In This Hour:
REBROADCAST- In a surprise move, Beretta buys 9 percent of Ruger's stock. What's going on? Shooting Wire creator Jim Shepherd explains.
-- Glock announces it is discontinuing most of its pistols and replacing some of them with a new series which can not be modified with the "switch," a device that illegally converts them to full auto.
-- The AI powered security system at his school said his bag of Dorito chips was a pistol, so the cops rolled in, handcuffed him, and pointed guns at him.
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REBROADCAST- In a surprise move, Beretta buys 9 percent of Ruger's stock. What's going on? Shooting Wire creator Jim Shepherd explains.
-- Glock announces it is discontinuing most of its pistols and replacing some of them with a new series which can not be modified with the "switch," a device that illegally converts them to full auto.
-- The AI powered security system at his school said his bag of Dorito chips was a pistol, so the cops rolled in, handcuffed him, and pointed guns at him.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:29):
Hey, this is Tom Gresham. We hope you enjoyed this
reloaded version. Also, glad to be here. I'll tell you what.
Let's just keep doing this thing. I'm Tom Gresham. This
is gun talk. We join right now by an old friend,
longtime friend, a guy that no matter what happens, I
stand beside him because and behind him because well I
don't trust it in front of him. Let's just put
(00:49):
it that way. Jeff Shephard created the entire megalopolis of
the shooting wire, the outdoor wire, and all the other wires.
He is a longtime journalist, like reel journalist, and an
outdoor guy.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Hey doing partner, I'm doing great. Thank you for you
In a long time rather than old, although both are correct.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, well there you go right back, right back at you.
I figure you're talking about me as well. All right,
so I want to at least tell people what the
wires are so they know where you're coming from. Here.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Well, we are essentially the daily news paper for the
outdoor industry. Just we have enough little news outlets that
we can cover about anything you want, from archer to
dealer specials for dealers only. But the outdoor Wires started.
(01:43):
I found this hard to believe twenty five years ago. Holy,
we've been around a while. Yeah, so we are. We're there,
We're hard to find. You go to the internet and
type in the Outdoor Wiring for a file, and then
you can look at all the others because I don't.
Every time I try to list all of them, I
(02:04):
leave one or two out and I have an angry
editor calling me.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Of course.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Just go to the outdoor wire dot com and you
can see what we do and what's going on. And
if you go, if you go this afternoon, I found
out do a wrinkle and her program and I'm going
to fix you can see the wire for tomorrow. I
used to be there, but it is.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
You could we could look into the future.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Yeah, well I'm better at looking at the past, but yeah,
we can do that.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
All right. So then to tell people, Yeah, and your background,
people shaid, no, I mean you've done like real journalism
and real you know, media stuff. You were one of
the original employees founders of CNN.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I think number seven, if not higher. I was no
lower than number seven. But I was the original executive
producer and was the original executive producer and creator of
all the financial news stuff there. And yeah, I was
back there when we didn't know what we were doing,
(03:09):
but we know how to tell the truth.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Okay, Well, with that background, and you have covered financial
stuff for a long time. At the end of SDW show,
the story breaks and people are just all a twitter
if you will, about Bretta buying I guess now nine
percent of Ruger's stock. Why don't you start from the
beginning about what what, how that developed, how you heard
(03:35):
about it, and what's going on?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Well? I heard about it through this crazy thing called
the SEC required filings, and Ruger had to disclose that
they had bought a significant share seven and a half
percent I think at the time of the of the
public stock available in Ruger.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Oh yeah, Breta, Yeah, Bretta had purchased Bretta purchased out
of Ruger.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah, okay, yeah, And it was Bretta Holdings, not Baretta USA,
Bretta Holdings, European holding group that essentially owns everything connected
with the five hundred years of Moretta. And they had
to disclose that because that's the rules, you have to
disclose it. And in that filing they said, we are
(04:24):
buying this simply as an investment. We have no future plans.
We have some commonalities that we think will work between
us and Ruger, and we want to talk about them.
And that's it. We're not going to say anymore. And
they haven't.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
And yet no one is placated by that, are they
not for a minute, especially when it came out at
NASUW that they were continuing to buy stock to nine percent.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Now they're up to nine percent. And Ruger felt it
necessary to take measures to prevent what would essentially be
a hostile takeover, so.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
They put in a poison pill provision. And I guess
when if Ruger I mean right corrects it. If Barretta
ends up getting to ten percent ownership of Ruger, then
this provision kicks in and Barretta can't buy the discount,
but everybody else can buy Ruger stock at a fifty
percent discount. How'd I do? Right?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Right, that's the way it works. That's very well done.
I had been dealing with poison pills and greenmailers since
the eighties, and I was taught by two pretty good
guys at it. One of them was Erwin Jacobs, who
at one point owned FLW and a bunch of the
boat companies. He was when I met him, he was
(05:54):
known as Irwin the Liquidator because he started buying up
your company, you were getting busted up. He was going
to sell off the dogs, keep the good stuff, and
then he would spend all that stuff off. The other
one was T. Boone Pickens, who was quite the character
and pretty good at it himself. He was the guy
(06:15):
who the term green mail was invented for. It was
a combination of green for money and mail for blackmail. Right,
and that's when the poison pill got it's actually poison pills.
What everybody knows it by it's called the Shareholder Protection Act,
(06:37):
and what it says is exactly what you say. If
Ruger gets to one share over ten percent the board
of Ruger has the authority to say to all of
the other shareholders, we will sell you an equal amount
of shares to what you hold at a fifty percent
(07:00):
discount to the market price that day. What that does,
in simple terms, is it dilutes the significant holding of
Barretta down below that ten percent threshold. But it also
significantly raises the price of what they'd have to pay
to get back to ten percent.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Okay, let me ask you this. At at a certain point,
does Bretta end up with a seat on the board
of Ruger for having all the stock?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Well, you know, you would think that they will be entitled.
Here's I'm going to give you the insider here on
this whole deal. A shareholder Protection Act is designed to
bring the parties to the table to make them talk,
and this one is absolutely designed that way. Because Barretta's
(07:57):
original filing said they saw areas of mutual interest and
mutual benefit that they planned to discuss with Ruger. Then
they went absolutely radio silent. They would not answer calls,
(08:17):
they would not talk to anyone from Ruger. If they
agreed to go to US, Switzerland or Italy. The holding
companies in Switzerland, the Moretta family is of course owns Italy,
the good parts of it anyway, and they have gone
silent on it. But at the same time they were
(08:37):
still buying up shares. It's still want.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Well exactly so, and trying to figure out what's going on.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Yeah, is Barretta trying to take over Ruger? I had
no idea, but I do know that Barretta Holding has
done similar things in Europe and taken over companies the
same way. Get that Ruger has. Barretta has a lot
(09:13):
of things more than Barretta. They're not your show.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yes, oh yeah, they got a lot of things.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
They got electro optics, they got high end stuff, They've
got all kinds of holdings, and it is sent around
five hundred years. You tend to play the long game,
said orders.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yes, we're thinking three months at a time, and Peretta
is the oldest company on the planet in continuous existence.
