buffalo, New York. Hey Rich, you're on gun Talk.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
What's that man?
Speaker 6 (03:03):
Hey Tom? Just a couple of quick things. One shout
out to Hornity.
Speaker 7 (03:08):
Believe it or not.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
I bought a powder measure online somewhere I don't remember
before COVID, and I just recently was able to finish
my reloading bench building it. And so I pulled this
thing out after probably almost seven years, and it's broken.
Who there's no indication in the box that it was
mangled or anything. And I called them up and without
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even batting an eye, no question, Okay, we'll send you
a new one, no questions asked.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Did they once you send back the old one?
Speaker 6 (03:39):
No? No, they just you know, and for all they knew,
I broke this thing, you know, between now and seven
years ago, and didn't even didn't even question.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
What were you expecting when you call them with that? Well?
Speaker 6 (03:52):
I was hoping that, and from listening to you talk
about it quite often about gun manufacturers and stuff like that,
I kind of had a ninkling that they would take
care of me and just wanted to let you know
that they most certainly did.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Isn't that a wonderful thing, though? I Mean, there aren't
a lot of industries where you call somebody say, yeah,
I bought this thing seven years ago and I finally
got around to open and it's broken. I mean, most
people would go, you gotta be kidding me, really, no,
we're not.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Going to cover that.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Yeah, yeah, it probably just got crunched in shipping or something.
And you know, because I'm I'm sure the quality control
is really good, but you know it's out of their control.
And yeah, even covering something that the shipping company is
really responsible for, they just took care of it.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Yeah, it's a good company. All right. You got something
else you want to talk about?
Speaker 6 (04:39):
Yeah, I don't know if you ever heard of the
stealth Arms Platypus. It's a twenty eleven and the thing.
You can could customize it a bazillion different ways. Okay, yeah,
ever seen it?
Speaker 4 (04:53):
No? I know, I've just heard about it. I mean,
people rave about it.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
It's a great gun. You can get the the frame
however you want, stippled however you want. It's aluminum, so
it's it's permanent. Right. You can get a square trigger guard,
rounded trigger guard, skelt, nice trigger and hammer, all kinds
of different trigger weights. The slide you can get flat top,
round top, you know, pickrail, no pickrail, and if that
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wasn't enough, you could get like every single slide, serration
and difference in parts like the hammer, the thasty, every
single thing. Any color you want, any color combination. It's amazing.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Why why did you do that?
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well?
Speaker 6 (05:40):
Because you know I like orange, you know, and uh,
there's not many orange guns. I'm like, oh my god,
I could get this in combination of the bay Okay, wait.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
At wait, you just won No.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
One in thirty one years, I have never asked anybody
why they bought a particular gun, and the answer was, well,
I like orange.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
You win thee today.
Speaker 6 (06:02):
It's like I like turtles kids from back in the day, right.
And another thing, get it takes glock seventeen mags as well,
so they're cheap.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
Oh yeah, you.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Can step on them, rack them. Who cares? They're twenty bucks,
you know, right? And it shoots like a dream, you know,
it's it's a great gun.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Now are you using this as a competition gun strictly
ranged defense?
Speaker 6 (06:27):
What are you doing with it a competition? I shoot
the steel matches it. Steel matches with it mostly and
it fits in my hand great. A lot of times
the nineteen elevens the grip safety would get in the
way of my thumb and this one is just the
way the safety is oriented and everything in the thickness
of the grip it fits perfect.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
And I know.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
There's got to be some variation because you can customize
it all you want.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
But just ballpark. What does the platyfums cost?
Speaker 6 (06:56):
And it's it was about seventeen hundred, which you know
isn't cheap. But for all medal twenty eleven it's not.
It's probably ninety to ninety five percent of a staccado
for less than half the price.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Yeah, I mean that's really where we are now with
just good nineteen elevens, especially double stack nineteen elevens. Seventeen
is almost the starting point.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
Right, Yeah. Yeah, it's a great value and they look great.
Speaker 8 (07:25):
You can How long have you had it?
Speaker 6 (07:29):
About a year and a half now, Okay.
Speaker 4 (07:31):
So you've put some rounds through. It's holding up, okay.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
Hunh Yeah, you had not a single misfire, you know,
they tell you there's a break in period and stuff
like that. Never nothing yet, nothing just the factory AMMO
obviously because they haven't done many reload yet.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Sure.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
Yeah, it runs great.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Great, that's a great range report, Rich, thanks to the call.
