May 3, 2026 • 43 mins
-- Jack Carr's latest novel, The Fourth Option, has a new hero, and he's dishing out SEAL-level justice in the steamy quarters of New Orleans.
-- Capturing family stories through the guns you pass along.
-- It may seem small, but with modern TSS loads the 28-gauge shotgun works great for turkeys.
Gun Talk 05.03.26 Hour 2
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-- Capturing family stories through the guns you pass along.
-- It may seem small, but with modern TSS loads the 28-gauge shotgun works great for turkeys.
Gun Talk 05.03.26 Hour 2
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
All Right, you know, I was a writer and an
editor long long before I started doing broadcast back. So
I love the written word and particularly enjoy people who
do it well. Jack Carr is one of those people,
of course, writing starting off with the Terminal List, a
whole series of best selling novels, got a new one out,
he joins us. Right now, Jack, how are you doing? You?
(00:35):
Toddel at you?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I know it.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
So I went back there with the Best Defense Foundation.
I've been working with them for a few years, taking
primarily World War Two veterans back to the battlefields on
which they fought. So the Pearl Harbor and Normandy, my
daughters who got involved, our sons got involved, and this
is their first time taking Vietnam veterans back, and they
took a group of MCAVISAG veterans and invited me to
(00:58):
come along. So we spent the last time days in Vietnam,
and it was an extremely powerful experience. So I got
to crawl into some tunnels, So I think they those
tunnels were built for somebody a little smaller, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, And also it's a touchstone if you will throwback
to your last novel, cry Havoc, which is based in Vietnam.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
That is right mainteen sixty eight Vietnam, when is to
take anespionage thriller and drop it into the heart of
Saigon essentially, even though there are scenes that take place
on in Washington, DC area and in Moscow, but primarily
it takes place in Saigon and then a couple parts
over the border into Laos. So it was focused on
mac Viisog. So so it made sense for me to
go along on this on this trip, and it was
(01:41):
such an honor to get to spend time with these
guys because of course I grew up reading about them,
And first it was just little hints in magazines like
Soldier of Fortune or maybe Gung Home magazine, something like that.
You'd see a knife that said Macfisog Tribute blade in
something like US Cavalry or Brigade Quartermaster or something. And
then more books started coming out about Macviesog, what they
did going into Laos, Cambodia, North Vietnam, and of course
(02:04):
they essentially created the legacy, the foundation, the reputations that
all Special Operations Forces essentially lived off of until September eleventh,
two thousand and one. So I'm always in their debt.
And these guys were amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
To me. It looks like, and you tell me, I mean,
obviously you got your background as a CEO, you spent
your time in the teams, but among and you stayed
up with this, you stay into the gun culture, and
among the popular writers today, I think you may be
the best informed and actually the one with the most
experienced when it comes to firearms.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Well, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
And things have evolved even since I was in. It
seems like yesterday, but it's really been close to ten
years now that I've been out of the military. So
I checked with people that are still in that still
have touch points with these different communities, guys that are
still active in different military units or SWAT whatever it
might be, to make sure that if one of those
(03:03):
guys is reading these books, that they say, ah, he
did his research. I always do that with the explosive
ordnance disposal stuff, make sure I send it out to
my EOD buddy to say, if somebody was EOD, military
or state, local, federal law enforcement, if you want to
read this, I don't want them to get pulled out
of the story because I make too atrocious of an error.
So if there's something that I don't know, usually I'm
(03:25):
pretty good on the firearm stuff, but I need to
need to check it these days, just because I'm a
little bit removed from it. But anything else like that
I don't really know intimately. Well, I really dive into
that research so that I don't take someone who has
lived their whole life in one of those worlds, don't
pull them out of the story.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Well, and we've all had that experience for a reading
on and then you go, ah, man, he screwed that
one up. He got that one wrong. And it does
it pulls you right out of the story.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, as soon as you hear the safety coming off
on a block, or you know they have the clips
and magazines or whatever, something that's just tactically unsound or
just you know, you can forgive a little bit here
or there, perhaps, but it also shows a little carelessness
on the part of the author because now, especially with
the Internet obviously for the past twenty five years. You've
(04:15):
been able to look this stuff up if you just
put in a little bit of research, or maybe you
spend a little time on the range. But for me,
it's really the feelings and emotions that came from doing
that job. So I don't have to interview someone who
was in an ambush to remember what it was like.
I just think about Bagdad two thousand and six, what
it was like to be in an ambush, and I
take those feelings and emotions and apply them to a
completely fictional narrative. So the feelings and emotions behind some
(04:38):
of these things come from a real place. Same thing
with a sniper weapon system. I don't have to ask
somebody what it was like to be behind the glass
or just imagine what it was like to be behind
the glass. In remodi, I can remember what it was
like to be behind the glass and then pull those
feelings and emotions out, and I think that adds a
little bit of texture to the in context to my
fictional narratives.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
And of course, you got you know, not only your books,
You've got you know the film's been, the series and
everything going on. You got I guess the latest series
about to break again.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
That's right. So the second book, True Believer, that's coming
to screens, I think I'm a I can say by
the end of the year. So they haven't made any
announcements of exactly when it's coming out yet, but we
finished that up twenty twenty five and it's been in
post production and we just finished up all those post
production edits and it is looking great. So those eight
episodes should drop here before the end of the year
(05:28):
for True Believer, and going forward, we'll see what happens.
You know, these things can go off the rails at
any given time. So I feel unfortunate that we've been
able to do what we've done on the screen thus far,
and I hope we can continue, but you never know.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And you got this latest book just out. I'm only
about halfway through, but it really speaks to me because
of course I come from Louisiana and it's spend a
good time down in New Orleans where this is taking place.
This a collaborative effort you're doing with MP Woodward. I
will tell you, and I've been telling you all along,
your books are getting better and better. This is so good.
It is as good as it gets. I mean, the
Fourth Option is a terrific book, terrific concept, and I
(06:07):
love we were talking about this earlier, the idea that
there's a real touch of the Paladin Old Paladin TV
series in this.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Oh yeah, it's inspired by Have Gun, Will Travel, which
of course was a radio show first and then became
a television show late fifties into the sixties, and I
used to watch it with my dad drawing up. So
that was really the foundation for this novel. But there
also will be a little hints of Shane high Planes, Drifter,
Pale Rioder, Magnificent Seven for those who are into the
Western Intentually, my modern interpretation of that stranger comes to
(06:37):
town narrative. So in this case, instead of jumping on
his horse and riding into town, Chris Walker the protagonist
in his Belgian Malinwau Paladin, they get in the Volkswagen
bus popped off camper from the eighties and drive into
New Orleans and then start fishing out a long forgotten
brand of lethal outlaw justice. So there's and for those
(06:57):
as that grew up in the eighties like I did,
of course, a sprinkling of things like Legal Weapon from
fans of that movie. The first one we'll recognize some
of that, maybe a little Equalizer from the eighties in
there as well, maybe even a little a Team, a
drop of Airwolf, a little bit of Magnum. So all
those cultural touch points that became part of my experience
during my formative years, of course, are now part of
(07:20):
my foundation, and we'll find their way into my novels.
But this one is domestic in nature and focuses on
something happening in New Orleans with the drug trade, and
it's very personal to this protagonist who shows up there
and starts to investigation.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
It's not a James Rees novel.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
That's right, that's right. I really wanted to differentiate this
from the James Reach Terminalist series, which are more geopolitical,
global in nature, save the world type storylines, and this one.
I wanted this to be more intimate, domestic. I want
this protagonist to go to a new town with every
book and have that domestic USA town be the backdrop
(08:02):
of the story. And for me, New Orleans was the
perfect place to start. I went there a couple of
times training and the Sealed teams that really made an
impression on me, and uh, and I always knew that
I would I would set a novel there at some point,
and this fourth option was definitely the one to do
it with.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Well, you know, New Orleans is steamy, it's spicy, it's interesting,
and it's inherently corrupt. It's the perfect place for something like.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
That, exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
It had all the elements that I was looking for.
And yeah, I couldn't be more excited with how this,
how this book turned out. And can't wait too Uh,
I shouldn't say too much, but I guess it. It
would make sense that I'm moving on to to the
next one already, so uh, can't wait to can't wait
to get you beat me out there?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, you beat me too. I was gonna say, what's
the next? All right? So what is next? Where are
you hitting? Next?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Next one is James Reese eight, going back to James Reese,
and that should sort of be a contemporary thriller. So
that'll continue that storyline. But of course I have plans
for another fourth option, another Tom Rees's novel set either
in Vietnam or right afterward. And then I have a
bunch of other projects out there that haven't been announced
yet as well. So the next targeted Actually I can
talk about that a little bit. The first one my
(09:12):
first nonfiction work with James Scott Fullzerprise finalist, Incredible Guy historian.