For people to understand that, Jim, hold on here a second.
We're talking with Jim Shepherd from the Outdoor Wire, the
Shooting Wire. I want to take a quick break. We'
when to come back. I want to talk about what
just happened with glocks. You can give us some insight
on that as well. Hey, everybody, don't go far. We're
(09:54):
just going to step aside for a second here, but
we'll be back with more of this news. This is
crazy business news that really may affect what happens to
the companies that we really like, both Bretta and Ruger
and Marlon and who knows what else. Will have some
uptake on that and some updates when we come back.
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Back quick you here we're talking with Jim Shepherd from
the outdoor wire, the shooting wire, the dealer wire, all
the other wires. Just go to outdoor the outdoor wire
and you'll figure it all out. Jim. The other story
that broke when you were at any SGW is this
crazy thing with glock, and you had the story out
of California with CALIFORNI your banning blocks and then blocks
saying we're going to discontinue almost the entire line of
(13:06):
pistols to bring out the V line. What's going on here.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Well, it's it's a I think a very smart tactical
response to it. Has not really anything to do directly
with the California band. It has to do with we're
making time changes that will make it harder to make
(13:33):
the block switch to take that thing to full augmatic. Right,
you're not a gunfight in the phone booth. I don't
know whistle automatic block gives you, but hey, whatever. You know,
it's an interesting sound light show. I guess.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
So they're going to discontinue pretty much all the double stacks,
keep the single stacks, and then bring out a new line.
I call them the V line, which doesn't enable you
to use the switch, but also doesn't it give them
a chance to clean up their line.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
It absolutely does. It will enable them to simplify the SKUs.
They've got, you know, ten thousands, I don't know, Yeah,
too many SKUs for basically the second gun up or downsized,
And it will you know, it's not going to materially
change the glock. It's still going to have a twenty
(14:26):
percent of the parts of the nineteen eleven. It's still
going to be you know, robust, reliable combat upperware, whatever
you want to call it. I mean, a glock is block.
It's it's you know, that's like trying to discuss hammers, right,
it just works, supposed to do?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
It works? Yeah, you pick it up, it works there
it is. I mean, that's people, how do you describe
a glock? It just works? You know, it may not
be the most ergonomically designed, it may not be svelt,
it may not be you know, a great feeling in
your hand. But if you just want something that you
know to go into a fight, it's a pretty good choice.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Well yeah, and that's exactly has been the reason that's
probably the most deployed handgun on the planet in the
modern days, because it's simple to work on. It's you know,
it's a hammer. It's easy. You can get to start shooting,
you can learn the basics. I don't shoot blocks better
(15:28):
than the ones I do shoot. Don't figure that out.
It's because I'm more interested than how than how it looks,
than how it shoots, because I'm primarily a pitdle around you,
is it like, yeah, the small one. Because if I
have to give a gun away, it's because I have
to use it. I can get another block pretty.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Easy, exactly. And let me do this now we're starting
to lose your your cell there, partner. I appreciate your time.
Jim Shephard from the Outdoor Wire the Shooting Wire, and
check those out, I mean literally coming out every day.
They're free to go to your website, to your email,
and you can keep up with all of these things.
(16:10):
If you just go to the Outdoor Wire, you could
start there and find the arrest of them, Jim, thank you.
I'm sorry about the cell phone coverage. We just for
whatever happened, I don't know, you switched to a different
Hower or something. So fascinating explanation. I knew that he
would be the guy because he has covered financial stories
for many years, and yeah, he was employee number seven,
maybe six, maybe five at CNN and the Lord the
(16:33):
stories from the early days with Ted Turner, Holy con
he also we didn't mention this, Yeah, I can mention it.
He was partners with and worked with g. Gordon Lyddie
way back. So many interesting stories from the old days,
to be sure. So that's what's going on with the
(16:54):
Glock story, with the Ruger story, with the bread of story.
I think at this point, honestly, we probably have more
questions that we have answers at this point. It's a
little bit crazy, all right. This story from Science or
Central sending this out said they're applauding the ATF, something
(17:16):
that doesn't happen very often, but says the ATF is
resuming the form for approvals for suppressors. For a while there,
with the government shutdown, ATF stopped approving the forms that
were coming on the request for approval for suppressors, and
(17:37):
everything was just sitting there, And now the ATF is
going back to work and they are approving suppressor sales
and said before the shutdown they were said they were
getting approvals in twenty four hours. We'll see what happens there.
But that's a heck of a story there with of course,
the other part of it is at the end of
this year there will be no more two hundred dollars
(17:59):
ten on suppressors. But weird enough, you still have to
submit the Forum four. You still have to get the
approval of the ATF, even though there's no tax associated
with it. Well, that lends itself to what would what
else would it be a lawsuit because originally the nineteen
(18:20):
thirty four NFA National Firearms Act was a tax. It
was a tax act. And the whole basis for the
tax stamp on suppressors and machine guns and shortbear rifles
and short barrel shotguns is that it's a tax. If
there's no tax, can there actually be a restriction? Can
(18:45):
there be a requirement to register these things? Because there's
no law pass that says you have to register, there's
a loss, says you have to pay a tax on them,
and as part of the tax, you have to register them. So,
as you might expect, there's a very large lawsuit has
been filed to ask the courts to say, yeah, actually
(19:09):
there should be no registration of suppressors. Whether are not
the courts are willing at this point and ready to
deregulate machine guns. I think probably is a big no.
I think we can get the restrictions, the regulations taken
(19:30):
off of suppressors, but I think just from a perception standpoint,
it's going to be difficult to take the restrictions off
of fol audo guns. They should be taken off. You
know before nineteen thirty four when this act was passed
and hebody could buy a foll auto machine gun. And
(19:51):
once again, the only people missed using that were criminals
because that's what they do and they don't really care
what the laws are anyway, as evidence by the glock switch,
because this is illegal. You can't do this, that's a
federal felaty Yeah right, watch me. I mean the criminals,
they don't care. So what would be interesting question, kind
(20:18):
of mental exercise, what would be the logical result of
getting rid of all regulations on full auto guns. If
anybody could buy just like go into a gun store
and buy a full auto gun, well, of course, the
first thing that would happen was the price of them
would fall crazy, because I mean, you're paying forty thousand
(20:41):
dollars for machine guns now, And he said yeah, and
you can't, oh yeah, own a newly manufactured full auto
firearm and probably buy it for a couple of grand
Here's a question for you. Would you be interested in
buying one? Would you buy a machine gun, a full
(21:03):
lot of gun if you could buy it four thousand
to two thousand dollars basically the cost of a high
endar something like that, because it doesn't cost anymore to
make them than a doesnt ar. Would you like to
have one? I know I would. They're fun to shoot.
