May 17, 2026 • 43 mins
Joe Kurtenbach from Banish Suppressors discusses the benefits of training with suppression.
RJ Contomo from Savage covers the importance of fitting youth with the proper size firearms,
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RJ Contomo from Savage covers the importance of fitting youth with the proper size firearms,
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our our Gun Talk headquarters and we call it range
Ready range Ready Studios where we run events and classes
and stuff like that, and we have an event going
on right now called Plinka Palooza. Plinka Palooza is a
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media event centered around rimfires. So in twenty two's seventeen
HMR but mostly twenty twos and all those fun guns
that we start out shooting, and then we moved to
the big big stuff, and then you always come back
around to shooting the low recoil, low noise, fun guns
that we never fell out of love with, but we
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just maybe forgot because it was in the back of
the safe. And my guest right now with me is
Joe Curtinbak Joe with banished suppressors and also silence for
central Joe. What is it about rim fires that people
love so much?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Yeah, I mean no bark, no bite, right, I mean,
there's no report, there's no recoil, super fun, inexpensive, the
coolest platforms pretty much the most fun you can have
on the range, and uh you know, places like range
Ready and others that can even then turn it into
an event where you have some fun games. I mean
(02:59):
this recreational shooting. Of course, you can hunt small game
with twenty two's, you know, and but it's fun, man,
it's fun.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
You can punch the paper.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
But I mean the amount of like interactive targets and
stuff designed for rim fire rounds, and then the fact
that they absolutely do not beat you up. I mean,
it is just it's super fun. Yeah, So rimfire is
always a strong place in my heart.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
It's where a lot of us start out for the
most part, and then we figured out and then when
we're a kid, you're whatever. You're ten, you're twelve.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
You're thirteen.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Then you're like, dad, I want to shoot the big
deer rifle. I want to shoot the big shotgun, and
you want to get bigger because that's what the grown
ups do and it's a natural progression. But then that's
what I was saying to the intro, we kind of
come back to it and honestly, how much can shooting
rim fires help your shooting?
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Well, I mean, you hit it on the head.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
In fact, I just had my ten year old son
out for deer season this year, and you know it,
it was pretty tough to catch a deer while he's
hanging out the blinde and singing and dancing. But he
was having a great time, so I wasn't gonna stop
a single thing that was happening.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
But what we did after that, though, is.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Then we went over to the range and we were
shooting the twenty two Suppress twenty two. And the great
thing about that, especially with new shooters, young shooters, is
with no report, no recoil, you can focus on the
firearms handling, this safe handling, teaching them the fundamentals of
gun safety and marksmanship in an environment and with a
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platform that is not going to distract.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Them in any way.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
So really the best teaching platform out there, I think
is a suppressed room fire.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And honestly, even for grownups, right you kind of you're
having problems, you're missing dear, or you're getting ready for
a match or whatever it is, whether it's pistol or rifle,
going back to rim fire can kind of bring you
back to the basics and maybe like drop some bad habits.
I mean I felt it when I've look. If you
say you don't flinch, you're a big fat liar. Everyone
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can flinch, everyone can jerk or push into the gun
or whatever it is. When you're used to shooting big
rifles or even handguns that have comps on it or whatever,
that not only the recoil, the physical recoil, but also
the blasts, the muzzle blast, so the report it'll mess
with you. Yeah, and when you get those yips going
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back to rim fire, yes, it really can just kind
of settle you in and go, oh, yeah, I just
need to put the sites on the target. And press
the trigger without disturbing that site picture get back to
It's easier to do that with room fire.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Yeah, and then I think, you know, we.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Always talk about suppressors suppressing the noise the recoil, but
I think they amplify the benefits of rim fire platforms
because you are even further taking away any report, any recoil.
And so yeah, you can really focus on that trigger press,
safe handling, your site alignment, all of those fundamental skills
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that you need to be successful on basically every other
fire arm plat there is.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Okay, you said I wanted to get into this so
band of suppressors. I've heard a lot of people say it.
I probably said it. If you're going to go buy
a silence or a suppressor, A twenty two is a
great place to start. What is it about? Because you
kind of said it, but like, Okay, there's not a
lot of recoil, there's not a lot of noise in rimfire.
(06:21):
But I don't know the stats. Maybe you do. Technically
you're still supposed to wear hearing protection in an unsuppressed
twenty two.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Right, Yeah, so you're with a unsuppressed twenty two, you're
still getting into that one hundred and thirty one hundred
and forty plus decibels, which per Osha for that impact sound,
that's still kind of above the hearing safe level. You're
really trying to get below one hundred and forty for shooting,
and when you add the suppressor for most rim fires
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you bring it down to like one hundred and twenty
or less. If you start using subsonic rimfire AMMO with
a suppressor, you're it's like one hundred and ten decibels.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
So I mean you're getting really really quiet at that point.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah, which again one less distraction when you're trying to
learn to shoot.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, that's a great point. You got banish suppressors, you've
got silence for central. We're going to talk about what's
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Speaker 2 (10:01):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. One of the hottest
categories in the world of guns are silencers suppressors. They're
fast to get, they're easier to get now they're actually
less money to get. You don't have the two hundred
dollars tax stamp to mess with anymore. And we're here
with Joe Kirkbob from Banished Suppressors and also Silencer Central.
You guys are bringing out new suppressors. A lot of
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things happening in the world of suppressor manufacturing and technology
talk about some of the new stuff from you guys.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I mean, so we're seeing a ton of especially with
the tax stamp going away, a ton of new suppressor
models coming out here, and you know, Banish has really
been at the forefront of that, even pre twenty twenty six.
You know, when we talk about three D printing for example,
or additive manufacturing, you know, for us, it really started
actually about three or four years ago when we teamed
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up with Federal to.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Create the SPEEDCA suppressor.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
That was a suppressor really designed for law enforcement, for
like patrol car beings, a two two three caliber suppressor
with controlled flow technology so that the users aren't eating.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
The gas as the bolt reciprocates.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
And as well, they want to in the most compact
platform possible, so that it would fit in the trunk
or in like CQB environments, it would be ideally suited
for that. And that was a three D printed can
our first, and we did it in both incannel and titanium.
Fast forward, we've done things like the nine K again
additive manufactured titanium, and that one is a nine to
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milimeters suppressor that's so light that you don't need a
piston or a booster to make it run on a
semi automatic handgun. Continuing on, we had the Banish five
to five six again additive manufactured incannel for that one,
kind of a.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Our best.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Full auto rated, absolutely indestructible five to five to six suppressor,
and that one really came out of requirements for good
sound reduction, excellent flash reduction, and of course recoil mitigation,
controlled flow technology.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
But we're able to.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Do things with additive manufacturing like create really sophisticated chambers
and baffles and even vents to achieve some of those
goals in ways that we couldn't before. But there's also
a place for more traditional manufacturing.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Of course, we still have.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
All throughout the Banished lineup, you know, really tradition kind
of tube and baffle designs with baffle stacks primarily titanium
from Banish. That's what we're best known for is lighter weight,
premium performance hunting suppressors, and so we like to keep
the weight light.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
But what's really exciting for.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Us and is brand new, is we just launched our
new stainless steel series. So this is reacting the market
demand as it's kind of opened up. We want to
make sure that suppressors are accessible to everybody, so whereas
you're going to get it's a little bit more defensive
to do things in titanium than stainless steel, so we're
able to bring the price down. And as well, we're
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looking at a fully welded manufacturing technology, so again a
a method that's been around for a bit, but it
is more cost effective, so we can create these stainless
steel cans. We've got the Hunt thirty and the Varmint
two two three, and these cans are just the same
excellent performance you would expect from Vanish, but at a
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lower price point because of the materials we're using and
the method of manufacturer.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
So talk about it, and you talked touched on it,
but help the listener understand when you talk about ink
and el versus titanium versus stainless they all have their
their advantages and disadvantages. Perhaps, Yeah, there's cost, there's sound,
there's durability, Yeah, there's weight compare those three Yeah, and even.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Aluminum when you're looking at at at some some of
the rim fire suppressors out there on the market too.