Our first one was on de Route nineteen eighty three,
and this one we'll say exactly what it's about, but
if people go into my social channels and scroll around,
they can probably figure it out because of where I've
been traveling. But that should come out in the early
part of twenty twenty seven, so we're hard at work
(09:33):
on that right now. The second book in the Targeted series, Well.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Jack Carl, you know what I tell people about your book.
The people who know I said, it's real simple. He
gets guns right, and you do. Not only are you
a terrific writer and author, but you get it right
and we appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Oh, thank you. I definitely put the time, energy and
effort in as you know you bet well.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Thank you so much for your time and thanks for
your effort. I'm enjoying it. Can't wait to finish the
fourth option.
Speaker 6 (10:00):
All right, take care, Jeck Carr right there.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yeah, you can order the four favetioned right now and
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Year it did something interesting this. WEEK i was where
there was a continuation of WHAT i did a few months.
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AGO i came across the old movie film that my
dad had shot back WHEN i was. YOUNG a lot
of This i've never seen. Before it's eight millimeter, film no,
sound AND i, decided, Well i've seen all these ads you,
know send in your films will digitize. It So i've
grabbed a bunch of, it do it into a box
(13:40):
and send it. Off and we got some of it
back in downloadable For i'm still waiting for the hard
drive to come back and the film to come back
from the. Service i'm not going to name the service
yet until i get everything back And i'm just. Satisfied
THEN i can tell YOU i like these. Guys but
in downloading some of the DIGITAL i guess it'd be
video now from the. Film it was interesting looking at
(14:01):
some of this. Stuff there was video of me with my,
brother he was probably, TWO i THINK i was, four maybe,
five not quite walking. Around i'm taking around for a.
Walk i'm holding his hand and in my other, Hand
i've got a. RIFLE i don't, Know i'm four or,
FIVE i don't know what it. Was it was bb,
(14:21):
gun toy, gun, whatever but it's, like, okay that looks about.
Right interesting. Stuff and then there was some video of
The Grand American Trap shoot back when it was In, Vandalia.
Ohio this would have been early map but probably mid.
(14:42):
Sixties his first, year my dad decided to shoot trap
and he and some of his buddies went to The
grand and we went as a, family AND i remember
being there as a. KID i remember one of the people,
shooting and The grand is an enormous. Event there's the
trap after trap field after trap, field just lined up
(15:02):
and it's a mile, long this line of trap, fields
and they have tractor pulled buggies that will take you
up and down the line you get off where your
next shoot. Is it's an amazing. Thing and now it
has been moved down To, Sparta. Illinois it's no longer In.
Vandalien But i'm looking at that and. Remembering one of
(15:25):
the people who were shooting at The grand that year
was the movie Star Roy. Rogers he was shooting trap
AND i remember my brother AND i were looking at
him and, thinking you, know he'd probably shoot better if
he used a six, gun so we were PROBABLY i don't,
know twelve something like. THAT i do remember that my
(15:47):
dad was using us as child labor loading HIS ammo
for him twelve games. AMMO i think we was an
old cch, reloader IF i remember, right using felt, wads
paper halls of. Course so that was, fun those old,
memories AND i was pulling some screenshots of those and
share them online and just some fun. Stuff look at
the old old stuff kind of reminded me that in
(16:11):
looking at some of the old. Guns, NOW i don't
have like antique, guns that's not my. Thing i'm not
a gun. Collector But i've got older, guns if you,
will Guns i've had a. While each of those guns carries,
memories you, know some of them not so much if
they're new or the plastic, fantastic but some of them
are older and they you, think you, KNOW i need
(16:33):
to share the stories, here and now it is very
easy to. Do. It used to be we'd have to
sit down and write it out by, hand and you
can type it and you can put it on your.
Computer but now it's. Easy you set up your, phone
turn it on movie or shoot video of, yourself pick
up the gun and start telling the. Story so if
(16:55):
you're passing along your guns to people and your, family
then you can give them this video of you telling
the story OF i use this shotgun on a duck.
Hunt that was the time we flipped the vote, over
OR i was wading out to the decoys that went
over the top of my waiters and filled with water
and they started to. Freeze and you know all those
stories that we, tell it's just. Amazing if you go
(17:17):
pick up an old shotgun or a rifle or a
handgun out of your, safe the memories kind of flood.
Back they come. BACK i know you've got those stories as.
Well i'd love to have you share those with. Us,
here give me a call At Tom Talk. Gun what
are those Stories when you are thinking about when this
old GUN i, remember or it's even a case of
(17:41):
flipping back one more, generation you, say, WELL i got
this gun from my dad or my, grandfather and here's
the story that they. Told because if you don't pass it,
along it. Dies the story dies somewhere along the, Way
and now it's so easy to make can. Happen it's,
like don't even think about putting guns in your will
(18:05):
or giving them to somebody without passing down the, story
because that makes the gun. Interesting it probably makes to
where they're going to keep the gun. Too just a
little side note, there but just fun STUFF i think. About,
uh my dad really he shot A model twelve pump twenty,
gage liked it a, lot but maybe even more than,
(18:28):
that he liked His winchester one on one over and
under three inch magnum twenty gauge shot three's magnum for
a lot of. Stuff used it for ducks back when
we could shoot the, lead but used it for. Everything and,
then of course with interchangeable, jokes why wouldn't you could
use it for doves and ducks and quail and, pheasants
and if you're a good, shot and he, was that
(18:49):
just became his go, everywhere do everything. Gun so The
winchester ONE o, one he loved. That and my mom
had one of those guns, Too but my mom was
like five feet tall as she lied about, it which
she really. Was and of, course and then one time
when dad was out of, town he had had the
gun the butt stock cutting down to like thirteen inches
(19:10):
to shorten. It she took it to. Guns we ether
had it cut down to twelve for, babies a little
bit short of, mean it was really short and NOW
i won't fit anybody, else of, course but, man she
shot that thing really. Well and AS i was growing,
UP i used one of her, shotguns another twenty Gauge
model twelve with a cut down. Stock it was great
(19:31):
for the kids and we still have that within the.
Family just probably need to put another recoil pad on.
It the recoil pad got really old and hard and
doesn't stick to your. Shoulder that didn't really. Compress not
that there's a lot of recoil with a twenty, gauge
but there's, some AND i bet a recoil pad would be.
Better you don't want the butt of the shotgun slipping
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off your shoulder when you're. SHOOTING i was talking with
a lady who runs a gun store up in The
call last week. Sometime she's very much into clay. Targets
we don't have a clay target range anywhere near. Us
we're closest one is at least an hour, away so
we're trying to get somebody to put one in around.
Here and we were just swapping stories against save old
(20:15):
deal she used to work For Caesar garini and talk
about some of the different, shooters and she was explained
that there's a resort In. MONTANA i can't remember the
name of, it but they said that they're making more
money with their clay target operation than they are with
horseback riding and everything else they. DO i, thought, well
there's a story there if somebody's, thinking, well, yeah that's
(20:38):
a great, idea but can we make any money at? It,
yes you can if you run. It, well just all,
right let's see. HERE i don't know that we've got
time to Get rodney in right. Now let's, okay let's do.
That let's Grab rodney In, Crosby texas online To Hey,
rodney you're On Gun. Talk what's? Up?
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Hey Tom? SO i was wondering what the new idea
of director come and wanting to revisit the rule on
private party. Sales what does that look like FOR ffl
dealers such as myself going? Forward is that going to eliminate?
Us how does that look? EXACTLY i wanted to get
your opinion on.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
THAT i don't think, so BECAUSE ffl is that's written
into the, law that's part Of Gun Control act of
nineteen sixty, eight so LICENSED ffl, store so sales from
gun stores will. REMAIN i don't think they're going to
do away with. THAT i think what they're doing is
they change the definition of who is in the, business
because what they were doing Under biden is they, said, oh,
(21:37):
well if you sell a couple of guns at a gun,
show you must be in the business and you need
to have AN, ffl and we can arrest you for
selling your private guns at a gun show if you
don't have AN. Ffl that's that's the kind of nonsense
they were. Doing and if you would write, it just hold,
on we're going to hold you over this break here
Because i'm it's running up on top of me AND
i kind of took you too close to. It but,
(21:59):
yeah and people were, saying, yeah if you sell a
gun or, two we can arrest you for not having
a federal farmer's. License, no that's not what it's supposed to.
