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-- A newbie gets welcomed to a shooting range.
-- His scope ran out of adjustment for long range shooting, but there's a simple fix.
-- Watching the Artemis II mission brings to mind the fastest space robot, which goes 200 times faster than a speeding bullet.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 5 (00:29):
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That we can't say on regular radio.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Now here's Tom, Michelle and Jim for the Gun Talk
after Show.
Speaker 6 (00:38):
It is time for the best part of the show,
the after show, when there's three of us talking and
nobody listening.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
That's what I thought he was referring to was just us.
Speaker 6 (00:51):
Hello everybody, Michelle Leland, Jim Kins, the head, all my friends, Greetings.
I'm scrolling online and found a looking for a cowboy hat.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
I think you need another gun? I think you do?
Speaker 6 (01:03):
You think.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Three days? Maybe?
Speaker 7 (01:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Probably, I'm thinking somewhere along the line he'll come across
the gun that comes with the cowboy hat.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I'm just gonna.
Speaker 6 (01:14):
GT five. Baby. There you go.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Aren't you in like the perfect area to find a hat?
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Oh yeah, we got custom little hat makers and all
that like. Then then the problem is, you know what style?
What do you get? It's just all over the place.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Do they even make a headband that big gresham? I mean,
come on, that's sorry.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
You know I'm gonna I'm gonna go with a do
rag here you go. I'm reading the Willie Nelson autobiography.
Now that's what got me thinking about that.
Speaker 8 (01:41):
Yeah, well, say he didn't drink anymore, doesn't drink drink?
Speaker 6 (01:49):
Okay? Oh well, oh that's going to help Robert out here.
He's got called in out of North Dakota. Hey, Robert,
what's your question here? I think we can help.
Speaker 7 (02:00):
If you can.
Speaker 9 (02:00):
I have just got a quick question. So I have
a Bushmaster fifty caliber BMG bolt action rifle, and I
have a Loophold v v X six scope. I don't
think they make it anymore, but it's a seven by
forty two by fifty six millimeters scope. Now, I when
I it mounts flat to the top of the rifle.
(02:24):
So I'm not sure if I need to get different
mounting rings to where the back of the scope by
my eye is elevated. But when I dial that scope
all the way up, I can't get out to like
sixteen hundred yards, which is I should be able to
do that with a fifty calve.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
Well are you? You're correct? You figured it out here.
You need like a twenty moa rail or a just
put a some kind of mount or ring or something
on the back so the back of the scope is
slightly higher than the front, which has the effect of
raising the muzzle a little bit. You're just stepital running
(03:03):
out of elevation adjustment in your.
Speaker 9 (03:04):
Scope exactly, because when I dial it all the way
up where the round impacts in order for it to
get even close, I mean, I have to raise the
raise the muzzle up to where I can't even see
the target anymore.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Ye go, yeah, no, yeah, You've got to be able
to put the crosshairs, you know, radical right on the target.
Nothing else works, so you need adjustments.
Speaker 9 (03:30):
Okay, Now one one more quick question. I get different
answers to this. Now, when I get the when I
get the mounting rings, the proper rings and everything, do
I go ahead and still zero that weapon in at
one hundred yards?
Speaker 6 (03:45):
Don't have to? You could? Well, I would say, it
depends on your setup in your dials and everything for
your scope, But yeah, you could cite it at a
one hundred yards and then it will work the adjustments
on your dials on your scope from there. But again
I would go to the instructions that came with the scope.
But if you don't have them, Loophole will have them
(04:06):
on their website.
Speaker 9 (04:07):
Okay, sounds good, because I'm sure that's a good enough
scope because I mean it really magnifies. I mean I
can really see stuff really far away. So there's in
my thought process there's no reason why that that scope
shouldn't work.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
Well, no, and you're just asking it to do something
that it's not designed to do. There's any given scope
only has so much elevation built into the adjustments on
the radical, and when you run out, you run out.
The other part of it is, let me throw this
thing out to you too. You don't want to have
the radical adjusted all the way at the end because
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now you're not looking through the optical center of the scope.
Speaker 9 (04:47):
Okay, what can you explain that a little bit?
Speaker 6 (04:49):
Just that everything's better optically when you're looking through the
center of an optic through the lenses, you're better off there,
and you don't want that adjusted, you know, so that
you're having to always shoot it with the radical adjusted
all the way at the top. So once you get
and then I'm sure you're aware of this, but once
you get your new mount, you want to adjust the
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radical in that scope. You want to center it again,
and yeah, there's Look, this is getting into the weeds
and we're going to get lost in this. But you
want to go online and take a look at this.
There are several places you can go look up long
range shooting, adjusting your scope, getting it all set up.
(05:34):
But the bottom line is, yes, you're running out of
adjustment and you need either like a twenty MOA rail
on your rifle. Rail is like your PICCATINU rail. You
have a flat one which doesn't impart any elevation in
a twenty a imparts twenty minutes of angle adjustment on
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the rail itself. Soil is not actually flat and range no, no,
it's not adjustable. It's fixed at high. Okay, so you're
starting off that way because that's only for a rifle
that's made for shooting a long ring.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
You got it, got it.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
But if you're doing long range shooting, you've got to
have a rail like that. Gotcha.
Speaker 8 (06:17):
Okay, shall learn something, shell learn something you didn't learn,
you do.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Know, I just made all that up. Yeah, okay, good, good,
the same, all the same.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
You'll double check.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Yes, Yeah, where's my chat GPT rock thing where I
can find out lardie. Well, let's go grabbing the Cole
out of Massachusetts because I believe we got a range
report coming up here.
Speaker 7 (06:41):
Hey to Cole Hi there, I have a couple of
range reports actually, okay, number one, my friend came in.
I don't know if you remember a few years ago.
I think it was like twenty twenty three. They came
up with their MP three twenty. It was like their
calibers changed it and there's like a PDW so oh
(07:02):
grit mad that you put the three twenty FCU into.
Oh yeah, Well, apparently they had a palette of those
that got forgotten about someone in their warehouse, and they
only made a limited run of those, of like eight hundred.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Let me guess your friend got the whole palette.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
No, no, but he showed up with this thing, and
what a joy to shoot out was. I had a
good time with that. That was verre fun. Okay, it
was a limited run, and from what I looked up,
they stopped because Flux Raiders started making their their three
twenty version, right, so, but it was really fun. I
(07:43):
had a good time with that. Yeah. And then for
the first time I've had this thing sitting in my
face for like a year and a half, I took
out my KSG twelve today and.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
I tell tell people what that is. I know, but
it's like one of the goofiest well more more fun
and also it's pretty good self defense rate right there.
Speaker 7 (08:04):
Yeah, it's a it's a Bullpop twelve gage and it
takes I think it's seven in each tube and the
two tube plus one in the pipes if you wanted
to have that. But today we used and I wanted
to see if it would work and did We used
the agular mini shells or a However, how many.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
Of those little short shotgun shells could you get in
that gun?
Speaker 7 (08:29):
I didn't count. It was like twenty one.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
It's like a box. You can almost get the whole
box in that shot.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
Add more or less, and you know what, shotguns are
not fun to shoot. That thing was fun. I had a.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Fun Do you have those short shells?
Speaker 6 (08:43):
Yeah, that's a good point. And the other part of
it is those little mini shells from Aguila. They actually
make some loads that are pretty good for self defense.
I mean there's you know, a little buck shot loads.
Nothing to war wrong with those like for home defense.