So yeah, it's always a like anything it's a compromise
between durability weight. Heat resistance becomes very important because not
all metals handle heat. That's why incannel, kind of an
exotic material is very popular in suppressor manufacturing. And that's
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because it is exceptionally heat resistant.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
It won't it won't kind.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Of become brittle or morph or break or anything like
that under extreme.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Dress, like ful auto fire.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
So each of those materials, you know, and there's also
a cost associated, right obviously, titanium and incannel a bit
more expensive. Titanium because it's so strong and so light.
That's kind of its key advantage. That's why we love
it for hunting suppressors, you know, and we can make
things like the nine K you know, that's only a
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couple ounces, you know, and it's and it's got you know,
a full set of baffles in there, being able to
bring nine millimeters down to hearing safe but in just
a couple of ounces. So really incredible with titanium incannal
for the heat resistance. But stainless steel is a great
material for suppressor design too because it is strong, because
it is heat resistant. The main drawback is the weight.
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But if you're talking about range day truck gun, ranch gun,
or your primary hunting is out of a deer stand.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
There, you don't need the weight.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Savings, and so what you can do now, especially with
our stainless steel series, is save a few bucks going
with a stainless steel model. Okay, get all the same
great performance, but at a lower price point.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Okay, that makes sense. What about maintenance on suppressors. I'm
sure that's a question you guys get all the time.
What do they need to clean it? Do they not
need to clean it? I mean, I know that that's
kind of one of those that depends thing, but you
know it help people when they're going what am I
supposed to do with that?
Speaker 6 (15:47):
No?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
This is this is another great question because we do
have several different types.
Speaker 10 (15:51):
Right.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
We have the traditional baffle stack where the baffles will
all come out and you can really clean it thoroughly
inside and out. And with rim fire, especially here at Plankapalooza,
it can get pretty filthy, you know, so being able
to maintain those is pretty important. The maintenance cycle really
stretches out quite as quite a bit as you get
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into center fire rifle cartridges. Not a lot of it
blows straight through you don't get nearly the build up
that you do, but some maintenance is still required. And actually,
so Banish Suppressors and Silencer Central we're really working hard
to put out content right now about how.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
To take care of those suppressors.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Because you can use some pretty traditional intuitive cleaning methods
with the suppressors that fully disassemble, but if it's a
sealed suppressor like an additive manufacturer, or a sealed and
welded can like the stainless steel ones, it's more of
a a You got to soak it a little bit differently,
and there are products out there that are really good
(16:50):
for doing this for you. You also have finished considerations,
like your internal baffles could go into an ultrasonic cleaner,
but you probably don't want your Sarah Coot finished suppressor
in the ultrasonic cleaner. Also, so one thing that Banished
Suppressors is also doing, and this is brand new from US,
is we've launched the Banish Advantage, which is actually a
(17:12):
really comprehensive maintenance and cleaning program for new banished owners.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
So you buy a new.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Suppressor and basically you get one free full service cleaning
and maintenance from US. So you reach out you register
your product, and if you've been shooting it for a year,
it's getting pretty filthy.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
You don't want to do the dirty work yourself.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
You call us up, you send it in, we'll do
a full inspection, disassemble to the degree possible, make sure
there's no unusual wear or damage. It'll get a full
cleaning inside and out. We'll researa code it if it
needs it, will replace.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Baffles if they need it.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
We'll replace O rings if it needs it, and we'll
ship it back to you. And so that's just one
more thing that Banishes doing to kind of simplify what
can be a little bit daunting, which is suppressor maintenance.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Is it is that something that they add on when
they buy a suppressor.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
That comes with every new Banished suppressor. So basically we
launched that program about a month ago. We haven't talked
about it as we were kind of spinning it up
and kind of making sure that the intake and maintenance
program on our side is kind of a soft launch,
but we're gonna be talking about a lot more because
it is something that Banish Suppressors is doing that nobody
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else is.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Just we'll do the dirty work for you.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
That's fantastic. I just you know, in my world, I
just if it gets dirty, we just send it back.
And you know said joke, can you send me.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
I lived in your world for a long time. I
appreciated it.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You know, I'm gonna get hate emails I can't stand.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Well no, So now we're making your world available to
everybody who buys Banished Suppressors.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
That's the old gun media guide joke is like what
I hear about this cleaning of guns?
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Yeah, yeah, that am buying Ammo. Right, that's people buy that.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Geez.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Your sister company is Silencer Central, And I mean I
think people at this point, you guys have been out
there and spread in the gospel. Silence are Central. I
mean you make it very streamlined and demystifying the process
of buying a silencer. But I think some people don't
know that you guys sell kind of almost every other
(19:22):
silencer company out there.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Right, Yeah, I mean that's been.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
A big push for us, is we are sister companies
Banished Suppressors and Silencer Central. But it's really important and
we've really changed our mentality a bit that you know,
when I put on my Silence or Central hat, Banish
is just another suppressor manufacturer.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Like we try and do a good job.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Working with gem Tech, Savage, Wilson, Combat Dead, Air Silencer Co.
All the big names out there putting out great products.
We want to be the best retailer possible on the
silence or central side, and so what we've done is
continue to streamline the process so that you know, if
you wanted to, right from that chair, you could order
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your suppressor and it'll be delivered to your door and
you don't ever have to get up or talk to anybody.
You know, We've really, we've really been able to make
it as simple as possible and continue to make suppressors
accessible because it is great for hearing safety, it is
great for the overall elevating that shooting experience by taking
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away the report and the recoil. And we were very
passionate about it. We want everybody shooting suppressed.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah. And the more people who are owning these, it
becomes in common use, which is a very key term
as far as you know your rights to own this stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Yeah, I mean, I think we don't talk enough about that,
but Banish suppressors it went through some.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Iterations before we were here today.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
But I mean our founder and CEO, Brandon Maddox, he
really started having the suppressors manufactured, you know, twenty years ago,
and one of our flagship models, the original Banish thirty,
we manufactured like one hundred.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Thousand of those.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Like, at what point do we hit common usage if
one model from one maker has one hundred thousand units
out there, Yeah, you know, I mean so I think
suppressor use is more widespread than some people may think,
but there is still a lot of room to grow
within the gun enthusiast community.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Well at this point, I mean, the honest truth for
everybody listening is we used to think of like I
need to buy this one suppressor and put it on
move it around on guns. And at this point, you
buy a suppressor for every gun, you cite it in,
you leave it on the gun. It's like a scope
on your rifle. It's done real quick. Joe, what's the
quietest setup of gun suppressor AMMO that you've ever shot?
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Yeah, so Subsonic twenty two AMMO and a bolt action
twenty two just about anyone but full rifle length, you know,
at least a sixteen inch barrel with a twenty two
supressor and Subsonic AMMO.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
That's the quietest.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
It's like stepping on a twig. It's just incredible. All right,
Joe kudn't bought from Vanish. Thanks for being with us.