I appreciate that range report. Let me jump down to Billings, Montana.
They got John called in on five. Hey John, what
you have there?
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Go ahead?
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Hey there, go ahead, John. You're on the air, sir.
Speaker 9 (08:06):
Okay, I'm waiting.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
Well, you say you called me. What do you want
to talk about?
Speaker 9 (08:15):
Well, you were talking earlier in your show today about
Dan Wesson and I have a Dan Wesson Guardian that
I've been caring for about four or five years, and
I have not been nothing but impressed with it.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Ah.
Speaker 9 (08:32):
I'm an iPSC shooter and I shot a lot of
thirty eight super in the open class and I found
this one available. Super's hard to find, but it's got
a fully supported chamber, so I can use the same
animo I did in competition.
Speaker 10 (08:48):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (08:48):
And I have probably put five six hundred rounds to
this pistol and it has never ever quit. It just
keeps feeding and seeing. I've been in for.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
You know, I like the quality of the Dan Weston guns.
I got the one I bought and then just got
these two in to try out, and you know they're
in the got to send the back category, but still
having fun with them.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
So yeah, I like what they're doing.
Speaker 9 (09:14):
Oh yeah, I'll tell you. The slide fit to the
train is just incredible, just incredible.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
I'm just going to say that's what I saw in
all three of these. It's like, Wow, these things were
really I mean, they got good triggers, but they're really
accurate out of the box.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
So I really like them. Yep, give it up.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
That's about as good as it gets. At the recommendation.
I appreciate the calls there. Thank you all right, quick
break here, We got time to get you in. If
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Speaker 2 (12:41):
Oh let's see you guys talk about things that are out.
Ruger and Lipsy's get together again and they've got Ellipses
exclusive a new Ruger RXIM which I like that pistol anyway.
They call it this CoA Edition exclusive. It is I'm
reading from the release a feature rich pistol. The pairs
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the popular RXm platform with a highly sought after aim
points CoA red dot reflex system offered in both fifteen
and seventeen round models. The Ellipsis Exclusive Ruger RXm CoA
additions available in three colors, et cetera, et cetera. But
what they're doing is this is a if you don't know,
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dot and it's pretty robust and pretty impressive. So you
might take a look over at Lipses dot com take
a look at that thing. Gun Rights Group sues California
over eleven percent Firearms and Ammunition Tax Second Amendment Foundation
saf is FIUL suit or actually a motion for a
summary judgment California charges an eleven percent excise tax on firearms,
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firearms parts, and ammunition. Now you know there's already eleven
percent xcise tax on all guns. It's a federal xcise tax.
So this is a eleven sent on top of the
eleven percent. So we're now twenty two percent in California
that you're having to pay, and saf is suing saying
this is a tax on a fundamental civil right.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Clearly it is right.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Could set a precedent to think about this on whether
the states can impose special taxes on the exercise of
any constitutional right. If the tax is uphild, it could
open the door for unlimited tax increases on firearms and
other civil liberties. It doesn't take much imagination to think
of a number of states would say, well, you know,
(14:39):
if they got away with eleven percent, let's make it
twenty percent or thirty or fifty percent or one hundred percent.
I mean, if they're allowed to tax a firearm, and
owning a firearm is an enumerated constitutional right, a fundamental
constitutional right. If you can tax it, you can eliminate it,
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you can tax it out of business. That was, of course,
the original intent behind the two hundred dollars tax on
NFA items. In nineteen thirty four, you could buy a
suppressor for like ten bucks or less. They say, hey,
we're gonna put a two hundred dollar tax on it.
Think about that. So what's that two hundred percent tax?
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I think So what if they put that on a gun.
You got a thousand dollars gun, we'renna put a two
hundred percent tax on it. And you said, well, they
would never do that, Yes, they would, because they already did.
They already put a two hundred dollar tax on machine
guns and SBRs and suppressors back in nineteen thirty four.
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In Rhode Island, they've already had a ban on the
sale and transfer of semi automatic firearms basically RS. And
immediately after that, no surprise, no surprise, because this is
what they really want. One of the legislators says, well,
(16:13):
you know, if it's too dangerous to sell, then it's
too dangerous to own. And so she said, we're just
going to amend that. We're going to change that to
include the word possess, so it'd be not just a
ban on the sale or transfer of RS, but the
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possession of them. That would be a ban on the ownership.