(21:24):
Are there practical uses of a machine gun that would
appeal to you? Yeah? Yeah, I think so. In terms
of self defense, yeah, you give me a full auto
or select fire ar with a can on it as
a home defense gun, simply better. If it's not better,
(21:47):
then the police wouldn't use them. If it's not better
for that situation, then the military wouldn't use them. And
I'm not talking about suppressive fire I'm just talking about
being able to put three shots on target instantly, as
opposed to semi otto. The other part of it is,
of course they're just fun. If you've not shot one,
you put it to yourself to find a friend who
(22:08):
has one, or go to one of the places where
you can rent them. And there are a lot of
places where you can rent machine guns and you can
shoot them because they are in fact just that much fun.
So what I got the question on the floor is
would you buy one? If you could, you didn't have
to go through all that paperwork and you could afford
it much an interesting thought process. Our number here is
(22:29):
eight sixty six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. Hey,
this is Tom Gresham. We hope you enjoyed this reloaded version.
I've got you here eight six six Talk Gun or
Tom Talk Gun. I did want to do a follow
up here. We had Jim Shepherd on a little while
ago from the Outdoor Wire. Two things I forgot to mention.
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off with the outdoor Wire dot Com. All right, like one,
let's grab al out of Mountain Home, Arkansas. Hello, al,
how can we help you?
Speaker 10 (23:47):
Hey, greetings tom My grandsons have taken up skeet shooting,
trap shooting and and my oldest grandson, Grant, he is
he's getting like sixteen eighteen birds out of a set, okay.
(24:10):
And I've seen inside different clubs. I've been to a
map kind of on the wall where it says if
you're on post one, you know, aim two inches or
four feet or something different.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, let me let me ask you. You mentioned two
different types of games that are very different. There's skeet
and then there's trap, and they are very much not
the same. Which one are they shooting?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
No, do we lose al you?
Speaker 10 (24:48):
No, I'm here, I just don't know. I think it's trap.
It's the one where they've got two houses. I think
right and left.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
All right, that's if it's if you've got two houses,
that ski. If you have one trap house, that's called trap.
So you got if they're shooting skeet, you've got a
high house and a low house, and you've got eight stations,
and you work your way around, you know, honestly, and
probably your grandsons already know this. If you just go online,
(25:21):
they can look up a diagram of skeet and where
to hold. Uh, And it really isn't And you're right,
it's very important to know where to hold. Basically, where's
the gun going to be pointing, and where is your
eye going to be looking? And where is your intersection
point and where do you plan to break the bird?
(25:44):
Because you need to have all those figured out ahead
of time and then it goes very smoothly.
Speaker 10 (25:48):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
And they can find those online. I'm just looking. I
did a little quick search and I found them all
over the place. But yeah, so they're talking about skeet shooting.
You've got a high house, a low house, and you
shoot a high house, a low house and a double
from one and two and in six and seven, and
then of course you go to that middle station, the
eight number eight station, which is really fun because they
(26:09):
come not exactly over your head but pretty close to
over your head, and it's just super fast, and skeet's
a lot of fun, but it's very different from trap. Trap.
The targets are going away from you, and skeet they're
crossing in front of you. So yeah, and NSSF may
be a good source. There's also the oh what is
the National Shoot Skeet Shooting Association. It's another place, but
(26:33):
I would think that, honestly, frankly, if they're on a
team and I'm clearly we have lost out on the
cell phone call, I would think if they're on a team,
the coach would have that information and they can look
that up. But there's also a website called Todd Bender's
Performance System. He's got a skeet cheat sheet. Todd Bender
(26:54):
International dot Com is a way to go there, so
there are a lot of sources for that. I appreciate
the call. You know, a lot of people don't realize
that skating trap are still very popular, maybe more popular
than they ever have been, and a lot of youngsters
are getting into that because there are a number of schools,
both high schools and obviously colleges where you can shoot
(27:18):
on a team. It is and somebody pointed this out
to me, and I didn't take it in at first.
I actually had to give us some thought. They said,
you know, shooting is the safest high school sport. What
I said, yeah, nobody gets hurt. Shooting just doesn't happen.
(27:39):
It's just, you know, you get hurt playing football, obviously, baseball, volleyball, basketball,
all sorts of these sports injuries. You don't have any
of that. Shooting. It's amazingly safe because obviously we're working
with firearms and we have very strict safety rules, and
(28:00):
when you break one, you get asked to leave, and
nobody wants to get asked to leave. So it's interesting.
I hadn't thought of it that way. I remember going
to Sparta, Illinois after the Grand American Trap Shoot was
moved from Van Dale, Ohio, and they have a mile long.
(28:24):
I mean, the trap feels one after another that goes
for a mile, maybe a mile and a quarter now.
And we had a day where they had young shooters
there and they were starting at like age eight or nine,
really young kids, and all of them were amazingly polite
and careful and respectful and good gun handlers, and they
(28:48):
were serious shooters. And I mean we're talking about I
think there were like twelve hundred young shooters there that day.
It was amazing to see that process. If you have
a child or a grandchild who might be interested in
organized shooting, sure would encourage you to move them in
(29:11):
that direction. There are a lot of life lessons there, responsibility, accountability, safety, discipline, concentration,
and I just think that generally speaking, those who come
through and out of competitive shooting turn out, generally speaking
to be pretty good people. Not one hundred percent, clearly,
(29:33):
but I think it's a pretty good avenue. And you
know what the other part of it is, you don't
have to be big, you don't have to be fast.
You just have to be able to focus. And if
you can do that, you can become a pretty darn
good shooter. All right, quick break here back in a
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They coming up on the show in just a little bit.
We're going to have a range report from somebody who
took the firearms training class from every Town every Town
for Gun Safety, which of course is a gun band group,
but they've decided that they're going to become a gun
(32:22):
of course, they've always claimed they were a gun safety group,
and now they're going to be a firearm training organization. Yeah,
it turned out about like you would think, but we'll
have some details on that. All right. Here's a crazy story,
crazy story. Where was this? Baltimore, Maryland, armed police handcuffed
(32:45):
and searched a student at a high school after an
AI Artificial intelligence, an AI driven security system flagged the
teen's empty bag of door Rito's as a firearm. Yeah,
(33:06):
what could go wrong? Let's use AI for our security.
The police were called. Student named Taki Taki Takai Alan.
He said, they made me get on my knees, put
my hands behind my back, and cuffed me. After AI
(33:29):
looked at this and said he has a gun. It's
a bag of Dorito's. So they starts being figured out.
I had nothing, he said. At first, I was wondering
was I about to die? Because they had a gun
pointed at me. Eight cop cars pulled up because a
(33:51):
security system a camera linked to a computer for some reason,
the shape of this bad go to Rito's in this
kid's hand. This thing thought it was a gun. It
is entirely possible that they could have killed this kid.
