April 19, 2026 • 44 mins
Live from the Ruger booth at the NRA Annual Meetings.
-- Gun Talk launches a new all-guns TV channel, available on smart TVs. Ryan Gresham explains what Shooting Sports Life is and how to get it.
-- Serious people know a good flashlight is part of your self defense package. Andrew Wright, from Surefire, explains how to choose the right light.
-- Tom reveals some of the guns which caught his attention on the show floor at the 2026 NRA Show.
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-- Gun Talk launches a new all-guns TV channel, available on smart TVs. Ryan Gresham explains what Shooting Sports Life is and how to get it.
-- Serious people know a good flashlight is part of your self defense package. Andrew Wright, from Surefire, explains how to choose the right light.
-- Tom reveals some of the guns which caught his attention on the show floor at the 2026 NRA Show.
Gun Talk 04.19.26 Hour 3
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
All right, welcome back to gun Talk. Yes we are
at the NRA show in Houston, but we're actually not
because I wanted to get Ryan Gresham on here. He's
the head of gun Talk HQ, but he left the
show to early, so we recorded an interview before the show,
So that's why you're not getting the background noise and
all of that. We actually are still at the show,
but you're just picking up a little bit of a
(00:51):
recorded interview right now.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
You know, they get to enjoy some beautiful audio. As
everybody's listening to this, I am zooming down ITM.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
That's right. You are hauling time to get back home
to Louisiana from Houston, having spent the entire time at
the NRAA annual meetings. We call it the NRA Show.
It's actually the Annual Meetings, but there's a big exhibit
hall there and we've been having lots of those guests
on here. But I did want to talk about this
latest thing. You know, you and I are guilty. I
guess like a lot of people are. We do a
(01:21):
lot of promotion of everybody else, and that's our business
and getting the word out of all the new stuff
and what cool things people are doing. Sometimes we forget
to tell people what we're doing.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Yes, yeah, So we're always coming up with new ways
to reach people. And of course people who listen to
this they love guns, they love shooting, they love hunting,
they love all of those things. And so we're always
looking for new ways to reach more people and help
you guys find this content. And we created a new way,
(01:51):
but it's sort of an old way. We have a
new television channel called Shooting Sports Life. The way television
is these days and TV, but there's a lot of
definitions of TV. Watching YouTube videos on their TV is
that TV. Well, it's just it's all kind of mixes together,
and so it's a streaming network called Shooting Sports Life.
(02:11):
It's free, it's live, and it's always on.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
People say, we have a how do I get it?
Where do I get it? That's kind of the key
because there are so many places now that stream video.
This is a system, this is a service, if you will,
a network that you can actually get on your TV
at home.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Exactly, you can watch it on your TV. You can
also watch it on your on your mobile device, on
your phone or your iPad or whatever. But if you
if you go to Shooting SportsLife dot com, you'll see
more about it. It's we kind of call it your
new favorite channel because if you are into guns, believe
it or not, guys, there is not a dedicated TV
(02:52):
network all about guns and shooting. Yeah, we've been on
a lot of the Outdoor Channel and Sportsman Channel and
stuff like that, but you're liable to run into bass
phishing or rving or a bunch of other things that
may not be your hobby. But if your thing is guns,
this is the channel for you. And so basically, if
you go to Shooting SportsLife dot com, we have ten
(03:14):
different streaming app streaming platforms that are airing the network
right now. And I'm gonna say it once, I'll say
it twice. It's free. This is a free network. There
is no fee to watch it, and it's what is
it like I select my show. No, it's a live
TV channel, just like TV of the old days. You
(03:35):
turn it on and watch it.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Just run in twenty four to seven. You turn it
on and you just find out what's running at the
moment when you turn it on. But it is it's
like all style TV, but it's available from your TV
at home exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
So smart TVs and streaming apps is kind of the
easiest way to explain it.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Okay, So just like you would add say Prime or Netflix,
you just add one of these onto your TV and
then exact on that and it'll pop up with this
menu and you pick Shooting Sports Life and turn it
on and sit back and watch gun content just NonStop
exactly exactly.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
So we've got a bunch of different apps that are
airing the network right now, and we're going to be
expanding and adding more places to see it. But I
mean places that you may have heard of in the past,
like Truth Plus, which is part of truth Socials. Yeah,
it's part of Trump Media. They have a whole Truth
Plus has all of these free channels. What you're going
(04:30):
to find is when you go on to one of
these places, you go, wait a minute, there's a bunch
of free television channels that I can just watch. And
it's kind of this ecosystem of streaming television really lends
itself to niche audiences. So you've got like Surf TV
or the Tennis channel, or the Home and Garden Channel. Well,
(04:54):
this is the gun channel. It's called Shooting Sports Life,
and there's a lot of ways that you can watch.
It's pretty easy, actually.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
So what are you putting on here?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Well, obviously we're gonna we have our shows there, Guns
and Gear, we have First Person Offender. We have some
of the shows that people love and they miss, like
Gun Venture and Buildbox. We've got gun Talk Nation, which
is ya podcast, but podcast are kind of talk shows
these days. We've got Gun Talk Hunt, and we have
new shows that we're going to be putting there as
(05:24):
well in new episodes. Right, So, we're working on the
new season of Guns and Gear covering all the new stuff,
and new seasons of First Person Defender, putting real people
into self defenced scenarios and see how they do and
give them some training and see how they improve.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
How long we've been producing video content, that's how much
we've got to deal from right now.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
It's a lot. I mean, they hundreds and hundreds of
hours of content that we have, and then we're adding
to it. We're actually kind of in works in talks
with some partners that are to be coming on who
probably some folks that you guys have seen and know
who make really great content and it's going to be
going on the network as well. But kind of your
(06:05):
one stop shop. And I would say this also, Yes,
you can follow gun Talk and your other favorite gun
people on YouTube and Facebook and all that, but the
problem with that is, I mean, we all know it's
the tech platforms, and sometimes people get shadow banned or
get shut down or whatever, and this is a place
where you can go and just watch this stuff. And yes,
(06:27):
believe it or not, we can show gun content and
talk about whatever we want to talk about there.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
We have our own television network now, our own channel exactly,
and we could put what we want on it. And
Noway's going to throttle it or shadow band it or
cut us off and it's simply going to be here.
So what's in it for meda, For the listener right
now who likes our video and our content, this is
a way to see stuff that you actually it's been
hidden from you before.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
That's true. Yeah, probably a lot of this is new
content for you. But it's really about celebrating the people,
the stories, and the spirit that define the shooting lifestyle.
It's a destination for gun enthusiasts and it's whether that's
skill competition, shooting public figures who share the passion and
(07:13):
and you know, kind of truly live their life on
the range, and it's it's kind of like you get
to go there and you're watching like minded people have
some fun and maybe there's a little education there, maybe
there's an entertainment there, but hopefully it's it's inspiring programming.
And it makes it easier to share with other generations too,
(07:35):
because now it's on the TV. It's not getting it's
in plain sight and you can put it on and
whether that's you know, put it on while you're cooking
and you just kind of leave it on and it's playing,
or whether you sit down to watch it with your
with your kids or or you know, your friends or whatever.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, there's tactical stuff. There's self defense, there's hunting, there's competition,
there's conversations with all you like Jackcar, I mean just
goes on and on. It's about guns or shooting or
hunting or anything in the gun life, a gun culture.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
It's there exactly. Yeah, it's called Shooting Sports Life. So
that's I think the easiest way. Because it's on a
lot of different streaming platforms, the easiest way is to
just go to the website Shooting SportsLife dot com and
then you can find, you know, your favorite streaming app,
whether that's Free Live Sports or stream Mix or Truth
plus or Stir. There's a bunch of them that are
(08:28):
running it right now, and we're always pitching the channel
to more places and so we'll be adding it to
to more like smart TV apps and that kind of
thing down the road as well.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Okay, yeah, just go Shooting SportsLife dot com. You can
see what the leads started there.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Well, thanks thanks for having me on. I hope you
guys will go check it out. It's it's it's a
pretty cool thing to see twenty four to seven gun
content as a streaming network.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
It's an audacious, outrageous thing for you to do, but
I'm sure glad that you're doing it. Hey, don't go far.
We'll be right back right here in the riverboot at
the NRA Annual meetings in Houston.
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Speaker 3 (11:43):
All right, we're back from the break here because during
the break we've been talking about guns and shooting. Yeah,
fixed price there right, All right, we're talking with our
longtime friend Andrew Wright from Surefire. And Andrew, we were
just actually we're talked a little bit about Surefire, but we're
talking about this place that you've been to, this amazing
shooting facil in Riggins, Ida about what hour so north
(12:03):
of where I live.
Speaker 10 (12:04):
Yeah, exactly, a couple hours outside of Boise.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Right exactly. So what were you doing over there?
Speaker 10 (12:10):
So we had an event to launch our new socom
for Series suppressors. There's a facility out there called Hat
Creek Training. A guy named Brian Morgan runs and he
does a lot of precision shooting, specifically high angle precision
shooting training or instruction out there, shooting up, shooting down,
shooting up and shooting down right, a lot of military folk,
(12:30):
high end special operations. But he runs open courses as well,
and it's an amazingly beautiful facility. So we ran that
event out there mainly to launch the suppressors. But obviously
we got in some really good training the high angle stuff.
As we were just talking about, it's an interesting topic.
There's a lot to learn.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Well, yeah, there's geometry involved, and it is not intuitive. Essentially,
whether you're shooting up or shooting down, the bullet hits
higher than your aiming point. Yep. To make it simple
at that level, it's not simple, but that's the essence
of it is that it's the vertical distance, or rather
(13:09):
horizontal distance. If you can do the whole triangle hot
news serect geometry thing, which I can't do.