We got more coming at Share more fun guests up
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Talk headquarters at Range Ready Studios, and we are running
an event right now called Plinka Palooza. We run these
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little special themed media events each year that we put
on based around a particular category. So we've done five
to seven fest We did Leverfests last year all about
lever actions, and this year it's Plinka Palooza, all about rimfires.
And so we have a variety of people on the
show today and up next a name in the world
(23:53):
of rimfires that you guys know probably own several of
their rimfire guns. Savage, Savage Arms.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
We've got our with us. RJ.
Speaker 11 (24:00):
Thanks for being with us, Thanks for having us down here.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Senior product manager, let's say that right, yes, for Savage.
So you are the guy that perhaps has you know,
seen the sausage being made, has perhaps made the sausage.
So I mean, Savage is one of those companies long history,
long history with rimfires, right, Yeah, how far does it
go back?
Speaker 11 (24:21):
So Savage goes eighteen ninety four. Savage as a company
didn't do a lot with rimfires until the Stevens brand
got absorbed into Savage. So twenty two LR really got
it start from Stevens back in the old you know,
everything was rimfire, you know, pre nineteen hundred and brought
you know, twenty two out. So we've had a long
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history with twenty two LR in particular and through the forties, fifties, sixties.
Like one of the first rifles I shot was at
twenty two LR marked Springfield, but.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
It was made by Savage.
Speaker 11 (24:53):
Okay, you know, so there's lots of history there and
we go to shows and lots of folks rifle ever
shot or my favorite dear gun. Everyone knows the ninety nine's,
but it's that the twenty two stuff, the rim fire
is really the Stevens roots that have come through today.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
That's a good point. I mean, millions of people have
taken their first shots with a gun, probably with a
Savage rim fire.
Speaker 11 (25:18):
Very good chance.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yep, you guys have one of the smallest rim fires
that I know that's down there, the Rascal, the Rascal. Yep.
Speaker 11 (25:26):
So that's a really neat story one of our at
the time, the engineering director had his ten year old son,
I want to say, as the kind of guinea pig
for this rifle, because there wasn't anything in the market
for younger shooters or smaller stature shooters. And so the
(25:47):
Rascal is a true miniature rifle. So still sixteen inch barrel,
so we've had all the legality stuff, but the action
is miniaturized and it still has a traditional two position safety.
It still has our ACU trigger, so it acts just
like the bigger rim fires or the center fires, just
in a smaller package.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah. I mean that's important because there are I mean,
you've heard of I've heard it. People go, man, I
want to start my kid. My kid wants to start shooting,
and they might be six or seven or eight years old,
and a lot of the rim fires that exist are
too big for them. Even some of the youth guns
are intended for a twelve or thirteen year old boy,
(26:29):
not an eight year old girl. Perhaps, correct.
Speaker 11 (26:31):
Yeah, when we talk length of poll is primarily that,
but it's also the weight of the rifle and the
barrel length. Going further out, the Rascal length of poll
is eleven inches or so. You know, a traditional youth
or compact for us on the center fire is twelve
and three quarters. So we're shaving inch inch and half
just on length of pole and in just the barrel
(26:54):
length is shorter, the profiles are a little bit shorter,
just a lighter weight gun to handle.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
And I'll say this, I mean having the gun fit.
I mean, everybody's seen that image of a kid trying
to hold a gun up and it's too heavy for them,
has too long a length of pull. They're leaning back
trying to hold it up. They're super uncomfortable. They're not
going to have as much fun. They're not going to
have as much success hitting the target. And I know
you buy the Rascal and it's not going to be
like a super expensive purchase. But you might be thinking,
(27:23):
but I'm gonna buy this, and then they're gonna have
They're gonna grow out of it in a year or
two or three. That might be true, but they will
start the right way and they will enjoy it and
have success with it.
Speaker 11 (27:32):
Yeah, And you can pay attention to the fundamentals, and
like I said, the safety aspects of it. One of
the things I remember from that old Savage rifle that
I shot. I remember I had every time I would
load the round in the chamber, I had to pull
the cocking piece back and as you know a younger kid,
that's a lot of force. Well, the rascals don't do that.
It's just like the drop the cartridge in the loading
(27:55):
ramp and you just close the bolt and that's it.
So it's it's really you know, being able to focus
on the safety aspect, the site aspect. It's still so
the standard rascals come with traditional peep sites. Okay, so
it's you know, they're all drilled in tap so we
can put a rail or optics or whatever, but just
from the factory peep sites. So it's easy to line
(28:17):
up the you know, the lollipop in.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
The circle if you will, and learn how to shoot
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Speaker 2 (31:07):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. You've brought some new
rifles that we've been playing with siding in. They're really cool, Argie,
you got to talk about these.
Speaker 11 (31:16):
So this kind of goes a complete opposite from the Rascals.
So when we start with the Rascal, the really small
rifle for young shooters, then we have most of the
rest of our rim fire product line, the Mark Two's,
the B series, the ninety threes, they're what we've historically
considered full sized rim fires, but they're still they're still
(31:38):
smaller because the receivers are shortened and whatnot. This year,
a couple actually a couple of weeks ago, we launched
a twenty two LR in our one ten lineup.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Wow.
Speaker 11 (31:50):
So the one ten is a full size hunting rifle
that everyone's known for. It's longest continuously manufactured bolt action
rifle goes back to nineteen fifty eight, and it's never
been chambered in a rim fire.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I did not realize that.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 11 (32:07):
Started out, you know, the big cartridges right thirty out, six, two,
seventy three oh eight. Really it's always been a center fire.
So we've never from the factory never done a twenty
two LR.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
So what was the inspiration for that? I mean, why
did you say we're going to take this big, full
sized rifle and make it in twenty.
Speaker 11 (32:25):
Two A couple of reasons. One popularity of NRL twenty
two PRS type shooting.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Long range twenty two matches.
Speaker 11 (32:33):
Correct, Okay, that was you know, number one for the
most part. But then at the same point, like I mentioned,
the Mark two's and the B series they're still smaller guns.
So you get someone who's six foot six two six
four holding what kind of feels like a rascal in
their hand. It's it's just a little little thing, you know.
(32:54):
So with the full size one ten in a twenty
two r LR, you've got our one to ten core
tactical in three oh eight. Now you've got the twenty
two LR chambering as well. That's one for one. So
there's also a training aspect to it. Sure, So for
those guys who are either you know, the long range
(33:16):
center fire guys or even on the hunting side, you've
got a three oh eight or six five or or whatnot.
Every time you're pressing that trigger, it's a.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Couple of dollars.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Sure, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 11 (33:28):
So now we'll have that same analog in rim fire, which, okay,
is some of the twenty two LRMO can get a
little pricey, but you're still not north of fifty cents
a cartridge, and most of the times you're in that
ten cents of cartridge.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
If it's a dedicated train platform for you could maybe
even run the same scope and all of the same
gear correct And yeah, I mean save an AMMO one
of those I mean I think the gun we're talking
about there's some weight to it. I mean we talk
about the you know, yes, there's there's very little recoil,
and most long range precision rifles we've gone towards making
(34:06):
these guns heavier so that it kind of absorbs the recoil,
that it doesn't move on target and all that stuff,
even for center fire. This twenty two I was shocked, Argie,
I picked it up, went how much is this thing weigh?
Speaker 11 (34:18):
Yeah, so that's the elite precision. That's the chassis gun.
Yea full profile barrel, twenty two inches. It weighs thirteen
point four pounds without optics, without AMMO, no suppressor. That's
that's gun out of the box.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
For twenty two for twentyteen more than thirteen pounds, yep.