(34:16):
When the cops are called and they roar in there
and report of somebody with a gun, and they come
in with their guns out, and unfortunately, because of the training,
it's just not that very good. Many times they got
their fingers on the trigger. They're excited, they're ramped up,
they're amped up, and they're often scared. Really possible, very
(34:40):
easy for somebody to twitch just a little bit and
somebody gets shot. They're gonna go back and look at
this system and says, you wonder what we did wrong. Yeah,
I can tell you what you did wrong. You count
on a machine to provide security. Ah boy, the stuff
(35:01):
out there. Oh. At the we were talking about some
of the awards at the NASDW. Here's another award here.
Ruber and Magpoll announced that the RX and Pistol was
awarded both the best New Handgun and Best New Overall
Product at the NASDW. POMA Awards. POMA is the Professional
(35:25):
Outdoor Media Association. It's a group that I helped start.
Four of us started POMA about twenty five years ago.
Before that, there was the Outdoor Writers Association of America.
I was on the board of that organization a couple
of different times. My dad was the president. And then OWAA,
which was for people who wrote about hanging fishing, decided
(35:47):
to get woke. They went anti NRA, they went green,
and they went high diversity. And when they went to
a total anti NRA bent, three hundred of us resigned
and four of us, John Phillips, Jim Zumbo, Wayne Fears
(36:07):
and me got together and said, hey, let's form a
new group. And we formed a group called POMA, a
Professional Outdoor Media Association. It still exists. If you are
a communicator in the outdoor world, I would suggest that
you take a look at POMA. Maybe you ought to
belong to it. It's a really good support network for
(36:30):
what you do. But just I thought I would share
that story about at a certain point and look. I
grew up as a member of OWAA. I was the
youngest ever member because you have to have professional credentials
and have been published a good bit. And I was
able to join OWAA at the age of eighteen. No
one had ever been able to get in at that
(36:51):
young age. And I was a member for many, many years.
And it was sad to see it go woke, to
see it go crazy the way it did. I hated it.
I hated watching what happened to it. But at the
same time I couldn't sit there and be a part
of a group that said okay, we are Well how
(37:14):
did they do it? It's not like they were castigating
the NRE. They put out a statement challenging the na
basically saying the NRA was wrong with what they were
saying about the Second Amendment. And I said, you know no,
I mean we're talking twenty five years ago, way way,
way way long before LaPier and all that. And we said,
(37:35):
now we can't be a part of this anymore. And
we walked out. More than three hundred of us did,
and I think probably the membership at that point was
fifteen hundred or so, so it was a significant number.
And we said, you know, we're going to form our
own group. Well, actually we all walked out without a
plan at all. And then the four of us got
(37:55):
together and said, you know, let's just go ahead and
do this thing. And we got together at a shot
show called a meeting. I remember the four of us
standing up in front of this group and said, all right,
this is what we want to do. Does anybody else
want to do this with us? And we had probably
a room of thirty or forty people. Everybody said yeah,
let's do this. Well, no, that's not what they said.
(38:16):
They said, Yeah, let's you guys do this thing. That's
how it works, isn't it. It's not like we're all
going to do this together. It's oh, yeah, we're all
in favor of it. You guys go ahead and do that.
Oh okay, I see what we're up to now. So
we pulled it together. I think we ended up starting
off with nine people to meet. And I'm really good
(38:38):
at naming things, products and organizations and things, and I
came up with a name, and I jumped online and
grabbed the url so we would have the website for it,
and we were off and running and we created the
POMA Professional Outdoor Media Association. So anyway, that was the
group that just named the Ruger, RXm, Ruger and Magpol together.
(38:58):
Is this collaborative effort. Now it's called a collab of course,
because it's just so much harder to say collaborative or collaboration.
I don't know, weird stuff, but it's cute to be
in with. Have the slang and the internal jargon. It's
how we differentiate. It's how we keep people out of
our groups. Right to come up with jargon always been
(39:20):
that way. I'll be right back. Well, obviously I was
not here last week, and I appreciate Ryan and the
crew filling in and doing the show. And they did
it as a video as well. If you didn't see it,
(39:42):
you can go onto our YouTube channel or some of
our other channels and look for gun Talk and you'll
see them basically doing the gun Talk radio show, but
as a video, as a podcast with a lot of
people involved and had lots of good information. We appreciate that.
The reason I couldn't do the show last week, well chosen.
It's because I chose to be in elk camp elk hunting.
(40:05):
Of course, I got my moose. I got freight trained
a few weeks ago. By the way, had elk or
freight train this morning with moose sausage and fried egg
yubby moose meat is delicious. So flew out into the
frank Church River of No Return wilderness area. So I
(40:28):
flew myself. Now, then we unloaded that man, eat it
all up. We got it packed up on pack mules,
and I get on a horse and I'm ride in
a pack train and we go way back and then
there's a drop camp there and so there are actually
five of us in camp four of us have tags.
One our buddy, Bread's just kind of support and having
(40:49):
fun with us. We had a great time. John, our
neighbor and friend. He got a nice mature bull elk
first day, and Mike and his son Tanor passed up
some four buys first day. I hunted the entire week
(41:11):
without seeing or hearing an elk, bull or cow. I
don't know if it was the hunting God's saying, yeah,
you're good. You've got a freezer full of moose meat.
You don't need anything, So okay. I had my three
thirty eight out six and actually improved my rifle with me.
I was ready, and I hiked a well, I hiked
(41:31):
as far as I could hike. I can't go as
high in as far as some of these younger guys can,
but I did what I could do. But I just
wasn't in the right place or they weren't in the
right place. Did get to seek a couple of moose,
A love sick bull chasing this cow, great big cow.
We watched that show for about an hour. It was
(41:53):
kind of like a junior high kid, you know, in
love with the you know, the seventh grader in love
with the ninth grade. That ain't happening. She was having
none of it. But it was fun to watch the
whole show. It's like mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom or
something out there. But we were camping out, We got
rained down a little bit, got snowed on a little bit.
It was just a great old time. And each of
(42:16):
us brings a dinner or two, and each night somebody
else is responsible for making dinner. That worked out really well.
It's a great time. It's not as much about the
hunting after you've done it a few years ago. Yeah,
you know, just getting out with the friends, swapping stories
(42:37):
and just the experience of camping out got a little
bit chilly. I got my system. I take one sleeping
bag and I slide it in sight of the other
sleeping bag. Take two bags and that way. If it's warmer,
you go down to one bag. If it gets really cold,
you can put two of them together and you're good
to go. So that was my experience. Now we are
(43:02):
looking at deer season, so the tag I have from
Mule Deer starts on November one. Won't be able to
go out there until the third because I have to
be here. Of course, to do the radio show on
the second. We'll do that. But now it's like, okay,
well I'm not going to take the three thirty eight
out six for that. I think I'm taking my new
two fifty seven Roberts actually improved out for that, shooting
(43:26):
the NOS one hundred and fifteen grain ballistic tip bullet,
going back and forth between that and the two sixty Remington.