Speaker 10 (13:16):
There's also there's also effects on your barrel pointing up
and pointing down with the way rigidity and gravity works.
Because you know, if I'm holding an object here, leverage
and I'm talking on the radio, But if there's a
bar that.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
You're holding out, yeah I can see your hands here.
Speaker 10 (13:33):
Yeah, it's going to be pulled down on more than
if it's like this, right, because all the weight is
going downwards, and that makes the difference. It does. It
does the biggest honest honestly, the biggest thing and the
biggest problem I think most people have from what I
saw was just can't. It's very easy to be discombobulated
in the mountains and think you are level with the world, yes,
(13:53):
and not be. And so having a good you know,
some type of anti can't device a level on the
gun to indicate if.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
You've got the rifle canted left or right. It may
not make much of a difference at one hundred yards,
but you get out shooting at some serious distances and
it will really throw you off.
Speaker 10 (14:08):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean we shot we shot targets at
twenty one hundred meters. Yeah, with with with a three
hundred norma, but most of the shooting we were doing
was with six arc and five five six the sixth
arc we were shooting you know, eight hundred and fifty
meters and in and can't matters a lot when you're
shooting at those distances. So having a good level on
the gun, and it's sometimes like you're looking at that
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level and you're like, that doesn't look right because the
trust there.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Is no horizon. That's the thing about the mountains, And
when I fly in the mountains, same deal. It's like
what you think is the horizon is not really the
level horizon, and it may not it's not even just
the left and the right. What you think is okay,
that's level out there, No, it's really not. And it
it's confusing. It really throws you off.
Speaker 10 (14:51):
Yeah, and you just got to trust your instruments. You
got to be like, okay, this bubble levels.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Not just like flying instruments.
Speaker 10 (14:57):
Right, yep, that's that's exactly the same thing. Yep.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
It's like, say, well this compass is not right. No,
actually the compass is almost always right. Yeah. You know
when you think it's wrong, you're still wrong, right, same
deal yep, yep.
Speaker 10 (15:09):
So yeah, you shoot, you miss. The first thing is
like chuck can't. Oh yeah, look at me.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I was.
Speaker 10 (15:13):
I started to lean to one side. That was my problem.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
You had fun out there, didn't you.
Speaker 10 (15:16):
It was a lot of fun. It was cool. I
want to get back out there. But learned a.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Lot at its core. And we've talked about this before,
this whole taking shooting classes of all different disciplines. It's
just fun.
Speaker 10 (15:29):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean, and there's so much.
I mean, you can do it endlessly. There's so much
to learn and to stay current on it all. I mean,
there's it's it's beneficial and it's super fun to do
well exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I mean you can. Yes, you're gonna learn to be
a better shooter, you're going to learn to operate your equipment,
You're going to hang around. It's motivating because you hang
around people who are even if you think you're good,
they're better. Oh yeah, yeah, and some of them are
like freakishly better. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (15:57):
You learn from both the direct instruction and then just
them do anything and you're like, oh, that's a way
better way to load this magazine or anything, just like
the simplest thing, you know. But yeah, it was. It
was a lot of fun and I'm hopefully looking forward
to getting.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
There's also some motivation to just not look like a dufist,
you know.
Speaker 10 (16:15):
That's most of my motivation in life is just trying
to look like I know what I'm doing exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah, and a nice party, I mean, and I know, look,
if you've never taken any of these classes, whether it's
there or gut Site or our play, whatever, there's a
fear performance of saying, well, I won't embarrass myself. No,
you won't. The instructors, the good instructors will never embarrass you.
You know, they're just going to say Okay, that's where
(16:41):
you are. You're starting at a different place and then
they're going to take you and go from there.
Speaker 10 (16:45):
One hundred percent. Yeah, you just got to show up.
I mean, that's the fear with everything that's new, and honestly,
that's like the the that should tell you that you
need to do it, you know what I mean, you
should confront that.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Uh, and that's the once you get through the first
room and you go, oh, okay, this is They're not
gonna beat me up. It's fine, and they're not gonna
hold me up in front of the class and say
here's the idiot.
Speaker 10 (17:04):
Right, it's the rest. You know, everyone's the same, everyone
had that first class, and you'll realize, you know, you're
not that far off and yeah, and then you.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
What do you got in your hand? There? So this
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Speaker 10 (17:16):
Three sub for subcompact and micro compact handguns. It's based
off of our XC three, which is a very similar
sized body and head a slightly different mount for like
mid sized and full sized guns. Right, So the XC
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a Springfield Hellcat for a P three sixty five. It
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comes with a universal rail mount and a glock forty
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it is, it has.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
A giant on the wall over here. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 10 (17:56):
It's ridiculous front loading battery. It comes with a brand
new recharger one twenty three, so it's got a USBC
port directly on the battle.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
So you can recharge it. But you could also just
use a regular one twenty three.
Speaker 10 (18:07):
That's right, yep, it'll take both. Okay, you're gonna lose
a little bit of output and run time with you
when you put the standard one twenty three. The rechargeable
gets you the full okay, the full output. But super exciting.
I mean, honestly, we were just talking about it before
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weapon light. You know, law enforcement across the nation and
(18:28):
actually the worldwide has been using that weapon light forever,
and you know, this tiny little light is the same
exact kind of output both in lumen's and candela.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
It weighs nothing, it's yeah, it's small. And the other
thing is and there are a lot of holsters out
there that are made for your gun with that light.
Speaker 10 (18:46):
That's correct.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Take it.
Speaker 10 (18:47):
Yeah, there's already a bunch of holsters on the market
that fit this exact weapon light.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
So we were laughing a little while ago because we
were at this for so long, remembering some of the
very early tactical lights from Surefire, and we were so
happy that they had sixty lumens.
Speaker 10 (19:03):
Right, it seemed like the sun at the time.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Yes, and now you'd say, my light's broken. There's something
wrong here. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (19:08):
People are mad if you don't have like five hundred lumens.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Now, it is crazy, all right, So that you had
a larger light, Oh you got the can.
Speaker 10 (19:16):
Yeah, this is a yeah, this is a suppressor. This
is what that event was about. So this is our
brand new Sokum for series. This particular one is the
five to five six Mini four, So it's a little
bit shorter, low back pressure suppressor meaning you know traditional
baffled suppressors, you know, had a little bit of increased
back pressure, speeding up the bolt, having a little bit
(19:38):
of gas come out the ejection port. The emphasis on
these is to try and push gas forward and not
out of the ejection port.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Why is that important?
Speaker 10 (19:47):
Well, the gas, for one, is toxic. You don't want
to breathe it in. So if people are shooting a lot,
you don't want to breathe much of that.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
For somebody's out here shooting, you know a few times,
it's not a big deal. Nope, But particularly for military
training a lot, raining a lot, you know, you're putting
hundreds of thousands of around through it, it's a big deal.
Speaker 10 (20:03):
Yeah, accumulates also, that speeds up the gun, It gets
the gun dirtier. All of those things wear and tear
on parts, you know, as you speed up the gun. There,
that's that's not ideal. So a low back pressure suppressor
prevents all of that. These are one hundred percent Inkanel made.
Inkanol is a high temperature alloy. They use it Formula
one exhaust, They use it on rocket ship nozzle, they.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Use it on airplane exhausts. Now there you go familiar
with them from that.
Speaker 10 (20:28):
Yeah, So incanel maintains structural integrity at super high temperatures.
So this thing can be glowing and still and still
strong and lightweight. Inkonol's not that light. It's not like titanium.
The main thing with these is its durability. So this
is you know, a military oriented but anybody that wants
a super strong, hard use suppressor like this is this
(20:49):
is the end all be all.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Well, before we got on the air, you were just sharing.
You said, look, you just become pretty fanatic about protecting
your hearing when you're shooting these days. Yes, what's that about.
Speaker 10 (21:02):
Well, hearing loss is cumulative people, you know, I don't
think they realize because you know, you hear something loud,
you accidentally shoot without ear pro on your ears ring
and then it goes away. Well, yes, you have temporary
hearing loss and then that's when it comes back, is
when the ringing stops. But you also you incurred permanent
hearing loss. You lost a little something there every time.
(21:22):
So every time you get some hearing loss, it accumulates
piece by piece by piece. So for me, you know,
I shoot quite a bit and therefore I'm always doubling
up my hearing protection. I'm wearing usually a set of
shurfire hearing protection in the ears.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
You got plugs and muffs and muffs over it.
Speaker 10 (21:40):
Yeah, just so I can have two sets of hearing protection.
I do count a suppressor as one. So if I'm
just shooting rifle and it's had the suppressor on it,
I'll count that as one. I'll get away with just
one set of here.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Okay, interesting idea. I hadn't thought about that, all right,
So you have two different levels working for you there.
Speaker 10 (21:55):
Absolutely, Yeah, suppressors are game changer for hearing protection. I
mean hunting, you know, for me, I've the last several
hunts I've been on, I will not hunt without a suppressor.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Wow. Yeah, just it's just you just don't do.
Speaker 10 (22:06):
It from a hearing standpoint. But also there's a there's
kind of a tactical advantage. You know, the herd doesn't move.
The last few animals we've taken. If you if you
missed or needed to follow up, the herd does not move.
Still there, unsuppressed, they are running. You know.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I'll be asama gun all right, Andrew, don't go anywhere.
I'm going to hold you over to talk a little
bit more. When we'll come back. You got more cool
stuff for us to talk about from Surefire. I'm Tom Gresham.
Were at the Rigor booth at the NRA's annual meetings.
We'll be right back. Yeah, you never know where you're
(22:41):
gonna have these kindred spirits. We're talking without Andrew right
from Surefire, and we're not talking about suppressors and lights
and the break. We're talking about hunting rifles. And Andrew,
you like the light rifles like I do because you
hunt in steep country. Yeah, you actually hunt higher than
I do in Colorado elevation wise.
