May 28, 2026 • 27 mins
What happens when you hand a pro shooter the keys to Colt's R&D department for 19 years? You get Mark Redl — and he's sharing everything. From why your magazines are probably to blame for your malfunctions, to the real maintenance schedule your 1911 needs, to why mastering a revolver will make you deadlier with any handgun you pick up.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I think a lot of people become better shooters if
they master a revolver, just because they learn that trigger.
I call it a stroke. It's not even a trigger pull.
You're rolling through that trigger, and that equates much better
with the plastic you know, the glock triggers and the
XD triggers. There are more of a long, deliberate pull,
(00:20):
and they do become better shooters. A firm believer in that.
And do I feel undergun if I had one to carry?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
No. I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is guntognation. Guntognation
is brought to you by Range Ready, FN, Silence are
(00:53):
Central and Arcan Firearms. Hey, welcome to Guntognation today. You guntogny.
Mark Reddell, pro shooter, guy who's been with Cult Farms
for a long time, Right, how long.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Shooting for them? Nineteen years? Okay, working full time eleven years.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Every says, oh, it's a dream job. You get to
work at a gun company and you've done it feels
like you've done a little bit of everything there.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I have. I've had a full career there. I suppose
I could say started down a product management. Paul's batality
brought me in to revamp the nineteen eleven line. When
we got done that doing the changes we wanted to
do to that, there was an opening for a law
enforcement national sales manager and they asked me to do
(01:39):
that because I knew the guns, and that position took
somebody could talk about the products and everything. I loved
the job. I did that for six years. I met
some wonderful people in law enforcement. I just really loved
doing it. And then when the cz CULT merger happened,
all testing was going to be done at Colt for
(02:02):
all for cz USA and Engineering asked me to come
over and I actually led the R and D testing
part of it.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Also, well, you've been a a competitive shooter for a
long time, and I think competitive shooters inherently ended up
being somewhere between hobbyist gunsmiths and almost pro gunsmiths because
you're having to work on your own guns, right, So,
I mean you end up being a tinker of guns
and figuring out what works and what doesn't and all that.
I imagine when you're working in testing shooting thousands and thousands
(02:35):
of rounds, you learn a lot about guns.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
You do. The first thing that I would report back
is if had the gun felt in my hand. We
all have picked up guns and they look great, and
then you shoot them and I'll have a what I
call a hotspot, a spot that oh, okay, hurts you
to shoot in recoil. Yeah, you can drop the best gun,
but to your shoot and had to recoil. But I
(03:00):
learned so much about metallurgy, different formulasm metal, what they
can and what they can't do for longevity. And we
do a lot of testing a coal, a lot of
testing a coal, especially on the military cyclest. The government's
always having us do testing to confirm that certain parts
(03:20):
are lasting what they have determined they need to last.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I've always thought that when a company wins a military
part in the world of guns, what consumers maybe need
to appreciate a little bit if they don't know, is
the amount of testing that's required forgetting that military contract.
I mean it's millions of rounds. Whether you win the
(03:45):
contract for a magazine or an optic or a gun
or whatever. It is like it's kind of like that,
you know, the consumer I think can benefit from it
because the company was kind of not that you don't
do testing, but you're kind of forced to do a
lot of tests to satisfy military contracts, right, correct.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
A couple things the public that don't understand about military
contracts also is number one, when you receive it. Everybody
used to always complain Cole doesn't give a crap about
the commercial market. Well, no, when you get that military contract,
a government contract, that's priority. Even all your vendors are notified.
Supplying us to parts our priority. So yeah, if there's
(04:30):
in order for fifty thousand rifles and you produce so
many a day, well, yeah, commercial line is going to
get hurt a little bit because we have to fulfill
that contract by law, by law.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Now on the other side of it, the testing that
you were talking about. Yes, but when you look at
our guns that we sell to the commercial market, they're robust,
last forever. I used to tell people, you know, that
slide and frame that you got on your nineteen eleven,
that's the same material we made for the Marine Corps
(05:01):
pistol when we were doing it. That I had a
last twenty thousand rounds, thirty thousand rounds a military ball. Yeah,
I personally own a gun. I have one hundred and
eighty five thousand rounds through it. Then I'll still run.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Wow, one hundred and eighty five thousand rounds.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I replaced the barrel. I shot the barrel to a
smooth board barrel.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Really, I mean, this is the funny part. Most people
will never get there, and they'll talk about, you know,
shooting a barrel out or whatever. Usually we're talking about rifles,
but you're talking about a pistol rights.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Forty five ACP, which is not a violent round by
any means.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
But no, it is possible to shoot the lands and
grooves out of a barrel.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah, I wonder why I was getting flyers. That's why
I was getting flyers.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, but it's a musket.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Fit in Oh and you know the link on the
BOTB was all stretched and oblong, no kidding, gun still ran,
just didn't group well. But I put out the barrel
link and everything in it. But it's maintenance. It's like
your car. You can get five hundred thousand miles out
of your cart if you maintain it properly.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
All right, since you brought it up, drop some pro
tips as a guy who's tested guns and shot competitively,
because they go, oh, the gun broke well, like, well, yeah,
there are certain parts that you should change. And I
think we know more about cars than we do about guns.
