April 30, 2026 • 25 mins
At the 2026 NRA Annual Meeting, Ryan Gresham sits down with Brandon Maddox of Silencer Central to talk about what’s really happening in the suppressor world right now.
Big takeaway? Things have changed—a lot.
Wait times that used to stretch close to a year are now down to days or weeks, the $200 tax is gone, and the process is getting more streamlined by the minute. Maddox also shares what he’s seeing from inside the industry, including potential regulatory changes, easier purchasing options, and how companies are working directly with agencies to simplify the process.
They also break down:
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Big takeaway? Things have changed—a lot.
Wait times that used to stretch close to a year are now down to days or weeks, the $200 tax is gone, and the process is getting more streamlined by the minute. Maddox also shares what he’s seeing from inside the industry, including potential regulatory changes, easier purchasing options, and how companies are working directly with agencies to simplify the process.
They also break down:
- What silencers people are actually buying right now
- Why rimfire suppressors are exploding in popularity
- Direct thread vs. QD setups
- Simple cleaning tips most people overlook
This Gun Talk Nation is brought to you by Silencer Central, Vortex Optics, Archon Firearms, and Range Ready Studios.
About Gun Talk Nation
Gun Talk Media's Gun Talk Nation with Ryan Gresham is a weekly multi-platform podcast that offers a fresh look at all things firearms-related. Featuring notable guests and a lot of laughs. Gun Talk Nation is available as an audio podcast or in video format.
For more content from Gun Talk Media, visit guntalk.com or subscribe on YouTube, Rumble, Facebook, Instagram, and X. Catch First Person Defender on the new Official FPD YouTube channel. Watch Gun Talk Nation on its new YouTube channel. Catch Gun Talk Hunt on the new dedicated YouTube Channel. Listen to all Gun Talk Podcasts with Spreaker, iHeart, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you find podcasts.
Copyright ©2026 Freefire Media, LLC
Gun Talk Nation 04.30.26
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know, it's interesting because we were talking about yesterday,
I me meeting with Deputy assisted Director of the ATF
and the head of the NFA branch.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Their goal, you know now, when you log in and
you have your own.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
User ID, they call it, you know, user ID with
ATF and your own pen. They're using that as your
digital signature. So their goal in phase two is that
they would store your fingerprints there and so every time
you buy something, it would be there and you would
have to resumment them.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is Guntognation. Guntognation is
brought to you by Silence Are Central, Vortex, arc On
(00:46):
Firearms and Range Ready. Hey, welcome into Guntognation. We are
on location in Houston at the NRA Show. But it's
pretty cool because it's a big room packed with a
lot of great company and great people, and so we
thought we ought to grab some of these people and
have some conversations and do some podcast stuff. So we've
(01:07):
got Brandon Maddox from Silencers Central here. Welcome in man,
Thanks sir, appreciate it thinking of us, Brandon. We've we've
talked to you over the years. Silencer Central people most
people know it probably, but I mean, you guys are
one of the big sellers of silencers, but you're also
a guy who's kind of on the front lines as
far as gun rights and specific to silencers and the
(01:29):
ATF and NFA and probably some other three letter acronym.
So I mean, I guess I'll start off with this.
You just were in DC, Is that correct? Yes, sir,
Tell me what you were doing there. Tell me what
we can tell the audience. Yeah, good question. So we
fled a little early.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We're fortunate that US Center Thoon is the majority leader,
so we went and met with his office on the
first day, good to kind of you know, we're tracking
the ATF director nomination. We like, there's gonna be a
lot of good benefits to have an actual director nominated,
so we've been sort of following that, and of course,
you know, the Senate gets to determine when those go through,
(02:08):
so meeting there for that. Also, it's just going to
have a good relationship with the Senate majority leader. Yeah,
my daughter is going to work there the summer as
an intern, and so I had to get some you know,
it's good to sort of touch base with them. Then
the next day, we did visits on the hill. So
in SSF National Shooting Sports Foundation, guys that do shots
show them on their board, and even before I was
(02:29):
on the board always fly in and do their CEO
fly in where we go and meet with legislators in Steuch.
So it's good to kind of know the staff is
very in tune as to what the constituents are saying.
So it's good for them to bounce it off us
and give them feedback.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Well, and it's and it's not good too when you
need something to happen to be the first time you're
meeting someone percent, you don't want to be like, Hi,
my name is Brandon and Harriet's company. You always want
to you want to be like, hey, Chuck, how are
you doing to percent. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
So we did that all day and then the next
day we went to ATF headquarters up in West Virginia,
the NFA branch to sit down with the head of
the NFA branch also the deputy sistant director of ATF.
Good to sit down with them and talk to them
about what's coming with some administrative changes the White House,
you know. Then after that we drove back to DC.
We met with a White House. Uh, there's one guy
(03:22):
who's kind of the policy guy for the White House
implementing what Trump wants, and they've been very you know,
I would say that a lot of stuff's been kind
of behind the scenes, but there's gonna be some stuff
rolling out here really soon once the director gets in place, okay,
And a lot of those are obviously they can't change
things that are statutes, but there's statutes out there that
(03:42):
in the past, let's just say, Democrat presidents administrations have
interpreted different ways, and those things can be changed the
administrative process. So once you see the director approved here
in the next couple of weeks, the ATF director, they'll
probably start rolling some of those out and you'll see
a lot of proposed administrative changes that will Boy, you know,
(04:03):
they've been keeping them hush hush, I know a couple
of them. They're kind of revolutionary. I mean, it's going
to change the industry.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
A lot before people listening to this, watching this, it
will change some of it'll affect down.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean it's gonna change I think
the marketplace and how you buy firearms. They're going to
make some things easier to do, like our process where
you ship it to your front door. Yeah, you know,
we do that with silencers, but they're going to make
it easier for other farms as well.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Wow. You know, so there's a lot of changes. I mean,
it's just so.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
My thing is, I'm very big into the compliance side
because when I first started doing signuncers in two thousand
and five, I used to say that everything online was wrong.