But you know the great part about deer, it doesn't
really matter. You can shoot them with pretty much anything.
If you hit them, you're going to get them, as
simple as that. But for me, you know me, I
like my gear. There's a reason that I've had friends
(43:47):
that dubbed me Gadget Gresham because I do like the gear.
So there you go. Hey, when we come back, a
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Hey, this is Tom Gresham. We hope you enjoyed this
reloaded version. Also, glad to be here. I'll tell you what.
Let's just keep doing this thing. I'm Tom Gresham. This
is gun talk. We join right now by an old friend,
longtime friend, a guy that no matter what happens, I
stand beside him because and behind him because well I
don't trust it in front of him. Let's just put
(00:49):
it that way. Jeff Shephard created the entire megalopolis of
the shooting wire, the outdoor wire, and all the other wires.
He is a longtime journalist, like reel journalist, and an
outdoor guy.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Hey doing partner, I'm doing great. Thank you for you
In a long time rather than old, although both are correct.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, well there you go right back, right back at you.
I figure you're talking about me as well. All right,
so I want to at least tell people what the
wires are so they know where you're coming from. Here.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Well, we are essentially the daily news paper for the
outdoor industry. Just we have enough little news outlets that
we can cover about anything you want, from archer to
dealer specials for dealers only. But the outdoor Wires started.
(01:43):
I found this hard to believe twenty five years ago. Holy,
we've been around a while. Yeah, so we are. We're there,
We're hard to find. You go to the internet and
type in the Outdoor Wiring for a file, and then
you can look at all the others because I don't.
Every time I try to list all of them, I
(02:04):
leave one or two out and I have an angry
editor calling me.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
Of course.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Just go to the outdoor wire dot com and you
can see what we do and what's going on. And
if you go, if you go this afternoon, I found
out do a wrinkle and her program and I'm going
to fix you can see the wire for tomorrow. I
used to be there, but it is.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
You could we could look into the future.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
Yeah, well I'm better at looking at the past, but yeah,
we can do that.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
All right. So then to tell people, Yeah, and your background,
people shaid, no, I mean you've done like real journalism
and real you know, media stuff. You were one of
the original employees founders of CNN.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I think number seven, if not higher. I was no
lower than number seven. But I was the original executive
producer and was the original executive producer and creator of
all the financial news stuff there. And yeah, I was
back there when we didn't know what we were doing,
(03:09):
but we know how to tell the truth.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Okay, Well, with that background, and you have covered financial
stuff for a long time. At the end of SDW show,
the story breaks and people are just all a twitter
if you will, about Bretta buying I guess now nine
percent of Ruger's stock. Why don't you start from the
beginning about what what, how that developed, how you heard
(03:35):
about it, and what's going on?
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Well? I heard about it through this crazy thing called
the SEC required filings, and Ruger had to disclose that
they had bought a significant share seven and a half
percent I think at the time of the of the
public stock available in Ruger.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Oh yeah, Breta, Yeah, Bretta had purchased Bretta purchased out
of Ruger.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
Yeah, okay, yeah, And it was Bretta Holdings, not Baretta USA,
Bretta Holdings, European holding group that essentially owns everything connected
with the five hundred years of Moretta. And they had
to disclose that because that's the rules, you have to
disclose it. And in that filing they said, we are
(04:24):
buying this simply as an investment. We have no future plans.
We have some commonalities that we think will work between
us and Ruger, and we want to talk about them.
And that's it. We're not going to say anymore. And
they haven't.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
And yet no one is placated by that, are they
not for a minute, especially when it came out at
NASUW that they were continuing to buy stock to nine percent.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Now they're up to nine percent. And Ruger felt it
necessary to take measures to prevent what would essentially be
a hostile takeover, so.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
They put in a poison pill provision. And I guess
when if Ruger I mean right corrects it. If Barretta
ends up getting to ten percent ownership of Ruger, then
this provision kicks in and Barretta can't buy the discount,
but everybody else can buy Ruger stock at a fifty
percent discount. How'd I do? Right?
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Right, that's the way it works. That's very well done.
I had been dealing with poison pills and greenmailers since
the eighties, and I was taught by two pretty good
guys at it. One of them was Erwin Jacobs, who
at one point owned FLW and a bunch of the
boat companies. He was when I met him, he was
(05:54):
known as Irwin the Liquidator because he started buying up
your company, you were getting busted up. He was going
to sell off the dogs, keep the good stuff, and
then he would spend all that stuff off. The other
one was T. Boone Pickens, who was quite the character
and pretty good at it himself. He was the guy
(06:15):
who the term green mail was invented for. It was
a combination of green for money and mail for blackmail. Right,
and that's when the poison pill got it's actually poison pills.
What everybody knows it by it's called the Shareholder Protection Act,
(06:37):
and what it says is exactly what you say. If
Ruger gets to one share over ten percent the board
of Ruger has the authority to say to all of
the other shareholders, we will sell you an equal amount
of shares to what you hold at a fifty percent
(07:00):
discount to the market price that day. What that does,
in simple terms, is it dilutes the significant holding of
Barretta down below that ten percent threshold. But it also
significantly raises the price of what they'd have to pay
to get back to ten percent.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Okay, let me ask you this. At at a certain point,
does Bretta end up with a seat on the board
of Ruger for having all the stock?
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Well, you know, you would think that they will be entitled.
Here's I'm going to give you the insider here on
this whole deal. A shareholder Protection Act is designed to
bring the parties to the table to make them talk,
and this one is absolutely designed that way. Because Barretta's
(07:57):
original filing said they saw areas of mutual interest and
mutual benefit that they planned to discuss with Ruger. Then
they went absolutely radio silent. They would not answer calls,
(08:17):
they would not talk to anyone from Ruger. If they
agreed to go to US, Switzerland or Italy. The holding
companies in Switzerland, the Moretta family is of course owns Italy,
the good parts of it anyway, and they have gone
silent on it. But at the same time they were
(08:37):
still buying up shares. It's still want.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Well exactly so, and trying to figure out what's going on.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Yeah, is Barretta trying to take over Ruger? I had
no idea, but I do know that Barretta Holding has
done similar things in Europe and taken over companies the
same way. Get that Ruger has. Barretta has a lot
(09:13):
of things more than Barretta. They're not your show.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yes, oh yeah, they got a lot of things.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
They got electro optics, they got high end stuff, They've
got all kinds of holdings, and it is sent around
five hundred years. You tend to play the long game,
said orders.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yes, we're thinking three months at a time, and Peretta
is the oldest company on the planet in continuous existence.
For people to understand that, Jim, hold on here a second.
We're talking with Jim Shepherd from the Outdoor Wire, the
Shooting Wire. I want to take a quick break. We'
when to come back. I want to talk about what
just happened with glocks. You can give us some insight
on that as well. Hey, everybody, don't go far. We're
(09:54):
just going to step aside for a second here, but
we'll be back with more of this news. This is
crazy business news that really may affect what happens to
the companies that we really like, both Bretta and Ruger
and Marlon and who knows what else. Will have some
uptake on that and some updates when we come back.