It's like, well, you know every three to five thousand miles,
and you change the oil every you know, thirty or
(06:24):
forty thousand miles, and you change the tires, and these
are like kind of common knowledge things. But on a
pistol there are parts that are where parts that you
need to update and change. Are there some that are
like your top.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Three or four recoil springs. Recoil springs take a set.
They will the rifles too. One. In our armor classes,
we teach you measure to spring length. If it's below
a certain point that that spring has to be replaced.
Course it has collapse to a certain point, and now
the gun's not recoiling and functioning properly.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
So would that be a case of when you get
a new gun, maybe like measure the recoil spring and
make a note of it. You can.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Most manufacturers do have something, I don't know how well publicized,
but I could tell you, like on a five inch
government model you should change ther recoil spring every seven
thousand rounds. Okay, there is that. They're actually best practices
with that. Yeah, well a commander, I'm gonna do it.
At five thousand. The shorter slide, the more frequently you
got to change your recoil spring because the slide acts
(07:27):
with a lot more velocity and violently. Go. You know,
you got to stroke this long versus this long. It's
gonna beat that spring up. The other one that a
lot of people don't understand is, to me, a magazine
is a disposable item.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
OKAYO.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Magazines will wear out springs. Do you can change the springs,
But the feed lamp, feed lips, yeah, will start to
wear and spread and everything, and you'll start to get
malfunctions with them. Now me personally, I have a set
of magazines from a carry gun that I know they
run one hundred percent and that's all. I have a
(08:01):
set of match ones to take the matches when my
competition gone, But then I have practice ones to get
beat to death.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Do you label them all?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I label them all, and I number them.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And we did the same thing at testing. We numbered
every magazine that we did testing in. So we started
to get malfunctions in a test gun. If it's the
same magazine two or three times, we eliminate that magazine
or replace it with another one to continue to test,
because is it the gun? You know, in testing you
always change one variable at a time because you want
(08:33):
to know if that's what was the cause was to
the problem.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It's so true like people say, oh, this gun is jamming,
or this gun is having a feeding issue or whatever. Well,
maybe it's a magazine issue. I mean maybe if you
numbered your magazines, you know it's always that damn number
three magazine that is the issue. And I was actually
at a self defense pistol class one time and this
guy kept having this happen with this matter. I think
(08:59):
there's something we with this mag And the instructor goes, oh,
I can fix that. Let me see it. And he
looked at the mag and he looked at it real hard,
and then he took it and he threw it over
the berm. He goes, I fixed it for you. Now
get another run mags that work.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, well yeah, cheap mags or cheap mags for a reason.
But it's a stamp steal apart. They do have certain
tolerances and everything, but they will wear is it the magazine?
And another thing you brought up my gun jams? Oh
my god, somebody tells me that there's like four or
five things that can cause it, right where you almost
have to have that person there and shoot it so
(09:35):
he can I could see what it's doing, because is
it a failure to feed, failure to extract? Is it
nose diving into the frame of the gun. There's there's
so many different things, but there's different things that can close.
And you'll start to get malfunctions with a weak recoil
spring too. Sure, sure get them.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah it is, but the gun seems to take the
blame a lot of times. It's not the AMMO or
the magazine or something else right, right, So I was like, oh,
this gun, this gun jams this gun, and like, well,
you know, the gun guys are probably like, wait a minute,
it's not our gun. Let's hold on a second. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, Well, I've been at matches and people single stack
guns and they're jamming. I'll give them some of my
mags here, just just try my mags. Even so, and
nine out of ten times will or you look at
the AMO, they're running, like you say, Dylan, most the
greatest thing that ever happened to reloaders and probably one
of the worst thing that ever happened to reloaders, because
(10:28):
if you don't do it right, you'll get malfunctions from reloads.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, and especially on nineteen eleven. There's a difference between
really good mags and just sort of the whatever mags
and actually running a really good mag can't make the
gun run perfectly and very reliable. It can. It can
take a gun who you think is like, I'm not
sure if this gun's running reliably, and all of a
sudden it's running like a top yep. Yeah, man, we'll
(10:56):
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(12:04):
So how many rounds do you think you've shot in
testing over the years?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Oh, in testing or practicing?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Well, I guess all of it.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Do you have any idea over a million?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Over a million rounds? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It was funny because we were having this discussion about
they've asked me to talk a little bit about some
product at Colt, and of course, you know, not the
amount that engineers but want a couple of them. So
you're not an engineer, so I know. But nobody has
more rounds behind a nineteen eleven Colt right now than
probably me. And so before I shot for Colt, I
(12:42):
was doing my own stuff, but less nineteen years. Fifty
thousand rounds a year, yeah, U and fifty thousand that's
that including how many you shoot, you know, average two
thousand a day in testing, five days a week for
a couple of years. Yeah. People don't understand that. Think
about every Colt rifle that we manufacture. If a civilian
(13:06):
rifle gets test fire thirty rounds before it goes through
the door, okay, you built six hundred a day times thirty. Wow,
a lot of rounds that were spinning that you know
Colt spin in And let's face it, five to five
six ring now is not an inexpensive cartridge. But people
(13:29):
don't see. And even handguns, every handguns test FI sure.