I mean, things have changed, but back then, honestly, everything
on there was faults. It was mostly machine gun guys,
not too much silencers guns, but you know, they just
they didn't always have the process right, the policies and
the statutes and anyway. So I I, personally and as
a company, I have really focused on understanding the statutes
(04:56):
and all the compliance side. You've you're a guy, and
I've told you this where you almost it's you strike
me as a guy who's like you don't mind dealing
with that, or maybe it's you're just good at it
or something. I'm the guy who, like, you give me
a sixty five page document from the ATF of Statutes
and my brain shuts down and you're like, okay, fine,
(05:19):
this is how we're going to lay it out.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Let me see how I can work within this structure.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
You know what, I think what happened was I more
got sat down with and said, hey, the people that
are regulating you don't know anything about silencers because back
then nobody was doing any transfers. So the feedback to
me was, hey, you got to know your industry compliance
and laws and statutes better than the people regulating you
because they don't know them because it's not something they
see every day.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And I think also for me to continue to like
sort of grow the business, you know, you don't want
to be in forty two states if you're gonna have
issues all over the place and spend all this time,
you know, putting together a model and then it blows
up and messes up employees and customers and everything. So
it's been very methodical over the last you know, twenty
two years, make sure I understand everything and then sort
(06:01):
of build it properly. And you know, I would say
we're probably unique to and consulting with the ATF more
than probably other people would because the end of the day,
I mean, these laws are written in the thirties and
the sixties, so whether we like it or not, they
kind of have a monopoly on interpreting the rules.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
So well, it's it's tricky because I know people listening
to this might go abolish the NFA. Oh yeah, right,
we hear that, abolish the ahtfol the NFA. Yeah, And
and you probably have thoughts, and I don't know if
you want to share them. I'd love to hear what
your thoughts are when you hear that type of thing.
But there are like, well, these are the rules of
the game. Now. I mean you can say, well, that's
(06:35):
a stupid rule maybe, so yeah, but these are the
rules that we're playing within, right, Yeah, yeah, no, totally.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I mean I'm a libertarian from like a political standpoint,
so I'd love the government to be out of everything.
But the unfortunate part is a lot of statutes are
based on the ATF approving stuff through FBI. So if
ATF went away, we'd have to change a lot of
laws to you know, be great, love for it to happen.
But yeah, like you said, right now, the deck is
that up a certain way. So I've tried to really
(07:01):
understand the deck and then you know, work with legislators
to make changes that would benefit consumers and customers in
the market.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Sometimes it you're not as.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Well respected with legislators if you sit down with them
and you start, if you lead with abolish the ATF.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
You know so, I mean that's the hearts and minds
on your office.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, I'd try to be practical and say, hey, how
can we get you know, how can.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
We look at doing this to deregulate this, and yeah,
so it's let's let's let's process explore this. It's never
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(07:47):
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I mean, that's your world that you're an expert in it.
(09:13):
There are people still that have never bought a silencer,
a lot of them. Yeah, you probably know the number.
And then there's people who are like, yeah, I heard
that it's this, I heard that it's that, like, what's
the fact, what's the skinny right now? So you know, the.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Federal process has stayed the same. The biggest change was
January one, the tax went.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Away, so bill more two hundred dollars.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, so think of it as a syntax created in
thirty four equivalent to one hundred percent tax on a
machine gun because that was the first sort of nfaiut
in the machine gun.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
But yeah, the tax went away. So I have a
dumb question. Yeah, is there still a stamp? Yeah, it's zero,
just puts it on. They still give you a stamp, Yeah,
because I think stat Troy have to give you something.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Has to be some value, the value of zero. Yeah,
so it's it had to be approved, it has to
be fixed the stamp on. There everyone getting them digital now.
But yeah, so but I mean the other big thing
is I came from a world where I'd seen the
process take eighteen months during the Obama administration. I would
say the average over my last twenty one twenty two
years has probably been nine to ten months. Wait, right now,
(10:16):
we're getting individual approvals less than a week, like six
seven days, and for trust we're seeing you know, maybe
three weeks twenty one days. So that's that is amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
It is amazing. Well, it just changes the way you
think about it because it used to be actually, and
it's great to not have to pay the two hundred dollars.
But I know for a lot of years we were
saying the two hundred dollars is not it's not what
is making people not buy them. It's the weight time
where you're like, it's this unknown I don't know, somewhere
(10:47):
in the next year, I'll be able to get this thing,
but I already had to pay for it. And now
you have very very little weight time. I mean when
you're talking about twenty one days or seven days or
a lot of times, I know it's even faster. Yeah, totally,
that's not much of a wait time. No, no, not
at all. And you guys, obviously we've talked about this before.
You you help with the process. Yeah, you ship the
(11:09):
silencer to their doorstep, Yeah, front door.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, you could sit on your couch and never leave
your couch by silence from us and it'll show right
on your front door.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
You ps signature adult required. Do you still have people
that say that can't be legal? You know, less so
less less than you would think. I mean, there's probably
people listen to this going how is that possible? I
mean as a federal statute that allows you to do that.
So we just sort of pioneered that and have you know,
grown that out because you have dealers in every state,
you know, how it's accomplished. Yeah, good question.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
So we actually have a physical FFL location in all
forty two states, so it's underneath our tax id our
e I N.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's my employees. They work there for us. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
So basically we're shepherding the customer through the process and
then we're shipping it from that location and the state
where they're a legal resident to their front door.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And that's an okay thing to do. Oh yeah, absolutely, okay. Yeah.
So what are the things that that people are buying
these days? What's the hot items? Yeah? Good question.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
So, you know a lot of us in the industry
ran sort of sales last year because we had like
a seven month window when the big beautiful bills passed.