Speaker 11 (34:39):
And the whole purpose of that, though, is you're on target,
it's not going to move. You're going to be able
to see your impacts. So if you're trying to shoot
one hundred and fifty yards two hundred yards or further,
you may not hit that target, but you'll be able
to see splash and be able to correct for that.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, I mean you're looking through the scope the entire
time just perfectly. You're a product guy. Twenty two's can
be finicky on AMMO, you know, like what AMMO do
I like to does the gun.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
Like to shoot?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Where it's accurate? It can also be finicky unfunctioning. Yes,
What are the biggest challenges in bringing out a new
twenty two rifle?
Speaker 11 (35:22):
Testing all the ammo? Yeah, so really just trying to
buy as much of different variations as we can, and
how can we design around some of those features. So
feeding just perfect example, one of the features on the
magazines we chose from L three I. They have an
adjustable latch built into the magazine, so you're loosening a
(35:45):
little set screw. You can move the latch point up
down a little bit so you can set it specifically
for your particular twenty two lar load, so you can
get the perfect presentation for the bolt to pick it up.
So you can help to eliminate some of those feeding
issues with the different bullet profiles. And you know, does
(36:05):
this this bullet have a wax coating on it? This
one has a polymer coating on it, and so you
can adjust for that and just ignition. So that's another concern.
Everyone knows remfire, Ammo, you're going to get some misfires,
and it's not always the gun's fault, But how can
we help to design that into the gun to eliminate that.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
What do you do with a rim fire to like
ensure ignition? Is it just is it just hitting that
rim harder or like.
Speaker 11 (36:36):
What are the no, So it's spreading out the forces.
So you've got you know, a firing pin. Everyone thinks
it's just a small point that hits the rim, But
if you make that a little bit longer or longer, wider,
or in the case of what we've we found in
one of our recent products, sometimes the primer material is
(36:59):
not as consistent as it should be along that surface
of that rim. So we made the firing pin taller
to get further into the center of the cartridge as well. Interesting,
just again trying to design in some of those features
to make sure the rifle goes bang every time you
(37:19):
press that trigger.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah. Absolutely, What else is going on with Savage these days,
even outside of rim fire? I mean, I know you
have new products that you've introduced and new things in
the works.
Speaker 11 (37:30):
Yeah, So the big thing twenty twenty six at Shot Show,
we relaunched all of our one ten product so the
one ten rim Fire was kind of baked into that
just a little bit later, so we've talked to length
of pull adjustability a little bit, you know, just for
the rascals and whatnot. So that was almost five hundred
skews over the entire one ten product line and baked
(37:54):
into there with the twenty two LR introduction. We're now
to thirty five chamberings the one ten, so it's it's
truly something for everyone.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
But is there any Are there any chamberines that are
like kind of new, the new hot ones that are
you're trying to do?
Speaker 11 (38:09):
Yep, So twenty two a side the six six chamberings
that we launched at Shot show a lot of the
new hornety cartridges, So we have twenty two Arc, twenty
two creed More, twenty five creed More, three thirty eight Arc,
six to eight Western, and three hundred Hammer.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
You know, it kind of ties into what we're doing
here at Plinkapalooza. So we're talking about every love shooting
rim fires, the low recoil, it's fun to shoot, and
then what's hot right now, it's twenty two ARC, which
is a center fire, but it's a twenty two twenty
fives six millimeter, which is a twenty four you know caliber.
I mean, we're going smaller because they're more fun to shoot,
(38:49):
but also you're able to stay in that scope, see
your hits or see your misses, call your misses, make adjustments.
It's one of those things that's kind of a trend
in what we're seeing right now is let's go lower recoil,
I have more fun, shoot more ammo, become a better shooter.
These are the trends happening in the world of guns.
We'll be right back with more gun talk. All right,
(39:16):
Welcome back to dun Talk. The show continues. I'm your
guest host, Ryan Gresham, Tom Gresham. He's out doing his thing.
He's actually traveling on the road and needed a filler,
so we are filling in and hopefully you haven't changed
the chailey yet. We appreciate it. We were talking about cartridges.
Obviously we're talking a bunch about rim fires right now,
(39:37):
but talking about other trends. In first hour, I was
talking about the guys from Lipsy's and talking about trends
and kind of picking their brain about what they're seeing
as far as pistol cartridges go. Right now, it's I mean,
it's kind of like settled that nine milimeter is by
far the most popular cartridge pistols, and certainly in Semiauto's.
(40:02):
I mean, it's it's not really even a consideration. It's
I don't know, it's nine. For every ten car you
know of guns made, nine of them are probably in
nine milimeter. But what's interesting, and what they told me was,
you know what number two is? Think about it. What's
the number two pistol cartridge being sold right now in America?
(40:23):
What's the number two trending pistol cartridge. It's not three eighty,
it's not forty five ACP, and it's not one of
the revolver cartridges like three fifty seven or thirty special.
It is ready rough ten millimeter. And it's so funny
because I know we've talked about ten millimeter on the
(40:44):
show a lot. I know Tom is a big fan
of it, and it's one of those cartridges that just
has this cult following. And it's interesting because that has
grown and it simmered all along. It's simmered below the surface.
People loving it, the brend ten or whatever they want
to talk about. But ten has not gone away. And
it's interesting the trends that we're seeing right now, because
(41:07):
if everyone's saying nine milimeter, now, why go to forty
five when you can kind of go to a ten.
People were just used to shooting that stuff. Obviously, ten
millimeter is a if you're familiar with forty Smith and Wesson.
Basically the forty Smith and Wesson was just a ten
millimeter shortened, so it had a little bit less power,
(41:29):
a little bit less velocity. The other thing about ten
is it's really multi purpose. You could use it for
a lot of applications. Obviously self defense, yes, plenty of power. Now,
one could argue that the reason nine millimeter is very
popular for self defense is because people shoot it well.
It doesn't have it doesn't have punishing recoil, very controllable,
(41:52):
easy to shoot, easy to shoot. Well, maybe not as
much for the ten. I mean yeah, I mean, the
ten's not ridiculous if you compare it to a forty
four matter them, However, it is more to control, it's
more to hold on to on the gun. So yes,
certainly could be for self defense. But hunting people are
getting kind of more interested in hunting with handguns. So
a ten millimeter with the right AMMO can be really
(42:14):
great for that, and kind of along those with the
right ammo thing is back country defense against larger predders.
The back country defense. I mean, it's funny. Over the
years thirty one years of doing gun talk, we always
kind of chuckle because it's like, I need a bear gun.