Speaker 10 (22:56):
Yeah, it's a it's we're starting at Usually the town
near where we hunt is eight thousand, so everything is
above eight.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
That's brutal.
Speaker 10 (23:05):
It takes a couple of days to get to get
hacklimated to that. You're huffing and puffing.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Even though you live in altitude that's higher altitude and
you've got to adjust to that.
Speaker 10 (23:12):
Yeah, it's it takes a couple of days, but it does.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
And we were talking about lightweight rifles are harder to shoot.
Speaker 10 (23:18):
Well, yeah, every pound matters obviously in that country. So
I'm my gun, My hunting guns pretty dang light. You know,
carbon fiber barrel I use. Our titanium are so comm
seven to six to two tie to it's a titanium suppressor,
super lightweight. But yeah, the lighter, the gun. Every little
input that you put on it, you're going to see
it in the in the optic, it's it's harder to shoot,
(23:39):
they move around more.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
We're coming into a new era in all of this
with rifles, with the tax going away on suppressors and
on sbr so you can have shorter barrels. And then
you add in the high pressure loads that we're getting
now specialized eighty thousand PSI where you can recap sure
the velocity you lose a small barrel. I think our
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rifles are something going to look different in the future.
Speaker 10 (24:05):
I think so. I think very soon we'll start seeing
some significantly shorter hunting rifles. It'll be very interesting. And
like you said, you know people that have been holding
off on the suppressor because they didn't want the added length,
I think they're You're gonna be hard pressed to find
people not hunting suppressed.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, and see that's where I didn't want the long
barrel and thick another six inches a can out there.
But man if I can cut four inches off the
barrel and now you've got four inch long suppressors, four
five six whatever and lightweight going okay, I think maybe
my objections are not valved.
Speaker 10 (24:39):
Anymore exactly, Yeah, and then tax dam's gone away. You
have more and more, you know, excuses removed of why
not to It's one of the reasons. So for me,
I use a folding stock, oh, bolt action rifle. Sure,
specifically again just because of that overall length, because I
don't want a really long rifles sticking above my pack.
We're going through you know, a lot of brush, hang
(25:00):
it up on stuff, exactly. Sure, So the way my
gun sits on the pack when it's folded stock, you know,
the suppressors just right up. My head leveled pretty much.
So it's not not a bad deal. But I know,
I understand fully that the advantage and people in the
preference for a normal stock you know, traditional hunting rifle.
They definitely feel great, but I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I like them. I like the way they feel. But
at the same time, once something gets to the point
where it offers a significant advantage, and you go, okay,
it's time to give up on the old and let's
go take a look at this new stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (25:29):
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see you know, some goofy
short hunting rifles with high pressure ammunition in the future.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
They're gonna look strange to us for a while, and
then it'll be normal. Then we're going to look back
and look at what we've been using and think it
looks like an old Kentucky rifle or something like an
old you know, this long barrel thing.
Speaker 10 (25:43):
You'll see a hunting picture and you look like you
had a blunderbust from here.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Right, No, it's exactly exactly. That's fine, all right, you
brought one more toy over there we ought to talk about.
Speaker 10 (25:52):
So this is our new Turbo Scout Light Pro long
gun weapon light. Obviously, you know, if you have a
rifle for or a shotgun for defensive purposes, we are
a strong advocate of having a light on it. You
should be able to identify positively whatever you're potentially going
to shoot or even point a rifle at if it's
a home defense scenario. So this new Turbo Scout Light
(26:13):
Pro it's focused on candela, So six hundred and fifty
lumens seventy thousand candela out of two one twenty threes.
All that means for you is it's a very tight,
far reaching beam pattern, and you know there's more and more,
it seems market preference for that type of beam.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
For way for reaching way out there long.
Speaker 10 (26:32):
For reaching way out there long. You know, also for
in the middle. It's like sectors in depth. Basically, it means,
if we're sitting in a room, there's a hallway and
another room that you're trying to illuminate into. The narrower
beam is going to do a better job at penetrating
those sectors in depth instead of bouncing off the walls
and the door frames that are intermediate.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I just realize as you're talking, I'm reaching. I said, huh,
wonder where I'm carrying today? I have, I mean a lot.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
You're just a kiss up. You're a overachiever.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yeah, this is every day and this is not just
because you're here.
Speaker 10 (27:05):
I appreciate it. Look at you.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
You got the same light.
Speaker 10 (27:07):
That's impressive. Yeah, this is the Stiletto Pro two for
the listeners. This thing is awesome. Man, I love the house.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
It's a two beam. It looks like a fifty seven
Chevy headlights coming at you with this thing. You got
these too, amazing? Good Lord, that thing's bright.
Speaker 10 (27:21):
That's hilarious. I've never heard it described that way, but
you are one hundred percent out. Yeah, this thing's fifteen
hundred lumins thirty five thousand candela. But the main thing
is it's flat, so it's comfortable in your pocket. You
don't notice it. It's not annoying in your pocket. And
it's a USBC rechargeable light. So if you're using it
every day, which you end up doing when you carry it,
you just plug it in at night and it's good
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to go.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
And you guys have gotten some kind of super duper
battery technology because you know a lot of stuff you
have rechargeable batteries and after why, you've used them a
bunch and they just keep going down and down. They
don't do much. I don't know what the deal is,
but these things just seem to last forever.
Speaker 10 (27:57):
Yeah, there's not much. There's like no parasitic draw The
engineers know what they're doing obviously, so you could throw
it in the drawer and it's good to go for
a long time.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
And I know people say, well, you know what do
they cost? And my answer is, it's a piece of
my safety gear and it will last a long long time.
And oh yeah, it's a piece of my safety gear.
You know, I'm not buying the cheap gun. I'm not
buying the cheap well parachute yep, which is what they
(28:25):
really are. This is my gear that saves my life.
Speaker 10 (28:27):
It's you know, it's the old adage of buy ones
cry once. We have so many people come by that
have had a light for ten, twenty, thirty, forty years
now and they're still using it. And you know, we
don't cut corners for cost. We build everything in house.
We manufacture still in the USA, all of our turning center.
This is machininge and this is not Asian stuff, No,
(28:48):
this is assembly. We even do our own circuit boards
in house. We do everything ourselves and obviously that's not cheap,
but we build to a quality standpoint, and that's the
most important goal for us.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Have to have had appliers from China and other places
come to you and say, you know, we can make
that for you cheaper.
Speaker 10 (29:05):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, we know. We don't fold
the we're still privately held. The owner is you know,
staunchly a believer in American manufacturing and we're going to
continue to do that.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
And the guarantee on all this stuff.
Speaker 10 (29:19):
It's a lifetime guarantee. Rechargeable products, there's a there's a
battery limitation to a certain amount of cycles mix, so
it's a slightly reduced warranty. The standard one twenty three
flashlights like our X three hundreds of a scout light in
my hand. It's a lifetime warranty.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
So if it breaks, you just take care of it.
Speaker 10 (29:36):
We'll just take care of it. Zip was that, Yeah,
they'll they'll repair it. If they can't repair it, they'll
replace it. It's over.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
We're goun what's the origin story on Surefire?
Speaker 10 (29:45):
So the founder doctor John Matthews. He was a laser physicist,
playing around with lasers. He's a big firearms enthusiast. He
had some some friends in law enforcement. They ended up
throwing you know, hey, can we put a laser on
this revolver? And that's what they did and ended up
selling some to a couple departments. I'll send you a
(30:06):
picture of one. It's a crazy, big monstrosity. If you
ever saw a terminator, it's very similar. That is our laser.
That's one of our products. On top of that AMT
nineteen eleven. That was the early laser. So the company
was originally called Laser Products. We started making more lasers
for different guns. We made them for shotguns. Some of
the when the Olympics in nineteen eighty four was came
(30:26):
to Los Angeles, we sold some to LAPD for their shotguns.
Fast forward, we did the first compact flashlight and it
was called the Shurfire and it was two early CR
one twenty threes and that sixty lumen P sixty bulb
and that blew up and we started making them basically
that same lamp assembly for pistols for handgun weapon lights,
(30:49):
we started doing MP five four ends, et cetera. And
two thousand and one the company rebranded because the flashlights
were the big part to Shurfire as a whole. And
it's been ongoing since. We've been doing suppressors now for
twenty two years or something like that. That long now, Yep,
Barry Duke started our suppressor division. We won the Socom
contract for five five six suppressors in twenty eleven and
(31:12):
we're still doing quite well on the suppressor side as well.
So that's the high level rundown.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Of And probably one of the big demarcation points was
when switching for me in condescent to LEDs.
Speaker 10 (31:24):
Yeah, that was a that was a big deal, so
much more efficient in the beginning they weren't. You know,
it was a like computers.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
It was.
Speaker 10 (31:32):
It was rapidly iterating and getting better every I mean
within months they were getting in so much more rugged. Yes, yeah,
so LEDs enabled us to have way more output, way
better run time, just overall, and much more efficient and
like you said, reliable their solid state, so you can
drop them, throw them and they're going to keep working.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yep, exactly right, all right, website for.
Speaker 10 (31:52):
People, it's just Surefire dot com s U R E
F I R E.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Surefire dot com. Thank you, my friend, I thank you
to be here. Man. I appreciate it.
Speaker 10 (32:00):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Tom good deal. I'm gonna turn your mic off. I'll
let you go out the door. I'm gonna keep talking here.
Speaker 10 (32:05):
I appreciate it. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
You bet Andrew right from sure If fun stuff. I mean,
we get to play with the cool stuff here. And
I'm not kidding, not just because Andrew was here. I
literally carry these two Surefire flashlights with me all the time.