Speaker 7 (08:59):
Well, we were slugs because of arrange. You know, you
didn't want your shoots because it'll destroy the woods, you know,
the frames for targets.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
But yeah, the slugs welled, of course.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Well they but we have a gone so od.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
But yeah, let me let me describe this. You got
a pump shotgun that has two feed tubes. Now do
you have to I can't remember, doesn't have a selector
you switch from one tube to the other. It does, yep,
So you could conceive that we have one tube full
of slugs and one full of buckshot.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
Exactly.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Nice.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
I like it.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
Yeah, it was fun. I had a good time. And
then I have a follow up to my last call.
I've actually made friends with the president of our club
and he helped me side in my my m one
a and I'm actually going to be going for my
instructor and they want to try putting me on the
(10:07):
deir cadre of instructors for the club.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Well, congratulations, that's excellent.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Yeah, that's a big change. That's awesome.
Speaker 7 (10:13):
Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty excited. You know, he was pretty
adamant that. You know, the club is very good on
you know, making sure everybody's respectful and if anybody gives
me a hard time, you know, they would they would
address it. So it was pretty good. So I followed
your advice and you know.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
Just to get out there and out. Yeah. I mean,
and we've talked about this for years. I found the
gun shooting community to be very open and welcoming to
anybody that wants to come in and shoot. As long
as you're safe, you're okay with us.
Speaker 7 (10:47):
Yeah, exactly, there you go.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Well, congrats and by the way, I love the report
on that shotgun. That is this and people got to
go look that up. Now that's just the coolest KSG
coolest shotgun. Hey to Carl, thank you for the call
forpreciate that. Michelle. Have you had a chance to ever
see one of those goofy shotguns?
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I have not. Nope. I mean I have seen bullpups,
but I've not seen them.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
One with the two tubes, the say, if you can
imagine having your regular feed tube for your shotgun, yeah,
two of them and a selector switch. You can go
from one to the other and you can I think
Nicole said you could get like seven regular rounds, which
means you could probably get eleven or twelve of the
mini shells in each tube.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah. That's and those mini shells are They're a game
changer for sure.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
With the recoil, yes, and the lower recoils yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
And I mean there might be a little priceier, but honestly,
with the price of buckshot or slugs or anything else
like that, I think they're probably in line.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
And we've shot them with bird shot and they break
targets just fine out to thirty five yards not a problem.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Do you remember what the I don't remember offhand what
the load is.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
I don't I would have to look it up. And
this is aguila or a lot of people say aguila, Agua, Aguila.
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
It's like tomato, tomato, Yeah, that's right, say it right or.
Speaker 8 (12:19):
Not?
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Tortilla.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So with that, how do you when you're giving somebody
the opportunity to shoot a bullpup? What is the stance
that you tell them to use to shoot one correctly?
Speaker 6 (12:38):
If it is a pup a pump rather, First of all,
it's like, okay, is it semiauto? And where's the ejection?
You got to be aware of that, especially if you're
shooting left handed with a right handed ejection, you got
to really be aware of that because it probably ain't
gonna work. Yep. What I have learned from all the
shooting schools is that if you're shooting a shotgun, for
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like a home defense defensive type shotgun, you want to
have a very squared up stance, not sideways, not like
you know the traditional rifle shooter where you're standing sideways
and all you are a square up to the target
and face it like you're a linebacker or something waiting
for the play.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (13:22):
Is that does that help?
Speaker 4 (13:23):
And holding the shotgun in what position?
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Not at the hip?
Speaker 5 (13:26):
You're talking about guys coming in at the hip? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Do what?
Speaker 7 (13:30):
Now?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Where how are you holding the shotgun? Are you holding
that arms extended out in front of you down by
the hip like where I've got.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
The butt of the shotgun in my shoulder all the time.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Okay, And lower.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
The muzzle at like a forty five degree angle if
I'm not shooting. But then when it's time to shoot,
it just swings up and goes on target.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Okay, all right, because yes, Jim alluding to the fact
that a lot of people take them out and they do.
They tend to hold them up against their hip, their side, yep,
and that's how they shoot them.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
That would be a really good way to miss everything.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
It would be a good way to take up those
frames at the range.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Yet, yes, yes, And typically when people shoot from the hip,
they generally shoot way high, I mean really high until
they kind of get it figured out. But the tendency
is to shoot really high. And if you ever need
to do that with a long gun, think about shooting
them basically like crotch level and you're probably had a
(14:29):
mid chest. Yeah, but you know the you know the
way to know, go out and try it, Go do it,
try it. Yeah, But shooting from the hip is like, okay,
why are we doing that? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
For Facebook, Yeah, there's that, you know, my home surveillance
video and I.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
Gotta I gotta feed the gram and it's like okay,
so but no, put that butt of that shotgun in
your shoulder. Oh yeah. By the way, everybody, your shotgun
needs a sling. If it's a self defense tool, it's
long gun, it must have a sling.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
You're talking, how many point sling do you like?
Speaker 6 (15:05):
Two? Don't like the single point sling? That's our just
right bangs, you're right in the private when.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
You let go of it.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
Just this thing is flopping around in exactly the wrong place.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
So there's that thank you for that visual time.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
I'm just like you say, okay, so no regular two
point sling, you know, big deal. You could go with
like a Vicker's tactical sling. Those are very good of
course from Blue Force gear you can go to those.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, people also like those like the bungee Again, you're
right back to God.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
I think I would. I just I think about that
thing breaking out all my teeth with a bunge of
a bungee cord on a sling, and you stretch it
out and let go and whack.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Well, you don't let go except.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
That that's the point of the sling. You gotta let go.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
That's why you shoot, move, shoot, move, shoot moove.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
I mean, the whole idea of the sling is you
can let go of it and either go to your
handgun or go hands on or do first aid or
open a door. But if you've got a bungee cord
and you've got that thing stretched out in front of
you and you don't let go.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Oh good lord, it's the exact I mean, you can
do this yourself. You can blow up a balloon and
you can hold it in your hand and the little
part that you blew up and tied off, the little end. Yeah,
if you pull that back and you let go of
the balloon, that snaps you in the fingers.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
So this is obviously kind of like that. Yeah, more intense, an.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Eight pound shock of steel coming back at you. What
happened if he butt stroked himself.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Well, there's some terminology, very scientifical.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I've never heard of that before.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
Oh yeah, that's a real thing. Oh yeah, Oh lord, Okay,
we're gonna take a break at Jim's gonna go erase
all of.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
That off of pretty much.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Yeah, don't blame you, Jim.
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Speaker 6 (17:50):
Okay, I'm still working on the whole bungee cord sling
thing and they can own no, yes, you are no,
just okay, but yeah, no, a defensive shotgun go back
to where we were. If you have a gun, either
coming out of your holster or you've got a defensive
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gun in your hand, rifle or shotgun, it needs to
be pointed down range towards the threat. Now, it may
not be level, you know, you may have it at
a forty five degree angle the ready position, if you will,
but it's got to be where you could just bring
it up and it's on target. And that's where keeping
that butt of that gun in your shoulder all the
time and you're walking around like that and you got it, lord,
(18:31):
so you can look, you can swivel your head and see.
But then it didn't take any effort at all to
just bring the mosel back up, use the sights, whatever
it is, impress the trigger if you have to.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Right, Basically, you're always on the ready.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
You're always on a ready. If you're not, what are
you doing right?
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Right?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
It's just like you would see any kind of military
force with their two two three's, with.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Their exactly the US and yeah, they've got in their shoulders.