I tell people, well, there's no such thing as an
onfired guns, but every manufacturer fires your guns usually before
they go out the door.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
That's a good point. People go, oh, I don't want
to I don't want to shoot this gun like it
was already shot. Guys, yeah, probably every single manufacturer. And
the other part is, and I've seen it and I
know you've seen it when they're testing the guns. For
those listening who think this will be so much fun, Listen,
they are getting through You're talking about thirty rounds of
(14:01):
an AR. They're literally pointing it down range or pointing
it into a bullet trap or whatever, and they are shooting.
They're pulling the trigger thirty times as fast as possible generally, right,
I don't know if that's how you guys do it.
But we will take it.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
So we have one hundred yard tubes and there's a target.
So the first thing to do they do target it
make sure that has to shoot certain group size before
the chassis, and then that's usually ten rounds and then
they'd shoot the other. Like you said, they boom boom,
boom boom. Now, the rifles during arrest, when I was
doing all our testing, we weren't allowed to do that.
(14:34):
The rifles had to be shot. Everything had to be
shot freehand, really because engineering felt that if you fixed
a handgun or a rifle or something, it reacted different
than a person with the give and everything. And we
were testing for reliability with the human factor, and we
got a better feel for the gun. You know, I
(14:55):
had two helpers shooting two but yeah, you got a
good few for the gun. All right, But the worst
part is loading magazine.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
See that was my next question because I'm going, oh
my god, we're talking eighteen thousand rounds of five five
six a day, six hundred times thirty.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Rush strip or clips of your thing. I'm talking about
R and D. We were loading you know a lot
like gun. Oh yeah, magal you know magalou Yeah, but
still yeah, that's where you take a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Oh my gosh, yeah, loading all the mags. Yeah dude, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
You could hire somebody to do that all day long.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
No kidding, Oh my gosh. What do people not maybe
you appreciate or understand about gun design.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
The biggest thing about gun design that I have found
is you have to take your Number one is you
have to take your personal likes out of the mix,
cause you got to design a gun for the masses.
What I when I take my nineteen eleven, I put
a certain thumb safety on her grip safety or set
of grips. That's to my preference. But it doesn't mean
that you're gonna like the same things that I do.
(16:03):
And everything has to work, you know, when you start
talking about stackable tolerances where you have a certain amount
of tolerance from the slit and slide to the frame
to the barrel, loves it so much goes into that
and testing to see how everything works. But ken it,
you know, work in one hundred percent of the time.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
A gun has to work.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, and I still say people, you know everybody wants
to really tight nineteen eleven. Well, John Brian didn't desire
it that way he designs, so it would lock up
every time. And if you tell me it has to
be that way, then how's a glock shoot a nice group?
How does a Barrettishoe night group? They're not a super
(16:45):
tight gun. It's just that everything locks up the same
when it goes into battery. Yeah, and if you take
my match guns minor just production guns, so minor are
kind of loose that they lock up. And don't get
me wrong, you know, all I have to do is
hitting a circle at twenty five yards and I'm good.
But my bruns will shoot consistently two and a half
inches three inches at twenty five yards. That to me
(17:09):
is a pretty accurate gun.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, absolutely, probably more accurate than a lot of people can.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Shoot right correct. Yeah, Well, it's funny. That's one of
the things my gun shooting, you know, low left or
high right. Let a friend shoot and see what you know,
just I was just having somebody else shoot to see
if if the acts the same way, it might not
be the gun just might be a flinch or the
way you see the sites Compared to me, you know,
(17:34):
I'm cross eye dominant, so my sites are gonna be
a little different than if yours. If your right hand,
right eye dominant might are said a little bit different
because I'm coming across my body with my sight's my
end gun.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Wait a minute, you're saying that some people aren't great shooters.
What are you saying, Mark, You're saying that I that
might have Maybe it's me, it's not the gun.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, We've had this discussion before.
You know, good training, fundamentals, fundamentals, fundamental. I'm a firm
believer in fundamentals. You know what you see on YouTube
(18:18):
isn't always true.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Wait a minute, now, he's just bursting everybody's bubble.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
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Mark Colt has an amazing history some iconic guns over
the years. Are there are there any that you've run
(19:28):
across while you've been working there that we're kind of like, Wow,
this is a special gun. This is kind of a
memorable gun that they still have there. Yeah, anything that
you've run across, whether it's there or not. I know,
there's some.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Cool stuff I could tell you that's held in my hands.
Them four with the serial number one million really and
that's m fours that go to the military and foreign polity.
That was a civilian one.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
One million of those. You know, there's there's a lot
of guns in the Engineering Vault from things that we've
done in the past and we worked on. Yeah, it's
funny for me personally, a lot of it. Just about
every gun that I either come down here and shot
videos for or pro tips I buy from Colt just
(20:21):
because it's one that I used, Don Cameron, It means
nothing to anybody else, Yeah, but me. Probably my most
memorable one right now is I have one of the
first six prototype anacondas, no kidding. And they were actually
made from billet steel. They weren't made from forges or anything.