Everyone knew that come January first, twenty twenty six, silencers
are gonna two hundred dollars cheaper, so there was an
incentive for the consumer to sit on the sidelines. Yeah,
so most people gave discounts to try to encourage some
revenue so we keep the lights on. And that was
(12:30):
typically the more expensive silencers, so then you didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Lose as much.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
So I've seen the lower end silencers come out, and
so I think it's two things. I think one is
that maybe people who thought they couldn't afford a silencer
now are getting into it.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Because it's cheaper cool.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And I think people who maybe bought an expensive one
last year and now are buying the cheaper ones because
they weren't on sale last year, but now they are
on sale this year because there are no two dollars tacks.
You know, what we've seen grow the most is probably
twenty two mPire I mean really and most cheaper. Yeah,
it's inexpensive silencer. You know, obviously signwunchs are central. We
sell everything, so you know, you could buy anything on
our website. But what we've seen the biggest uptake in
(13:03):
is the lower end, especially the run far twenty two.
But then also say underneath that six hundred's, you know,
seven hundred dollars range, you see a lot more sales
there than at the higher range. I think before people
felt like a silence. There's a lifetime purchase. Once you
get it, gonna have forever. Then you're gonna give it
to your kids through a trust. But you know, I
think now people are like, Wow, process is easier, timelines
(13:25):
are quicker.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Maybe I'll buy one if I don't like it. I
was buy another one. Yeah, well and just put it
on a gun and leave it there too, right it
was Yeah when it was more expensive and it took
so much more time. Yeah, it was like my precious.
Now I have this one thirty cal can I got
to move it around and all. And I think I
think also, people have bought a lot of guns in
(13:47):
the last ten years, and if you're a gun enthusiast,
you've probably bought a lot a lot of guns. Yes,
And I think they're kind of moving on to like
do I need another ar or like I shouldn't say
the word need because it's silly, But do I want
to another er? Do I want another pistol? To? Maybe
I do want to keep buying gunny things, but maybe
(14:07):
the thing I want is a silencer on like most
of my guns. Yeah, totally, you know, Yeah, I know
That's where I've been thinking. It's like, look, don't tell Hey, listen,
if you have a significant other in your life that's
not a gun person, don't tell them that your thirty
out six will kill everything in North America. That doesn't matter.
That's not for that person to worry about. But we
(14:31):
like to buy things totally, let to customize to What
about like muzzle devices? I mean, is it are we
just in the direct thread world from now on? Are
we still doing the QT thing? Like? What's your take, Brandon? Yeah, no,
I mean that's a good question.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I mean, obviously, you know, manufacturers probably like quick attached
because then you're buying a you know, an adapter for
every firearm so that you can then put the silencer
on there.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
You know, I still still typically.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Think I'm probably by because I'm a big hunter, but
I'd say hunting, I like direct thread and then maybe
more tactical stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
You know, you can have quick detach. Yeah, it seems
like that's the feels like quick detach is like less
of a thing if you're just gonna leave it on
the gun though, right, Yeah, good point, just bean flashlight
around there and you're screwing the sign's run of that. Yeah,
you know, I mean I will say you know that
whole it was like this whole proprietary world where we
were in. Yeah, totally, And it's like can we I mean, look,
(15:27):
I'm sure I'm not the only one. Do you ever
like have the QD And then I just don't put
any lock tight on it, on the muzzle device and
I unscrew that and I screw that onto other things
because I've got some old AAC you know, fifty one
t Yeah, totally. You know, like, dude, I they don't
even like the muzzle devices are like unobtainium. You got
(15:49):
to go on gun broker and find you know, old
Bob's gun shop. Yeah. So like I'll just unscrew the
muzzle device and that's my that's my direct thread. Yeah yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, No,
good point.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
And it's hard, like you said, if you don't lock
tight on there, if you get some carbon built up,
it'll just come off with a silence or you go
unscrew it.
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Any pro tips for people as they're getting into silencers
(17:12):
and what are the what are they like those FAQs?
I mean cleaning it, maintenance, you know, anything that they
need to do or don't do. Maybe there's stuff that
they people worry about with that they don't need to
worry about. Yeah, good question. You know.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
So I think the normal thought used to be always
get a multi caliber. I'm not against that, but I
would say that typically I would encourage someone whatever you
shoot the most, get a suppressor for that, because what
you're gonna find is gonna work really, really well, and
then it's gonna encourage you to get more because sometimes
you don't hear people get disappointed when they buy a silencer,
but you just hate to see someone buy something that's
you know, kind of a universal for everything because they're
trying to save money or bee all. Yeah, it's totally
(17:46):
and then it's too heavy for some applications, it's too big.
It's just you know, it's it's not perfect. So I
think that my advice would be, hey, what do you
shoot the most? What do you like to really really shoot?
I mean we're talking earlier. I like to shoot my
twifty seven weather be you. Unfortunately I shoot well. Sometimes
silencers are illegal, but you know, it's almost like picking
something specifically for that, leaving it on there and then
not worry about getting something that goes on everything else.
(18:07):
But that's I mean, that's one advice. You know, people
there are I don't know, I think it's like maybe
thirty to forty percent of people who like to clean
their silencers. Some people it's like the last thing in
their mind, but it is beneficial to be able to
do that.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I know that more and more people are coming out
with renses.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
I mean what I've seen effective is almost like tape
one end the exit in with say ductae, pour some
half and half clur, calcium lime, rust remove. It's basically
acidic acid with water half and half. Put it in there,
let it sit overnight and leave the carbon out, and
he just wash it out.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
So that's it. Yeah, with water, Yeah, totally. Wow. I
do like water.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Based stuff like that because you don't have to worry
about it getting trapped in there and blowing up if
you shoot or so you can blow it out.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
With not a rust issue doing it that way.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
No, most all silencers are you know, gonna it's gonna
blow it out anyway next time you shoot it.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, maybe it's kind of one of those. Do it
and then make sure you shoot it a little bit. Yeah,
it's like a cast iron pot. Hit it up, get
all the moisture out of there. I like it. You know, Well,
that's good. That's good. Well good man? And uh any
stories from this hind season anything fun that you've been doing. Oh?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I mean I went on a what'funt up in Alberto
and one thing I saw was you know, kyotees.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
So you shooting me? Yea, I did. Yeah, I told
the guy it's the last day. I know it's co
but I shot anyway. Yeah, I'm gonna get something, Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I just hate having a gun in my hand all
day for you know, ten hours a day in March
for I think I was there six day hunt.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
But that's a grind. Yeah, Oh it's tough. It's tough.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, I did want in Ontario, where I had better luck.