It's like one is none, two is one, all of
that stuff. And yeah, okay, I'm geeky. Even in the
other pocket. I got a turn the kit and I
got gauze, and I got blah blah blah, all same
(32:29):
ore thing. I might even have safety gear on my belt.
Who knows could be the stuff happens like that. Yeah,
one of the things I did before I came to
the hall here. This is interesting. I checked with my
contact at the enner. I said, can you carry here?
He said, of course you can. It's okay, he said,
Just don't don't be pulling it out. Said of course not.
We don't do that. We you know, we try not to.
(32:51):
You don't pull your gun out and I show it
to other people. But yes, everything is great. Uh, you
can carry here. I think I've seen some people caring openly,
but I know a lot of people are coming concealed.
I actually had this thought when I was doing the
interview with the acting US Attorney General, Todd blanch and
(33:14):
his security people were around and they said they were FBI.
But I'm never sure if they're actually telling me the
truth or if they were Secret Service. But I think
they probably were FBI, and they were at least well
we could identify six. There may have been more that
we couldn't identify, and I had this thought they could well,
I'm standing here next to him, and I'm doing this interview.
(33:36):
I wonder if they all know that I'm carrying at
the moment, And then I thought, of course they do.
That's what they do, that's their business. You know, they
probably know everything about me before they agreed to do
the interview and probably had a pretty good idea of
not only that it was carried, but one I was
carry But then I thought, well, you know, but they
also probably know that somewhere between ten and twenty percent
(33:58):
of the people walking around this hall, hundreds of people,
thousands of people in the hall are carrying. That's an
interesting security situation and that, you know, but I can't
think of a place that I feel safer, which is
kind of interesting.
Speaker 10 (34:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Whether they say on armed society is a polite society.
Robert Hyman, the author, wrote that in one of his novels,
and generally speaking, it tends to be true if now,
if only the bad guys are armed, it's not as polite.
But when the good guys have guns, it tends to
(34:36):
reset the attitude of some of the bad guys. We've
had interesting conversations, as you might imagine, about guns and
magazine capacity and thirty eight specials and all this that's telling.
Somebody said, you know, we know now from all the
videos we see of attacks. We got all these security
videos and everything else. Almost inevitably, when a good guy
(35:00):
shoots back, and it really doesn't matter how many attackers
they are, that number goes from whatever that is to
zero because they turn and run. Now, I'm not saying
that the idea of a gun is to scare people away.
It's not. But the thinking here is that you know,
(35:20):
once you fire the first shot, you're probably not dealing
with that. Several people, they're probably a boogie. They're gone
somewhere else. So one of the things I was talking
to and look, there are some cool stuff. The cool
things come in our way. There are things that we
get told by manufacturers here that we're under NDA is
(35:41):
about we can't talk about. But let me just tell
you there's some neat stuff coming. So one I can
tell you because I'm not going to tell who it is,
and probably it's more than one that's going to be
doing it. In nineteen elevens, I love nineteen elevens, but everybody,
I mean everybody talked to here says, yeah, they're dead
as far as single stack nineteen eleven's they just they
(36:02):
can't sell them. Double stacks. Yeah, they can sell them
like crazy. And I said, you know what we really
need is I have smallish hands. What we really need
is a double stack nineteen eleven with the grip size,
magazine size of something like the subcompacts, the micro nines,
(36:24):
the P three sixty five's that kind of thing. If
you could take that magazine and then build a nineteen
eleven double stack around that. And I said that to
several different manufacturers. It was the same reaction, and they're
all looking at I mean, like, uh, yeah, what do
you think we're working on? I don't know when, but
(36:48):
my guess would be sometime in the next twelve months
we're going to see exactly that. Because what we have
is an entire new generation of people who have discovered
the nineteen eleven through the double stack, if you will,
twenty eleven. They love having more ambo and it's the
cool thing, it's the staccato thing. And then everybody else
(37:11):
has them as well, and they discovered, Okay, the nineteen
eleven really shoots well, man, it's smooth and it's got
like the best trigger ever, and you go, yeah, exactly.
That's what we've been saying for all these years. That's
why we like the nineteen eleven. They say, yeah, but
you know nineteen eleven is old fashioned. No, it's just
the singlestack version of your twenty eleven. All that to say,
(37:33):
I think we're going to get the melding of all
this and get the gun that really works, which is
a smaller grip, smaller frame. Nineteen eleven, twenty eleven, whatever
you are calling, I don't know, but I think that's coming.
Beyond that, we're hearing some rumors about some most interesting technology.
(37:58):
It's one of those people kind of hint at it,
but they won't tell you exactly what they're working on.
But I know it's coming, and I think there'll be
some things introduced this year throughout the year. Some of
them may be the more innovative things are gonna have
to wait until shot show next year. I don't know,
(38:21):
but it's going to be fascinating to watch. We'll just
see what develops. There so a lot of interesting things going.
There's somebody here, got to go look at who it was,
can't remember. There's just so many things to talk about.
Somebody has a folding shotgun. I mean like you grab it,
you shake it and unfolds and all of a sudden
you got this operational shotgun. You know, well, that was
whacko crazy cool. A lot of folding pdw's a personal
(38:46):
defense weapon type guns or car beings with folding stocks.
A lot of truck guns, guns that would go into
a backpack so you can walk around and have a
long gun of some sort. Maybe it's a pistol caliber
carbing and not frighten the public. You've got it in
a little backpack or some kind of a spling bag
something like that. A lot of interest in that. I
(39:08):
love the idea of the pistol caliber carding in ten
milimeter for whatever reason, shoots flat out to one hundred
yards and hits hard with that longer barrel. So we'll
see more of that as well. I'll pick this up
on the backside'd be right back with more gun talling.
Sometimes you just look out the window or the door
(39:30):
there and you go, hey, that's a friend of mine
walking by. Let's just shang high him and make him
would sing for his separate dug cane. It joins us
right now. Seriously, one of the best shooters on the planet,
maybe the best shooter. Frankly, Doug, you won't say it,
but I could say it. You've been a professional shooter
for at least three weeks now.
Speaker 10 (39:46):
Just a little over that over. So I think this
was this is my fortieth year.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
I go say you and I Markham Park Sportsman Team
Challenge for the TV show way.
Speaker 10 (39:56):
Back right early nineties, early.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Nineties, Holy cow, time fly amazing stuff. And you know,
and now you're still shooting professionally only because you keep winning.
Speaker 10 (40:08):
I've still been able to manage some success.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Yeah, you're eking out a little bit, a little bit,
a little bit.
Speaker 11 (40:13):
I am slowing down, but still able to be somewhat competitive.
Speaker 10 (40:17):
And you know, for me, I just I wouldn't know
what else to do. I just love it.
Speaker 11 (40:21):
I love the people, I love the competition. I love
you know, the equipment and getting that stuff all set up.
And you know, now I've transitioned into running tournaments.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
You know, you got your own matches now, so talk
about that.
Speaker 11 (40:34):
So last weekend I was just in Colorado for the
Canane Gruger PRC, which is a two day National PRS
match all animal target, seventeen stages. We had a we
had a great turnout. That was year six for me
doing that great match. And then three weeks ago it
was my fourth year running the US Steel Nationals, so
(40:56):
a Steel Challenge match in Florida, Feel Rifle and Pistol Clubs.
So you know, we had three hundred and fifty guns
and that was almost double what we had last year.
So we're expecting another big jump next year. And you know,
for me, it's it's a give back, you know. I mean,
I've loved the competitive side of things and I can't
(41:19):
imagine them not being around. And if I can put
on some matches and what I tell everybody, I run
a match and run matches the way I feel they
should be treating the shooters the way I've always felt like.
And I'm not saying other people don't, but no, they
want to be professional things.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
I want, you know, what shooters want and what they need.
Speaker 11 (41:39):
Right And to me, you know, we're in the entertainment business.
It's they're going to spend money, they're going to come.
I want to give them back so that they feel
they get great value, great competition, a great environment, and
a great environment to bring kids into, especially Steel Challenge stuff.
Speaker 10 (41:57):
And to me, that's that's the future. That's what it's
all about. I'm not getting any younger, and I want
this stuff to go on for another couple hundred years.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
I keep telling people, look, our secret weapon in the
whole sec amendment world, and then we forget to tell
people this is that shooting is fun, right.
Speaker 10 (42:13):
The ultimate fun.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah, the ultimate you know, and you know, particularly for
guys who really like to use the remote control, that's
what shooting is, right, pushy button hearing. Something happens way out.
Speaker 11 (42:23):
There exactly exactly, and it's whether whether you want to
compete or not compete. But I have never, and I'll
say this, you know a million times, never had somebody
at the range that didn't walk away with a smile
on their face.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
No matter what. Typically they turn around and look at
you say can I shoot it again? You go, yes, right,
we'll keep feeding it.
Speaker 10 (42:41):
You shoot it exactly. I mean, it's well, it's all
about and.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
You've reached the point where a lot of us do,
where it's still a lot of fun to shoot, but
it gets to be more fun to bring somebody in
and get them going.
Speaker 11 (42:53):
One hundred percent, just like on the hunting side, Just
like on the hunting side. I mean, I'd rather see
my boys something.
Speaker 10 (43:01):
I want to be there. I want to be hanging out, right.
I don't need to shoot. I don't need to shooting anymore.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Right, it's fun to put them on something watch that
help them pack it out, whatever it takes. There you go.
Speaker 11 (43:11):
Yeah, I'm the camp you know, gutter. You know, that's
what I do for my voice.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
All right. So when people want to follow you what
you're doing and they're away online for them to catch.
Speaker 10 (43:20):
Uh, I mean caning shooting sports.