Be so the new director of THE atf, said, yeah
we're we're going to get away from. That that's not
What congress, wrote that's not what it. Intended we're actually
going to have rules that are the same as what
the actual law Is, steve don't go. Anywhere we're going
(22:26):
to get to you in just a. Minute we're talking
With rodney right now out Of, Crosby. Texas And, rodney
you were asking about what this changes AT atf and
the rules might do in terms of FFLs like. YOU
i don't think it's going to affect you much other
than making up considerably easier for you to.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
Operate, WELL i sure hope. So and then SO i
guess the fear is fear of the. Unmountain and so
WHENEVER i heard, THAT i, thought oh my, goodness, now
but it's just going to open up the whole world
of you, know everybody and your brother can sell guns
now and. Anyway SO i, thought, Well i'll just call
in the gun call and say What tom?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Satismatic, well you KNOW i can always make up an, answer, right.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
That's, right that's.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
RIGHT i appreciate the. Car do you take? Care all?
Right let's Grab steve out Of, Fargo North. Dakota, Hey,
steve you got a range of port? Forrest what you
GOT i?
Speaker 12 (23:17):
Do we were shooting a Super Black eagle three and
twenty eight gauge and when you told your story about
your mom and your dad are cutting off those guns
so that smaller statute individuals can use. Them done that
a lot with my. Sons we've got a bunch of
shotguns that are cut down to twelve thirteen. Inches game
(23:38):
changer for young. Shooters but the other thing THAT i
do with young shooters is the. Gauge twenty eight gauge
is so much. Fun it's so much more effective than
a four to, ten but it's just so much friendlier
from a recoil. Standpoint so this last, weekend not this,
weekend the weekend, before we're turkey hunting and the only
(23:58):
gun in the blind is my tag isn't any good
after the first week super Black eagle twenty eight, gage
three INCH tss seven, shots so it'll sit turkey out
to you know who knows forty plus yards for. Sure
and my youngest, son we had missed one the day
(24:18):
or a nice big tom came in and we're hunting
out of a. Blind so when you're in a, blind
you've got issues of which window and how do you do?
Speaker 5 (24:26):
THIS i couldn't get him to commit to the.
Speaker 12 (24:28):
Decoys so we ended up a bird ended up going
to our. Right so my son asked if he could
shoot left, handed AND i said. Yes he switches to left,
handed and then he asked if he could shoot AND
i said, Yes and it was a mistake because he
just couldn't handle the gun that. Way we missed and
fired On Super Black. Eagle but that's another thing to
(24:48):
know about inertial.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Loaders it didn't throw the.
Speaker 12 (24:52):
Shell because when he, fired you, know it slipped off his.
Shoulder there was no reseptance to cycle the. Gun didn't.
Matter we wouldn't wouldn't have had another Sh but the next,
morning we're in the blind and working some what we
thought Were tom's and it's a little bit, cold and
now we've been in the blind for about three hours
and my son wanted to. Leave we're getting ready to,
leave so we're kind of checking things for the last.
(25:13):
Time two jakes had snuck up on. Us they weren't
fifteen yards. Away and he, GOES i, goes so you
want to shoot a? Jake he goes, Absolutely And i'm
messing with my camera trying to videotape it and do,
whatever And i'm getting in behind him and, bang the
gun goes off because he wasn't gonna wait for me
because he'd missed that one the day before and just,
(25:34):
rolle just smart, move just rolled it down the. Hill
it literally tumbled down the hill into the decoy's game set.
Match so that twenty eight page great. Round the Super
Black egle really. Fun gone small in. Stature you, know
we had that one, misfire but that was our fault
and the reason we have. One the reason we have
(25:54):
a Super Black eagle is THAT i have A, Etho
so twenty eight Age, ethos really nice, guns sport sporting.
Gun it's parted and. Everything and both my sons were
shoot shooting those those shortest stock. Guns, well now my
youngest son is five to, Seven by oldest son he's,
Sixteen so the eleven year old's five to, seven the
(26:15):
oldest one is six to. Two they can shoot full sized.
GUNS i made the mistake of letting my youngest son
shoot My ethos last this fall for. Pheasants well he's
not going to go back to any other, guns SO
i had to buy another. One so now we've got
two twenty eight Gates bonelli's and they're just an absolute.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Blast and you're, right that's a great range report AND
i appreciate. That thank you for that. Call the twenty
eight gauge is very much misunderstood and. Underappreciated with good
loads it. Is for the most, part it's as good
as twenty, gaugs much much much better than a. FOURTEEN
i would not start a youngster out with a. Fourteen
fourteen is really an experts. Guns it's just hard to
(26:54):
down birds and break targets with a four. Ten there's
just not much shot out, there the shot patterns so
small and not very. Dense twenty eight games is a
whole different. Deal and now that we've got THIS tss,
shot which is, tungsten and it is insanely. EXPENSIVE i,
Mean i'm looking at online right now at ninety dollars
for five not for five boxes for five, rounds but
(27:18):
it was that fifteen dollars. Ballo, yeah about fifteen bucks.
Around it is exactly. That but it's amazing what it.
Does AND i know people, say, well you could use
it for. Waterfowl you, could BUT i wouldn't want to
shoot a lot of that at that. Price but for
turkeys where you're only going to shoot once or twice
and it may extend your range an honest twenty. Yards
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it's amazing. Stuff one little quick story BEFORE i hit
the brake in just a. Minute, anyway The Super Black,
eagle going way back To Bonelli Super Black, eagle we
did an. Article my dad actually wrote it For sports
And field magazine when he was a shooting editor, there
and he, Said, HEY i want to get like the
(28:00):
top shotguns they're out, there and, YEAH i got, It thank, You.
JIM i want to shoot the top shotguns and see
how well they. Run he, said, okay so he got
IN i think he did five of, them went out
to the local. Range he Got ammo supplied By ammo,
makers and he opened it up to the public said
come out and shoot clays FREE amo free. Guns the
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only thing was at each station they had a gun
on the table and they had a clipboard and each
time there was any kind of malfunction they had to
make a note of. It and so it's basically just
wanted to see how long they would run all these,
shotguns all automatic semi, autos without cleaning. Them, okay, fine
well it starts shooting them and they're using Good ammo.
(28:45):
Target ammo allows THE amo cheap you, Know walmart TYPE, amo,
everything just mixing it all up and people just shoot
clay targets having a great old, time and one by
one they had, malfunctions and they started noting, them and
then clear At dolge saw many one by, one and
then at the end of the, test when they had
(29:06):
done the whole, thing they had four guns that had,
malfunctioned one that it had. Zero The Bonelli Super Black
eagle had zero. Malfunctions without cleaning, it it just kept.
Running it's one of the reasons it's so powerful today
in terms of. Sales. Now the unfortunate part of the,
(29:28):
story and it does go back to my old magazine,
days which goes way back and how magazines were running are,
run is that the, editors after he wrote the article
up and after they had proved it and sent it, in they,
said we can't run. This it's what do you, Mean,
well we're going to Make bonelli happy and make four
of our advertisers. Unhappy we're not running. It and it never.
(29:52):
Ran and that's kind of the way magazines have always been.
RUN i, MEAN i get. It that's. LOOK i was
in thegazine business for a long long, time and that
is the nature of the. Beast we just watched the
Movie The Devil Wears productude it's about basically about a,
magazine and there's some of that in, there AND i was, thinking,
yeah that's kind of how it. Works the advertisers they
(30:14):
have a, say because if you don't have the, advertisers
you don't have a, magazine you don't have a. Business
but that was the whole. Deal so if sometimes you
think the magazines are running articles about products that you
also see a full page add, on, Duh, yeah that's
how it. Works Let's Beard lyne. Three brad's with us
out Of indiana with a range oft for. Us, Hey,
brad what do you?
Speaker 5 (30:33):
GOT i just got back From arkansas WHERE i did
an active shooter instructor training With Ed munk last resort
gun training.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Night we've had endless show here. Before how was?
Speaker 5 (30:49):
That that was absolutely? Fabulous he's got it down and,
Uh i'm sure you read his book the first thirty, Seconds,
yes and it. Is it is very very. Good AND
i would go back and heartbeat and hopefully take some,
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friends people on church security teams and so. Forth it was.
Good it was. Good you don't do a high round.