I think I was three days in, so that was good.
They're just a little smaller there, but really I think
since the very illegal to shoot Minnesota, they all float
up there right in there Ontario area where I go
link in the woods.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
So that's good. What's the biggest wolf that you've shot?
You know, not as big as i'd like. That's why
I keep going, Oh for sure, but i'd probably say.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Like, you know, eighty five ninety pounds. I mean, I've
had guys i've hunted with who've shot on ten hundred
and fifteen. Really yeah, some bigger ones, but yeah, very cool. Yeah,
I'm so bad about you here. People going to hunt
to get skunked. So any time I see one, I'm like,
it's a female.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
It's small. It's too bad, it's getting shot burden in
the hand. I know. Well, they say, if you want
to shoot the big ones, you got to pass up
the little ones, whether it's deer, wolves or whatever. Right, Oh,
that's you know, you don't go empty handed in that way.
If you just go you know what this is, this
is going to happen. True.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Okay, So one thing you asked me. Other things that
maybe I should mentioned. So you know, our process at
Silences are central to get a silencer. We've got a
lot of feedback from consumers over the years to fix things.
So I thought i'd mentioned a couple of things we fixed.
So used to once you're approved, we had to send
notification to your sheriff certified male, and we had to
wait seven days to ship it. So now we have
(20:43):
a way to do that digitally, and we also have
a way to do it as soon as you buy
the silencer, so there's no more waiting.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
So that's a that's a huge bit. So it saves
you a little more at a time.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah, because people get frustrated, like I'm certified, I'm approved,
you know, why can't I get it, and we had
this sort of federal statute we had to satisfy weight.
We found another way to satisfy that, so there's no
weight at the end anymore. And it's also all digital,
so it's instant. The other thing is that when you
buy a silencer, typically the dealer fills out all the
paperwork for you, and then you have to go back
and look at the paperwork and the sort of verify
(21:13):
they filled it out correctly for you. Typically that would
mean like a drive back to the store. There's a
lot of different ways you'd have to do it. You know,
we used to do it via video and you'd have
to set up a time and call in, and you know,
we've mitigated that too. Now we've created a process that's
one hundred percent self directed. So, yeah, we enter in
all your data for you, and then we send you
a link says, hey, check it out. Make sure we
(21:33):
entered it properly on your behalf. Then you interned your
username and pen that the ATF gives you, and then
it submits it directly to the ATF.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
So you could do it with the middle of nite
or any time you want. Yeah, so it's it's it's
kind of like like look this over, make sure it's correct,
and hit approve or something like that. Yeah, because the
ATF just wants to make sure since the SOT dealers
doing the paywork on your behalf, that they filled out correctly,
you know, spelled your name right, put your trust name
in right, correct address, all that information is correct. I mean,
we obviously take it directly of the consumer.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
So it's rarely in errors, but there could be could
be a typos or sometimes people will send it, they'll
type in one thing and then their fingerprints might not
match that or you know, so there's there's then also
a recent future readded is you can upload your EFT file,
which is the file format for your fingerprints. It's gotten
more popular where people might go locally get their fingerprints done,
or maybe they did a form one or for whatever reason,
(22:18):
they're able to get their fingerprints digitally. So we have
a process now we can just upload it up there.
You don't have to, but it's a new option, and
then it just speeds up the process even quicker.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
So once somebody gets into working with you guys, they
sign it up, they fill out their their paperwork, they
get the fingerprints and the photo and stuff, and I
know that there's a few steps there, but you guys
do make it pretty darn easy. We manage everything once
that's all set up and they're going, oh, man, I
kind of want to get a silencer for this gun. Yeah,
(22:48):
what's involved at that point when they are kind of
already in the system. Yeah, it's a good question.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
We probably don't do a good enough job explaining this,
but we keep everything on file so that your.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Photo you don't have to start all over.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
We could basically populate everything almost instantly, so people that
buy here at the show.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Typically you see people at.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
The NRA show who bought from you before, they'll come
up and basically we'll just pull all their information in
because we already have it on file, and then pick
out what they want and then we submit it to
the ATF.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
So it's quick because we keep.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Your fingerprints on fall, we keep your photo on file,
and if you're photo.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
To the updated we can upload or you can upload.
Anyone does. But yeah, no, it's quick. You know.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
It's interesting because we were talking about yesterday a me
meeting with Deputy Assistant Director of the ATF and.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
The head of the NFA branch. Their goal.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
You know, now when you log in and you have
your own user ID, they call it, you know user
ID with the ATF and your own pen. They're using
that as your digital signature. So their goal in phase
two is that they would store your fingerprints there and
so every time you buy something, it would be there
and you would have to resumment them. So it more
helps the consumer. So it also help if hey, maybe
I bought it, you know, Bob's at one point, Now
(23:48):
I want to shop at Franks or whatever. You know,
you can sort of change it up. So the other
thing I didn't mention is we started working with dealers
all across the country to sell Banished. So years ago
Banished you could only really get through someoness cir Central
Enough productions.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
And that's your that's your in house brand totally of silencers.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, yeah, because when I first start selling silencers, I
found that really no one A was able to meet
our volume and b was able to sort of identify
with a hunting market.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
And so we came up with a banished brand.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
You know, lightweight titanium comes apart to clean a lot
of benefits to hunters. But now we're selling it to
dealers across country. So a lot of wholesalers carrying out
a lot of dealers have it. We got several hundred
dealers now, so yeah, you don't have to necessarily just
come through Silence or two again.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Okay, So they can go to to their dealers there
even ask them. They can order any wholesaler has it. Awesome?