Speaker 11 (43:23):
My website for them k O E N I G
Shooting Sports and they can they can follow what I'm
doing there, the matches, I'm running, any products, and you
can get a hold of me, email me, classes whatever.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
There you go, that's where you can find. Okay, thank
you man, We're able to sh you here.
Speaker 10 (43:40):
Absolutely, thank you all.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Right, big thanks to Ruber for letting us hang out
in their place here. It's been great. From the Terra's
annual meetings in Houston, I'm Tom Gresham. Gun Talk will
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
All right, welcome back to gun Talk. Yes we are
at the NRA show in Houston, but we're actually not
because I wanted to get Ryan Gresham on here. He's
the head of gun Talk HQ, but he left the
show to early, so we recorded an interview before the show,
So that's why you're not getting the background noise and
all of that. We actually are still at the show,
but you're just picking up a little bit of a
(00:51):
recorded interview right now.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
You know, they get to enjoy some beautiful audio. As
everybody's listening to this, I am zooming down ITM.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
That's right. You are hauling time to get back home
to Louisiana from Houston, having spent the entire time at
the NRAA annual meetings. We call it the NRA Show.
It's actually the Annual Meetings, but there's a big exhibit
hall there and we've been having lots of those guests
on here. But I did want to talk about this
latest thing. You know, you and I are guilty. I
guess like a lot of people are. We do a
(01:21):
lot of promotion of everybody else, and that's our business
and getting the word out of all the new stuff
and what cool things people are doing. Sometimes we forget
to tell people what we're doing.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Yes, yeah, So we're always coming up with new ways
to reach people. And of course people who listen to
this they love guns, they love shooting, they love hunting,
they love all of those things. And so we're always
looking for new ways to reach more people and help
you guys find this content. And we created a new way,
(01:51):
but it's sort of an old way. We have a
new television channel called Shooting Sports Life. The way television
is these days and TV, but there's a lot of
definitions of TV. Watching YouTube videos on their TV is
that TV. Well, it's just it's all kind of mixes together,
and so it's a streaming network called Shooting Sports Life.
(02:11):
It's free, it's live, and it's always on.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
People say, we have a how do I get it?
Where do I get it? That's kind of the key
because there are so many places now that stream video.
This is a system, this is a service, if you will,
a network that you can actually get on your TV
at home.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Exactly, you can watch it on your TV. You can
also watch it on your on your mobile device, on
your phone or your iPad or whatever. But if you
if you go to Shooting SportsLife dot com, you'll see
more about it. It's we kind of call it your
new favorite channel because if you are into guns, believe
it or not, guys, there is not a dedicated TV
(02:52):
network all about guns and shooting. Yeah, we've been on
a lot of the Outdoor Channel and Sportsman Channel and
stuff like that, but you're liable to run into bass
phishing or rving or a bunch of other things that
may not be your hobby. But if your thing is guns,
this is the channel for you. And so basically, if
you go to Shooting SportsLife dot com, we have ten
(03:14):
different streaming app streaming platforms that are airing the network
right now. And I'm gonna say it once, I'll say
it twice. It's free. This is a free network. There
is no fee to watch it, and it's what is
it like I select my show. No, it's a live
TV channel, just like TV of the old days. You
(03:35):
turn it on and watch it.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
Just run in twenty four to seven. You turn it
on and you just find out what's running at the
moment when you turn it on. But it is it's
like all style TV, but it's available from your TV
at home exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
So smart TVs and streaming apps is kind of the
easiest way to explain it.
Speaker 3 (03:53):
Okay, So just like you would add say Prime or Netflix,
you just add one of these onto your TV and
then exact on that and it'll pop up with this
menu and you pick Shooting Sports Life and turn it
on and sit back and watch gun content just NonStop
exactly exactly.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
So we've got a bunch of different apps that are
airing the network right now, and we're going to be
expanding and adding more places to see it. But I
mean places that you may have heard of in the past,
like Truth Plus, which is part of truth Socials. Yeah,
it's part of Trump Media. They have a whole Truth
Plus has all of these free channels. What you're going
(04:30):
to find is when you go on to one of
these places, you go, wait a minute, there's a bunch
of free television channels that I can just watch. And
it's kind of this ecosystem of streaming television really lends
itself to niche audiences. So you've got like Surf TV
or the Tennis channel, or the Home and Garden Channel. Well,
(04:54):
this is the gun channel. It's called Shooting Sports Life,
and there's a lot of ways that you can watch.
It's pretty easy, actually.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
So what are you putting on here?
Speaker 4 (05:03):
Well, obviously we're gonna we have our shows there, Guns
and Gear, we have First Person Offender. We have some
of the shows that people love and they miss, like
Gun Venture and Buildbox. We've got gun Talk Nation, which
is ya podcast, but podcast are kind of talk shows
these days. We've got Gun Talk Hunt, and we have
new shows that we're going to be putting there as
(05:24):
well in new episodes. Right, So, we're working on the
new season of Guns and Gear covering all the new stuff,
and new seasons of First Person Defender, putting real people
into self defenced scenarios and see how they do and
give them some training and see how they improve.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
How long we've been producing video content, that's how much
we've got to deal from right now.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
It's a lot. I mean, they hundreds and hundreds of
hours of content that we have, and then we're adding
to it. We're actually kind of in works in talks
with some partners that are to be coming on who
probably some folks that you guys have seen and know
who make really great content and it's going to be
going on the network as well. But kind of your
(06:05):
one stop shop. And I would say this also, Yes,
you can follow gun Talk and your other favorite gun
people on YouTube and Facebook and all that, but the
problem with that is, I mean, we all know it's
the tech platforms, and sometimes people get shadow banned or
get shut down or whatever, and this is a place
where you can go and just watch this stuff. And yes,
(06:27):
believe it or not, we can show gun content and
talk about whatever we want to talk about there.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
We have our own television network now, our own channel exactly,
and we could put what we want on it. And
Noway's going to throttle it or shadow band it or
cut us off and it's simply going to be here.
So what's in it for meda, For the listener right
now who likes our video and our content, this is
a way to see stuff that you actually it's been
hidden from you before.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
That's true. Yeah, probably a lot of this is new
content for you. But it's really about celebrating the people,
the stories, and the spirit that define the shooting lifestyle.
It's a destination for gun enthusiasts and it's whether that's
skill competition, shooting public figures who share the passion and
(07:13):
and you know, kind of truly live their life on
the range, and it's it's kind of like you get
to go there and you're watching like minded people have
some fun and maybe there's a little education there, maybe
there's an entertainment there, but hopefully it's it's inspiring programming.
And it makes it easier to share with other generations too,
(07:35):
because now it's on the TV. It's not getting it's
in plain sight and you can put it on and
whether that's you know, put it on while you're cooking
and you just kind of leave it on and it's playing,
or whether you sit down to watch it with your
with your kids or or you know, your friends or whatever.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Yeah, there's tactical stuff. There's self defense, there's hunting, there's competition,
there's conversations with all you like Jackcar, I mean just
goes on and on. It's about guns or shooting or
hunting or anything in the gun life, a gun culture.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
It's there exactly. Yeah, it's called Shooting Sports Life. So
that's I think the easiest way. Because it's on a
lot of different streaming platforms, the easiest way is to
just go to the website Shooting SportsLife dot com and
then you can find, you know, your favorite streaming app,
whether that's Free Live Sports or stream Mix or Truth
plus or Stir. There's a bunch of them that are
(08:28):
running it right now, and we're always pitching the channel
to more places and so we'll be adding it to
to more like smart TV apps and that kind of
thing down the road as well.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Okay, yeah, just go Shooting SportsLife dot com. You can
see what the leads started there.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Well, thanks thanks for having me on. I hope you
guys will go check it out. It's it's it's a
pretty cool thing to see twenty four to seven gun
content as a streaming network.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
It's an audacious, outrageous thing for you to do, but
I'm sure glad that you're doing it. Hey, don't go far.
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Speaker 3 (11:43):
All right, we're back from the break here because during
the break we've been talking about guns and shooting. Yeah,
fixed price there right, All right, we're talking with our
longtime friend Andrew Wright from Surefire. And Andrew, we were
just actually we're talked a little bit about Surefire, but we're
talking about this place that you've been to, this amazing
shooting facil in Riggins, Ida about what hour so north
(12:03):
of where I live.
Speaker 10 (12:04):
Yeah, exactly, a couple hours outside of Boise.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Right exactly. So what were you doing over there?
Speaker 10 (12:10):
So we had an event to launch our new socom
for Series suppressors. There's a facility out there called Hat
Creek Training. A guy named Brian Morgan runs and he
does a lot of precision shooting, specifically high angle precision
shooting training or instruction out there, shooting up, shooting down,
shooting up and shooting down right, a lot of military folk,
(12:30):
high end special operations. But he runs open courses as well,
and it's an amazingly beautiful facility. So we ran that
event out there mainly to launch the suppressors. But obviously
we got in some really good training the high angle stuff.
As we were just talking about, it's an interesting topic.
There's a lot to learn.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Well, yeah, there's geometry involved, and it is not intuitive. Essentially,
whether you're shooting up or shooting down, the bullet hits
higher than your aiming point. Yep. To make it simple
at that level, it's not simple, but that's the essence
of it is that it's the vertical distance, or rather
(13:09):
horizontal distance. If you can do the whole triangle hot
news serect geometry thing, which I can't do.
Speaker 10 (13:16):
There's also there's also effects on your barrel pointing up
and pointing down with the way rigidity and gravity works.
Because you know, if I'm holding an object here, leverage
and I'm talking on the radio, But if there's a
bar that.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
You're holding out, yeah I can see your hands here.