They that was steel and they were machine one in
(20:44):
the model show, one steel block and then well part
was steeeah and you know photos of the whole process.
But I have one of those because I did all
the endurance testing on the guns and that that was
something that the debt has gave me as a to prepare.
It's amazing risk. But yeah, that's pretty special to me.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
What's the barrelngth on that?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
That was four and a quarter? Okay, okay, yep, very cool.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, there's something about the cult snake guns that people love.
What is it? What's the secret sauce? What do you
think it is? That why people just love those guns
so much.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I think when they stopped making them is when everybody
said I gotta have one.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, it's the same with single action army.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Everybody wants one. Well that I can see because it's
the iconic cowboy gun. The Westerns. We all go back
to the Westerns and everything, and and I'm guilty of it.
I had to have a nineteen oh three pocket pistol
because when I was growing up, you're watching the black
and white detective shows, and that's what the good guys
in the bad guys all had in their coat pockets.
Was that look. I said, I gotta have one. I
(21:47):
finally found one. Yeah, and I'm happy, but yeah, it's uh.
The snake guns just have a following. To be honest
with you. When we reintroduced the Pytha, I knew that
was gonna be something big, but yeah, all of them
were well received.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
We have an original or I don't know, a python
from I guess that. I guess probably the seventies or
something like that. And when you pick it up, everything
about it is smooth. I mean, opening the cylinder is smooth,
closed the cylinder. Of course, the trigger is phenomenal, even
if you're not like a revolver guy. But I mean,
(22:28):
I remember the first time that I got to kind
of play with that gun and feel the controls I do.
I'm going, gosh, this is slick. It was just special.
It had a special feel to it.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Unique just when you pull the hammer back to walk
into single action, how it comes back and just kind
of clicks into place, and it's just and like you said,
thumb latch just lies back. And yeah, I mean a
Python was a work of art as well as function.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
But yeah, it was kind of surprised that didn't seem
like it would be. It seems like it would be
hard to manufacture. Kind of surprised when you guys brought
it back and it was just as good or better
than what it had been.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
But don't forget. Now you have all new machinery to
do a lot of this stuff on. So it's it's
more of the programming now to create what you're creating
versus that gout anew every little movement of that bridge
port or lathe that it was doing to make it.
So I'm glad they did. I know a lot of
(23:35):
people that own original ones, but they built a new one.
So now they can shoot a Python without ruining the
value of the original one. Yeah, but even the ana
kinda came back out that that was improved too. They
had a lot better trigger because they had the same
trigger mechanism as a new Python. The original ones had
a coil spring which would stack towards the end.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeap.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
The little Cobra is a nice gun. The Little twenty
ten shot twenty two is a great gun.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Oh, it's great. It's great, Probably one of the best
styles of gun to introduce anyone to shooting with. Yep,
it's the trigger is. You can run it in double action. Fine,
obviously single actions fun.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
As hack, but it's small enough so a young person's
hand fits it will Yeah, you know if you tried
to do that on a Python frame or someone that
the grip is just too big and a trigger reaches
too long, that that gun just fit that for young
shooters coming up and learning how to shoot.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, especially learning how to run a revolver, which honestly
everybody should learn. I mean, I know that the plastic
fantastics are are kind of the probably the most popular
type of handgun being sold. But it was just something
about knowing how It's like knowing how to run a
stick shift, it's like knowing how to run a revolver.
(24:51):
Being able to pick up these guns and shoot them well.
And perhaps I'm biased because I just I grew up
that way with shooting a lot of different types of stuff.
But and I think also you have people kind of
going back to, you know, the analog thing of really
running the gun, and you know, it's just a different
feel altogether.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I think a lot of people become better shooters if
they master a revolver just because they learn that trigger.
I call it a stroke. It's not even a trigger pull.
You're rolling through that trigger. And that equates much better
with the plastic you know, the clock triggers and the
XD triggers there or more of a long, deliberate pull,
(25:31):
and they do become better shooters. A firm believer in that.
And yeah, do I like going down and shooting the
revolver as well? For sure? Sure they are accurate, fun
you pull it out and some people, you know, do
I feel undergun if I had one to carry?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
No, No, not at all all. Right, As we as
we wrap up and get ready to land the plane,
Mark tell me favorite configure as favorite calibers, just kind
of favorites. When they say, you know, Mark, what do
you like?
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I truly like the forty five ACP round. The nineteen
eleven was built around that cartridge. I like it. It's
more of a push to me, than a snap like
a nine millimeter. I do have a couple of nine
milimeters right to eleventh. For competition, I run a five
inch all steel gun. Actually mine is even an eighty
series gun, not a seventy series. And my favorite carry
(26:30):
gun is the Combat Unit CCL, the Cold Conceal Officer,
which is the officer frame with a commander slideh. I
find the shorter grip was you need to conceal. I
still carry a strong side hip. I'm not into the
appeng just carry yet, but that having that commander slide
on there a it's total reliability over that short three
(26:53):
inch barrel and that is my favorite carry gun. Hyah.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Get a little bit more sight radius at it as well. Yeah,
absolutely very cool. Well, Mark Retl, it's always fun having
you here man, thanks for being on gun Talk Nation.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Thanks for having me down. I love this place all right.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
We'll see you guys next time on Guntagnation
I think a lot of people become better shooters if
they master a revolver, just because they learn that trigger.