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a good case to be made for that. If you're
carrying a secondary gun, a side arm, when you're walking
around the woods hunting with your rifle, there's a good
case to be made for millimeter. You know, you think
about some of the ones, I mean pretty much all
(42:57):
of the major handgun companies make a semi automatic pistol
and ten, whether that's Ruger or Glock, Sabith Wesson, Springfield Armory,
And you know, it's kind of nice having twelve, fourteen
to fifteen rounds of ten millimeter versus five or six
rounds of forty four Special or forty four Mac. Don't
(43:18):
get me wrong, there's always a place in my heart
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a good hard cast bullet, something that can really penetrate
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So I'm your guest host today Ryan Gresham. Tom is
on the road and so we're actually recording this at
our our Gun Talk headquarters and we call it range
Ready range Ready Studios where we run events and classes
and stuff like that, and we have an event going
on right now called Plinka Palooza. Plinka Palooza is a
(02:05):
media event centered around rimfires. So in twenty two's seventeen
HMR but mostly twenty twos and all those fun guns
that we start out shooting, and then we moved to
the big big stuff, and then you always come back
around to shooting the low recoil, low noise, fun guns
that we never fell out of love with, but we
(02:26):
just maybe forgot because it was in the back of
the safe. And my guest right now with me is
Joe Curtinbak Joe with banished suppressors and also silence for
central Joe. What is it about rim fires that people
love so much?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
Yeah, I mean no bark, no bite, right, I mean,
there's no report, there's no recoil, super fun, inexpensive, the
coolest platforms pretty much the most fun you can have
on the range, and uh you know, places like range
Ready and others that can even then turn it into
an event where you have some fun games. I mean
(02:59):
this recreational shooting. Of course, you can hunt small game
with twenty two's, you know, and but it's fun, man,
it's fun.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
You can punch the paper.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
But I mean the amount of like interactive targets and
stuff designed for rim fire rounds, and then the fact
that they absolutely do not beat you up. I mean,
it is just it's super fun. Yeah, So rimfire is
always a strong place in my heart.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
It's where a lot of us start out for the
most part, and then we figured out and then when
we're a kid, you're whatever. You're ten, you're twelve.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
You're thirteen.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
Then you're like, dad, I want to shoot the big
deer rifle. I want to shoot the big shotgun, and
you want to get bigger because that's what the grown
ups do and it's a natural progression. But then that's
what I was saying to the intro, we kind of
come back to it and honestly, how much can shooting
rim fires help your shooting?
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Well, I mean, you hit it on the head.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
In fact, I just had my ten year old son
out for deer season this year, and you know it,
it was pretty tough to catch a deer while he's
hanging out the blinde and singing and dancing. But he
was having a great time, so I wasn't gonna stop
a single thing that was happening.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
But what we did after that, though, is.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
Then we went over to the range and we were
shooting the twenty two Suppress twenty two. And the great
thing about that, especially with new shooters, young shooters, is
with no report, no recoil, you can focus on the
firearms handling, this safe handling, teaching them the fundamentals of
gun safety and marksmanship in an environment and with a
(04:30):
platform that is not going to distract.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Them in any way.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
So really the best teaching platform out there, I think
is a suppressed room fire.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
And honestly, even for grownups, right you kind of you're
having problems, you're missing dear, or you're getting ready for
a match or whatever it is, whether it's pistol or rifle,
going back to rim fire can kind of bring you
back to the basics and maybe like drop some bad habits.
I mean I felt it when I've look. If you
say you don't flinch, you're a big fat liar. Everyone
(04:59):
can flinch, everyone can jerk or push into the gun
or whatever it is. When you're used to shooting big
rifles or even handguns that have comps on it or whatever,
that not only the recoil, the physical recoil, but also
the blasts, the muzzle blast, so the report it'll mess
with you. Yeah, and when you get those yips going
(05:20):
back to rim fire, yes, it really can just kind
of settle you in and go, oh, yeah, I just
need to put the sites on the target. And press
the trigger without disturbing that site picture get back to
It's easier to do that with room fire.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Yeah, and then I think, you know, we.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Always talk about suppressors suppressing the noise the recoil, but
I think they amplify the benefits of rim fire platforms
because you are even further taking away any report, any recoil.
And so yeah, you can really focus on that trigger press,
safe handling, your site alignment, all of those fundamental skills
(05:56):
that you need to be successful on basically every other
fire arm plat there is.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
Okay, you said I wanted to get into this so
band of suppressors. I've heard a lot of people say it.
I probably said it. If you're going to go buy
a silence or a suppressor, A twenty two is a
great place to start. What is it about? Because you
kind of said it, but like, Okay, there's not a
lot of recoil, there's not a lot of noise in rimfire.
(06:21):
But I don't know the stats. Maybe you do. Technically
you're still supposed to wear hearing protection in an unsuppressed
twenty two.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Right, Yeah, so you're with a unsuppressed twenty two, you're
still getting into that one hundred and thirty one hundred
and forty plus decibels, which per Osha for that impact sound,
that's still kind of above the hearing safe level. You're
really trying to get below one hundred and forty for shooting,
and when you add the suppressor for most rim fires
(06:53):
you bring it down to like one hundred and twenty
or less. If you start using subsonic rimfire AMMO with
a suppressor, you're it's like one hundred and ten decibels.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
So I mean you're getting really really quiet at that point.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Yeah, which again one less distraction when you're trying to
learn to shoot.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, that's a great point. You got banish suppressors, you've
got silence for central. We're going to talk about what's
new from Vanish after we come back.
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Speaker 2 (10:01):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. One of the hottest
categories in the world of guns are silencers suppressors. They're
fast to get, they're easier to get now they're actually
less money to get. You don't have the two hundred
dollars tax stamp to mess with anymore. And we're here
with Joe Kirkbob from Banished Suppressors and also Silencer Central.
You guys are bringing out new suppressors. A lot of
(10:23):
things happening in the world of suppressor manufacturing and technology
talk about some of the new stuff from you guys.
Speaker 5 (10:28):
Yeah, you got it.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
I mean, so we're seeing a ton of especially with
the tax stamp going away, a ton of new suppressor
models coming out here, and you know, Banish has really
been at the forefront of that, even pre twenty twenty six.
You know, when we talk about three D printing for example,
or additive manufacturing, you know, for us, it really started
actually about three or four years ago when we teamed
(10:51):
up with Federal to.
Speaker 5 (10:52):
Create the SPEEDCA suppressor.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
That was a suppressor really designed for law enforcement, for
like patrol car beings, a two two three caliber suppressor
with controlled flow technology so that the users aren't eating.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
The gas as the bolt reciprocates.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
And as well, they want to in the most compact
platform possible, so that it would fit in the trunk
or in like CQB environments, it would be ideally suited
for that. And that was a three D printed can
our first, and we did it in both incannel and titanium.
Fast forward, we've done things like the nine K again
additive manufactured titanium, and that one is a nine to
(11:32):
milimeters suppressor that's so light that you don't need a
piston or a booster to make it run on a
semi automatic handgun. Continuing on, we had the Banish five
to five six again additive manufactured incannel for that one,
kind of a.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
Our best.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Full auto rated, absolutely indestructible five to five to six suppressor,
and that one really came out of requirements for good
sound reduction, excellent flash reduction, and of course recoil mitigation,
controlled flow technology.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
But we're able to.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Do things with additive manufacturing like create really sophisticated chambers
and baffles and even vents to achieve some of those
goals in ways that we couldn't before. But there's also
a place for more traditional manufacturing.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
Of course, we still have.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
All throughout the Banished lineup, you know, really tradition kind
of tube and baffle designs with baffle stacks primarily titanium
from Banish. That's what we're best known for is lighter weight,
premium performance hunting suppressors, and so we like to keep
the weight light.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
But what's really exciting for.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
Us and is brand new, is we just launched our
new stainless steel series. So this is reacting the market
demand as it's kind of opened up. We want to
make sure that suppressors are accessible to everybody, so whereas
you're going to get it's a little bit more defensive
to do things in titanium than stainless steel, so we're
able to bring the price down. And as well, we're
(13:05):
looking at a fully welded manufacturing technology, so again a
a method that's been around for a bit, but it
is more cost effective, so we can create these stainless
steel cans. We've got the Hunt thirty and the Varmint
two two three, and these cans are just the same
excellent performance you would expect from Vanish, but at a
(13:27):
lower price point because of the materials we're using and
the method of manufacturer.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
So talk about it, and you talked touched on it,
but help the listener understand when you talk about ink
and el versus titanium versus stainless they all have their
their advantages and disadvantages. Perhaps, Yeah, there's cost, there's sound,
there's durability, Yeah, there's weight compare those three Yeah, and even.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Aluminum when you're looking at at at some some of
the rim fire suppressors out there on the market too.