That would be a confiscation of them. And then in Canada,
of course, they're requiring the registration of guns and they've
had like a two to three percent compliance rate. And
(17:00):
now in Cana they're saying, yeah, we're just gonna send
the police door to door. Not sure how well that
would work here, although there are plenty of politicians who
would do it. And again people say, well, they would
never do that here. Yes they would, because they already have.
In New Orleans Hurricane Katrina, they sent the police door
(17:22):
to door and if you weren't at home, they kicked
in your door and searched the house and took all
the guns. The mayor said, there will be no guns
here that are not owned by police. People say, well,
the police would never actually do that, Yes they would.
How do we know that, because they already did. They
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will follow their orders or they'll find somebody who does.
He said, well, I quit, great, Bye. Joey over there.
He wants a job. He likes the Bennies, he likes
the retirement program. Indoors and take people's guns. Yes they will,
Jim said Matt for Oregon on too. Hey, Jim, you're
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on gun talk.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
What you got?
Speaker 7 (18:09):
Hey, Tom, are you doing? I'm nice to talk to
you again. I bought one of your GG twenty five
is a long time ago, and I was just I've
been hearing you talk about how many you know, you
got so many in nineteen eleven, and I was just
curious what you thought of that in the in this
whole scheme of things all than that. Yeah, where you
would rate it?
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Okaya, fair question.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
GT twenty five was a commander size for that quarter
inch barrel nineteen eleven we did with Ruger. It came
out of their Ruger custom shop. I'm just trying to
let get everybody to know what we're talking about here,
and it was a ten minlimeter. What we did with that, Jim,
is we change the specs on that. It's a version
that Ruger never made, and we use parts from cylinder
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and slide Bill Offfers's outfit and really up a lot
of the parts. I would offer that that pistol would
compare favorably with four thousand dollars pistols today. Now that
was what six years ago now maybe now by more
like five because we got caught up in COVID. We
were a little late with the T T twenty five,
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so about five years ago, and that was helped me out.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Was that like seventeen hundred bucks for that pistol?
Speaker 7 (19:24):
That's what I paid for?
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Okay, Yeah, that's what it was, seventeen hundred dollars. If
you can find them today. You can still find them
for about that price. If they ever, they rarely rarely
show up because I mean, we only made but three
hundred and fifty of them or something. I think it's
one of the better ninety eleven's out there. All the
ones that I have experienced and the reports I've gotten
for people say they really shoot well, mine really shoot well?
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Well you have one, how does your shoot?
Speaker 7 (19:51):
I really like it. I think it's great. But I
don't have any other ones, so I didn't have anything
to compare it to. But that was that's why I
was curious what you vot, how it compared to all
the rest.
Speaker 10 (20:01):
Of you have.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Okay, I would say I would put it right up
against the three to four thousand dollars pistol or nineteen
eleven's being.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Made today, and I think it would hold up very well.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I just I mean, I really liked the pistol I
was really happy. I mean they were making Just as
an example, Ruger said, we can make five of these
a day because they had a special team in the
plant that made these, and they're hand lapping the parts
and getting it to fit just right. It's essentially a custom,
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you know, production custom gun, but handmade by a select
team of people. So yeah, the GT twenty five I
think was one of the best of the gun Talk guns.
So you're lucky to have gotten one. The only thing
you got to do is shoot it more man.
Speaker 7 (20:55):
Yeah, time for one more question real quick.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
I got about a minute.
Speaker 7 (20:59):
Okay. I have an ar that I but ten fifteen
years ago, and I wanted to upgrade it, and I
was just wondering what kind of a barrel would you
put on something like that, that would that would work
for like say a mass you know you were going
to shoot it constantly? That would last?
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Are you?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Honestly My answer is going to sound weird, but I
would say, don't change anything, just keep shooting us. Unless
you think the barrel shot out or something. I'm not sure.
I mean, barrels last a long time, and it's really
hard to shoot out a two two three barrel. I
mean you're talking five thousand plus rounds, maybe ten thousand rounds,
and then when you do if it's me, I mean,
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you can spend a ton of money on high end barrels,
but unless you're doing competition work, I would probably just
buy an average run of the mill barrel and swap
it out and just keep on shooting. Now having said that,
I mean I'm not a competition shooter. You can do
in long range stuff and oh yes, spend the money
you want with that very fine accuracy. But if you're
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like me, I just like to go to the range
and shoot. But I'm just gonna get something to throws
the browns. Well, not that I want it to be
a acurate but not. I'm not gonna stand crazy body
on it. Just but you know, I tell you, you
do you.