I call it a stroke. It's not even a trigger pull.
You're rolling through that trigger, and that equates much better
with the plastic you know, the glock triggers and the
XD triggers. There are more of a long, deliberate pull,
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and they do become better shooters. A firm believer in that.
And do I feel undergun if I had one to carry?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
No. I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is guntognation. Guntognation
is brought to you by Range Ready, FN, Silence are
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Central and Arcan Firearms. Hey, welcome to Guntognation today. You guntogny.
Mark Reddell, pro shooter, guy who's been with Cult Farms
for a long time, Right, how long.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Shooting for them? Nineteen years? Okay, working full time eleven years.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Every says, oh, it's a dream job. You get to
work at a gun company and you've done it feels
like you've done a little bit of everything there.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I have. I've had a full career there. I suppose
I could say started down a product management. Paul's batality
brought me in to revamp the nineteen eleven line. When
we got done that doing the changes we wanted to
do to that, there was an opening for a law
enforcement national sales manager and they asked me to do
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that because I knew the guns, and that position took
somebody could talk about the products and everything. I loved
the job. I did that for six years. I met
some wonderful people in law enforcement. I just really loved
doing it. And then when the cz CULT merger happened,
all testing was going to be done at Colt for
(02:02):
all for cz USA and Engineering asked me to come
over and I actually led the R and D testing
part of it.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Also, well, you've been a a competitive shooter for a
long time, and I think competitive shooters inherently ended up
being somewhere between hobbyist gunsmiths and almost pro gunsmiths because
you're having to work on your own guns, right, So,
I mean you end up being a tinker of guns
and figuring out what works and what doesn't and all that.
I imagine when you're working in testing shooting thousands and thousands
(02:35):
of rounds, you learn a lot about guns.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
You do. The first thing that I would report back
is if had the gun felt in my hand. We
all have picked up guns and they look great, and
then you shoot them and I'll have a what I
call a hotspot, a spot that oh, okay, hurts you
to shoot in recoil. Yeah, you can drop the best gun,
but to your shoot and had to recoil. But I
(03:00):
learned so much about metallurgy, different formulasm metal, what they
can and what they can't do for longevity. And we
do a lot of testing a coal, a lot of
testing a coal, especially on the military cyclest. The government's
always having us do testing to confirm that certain parts
(03:20):
are lasting what they have determined they need to last.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
I've always thought that when a company wins a military
part in the world of guns, what consumers maybe need
to appreciate a little bit if they don't know, is
the amount of testing that's required forgetting that military contract.
I mean it's millions of rounds. Whether you win the
(03:45):
contract for a magazine or an optic or a gun
or whatever. It is like it's kind of like that,
you know, the consumer I think can benefit from it
because the company was kind of not that you don't
do testing, but you're kind of forced to do a
lot of tests to satisfy military contracts, right, correct.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
A couple things the public that don't understand about military
contracts also is number one, when you receive it. Everybody
used to always complain Cole doesn't give a crap about
the commercial market. Well, no, when you get that military contract,
a government contract, that's priority. Even all your vendors are notified.
Supplying us to parts our priority. So yeah, if there's
(04:30):
in order for fifty thousand rifles and you produce so
many a day, well, yeah, commercial line is going to
get hurt a little bit because we have to fulfill
that contract by law, by law.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Now on the other side of it, the testing that
you were talking about. Yes, but when you look at
our guns that we sell to the commercial market, they're robust,
last forever. I used to tell people, you know, that
slide and frame that you got on your nineteen eleven,
that's the same material we made for the Marine Corps
(05:01):
pistol when we were doing it. That I had a
last twenty thousand rounds, thirty thousand rounds a military ball. Yeah,
I personally own a gun. I have one hundred and
eighty five thousand rounds through it. Then I'll still run.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Wow, one hundred and eighty five thousand rounds.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I replaced the barrel. I shot the barrel to a
smooth board barrel.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Really, I mean, this is the funny part. Most people
will never get there, and they'll talk about, you know,
shooting a barrel out or whatever. Usually we're talking about rifles,
but you're talking about a pistol rights.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Forty five ACP, which is not a violent round by
any means.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
But no, it is possible to shoot the lands and
grooves out of a barrel.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yeah, I wonder why I was getting flyers. That's why
I was getting flyers.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah, but it's a musket.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Fit in Oh and you know the link on the
BOTB was all stretched and oblong, no kidding, gun still ran,
just didn't group well. But I put out the barrel
link and everything in it. But it's maintenance. It's like
your car. You can get five hundred thousand miles out
of your cart if you maintain it properly.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
All right, since you brought it up, drop some pro
tips as a guy who's tested guns and shot competitively,
because they go, oh, the gun broke well, like, well, yeah,
there are certain parts that you should change. And I
think we know more about cars than we do about guns.
It's like, well, you know every three to five thousand miles,
and you change the oil every you know, thirty or
(06:24):
forty thousand miles, and you change the tires, and these
are like kind of common knowledge things. But on a
pistol there are parts that are where parts that you
need to update and change. Are there some that are
like your top.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Three or four recoil springs. Recoil springs take a set.