Speaker 10 (13:33):
Yeah, it's going to be pulled down on more than
if it's like this, right, because all the weight is
going downwards, and that makes the difference. It does. It
does the biggest honest honestly, the biggest thing and the
biggest problem I think most people have from what I
saw was just can't. It's very easy to be discombobulated
in the mountains and think you are level with the world, yes,
(13:53):
and not be. And so having a good you know,
some type of anti can't device a level on the
gun to indicate if.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
You've got the rifle canted left or right. It may
not make much of a difference at one hundred yards,
but you get out shooting at some serious distances and
it will really throw you off.
Speaker 10 (14:08):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean we shot we shot targets at
twenty one hundred meters. Yeah, with with with a three
hundred norma, but most of the shooting we were doing
was with six arc and five five six the sixth
arc we were shooting you know, eight hundred and fifty
meters and in and can't matters a lot when you're
shooting at those distances. So having a good level on
the gun, and it's sometimes like you're looking at that
(14:29):
level and you're like, that doesn't look right because the
trust there.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Is no horizon. That's the thing about the mountains, And
when I fly in the mountains, same deal. It's like
what you think is the horizon is not really the
level horizon, and it may not it's not even just
the left and the right. What you think is okay,
that's level out there, No, it's really not. And it
it's confusing. It really throws you off.
Speaker 10 (14:51):
Yeah, and you just got to trust your instruments. You
got to be like, okay, this bubble levels.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Not just like flying instruments.
Speaker 10 (14:57):
Right, yep, that's that's exactly the same thing. Yep.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
It's like, say, well this compass is not right. No,
actually the compass is almost always right. Yeah. You know
when you think it's wrong, you're still wrong, right, same
deal yep, yep.
Speaker 10 (15:09):
So yeah, you shoot, you miss. The first thing is
like chuck can't. Oh yeah, look at me.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I was.
Speaker 10 (15:13):
I started to lean to one side. That was my problem.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
You had fun out there, didn't you.
Speaker 10 (15:16):
It was a lot of fun. It was cool. I
want to get back out there. But learned a.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Lot at its core. And we've talked about this before,
this whole taking shooting classes of all different disciplines. It's
just fun.
Speaker 10 (15:29):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, I mean, and there's so much.
I mean, you can do it endlessly. There's so much
to learn and to stay current on it all. I mean,
there's it's it's beneficial and it's super fun to do
well exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
I mean you can. Yes, you're gonna learn to be
a better shooter, you're going to learn to operate your equipment,
You're going to hang around. It's motivating because you hang
around people who are even if you think you're good,
they're better. Oh yeah, yeah, and some of them are
like freakishly better. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (15:57):
You learn from both the direct instruction and then just
them do anything and you're like, oh, that's a way
better way to load this magazine or anything, just like
the simplest thing, you know. But yeah, it was. It
was a lot of fun and I'm hopefully looking forward
to getting.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
There's also some motivation to just not look like a dufist,
you know.
Speaker 10 (16:15):
That's most of my motivation in life is just trying
to look like I know what I'm doing exactly.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Yeah, and a nice party, I mean, and I know, look,
if you've never taken any of these classes, whether it's
there or gut Site or our play, whatever, there's a
fear performance of saying, well, I won't embarrass myself. No,
you won't. The instructors, the good instructors will never embarrass you.
You know, they're just going to say Okay, that's where
(16:41):
you are. You're starting at a different place and then
they're going to take you and go from there.
Speaker 10 (16:45):
One hundred percent. Yeah, you just got to show up.
I mean, that's the fear with everything that's new, and honestly,
that's like the the that should tell you that you
need to do it, you know what I mean, you
should confront that.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Uh, and that's the once you get through the first
room and you go, oh, okay, this is They're not
gonna beat me up. It's fine, and they're not gonna
hold me up in front of the class and say
here's the idiot.
Speaker 10 (17:04):
Right, it's the rest. You know, everyone's the same, everyone
had that first class, and you'll realize, you know, you're
not that far off and yeah, and then you.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
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Speaker 10 (17:16):
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Speaker 3 (17:52):
A giant on the wall over here. It's unbelievable.
Speaker 10 (17:56):
It's ridiculous front loading battery. It comes with a brand
new recharger one twenty three, so it's got a USBC
port directly on the battle.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
So you can recharge it. But you could also just
use a regular one twenty three.
Speaker 10 (18:07):
That's right, yep, it'll take both. Okay, you're gonna lose
a little bit of output and run time with you
when you put the standard one twenty three. The rechargeable
gets you the full okay, the full output. But super exciting.
I mean, honestly, we were just talking about it before
the show. This output is basically the same as an
X three hundred Ultra, which is the gold standard handgun
weapon light. You know, law enforcement across the nation and
(18:28):
actually the worldwide has been using that weapon light forever,
and you know, this tiny little light is the same
exact kind of output both in lumen's and candela.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
It weighs nothing, it's yeah, it's small. And the other
thing is and there are a lot of holsters out
there that are made for your gun with that light.
Speaker 10 (18:46):
That's correct.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Take it.
Speaker 10 (18:47):
Yeah, there's already a bunch of holsters on the market
that fit this exact weapon light.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
So we were laughing a little while ago because we
were at this for so long, remembering some of the
very early tactical lights from Surefire, and we were so
happy that they had sixty lumens.
Speaker 10 (19:03):
Right, it seemed like the sun at the time.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Yes, and now you'd say, my light's broken. There's something
wrong here. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (19:08):
People are mad if you don't have like five hundred lumens.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Now, it is crazy, all right, So that you had
a larger light, Oh you got the can.
Speaker 10 (19:16):
Yeah, this is a yeah, this is a suppressor. This
is what that event was about. So this is our
brand new Sokum for series. This particular one is the
five to five six Mini four, So it's a little
bit shorter, low back pressure suppressor meaning you know traditional
baffled suppressors, you know, had a little bit of increased
back pressure, speeding up the bolt, having a little bit
(19:38):
of gas come out the ejection port. The emphasis on
these is to try and push gas forward and not
out of the ejection port.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Why is that important?
Speaker 10 (19:47):
Well, the gas, for one, is toxic. You don't want
to breathe it in. So if people are shooting a lot,
you don't want to breathe much of that.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
For somebody's out here shooting, you know a few times,
it's not a big deal. Nope, But particularly for military
training a lot, raining a lot, you know, you're putting
hundreds of thousands of around through it, it's a big deal.
Speaker 10 (20:03):
Yeah, accumulates also, that speeds up the gun, It gets
the gun dirtier. All of those things wear and tear
on parts, you know, as you speed up the gun. There,
that's that's not ideal. So a low back pressure suppressor
prevents all of that. These are one hundred percent Inkanel made.
Inkanol is a high temperature alloy. They use it Formula
one exhaust, They use it on rocket ship nozzle, they.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Use it on airplane exhausts. Now there you go familiar
with them from that.
Speaker 10 (20:28):
Yeah, So incanel maintains structural integrity at super high temperatures.
So this thing can be glowing and still and still
strong and lightweight. Inkonol's not that light. It's not like titanium.
The main thing with these is its durability. So this
is you know, a military oriented but anybody that wants
a super strong, hard use suppressor like this is this
(20:49):
is the end all be all.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Well, before we got on the air, you were just sharing.
You said, look, you just become pretty fanatic about protecting
your hearing when you're shooting these days. Yes, what's that about.
Speaker 10 (21:02):
Well, hearing loss is cumulative people, you know, I don't
think they realize because you know, you hear something loud,
you accidentally shoot without ear pro on your ears ring
and then it goes away. Well, yes, you have temporary
hearing loss and then that's when it comes back, is
when the ringing stops. But you also you incurred permanent
hearing loss. You lost a little something there every time.
(21:22):
So every time you get some hearing loss, it accumulates
piece by piece by piece. So for me, you know,
I shoot quite a bit and therefore I'm always doubling
up my hearing protection. I'm wearing usually a set of
shurfire hearing protection in the ears.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
You got plugs and muffs and muffs over it.
Speaker 10 (21:40):
Yeah, just so I can have two sets of hearing protection.
I do count a suppressor as one. So if I'm
just shooting rifle and it's had the suppressor on it,
I'll count that as one. I'll get away with just
one set of here.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
Okay, interesting idea. I hadn't thought about that, all right,
So you have two different levels working for you there.
Speaker 10 (21:55):
Absolutely, Yeah, suppressors are game changer for hearing protection. I
mean hunting, you know, for me, I've the last several
hunts I've been on, I will not hunt without a suppressor.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Wow. Yeah, just it's just you just don't do.
Speaker 10 (22:06):
It from a hearing standpoint. But also there's a there's
kind of a tactical advantage. You know, the herd doesn't move.
The last few animals we've taken. If you if you
missed or needed to follow up, the herd does not move.
Still there, unsuppressed, they are running. You know.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I'll be asama gun all right, Andrew, don't go anywhere.
I'm going to hold you over to talk a little
bit more. When we'll come back. You got more cool
stuff for us to talk about from Surefire. I'm Tom Gresham.
Were at the Rigor booth at the NRA's annual meetings.
We'll be right back. Yeah, you never know where you're
(22:41):
gonna have these kindred spirits. We're talking without Andrew right
from Surefire, and we're not talking about suppressors and lights
and the break. We're talking about hunting rifles. And Andrew,
you like the light rifles like I do because you
hunt in steep country. Yeah, you actually hunt higher than
I do in Colorado elevation wise.
Speaker 10 (22:56):
Yeah, it's a it's we're starting at Usually the town
near where we hunt is eight thousand, so everything is
above eight.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
That's brutal.
Speaker 10 (23:05):
It takes a couple of days to get to get
hacklimated to that. You're huffing and puffing.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Even though you live in altitude that's higher altitude and
you've got to adjust to that.