You know, they're not walking around like they're cruising through
a parking lot out there right right.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
But it's I think it's a good point to take
in is you know, it has to be attached and
to you tightly, and I mean not so tightly that
you're not able to maneuver it. But it takes some
time to get used to those SLINKs because they're awkward
at first.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Yeah, yeah they are, but you got to be able
to move it around. That's where again, taking a real
like our caller earlier, he's going to take a shotgun class.
They will teach him at a real shotgun class how
to use a slung shotgun and how you transition from
that to your handgun. And you know, do you just
let go of it or do you actually swing the
muzzle down with one like if your right hand, with
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your left hand it comes down and with your right
hand you're going to the pistol at the same time,
you don't just let go of it and let it
flop around. There really are techniques that guess what people
are figured out, and you know, over the years of
doing all this.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
Stuff, right, show clean two point slinky two point slinky light?
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Don't you exact the idea of.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
A slinky sl the other thing, and I'm sure that.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Twenty six.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
It was my name too late, I hadn't.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
I got muscled right out of that.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
So the other thing I'm sure that they will cover
is the use of the correct ammunition, whether it's buckshot, slugs,
whatever it might be, because I know a lot of
people are concerned about travel through drywall and you know,
covering the house versus just using shot. But you know,
when you go out there and you use shot in
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some of these guns, you realize the spread isn't what
you think it is in a short distance.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Oh no, it's it's it's the size of your hand.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
But in the movies, right, you know.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
Take you take everybody out with one shot, and there
would be very to your question about the animal. Yeah,
that'd be very few times when bird shot would be recommended. Yeah,
that would be a really sad slice thing. But choosing
between buckshot and slug is really a matter of range
more than anything, because unfortunately the reality is that all
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of them will go through sheet rock. We we set
up a it was a great test. We made three
walls for penetration tests and each wall was on two
by fours with a piece of sheet sheet rock on
either side. So for the three walls, you had six
sheets of sheet rock you have to go through, and
(21:34):
Buckshot went through all six of them every time.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Even shooting through like a gelatin or anything like that.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
No, no, no, no, no no, I'm just talking about
just shooting the walls now, not yeah, not shooting through
a person type deal.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
It takes all the fun out of it.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
We had, you know, we had, We tried for weeks.
We could not get a single volunteer.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
We need some target holders comes to the ring.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
That's probably a YouTube video somewhere, because I have you've
seen the ones that people walk around and shooting next
to each other and moving in.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Yeah, ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Yeah, that's why they avented the butt stroke, just go
right upside his head.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
That again, I'm out of here, okay, yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
But yeah, switching between buckshot and slug. And that's why
on a good defensive gun you have side saddle and
you have extra ammo there and you actually train and
learn how to wreck one round out and feed around
the end from the side saddle, which is an attachment
on the gun where you pull one round out and
you can slide it in and you can like go
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immediately to a slug. If you had buckshot in there
and all of a sudden you've got somebody out there
at thirty yards and you need to put a slug
on him, then you could do.
Speaker 8 (22:54):
That pump or something on a semi auto. That'd be
hard to correct. Yeah, it's more involved. It's yeah, pump is.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
The movement because I know we're into red dots a lot, right,
I mean that that is like everything in the handgun world.
I don't know on the technical side with the shotguns.
I know that they can be put on there, but
I don't know it's very much.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Yeah, same thing. We're doing the red dots on shotguns,
and why wouldn't you You're using it like a rifle.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
So the concern because I know in scopes they make
shotguns specific scopes.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Do they do that for the red dots?
Speaker 6 (23:33):
I don't think so, because the thing is, the red
dots are really robust. If they're sitting on a slide
on a pistol and getting getting knocked around like that.
The shotgun recoil is not gonna be an issue. There's
also not enough masks on these little bit red dots
to mount anything.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
My only my only downfall with some of these red dots,
and you really have to do a lot of shopping around.
But the dot is too large, you know, I want
that small red dots size because most of them are
like sixes right trees. So depending on what you're putting
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it on is okay, But you know, I don't know.
That's one thing that initially looking into it, it's like, okay,
you really do have to kind of do some research
and have the hand and the scenario potentially of what
you're going to be using them for to know if
it's the right dot.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
That is a great argument to getting it from a
store instead of online where you can actually they'll have
them mounted up, probably on dummy guns, where you can
point them out there and look at them. By the
way it's going to I heard somebody just this week
tell me and just irritates the dell out of me.
I didn't say anything to her about it because it
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wasn't time the place, but she says, oh yeah, I
like to go to the local store and shop and
find out what I need and not go buy all
lot online.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
You're thinking you really, right, really the thing they do that,
but to admit it, come on.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Well yeah, no, it's the whole thing to do it.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
I mean exactly, how are.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
You even thinking about the fact that this store owner
spent three million dollars to build the store. They're sitting there,
has all this inventory, have all these employees in there,
and then you say, I'll go take advantage of everything
that you put out here for locals and then make
sure you don't get a dime out of it. I'm
(25:29):
going for an extra twenty bucks. I'm going to go
buy it cheaper online.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Well, because you know, next time you want to go
look at something, guess what's not going to be there?
Speaker 8 (25:38):
Right, I need to get my gun fixed at the
store I didn't buy it.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Yeah, yeah, that's not there.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's the push. It's it is
crazy that we're I get it. I get cutting costs
on some things, but you want and you've got educated
information because a lot of these people put education and
behind their people. You know, so somebody is specifically in
scopes or they're specifically and handguns, et cetera, et cetera.
(26:07):
So they're trained for this and they have all, you know,
hopefully all the answers, and if not, work with you
to figure something out.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
And then you go take advantage of all of that.
Use the services, use the facility, use their inventory that
they paid for there. They've actually got a loan and
they're paying interest on all that stuff sitting there. Yeah,
and you take advantage of all of that and then
essentially robbed them by going and buying your online. That's
just low.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
It is a little aggravating, I understand, and I appreciate, Yeah,
I appreciate you putting the word out there, because it's
definitely a fight for local stores.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
It is, you know. Just well anyway, that was my
peeve of the week or with Wow, not only is
she doing it, but she's just happy telling people she doesn't.
I'm going you don't have any idea what you're saying
or how it makes you look right, you know, and
it doesn't elevate you in my eye. Let me just
tell you that, Yeah, it doesn't make you smart.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
Speaking of elevating, and in your eyes, Tom, you set
me down a rabbit hole.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Unknowingly.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
I'm looking up optic rails that have you know, adjustable,
not adjustable but set.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Right with yeah offset.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
Your next rifle comes with a twenty three inch optics
reels set at twenty seven m o A.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
That's the stock that they ship it with. Is that
for his that's for his BMG, Oh.
Speaker 8 (27:32):
Fifty BMG semi auto pistol pistol?
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Sure not for his Idaho Safari gun.
Speaker 8 (27:43):
What is the purpose of a handle on top of
a BMG when you're gonna put a scope up there anyway, but.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
You need to carry it somehow.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Jim, you take the scullpe on and off every time?
Maybe you do.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
I don't know, no, no, it just you know, it
depends on the model and what you're doing with it.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Yeah right, it just looks funky.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
Okay, yeah, you know, look funny.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
Ten grand Tom Honey just pulled out his credit card
he once to get.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Yeah, that's right. But you know what it's like in
paying poker. That's the ante to get into the game, right,
just get you started.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Then you have to build the range in order to
shoot it.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
I got a buddy who's got a fifty BMG. He
loves to shoot in his private range. His range goes
all the way out to one hundred and fifteen yards.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Oh seriously, and how often is he replacing dirt?