Count you do a lot of. Thinking you enter a
scenario and you've got to find the bad. Guy and
take him out and ignore the people who are down,
(31:30):
wounded the. Distractions they have a soundtrack with screaming and,
gunfire and it was just very very.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Good i'm going to.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Take a guess, here BUT i want to get your
take on it of how it, developed Because i'm thinking
the first time through is incredibly distracting and, confusing and
then the more you do, it you end up just
kind of working your way through and problem solving and
ignoring all of that.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
STUFF i didn't really like the soundtrack bother me.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
So.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Much i've done a lot of training with The Sheriff's
department and gun, signing SO i kept my mind on
sorting through the innocence and finding they would put a,
gun a long, gun or a pistol on the. Target
he had one bait that was flat paper colored, targets
(32:32):
but he had the other bay was all of the
THREE d foamed torsos that were dressed in shirts and
hats and.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Things what's your takeaway if you had to tell, Somebody,
OKAY i just did this, class and this is WHAT
i learned and what you probably don't know about providing
security in an active shooter.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Situation, well a couple of Things i've learned is the
best security teams have, layers starting with people in the parking,
lot people greeting at the, door people in the. Sanctuary
so hopefully if someone's coming in meaning to do bad,
(33:12):
things that someone will get an eye on them early
on instead of waiting for the guy to stand up
and pull a.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Gun, yes if you can stop them in the parking,
lot don't ever let them get in the, building you
can actually prevent the mass shitty from even.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Starting absolutely, Absolutely So i'm hoping to take part in
a fringe little church and work with their security team
and give them a. Hand, tom you AND i are
going to be In arizona here in about a, week
and we're going to be in the same.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Class, really you're going to do the two point fifty
the old guys classic car.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Class, Yeah i'm kind of wondering about all of us
old guys who went to gun site. BACK i went
nineteen the first, time And i'm kind of curious about
how we're going to do on the time limits of
kneeling and going. Prone how about.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
YOU i don't think kneeling and going prone's going to
be the. PROBLEM i think the time that is going
to be getting back.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Up, okay you got me. There and also i've been
going red. Dot i've been going red dot on a
lot of. Guns But i'm going to take an iron
Sighted West bay or forty five AND i think my
right eye will still work well enough for the distances
we're going to be. SHOOTING i want to see that
(34:38):
fancy custom gun of, yours, Though oh, YEAH.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
I got the fancy win. That i've got a really,
old old Old oregon Produced kimber THAT i had day
fink over at the guns like. Gunsmith you take care
of and it's teflon coated and goofy as it can.
Be and so that's my. BACKUP i may switch back and.
Forth we'll see how it. Goes but you know, what
we're going to have fun and we're going to tune,
(35:02):
up BECAUSE i don't care what gun you're. Using when
you go take a five day class like, this you're
definitely going to get tuned.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Up, Well i've been through all those classes and, this
that and the, other BUT i think there's nothing wrong
with going. Back AND i know a lot of people
who said they've done the two fifty every few years
and going back and getting the basics and especially the mindset.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Lecture absolutely for those who don't, know the two fifty
class is the introductory basic if you will. Class it's
a five day class at gun, site AND i have
taken it. Twice Now i'm taking it. AGAIN i agree with.
You you go back and you get tuned. Up WHAT
i would like to, DO i would just tell you
go ahead and reveal. This my idea IS i want
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to find out and get their real world assessment if
they THINK i am ready to and can take the
three fifty, class the next class along the, line and if,
So i'm going to sign up for one of those pretty.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Quickly i've done three point fifty, twice and THEN i
did four ninety nine and shotgun and, carbing and THEN
i started branching out trying some other instructors and. Schools
but we used to bring In Steve taranie And Pat
rogers and a bunch of these people who knew classes
(36:20):
on site at the. Jails so, yeah BUT i just
want to back up the truck and go back and
go through the basics, again, yep and.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
See HOW i do.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
WELL i look forward to shooting with you. THERE i take,
it you, Know Sheriff ken pretty.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Well. YEAH i knew him when he was a whoa
we rode. Deputy and WHEN i went to get checked
out get my bona fides to go to gunsite the first,
time the sheriff, said, oh we had a couple of
guys just come back from, there and that's HOW i Met.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Ken And ken is now THE ceo At.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Gunsite oh, Yeah i'll sawly become a lieutenant and the
captain and the sheriff and he. Is he is in
the best place in the world for him and he loves.
It he loves.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
It there you, Go we'll have. Fun i'll see you
in about a, week.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
You bet your. BROTHER i hope we're on the line,
together all.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Right we look forward to. IT i appreciate the. Call.
Yeah by the, way The court of The day is
in The Jay Leasee williams interview that we had last.
Hour she's a professional, shooter shoots FOR colt AND i
asked her about shoot ninete. Eleven SHE'S i don't know,
how you don't ask how, old but she's like twenty,
two twenty, one thank, You, jim just feel. Me she's
(37:42):
twenty one years old and she loved the nineteen, eleven
AND i, said, well it's like an old guy's guy
and you, know Oh man's. Gun she, says, no, NO
i love the nineteen eleven and the quote was ninety
eleven feels like home to. Me went, WOW i like.
That you. Know so she's young and cut and perky
and really has great eyes and she could shoot iron
sights like crazy and just a great ambassador for cold
(38:04):
and for the shooting sports as, well all the way.
Around so you get a chance, online take a look
at her. Website oh and she. Had she has a YouTube,
channel Jay Lee's Williams shooting with instruction, there and that
would be worthwhile as. Well so take a look at
that Jay lee's J A. L i, se thank, You,
jim Jay Lee's Williams shooting on. YouTube so there you. Go,
(38:28):
yeah be going down to. Gunsite and you, know as
our previous caller, Said i've been there several. TIMES i
go back and retake the same. Class once you've taken,
it you kind of understand and you, go, YEAH i
could use a tune up IF i haven't been back
in a couple of. Years and so a lot of
PEOPLE i know go back every two or three years
and do it. Again BUT i don't want to take
the next. CLASS i think it's just a little bit more,
(38:49):
movement a little more of this than. That but, honestly you,
know it's one of those spear of the. UNKNOWNS i
don't know how that's going to. WORK i want to
get an honest assessment After i've been through this class
and have them say, yep you could do that or
name maybe. Not we'll find. Out ain't, no, look it
is what it, is exactly what it. Is give me
a holler eighty six six talk? Guy all right for?
(39:16):
You every TIME i say something, online some are on the.
Air here's somebody's got another let's just say a different.
Opinion fair, enough we'll do.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
That.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
One mark has joined us right now BECAUSE i said
something about the four ten And mark, SAYS i beg your,
Pardon So, mark you have the, Floor, SIR i ain't.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
No, professional and that's ALL i.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Choot.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Anymore is my fourteen THAT i got to nineteen sixty?
Seven what is? IT i don't. Know i've took it
to four or five different dealers and they can't tell.
ME i bought it for eight dollars A Girt brothers In.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Aurora is it a popper or what is?
Speaker 4 (39:57):
It it's a single, shot, Breakover, oh breaks over all
the way and touches the trigger.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Guard oh, yeah, yes, yes, yes we had one of
those WHEN i was a.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Kid, oh it's a beautiful it's a beautiful four. TEN
i don't know what kind it.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Is, yeah what do you use it?
Speaker 4 (40:17):
For, well back then were my uncle and my dad
would carry twenty two's and shoot jack rabbits while they were. Sitting,
well when they. Missed as, boys all that, shotguns my
two cousins, said clo. Games, uh automatics, Right, OH i
(40:37):
had was zach because they was older and most of.
DIED i come back with more rabbits than they did
with the automatics BECAUSE i only had the single shot
AND i didn't.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Miss real you had to make it count because you
knew you didn't have a follow up. Shot, Yep i'll be.
Dying do you still shoot that?
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Gun, oh that's WHAT i killed my last three turkeys.
With i'll BE i have during the week while my
grandson's at the school and he is on the, weekends
and he's killed three turkeys with the. TWO i love.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
It, well do everybody a. Favor be sure to. Record
use your phone or something records some videos of you
tell them stories about the hunts you, had and you,
know the stories that go way back with that, gun
because at this point the stories are at least as
important as the gun.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Itself well that's what the deer stand In turkey stands.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
For, OH i like. It that's. Right that is the
storytelling place it exactly that. Mark thank you for your.
CALL i appreciate. THAT i remember that old folding four
to ten single shot hammer, gun AND i DON'T i
don't remember if that was a savage or. What you,
know if you, know you probably remember that. Gun give
(41:52):
me a call let me. KNOW i just cannot. REMEMBER
i want. TO i keep wanting to say, savage BUT
i don't know for. Sure, yeah and it, would you,
know break, open but then it would fold all the
way over and be very. Compact and IF i remember,
right there was even like a little indentation in the
four end stock that would take the trigger guard in.
There so that was that was pretty cool and it
(42:15):
was just a little pack away go wait. Nothing it
was great for, kids you. Know AND i still stand
by my idea that four tens are more difficult to hit.
With they just don't have a lot of. Shot there
is a reason that in shotgun competitions the scores are
lower for four ten than they are for twenty eight and,
twelve and even you, know in, anything really four tens
(42:39):
just don't have as much. Shot the patterned density is,
less you have fewer, pellets so they're going to break fewer.
Targets they're going to be restricted on range and. Power
having said, THAT i love shooting to four. Ten i've
got a couple of The i've got to No Winchester
model forty, two which is their version of The model.
(43:01):
Twelve but in four, Ten i'm trying to, Remember i've
got A i think A remington eight seventy in, FOURTEEN
i have a shot that in. FOREVER i have to
dig that thing out and take a look at it
and just bring it up. Memories i'm thinking somewhere in
the back of a, SAFE i think there is that gun.