All right, Brandon, thanks for the skinny, Thanks for the episode.
Sure you having us, Yeah, you guys. I mean, look, silencers,
you guys have already made it easy. But the fact
that it's so quick, now, oh that's great. And just
I'll throw it out there to you. It's not just
(24:46):
the silencers. When you talk about the two hundred dollars
being gone and the way time's being short, that goes
for all of those other NFA thingies. So, yes, machine
guns are legal, people buy them, right, It's like heck yeah,
so with you know, machine guns, short barrow rifles, all
that stuff is also a little bit cheaper, two hundred
(25:07):
dollars cheaper and a whole lot faster to get them.
So go do it, guys, go do it. That's it
for us. We will see you next time on Gun
Talk Nation.
You know, it's interesting because we were talking about yesterday,
I me meeting with Deputy assisted Director of the ATF
and the head of the NFA branch.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Their goal, you know now, when you log in and
you have your own.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
User ID, they call it, you know, user ID with
ATF and your own pen. They're using that as your
digital signature. So their goal in phase two is that
they would store your fingerprints there and so every time
you buy something, it would be there and you would
have to resumment them.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is Guntognation. Guntognation is
brought to you by Silence Are Central, Vortex, arc On
(00:46):
Firearms and Range Ready. Hey, welcome into Guntognation. We are
on location in Houston at the NRA Show. But it's
pretty cool because it's a big room packed with a
lot of great company and great people, and so we
thought we ought to grab some of these people and
have some conversations and do some podcast stuff. So we've
(01:07):
got Brandon Maddox from Silencers Central here. Welcome in man,
Thanks sir, appreciate it thinking of us, Brandon. We've we've
talked to you over the years. Silencer Central people most
people know it probably, but I mean, you guys are
one of the big sellers of silencers, but you're also
a guy who's kind of on the front lines as
far as gun rights and specific to silencers and the
(01:29):
ATF and NFA and probably some other three letter acronym.
So I mean, I guess I'll start off with this.
You just were in DC, Is that correct? Yes, sir,
Tell me what you were doing there. Tell me what
we can tell the audience. Yeah, good question. So we
fled a little early.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
We're fortunate that US Center Thoon is the majority leader,
so we went and met with his office on the
first day, good to kind of you know, we're tracking
the ATF director nomination. We like, there's gonna be a
lot of good benefits to have an actual director nominated,
so we've been sort of following that, and of course,
you know, the Senate gets to determine when those go through,
(02:08):
so meeting there for that. Also, it's just going to
have a good relationship with the Senate majority leader. Yeah,
my daughter is going to work there the summer as
an intern, and so I had to get some you know,
it's good to sort of touch base with them. Then
the next day, we did visits on the hill. So
in SSF National Shooting Sports Foundation, guys that do shots
show them on their board, and even before I was
(02:29):
on the board always fly in and do their CEO
fly in where we go and meet with legislators in Steuch.
So it's good to kind of know the staff is
very in tune as to what the constituents are saying.
So it's good for them to bounce it off us
and give them feedback.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Well, and it's and it's not good too when you
need something to happen to be the first time you're
meeting someone percent, you don't want to be like, Hi,
my name is Brandon and Harriet's company. You always want
to you want to be like, hey, Chuck, how are
you doing to percent. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
So we did that all day and then the next
day we went to ATF headquarters up in West Virginia,
the NFA branch to sit down with the head of
the NFA branch also the deputy sistant director of ATF.
Good to sit down with them and talk to them
about what's coming with some administrative changes the White House,
you know. Then after that we drove back to DC.
We met with a White House. Uh, there's one guy
(03:22):
who's kind of the policy guy for the White House
implementing what Trump wants, and they've been very you know,
I would say that a lot of stuff's been kind
of behind the scenes, but there's gonna be some stuff
rolling out here really soon once the director gets in place, okay,
And a lot of those are obviously they can't change
things that are statutes, but there's statutes out there that
(03:42):
in the past, let's just say, Democrat presidents administrations have
interpreted different ways, and those things can be changed the
administrative process. So once you see the director approved here
in the next couple of weeks, the ATF director, they'll
probably start rolling some of those out and you'll see
a lot of proposed administrative changes that will Boy, you know,
(04:03):
they've been keeping them hush hush, I know a couple
of them. They're kind of revolutionary. I mean, it's going
to change the industry.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
A lot before people listening to this, watching this, it
will change some of it'll affect down.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I mean it's gonna change I think
the marketplace and how you buy firearms. They're going to
make some things easier to do, like our process where
you ship it to your front door. Yeah, you know,
we do that with silencers, but they're going to make
it easier for other farms as well.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Wow. You know, so there's a lot of changes. I mean,
it's just so.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
My thing is, I'm very big into the compliance side
because when I first started doing signuncers in two thousand
and five, I used to say that everything online was wrong.