Speaker 10 (22:22):
I just want to go to the places I want
to go, and I want to hunt with people I
want to hunt with, and I don't care if I
pull the trigger.
Speaker 8 (22:28):
But I'm with you.
Speaker 10 (22:29):
If there's a somebody that's a friend of friends who's
got a kid, or somebody that's want to be introduced
to sport, bring them on, baby. I am absolutely up
for that task of love it.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. I'm Tom Gresham, of course,
and you can call us anytime because we'll talk about
darning or anything. Give you a call it Tom Talk Gun.
That's the number. Easy to remember that way, Tom Talk Gun.
It is that time of year we're thinking about spring stuff. Yeah, man,
in the fall we talk about hunting. But you know
a lot of us hunt. Well pretty much you're a
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round and the guy I'm talking with right now, Chris
Ellis from Timmy Tregger's. I don't know that you ever
stopp hunting.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Burner. Well, I don't tell too many people.
Speaker 10 (23:06):
Especially my employer and my wife, but no, yeah, absolutely hunt.
I hunt turkey birds and anytime there's a season, and yeah,
I'm notorious squirrel hunter, notorious white tail hunter. The reason
being Tom is I kind.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Of like to eat.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Well, you know, I mean, I know if somebody calls
you and says, hey, Chris, you want to go on
and X whatever it is, hunt the.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Extras for sure. Let me just check our schedule.
Speaker 10 (23:30):
Usually it's yes, and then I'll forgo ot my schedule right, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Yeah, sure we're going to do that. I'll go clear
the schedule. Let's go absolutely exactly.
Speaker 10 (23:39):
Well, you and I in a couple of weeks, we're
going to be going down to the NRA show. And
I thought, well, that's right in the manner of turkey season.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
We've got to stop.
Speaker 10 (23:47):
By Oklahoma on the way down and see if I
can't fool one of those rio turkeys into a shotgun.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Rang. We know.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I like the way you think, because for a hunter,
for anybody else, they would look at that and think, yeah,
that's I am really on the way Chris. He said, no, no, no,
when you're a hunter, you go yeah. But we can
make it on the way because we'll just bend that
line a little bit over there.
Speaker 10 (24:09):
Well, sure, it's least in the right direction.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
I mean true, it's not next to Maine.
Speaker 10 (24:14):
We're going to Texas State.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Okay, so you'll love this. I for about the last
two weeks. Our turkey season doesn't open until next week,
and but for the last two weeks, every morning I
step out on my deck, I give a big old
hootol and then I get them gobbling because I know
where they roosed up the hill right behind the house.
And then sometimes I'll take my call out and start calling.
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I'll walk up and down the road behind our house
and make them think it's a hen. And I'm just
like Doctor Doolittle. I'm out there talking to the animals.
I'm having such a good old time.
Speaker 10 (24:48):
Isn't it fun?
Speaker 4 (24:49):
It really is.
Speaker 10 (24:51):
I love to hunt when I can communicate as I
get older, just to be able to communicate with that animal.
And I don't care if it's sparking to a squirrel
or buglingto an elk, or yelp into a turkey or whatever.
When they respond, I just find that it just firks joy.
It's it just adds.
Speaker 8 (25:07):
Another dimension to that hunt.
Speaker 10 (25:08):
I guess duck hunters have done it well.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
We had a boys. Duck hunters known that for years
there and years.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I was just gonna say, it's funny you say that,
because I kind of figured out at some point there's
just something.
Speaker 4 (25:17):
Extra about it.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
When I can call and as you say, whether it's
an elk or a duck, or a goose or a turkey,
you got some interaction going back and forth. And I
love to hunt elk, you know, and later season you're
not calling, but if you can get a chance to
get out there in this bugling season, it's a whole
different thing.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Oh, it's so much fun.
Speaker 10 (25:37):
And you know, they compare turkeys to elk, and I
don't know if that's necessarily an apples to apples comparison,
but I have.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Been in the elk woods when they're.
Speaker 10 (25:45):
Bugling like crazy and very very active, and I've been
in the turkey woods for the last thirty six years,
and when they're gobbling and they're acting like crazy, it
is a store a heck of a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Well, especially if you got them like on different sides
of you going off your shirt.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Sure what you're supposed to do with that? I love it.