Speaker 10 (23:12):
Yeah, it's it takes a couple of days, but it does.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
And we were talking about lightweight rifles are harder to shoot.
Speaker 10 (23:18):
Well, yeah, every pound matters obviously in that country. So
I'm my gun, My hunting guns pretty dang light. You know,
carbon fiber barrel I use. Our titanium are so comm
seven to six to two tie to it's a titanium suppressor,
super lightweight. But yeah, the lighter, the gun. Every little
input that you put on it, you're going to see
it in the in the optic, it's it's harder to shoot,
(23:39):
they move around more.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
We're coming into a new era in all of this
with rifles, with the tax going away on suppressors and
on sbr so you can have shorter barrels. And then
you add in the high pressure loads that we're getting
now specialized eighty thousand PSI where you can recap sure
the velocity you lose a small barrel. I think our
(24:03):
rifles are something going to look different in the future.
Speaker 10 (24:05):
I think so. I think very soon we'll start seeing
some significantly shorter hunting rifles. It'll be very interesting. And
like you said, you know people that have been holding
off on the suppressor because they didn't want the added length,
I think they're You're gonna be hard pressed to find
people not hunting suppressed.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Yeah, and see that's where I didn't want the long
barrel and thick another six inches a can out there.
But man if I can cut four inches off the
barrel and now you've got four inch long suppressors, four
five six whatever and lightweight going okay, I think maybe
my objections are not valved.
Speaker 10 (24:39):
Anymore exactly, Yeah, and then tax dam's gone away. You
have more and more, you know, excuses removed of why
not to It's one of the reasons. So for me,
I use a folding stock, oh, bolt action rifle. Sure,
specifically again just because of that overall length, because I
don't want a really long rifles sticking above my pack.
We're going through you know, a lot of brush, hang
(25:00):
it up on stuff, exactly. Sure, So the way my
gun sits on the pack when it's folded stock, you know,
the suppressors just right up. My head leveled pretty much.
So it's not not a bad deal. But I know,
I understand fully that the advantage and people in the
preference for a normal stock you know, traditional hunting rifle.
They definitely feel great, but I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I like them. I like the way they feel. But
at the same time, once something gets to the point
where it offers a significant advantage, and you go, okay,
it's time to give up on the old and let's
go take a look at this new stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 10 (25:29):
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see you know, some goofy
short hunting rifles with high pressure ammunition in the future.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
They're gonna look strange to us for a while, and
then it'll be normal. Then we're going to look back
and look at what we've been using and think it
looks like an old Kentucky rifle or something like an
old you know, this long barrel thing.
Speaker 10 (25:43):
You'll see a hunting picture and you look like you
had a blunderbust from here.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Right, No, it's exactly exactly. That's fine, all right, you
brought one more toy over there we ought to talk about.
Speaker 10 (25:52):
So this is our new Turbo Scout Light Pro long
gun weapon light. Obviously, you know, if you have a
rifle for or a shotgun for defensive purposes, we are
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should be able to identify positively whatever you're potentially going
to shoot or even point a rifle at if it's
a home defense scenario. So this new Turbo Scout Light
(26:13):
Pro it's focused on candela, So six hundred and fifty
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All that means for you is it's a very tight,
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it seems market preference for that type of beam.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
For way for reaching way out there long.
Speaker 10 (26:32):
For reaching way out there long. You know, also for
in the middle. It's like sectors in depth. Basically, it means,
if we're sitting in a room, there's a hallway and
another room that you're trying to illuminate into. The narrower
beam is going to do a better job at penetrating
those sectors in depth instead of bouncing off the walls
and the door frames that are intermediate.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
I just realize as you're talking, I'm reaching. I said, huh,
wonder where I'm carrying today? I have, I mean a lot.
Speaker 10 (27:00):
You're just a kiss up. You're a overachiever.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yeah, this is every day and this is not just
because you're here.
Speaker 10 (27:05):
I appreciate it. Look at you.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
You got the same light.
Speaker 10 (27:07):
That's impressive. Yeah, this is the Stiletto Pro two for
the listeners. This thing is awesome. Man, I love the house.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
It's a two beam. It looks like a fifty seven
Chevy headlights coming at you with this thing. You got
these too, amazing? Good Lord, that thing's bright.
Speaker 10 (27:21):
That's hilarious. I've never heard it described that way, but
you are one hundred percent out. Yeah, this thing's fifteen
hundred lumins thirty five thousand candela. But the main thing
is it's flat, so it's comfortable in your pocket. You
don't notice it. It's not annoying in your pocket. And
it's a USBC rechargeable light. So if you're using it
every day, which you end up doing when you carry it,
you just plug it in at night and it's good
(27:42):
to go.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
And you guys have gotten some kind of super duper
battery technology because you know a lot of stuff you
have rechargeable batteries and after why, you've used them a
bunch and they just keep going down and down. They
don't do much. I don't know what the deal is,
but these things just seem to last forever.
Speaker 10 (27:57):
Yeah, there's not much. There's like no parasitic draw The
engineers know what they're doing obviously, so you could throw
it in the drawer and it's good to go for
a long time.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
And I know people say, well, you know what do
they cost? And my answer is, it's a piece of
my safety gear and it will last a long long time.
And oh yeah, it's a piece of my safety gear.
You know, I'm not buying the cheap gun. I'm not
buying the cheap well parachute yep, which is what they
(28:25):
really are. This is my gear that saves my life.
Speaker 10 (28:27):
It's you know, it's the old adage of buy ones
cry once. We have so many people come by that
have had a light for ten, twenty, thirty, forty years
now and they're still using it. And you know, we
don't cut corners for cost. We build everything in house.
We manufacture still in the USA, all of our turning center.
This is machininge and this is not Asian stuff, No,
(28:48):
this is assembly. We even do our own circuit boards
in house. We do everything ourselves and obviously that's not cheap,
but we build to a quality standpoint, and that's the
most important goal for us.
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Have to have had appliers from China and other places
come to you and say, you know, we can make
that for you cheaper.
Speaker 10 (29:05):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, we know. We don't fold
the we're still privately held. The owner is you know,
staunchly a believer in American manufacturing and we're going to
continue to do that.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
And the guarantee on all this stuff.
Speaker 10 (29:19):
It's a lifetime guarantee. Rechargeable products, there's a there's a
battery limitation to a certain amount of cycles mix, so
it's a slightly reduced warranty. The standard one twenty three
flashlights like our X three hundreds of a scout light in
my hand. It's a lifetime warranty.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
So if it breaks, you just take care of it.
Speaker 10 (29:36):
We'll just take care of it. Zip was that, Yeah,
they'll they'll repair it. If they can't repair it, they'll
replace it. It's over.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
We're goun what's the origin story on Surefire?
Speaker 10 (29:45):
So the founder doctor John Matthews. He was a laser physicist,
playing around with lasers. He's a big firearms enthusiast. He
had some some friends in law enforcement. They ended up
throwing you know, hey, can we put a laser on
this revolver? And that's what they did and ended up
selling some to a couple departments. I'll send you a
(30:06):
picture of one. It's a crazy, big monstrosity. If you
ever saw a terminator, it's very similar. That is our laser.
That's one of our products. On top of that AMT
nineteen eleven. That was the early laser. So the company
was originally called Laser Products. We started making more lasers
for different guns. We made them for shotguns. Some of
the when the Olympics in nineteen eighty four was came
(30:26):
to Los Angeles, we sold some to LAPD for their shotguns.
Fast forward, we did the first compact flashlight and it
was called the Shurfire and it was two early CR
one twenty threes and that sixty lumen P sixty bulb
and that blew up and we started making them basically
that same lamp assembly for pistols for handgun weapon lights,
(30:49):
we started doing MP five four ends, et cetera. And
two thousand and one the company rebranded because the flashlights
were the big part to Shurfire as a whole. And
it's been ongoing since. We've been doing suppressors now for
twenty two years or something like that. That long now, Yep,
Barry Duke started our suppressor division. We won the Socom
contract for five five six suppressors in twenty eleven and
(31:12):
we're still doing quite well on the suppressor side as well.
So that's the high level rundown.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Of And probably one of the big demarcation points was
when switching for me in condescent to LEDs.
Speaker 10 (31:24):
Yeah, that was a that was a big deal, so
much more efficient in the beginning they weren't. You know,
it was a like computers.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
It was.
Speaker 10 (31:32):
It was rapidly iterating and getting better every I mean
within months they were getting in so much more rugged. Yes, yeah,
so LEDs enabled us to have way more output, way
better run time, just overall, and much more efficient and
like you said, reliable their solid state, so you can
drop them, throw them and they're going to keep working.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yep, exactly right, all right, website for.
Speaker 10 (31:52):
People, it's just Surefire dot com s U R E
F I R E.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Surefire dot com. Thank you, my friend, I thank you
to be here. Man. I appreciate it.
Speaker 10 (32:00):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Tom good deal. I'm gonna turn your mic off. I'll
let you go out the door. I'm gonna keep talking here.
Speaker 10 (32:05):
I appreciate it. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
You bet Andrew right from sure If fun stuff. I mean,
we get to play with the cool stuff here. And
I'm not kidding, not just because Andrew was here. I
literally carry these two Surefire flashlights with me all the time.
It's like one is none, two is one, all of
that stuff. And yeah, okay, I'm geeky. Even in the
other pocket. I got a turn the kit and I
got gauze, and I got blah blah blah, all same
(32:29):
ore thing. I might even have safety gear on my belt.
Who knows could be the stuff happens like that. Yeah,
one of the things I did before I came to
the hall here. This is interesting. I checked with my
contact at the enner. I said, can you carry here?
He said, of course you can. It's okay, he said,
Just don't don't be pulling it out. Said of course not.
We don't do that. We you know, we try not to.