I mean, things have changed, but back then, honestly, everything
on there was faults. It was mostly machine gun guys,
not too much silencers guns, but you know, they just
they didn't always have the process right, the policies and
the statutes and anyway. So I I, personally and as
a company, I have really focused on understanding the statutes
(04:56):
and all the compliance side. You've you're a guy, and
I've told you this where you almost it's you strike
me as a guy who's like you don't mind dealing
with that, or maybe it's you're just good at it
or something. I'm the guy who, like, you give me
a sixty five page document from the ATF of Statutes
and my brain shuts down and you're like, okay, fine,
(05:19):
this is how we're going to lay it out.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Let me see how I can work within this structure.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
You know what, I think what happened was I more
got sat down with and said, hey, the people that
are regulating you don't know anything about silencers because back
then nobody was doing any transfers. So the feedback to
me was, hey, you got to know your industry compliance
and laws and statutes better than the people regulating you
because they don't know them because it's not something they
see every day.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
And I think also for me to continue to like
sort of grow the business, you know, you don't want
to be in forty two states if you're gonna have
issues all over the place and spend all this time,
you know, putting together a model and then it blows
up and messes up employees and customers and everything. So
it's been very methodical over the last you know, twenty
two years, make sure I understand everything and then sort
(06:01):
of build it properly. And you know, I would say
we're probably unique to and consulting with the ATF more
than probably other people would because the end of the day,
I mean, these laws are written in the thirties and
the sixties, so whether we like it or not, they
kind of have a monopoly on interpreting the rules.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
So well, it's it's tricky because I know people listening
to this might go abolish the NFA. Oh yeah, right,
we hear that, abolish the ahtfol the NFA. Yeah, And
and you probably have thoughts, and I don't know if
you want to share them. I'd love to hear what
your thoughts are when you hear that type of thing.
But there are like, well, these are the rules of
the game. Now. I mean you can say, well, that's
(06:35):
a stupid rule maybe, so yeah, but these are the
rules that we're playing within, right, Yeah, yeah, no, totally.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I mean I'm a libertarian from like a political standpoint,
so I'd love the government to be out of everything.
But the unfortunate part is a lot of statutes are
based on the ATF approving stuff through FBI. So if
ATF went away, we'd have to change a lot of
laws to you know, be great, love for it to happen.
But yeah, like you said, right now, the deck is
that up a certain way. So I've tried to really
(07:01):
understand the deck and then you know, work with legislators
to make changes that would benefit consumers and customers in
the market.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Sometimes it you're not as.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Well respected with legislators if you sit down with them
and you start, if you lead with abolish the ATF.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
You know so, I mean that's the hearts and minds
on your office.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Yeah, I'd try to be practical and say, hey, how
can we get you know, how can.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
We look at doing this to deregulate this, and yeah,
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(09:13):
There are people still that have never bought a silencer,
a lot of them. Yeah, you probably know the number.
And then there's people who are like, yeah, I heard
that it's this, I heard that it's that, like, what's
the fact, what's the skinny right now? So you know, the.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Federal process has stayed the same. The biggest change was
January one, the tax went.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Away, so bill more two hundred dollars.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, so think of it as a syntax created in
thirty four equivalent to one hundred percent tax on a
machine gun because that was the first sort of nfaiut
in the machine gun.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
But yeah, the tax went away. So I have a
dumb question. Yeah, is there still a stamp? Yeah, it's zero,
just puts it on. They still give you a stamp, Yeah,
because I think stat Troy have to give you something.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Has to be some value, the value of zero. Yeah,
so it's it had to be approved, it has to
be fixed the stamp on. There everyone getting them digital now.
But yeah, so but I mean the other big thing
is I came from a world where I'd seen the
process take eighteen months during the Obama administration. I would
say the average over my last twenty one twenty two
years has probably been nine to ten months. Wait, right now,
(10:16):
we're getting individual approvals less than a week, like six
seven days, and for trust we're seeing you know, maybe
three weeks twenty one days. So that's that is amazing.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
It is amazing. Well, it just changes the way you
think about it because it used to be actually, and
it's great to not have to pay the two hundred dollars.
But I know for a lot of years we were
saying the two hundred dollars is not it's not what
is making people not buy them. It's the weight time
where you're like, it's this unknown I don't know, somewhere
(10:47):
in the next year, I'll be able to get this thing,
but I already had to pay for it. And now
you have very very little weight time. I mean when
you're talking about twenty one days or seven days or
a lot of times, I know it's even faster. Yeah, totally,
that's not much of a wait time. No, no, not
at all. And you guys, obviously we've talked about this before.
You you help with the process. Yeah, you ship the
(11:09):
silencer to their doorstep, Yeah, front door.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, you could sit on your couch and never leave
your couch by silence from us and it'll show right
on your front door.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
You ps signature adult required. Do you still have people
that say that can't be legal? You know, less so
less less than you would think. I mean, there's probably
people listen to this going how is that possible? I
mean as a federal statute that allows you to do that.
So we just sort of pioneered that and have you know,
grown that out because you have dealers in every state,
you know, how it's accomplished. Yeah, good question.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
So we actually have a physical FFL location in all
forty two states, so it's underneath our tax id our
e I N.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
It's my employees. They work there for us. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
So basically we're shepherding the customer through the process and
then we're shipping it from that location and the state
where they're a legal resident to their front door.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And that's an okay thing to do. Oh yeah, absolutely, okay. Yeah.
So what are the things that that people are buying
these days? What's the hot items? Yeah? Good question.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
So, you know a lot of us in the industry
ran sort of sales last year because we had like
a seven month window when the big beautiful bills passed.
Everyone knew that come January first, twenty twenty six, silencers
are gonna two hundred dollars cheaper, so there was an
incentive for the consumer to sit on the sidelines. Yeah,
so most people gave discounts to try to encourage some
revenue so we keep the lights on. And that was
(12:30):
typically the more expensive silencers, so then you didn't.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Lose as much.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
So I've seen the lower end silencers come out, and
so I think it's two things. I think one is
that maybe people who thought they couldn't afford a silencer
now are getting into it.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Because it's cheaper cool.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
And I think people who maybe bought an expensive one
last year and now are buying the cheaper ones because
they weren't on sale last year, but now they are
on sale this year because there are no two dollars tacks.
You know, what we've seen grow the most is probably
twenty two mPire I mean really and most cheaper. Yeah,
it's inexpensive silencer. You know, obviously signwunchs are central. We
sell everything, so you know, you could buy anything on
our website. But what we've seen the biggest uptake in
(13:03):
is the lower end, especially the run far twenty two.