Speaker 10 (26:03):
I mean absolutely, I've been afflicted by the wild turkey
for like I said, I've been my thirty sixth season
hunting them fall in winter and spring. But yeah, if
I get an opportunity, I know this is this is
I'm really telling all myself.
Speaker 8 (26:18):
But yeah, for example, n RA show in Texas.
Speaker 10 (26:22):
Why not look and see what's in Oklahoma that's by
for a.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Day, or we'll swing over there and do all right,
So let's talk about gear because turkey. Yeah, I mean
I started hunting with Ben rogers Lee, so there are
very few people are gonna know what I'm talking about
but you do.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
We're talking.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
We're talking away, all right. You'll love this. One of
my favorite quotes from Ben. We're sitting out there just
at first light. We're standing on dirt road, right and
he hoots, we're here, gobbler over there.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
He looks at me and says, there's one too many
people standing here. In other words, I'm going.
Speaker 10 (26:59):
After this turn, and you're not exactly You didn't care
where you're going, You're just not Going's.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Right, That's right, all right. So that's a long time ago.
We got different gear today. I mean, we're basically just
taking whatever shotgun we used for waterfowl or anything else.
The gears different and specialized for turkey hunting. Now not it,
you know, don't want to leave out the trigger, but
it's we're basically shooting a shotgun like a rifle.
Speaker 10 (27:25):
Yeah, it was. I'd have to think back on. I
was extremely proud of our customers. They wanted an eight
seventy trigger fix is what they called it back in
the day.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
And you're exactly right.
Speaker 10 (27:38):
The slug gun hunters, the turkey hunters, and even the
trap shooters to some extent, basically what you were doing,
you were trying to squeeze accuracy. It's the same thing
we've been doing with rifles for your years. You're just
trying to squeeze a little bit more accuracy out of it.
If you're going to have a load choke combination and
you're going to super tighten that choke up, then you
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really need that trigger to go boom the same way
twice if you want that, you know, that pattern to
hit the same way. Especially when people started, you know,
stretching the boundaries a little bit of turkey hunting on
some of the distance, just like long range shooting. You know,
you know what I was going up. If you shot
a turkey at twenty twenty two yards, that was a
long shot.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Nowadays got these crazy loads and chokes. I mean it's
like what sixty seventy yards.
Speaker 10 (28:26):
I guess it just depends on like long range shooting
for elk or western hanging out. If you're talented and
you've got the time and energy and you can prove
that you can do it, go for it. But yeah,
for stretch the barrel to a thirty yard turkey shot
of thirty five, a trigger does matter.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
And that little trigger, that little.
Speaker 10 (28:43):
Eight seventy fix It's all it does is tighten up
when that trigger is going to break and make that
trigger more repeatable every single time. So you have the
muscle memory turkey hunters, slug gun deer hunters to when
you call for that shot. You've got to get up
hitting right where you've been practicing.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
You know, you and I have done this for a
long time, and it is hard to describe what you're
talking about, what the advantage is of a trigger, because
it's a field thing. You know, it's just and I
kind of figured one thing out, and you know, we
all talk about you know, all right, I want to
shoot right now.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
The difference is a really good trigger, it goes.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Off before you can finish the end in now right,
absolutely right, and it's gone. It's like you think about it,
it's gone, and the difference is everything.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
It's exactly right.
Speaker 10 (29:38):
It's more of a mental call than it is because
you take all the physical creep and slop and just
the nastiness of a bad trigger. You take that out
and you get it to where it's down to a
muscle memory and it's totally repeatable with a little bit
of practice. You know, exactly when your brain says I
can make that shot that elks at two hundred and
nineteen yards. I practice make that shot. It's now a
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mental decision, and the gun goes follows your brain because
you have practice and you have that muscle memory.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
It's the same thing.
Speaker 10 (30:08):
We've talked about this in the past, but the same
thing as somebody shooting a free throw over and over,
golfer sinking a putt or whatever. It's because they have
so much repetition, repetition behind them and so much muscle
memory that when their brain says I'm taking the shot,
they take the shot and they score.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
YEP. I share a quick story with you.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
I just got down a rifle because I'm crazy about
Melvin Forbes just ulted light arms sitting and you know,
I mean, you knew Melvin good Old And I got
another one if he is and came in two two
three left handed. Of course I do that thing the
wrong handed, So there you go, and try to trigger
it out and went, oh man, that's light. Holy smoke.
I mean, I like light triggers. But that was like, okay,
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I gotta do something about that. And I remembered, wait
a minute, Malvioln put too many triggers in his guns.