Somewhere i'll have to see IF i can find that.
Thing but, yeah The Winchester model forty, two what a.
(43:24):
Classic that. Is love to shoot. It but if you said,
yeah but you're gonna have bets on breaking. Targets i'm
not taking at four. Ten, Honestly i'm not even taking
a twenty. Gates i'm gonna take a twelve. Games it's
just gonna given the odds a little bit. Better there you,
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
All Right, you know, I was a writer and an
editor long long before I started doing broadcast back. So
I love the written word and particularly enjoy people who
do it well. Jack Carr is one of those people,
of course, writing starting off with the Terminal List, a
whole series of best selling novels, got a new one out,
he joins us. Right now, Jack, how are you doing? You?
(00:35):
Toddel at you?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (00:37):
I know it.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
So I went back there with the Best Defense Foundation.
I've been working with them for a few years, taking
primarily World War Two veterans back to the battlefields on
which they fought. So the Pearl Harbor and Normandy, my
daughters who got involved, our sons got involved, and this
is their first time taking Vietnam veterans back, and they
took a group of MCAVISAG veterans and invited me to
(00:58):
come along. So we spent the last time days in Vietnam,
and it was an extremely powerful experience. So I got
to crawl into some tunnels, So I think they those
tunnels were built for somebody a little smaller, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, And also it's a touchstone if you will throwback
to your last novel, cry Havoc, which is based in Vietnam.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
That is right mainteen sixty eight Vietnam, when is to
take anespionage thriller and drop it into the heart of
Saigon essentially, even though there are scenes that take place
on in Washington, DC area and in Moscow, but primarily
it takes place in Saigon and then a couple parts
over the border into Laos. So it was focused on
mac Viisog. So so it made sense for me to
go along on this on this trip, and it was
(01:41):
such an honor to get to spend time with these
guys because of course I grew up reading about them,
And first it was just little hints in magazines like
Soldier of Fortune or maybe Gung Home magazine, something like that.
You'd see a knife that said Macfisog Tribute blade in
something like US Cavalry or Brigade Quartermaster or something. And
then more books started coming out about Macviesog, what they
did going into Laos, Cambodia, North Vietnam, and of course
(02:04):
they essentially created the legacy, the foundation, the reputations that
all Special Operations Forces essentially lived off of until September eleventh,
two thousand and one. So I'm always in their debt.
And these guys were amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
To me. It looks like, and you tell me, I mean,
obviously you got your background as a CEO, you spent
your time in the teams, but among and you stayed
up with this, you stay into the gun culture, and
among the popular writers today, I think you may be
the best informed and actually the one with the most
experienced when it comes to firearms.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Well, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
And things have evolved even since I was in. It
seems like yesterday, but it's really been close to ten
years now that I've been out of the military. So
I checked with people that are still in that still
have touch points with these different communities, guys that are
still active in different military units or SWAT whatever it
might be, to make sure that if one of those
(03:03):
guys is reading these books, that they say, ah, he
did his research. I always do that with the explosive
ordnance disposal stuff, make sure I send it out to
my EOD buddy to say, if somebody was EOD, military
or state, local, federal law enforcement, if you want to
read this, I don't want them to get pulled out
of the story because I make too atrocious of an error.
So if there's something that I don't know, usually I'm
(03:25):
pretty good on the firearm stuff, but I need to
need to check it these days, just because I'm a
little bit removed from it. But anything else like that
I don't really know intimately. Well, I really dive into
that research so that I don't take someone who has
lived their whole life in one of those worlds, don't
pull them out of the story.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Well, and we've all had that experience for a reading
on and then you go, ah, man, he screwed that
one up. He got that one wrong. And it does
it pulls you right out of the story.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, as soon as you hear the safety coming off
on a block, or you know they have the clips
and magazines or whatever, something that's just tactically unsound or
just you know, you can forgive a little bit here
or there, perhaps, but it also shows a little carelessness
on the part of the author because now, especially with
the Internet obviously for the past twenty five years. You've
(04:15):
been able to look this stuff up if you just
put in a little bit of research, or maybe you
spend a little time on the range. But for me,
it's really the feelings and emotions that came from doing
that job. So I don't have to interview someone who
was in an ambush to remember what it was like.
I just think about Bagdad two thousand and six, what
it was like to be in an ambush, and I
take those feelings and emotions and apply them to a
completely fictional narrative. So the feelings and emotions behind some
(04:38):
of these things come from a real place. Same thing
with a sniper weapon system. I don't have to ask
somebody what it was like to be behind the glass
or just imagine what it was like to be behind
the glass. In remodi, I can remember what it was
like to be behind the glass and then pull those
feelings and emotions out, and I think that adds a
little bit of texture to the in context to my
fictional narratives.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
And of course, you got you know, not only your books,
You've got you know the film's been, the series and
everything going on. You got I guess the latest series
about to break again.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
That's right. So the second book, True Believer, that's coming
to screens, I think I'm a I can say by
the end of the year. So they haven't made any
announcements of exactly when it's coming out yet, but we
finished that up twenty twenty five and it's been in
post production and we just finished up all those post
production edits and it is looking great. So those eight
episodes should drop here before the end of the year
(05:28):
for True Believer, and going forward, we'll see what happens.
You know, these things can go off the rails at
any given time. So I feel unfortunate that we've been
able to do what we've done on the screen thus far,
and I hope we can continue, but you never know.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
And you got this latest book just out. I'm only
about halfway through, but it really speaks to me because
of course I come from Louisiana and it's spend a
good time down in New Orleans where this is taking place.
This a collaborative effort you're doing with MP Woodward. I
will tell you, and I've been telling you all along,
your books are getting better and better. This is so good.
It is as good as it gets. I mean, the
Fourth Option is a terrific book, terrific concept, and I
(06:07):
love we were talking about this earlier, the idea that
there's a real touch of the Paladin Old Paladin TV
series in this.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Oh yeah, it's inspired by Have Gun, Will Travel, which
of course was a radio show first and then became
a television show late fifties into the sixties, and I
used to watch it with my dad drawing up. So
that was really the foundation for this novel. But there
also will be a little hints of Shane high Planes, Drifter,
Pale Rioder, Magnificent Seven for those who are into the
Western Intentually, my modern interpretation of that stranger comes to
(06:37):
town narrative. So in this case, instead of jumping on
his horse and riding into town, Chris Walker the protagonist
in his Belgian Malinwau Paladin, they get in the Volkswagen
bus popped off camper from the eighties and drive into
New Orleans and then start fishing out a long forgotten
brand of lethal outlaw justice. So there's and for those
(06:57):
as that grew up in the eighties like I did,
of course, a sprinkling of things like Legal Weapon from
fans of that movie. The first one we'll recognize some
of that, maybe a little Equalizer from the eighties in
there as well, maybe even a little a Team, a
drop of Airwolf, a little bit of Magnum. So all
those cultural touch points that became part of my experience
during my formative years, of course, are now part of
(07:20):
my foundation, and we'll find their way into my novels.
But this one is domestic in nature and focuses on
something happening in New Orleans with the drug trade, and
it's very personal to this protagonist who shows up there
and starts to investigation.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
It's not a James Rees novel.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
That's right, that's right. I really wanted to differentiate this
from the James Reach Terminalist series, which are more geopolitical,
global in nature, save the world type storylines, and this one.
I wanted this to be more intimate, domestic. I want
this protagonist to go to a new town with every
book and have that domestic USA town be the backdrop
(08:02):
of the story. And for me, New Orleans was the
perfect place to start. I went there a couple of
times training and the Sealed teams that really made an
impression on me, and uh, and I always knew that
I would I would set a novel there at some point,
and this fourth option was definitely the one to do
it with.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Well, you know, New Orleans is steamy, it's spicy, it's interesting,
and it's inherently corrupt. It's the perfect place for something like.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
That, exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
It had all the elements that I was looking for.
And yeah, I couldn't be more excited with how this,
how this book turned out. And can't wait too Uh,
I shouldn't say too much, but I guess it. It
would make sense that I'm moving on to to the
next one already, so uh, can't wait to can't wait
to get you beat me out there?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah, you beat me too. I was gonna say, what's
the next? All right? So what is next? Where are
you hitting? Next?
Speaker 3 (08:50):
Next one is James Reese eight, going back to James Reese,
and that should sort of be a contemporary thriller. So
that'll continue that storyline. But of course I have plans
for another fourth option, another Tom Rees's novel set either
in Vietnam or right afterward. And then I have a
bunch of other projects out there that haven't been announced
yet as well. So the next targeted Actually I can
talk about that a little bit. The first one my
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first nonfiction work with James Scott Fullzerprise finalist, Incredible Guy historian.