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Hey Tom, Dave's faulding from handgun combatives.
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I don't know if you realize it.
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So continued good luck partner, by.
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Back quick you here we're talking with Jim Shepherd from
the outdoor wire, the shooting wire, the dealer wire, all
the other wires. Just go to outdoor the outdoor wire
and you'll figure it all out. Jim. The other story
that broke when you were at any SGW is this
crazy thing with glock, and you had the story out
of California with CALIFORNI your banning blocks and then blocks
saying we're going to discontinue almost the entire line of
(13:06):
pistols to bring out the V line. What's going on here.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Well, it's it's a I think a very smart tactical
response to it. Has not really anything to do directly
with the California band. It has to do with we're
making time changes that will make it harder to make
(13:33):
the block switch to take that thing to full augmatic. Right,
you're not a gunfight in the phone booth. I don't
know whistle automatic block gives you, but hey, whatever. You know,
it's an interesting sound light show. I guess.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
So they're going to discontinue pretty much all the double stacks,
keep the single stacks, and then bring out a new line.
I call them the V line, which doesn't enable you
to use the switch, but also doesn't it give them
a chance to clean up their line.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
It absolutely does. It will enable them to simplify the SKUs.
They've got, you know, ten thousands, I don't know, Yeah,
too many SKUs for basically the second gun up or downsized,
And it will you know, it's not going to materially
change the glock. It's still going to have a twenty
(14:26):
percent of the parts of the nineteen eleven. It's still
going to be you know, robust, reliable combat upperware, whatever
you want to call it. I mean, a glock is block.
It's it's you know, that's like trying to discuss hammers, right,
it just works, supposed to do?
Speaker 3 (14:43):
It works? Yeah, you pick it up, it works there
it is. I mean, that's people, how do you describe
a glock? It just works? You know, it may not
be the most ergonomically designed, it may not be svelt,
it may not be you know, a great feeling in
your hand. But if you just want something that you
know to go into a fight, it's a pretty good choice.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Well yeah, and that's exactly has been the reason that's
probably the most deployed handgun on the planet in the
modern days, because it's simple to work on. It's you know,
it's a hammer. It's easy. You can get to start shooting,
you can learn the basics. I don't shoot blocks better
(15:28):
than the ones I do shoot. Don't figure that out.
It's because I'm more interested than how than how it looks,
than how it shoots, because I'm primarily a pitdle around you,
is it like, yeah, the small one. Because if I
have to give a gun away, it's because I have
to use it. I can get another block pretty.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Easy, exactly. And let me do this now we're starting
to lose your your cell there, partner. I appreciate your time.
Jim Shephard from the Outdoor Wire the Shooting Wire, and
check those out, I mean literally coming out every day.
They're free to go to your website, to your email,
and you can keep up with all of these things.
(16:10):
If you just go to the Outdoor Wire, you could
start there and find the arrest of them, Jim, thank you.
I'm sorry about the cell phone coverage. We just for
whatever happened, I don't know, you switched to a different
Hower or something. So fascinating explanation. I knew that he
would be the guy because he has covered financial stories
for many years, and yeah, he was employee number seven,
maybe six, maybe five at CNN and the Lord the
(16:33):
stories from the early days with Ted Turner, Holy con
he also we didn't mention this, Yeah, I can mention it.
He was partners with and worked with g. Gordon Lyddie
way back. So many interesting stories from the old days,
to be sure. So that's what's going on with the
(16:54):
Glock story, with the Ruger story, with the bread of story.
I think at this point, honestly, we probably have more
questions that we have answers at this point. It's a
little bit crazy, all right. This story from Science or
Central sending this out said they're applauding the ATF, something
(17:16):
that doesn't happen very often, but says the ATF is
resuming the form for approvals for suppressors. For a while there,
with the government shutdown, ATF stopped approving the forms that
were coming on the request for approval for suppressors, and
(17:37):
everything was just sitting there, And now the ATF is
going back to work and they are approving suppressor sales
and said before the shutdown they were said they were
getting approvals in twenty four hours. We'll see what happens there.
But that's a heck of a story there with of course,
the other part of it is at the end of
this year there will be no more two hundred dollars
(17:59):
ten on suppressors. But weird enough, you still have to
submit the Forum four. You still have to get the
approval of the ATF, even though there's no tax associated
with it. Well, that lends itself to what would what
else would it be a lawsuit because originally the nineteen
(18:20):
thirty four NFA National Firearms Act was a tax. It
was a tax act. And the whole basis for the
tax stamp on suppressors and machine guns and shortbear rifles
and short barrel shotguns is that it's a tax. If
there's no tax, can there actually be a restriction? Can
(18:45):
there be a requirement to register these things? Because there's
no law pass that says you have to register, there's
a loss, says you have to pay a tax on them,
and as part of the tax, you have to register them. So,
as you might expect, there's a very large lawsuit has
been filed to ask the courts to say, yeah, actually
(19:09):
there should be no registration of suppressors. Whether are not
the courts are willing at this point and ready to
deregulate machine guns. I think probably is a big no.
I think we can get the restrictions, the regulations taken
(19:30):
off of suppressors, but I think just from a perception standpoint,
it's going to be difficult to take the restrictions off
of fol audo guns. They should be taken off. You
know before nineteen thirty four when this act was passed
and hebody could buy a foll auto machine gun. And
(19:51):
once again, the only people missed using that were criminals
because that's what they do and they don't really care
what the laws are anyway, as evidence by the glock switch,
because this is illegal. You can't do this, that's a
federal felaty Yeah right, watch me. I mean the criminals,
they don't care. So what would be interesting question, kind
(20:18):
of mental exercise, what would be the logical result of
getting rid of all regulations on full auto guns. If
anybody could buy just like go into a gun store
and buy a full auto gun, well, of course, the
first thing that would happen was the price of them
would fall crazy, because I mean, you're paying forty thousand
(20:41):
dollars for machine guns now, And he said yeah, and
you can't, oh yeah, own a newly manufactured full auto
firearm and probably buy it for a couple of grand
Here's a question for you. Would you be interested in
buying one? Would you buy a machine gun, a full
(21:03):
lot of gun if you could buy it four thousand
to two thousand dollars basically the cost of a high
endar something like that, because it doesn't cost anymore to
make them than a doesnt ar. Would you like to
have one? I know I would. They're fun to shoot.
(21:24):
Are there practical uses of a machine gun that would
appeal to you? Yeah? Yeah, I think so. In terms
of self defense, yeah, you give me a full auto
or select fire ar with a can on it as
a home defense gun, simply better. If it's not better,
(21:47):
then the police wouldn't use them. If it's not better
for that situation, then the military wouldn't use them. And
I'm not talking about suppressive fire I'm just talking about
being able to put three shots on target instantly, as
opposed to semi otto. The other part of it is,
of course they're just fun. If you've not shot one,
you put it to yourself to find a friend who
(22:08):
has one, or go to one of the places where
you can rent them. And there are a lot of
places where you can rent machine guns and you can
shoot them because they are in fact just that much fun.