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Oh no, he has a gong. Wow. He had to
keep going more and more plates back to back.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
The heaviest chain, I mean it's a tractor pull chain. Wow.
And you hit that thing and it just I mean, yeah,
seven hundred and fifty grand bullet hit this thing basically
off the muzzle. Really.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Oh, I thought that was mom calling for dinner the
other day, exactly.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Man.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
And if he has a friend shoot it and they
shoot the chain, it's all over baby.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Oh yeah, that's a dimmith my god.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
But yeah, So the lack of long range doesn't mean
you can't have a fifty BMG.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Okay, well there you go, Tommy. You can have one.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Great, great farmant round.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
I shot a paray dog with a fifty BMG.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
It only would have had that when you were like
fourteen years of age free a gun.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Was there anything left of said animal?
Speaker 6 (29:26):
Tom Yes, And we were not going to how I
was disposed of. There are some things that there's no
statute limitations on.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Yeah, and we're probably not going to get Peter as
a sponsor.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
I'm assuming, well, yeah, we probably weren't either way, so
we're okay with that. So Harveie Dylan, you know, you know,
she was posting online about she's changing her exercise routine,
she's going to more protein and what she's going to do.
People are recommending this and that, and I said, look,
I got a freezer full of moose because she was
(30:01):
looking for like organic and all of that. This is
organic as it gets. There's not a hormone to be
found in game meat, I said, And I'll supply you,
as will all your hunter buddies, and you could have
all of this natural resource, renewable, great protein anytime you want,
because gay meat is fabulous for that. And no response, right, well,
(30:22):
look it was on an X post, just like it's
not not you know, it's like she has a good
probably a million people following her an X.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Now there's probably handling account for exactly.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Yeah. Yeah, I actually know the lady who's doing it
for her. She's the one I worked with to get
her meat on the show. So I guess I should
just say, hey, look I'm sending you something. Don't let
it sit out on the front porch for a.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Real long time. That doesn't sound suspect.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Him. This is the f you like to have a
conversation with you, just in peace.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
For sample purposes, I can give you mine when we're
off the air.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
Sure, okay, sure we did have a Uh was that Saturday? Yeah? Saturday?
We had a musburger gathering over here. I would think, oh, no,
it's Friday. Because we we watched the Artemis landing while
we were doing that.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
That's cool. There's definitely enough to go around.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
Yeah, yes, there is. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
Oh oh.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
I was telling Jim before the show, speaking of Artemis,
we were looking up how fast it went twenty four
thousand miles an hour, which is like thirty six thousand
feet per second, So it's like ten times what your
your fast bullet is going two that's a different And
then I said, well, what's what's the fastest. There is
(31:45):
a spaceship out there, robotic spaceship that we sent out
many years ago that's orbiting the Sun. It's called the
Parker Solar Probe four hundred and twenty thousand miles an hour.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
It have to to stay cooled.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
Down well, And the thing is it's going that fast
because it's surfing, it's getting pulled in by the gravity
of the Sun and then spins around and goes back
out for quite a while and then comes back and
gets sucked back in. What I've looked it up, it
was like two hundred times faster than a thirty odd six.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Well, I kind of with the historical part of this,
the aspect of this, because I said, it's pretty amazing
because the generation that saw the landing on the Moon,
the first landing on the Moon, gets to see this
for the most part.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
And how incredible is that.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
You know the difference of being the first person to
be on the Moon and then here we are circling
the moon.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
Right. Of course, you got to be of a certain
age to remember the moon shot and all, but most
of us and our little crowd here were And I
did not know we had this many nerd friends because
they were geeking out. We didn't. We weren't watching like network.
I was using an airplay for my phone. I had
the NASA channel running on the big screen TV, and
we were geeking out on that. It was great.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Well, and I said, to go from being sucked into
the orbit and pulled down with the speeds for the
amount of parachutes in it. It's amazing how they land
and doesn't implode from the change of temperature.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
It's amazing.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
Can you imagine here the job description. Yeah, we're going
to go send you around the moon and then we're
gonna come back and you're gonna be in this little
thing that's going to heat up to five thousand degrees
and you'll be fine. Trust me, it's going to be good.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
We'll get you exactly right here off the coast of California.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
Right, we'll touch down within one second of when we
said we were.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
It's crazy crazy. There's a lot of mathing going on there,
a lot of mathing.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yes, that's kudos to them. Very exciting time. I'm glad
that glad that it's out there and happening again.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Yeah. So each time you think that you've got a
really fast load for your I remember there's something out
there going two hundred times fast Harker.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
So yeah, you should call Samy and see what are
the specs on this is can get at any faster
and still be safe.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Yeah an hour.
Speaker 6 (34:12):
Convert four hundred and twenty thousand miles an hour to
feet per second. It's like three hundred thousand feet per
second or so. It's just incredible.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
It is rocket science.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
Yeah, yeah it is.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 6 (34:25):
Yeah. Yeah, there there it is. Yeah, there are those
people and they can do that, and we thought, you know,
and back in the back corner, if you look really
to carefully, there was just this glass room. I don't
know if you saw it. And there's a guy in
this He's got a white shirt on and a skinny
black tie and he's got a slide rule and said,
in case of emergency, break glass.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Oh my gosh, what could go wrong?
Speaker 6 (34:50):
Yeah, exactly, that's great. Well, tell you what, I'm headed
to Houston and we'll do this next week. We'll do
a live show so people can all in and then
I can say, hey, can you flag down? I don't
know Ted NuGen, so cheer trust me. If Nugen's around, he'll.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Be yeah yeah. So are you going to take part
in fleet week?
Speaker 6 (35:12):
I probably am not. It's a as you said, fifty
miles down to Galveston from Houston. OK, So it's a
it's a stretch to run down there, and I'm not
going to have like a half a day to do that.
We're actually doing workish kind of things.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
I know, God, get your priority straight man.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
It's just this thing at work. We have to look
at guns and talk to people about guns and guns
and ikey, ikey. I might even find something I can't
live without.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Get Well, that's a first.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
Well it's been a week.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I mean, come on, you never know. Could be the
next Wilson project.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
It's true.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Yeah, fourteen play.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
I was pretty happy having Bill Wilson on, By the way, that.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Was that was awesome.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Yeah, you had some great interviews today. Great interviews, really
did Yeah what happened?
Speaker 5 (36:05):
They were great?
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Well, no exciting and new stuff and yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
It's just what she went to say for you, Tom,
this was actually a good show. Its really you.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Goodbye.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
With that, she was out the door.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
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Speaker 4 (00:33):
Now here's Tom, Michelle and Jim for the Gun Talk
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Speaker 6 (00:38):
It is time for the best part of the show,
the after show, when there's three of us talking and
nobody listening.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
That's what I thought he was referring to was just us.
Speaker 6 (00:51):
Hello everybody, Michelle Leland, Jim Kins, the head, all my friends, Greetings.
I'm scrolling online and found a looking for a cowboy hat.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
I think you need another gun? I think you do?
Speaker 6 (01:03):
You think.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
Three days? Maybe?
Speaker 7 (01:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Probably, I'm thinking somewhere along the line he'll come across
the gun that comes with the cowboy hat.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I'm just gonna.
Speaker 6 (01:14):
GT five. Baby. There you go.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Aren't you in like the perfect area to find a hat?
Speaker 6 (01:20):
Oh yeah, we got custom little hat makers and all
that like. Then then the problem is, you know what style?