Our first one was on de Route nineteen eighty three,
and this one we'll say exactly what it's about, but
if people go into my social channels and scroll around,
they can probably figure it out because of where I've
been traveling. But that should come out in the early
part of twenty twenty seven, so we're hard at work
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on that right now. The second book in the Targeted series, Well.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Jack Carl, you know what I tell people about your book.
The people who know I said, it's real simple. He
gets guns right, and you do. Not only are you
a terrific writer and author, but you get it right
and we appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Oh, thank you. I definitely put the time, energy and
effort in as you know you bet well.
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Thank you so much for your time and thanks for
your effort. I'm enjoying it. Can't wait to finish the
fourth option.
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Year it did something interesting this. WEEK i was where
there was a continuation of WHAT i did a few months.
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AGO i came across the old movie film that my
dad had shot back WHEN i was. YOUNG a lot
of This i've never seen. Before it's eight millimeter, film no,
sound AND i, decided, Well i've seen all these ads you,
know send in your films will digitize. It So i've
grabbed a bunch of, it do it into a box
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and send it. Off and we got some of it
back in downloadable For i'm still waiting for the hard
drive to come back and the film to come back
from the. Service i'm not going to name the service
yet until i get everything back And i'm just. Satisfied
THEN i can tell YOU i like these. Guys but
in downloading some of the DIGITAL i guess it'd be
video now from the. Film it was interesting looking at
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some of this. Stuff there was video of me with my,
brother he was probably, TWO i THINK i was, four maybe,
five not quite walking. Around i'm taking around for a.
Walk i'm holding his hand and in my other, Hand
i've got a. RIFLE i don't, Know i'm four or,
FIVE i don't know what it. Was it was bb,
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gun toy, gun, whatever but it's, like, okay that looks about.
Right interesting. Stuff and then there was some video of
The Grand American Trap shoot back when it was In, Vandalia.
Ohio this would have been early map but probably mid.
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Sixties his first, year my dad decided to shoot trap
and he and some of his buddies went to The
grand and we went as a, family AND i remember
being there as a. KID i remember one of the people,
shooting and The grand is an enormous. Event there's the
trap after trap field after trap, field just lined up
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and it's a mile, long this line of trap, fields
and they have tractor pulled buggies that will take you
up and down the line you get off where your
next shoot. Is it's an amazing. Thing and now it
has been moved down To, Sparta. Illinois it's no longer In.
Vandalien But i'm looking at that and. Remembering one of
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the people who were shooting at The grand that year
was the movie Star Roy. Rogers he was shooting trap
AND i remember my brother AND i were looking at
him and, thinking you, know he'd probably shoot better if
he used a six, gun so we were PROBABLY i don't,
know twelve something like. THAT i do remember that my
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dad was using us as child labor loading HIS ammo
for him twelve games. AMMO i think we was an
old cch, reloader IF i remember, right using felt, wads
paper halls of. Course so that was, fun those old,
memories AND i was pulling some screenshots of those and
share them online and just some fun. Stuff look at
the old old stuff kind of reminded me that in
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looking at some of the old. Guns, NOW i don't
have like antique, guns that's not my. Thing i'm not
a gun. Collector But i've got older, guns if you,
will Guns i've had a. While each of those guns carries,
memories you, know some of them not so much if
they're new or the plastic, fantastic but some of them
are older and they you, think you, KNOW i need
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to share the stories, here and now it is very
easy to. Do. It used to be we'd have to
sit down and write it out by, hand and you
can type it and you can put it on your.
Computer but now it's. Easy you set up your, phone
turn it on movie or shoot video of, yourself pick
up the gun and start telling the. Story so if
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you're passing along your guns to people and your, family
then you can give them this video of you telling
the story OF i use this shotgun on a duck.
Hunt that was the time we flipped the vote, over
OR i was wading out to the decoys that went
over the top of my waiters and filled with water
and they started to. Freeze and you know all those
stories that we, tell it's just. Amazing if you go
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pick up an old shotgun or a rifle or a
handgun out of your, safe the memories kind of flood.
Back they come. BACK i know you've got those stories as.
Well i'd love to have you share those with. Us,
here give me a call At Tom Talk. Gun what
are those Stories when you are thinking about when this
old GUN i, remember or it's even a case of
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flipping back one more, generation you, say, WELL i got
this gun from my dad or my, grandfather and here's
the story that they. Told because if you don't pass it,
along it. Dies the story dies somewhere along the, Way
and now it's so easy to make can. Happen it's,
like don't even think about putting guns in your will
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or giving them to somebody without passing down the, story
because that makes the gun. Interesting it probably makes to
where they're going to keep the gun. Too just a
little side note, there but just fun STUFF i think. About,
uh my dad really he shot A model twelve pump twenty,
gage liked it a, lot but maybe even more than,
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that he liked His winchester one on one over and
under three inch magnum twenty gauge shot three's magnum for
a lot of. Stuff used it for ducks back when
we could shoot the, lead but used it for. Everything and,
then of course with interchangeable, jokes why wouldn't you could
use it for doves and ducks and quail and, pheasants
and if you're a good, shot and he, was that
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just became his go, everywhere do everything. Gun so The
winchester ONE o, one he loved. That and my mom
had one of those guns, Too but my mom was
like five feet tall as she lied about, it which
she really. Was and of, course and then one time
when dad was out of, town he had had the
gun the butt stock cutting down to like thirteen inches
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to shorten. It she took it to. Guns we ether
had it cut down to twelve for, babies a little
bit short of, mean it was really short and NOW
i won't fit anybody, else of, course but, man she
shot that thing really. Well and AS i was growing,
UP i used one of her, shotguns another twenty Gauge
model twelve with a cut down. Stock it was great
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for the kids and we still have that within the.
Family just probably need to put another recoil pad on.
It the recoil pad got really old and hard and
doesn't stick to your. Shoulder that didn't really. Compress not
that there's a lot of recoil with a twenty, gauge
but there's, some AND i bet a recoil pad would be.
Better you don't want the butt of the shotgun slipping
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off your shoulder when you're. SHOOTING i was talking with
a lady who runs a gun store up in The
call last week. Sometime she's very much into clay. Targets
we don't have a clay target range anywhere near. Us
we're closest one is at least an hour, away so
we're trying to get somebody to put one in around.
Here and we were just swapping stories against save old
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deal she used to work For Caesar garini and talk
about some of the different, shooters and she was explained
that there's a resort In. MONTANA i can't remember the
name of, it but they said that they're making more
money with their clay target operation than they are with
horseback riding and everything else they. DO i, thought, well
there's a story there if somebody's, thinking, well, yeah that's
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a great, idea but can we make any money at? It,
yes you can if you run. It, well just all,
right let's see. HERE i don't know that we've got
time to Get rodney in right. Now let's, okay let's do.
That let's Grab rodney In, Crosby texas online To Hey,
rodney you're On Gun. Talk what's? Up?
Speaker 6 (20:56):
Hey Tom? SO i was wondering what the new idea
of director come and wanting to revisit the rule on
private party. Sales what does that look like FOR ffl
dealers such as myself going? Forward is that going to eliminate?
Us how does that look? EXACTLY i wanted to get
your opinion on.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
THAT i don't think, so BECAUSE ffl is that's written
into the, law that's part Of Gun Control act of
nineteen sixty, eight so LICENSED ffl, store so sales from
gun stores will. REMAIN i don't think they're going to
do away with. THAT i think what they're doing is
they change the definition of who is in the, business
because what they were doing Under biden is they, said, oh,
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well if you sell a couple of guns at a gun,
show you must be in the business and you need
to have AN, ffl and we can arrest you for
selling your private guns at a gun show if you
don't have AN. Ffl that's that's the kind of nonsense
they were. Doing and if you would write, it just hold,
on we're going to hold you over this break here
Because i'm it's running up on top of me AND
i kind of took you too close to. It but,
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yeah and people were, saying, yeah if you sell a
gun or, two we can arrest you for not having
a federal farmer's. License, no that's not what it's supposed to.
Be so the new director of THE atf, said, yeah
we're we're going to get away from. That that's not
What congress, wrote that's not what it. Intended we're actually
going to have rules that are the same as what
the actual law Is, steve don't go. Anywhere we're going
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to get to you in just a. Minute we're talking
With rodney right now out Of, Crosby. Texas And, rodney
you were asking about what this changes AT atf and
the rules might do in terms of FFLs like. YOU
i don't think it's going to affect you much other
than making up considerably easier for you to.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
Operate, WELL i sure hope. So and then SO i
guess the fear is fear of the. Unmountain and so
WHENEVER i heard, THAT i, thought oh my, goodness, now
but it's just going to open up the whole world
of you, know everybody and your brother can sell guns
now and. Anyway SO i, thought, Well i'll just call
in the gun call and say What tom?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Satismatic, well you KNOW i can always make up an, answer, right.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
That's, right that's.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
RIGHT i appreciate the. Car do you take? Care all?