So yeah, it's always a like anything it's a compromise
between durability weight. Heat resistance becomes very important because not
all metals handle heat. That's why incannel, kind of an
exotic material is very popular in suppressor manufacturing. And that's
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because it is exceptionally heat resistant.
Speaker 5 (14:17):
It won't it won't kind.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Of become brittle or morph or break or anything like
that under extreme.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Dress, like ful auto fire.
Speaker 4 (14:25):
So each of those materials, you know, and there's also
a cost associated, right obviously, titanium and incannel a bit
more expensive. Titanium because it's so strong and so light.
That's kind of its key advantage. That's why we love
it for hunting suppressors, you know, and we can make
things like the nine K you know, that's only a
(14:46):
couple ounces, you know, and it's and it's got you know,
a full set of baffles in there, being able to
bring nine millimeters down to hearing safe but in just
a couple of ounces. So really incredible with titanium incannal
for the heat resistance. But stainless steel is a great
material for suppressor design too because it is strong, because
it is heat resistant. The main drawback is the weight.
(15:10):
But if you're talking about range day truck gun, ranch gun,
or your primary hunting is out of a deer stand.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
There, you don't need the weight.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Savings, and so what you can do now, especially with
our stainless steel series, is save a few bucks going
with a stainless steel model. Okay, get all the same
great performance, but at a lower price point.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Okay, that makes sense. What about maintenance on suppressors. I'm
sure that's a question you guys get all the time.
What do they need to clean it? Do they not
need to clean it? I mean, I know that that's
kind of one of those that depends thing, but you
know it help people when they're going what am I
supposed to do with that?
Speaker 6 (15:47):
No?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
This is this is another great question because we do
have several different types.
Speaker 10 (15:51):
Right.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
We have the traditional baffle stack where the baffles will
all come out and you can really clean it thoroughly
inside and out. And with rim fire, especially here at Plankapalooza,
it can get pretty filthy, you know, so being able
to maintain those is pretty important. The maintenance cycle really
stretches out quite as quite a bit as you get
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into center fire rifle cartridges. Not a lot of it
blows straight through you don't get nearly the build up
that you do, but some maintenance is still required. And actually,
so Banish Suppressors and Silencer Central we're really working hard
to put out content right now about how.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
To take care of those suppressors.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Because you can use some pretty traditional intuitive cleaning methods
with the suppressors that fully disassemble, but if it's a
sealed suppressor like an additive manufacturer, or a sealed and
welded can like the stainless steel ones, it's more of
a a You got to soak it a little bit differently,
and there are products out there that are really good
(16:50):
for doing this for you. You also have finished considerations,
like your internal baffles could go into an ultrasonic cleaner,
but you probably don't want your Sarah Coot finished suppressor
in the ultrasonic cleaner. Also, so one thing that Banished
Suppressors is also doing, and this is brand new from US,
is we've launched the Banish Advantage, which is actually a
(17:12):
really comprehensive maintenance and cleaning program for new banished owners.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
So you buy a new.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Suppressor and basically you get one free full service cleaning
and maintenance from US. So you reach out you register
your product, and if you've been shooting it for a year,
it's getting pretty filthy.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
You don't want to do the dirty work yourself.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
You call us up, you send it in, we'll do
a full inspection, disassemble to the degree possible, make sure
there's no unusual wear or damage. It'll get a full
cleaning inside and out. We'll researa code it if it
needs it, will replace.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Baffles if they need it.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
We'll replace O rings if it needs it, and we'll
ship it back to you. And so that's just one
more thing that Banishes doing to kind of simplify what
can be a little bit daunting, which is suppressor maintenance.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Is it is that something that they add on when
they buy a suppressor.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
That comes with every new Banished suppressor. So basically we
launched that program about a month ago. We haven't talked
about it as we were kind of spinning it up
and kind of making sure that the intake and maintenance
program on our side is kind of a soft launch,
but we're gonna be talking about a lot more because
it is something that Banish Suppressors is doing that nobody
(18:28):
else is.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Just we'll do the dirty work for you.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
That's fantastic. I just you know, in my world, I
just if it gets dirty, we just send it back.
And you know said joke, can you send me.
Speaker 5 (18:38):
I lived in your world for a long time. I
appreciated it.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
You know, I'm gonna get hate emails I can't stand.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Well no, So now we're making your world available to
everybody who buys Banished Suppressors.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
That's the old gun media guide joke is like what
I hear about this cleaning of guns?
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Yeah, yeah, that am buying Ammo. Right, that's people buy that.
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Geez.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Your sister company is Silencer Central, And I mean I
think people at this point, you guys have been out
there and spread in the gospel. Silence are Central. I
mean you make it very streamlined and demystifying the process
of buying a silencer. But I think some people don't
know that you guys sell kind of almost every other
(19:22):
silencer company out there.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Right, Yeah, I mean that's been.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
A big push for us, is we are sister companies
Banished Suppressors and Silencer Central. But it's really important and
we've really changed our mentality a bit that you know,
when I put on my Silence or Central hat, Banish
is just another suppressor manufacturer.
Speaker 5 (19:41):
Like we try and do a good job.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Working with gem Tech, Savage, Wilson, Combat Dead, Air Silencer Co.
All the big names out there putting out great products.
We want to be the best retailer possible on the
silence or central side, and so what we've done is
continue to streamline the process so that you know, if
you wanted to, right from that chair, you could order
(20:03):
your suppressor and it'll be delivered to your door and
you don't ever have to get up or talk to anybody.
You know, We've really, we've really been able to make
it as simple as possible and continue to make suppressors
accessible because it is great for hearing safety, it is
great for the overall elevating that shooting experience by taking
(20:25):
away the report and the recoil. And we were very
passionate about it. We want everybody shooting suppressed.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Yeah. And the more people who are owning these, it
becomes in common use, which is a very key term
as far as you know your rights to own this stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Yeah, I mean, I think we don't talk enough about that,
but Banish suppressors it went through some.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Iterations before we were here today.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
But I mean our founder and CEO, Brandon Maddox, he
really started having the suppressors manufactured, you know, twenty years ago,
and one of our flagship models, the original Banish thirty,
we manufactured like one hundred.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
Thousand of those.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Like, at what point do we hit common usage if
one model from one maker has one hundred thousand units
out there, Yeah, you know, I mean so I think
suppressor use is more widespread than some people may think,
but there is still a lot of room to grow
within the gun enthusiast community.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Well at this point, I mean, the honest truth for
everybody listening is we used to think of like I
need to buy this one suppressor and put it on
move it around on guns. And at this point, you
buy a suppressor for every gun, you cite it in,
you leave it on the gun. It's like a scope
on your rifle. It's done real quick. Joe, what's the
quietest setup of gun suppressor AMMO that you've ever shot?
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (21:48):
Yeah, so Subsonic twenty two AMMO and a bolt action
twenty two just about anyone but full rifle length, you know,
at least a sixteen inch barrel with a twenty two
supressor and Subsonic AMMO.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
That's the quietest.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
It's like stepping on a twig. It's just incredible. All right,
Joe kudn't bought from Vanish. Thanks for being with us.
We got more coming at Share more fun guests up
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(22:26):
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to seven fest We did Leverfests last year all about
lever actions, and this year it's Plinka Palooza, all about rimfires.