What do you get? It's just all over the place.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Do they even make a headband that big gresham? I mean,
come on, that's sorry.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
You know I'm gonna I'm gonna go with a do
rag here you go. I'm reading the Willie Nelson autobiography.
Now that's what got me thinking about that.
Speaker 8 (01:41):
Yeah, well, say he didn't drink anymore, doesn't drink drink?
Speaker 6 (01:49):
Okay? Oh well, oh that's going to help Robert out here.
He's got called in out of North Dakota. Hey, Robert,
what's your question here? I think we can help.
Speaker 7 (02:00):
If you can.
Speaker 9 (02:00):
I have just got a quick question. So I have
a Bushmaster fifty caliber BMG bolt action rifle, and I
have a Loophold v v X six scope. I don't
think they make it anymore, but it's a seven by
forty two by fifty six millimeters scope. Now, I when
I it mounts flat to the top of the rifle.
(02:24):
So I'm not sure if I need to get different
mounting rings to where the back of the scope by
my eye is elevated. But when I dial that scope
all the way up, I can't get out to like
sixteen hundred yards, which is I should be able to
do that with a fifty calve.
Speaker 6 (02:41):
Well are you? You're correct? You figured it out here.
You need like a twenty moa rail or a just
put a some kind of mount or ring or something
on the back so the back of the scope is
slightly higher than the front, which has the effect of
raising the muzzle a little bit. You're just stepital running
(03:03):
out of elevation adjustment in your.
Speaker 9 (03:04):
Scope exactly, because when I dial it all the way
up where the round impacts in order for it to
get even close, I mean, I have to raise the
raise the muzzle up to where I can't even see
the target anymore.
Speaker 6 (03:19):
Ye go, yeah, no, yeah, You've got to be able
to put the crosshairs, you know, radical right on the target.
Nothing else works, so you need adjustments.
Speaker 9 (03:30):
Okay, Now one one more quick question. I get different
answers to this. Now, when I get the when I
get the mounting rings, the proper rings and everything, do
I go ahead and still zero that weapon in at
one hundred yards?
Speaker 6 (03:45):
Don't have to? You could? Well, I would say, it
depends on your setup in your dials and everything for
your scope, But yeah, you could cite it at a
one hundred yards and then it will work the adjustments
on your dials on your scope from there. But again
I would go to the instructions that came with the scope.
But if you don't have them, Loophole will have them
(04:06):
on their website.
Speaker 9 (04:07):
Okay, sounds good, because I'm sure that's a good enough
scope because I mean it really magnifies. I mean I
can really see stuff really far away. So there's in
my thought process there's no reason why that that scope
shouldn't work.
Speaker 6 (04:22):
Well, no, and you're just asking it to do something
that it's not designed to do. There's any given scope
only has so much elevation built into the adjustments on
the radical, and when you run out, you run out.
The other part of it is, let me throw this
thing out to you too. You don't want to have
the radical adjusted all the way at the end because
(04:43):
now you're not looking through the optical center of the scope.
Speaker 9 (04:47):
Okay, what can you explain that a little bit?
Speaker 6 (04:49):
Just that everything's better optically when you're looking through the
center of an optic through the lenses, you're better off there,
and you don't want that adjusted, you know, so that
you're having to always shoot it with the radical adjusted
all the way at the top. So once you get
and then I'm sure you're aware of this, but once
you get your new mount, you want to adjust the
(05:13):
radical in that scope. You want to center it again,
and yeah, there's Look, this is getting into the weeds
and we're going to get lost in this. But you
want to go online and take a look at this.
There are several places you can go look up long
range shooting, adjusting your scope, getting it all set up.
(05:34):
But the bottom line is, yes, you're running out of
adjustment and you need either like a twenty MOA rail
on your rifle. Rail is like your PICCATINU rail. You
have a flat one which doesn't impart any elevation in
a twenty a imparts twenty minutes of angle adjustment on
(05:58):
the rail itself. Soil is not actually flat and range no, no,
it's not adjustable. It's fixed at high. Okay, so you're
starting off that way because that's only for a rifle
that's made for shooting a long ring.
Speaker 5 (06:13):
You got it, got it.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
But if you're doing long range shooting, you've got to
have a rail like that. Gotcha.
Speaker 8 (06:17):
Okay, shall learn something, shell learn something you didn't learn,
you do.
Speaker 6 (06:23):
Know, I just made all that up. Yeah, okay, good, good,
the same, all the same.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
You'll double check.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Yes, Yeah, where's my chat GPT rock thing where I
can find out lardie. Well, let's go grabbing the Cole
out of Massachusetts because I believe we got a range
report coming up here.
Speaker 7 (06:41):
Hey to Cole Hi there, I have a couple of
range reports actually, okay, number one, my friend came in.
I don't know if you remember a few years ago.
I think it was like twenty twenty three. They came
up with their MP three twenty. It was like their
calibers changed it and there's like a PDW so oh
(07:02):
grit mad that you put the three twenty FCU into.
Oh yeah, Well, apparently they had a palette of those
that got forgotten about someone in their warehouse, and they
only made a limited run of those, of like eight hundred.
Speaker 6 (07:16):
Let me guess your friend got the whole palette.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
No, no, but he showed up with this thing, and
what a joy to shoot out was. I had a
good time with that. That was verre fun. Okay, it
was a limited run, and from what I looked up,
they stopped because Flux Raiders started making their their three
twenty version, right, so, but it was really fun. I
(07:43):
had a good time with that. Yeah. And then for
the first time I've had this thing sitting in my
face for like a year and a half, I took
out my KSG twelve today and.
Speaker 6 (07:55):
I tell tell people what that is. I know, but
it's like one of the goofiest well more more fun
and also it's pretty good self defense rate right there.
Speaker 7 (08:04):
Yeah, it's a it's a Bullpop twelve gage and it
takes I think it's seven in each tube and the
two tube plus one in the pipes if you wanted
to have that. But today we used and I wanted
to see if it would work and did We used
the agular mini shells or a However, how many.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
Of those little short shotgun shells could you get in
that gun?
Speaker 7 (08:29):
I didn't count. It was like twenty one.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
It's like a box. You can almost get the whole
box in that shot.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
Add more or less, and you know what, shotguns are
not fun to shoot. That thing was fun. I had a.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Fun Do you have those short shells?
Speaker 6 (08:43):
Yeah, that's a good point. And the other part of
it is those little mini shells from Aguila. They actually
make some loads that are pretty good for self defense.
I mean there's you know, a little buck shot loads.
Nothing to war wrong with those like for home defense.
Speaker 7 (08:59):
Well, we were slugs because of arrange. You know, you
didn't want your shoots because it'll destroy the woods, you know,
the frames for targets.
Speaker 6 (09:09):
But yeah, the slugs welled, of course.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Well they but we have a gone so od.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
But yeah, let me let me describe this. You got
a pump shotgun that has two feed tubes. Now do
you have to I can't remember, doesn't have a selector
you switch from one tube to the other. It does, yep,
So you could conceive that we have one tube full
of slugs and one full of buckshot.
Speaker 7 (09:42):
Exactly.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Nice.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
I like it.
Speaker 7 (09:45):
Yeah, it was fun. I had a good time. And
then I have a follow up to my last call.
I've actually made friends with the president of our club
and he helped me side in my my m one
a and I'm actually going to be going for my
instructor and they want to try putting me on the
(10:07):
deir cadre of instructors for the club.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Well, congratulations, that's excellent.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Yeah, that's a big change. That's awesome.