Right let's Grab steve out Of, Fargo North. Dakota, Hey,
steve you got a range of port? Forrest what you
GOT i?
Speaker 12 (23:17):
Do we were shooting a Super Black eagle three and
twenty eight gauge and when you told your story about
your mom and your dad are cutting off those guns
so that smaller statute individuals can use. Them done that
a lot with my. Sons we've got a bunch of
shotguns that are cut down to twelve thirteen. Inches game
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changer for young. Shooters but the other thing THAT i
do with young shooters is the. Gauge twenty eight gauge
is so much. Fun it's so much more effective than
a four to, ten but it's just so much friendlier
from a recoil. Standpoint so this last, weekend not this,
weekend the weekend, before we're turkey hunting and the only
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gun in the blind is my tag isn't any good
after the first week super Black eagle twenty eight, gage
three INCH tss seven, shots so it'll sit turkey out
to you know who knows forty plus yards for. Sure
and my youngest, son we had missed one the day
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or a nice big tom came in and we're hunting
out of a. Blind so when you're in a, blind
you've got issues of which window and how do you do?
Speaker 5 (24:26):
THIS i couldn't get him to commit to the.
Speaker 12 (24:28):
Decoys so we ended up a bird ended up going
to our. Right so my son asked if he could
shoot left, handed AND i said. Yes he switches to left,
handed and then he asked if he could shoot AND
i said, Yes and it was a mistake because he
just couldn't handle the gun that. Way we missed and
fired On Super Black. Eagle but that's another thing to
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know about inertial.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
Loaders it didn't throw the.
Speaker 12 (24:52):
Shell because when he, fired you, know it slipped off his.
Shoulder there was no reseptance to cycle the. Gun didn't.
Matter we wouldn't wouldn't have had another Sh but the next,
morning we're in the blind and working some what we
thought Were tom's and it's a little bit, cold and
now we've been in the blind for about three hours
and my son wanted to. Leave we're getting ready to,
leave so we're kind of checking things for the last.
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Time two jakes had snuck up on. Us they weren't
fifteen yards. Away and he, GOES i, goes so you
want to shoot a? Jake he goes, Absolutely And i'm
messing with my camera trying to videotape it and do,
whatever And i'm getting in behind him and, bang the
gun goes off because he wasn't gonna wait for me
because he'd missed that one the day before and just,
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rolle just smart, move just rolled it down the. Hill
it literally tumbled down the hill into the decoy's game set.
Match so that twenty eight page great. Round the Super
Black egle really. Fun gone small in. Stature you, know
we had that one, misfire but that was our fault
and the reason we have. One the reason we have
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a Super Black eagle is THAT i have A, Etho
so twenty eight Age, ethos really nice, guns sport sporting.
Gun it's parted and. Everything and both my sons were
shoot shooting those those shortest stock. Guns, well now my
youngest son is five to, Seven by oldest son he's,
Sixteen so the eleven year old's five to, seven the
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oldest one is six to. Two they can shoot full sized.
GUNS i made the mistake of letting my youngest son
shoot My ethos last this fall for. Pheasants well he's
not going to go back to any other, guns SO
i had to buy another. One so now we've got
two twenty eight Gates bonelli's and they're just an absolute.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Blast and you're, right that's a great range report AND
i appreciate. That thank you for that. Call the twenty
eight gauge is very much misunderstood and. Underappreciated with good
loads it. Is for the most, part it's as good
as twenty, gaugs much much much better than a. FOURTEEN
i would not start a youngster out with a. Fourteen
fourteen is really an experts. Guns it's just hard to
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down birds and break targets with a four. Ten there's
just not much shot out, there the shot patterns so
small and not very. Dense twenty eight games is a
whole different. Deal and now that we've got THIS tss,
shot which is, tungsten and it is insanely. EXPENSIVE i,
Mean i'm looking at online right now at ninety dollars
for five not for five boxes for five, rounds but
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it was that fifteen dollars. Ballo, yeah about fifteen bucks.
Around it is exactly. That but it's amazing what it.
Does AND i know people, say, well you could use
it for. Waterfowl you, could BUT i wouldn't want to
shoot a lot of that at that. Price but for
turkeys where you're only going to shoot once or twice
and it may extend your range an honest twenty. Yards
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it's amazing. Stuff one little quick story BEFORE i hit
the brake in just a. Minute, anyway The Super Black,
eagle going way back To Bonelli Super Black, eagle we
did an. Article my dad actually wrote it For sports
And field magazine when he was a shooting editor, there
and he, Said, HEY i want to get like the
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top shotguns they're out, there and, YEAH i got, It thank, You.
JIM i want to shoot the top shotguns and see
how well they. Run he, said, okay so he got
IN i think he did five of, them went out
to the local. Range he Got ammo supplied By ammo,
makers and he opened it up to the public said
come out and shoot clays FREE amo free. Guns the
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only thing was at each station they had a gun
on the table and they had a clipboard and each
time there was any kind of malfunction they had to
make a note of. It and so it's basically just
wanted to see how long they would run all these,
shotguns all automatic semi, autos without cleaning. Them, okay, fine
well it starts shooting them and they're using Good ammo.
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Target ammo allows THE amo cheap you, Know walmart TYPE, amo,
everything just mixing it all up and people just shoot
clay targets having a great old, time and one by
one they had, malfunctions and they started noting, them and
then clear At dolge saw many one by, one and
then at the end of the, test when they had
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done the whole, thing they had four guns that had,
malfunctioned one that it had. Zero The Bonelli Super Black
eagle had zero. Malfunctions without cleaning, it it just kept.
Running it's one of the reasons it's so powerful today
in terms of. Sales. Now the unfortunate part of the,
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story and it does go back to my old magazine,
days which goes way back and how magazines were running are,
run is that the, editors after he wrote the article
up and after they had proved it and sent it, in they,
said we can't run. This it's what do you, Mean,
well we're going to Make bonelli happy and make four
of our advertisers. Unhappy we're not running. It and it never.
(29:52):
Ran and that's kind of the way magazines have always been.
RUN i, MEAN i get. It that's. LOOK i was
in thegazine business for a long long, time and that
is the nature of the. Beast we just watched the
Movie The Devil Wears productude it's about basically about a,
magazine and there's some of that in, there AND i was, thinking,
yeah that's kind of how it. Works the advertisers they
(30:14):
have a, say because if you don't have the, advertisers
you don't have a, magazine you don't have a. Business
but that was the whole. Deal so if sometimes you
think the magazines are running articles about products that you
also see a full page add, on, Duh, yeah that's
how it. Works Let's Beard lyne. Three brad's with us
out Of indiana with a range oft for. Us, Hey,
brad what do you?
Speaker 5 (30:33):
GOT i just got back From arkansas WHERE i did
an active shooter instructor training With Ed munk last resort
gun training.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
Night we've had endless show here. Before how was?
Speaker 5 (30:49):
That that was absolutely? Fabulous he's got it down and,
Uh i'm sure you read his book the first thirty, Seconds,
yes and it. Is it is very very. Good AND
i would go back and heartbeat and hopefully take some,
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friends people on church security teams and so. Forth it was.
Good it was. Good you don't do a high round.
Count you do a lot of. Thinking you enter a
scenario and you've got to find the bad. Guy and
take him out and ignore the people who are down,
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wounded the. Distractions they have a soundtrack with screaming and,
gunfire and it was just very very.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
Good i'm going to.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Take a guess, here BUT i want to get your
take on it of how it, developed Because i'm thinking
the first time through is incredibly distracting and, confusing and
then the more you do, it you end up just
kind of working your way through and problem solving and
ignoring all of that.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
STUFF i didn't really like the soundtrack bother me.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
So.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Much i've done a lot of training with The Sheriff's
department and gun, signing SO i kept my mind on
sorting through the innocence and finding they would put a,
gun a long, gun or a pistol on the. Target
he had one bait that was flat paper colored, targets
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but he had the other bay was all of the
THREE d foamed torsos that were dressed in shirts and
hats and.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Things what's your takeaway if you had to tell, Somebody,
OKAY i just did this, class and this is WHAT
i learned and what you probably don't know about providing
security in an active shooter.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Situation, well a couple of Things i've learned is the
best security teams have, layers starting with people in the parking,
lot people greeting at the, door people in the. Sanctuary
so hopefully if someone's coming in meaning to do bad,
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things that someone will get an eye on them early
on instead of waiting for the guy to stand up
and pull a.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Gun, yes if you can stop them in the parking,
lot don't ever let them get in the, building you
can actually prevent the mass shitty from even.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
Starting absolutely, Absolutely So i'm hoping to take part in
a fringe little church and work with their security team
and give them a. Hand, tom you AND i are
going to be In arizona here in about a, week
and we're going to be in the same.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Class, really you're going to do the two point fifty
the old guys classic car.