And so we have a variety of people on the
show today and up next a name in the world
(23:53):
of rimfires that you guys know probably own several of
their rimfire guns. Savage, Savage Arms.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
We've got our with us. RJ.
Speaker 11 (24:00):
Thanks for being with us, Thanks for having us down here.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Senior product manager, let's say that right, yes, for Savage.
So you are the guy that perhaps has you know,
seen the sausage being made, has perhaps made the sausage.
So I mean, Savage is one of those companies long history,
long history with rimfires, right, Yeah, how far does it
go back?
Speaker 11 (24:21):
So Savage goes eighteen ninety four. Savage as a company
didn't do a lot with rimfires until the Stevens brand
got absorbed into Savage. So twenty two LR really got
it start from Stevens back in the old you know,
everything was rimfire, you know, pre nineteen hundred and brought
you know, twenty two out. So we've had a long
(24:42):
history with twenty two LR in particular and through the forties, fifties, sixties.
Like one of the first rifles I shot was at
twenty two LR marked Springfield, but.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
It was made by Savage.
Speaker 11 (24:53):
Okay, you know, so there's lots of history there and
we go to shows and lots of folks rifle ever
shot or my favorite dear gun. Everyone knows the ninety nine's,
but it's that the twenty two stuff, the rim fire
is really the Stevens roots that have come through today.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
That's a good point. I mean, millions of people have
taken their first shots with a gun, probably with a
Savage rim fire.
Speaker 11 (25:18):
Very good chance.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Yep, you guys have one of the smallest rim fires
that I know that's down there, the Rascal, the Rascal. Yep.
Speaker 11 (25:26):
So that's a really neat story one of our at
the time, the engineering director had his ten year old son,
I want to say, as the kind of guinea pig
for this rifle, because there wasn't anything in the market
for younger shooters or smaller stature shooters. And so the
(25:47):
Rascal is a true miniature rifle. So still sixteen inch barrel,
so we've had all the legality stuff, but the action
is miniaturized and it still has a traditional two position safety.
It still has our ACU trigger, so it acts just
like the bigger rim fires or the center fires, just
in a smaller package.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah. I mean that's important because there are I mean,
you've heard of I've heard it. People go, man, I
want to start my kid. My kid wants to start shooting,
and they might be six or seven or eight years old,
and a lot of the rim fires that exist are
too big for them. Even some of the youth guns
are intended for a twelve or thirteen year old boy,
(26:29):
not an eight year old girl. Perhaps, correct.
Speaker 11 (26:31):
Yeah, when we talk length of poll is primarily that,
but it's also the weight of the rifle and the
barrel length. Going further out, the Rascal length of poll
is eleven inches or so. You know, a traditional youth
or compact for us on the center fire is twelve
and three quarters. So we're shaving inch inch and half
just on length of pole and in just the barrel
(26:54):
length is shorter, the profiles are a little bit shorter,
just a lighter weight gun to handle.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
And I'll say this, I mean having the gun fit.
I mean, everybody's seen that image of a kid trying
to hold a gun up and it's too heavy for them,
has too long a length of pull. They're leaning back
trying to hold it up. They're super uncomfortable. They're not
going to have as much fun. They're not going to
have as much success hitting the target. And I know
you buy the Rascal and it's not going to be
like a super expensive purchase. But you might be thinking,
(27:23):
but I'm gonna buy this, and then they're gonna have
They're gonna grow out of it in a year or
two or three. That might be true, but they will
start the right way and they will enjoy it and
have success with it.
Speaker 11 (27:32):
Yeah, And you can pay attention to the fundamentals, and
like I said, the safety aspects of it. One of
the things I remember from that old Savage rifle that
I shot. I remember I had every time I would
load the round in the chamber, I had to pull
the cocking piece back and as you know a younger kid,
that's a lot of force. Well, the rascals don't do that.
It's just like the drop the cartridge in the loading
(27:55):
ramp and you just close the bolt and that's it.
So it's it's really you know, being able to focus
on the safety aspect, the site aspect. It's still so
the standard rascals come with traditional peep sites. Okay, so
it's you know, they're all drilled in tap so we
can put a rail or optics or whatever, but just
from the factory peep sites. So it's easy to line
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up the you know, the lollipop in.
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The circle if you will, and learn how to shoot
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Speaker 2 (31:07):
Hey, welcome back to gun Talk. You've brought some new
rifles that we've been playing with siding in. They're really cool, Argie,
you got to talk about these.
Speaker 11 (31:16):
So this kind of goes a complete opposite from the Rascals.
So when we start with the Rascal, the really small
rifle for young shooters, then we have most of the
rest of our rim fire product line, the Mark Two's,
the B series, the ninety threes, they're what we've historically
considered full sized rim fires, but they're still they're still
(31:38):
smaller because the receivers are shortened and whatnot. This year,
a couple actually a couple of weeks ago, we launched
a twenty two LR in our one ten lineup.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Wow.
Speaker 11 (31:50):
So the one ten is a full size hunting rifle
that everyone's known for. It's longest continuously manufactured bolt action
rifle goes back to nineteen fifty eight, and it's never
been chambered in a rim fire.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I did not realize that.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Yeah, it's amazing.
Speaker 11 (32:07):
Started out, you know, the big cartridges right thirty out, six, two,
seventy three oh eight. Really it's always been a center fire.
So we've never from the factory never done a twenty
two LR.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
So what was the inspiration for that? I mean, why
did you say we're going to take this big, full
sized rifle and make it in twenty.
Speaker 11 (32:25):
Two A couple of reasons. One popularity of NRL twenty
two PRS type shooting.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Long range twenty two matches.
Speaker 11 (32:33):
Correct, Okay, that was you know, number one for the
most part. But then at the same point, like I mentioned,
the Mark two's and the B series they're still smaller guns.
So you get someone who's six foot six two six
four holding what kind of feels like a rascal in
their hand. It's it's just a little little thing, you know.
(32:54):
So with the full size one ten in a twenty
two r LR, you've got our one to ten core
tactical in three oh eight. Now you've got the twenty
two LR chambering as well. That's one for one. So
there's also a training aspect to it. Sure, So for
those guys who are either you know, the long range
(33:16):
center fire guys or even on the hunting side, you've
got a three oh eight or six five or or whatnot.
Every time you're pressing that trigger, it's a.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
Couple of dollars.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Sure, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 11 (33:28):
So now we'll have that same analog in rim fire, which, okay,
is some of the twenty two LRMO can get a
little pricey, but you're still not north of fifty cents
a cartridge, and most of the times you're in that
ten cents of cartridge.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
If it's a dedicated train platform for you could maybe
even run the same scope and all of the same
gear correct And yeah, I mean save an AMMO one
of those I mean I think the gun we're talking
about there's some weight to it. I mean we talk
about the you know, yes, there's there's very little recoil,
and most long range precision rifles we've gone towards making
(34:06):
these guns heavier so that it kind of absorbs the recoil,
that it doesn't move on target and all that stuff,
even for center fire. This twenty two I was shocked, Argie,
I picked it up, went how much is this thing weigh?
Speaker 11 (34:18):
Yeah, so that's the elite precision. That's the chassis gun.
Yea full profile barrel, twenty two inches. It weighs thirteen
point four pounds without optics, without AMMO, no suppressor. That's
that's gun out of the box.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
For twenty two for twentyteen more than thirteen pounds, yep.