So what I got the question on the floor is
would you buy one? If you could, you didn't have
to go through all that paperwork and you could afford
it much an interesting thought process. Our number here is
(22:29):
eight sixty six Talk Gun or Tom Talk Gun. Hey,
this is Tom Gresham. We hope you enjoyed this reloaded version.
I've got you here eight six six Talk Gun or
Tom Talk Gun. I did want to do a follow
up here. We had Jim Shepherd on a little while
ago from the Outdoor Wire. Two things I forgot to mention.
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And it is really a great way to keep up
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(23:37):
off with the outdoor Wire dot Com. All right, like one,
let's grab al out of Mountain Home, Arkansas. Hello, al,
how can we help you?
Speaker 10 (23:47):
Hey, greetings tom My grandsons have taken up skeet shooting,
trap shooting and and my oldest grandson, Grant, he is
he's getting like sixteen eighteen birds out of a set, okay.
(24:10):
And I've seen inside different clubs. I've been to a
map kind of on the wall where it says if
you're on post one, you know, aim two inches or
four feet or something different.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, let me let me ask you. You mentioned two
different types of games that are very different. There's skeet
and then there's trap, and they are very much not
the same. Which one are they shooting?
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
No, do we lose al you?
Speaker 10 (24:48):
No, I'm here, I just don't know. I think it's trap.
It's the one where they've got two houses. I think
right and left.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
All right, that's if it's if you've got two houses,
that ski. If you have one trap house, that's called trap.
So you got if they're shooting skeet, you've got a
high house and a low house, and you've got eight stations,
and you work your way around, you know, honestly, and
probably your grandsons already know this. If you just go online,
(25:21):
they can look up a diagram of skeet and where
to hold. Uh, And it really isn't And you're right,
it's very important to know where to hold. Basically, where's
the gun going to be pointing, and where is your
eye going to be looking? And where is your intersection
point and where do you plan to break the bird?
(25:44):
Because you need to have all those figured out ahead
of time and then it goes very smoothly.
Speaker 10 (25:48):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
And they can find those online. I'm just looking. I
did a little quick search and I found them all
over the place. But yeah, so they're talking about skeet shooting.
You've got a high house, a low house, and you
shoot a high house, a low house and a double
from one and two and in six and seven, and
then of course you go to that middle station, the
eight number eight station, which is really fun because they
(26:09):
come not exactly over your head but pretty close to
over your head, and it's just super fast, and skeet's
a lot of fun, but it's very different from trap. Trap.
The targets are going away from you, and skeet they're
crossing in front of you. So yeah, and NSSF may
be a good source. There's also the oh what is
the National Shoot Skeet Shooting Association. It's another place, but
(26:33):
I would think that, honestly, frankly, if they're on a
team and I'm clearly we have lost out on the
cell phone call, I would think if they're on a team,
the coach would have that information and they can look
that up. But there's also a website called Todd Bender's
Performance System. He's got a skeet cheat sheet. Todd Bender
(26:54):
International dot Com is a way to go there, so
there are a lot of sources for that. I appreciate
the call. You know, a lot of people don't realize
that skating trap are still very popular, maybe more popular
than they ever have been, and a lot of youngsters
are getting into that because there are a number of schools,
both high schools and obviously colleges where you can shoot
(27:18):
on a team. It is and somebody pointed this out
to me, and I didn't take it in at first.
I actually had to give us some thought. They said,
you know, shooting is the safest high school sport. What
I said, yeah, nobody gets hurt. Shooting just doesn't happen.
(27:39):
It's just, you know, you get hurt playing football, obviously, baseball, volleyball, basketball,
all sorts of these sports injuries. You don't have any
of that. Shooting. It's amazingly safe because obviously we're working
with firearms and we have very strict safety rules, and
(28:00):
when you break one, you get asked to leave, and
nobody wants to get asked to leave. So it's interesting.
I hadn't thought of it that way. I remember going
to Sparta, Illinois after the Grand American Trap Shoot was
moved from Van Dale, Ohio, and they have a mile long.
(28:24):
I mean, the trap feels one after another that goes
for a mile, maybe a mile and a quarter now.
And we had a day where they had young shooters
there and they were starting at like age eight or nine,
really young kids, and all of them were amazingly polite
and careful and respectful and good gun handlers, and they
(28:48):
were serious shooters. And I mean we're talking about I
think there were like twelve hundred young shooters there that day.
It was amazing to see that process. If you have
a child or a grandchild who might be interested in
organized shooting, sure would encourage you to move them in
(29:11):
that direction. There are a lot of life lessons there, responsibility, accountability, safety, discipline, concentration,
and I just think that generally speaking, those who come
through and out of competitive shooting turn out, generally speaking
to be pretty good people. Not one hundred percent, clearly,
(29:33):
but I think it's a pretty good avenue. And you
know what the other part of it is, you don't
have to be big, you don't have to be fast.
You just have to be able to focus. And if
you can do that, you can become a pretty darn
good shooter. All right, quick break here back in a
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They coming up on the show in just a little bit.
We're going to have a range report from somebody who
took the firearms training class from every Town every Town
for Gun Safety, which of course is a gun band group,
but they've decided that they're going to become a gun
(32:22):
of course, they've always claimed they were a gun safety group,
and now they're going to be a firearm training organization. Yeah,
it turned out about like you would think, but we'll
have some details on that. All right. Here's a crazy story,
crazy story. Where was this? Baltimore, Maryland, armed police handcuffed
(32:45):
and searched a student at a high school after an
AI Artificial intelligence, an AI driven security system flagged the
teen's empty bag of door Rito's as a firearm. Yeah,
(33:06):
what could go wrong? Let's use AI for our security.
The police were called. Student named Taki Taki Takai Alan.
He said, they made me get on my knees, put
my hands behind my back, and cuffed me. After AI
(33:29):
looked at this and said he has a gun. It's
a bag of Dorito's. So they starts being figured out.
I had nothing, he said. At first, I was wondering
was I about to die? Because they had a gun
pointed at me. Eight cop cars pulled up because a
(33:51):
security system a camera linked to a computer for some reason,
the shape of this bad go to Rito's in this
kid's hand. This thing thought it was a gun. It
is entirely possible that they could have killed this kid.
(34:16):
When the cops are called and they roar in there
and report of somebody with a gun, and they come
in with their guns out, and unfortunately, because of the training,
it's just not that very good. Many times they got
their fingers on the trigger. They're excited, they're ramped up,
they're amped up, and they're often scared. Really possible, very
(34:40):
easy for somebody to twitch just a little bit and
somebody gets shot. They're gonna go back and look at
this system and says, you wonder what we did wrong. Yeah,
I can tell you what you did wrong. You count
on a machine to provide security. Ah boy, the stuff
(35:01):
out there. Oh. At the we were talking about some
of the awards at the NASDW. Here's another award here.