All I got to do is adjust that. It's a
it's a nothing.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
It's enough. I'll just make that whatever I wanted to be.
Speaker 10 (31:03):
Yeah, he Melvin used our triggers long long, long, long,
long time ago and always always insisted that that you
use attendee and he understood the quality. And Melvin was
a dear friend of mine. He taught us a lot,
to be honest with you, because you know, Melvin was way.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Before his time. Oh he was a savant, he really was.
He was.
Speaker 10 (31:22):
I mean that new new ultra light arms, that super lightweight.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
You know, I carry him. You carry him.
Speaker 10 (31:28):
The reason we do is because the first of all,
they're amazing hunting tool, and second of all, they shoot
better than we do.
Speaker 8 (31:34):
I mean, they just do.
Speaker 10 (31:36):
But he knew quality, and he knew what the what
the customer wanted, and he knew what he wanted to
put his name on, and he was way out in
front of this industry as just a West Virginia boy
that grew up as a shop teacher and just wanted
to make the lightest, lightweight, accurate hunting rifle. He did it.
I mean Melvin, I still carry Melvin today. I mean
(31:56):
I'm Melvin rifle was my go to.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, me too. I ask you, I'm looking at the website.
You're doing these uh like giveaways. Got I'm looking at
your April giveaway right now. I got an ar trigger.
Speaker 12 (32:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
It started many, many years ago.
Speaker 10 (32:10):
And again we had we have the best customers world.
Every manufacturer says they have the best customers world, but
I'm pretty partial to ours. And one of the things
that that I thought would kind of be cool and
they really really got behind it, was so every month
we just pick a maybe it's a popular trigger, maybe
it's a trigger that people hadn't really heard of, or
it's a new genre or whatever, and we just give
them a chance to win it. You get our website
(32:30):
and there's a little giveaway button there at the top.
You push that and hey, if you like that trigger,
you have a gun that you need a trigger for,
why not? You know, it's fun.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
It's Timmy triggers. It's t I M N e y
people trying to figure out how to spell it t
I M anyway, timn triggers dot and then this case
just Timmy Triggers dot com. All right, so we got that,
you got triggers for shotguns. You got triggers for rifles
and you got into the handgun market some years ago,
and you're you're.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
Really on top of that.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
Oh, we absolutely Again, our customers asked us to build
a competition trigger. We started out with Alpha Competition with
Glock Gen three fours, and then they asked us for
the Gen five and then we expanded that, you know,
to the Ultimate Builder's Kit, and we have different colors
and shoes and just whatever our customers want. Well, it
didn't take them long. When Glock introduced a new Gen six,
(33:22):
they wanted to know if Timdy would make a replacement trigger,
competition trigger for that. And that's been about a month ago,
maybe just a touch more. So it's brand spanking new
that we came out with that. But yeah, we our
Alpha Competition series has just been an absolute game changer
as far as what our customers asked for and what
we've been able with their help to deliver to the market.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
So we're excited about that. Yeah, I'm thinking about that.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
In competition shooters, they're kind of like the race car drivers.
They do the proving ground stuff for us and we
get the benefit of it, but they would not be
taking their guns apart and putting in replacement triggers unless
they fail like a gamem an advantage.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
I really as simple as that, exactly.
Speaker 10 (34:04):
Bow hunters, competition shooters, they're all cut from the same thread.
If there is any way they can squeak out a
little bit of an advantage, a little bit more accuracy
or a little bit more yardage, they don't care what
hurdle they got to jump over.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
And if they got to take.
Speaker 10 (34:17):
A gun apart to put a new triger in that
that's that's price pick well paid for accuracy right for competition?
Speaker 4 (34:23):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Oh yeah, I mean a couple of points makes the
difference between going home with the trophy and just going home.
Speaker 10 (34:29):
Absolutely, meaning you you know, lifelong hunters, we concentrate on
a minute of angle of elk or the minute of
an angle of white tail. And don't get me wrong,
I mean we're we're tightening up our groups as tight
as possible because that's how we are. But those competition ladies,
they're men and ladies, they're they're they're different, they're different.
Speaker 4 (34:45):
Different, aren't they.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
Absolutely there's this there's absolutely nothing they wouldn't do to
get one more point or one hundredth of a second
off their time. And I want to say it's not
that the guns being made now have bad triggers. I
think actually, factor triggers now are so much better than
worth thirty years ago.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
It's just that even though it's a good trigger, the.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Manufacturers generally can't or don't want to give you a
great trigger.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Fair enough.