Speaker 7 (10:13):
Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty excited. You know, he was pretty
adamant that. You know, the club is very good on
you know, making sure everybody's respectful and if anybody gives
me a hard time, you know, they would they would
address it. So it was pretty good. So I followed
your advice and you know.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
Just to get out there and out. Yeah. I mean,
and we've talked about this for years. I found the
gun shooting community to be very open and welcoming to
anybody that wants to come in and shoot. As long
as you're safe, you're okay with us.
Speaker 7 (10:47):
Yeah, exactly, there you go.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
Well, congrats and by the way, I love the report
on that shotgun. That is this and people got to
go look that up. Now that's just the coolest KSG
coolest shotgun. Hey to Carl, thank you for the call
forpreciate that. Michelle. Have you had a chance to ever
see one of those goofy shotguns?
Speaker 4 (11:04):
I have not. Nope. I mean I have seen bullpups,
but I've not seen them.
Speaker 6 (11:09):
One with the two tubes, the say, if you can
imagine having your regular feed tube for your shotgun, yeah,
two of them and a selector switch. You can go
from one to the other and you can I think
Nicole said you could get like seven regular rounds, which
means you could probably get eleven or twelve of the
mini shells in each tube.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Yeah. That's and those mini shells are They're a game
changer for sure.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
With the recoil, yes, and the lower recoils yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
And I mean there might be a little priceier, but honestly,
with the price of buckshot or slugs or anything else
like that, I think they're probably in line.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
And we've shot them with bird shot and they break
targets just fine out to thirty five yards not a problem.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Do you remember what the I don't remember offhand what
the load is.
Speaker 6 (12:04):
I don't I would have to look it up. And
this is aguila or a lot of people say aguila, Agua, Aguila.
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (12:13):
It's like tomato, tomato, Yeah, that's right, say it right or.
Speaker 8 (12:19):
Not?
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Tortilla.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
So with that, how do you when you're giving somebody
the opportunity to shoot a bullpup? What is the stance
that you tell them to use to shoot one correctly?
Speaker 6 (12:38):
If it is a pup a pump rather, First of all,
it's like, okay, is it semiauto? And where's the ejection?
You got to be aware of that, especially if you're
shooting left handed with a right handed ejection, you got
to really be aware of that because it probably ain't
gonna work. Yep. What I have learned from all the
shooting schools is that if you're shooting a shotgun, for
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like a home defense defensive type shotgun, you want to
have a very squared up stance, not sideways, not like
you know the traditional rifle shooter where you're standing sideways
and all you are a square up to the target
and face it like you're a linebacker or something waiting
for the play.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (13:22):
Is that does that help?
Speaker 4 (13:23):
And holding the shotgun in what position?
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Not at the hip?
Speaker 5 (13:26):
You're talking about guys coming in at the hip? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (13:30):
Do what?
Speaker 7 (13:30):
Now?
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Where how are you holding the shotgun? Are you holding
that arms extended out in front of you down by
the hip like where I've got.
Speaker 6 (13:38):
The butt of the shotgun in my shoulder all the time.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Okay, And lower.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
The muzzle at like a forty five degree angle if
I'm not shooting. But then when it's time to shoot,
it just swings up and goes on target.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Okay, all right, because yes, Jim alluding to the fact
that a lot of people take them out and they do.
They tend to hold them up against their hip, their side, yep,
and that's how they shoot them.
Speaker 6 (14:02):
That would be a really good way to miss everything.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
It would be a good way to take up those
frames at the range.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Yet, yes, yes, And typically when people shoot from the hip,
they generally shoot way high, I mean really high until
they kind of get it figured out. But the tendency
is to shoot really high. And if you ever need
to do that with a long gun, think about shooting
them basically like crotch level and you're probably had a
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mid chest. Yeah, but you know the you know the
way to know, go out and try it, Go do it,
try it. Yeah, But shooting from the hip is like, okay,
why are we doing that? I don't know.
Speaker 5 (14:41):
For Facebook, Yeah, there's that, you know, my home surveillance
video and I.
Speaker 6 (14:46):
Gotta I gotta feed the gram and it's like okay,
so but no, put that butt of that shotgun in
your shoulder. Oh yeah. By the way, everybody, your shotgun
needs a sling. If it's a self defense tool, it's
long gun, it must have a sling.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
You're talking, how many point sling do you like?
Speaker 6 (15:05):
Two? Don't like the single point sling? That's our just
right bangs, you're right in the private when.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
You let go of it.
Speaker 6 (15:13):
Just this thing is flopping around in exactly the wrong place.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
So there's that thank you for that visual time.
Speaker 6 (15:21):
I'm just like you say, okay, so no regular two
point sling, you know, big deal. You could go with
like a Vicker's tactical sling. Those are very good of
course from Blue Force gear you can go to those.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yeah, people also like those like the bungee Again, you're
right back to God.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
I think I would. I just I think about that
thing breaking out all my teeth with a bunge of
a bungee cord on a sling, and you stretch it
out and let go and whack.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Well, you don't let go except.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
That that's the point of the sling. You gotta let go.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
That's why you shoot, move, shoot, move, shoot moove.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
I mean, the whole idea of the sling is you
can let go of it and either go to your
handgun or go hands on or do first aid or
open a door. But if you've got a bungee cord
and you've got that thing stretched out in front of
you and you don't let go.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Oh good lord, it's the exact I mean, you can
do this yourself. You can blow up a balloon and
you can hold it in your hand and the little
part that you blew up and tied off, the little end. Yeah,
if you pull that back and you let go of
the balloon, that snaps you in the fingers.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
So this is obviously kind of like that. Yeah, more intense, an.
Speaker 6 (16:39):
Eight pound shock of steel coming back at you. What
happened if he butt stroked himself.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Well, there's some terminology, very scientifical.
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I've never heard of that before.
Speaker 6 (16:57):
Oh yeah, that's a real thing. Oh yeah, Oh lord, Okay,
we're gonna take a break at Jim's gonna go erase
all of.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
That off of pretty much.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Yeah, don't blame you, Jim.
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Speaker 6 (17:50):
Okay, I'm still working on the whole bungee cord sling
thing and they can own no, yes, you are no,
just okay, but yeah, no, a defensive shotgun go back
to where we were. If you have a gun, either
coming out of your holster or you've got a defensive
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gun in your hand, rifle or shotgun, it needs to
be pointed down range towards the threat. Now, it may
not be level, you know, you may have it at
a forty five degree angle the ready position, if you will,
but it's got to be where you could just bring
it up and it's on target. And that's where keeping
that butt of that gun in your shoulder all the
time and you're walking around like that and you got it, lord,
(18:31):
so you can look, you can swivel your head and see.
But then it didn't take any effort at all to
just bring the mosel back up, use the sights, whatever
it is, impress the trigger if you have to.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Right, Basically, you're always on the ready.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
You're always on a ready. If you're not, what are
you doing right?
Speaker 7 (18:46):
Right?
Speaker 2 (18:47):
It's just like you would see any kind of military
force with their two two three's, with.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Their exactly the US and yeah, they've got in their shoulders.
You know, they're not walking around like they're cruising through
a parking lot out there right right.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
But it's I think it's a good point to take
in is you know, it has to be attached and
to you tightly, and I mean not so tightly that
you're not able to maneuver it. But it takes some
time to get used to those SLINKs because they're awkward
at first.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Yeah, yeah they are, but you got to be able
to move it around. That's where again, taking a real
like our caller earlier, he's going to take a shotgun class.