They will the rifles too. One. In our armor classes,
we teach you measure to spring length. If it's below
a certain point that that spring has to be replaced.
Course it has collapse to a certain point, and now
the gun's not recoiling and functioning properly.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
So would that be a case of when you get
a new gun, maybe like measure the recoil spring and
make a note of it. You can.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Most manufacturers do have something, I don't know how well publicized,
but I could tell you, like on a five inch
government model you should change ther recoil spring every seven
thousand rounds. Okay, there is that. They're actually best practices
with that. Yeah, well a commander, I'm gonna do it.
At five thousand. The shorter slide, the more frequently you
got to change your recoil spring because the slide acts
(07:27):
with a lot more velocity and violently. Go. You know,
you got to stroke this long versus this long. It's
gonna beat that spring up. The other one that a
lot of people don't understand is, to me, a magazine
is a disposable item.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
OKAYO.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Magazines will wear out springs. Do you can change the springs,
But the feed lamp, feed lips, yeah, will start to
wear and spread and everything, and you'll start to get
malfunctions with them. Now me personally, I have a set
of magazines from a carry gun that I know they
run one hundred percent and that's all. I have a
(08:01):
set of match ones to take the matches when my
competition gone, But then I have practice ones to get
beat to death.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Do you label them all?
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I label them all, and I number them.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
And we did the same thing at testing. We numbered
every magazine that we did testing in. So we started
to get malfunctions in a test gun. If it's the
same magazine two or three times, we eliminate that magazine
or replace it with another one to continue to test,
because is it the gun? You know, in testing you
always change one variable at a time because you want
(08:33):
to know if that's what was the cause was to
the problem.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It's so true like people say, oh, this gun is jamming,
or this gun is having a feeding issue or whatever. Well,
maybe it's a magazine issue. I mean maybe if you
numbered your magazines, you know it's always that damn number
three magazine that is the issue. And I was actually
at a self defense pistol class one time and this
guy kept having this happen with this matter. I think
(08:59):
there's something we with this mag And the instructor goes, oh,
I can fix that. Let me see it. And he
looked at the mag and he looked at it real hard,
and then he took it and he threw it over
the berm. He goes, I fixed it for you. Now
get another run mags that work.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Yeah, well yeah, cheap mags or cheap mags for a reason.
But it's a stamp steal apart. They do have certain
tolerances and everything, but they will wear is it the magazine?
And another thing you brought up my gun jams? Oh
my god, somebody tells me that there's like four or
five things that can cause it, right where you almost
have to have that person there and shoot it so
(09:35):
he can I could see what it's doing, because is
it a failure to feed, failure to extract? Is it
nose diving into the frame of the gun. There's there's
so many different things, but there's different things that can close.
And you'll start to get malfunctions with a weak recoil
spring too. Sure, sure get them.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Yeah it is, but the gun seems to take the
blame a lot of times. It's not the AMMO or
the magazine or something else right, right, So I was like, oh,
this gun, this gun jams this gun, and like, well,
you know, the gun guys are probably like, wait a minute,
it's not our gun. Let's hold on a second. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Yeah, Well, I've been at matches and people single stack
guns and they're jamming. I'll give them some of my
mags here, just just try my mags. Even so, and
nine out of ten times will or you look at
the AMO, they're running, like you say, Dylan, most the
greatest thing that ever happened to reloaders and probably one
of the worst thing that ever happened to reloaders, because
(10:28):
if you don't do it right, you'll get malfunctions from reloads.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah, and especially on nineteen eleven. There's a difference between
really good mags and just sort of the whatever mags
and actually running a really good mag can't make the
gun run perfectly and very reliable. It can. It can
take a gun who you think is like, I'm not
sure if this gun's running reliably, and all of a
sudden it's running like a top yep. Yeah, man, we'll
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So how many rounds do you think you've shot in
testing over the years?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Oh, in testing or practicing?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Well, I guess all of it.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Do you have any idea over a million?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Over a million rounds? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
It was funny because we were having this discussion about
they've asked me to talk a little bit about some
product at Colt, and of course, you know, not the
amount that engineers but want a couple of them. So
you're not an engineer, so I know. But nobody has
more rounds behind a nineteen eleven Colt right now than
probably me. And so before I shot for Colt, I
(12:42):
was doing my own stuff, but less nineteen years. Fifty
thousand rounds a year, yeah, U and fifty thousand that's
that including how many you shoot, you know, average two
thousand a day in testing, five days a week for
a couple of years. Yeah. People don't understand that. Think
about every Colt rifle that we manufacture. If a civilian
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rifle gets test fire thirty rounds before it goes through
the door, okay, you built six hundred a day times thirty. Wow,
a lot of rounds that were spinning that you know
Colt spin in And let's face it, five to five
six ring now is not an inexpensive cartridge. But people
(13:29):
don't see. And even handguns, every handguns test FI sure.