Speaker 8 (35:13):
Yeah, but you're exactly right.
Speaker 10 (35:14):
Triggers, Well, Tom, you and I have been talking about
triggers for over twenty years and we really haven't changed
our you know, our delivery on it. It helps you
become more accurate with your firearm. That's it's period. That's
that's it. I mean, it's there's nothing else besides that.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Better you just shoot shoot better.
Speaker 10 (35:30):
Yeah, But to your point, the triggers that are coming
on factory guns now and just the just the barrels
and just the factory guns and period in general, the
amos better, the technology is better, the you know, the
way they cut metal nowadays, the way we cut metal
nowadays is much better. All that stuff is so much
better than it was twenty thirty years ago, and it
just keeps getting better. But yeah, the replacement trigger, if
(35:55):
you need a trigger.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
Replace it, if you don't don't, right.
Speaker 10 (35:59):
I mean, if you that, you're real happy.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Here's the problem with that, though, cus is a lot
of people are happy with the situation that they don't
know can be a good bit better because they hadn't
been exposed to it.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
I don't know what you do with that.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
If you've never experienced what a really good trigger can do,
you just don't know what you're missing out.
Speaker 10 (36:19):
On until you're at a range and try someone else's
firearm that has a decent trigger, or until you put
a trigger in it and understand, your eyes aren't open
until they're open. But once you know, you know, you're
like me and you once you know, you've got to
replace the trigger on everything you can.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
And then, okay, here's the part that we don't talk about,
and it is the ugly part of this whole thing.
Once you start doing that, you're cursed to become a
trigger snob. From that point forward.
Speaker 10 (36:45):
You gladly be called a snob for the first time
in your life.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
You're like, yep, I.
Speaker 10 (36:50):
Am officially a tongue question you are.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I mean, it's like you're thinking, yeah, okay, yeah, that's
a nice rifle you got there, guy, But and then
quietly you're thinking, pammit that trigger, holy cow, and it
ruins you. The first thing we do, what do we do?
We check your accent, We try the trigger on a gun.
Speaker 10 (37:05):
Well it also you know, it can save you a
lot of cash too, because you probably got some guns
in your gun cabinet there and your gun safety. They
are probably good shooters if they had a trigger. Right. So,
if you're getting a little tighter or whatever, the world's
a little tight and you needed to put good scope
on it last year, maybe put a sling, worked up
some handloads or whatever, but you're still not getting that accuracy.
For a little bit of cash, you could try a
(37:25):
trigger and see if it tightens up. I'm betting it will,
all right.
Speaker 2 (37:28):
And one last thing I want to say, if you
don't know how to put in a trigger, fear not,
because the folks Attimney will help you out. You got videos,
you got people you could talk to. I mean, you
make it possible and even easy.
Speaker 10 (37:39):
Eighty years we've been telling people and teach them how
to watch triggers, minter and how to put them in firearms.
Speaker 8 (37:44):
We got that down.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
If they need help, I'm gonna be at the NRA Show.
You're gonna be over there too, right?
Speaker 9 (37:50):
Well?
Speaker 10 (37:50):
Absolutely, I'm hopefully I'll have some fresh turkey in my
check in, but go ahead.
Speaker 4 (37:53):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I just gonna say, uh, for folks, there are people
who are listening who are going to be at the
RA Annual meetings in Houston.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Be sure, die By, Are you guys gonna have a
booth there? Absolutely?
Speaker 10 (38:03):
Yeah, we'll have our full technical folks there. If you
got any questions, We'll have all our men and women
that know everything about guns and triggers. Stop buying, shot
the stump to jump and tell us what suggars we
should be building. That's the funnest port about the NRARA
Show is learning what we know where all these triggers
came from the age seventy and the glockie all came
from somebody telling us, Hey, won't y'all make a timney
for that walk up.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
To Chris and say hey, I want to show you
a picture of my deer, my elk, or my turkey
or something. And then you guys could take that turn
swapping pictures and show me everybody or what you' even.
Speaker 4 (38:29):
Out there shooting.
Speaker 10 (38:30):
I'd love that would make my day yeah, if you're
a hunter out there, stop buying. See me at the
NRRA show.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
There you go, Chris Alis.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I appreciate your time, I appreciate your friendship, and you
guys make good stuff. I'm just gonna tell people, I've
been using Timney's triggers for fifty years, and uh, I
believe it and I use them.