(32:51):
You don't pull your gun out and I show it
to other people. But yes, everything is great. Uh, you
can carry here. I think I've seen some people caring openly,
but I know a lot of people are coming concealed.
I actually had this thought when I was doing the
interview with the acting US Attorney General, Todd blanch and
(33:14):
his security people were around and they said they were FBI.
But I'm never sure if they're actually telling me the
truth or if they were Secret Service. But I think
they probably were FBI, and they were at least well
we could identify six. There may have been more that
we couldn't identify, and I had this thought they could well,
I'm standing here next to him, and I'm doing this interview.
(33:36):
I wonder if they all know that I'm carrying at
the moment, And then I thought, of course they do.
That's what they do, that's their business. You know, they
probably know everything about me before they agreed to do
the interview and probably had a pretty good idea of
not only that it was carried, but one I was
carry But then I thought, well, you know, but they
also probably know that somewhere between ten and twenty percent
(33:58):
of the people walking around this hall, hundreds of people,
thousands of people in the hall are carrying. That's an
interesting security situation and that, you know, but I can't
think of a place that I feel safer, which is
kind of interesting.
Speaker 10 (34:14):
You know.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Whether they say on armed society is a polite society.
Robert Hyman, the author, wrote that in one of his novels,
and generally speaking, it tends to be true if now,
if only the bad guys are armed, it's not as polite.
But when the good guys have guns, it tends to
(34:36):
reset the attitude of some of the bad guys. We've
had interesting conversations, as you might imagine, about guns and
magazine capacity and thirty eight specials and all this that's telling.
Somebody said, you know, we know now from all the
videos we see of attacks. We got all these security
videos and everything else. Almost inevitably, when a good guy
(35:00):
shoots back, and it really doesn't matter how many attackers
they are, that number goes from whatever that is to
zero because they turn and run. Now, I'm not saying
that the idea of a gun is to scare people away.
It's not. But the thinking here is that you know,
(35:20):
once you fire the first shot, you're probably not dealing
with that. Several people, they're probably a boogie. They're gone
somewhere else. So one of the things I was talking
to and look, there are some cool stuff. The cool
things come in our way. There are things that we
get told by manufacturers here that we're under NDA is
(35:41):
about we can't talk about. But let me just tell
you there's some neat stuff coming. So one I can
tell you because I'm not going to tell who it is,
and probably it's more than one that's going to be
doing it. In nineteen elevens, I love nineteen elevens, but everybody,
I mean everybody talked to here says, yeah, they're dead
as far as single stack nineteen eleven's they just they
(36:02):
can't sell them. Double stacks. Yeah, they can sell them
like crazy. And I said, you know what we really
need is I have smallish hands. What we really need
is a double stack nineteen eleven with the grip size,
magazine size of something like the subcompacts, the micro nines,
(36:24):
the P three sixty five's that kind of thing. If
you could take that magazine and then build a nineteen
eleven double stack around that. And I said that to
several different manufacturers. It was the same reaction, and they're
all looking at I mean, like, uh, yeah, what do
you think we're working on? I don't know when, but
(36:48):
my guess would be sometime in the next twelve months
we're going to see exactly that. Because what we have
is an entire new generation of people who have discovered
the nineteen eleven through the double stack, if you will,
twenty eleven. They love having more ambo and it's the
cool thing, it's the staccato thing. And then everybody else
(37:11):
has them as well, and they discovered, Okay, the nineteen
eleven really shoots well, man, it's smooth and it's got
like the best trigger ever, and you go, yeah, exactly.
That's what we've been saying for all these years. That's
why we like the nineteen eleven. They say, yeah, but
you know nineteen eleven is old fashioned. No, it's just
the singlestack version of your twenty eleven. All that to say,
(37:33):
I think we're going to get the melding of all
this and get the gun that really works, which is
a smaller grip, smaller frame. Nineteen eleven, twenty eleven, whatever
you are calling, I don't know, but I think that's coming.
Beyond that, we're hearing some rumors about some most interesting technology.
(37:58):
It's one of those people kind of hint at it,
but they won't tell you exactly what they're working on.
But I know it's coming, and I think there'll be
some things introduced this year throughout the year. Some of
them may be the more innovative things are gonna have
to wait until shot show next year. I don't know,
(38:21):
but it's going to be fascinating to watch. We'll just
see what develops. There so a lot of interesting things going.
There's somebody here, got to go look at who it was,
can't remember. There's just so many things to talk about.
Somebody has a folding shotgun. I mean like you grab it,
you shake it and unfolds and all of a sudden
you got this operational shotgun. You know, well, that was
whacko crazy cool. A lot of folding pdw's a personal
(38:46):
defense weapon type guns or car beings with folding stocks.
A lot of truck guns, guns that would go into
a backpack so you can walk around and have a
long gun of some sort. Maybe it's a pistol caliber
carbing and not frighten the public. You've got it in
a little backpack or some kind of a spling bag
something like that. A lot of interest in that. I
(39:08):
love the idea of the pistol caliber carding in ten
milimeter for whatever reason, shoots flat out to one hundred
yards and hits hard with that longer barrel. So we'll
see more of that as well. I'll pick this up
on the backside'd be right back with more gun talling.
Sometimes you just look out the window or the door
(39:30):
there and you go, hey, that's a friend of mine
walking by. Let's just shang high him and make him
would sing for his separate dug cane. It joins us
right now. Seriously, one of the best shooters on the planet,
maybe the best shooter. Frankly, Doug, you won't say it,
but I could say it. You've been a professional shooter
for at least three weeks now.
Speaker 10 (39:46):
Just a little over that over. So I think this
was this is my fortieth year.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
I go say you and I Markham Park Sportsman Team
Challenge for the TV show way.
Speaker 10 (39:56):
Back right early nineties, early.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Nineties, Holy cow, time fly amazing stuff. And you know,
and now you're still shooting professionally only because you keep winning.
Speaker 10 (40:08):
I've still been able to manage some success.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Yeah, you're eking out a little bit, a little bit,
a little bit.
Speaker 11 (40:13):
I am slowing down, but still able to be somewhat competitive.
Speaker 10 (40:17):
And you know, for me, I just I wouldn't know
what else to do. I just love it.
Speaker 11 (40:21):
I love the people, I love the competition. I love
you know, the equipment and getting that stuff all set up.
And you know, now I've transitioned into running tournaments.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
You know, you got your own matches now, so talk
about that.
Speaker 11 (40:34):
So last weekend I was just in Colorado for the
Canane Gruger PRC, which is a two day National PRS
match all animal target, seventeen stages. We had a we
had a great turnout. That was year six for me
doing that great match. And then three weeks ago it
was my fourth year running the US Steel Nationals, so
(40:56):
a Steel Challenge match in Florida, Feel Rifle and Pistol Clubs.
So you know, we had three hundred and fifty guns
and that was almost double what we had last year.
So we're expecting another big jump next year. And you know,
for me, it's it's a give back, you know. I mean,
I've loved the competitive side of things and I can't
(41:19):
imagine them not being around. And if I can put
on some matches and what I tell everybody, I run
a match and run matches the way I feel they
should be treating the shooters the way I've always felt like.
And I'm not saying other people don't, but no, they
want to be professional things.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
I want, you know, what shooters want and what they need.
Speaker 11 (41:39):
Right And to me, you know, we're in the entertainment business.
It's they're going to spend money, they're going to come.
I want to give them back so that they feel
they get great value, great competition, a great environment, and
a great environment to bring kids into, especially Steel Challenge stuff.
Speaker 10 (41:57):
And to me, that's that's the future. That's what it's
all about. I'm not getting any younger, and I want
this stuff to go on for another couple hundred years.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
I keep telling people, look, our secret weapon in the
whole sec amendment world, and then we forget to tell
people this is that shooting is fun, right.
Speaker 10 (42:13):
The ultimate fun.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Yeah, the ultimate you know, and you know, particularly for
guys who really like to use the remote control, that's
what shooting is, right, pushy button hearing. Something happens way out.
Speaker 11 (42:23):
There exactly exactly, and it's whether whether you want to
compete or not compete. But I have never, and I'll
say this, you know a million times, never had somebody
at the range that didn't walk away with a smile
on their face.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
No matter what. Typically they turn around and look at
you say can I shoot it again? You go, yes, right,
we'll keep feeding it.
Speaker 10 (42:41):
You shoot it exactly. I mean, it's well, it's all
about and.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
You've reached the point where a lot of us do,
where it's still a lot of fun to shoot, but
it gets to be more fun to bring somebody in
and get them going.
Speaker 11 (42:53):
One hundred percent, just like on the hunting side, Just
like on the hunting side. I mean, I'd rather see
my boys something.
Speaker 10 (43:01):
I want to be there. I want to be hanging out, right.
I don't need to shoot. I don't need to shooting anymore.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
Right, it's fun to put them on something watch that
help them pack it out, whatever it takes. There you go.
Speaker 11 (43:11):
Yeah, I'm the camp you know, gutter. You know, that's
what I do for my voice.
Speaker 3 (43:16):
All right. So when people want to follow you what
you're doing and they're away online for them to catch.
Speaker 10 (43:20):
Uh, I mean caning shooting sports.
Speaker 11 (43:23):
My website for them k O E N I G
Shooting Sports and they can they can follow what I'm
doing there, the matches, I'm running, any products, and you
can get a hold of me, email me, classes whatever.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
There you go, that's where you can find. Okay, thank
you man, We're able to sh you here.
Speaker 10 (43:40):
Absolutely, thank you all.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Right, big thanks to Ruber for letting us hang out
in their place here. It's been great. From the Terra's
annual meetings in Houston, I'm Tom Gresham. Gun Talk will
be here next week. Make sure that you are too,
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