Speaker 11 (34:39):
And the whole purpose of that, though, is you're on target,
it's not going to move. You're going to be able
to see your impacts. So if you're trying to shoot
one hundred and fifty yards two hundred yards or further,
you may not hit that target, but you'll be able
to see splash and be able to correct for that.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, I mean you're looking through the scope the entire
time just perfectly. You're a product guy. Twenty two's can
be finicky on AMMO, you know, like what AMMO do
I like to does the gun.
Speaker 5 (35:11):
Like to shoot?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Where it's accurate? It can also be finicky unfunctioning. Yes,
What are the biggest challenges in bringing out a new
twenty two rifle?
Speaker 11 (35:22):
Testing all the ammo? Yeah, so really just trying to
buy as much of different variations as we can, and
how can we design around some of those features. So
feeding just perfect example, one of the features on the
magazines we chose from L three I. They have an
adjustable latch built into the magazine, so you're loosening a
(35:45):
little set screw. You can move the latch point up
down a little bit so you can set it specifically
for your particular twenty two lar load, so you can
get the perfect presentation for the bolt to pick it up.
So you can help to eliminate some of those feeding
issues with the different bullet profiles. And you know, does
(36:05):
this this bullet have a wax coating on it? This
one has a polymer coating on it, and so you
can adjust for that and just ignition. So that's another concern.
Everyone knows remfire, Ammo, you're going to get some misfires,
and it's not always the gun's fault, But how can
we help to design that into the gun to eliminate that.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
What do you do with a rim fire to like
ensure ignition? Is it just is it just hitting that
rim harder or like.
Speaker 11 (36:36):
What are the no, So it's spreading out the forces.
So you've got you know, a firing pin. Everyone thinks
it's just a small point that hits the rim, But
if you make that a little bit longer or longer, wider,
or in the case of what we've we found in
one of our recent products, sometimes the primer material is
(36:59):
not as consistent as it should be along that surface
of that rim. So we made the firing pin taller
to get further into the center of the cartridge as well. Interesting,
just again trying to design in some of those features
to make sure the rifle goes bang every time you
(37:19):
press that trigger.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Yeah. Absolutely, What else is going on with Savage these days,
even outside of rim fire? I mean, I know you
have new products that you've introduced and new things in
the works.
Speaker 11 (37:30):
Yeah, So the big thing twenty twenty six at Shot Show,
we relaunched all of our one ten product so the
one ten rim Fire was kind of baked into that
just a little bit later, so we've talked to length
of pull adjustability a little bit, you know, just for
the rascals and whatnot. So that was almost five hundred
skews over the entire one ten product line and baked
(37:54):
into there with the twenty two LR introduction. We're now
to thirty five chamberings the one ten, so it's it's
truly something for everyone.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
But is there any Are there any chamberines that are
like kind of new, the new hot ones that are
you're trying to do?
Speaker 11 (38:09):
Yep, So twenty two a side the six six chamberings
that we launched at Shot show a lot of the
new hornety cartridges, So we have twenty two Arc, twenty
two creed More, twenty five creed More, three thirty eight Arc,
six to eight Western, and three hundred Hammer.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
You know, it kind of ties into what we're doing
here at Plinkapalooza. So we're talking about every love shooting
rim fires, the low recoil, it's fun to shoot, and
then what's hot right now, it's twenty two ARC, which
is a center fire, but it's a twenty two twenty
fives six millimeter, which is a twenty four you know caliber.
I mean, we're going smaller because they're more fun to shoot,
(38:49):
but also you're able to stay in that scope, see
your hits or see your misses, call your misses, make adjustments.
It's one of those things that's kind of a trend
in what we're seeing right now is let's go lower recoil,
I have more fun, shoot more ammo, become a better shooter.
These are the trends happening in the world of guns.
We'll be right back with more gun talk. All right,
(39:16):
Welcome back to dun Talk. The show continues. I'm your
guest host, Ryan Gresham, Tom Gresham. He's out doing his thing.
He's actually traveling on the road and needed a filler,
so we are filling in and hopefully you haven't changed
the chailey yet. We appreciate it. We were talking about cartridges.
Obviously we're talking a bunch about rim fires right now,
(39:37):
but talking about other trends. In first hour, I was
talking about the guys from Lipsy's and talking about trends
and kind of picking their brain about what they're seeing
as far as pistol cartridges go. Right now, it's I mean,
it's kind of like settled that nine milimeter is by
far the most popular cartridge pistols, and certainly in Semiauto's.
(40:02):
I mean, it's it's not really even a consideration. It's
I don't know, it's nine. For every ten car you
know of guns made, nine of them are probably in
nine milimeter. But what's interesting, and what they told me was,
you know what number two is? Think about it. What's
the number two pistol cartridge being sold right now in America?
(40:23):
What's the number two trending pistol cartridge. It's not three eighty,
it's not forty five ACP, and it's not one of
the revolver cartridges like three fifty seven or thirty special.
It is ready rough ten millimeter. And it's so funny
because I know we've talked about ten millimeter on the
(40:44):
show a lot. I know Tom is a big fan
of it, and it's one of those cartridges that just
has this cult following. And it's interesting because that has
grown and it simmered all along. It's simmered below the surface.
People loving it, the brend ten or whatever they want
to talk about. But ten has not gone away. And
it's interesting the trends that we're seeing right now, because
(41:07):
if everyone's saying nine milimeter, now, why go to forty
five when you can kind of go to a ten.
People were just used to shooting that stuff. Obviously, ten
millimeter is a if you're familiar with forty Smith and Wesson.
Basically the forty Smith and Wesson was just a ten
millimeter shortened, so it had a little bit less power,
(41:29):
a little bit less velocity. The other thing about ten
is it's really multi purpose. You could use it for
a lot of applications. Obviously self defense, yes, plenty of power. Now,
one could argue that the reason nine millimeter is very
popular for self defense is because people shoot it well.
It doesn't have it doesn't have punishing recoil, very controllable,
(41:52):
easy to shoot, easy to shoot. Well, maybe not as
much for the ten. I mean yeah, I mean, the
ten's not ridiculous if you compare it to a forty
four matter them, However, it is more to control, it's
more to hold on to on the gun. So yes,
certainly could be for self defense. But hunting people are
getting kind of more interested in hunting with handguns. So
a ten millimeter with the right AMMO can be really
(42:14):
great for that, and kind of along those with the
right ammo thing is back country defense against larger predders.
The back country defense. I mean, it's funny. Over the
years thirty one years of doing gun talk, we always
kind of chuckle because it's like, I need a bear gun.
I need a bear defense gun. Where do you live?
I live in Pittscola, Florida. Really you need a bear
defense gun? Okay, sure, why not if it helps you
(42:35):
buy another gun. We are here to help you and
enable you great enabler, right, But back country defense there's
a good case to be made for that. If you're
carrying a secondary gun, a side arm, when you're walking
around the woods hunting with your rifle, there's a good
case to be made for millimeter. You know, you think
about some of the ones, I mean pretty much all
(42:57):
of the major handgun companies make a semi automatic pistol
and ten, whether that's Ruger or Glock, Sabith Wesson, Springfield Armory,
And you know, it's kind of nice having twelve, fourteen
to fifteen rounds of ten millimeter versus five or six
rounds of forty four Special or forty four Mac. Don't
(43:18):
get me wrong, there's always a place in my heart
for those cartridges as well. But with the right bullets,
a good hard cast bullet, something that can really penetrate
and do damage, it could be a lifesaver for back country.
So yeah, ten millimeter is actually surpassed forty five ACP.
It's hot right now and if you don't have one,
you might want to consider getting well.
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