Speaker 10 (38:45):
Well, I appreciate that work for Timdy for twenty one.
Now talk You've been talking triggers together for twenty one years.
Isn't it crazy?
Speaker 3 (38:51):
That?
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Yeah? Cow, Well it's good company. You know.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
It's nice when you work in a place you never
have to make any excuses for.
Speaker 10 (39:00):
I love it. I love I love American manufacturing, love
the Second Amendment.
Speaker 8 (39:03):
I love to hunt.
Speaker 10 (39:04):
So that's just right up my aleand there you go.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
Look, I will see you in Houston, my friend.
Speaker 8 (39:08):
I'll be there.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
I'm looking at this story out of California and had
a flashback to when I was growing up. The story
is someone may have maliciously caused a huge rodent invasion
in California. Sube is the state's multimillion dollar war on
neutria continues. All right, they got nutria in California and
(39:36):
they think they came from Oregon. I remember seeing nutrient
in Oregon, like twenty five thirty years ago. I was
played at a golf course there. Saw I'm swimming around.
What's the nutrient? Well, growing up in Louisiana, we're kind
of the home of nutrient. It's a twenty five twenty
to twenty five pound rat. Basically think of a beaver
that's cosmetically challenged. It has a skinny tale instead of
(39:58):
a flat tail, so it just looks like a rat.
And it is came from South America or big old
orange teeth. He'll tippered things well. As a kid, teenager,
we lived on a lake. We would go out and
hunt frogs, hunt this hunt that we decided we would
go out and hunt nutria at night with a bow.
(40:18):
And I don't know why, but I decided to use
my bow fishing rig. That's the one where you shoot
a really heavy, solid fiberglass arrow attached to a piece
of line that comes back to the bow. When you
shoot a fish, you can pull it back in. Sure enough,
We're going along at night spotlighting this nutria in like
a fourteen foot john boat and I shoot this nutria.
(40:41):
Didn't really make good contact with it just got under
the skin. And now I am attached by this line
to a twenty five pound really angry rat, and I'm
pulling it in towards the boat and he's splashing and
going crazy, and I'm thinking, all right, what are we
gonna do here? But I thought ahead. You know when
(41:02):
you go to the baseball games and they give out
those little tiny souvenir baseball bats.
Speaker 4 (41:08):
Yeah, they had one of those in the boat.
Speaker 2 (41:11):
So you can imagine fourteen year old Tom leaning overside
of this boat having hauled in this twenty five pound
rat that's just losing its mind because it got stuck
by this arrow and just under the skin. I pulled
it in and it's thrashing around, and I'm racing around
with this baseball bat, and I'm wailing on this thing
to try to pacify it, if you will. It was
(41:36):
I'm sure if somebody happened to be watching the biggest
goat rope you've ever seen. I did survive it. I
did conquer, and the Nutria bit the dust. People are
always trying to figure out how to get rid of Nutria.
They tried something in Louisiana many years ago. The marketing
on it was a little bit suspect. They decided to
(41:59):
market to restaurants and get the restaurants to serve it
as a Louisiana food, but nobody wanted to eat a nutrient,
so they rebranded the meat and they titled it swamp rebbit. Yeah,
(42:20):
nobody was having that either. They were not gonna be
able to cont anybody into thinking that this big rat
was a swamp rabbitt. And so now you've got actually
sheriff's departments in some parts of the state of Louisiana.
They're going round at night spotlight and nutria shooting them
to get them off the levees because they dig holes
in the levees and we need the levees for flood
(42:41):
protection and these things are drilling big holes and eroding though.
So they're out there it looks like zero dark thirty.
You know, Seal Team six going after nutrient a night
with nods and night vision and everything else. It is
great fun, but there is no possibility ever of wiping
out nutrients. Kind of like trying to get rid of
(43:02):
the faral hogs. Now that ship has sailed and it
is not coming back. You can knock down the numbers
as best you can be, which you're not going to.
Speaker 4 (43:09):
Get rid of them. So there you go.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
There's my nutriar story, and that's basically a good glimpse
of how I grew up on the water in boats
with guns, with bows with everything else. We skied behind everything,
We skied on top of everything. We would turn the
top of a ice and Nick glue cooter upside down
and jump on that and ski on that. It was
a wacky way to grow up, but boy, it was
(43:32):
sure fun. Don't go far, we'll be right back. I'm
Tom Gresham, glad that you're here.
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