They will teach him at a real shotgun class how
to use a slung shotgun and how you transition from
that to your handgun. And you know, do you just
let go of it or do you actually swing the
muzzle down with one like if your right hand, with
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your left hand it comes down and with your right
hand you're going to the pistol at the same time,
you don't just let go of it and let it
flop around. There really are techniques that guess what people
are figured out, and you know, over the years of
doing all this.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
Stuff, right, show clean two point slinky two point slinky light?
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Don't you exact the idea of.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
A slinky sl the other thing, and I'm sure that.
Speaker 6 (20:03):
Twenty six.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
It was my name too late, I hadn't.
Speaker 6 (20:11):
I got muscled right out of that.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
So the other thing I'm sure that they will cover
is the use of the correct ammunition, whether it's buckshot, slugs,
whatever it might be, because I know a lot of
people are concerned about travel through drywall and you know,
covering the house versus just using shot. But you know,
when you go out there and you use shot in
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some of these guns, you realize the spread isn't what
you think it is in a short distance.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Oh no, it's it's it's the size of your hand.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
But in the movies, right, you know.
Speaker 6 (20:47):
Take you take everybody out with one shot, and there
would be very to your question about the animal. Yeah,
that'd be very few times when bird shot would be recommended. Yeah,
that would be a really sad slice thing. But choosing
between buckshot and slug is really a matter of range
more than anything, because unfortunately the reality is that all
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of them will go through sheet rock. We we set
up a it was a great test. We made three
walls for penetration tests and each wall was on two
by fours with a piece of sheet sheet rock on
either side. So for the three walls, you had six
sheets of sheet rock you have to go through, and
(21:34):
Buckshot went through all six of them every time.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Even shooting through like a gelatin or anything like that.
Speaker 6 (21:42):
No, no, no, no, no no, I'm just talking about
just shooting the walls now, not yeah, not shooting through
a person type deal.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
It takes all the fun out of it.
Speaker 6 (21:52):
We had, you know, we had, We tried for weeks.
We could not get a single volunteer.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
We need some target holders comes to the ring.
Speaker 6 (22:02):
That's probably a YouTube video somewhere, because I have you've
seen the ones that people walk around and shooting next
to each other and moving in.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Yeah, ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (22:13):
Yeah, that's why they avented the butt stroke, just go
right upside his head.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
That again, I'm out of here, okay, yeah.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
But yeah, switching between buckshot and slug. And that's why
on a good defensive gun you have side saddle and
you have extra ammo there and you actually train and
learn how to wreck one round out and feed around
the end from the side saddle, which is an attachment
on the gun where you pull one round out and
you can slide it in and you can like go
(22:43):
immediately to a slug. If you had buckshot in there
and all of a sudden you've got somebody out there
at thirty yards and you need to put a slug
on him, then you could do.
Speaker 8 (22:54):
That pump or something on a semi auto. That'd be
hard to correct. Yeah, it's more involved. It's yeah, pump is.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
The movement because I know we're into red dots a lot, right,
I mean that that is like everything in the handgun world.
I don't know on the technical side with the shotguns.
I know that they can be put on there, but
I don't know it's very much.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Yeah, same thing. We're doing the red dots on shotguns,
and why wouldn't you You're using it like a rifle.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
So the concern because I know in scopes they make
shotguns specific scopes.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Do they do that for the red dots?
Speaker 6 (23:33):
I don't think so, because the thing is, the red
dots are really robust. If they're sitting on a slide
on a pistol and getting getting knocked around like that.
The shotgun recoil is not gonna be an issue. There's
also not enough masks on these little bit red dots
to mount anything.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
My only my only downfall with some of these red dots,
and you really have to do a lot of shopping around.
But the dot is too large, you know, I want
that small red dots size because most of them are
like sixes right trees. So depending on what you're putting
(24:11):
it on is okay, But you know, I don't know.
That's one thing that initially looking into it, it's like, okay,
you really do have to kind of do some research
and have the hand and the scenario potentially of what
you're going to be using them for to know if
it's the right dot.
Speaker 6 (24:30):
That is a great argument to getting it from a
store instead of online where you can actually they'll have
them mounted up, probably on dummy guns, where you can
point them out there and look at them. By the
way it's going to I heard somebody just this week
tell me and just irritates the dell out of me.
I didn't say anything to her about it because it
(24:50):
wasn't time the place, but she says, oh yeah, I
like to go to the local store and shop and
find out what I need and not go buy all
lot online.
Speaker 8 (24:58):
You're thinking you really, right, really the thing they do that,
but to admit it, come on.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Well yeah, no, it's the whole thing to do it.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
I mean exactly, how are.
Speaker 6 (25:08):
You even thinking about the fact that this store owner
spent three million dollars to build the store. They're sitting there,
has all this inventory, have all these employees in there,
and then you say, I'll go take advantage of everything
that you put out here for locals and then make
sure you don't get a dime out of it. I'm
(25:29):
going for an extra twenty bucks. I'm going to go
buy it cheaper online.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Well, because you know, next time you want to go
look at something, guess what's not going to be there?
Speaker 8 (25:38):
Right, I need to get my gun fixed at the
store I didn't buy it.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
Yeah, yeah, that's not there.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yeah, I mean, that's that's the push. It's it is
crazy that we're I get it. I get cutting costs
on some things, but you want and you've got educated
information because a lot of these people put education and
behind their people. You know, so somebody is specifically in
scopes or they're specifically and handguns, et cetera, et cetera.
(26:07):
So they're trained for this and they have all, you know,
hopefully all the answers, and if not, work with you
to figure something out.
Speaker 6 (26:13):
And then you go take advantage of all of that.
Use the services, use the facility, use their inventory that
they paid for there. They've actually got a loan and
they're paying interest on all that stuff sitting there. Yeah,
and you take advantage of all of that and then
essentially robbed them by going and buying your online. That's
just low.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
It is a little aggravating, I understand, and I appreciate, Yeah,
I appreciate you putting the word out there, because it's
definitely a fight for local stores.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
It is, you know. Just well anyway, that was my
peeve of the week or with Wow, not only is
she doing it, but she's just happy telling people she doesn't.
I'm going you don't have any idea what you're saying
or how it makes you look right, you know, and
it doesn't elevate you in my eye. Let me just
tell you that, Yeah, it doesn't make you smart.
Speaker 8 (27:04):
Speaking of elevating, and in your eyes, Tom, you set
me down a rabbit hole.
Speaker 5 (27:08):
Unknowingly.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
I'm looking up optic rails that have you know, adjustable,
not adjustable but set.
Speaker 6 (27:16):
Right with yeah offset.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
Your next rifle comes with a twenty three inch optics
reels set at twenty seven m o A.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
That's the stock that they ship it with. Is that
for his that's for his BMG, Oh.
Speaker 8 (27:32):
Fifty BMG semi auto pistol pistol?
Speaker 4 (27:38):
Sure not for his Idaho Safari gun.
Speaker 8 (27:43):
What is the purpose of a handle on top of
a BMG when you're gonna put a scope up there anyway, but.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
You need to carry it somehow.
Speaker 5 (27:48):
Jim, you take the scullpe on and off every time?
Maybe you do.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
I don't know, no, no, it just you know, it
depends on the model and what you're doing with it.
Speaker 5 (27:56):
Yeah right, it just looks funky.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
Okay, yeah, you know, look funny.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
Ten grand Tom Honey just pulled out his credit card
he once to get.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Yeah, that's right. But you know what it's like in
paying poker. That's the ante to get into the game, right,
just get you started.