I tell people, well, there's no such thing as an
onfired guns, but every manufacturer fires your guns usually before
they go out the door.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
That's a good point. People go, oh, I don't want
to I don't want to shoot this gun like it
was already shot. Guys, yeah, probably every single manufacturer. And
the other part is, and I've seen it and I
know you've seen it when they're testing the guns. For
those listening who think this will be so much fun, Listen,
they are getting through You're talking about thirty rounds of
(14:01):
an AR. They're literally pointing it down range or pointing
it into a bullet trap or whatever, and they are shooting.
They're pulling the trigger thirty times as fast as possible generally, right,
I don't know if that's how you guys do it.
But we will take it.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
So we have one hundred yard tubes and there's a target.
So the first thing to do they do target it
make sure that has to shoot certain group size before
the chassis, and then that's usually ten rounds and then
they'd shoot the other. Like you said, they boom boom,
boom boom. Now, the rifles during arrest, when I was
doing all our testing, we weren't allowed to do that.
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The rifles had to be shot. Everything had to be
shot freehand, really because engineering felt that if you fixed
a handgun or a rifle or something, it reacted different
than a person with the give and everything. And we
were testing for reliability with the human factor, and we
got a better feel for the gun. You know, I
(14:55):
had two helpers shooting two but yeah, you got a
good few for the gun. All right, But the worst
part is loading magazine.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
See that was my next question because I'm going, oh
my god, we're talking eighteen thousand rounds of five five
six a day, six hundred times thirty.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Rush strip or clips of your thing. I'm talking about
R and D. We were loading you know a lot
like gun. Oh yeah, magal you know magalou Yeah, but
still yeah, that's where you take a lot of time.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Oh my gosh, yeah, loading all the mags. Yeah dude, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
You could hire somebody to do that all day long.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
No kidding, Oh my gosh. What do people not maybe
you appreciate or understand about gun design.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
The biggest thing about gun design that I have found
is you have to take your Number one is you
have to take your personal likes out of the mix,
cause you got to design a gun for the masses.
What I when I take my nineteen eleven, I put
a certain thumb safety on her grip safety or set
of grips. That's to my preference. But it doesn't mean
that you're gonna like the same things that I do.
(16:03):
And everything has to work, you know, when you start
talking about stackable tolerances where you have a certain amount
of tolerance from the slit and slide to the frame
to the barrel, loves it so much goes into that
and testing to see how everything works. But ken it,
you know, work in one hundred percent of the time.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
A gun has to work.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yeah, and I still say people, you know everybody wants
to really tight nineteen eleven. Well, John Brian didn't desire
it that way he designs, so it would lock up
every time. And if you tell me it has to
be that way, then how's a glock shoot a nice group?
How does a Barrettishoe night group? They're not a super
(16:45):
tight gun. It's just that everything locks up the same
when it goes into battery. Yeah, and if you take
my match guns minor just production guns, so minor are
kind of loose that they lock up. And don't get
me wrong, you know, all I have to do is
hitting a circle at twenty five yards and I'm good.
But my bruns will shoot consistently two and a half
inches three inches at twenty five yards. That to me
(17:09):
is a pretty accurate gun.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Yeah, absolutely, probably more accurate than a lot of people can.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Shoot right correct. Yeah, Well, it's funny. That's one of
the things my gun shooting, you know, low left or
high right. Let a friend shoot and see what you know,
just I was just having somebody else shoot to see
if if the acts the same way, it might not
be the gun just might be a flinch or the
way you see the sites Compared to me, you know,
(17:34):
I'm cross eye dominant, so my sites are gonna be
a little different than if yours. If your right hand,
right eye dominant might are said a little bit different
because I'm coming across my body with my sight's my
end gun.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Wait a minute, you're saying that some people aren't great shooters.
What are you saying, Mark, You're saying that I that
might have Maybe it's me, it's not the gun.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, We've had this discussion before.
You know, good training, fundamentals, fundamentals, fundamental. I'm a firm
believer in fundamentals. You know what you see on YouTube
(18:18):
isn't always true.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Wait a minute, now, he's just bursting everybody's bubble.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
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Mark Colt has an amazing history some iconic guns over
the years. Are there are there any that you've run
(19:28):
across while you've been working there that we're kind of like, Wow,
this is a special gun. This is kind of a
memorable gun that they still have there. Yeah, anything that
you've run across, whether it's there or not. I know,
there's some.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Cool stuff I could tell you that's held in my hands.
Them four with the serial number one million really and
that's m fours that go to the military and foreign polity.
That was a civilian one.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
One million of those. You know, there's there's a lot
of guns in the Engineering Vault from things that we've
done in the past and we worked on. Yeah, it's
funny for me personally, a lot of it. Just about
every gun that I either come down here and shot
videos for or pro tips I buy from Colt just
(20:21):
because it's one that I used, Don Cameron, It means
nothing to anybody else, Yeah, but me. Probably my most
memorable one right now is I have one of the
first six prototype anacondas, no kidding. And they were actually
made from billet steel. They weren't made from forges or anything.
They that was steel and they were machine one in
(20:44):
the model show, one steel block and then well part
was steeeah and you know photos of the whole process.
But I have one of those because I did all
the endurance testing on the guns and that that was
something that the debt has gave me as a to prepare.