But then also say underneath that six hundred's, you know,
seven hundred dollars range, you see a lot more sales
there than at the higher range. I think before people
felt like a silence. There's a lifetime purchase. Once you
get it, gonna have forever. Then you're gonna give it
to your kids through a trust. But you know, I
think now people are like, Wow, process is easier, timelines
(13:25):
are quicker.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Maybe I'll buy one if I don't like it. I
was buy another one. Yeah, well and just put it
on a gun and leave it there too, right it
was Yeah when it was more expensive and it took
so much more time. Yeah, it was like my precious.
Now I have this one thirty cal can I got
to move it around and all. And I think I
think also, people have bought a lot of guns in
(13:47):
the last ten years, and if you're a gun enthusiast,
you've probably bought a lot a lot of guns. Yes,
And I think they're kind of moving on to like
do I need another ar or like I shouldn't say
the word need because it's silly, But do I want
to another er? Do I want another pistol? To? Maybe
I do want to keep buying gunny things, but maybe
(14:07):
the thing I want is a silencer on like most
of my guns. Yeah, totally, you know, Yeah, I know
That's where I've been thinking. It's like, look, don't tell Hey, listen,
if you have a significant other in your life that's
not a gun person, don't tell them that your thirty
out six will kill everything in North America. That doesn't matter.
That's not for that person to worry about. But we
(14:31):
like to buy things totally, let to customize to What
about like muzzle devices? I mean, is it are we
just in the direct thread world from now on? Are
we still doing the QT thing? Like? What's your take, Brandon? Yeah, no,
I mean that's a good question.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
I mean, obviously, you know, manufacturers probably like quick attached
because then you're buying a you know, an adapter for
every firearm so that you can then put the silencer
on there.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
You know, I still still typically.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Think I'm probably by because I'm a big hunter, but
I'd say hunting, I like direct thread and then maybe
more tactical stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
You know, you can have quick detach. Yeah, it seems
like that's the feels like quick detach is like less
of a thing if you're just gonna leave it on
the gun though, right, Yeah, good point, just bean flashlight
around there and you're screwing the sign's run of that. Yeah,
you know, I mean I will say you know that
whole it was like this whole proprietary world where we
were in. Yeah, totally, And it's like can we I mean, look,
(15:27):
I'm sure I'm not the only one. Do you ever
like have the QD And then I just don't put
any lock tight on it, on the muzzle device and
I unscrew that and I screw that onto other things
because I've got some old AAC you know, fifty one
t Yeah, totally. You know, like, dude, I they don't
even like the muzzle devices are like unobtainium. You got
(15:49):
to go on gun broker and find you know, old
Bob's gun shop. Yeah. So like I'll just unscrew the
muzzle device and that's my that's my direct thread. Yeah yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah, No,
good point.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
And it's hard, like you said, if you don't lock
tight on there, if you get some carbon built up,
it'll just come off with a silence or you go
unscrew it.
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Any pro tips for people as they're getting into silencers
(17:12):
and what are the what are they like those FAQs?
I mean cleaning it, maintenance, you know, anything that they
need to do or don't do. Maybe there's stuff that
they people worry about with that they don't need to
worry about. Yeah, good question. You know.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
So I think the normal thought used to be always
get a multi caliber. I'm not against that, but I
would say that typically I would encourage someone whatever you
shoot the most, get a suppressor for that, because what
you're gonna find is gonna work really, really well, and
then it's gonna encourage you to get more because sometimes
you don't hear people get disappointed when they buy a silencer,
but you just hate to see someone buy something that's
you know, kind of a universal for everything because they're
trying to save money or bee all. Yeah, it's totally
(17:46):
and then it's too heavy for some applications, it's too big.
It's just you know, it's it's not perfect. So I
think that my advice would be, hey, what do you
shoot the most? What do you like to really really shoot?
I mean we're talking earlier. I like to shoot my
twifty seven weather be you. Unfortunately I shoot well. Sometimes
silencers are illegal, but you know, it's almost like picking
something specifically for that, leaving it on there and then
not worry about getting something that goes on everything else.
(18:07):
But that's I mean, that's one advice. You know, people
there are I don't know, I think it's like maybe
thirty to forty percent of people who like to clean
their silencers. Some people it's like the last thing in
their mind, but it is beneficial to be able to
do that.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I know that more and more people are coming out
with renses.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
I mean what I've seen effective is almost like tape
one end the exit in with say ductae, pour some
half and half clur, calcium lime, rust remove. It's basically
acidic acid with water half and half. Put it in there,
let it sit overnight and leave the carbon out, and
he just wash it out.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
So that's it. Yeah, with water, Yeah, totally. Wow. I
do like water.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Based stuff like that because you don't have to worry
about it getting trapped in there and blowing up if
you shoot or so you can blow it out.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
With not a rust issue doing it that way.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
No, most all silencers are you know, gonna it's gonna
blow it out anyway next time you shoot it.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, maybe it's kind of one of those. Do it
and then make sure you shoot it a little bit. Yeah,
it's like a cast iron pot. Hit it up, get
all the moisture out of there. I like it. You know, Well,
that's good. That's good. Well good man? And uh any
stories from this hind season anything fun that you've been doing. Oh?
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I mean I went on a what'funt up in Alberto
and one thing I saw was you know, kyotees.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
So you shooting me? Yea, I did. Yeah, I told
the guy it's the last day. I know it's co
but I shot anyway. Yeah, I'm gonna get something, Yeah, totally.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I just hate having a gun in my hand all
day for you know, ten hours a day in March
for I think I was there six day hunt.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
But that's a grind. Yeah, Oh it's tough. It's tough.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, I did want in Ontario, where I had better luck.
I think I was three days in, so that was good.
They're just a little smaller there, but really I think
since the very illegal to shoot Minnesota, they all float
up there right in there Ontario area where I go
link in the woods.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
So that's good. What's the biggest wolf that you've shot?