Ruber and Magpoll announced that the RX and Pistol was
awarded both the best New Handgun and Best New Overall
Product at the NASDW. POMA Awards. POMA is the Professional
(35:25):
Outdoor Media Association. It's a group that I helped start.
Four of us started POMA about twenty five years ago.
Before that, there was the Outdoor Writers Association of America.
I was on the board of that organization a couple
of different times. My dad was the president. And then OWAA,
which was for people who wrote about hanging fishing, decided
(35:47):
to get woke. They went anti NRA, they went green,
and they went high diversity. And when they went to
a total anti NRA bent, three hundred of us resigned
and four of us, John Phillips, Jim Zumbo, Wayne Fears
(36:07):
and me got together and said, hey, let's form a
new group. And we formed a group called POMA, a
Professional Outdoor Media Association. It still exists. If you are
a communicator in the outdoor world, I would suggest that
you take a look at POMA. Maybe you ought to
belong to it. It's a really good support network for
(36:30):
what you do. But just I thought I would share
that story about at a certain point and look. I
grew up as a member of OWAA. I was the
youngest ever member because you have to have professional credentials
and have been published a good bit. And I was
able to join OWAA at the age of eighteen. No
one had ever been able to get in at that
(36:51):
young age. And I was a member for many, many years.
And it was sad to see it go woke, to
see it go crazy the way it did. I hated it.
I hated watching what happened to it. But at the
same time I couldn't sit there and be a part
of a group that said okay, we are Well how
(37:14):
did they do it? It's not like they were castigating
the NRE. They put out a statement challenging the na
basically saying the NRA was wrong with what they were
saying about the Second Amendment. And I said, you know no,
I mean we're talking twenty five years ago, way way,
way way long before LaPier and all that. And we said,
(37:35):
now we can't be a part of this anymore. And
we walked out. More than three hundred of us did,
and I think probably the membership at that point was
fifteen hundred or so, so it was a significant number.
And we said, you know, we're going to form our
own group. Well, actually we all walked out without a
plan at all. And then the four of us got
(37:55):
together and said, you know, let's just go ahead and
do this thing. And we got together at a shot
show called a meeting. I remember the four of us
standing up in front of this group and said, all right,
this is what we want to do. Does anybody else
want to do this with us? And we had probably
a room of thirty or forty people. Everybody said yeah,
let's do this. Well, no, that's not what they said.
(38:16):
They said, Yeah, let's you guys do this thing. That's
how it works, isn't it. It's not like we're all
going to do this together. It's oh, yeah, we're all
in favor of it. You guys go ahead and do that.
Oh okay, I see what we're up to now. So
we pulled it together. I think we ended up starting
off with nine people to meet. And I'm really good
(38:38):
at naming things, products and organizations and things, and I
came up with a name, and I jumped online and
grabbed the url so we would have the website for it,
and we were off and running and we created the
POMA Professional Outdoor Media Association. So anyway, that was the
group that just named the Ruger, RXm, Ruger and Magpol together.
(38:58):
Is this collaborative effort. Now it's called a collab of course,
because it's just so much harder to say collaborative or collaboration.
I don't know, weird stuff, but it's cute to be
in with. Have the slang and the internal jargon. It's
how we differentiate. It's how we keep people out of
our groups. Right to come up with jargon always been
(39:20):
that way. I'll be right back. Well, obviously I was
not here last week, and I appreciate Ryan and the
crew filling in and doing the show. And they did
it as a video as well. If you didn't see it,
(39:42):
you can go onto our YouTube channel or some of
our other channels and look for gun Talk and you'll
see them basically doing the gun Talk radio show, but
as a video, as a podcast with a lot of
people involved and had lots of good information. We appreciate that.
The reason I couldn't do the show last week, well chosen.
It's because I chose to be in elk camp elk hunting.
(40:05):
Of course, I got my moose. I got freight trained
a few weeks ago. By the way, had elk or
freight train this morning with moose sausage and fried egg
yubby moose meat is delicious. So flew out into the
frank Church River of No Return wilderness area. So I
(40:28):
flew myself. Now, then we unloaded that man, eat it
all up. We got it packed up on pack mules,
and I get on a horse and I'm ride in
a pack train and we go way back and then
there's a drop camp there and so there are actually
five of us in camp four of us have tags.
One our buddy, Bread's just kind of support and having
(40:49):
fun with us. We had a great time. John, our
neighbor and friend. He got a nice mature bull elk
first day, and Mike and his son Tanor passed up
some four buys first day. I hunted the entire week
(41:11):
without seeing or hearing an elk, bull or cow. I
don't know if it was the hunting God's saying, yeah,
you're good. You've got a freezer full of moose meat.
You don't need anything, So okay. I had my three
thirty eight out six and actually improved my rifle with me.
I was ready, and I hiked a well, I hiked
(41:31):
as far as I could hike. I can't go as
high in as far as some of these younger guys can,
but I did what I could do. But I just
wasn't in the right place or they weren't in the
right place. Did get to seek a couple of moose,
A love sick bull chasing this cow, great big cow.
We watched that show for about an hour. It was
(41:53):
kind of like a junior high kid, you know, in
love with the you know, the seventh grader in love
with the ninth grade. That ain't happening. She was having
none of it. But it was fun to watch the
whole show. It's like mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom or
something out there. But we were camping out, We got
rained down a little bit, got snowed on a little bit.
It was just a great old time. And each of
(42:16):
us brings a dinner or two, and each night somebody
else is responsible for making dinner. That worked out really well.
It's a great time. It's not as much about the
hunting after you've done it a few years ago. Yeah,
you know, just getting out with the friends, swapping stories
(42:37):
and just the experience of camping out got a little
bit chilly. I got my system. I take one sleeping
bag and I slide it in sight of the other
sleeping bag. Take two bags and that way. If it's warmer,
you go down to one bag. If it gets really cold,
you can put two of them together and you're good
to go. So that was my experience. Now we are
(43:02):
looking at deer season, so the tag I have from
Mule Deer starts on November one. Won't be able to
go out there until the third because I have to
be here. Of course, to do the radio show on
the second. We'll do that. But now it's like, okay,
well I'm not going to take the three thirty eight
out six for that. I think I'm taking my new
two fifty seven Roberts actually improved out for that, shooting
(43:26):
the NOS one hundred and fifteen grain ballistic tip bullet,
going back and forth between that and the two sixty Remington.
But you know the great part about deer, it doesn't
really matter. You can shoot them with pretty much anything.
If you hit them, you're going to get them, as
simple as that. But for me, you know me, I
like my gear. There's a reason that I've had friends
(43:47):
that dubbed me Gadget Gresham because I do like the gear.
So there you go. Hey, when we come back, a
gun control group starts doing firearms training. Yeah, that's out
of what jets you might play. We are we pay
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