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Then you have to build the range in order to
shoot it.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
I got a buddy who's got a fifty BMG. He
loves to shoot in his private range. His range goes
all the way out to one hundred and fifteen yards.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Oh seriously, and how often is he replacing dirt?
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Oh no, he has a gong. Wow. He had to
keep going more and more plates back to back.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:37):
The heaviest chain, I mean it's a tractor pull chain. Wow.
And you hit that thing and it just I mean, yeah,
seven hundred and fifty grand bullet hit this thing basically
off the muzzle. Really.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Oh, I thought that was mom calling for dinner the
other day, exactly.
Speaker 7 (28:52):
Man.
Speaker 6 (28:53):
And if he has a friend shoot it and they
shoot the chain, it's all over baby.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Oh yeah, that's a dimmith my god.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
But yeah, So the lack of long range doesn't mean
you can't have a fifty BMG.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Okay, well there you go, Tommy. You can have one.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Great, great farmant round.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
I shot a paray dog with a fifty BMG.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
It only would have had that when you were like
fourteen years of age free a gun.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:24):
Was there anything left of said animal?
Speaker 6 (29:26):
Tom Yes, And we were not going to how I
was disposed of. There are some things that there's no
statute limitations on.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
Yeah, and we're probably not going to get Peter as
a sponsor.
Speaker 6 (29:38):
I'm assuming, well, yeah, we probably weren't either way, so
we're okay with that. So Harveie Dylan, you know, you know,
she was posting online about she's changing her exercise routine,
she's going to more protein and what she's going to do.
People are recommending this and that, and I said, look,
I got a freezer full of moose because she was
(30:01):
looking for like organic and all of that. This is
organic as it gets. There's not a hormone to be
found in game meat, I said, And I'll supply you,
as will all your hunter buddies, and you could have
all of this natural resource, renewable, great protein anytime you want,
because gay meat is fabulous for that. And no response, right, well,
(30:22):
look it was on an X post, just like it's
not not you know, it's like she has a good
probably a million people following her an X.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
Now there's probably handling account for exactly.
Speaker 6 (30:33):
Yeah. Yeah, I actually know the lady who's doing it
for her. She's the one I worked with to get
her meat on the show. So I guess I should
just say, hey, look I'm sending you something. Don't let
it sit out on the front porch for a.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Real long time. That doesn't sound suspect.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Him. This is the f you like to have a
conversation with you, just in peace.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
For sample purposes, I can give you mine when we're
off the air.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
Sure, okay, sure we did have a Uh was that Saturday? Yeah? Saturday?
We had a musburger gathering over here. I would think, oh, no,
it's Friday. Because we we watched the Artemis landing while
we were doing that.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
That's cool. There's definitely enough to go around.
Speaker 6 (31:19):
Yeah, yes, there is. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (31:21):
Oh oh.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
I was telling Jim before the show, speaking of Artemis,
we were looking up how fast it went twenty four
thousand miles an hour, which is like thirty six thousand
feet per second, So it's like ten times what your
your fast bullet is going two that's a different And
then I said, well, what's what's the fastest. There is
(31:45):
a spaceship out there, robotic spaceship that we sent out
many years ago that's orbiting the Sun. It's called the
Parker Solar Probe four hundred and twenty thousand miles an hour.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
It have to to stay cooled.
Speaker 6 (32:03):
Down well, And the thing is it's going that fast
because it's surfing, it's getting pulled in by the gravity
of the Sun and then spins around and goes back
out for quite a while and then comes back and
gets sucked back in. What I've looked it up, it
was like two hundred times faster than a thirty odd six.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Well, I kind of with the historical part of this,
the aspect of this, because I said, it's pretty amazing
because the generation that saw the landing on the Moon,
the first landing on the Moon, gets to see this
for the most part.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
And how incredible is that.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
You know the difference of being the first person to
be on the Moon and then here we are circling
the moon.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
Right. Of course, you got to be of a certain
age to remember the moon shot and all, but most
of us and our little crowd here were And I
did not know we had this many nerd friends because
they were geeking out. We didn't. We weren't watching like network.
I was using an airplay for my phone. I had
the NASA channel running on the big screen TV, and
we were geeking out on that. It was great.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Well, and I said, to go from being sucked into
the orbit and pulled down with the speeds for the
amount of parachutes in it. It's amazing how they land
and doesn't implode from the change of temperature.
Speaker 4 (33:21):
It's amazing.
Speaker 6 (33:22):
Can you imagine here the job description. Yeah, we're going
to go send you around the moon and then we're
gonna come back and you're gonna be in this little
thing that's going to heat up to five thousand degrees
and you'll be fine. Trust me, it's going to be good.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
We'll get you exactly right here off the coast of California.
Speaker 6 (33:39):
Right, we'll touch down within one second of when we
said we were.
Speaker 4 (33:43):
It's crazy crazy. There's a lot of mathing going on there,
a lot of mathing.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yes, that's kudos to them. Very exciting time. I'm glad
that glad that it's out there and happening again.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Yeah. So each time you think that you've got a
really fast load for your I remember there's something out
there going two hundred times fast Harker.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
So yeah, you should call Samy and see what are
the specs on this is can get at any faster
and still be safe.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
Yeah an hour.
Speaker 6 (34:12):
Convert four hundred and twenty thousand miles an hour to
feet per second. It's like three hundred thousand feet per
second or so. It's just incredible.
Speaker 4 (34:19):
It is rocket science.
Speaker 6 (34:21):
Yeah, yeah it is.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 6 (34:25):
Yeah. Yeah, there there it is. Yeah, there are those
people and they can do that, and we thought, you know,
and back in the back corner, if you look really
to carefully, there was just this glass room. I don't
know if you saw it. And there's a guy in
this He's got a white shirt on and a skinny
black tie and he's got a slide rule and said,
in case of emergency, break glass.
Speaker 5 (34:47):
Oh my gosh, what could go wrong?
Speaker 6 (34:50):
Yeah, exactly, that's great. Well, tell you what, I'm headed
to Houston and we'll do this next week. We'll do
a live show so people can all in and then
I can say, hey, can you flag down? I don't
know Ted NuGen, so cheer trust me. If Nugen's around, he'll.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Be yeah yeah. So are you going to take part
in fleet week?
Speaker 6 (35:12):
I probably am not. It's a as you said, fifty
miles down to Galveston from Houston. OK, So it's a
it's a stretch to run down there, and I'm not
going to have like a half a day to do that.
We're actually doing workish kind of things.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
I know, God, get your priority straight man.
Speaker 6 (35:30):
It's just this thing at work. We have to look
at guns and talk to people about guns and guns
and ikey, ikey. I might even find something I can't
live without.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Get Well, that's a first.
Speaker 6 (35:46):
Well it's been a week.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
I mean, come on, you never know. Could be the
next Wilson project.
Speaker 6 (35:54):
It's true.
Speaker 5 (35:55):
Yeah, fourteen play.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
I was pretty happy having Bill Wilson on, By the way, that.
Speaker 5 (35:59):
Was that was awesome.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Yeah, you had some great interviews today. Great interviews, really
did Yeah what happened?
Speaker 5 (36:05):
They were great?
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Well, no exciting and new stuff and yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
It's just what she went to say for you, Tom,
this was actually a good show. Its really you.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
Goodbye.
Speaker 6 (36:21):
With that, she was out the door.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
We'll catch you next time for the gun talk after show.
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