It's amazing risk. But yeah, that's pretty special to me.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
What's the barrelngth on that?
Speaker 1 (21:05):
That was four and a quarter? Okay, okay, yep, very cool.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, there's something about the cult snake guns that people love.
What is it? What's the secret sauce? What do you
think it is? That why people just love those guns
so much.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I think when they stopped making them is when everybody
said I gotta have one.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah, it's the same with single action army.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Everybody wants one. Well that I can see because it's
the iconic cowboy gun. The Westerns. We all go back
to the Westerns and everything, and and I'm guilty of it.
I had to have a nineteen oh three pocket pistol
because when I was growing up, you're watching the black
and white detective shows, and that's what the good guys
in the bad guys all had in their coat pockets.
Was that look. I said, I gotta have one. I
(21:47):
finally found one. Yeah, and I'm happy, but yeah, it's uh.
The snake guns just have a following. To be honest
with you. When we reintroduced the Pytha, I knew that
was gonna be something big, but yeah, all of them
were well received.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
We have an original or I don't know, a python
from I guess that. I guess probably the seventies or
something like that. And when you pick it up, everything
about it is smooth. I mean, opening the cylinder is smooth,
closed the cylinder. Of course, the trigger is phenomenal, even
if you're not like a revolver guy. But I mean,
(22:28):
I remember the first time that I got to kind
of play with that gun and feel the controls I do.
I'm going, gosh, this is slick. It was just special.
It had a special feel to it.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Unique just when you pull the hammer back to walk
into single action, how it comes back and just kind
of clicks into place, and it's just and like you said,
thumb latch just lies back. And yeah, I mean a
Python was a work of art as well as function.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
But yeah, it was kind of surprised that didn't seem
like it would be. It seems like it would be
hard to manufacture. Kind of surprised when you guys brought
it back and it was just as good or better
than what it had been.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
But don't forget. Now you have all new machinery to
do a lot of this stuff on. So it's it's
more of the programming now to create what you're creating
versus that gout anew every little movement of that bridge
port or lathe that it was doing to make it.
So I'm glad they did. I know a lot of
(23:35):
people that own original ones, but they built a new one.
So now they can shoot a Python without ruining the
value of the original one. Yeah, but even the ana
kinda came back out that that was improved too. They
had a lot better trigger because they had the same
trigger mechanism as a new Python. The original ones had
a coil spring which would stack towards the end.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Yeap.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
The little Cobra is a nice gun. The Little twenty
ten shot twenty two is a great gun.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Oh, it's great. It's great, Probably one of the best
styles of gun to introduce anyone to shooting with. Yep,
it's the trigger is. You can run it in double action. Fine,
obviously single actions fun.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
As hack, but it's small enough so a young person's
hand fits it will Yeah, you know if you tried
to do that on a Python frame or someone that
the grip is just too big and a trigger reaches
too long, that that gun just fit that for young
shooters coming up and learning how to shoot.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Yeah, especially learning how to run a revolver, which honestly
everybody should learn. I mean, I know that the plastic
fantastics are are kind of the probably the most popular
type of handgun being sold. But it was just something
about knowing how It's like knowing how to run a
stick shift, it's like knowing how to run a revolver.
(24:51):
Being able to pick up these guns and shoot them well.
And perhaps I'm biased because I just I grew up
that way with shooting a lot of different types of stuff.
But and I think also you have people kind of
going back to, you know, the analog thing of really
running the gun, and you know, it's just a different
feel altogether.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
I think a lot of people become better shooters if
they master a revolver just because they learn that trigger.
I call it a stroke. It's not even a trigger pull.
You're rolling through that trigger. And that equates much better
with the plastic you know, the clock triggers and the
XD triggers there or more of a long, deliberate pull,
(25:31):
and they do become better shooters. A firm believer in that.
And yeah, do I like going down and shooting the
revolver as well? For sure? Sure they are accurate, fun
you pull it out and some people, you know, do
I feel undergun if I had one to carry?
Speaker 2 (25:51):
No, No, not at all all. Right, As we as
we wrap up and get ready to land the plane,
Mark tell me favorite configure as favorite calibers, just kind
of favorites. When they say, you know, Mark, what do
you like?
Speaker 1 (26:08):
I truly like the forty five ACP round. The nineteen
eleven was built around that cartridge. I like it. It's
more of a push to me, than a snap like
a nine millimeter. I do have a couple of nine
milimeters right to eleventh. For competition, I run a five
inch all steel gun. Actually mine is even an eighty
series gun, not a seventy series. And my favorite carry
(26:30):
gun is the Combat Unit CCL, the Cold Conceal Officer,
which is the officer frame with a commander slideh. I
find the shorter grip was you need to conceal. I
still carry a strong side hip. I'm not into the
appeng just carry yet, but that having that commander slide
on there a it's total reliability over that short three
(26:53):
inch barrel and that is my favorite carry gun. Hyah.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Get a little bit more sight radius at it as well. Yeah,
absolutely very cool. Well, Mark Retl, it's always fun having
you here man, thanks for being on gun Talk Nation.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Thanks for having me down. I love this place all right.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
We'll see you guys next time on Guntagnation
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