Speaker 5 (33:51):
Class, Yeah i'm kind of wondering about all of us
old guys who went to gun site. BACK i went
nineteen the first, time And i'm kind of curious about
how we're going to do on the time limits of
kneeling and going. Prone how about.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
YOU i don't think kneeling and going prone's going to
be the. PROBLEM i think the time that is going
to be getting back.
Speaker 5 (34:15):
Up, okay you got me. There and also i've been
going red. Dot i've been going red dot on a
lot of. Guns But i'm going to take an iron
Sighted West bay or forty five AND i think my
right eye will still work well enough for the distances
we're going to be. SHOOTING i want to see that
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fancy custom gun of, yours, Though oh, YEAH.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
I got the fancy win. That i've got a really,
old old Old oregon Produced kimber THAT i had day
fink over at the guns like. Gunsmith you take care
of and it's teflon coated and goofy as it can.
Be and so that's my. BACKUP i may switch back and.
Forth we'll see how it. Goes but you know, what
we're going to have fun and we're going to tune,
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up BECAUSE i don't care what gun you're. Using when
you go take a five day class like, this you're
definitely going to get tuned.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
Up, Well i've been through all those classes and, this
that and the, other BUT i think there's nothing wrong
with going. Back AND i know a lot of people
who said they've done the two fifty every few years
and going back and getting the basics and especially the mindset.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Lecture absolutely for those who don't, know the two fifty
class is the introductory basic if you will. Class it's
a five day class at gun, site AND i have
taken it. Twice Now i'm taking it. AGAIN i agree with.
You you go back and you get tuned. Up WHAT
i would like to, DO i would just tell you
go ahead and reveal. This my idea IS i want
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to find out and get their real world assessment if
they THINK i am ready to and can take the
three fifty, class the next class along the, line and if,
So i'm going to sign up for one of those pretty.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
Quickly i've done three point fifty, twice and THEN i
did four ninety nine and shotgun and, carbing and THEN
i started branching out trying some other instructors and. Schools
but we used to bring In Steve taranie And Pat
rogers and a bunch of these people who knew classes
(36:20):
on site at the. Jails so, yeah BUT i just
want to back up the truck and go back and
go through the basics, again, yep and.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
See HOW i do.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
WELL i look forward to shooting with you. THERE i take,
it you, Know Sheriff ken pretty.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Well. YEAH i knew him when he was a whoa
we rode. Deputy and WHEN i went to get checked
out get my bona fides to go to gunsite the first,
time the sheriff, said, oh we had a couple of
guys just come back from, there and that's HOW i Met.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Ken And ken is now THE ceo At.
Speaker 5 (36:58):
Gunsite oh, Yeah i'll sawly become a lieutenant and the
captain and the sheriff and he. Is he is in
the best place in the world for him and he loves.
It he loves.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
It there you, Go we'll have. Fun i'll see you
in about a, week.
Speaker 5 (37:17):
You bet your. BROTHER i hope we're on the line,
together all.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Right we look forward to. IT i appreciate the. Call.
Yeah by the, way The court of The day is
in The Jay Leasee williams interview that we had last.
Hour she's a professional, shooter shoots FOR colt AND i
asked her about shoot ninete. Eleven SHE'S i don't know,
how you don't ask how, old but she's like twenty,
two twenty, one thank, You, jim just feel. Me she's
(37:42):
twenty one years old and she loved the nineteen, eleven
AND i, said, well it's like an old guy's guy
and you, know Oh man's. Gun she, says, no, NO
i love the nineteen eleven and the quote was ninety
eleven feels like home to. Me went, WOW i like.
That you. Know so she's young and cut and perky
and really has great eyes and she could shoot iron
sights like crazy and just a great ambassador for cold
(38:04):
and for the shooting sports as, well all the way.
Around so you get a chance, online take a look
at her. Website oh and she. Had she has a YouTube,
channel Jay Lee's Williams shooting with instruction, there and that
would be worthwhile as. Well so take a look at
that Jay lee's J A. L i, se thank, You,
jim Jay Lee's Williams shooting on. YouTube so there you. Go,
(38:28):
yeah be going down to. Gunsite and you, know as
our previous caller, Said i've been there several. TIMES i
go back and retake the same. Class once you've taken,
it you kind of understand and you, go, YEAH i
could use a tune up IF i haven't been back
in a couple of. Years and so a lot of
PEOPLE i know go back every two or three years
and do it. Again BUT i don't want to take
the next. CLASS i think it's just a little bit more,
(38:49):
movement a little more of this than. That but, honestly you,
know it's one of those spear of the. UNKNOWNS i
don't know how that's going to. WORK i want to
get an honest assessment After i've been through this class
and have them say, yep you could do that or
name maybe. Not we'll find. Out ain't, no, look it
is what it, is exactly what it. Is give me
a holler eighty six six talk? Guy all right for?
(39:16):
You every TIME i say something, online some are on the.
Air here's somebody's got another let's just say a different.
Opinion fair, enough we'll do.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
That.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
One mark has joined us right now BECAUSE i said
something about the four ten And mark, SAYS i beg your,
Pardon So, mark you have the, Floor, SIR i ain't.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
No, professional and that's ALL i.
Speaker 3 (39:37):
Choot.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Anymore is my fourteen THAT i got to nineteen sixty?
Seven what is? IT i don't. Know i've took it
to four or five different dealers and they can't tell.
ME i bought it for eight dollars A Girt brothers In.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
Aurora is it a popper or what is?
Speaker 4 (39:57):
It it's a single, shot, Breakover, oh breaks over all
the way and touches the trigger.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Guard oh, yeah, yes, yes, yes we had one of
those WHEN i was a.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Kid, oh it's a beautiful it's a beautiful four. TEN
i don't know what kind it.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
Is, yeah what do you use it?
Speaker 4 (40:17):
For, well back then were my uncle and my dad
would carry twenty two's and shoot jack rabbits while they were. Sitting,
well when they. Missed as, boys all that, shotguns my
two cousins, said clo. Games, uh automatics, Right, OH i
(40:37):
had was zach because they was older and most of.
DIED i come back with more rabbits than they did
with the automatics BECAUSE i only had the single shot
AND i didn't.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Miss real you had to make it count because you
knew you didn't have a follow up. Shot, Yep i'll be.
Dying do you still shoot that?
Speaker 4 (40:56):
Gun, oh that's WHAT i killed my last three turkeys.
With i'll BE i have during the week while my
grandson's at the school and he is on the, weekends
and he's killed three turkeys with the. TWO i love.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
It, well do everybody a. Favor be sure to. Record
use your phone or something records some videos of you
tell them stories about the hunts you, had and you,
know the stories that go way back with that, gun
because at this point the stories are at least as
important as the gun.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Itself well that's what the deer stand In turkey stands.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
For, OH i like. It that's. Right that is the
storytelling place it exactly that. Mark thank you for your.
CALL i appreciate. THAT i remember that old folding four
to ten single shot hammer, gun AND i DON'T i
don't remember if that was a savage or. What you,
know if you, know you probably remember that. Gun give
(41:52):
me a call let me. KNOW i just cannot. REMEMBER
i want. TO i keep wanting to say, savage BUT
i don't know for. Sure, yeah and it, would you,
know break, open but then it would fold all the
way over and be very. Compact and IF i remember,
right there was even like a little indentation in the
four end stock that would take the trigger guard in.
There so that was that was pretty cool and it
(42:15):
was just a little pack away go wait. Nothing it
was great for, kids you. Know AND i still stand
by my idea that four tens are more difficult to hit.
With they just don't have a lot of. Shot there
is a reason that in shotgun competitions the scores are
lower for four ten than they are for twenty eight and,
twelve and even you, know in, anything really four tens
(42:39):
just don't have as much. Shot the patterned density is,
less you have fewer, pellets so they're going to break fewer.
Targets they're going to be restricted on range and. Power
having said, THAT i love shooting to four. Ten i've
got a couple of The i've got to No Winchester
model forty, two which is their version of The model.
(43:01):
Twelve but in four, Ten i'm trying to, Remember i've
got A i think A remington eight seventy in, FOURTEEN
i have a shot that in. FOREVER i have to
dig that thing out and take a look at it
and just bring it up. Memories i'm thinking somewhere in
the back of a, SAFE i think there is that gun.
Somewhere i'll have to see IF i can find that.
Thing but, yeah The Winchester model forty, two what a.
(43:24):
Classic that. Is love to shoot. It but if you said,
yeah but you're gonna have bets on breaking. Targets i'm
not taking at four. Ten, Honestly i'm not even taking
a twenty. Gates i'm gonna take a twelve. Games it's
just gonna given the odds a little bit. Better there you,
go eight six six talk. Gun look at your range of.
Parts we'll be right. Back
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