You know, not as big as i'd like. That's why
I keep going, Oh for sure, but i'd probably say.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Like, you know, eighty five ninety pounds. I mean, I've
had guys i've hunted with who've shot on ten hundred
and fifteen. Really yeah, some bigger ones, but yeah, very cool. Yeah,
I'm so bad about you here. People going to hunt
to get skunked. So any time I see one, I'm like,
it's a female.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
It's small. It's too bad, it's getting shot burden in
the hand. I know. Well, they say, if you want
to shoot the big ones, you got to pass up
the little ones, whether it's deer, wolves or whatever. Right, Oh,
that's you know, you don't go empty handed in that way.
If you just go you know what this is, this
is going to happen. True.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Okay, So one thing you asked me. Other things that
maybe I should mentioned. So you know, our process at
Silences are central to get a silencer. We've got a
lot of feedback from consumers over the years to fix things.
So I thought i'd mentioned a couple of things we fixed.
So used to once you're approved, we had to send
notification to your sheriff certified male, and we had to
wait seven days to ship it. So now we have
(20:43):
a way to do that digitally, and we also have
a way to do it as soon as you buy
the silencer, so there's no more waiting.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
So that's a that's a huge bit. So it saves
you a little more at a time.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Yeah, because people get frustrated, like I'm certified, I'm approved,
you know, why can't I get it, and we had
this sort of federal statute we had to satisfy weight.
We found another way to satisfy that, so there's no
weight at the end anymore. And it's also all digital,
so it's instant. The other thing is that when you
buy a silencer, typically the dealer fills out all the
paperwork for you, and then you have to go back
and look at the paperwork and the sort of verify
(21:13):
they filled it out correctly for you. Typically that would
mean like a drive back to the store. There's a
lot of different ways you'd have to do it. You know,
we used to do it via video and you'd have
to set up a time and call in, and you know,
we've mitigated that too. Now we've created a process that's
one hundred percent self directed. So, yeah, we enter in
all your data for you, and then we send you
a link says, hey, check it out. Make sure we
(21:33):
entered it properly on your behalf. Then you interned your
username and pen that the ATF gives you, and then
it submits it directly to the ATF.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
So you could do it with the middle of nite
or any time you want. Yeah, so it's it's it's
kind of like like look this over, make sure it's correct,
and hit approve or something like that. Yeah, because the
ATF just wants to make sure since the SOT dealers
doing the paywork on your behalf, that they filled out correctly,
you know, spelled your name right, put your trust name
in right, correct address, all that information is correct. I mean,
we obviously take it directly of the consumer.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
So it's rarely in errors, but there could be could
be a typos or sometimes people will send it, they'll
type in one thing and then their fingerprints might not
match that or you know, so there's there's then also
a recent future readded is you can upload your EFT file,
which is the file format for your fingerprints. It's gotten
more popular where people might go locally get their fingerprints done,
or maybe they did a form one or for whatever reason,
(22:18):
they're able to get their fingerprints digitally. So we have
a process now we can just upload it up there.
You don't have to, but it's a new option, and
then it just speeds up the process even quicker.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
So once somebody gets into working with you guys, they
sign it up, they fill out their their paperwork, they
get the fingerprints and the photo and stuff, and I
know that there's a few steps there, but you guys
do make it pretty darn easy. We manage everything once
that's all set up and they're going, oh, man, I
kind of want to get a silencer for this gun. Yeah,
(22:48):
what's involved at that point when they are kind of
already in the system. Yeah, it's a good question.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
We probably don't do a good enough job explaining this,
but we keep everything on file so that your.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Photo you don't have to start all over.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
We could basically populate everything almost instantly, so people that
buy here at the show.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Typically you see people at.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
The NRA show who bought from you before, they'll come
up and basically we'll just pull all their information in
because we already have it on file, and then pick
out what they want and then we submit it to
the ATF.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
So it's quick because we keep.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Your fingerprints on fall, we keep your photo on file,
and if you're photo.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
To the updated we can upload or you can upload.
Anyone does. But yeah, no, it's quick. You know.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
It's interesting because we were talking about yesterday a me
meeting with Deputy Assistant Director of the ATF and.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
The head of the NFA branch. Their goal.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
You know, now when you log in and you have
your own user ID, they call it, you know user
ID with the ATF and your own pen. They're using
that as your digital signature. So their goal in phase
two is that they would store your fingerprints there and
so every time you buy something, it would be there
and you would have to resumment them. So it more
helps the consumer. So it also help if hey, maybe
I bought it, you know, Bob's at one point, Now
(23:48):
I want to shop at Franks or whatever. You know,
you can sort of change it up. So the other
thing I didn't mention is we started working with dealers
all across the country to sell Banished. So years ago
Banished you could only really get through someoness cir Central
Enough productions.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
And that's your that's your in house brand totally of silencers.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
Yeah, yeah, because when I first start selling silencers, I
found that really no one A was able to meet
our volume and b was able to sort of identify
with a hunting market.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
And so we came up with a banished brand.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
You know, lightweight titanium comes apart to clean a lot
of benefits to hunters. But now we're selling it to
dealers across country. So a lot of wholesalers carrying out
a lot of dealers have it. We got several hundred
dealers now, so yeah, you don't have to necessarily just
come through Silence or two again.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Okay, So they can go to to their dealers there
even ask them. They can order any wholesaler has it. Awesome?
All right, Brandon, thanks for the skinny, Thanks for the episode.
Sure you having us, Yeah, you guys. I mean, look, silencers,
you guys have already made it easy. But the fact
that it's so quick, now, oh that's great. And just
I'll throw it out there to you. It's not just
(24:46):
the silencers. When you talk about the two hundred dollars
being gone and the way time's being short, that goes
for all of those other NFA thingies. So, yes, machine
guns are legal, people buy them, right, It's like heck yeah,
so with you know, machine guns, short barrow rifles, all
that stuff is also a little bit cheaper, two hundred
(25:07):
dollars cheaper and a whole lot faster to get them.
So go do it, guys, go do it. That's it
for us. We will see you next time on Gun
Talk Nation.
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