May 31, 2026 • 44 mins
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-- Are there really stupid guns, or is it just that sometimes we don't understand why somone would want one?
-- How do you answer when someone asks why you carry a gun?
-- A measure on the ballot in Oregon would ban hunting and fishing. What's going on out there?
Gun Talk 05.31.26 Hour 3
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-- Are there really stupid guns, or is it just that sometimes we don't understand why somone would want one?
-- How do you answer when someone asks why you carry a gun?
-- A measure on the ballot in Oregon would ban hunting and fishing. What's going on out there?
Gun Talk 05.31.26 Hour 3
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Speaker 4 (00:47):
Hey, welcome back, Pom Gresher. It's gun called. Question for
you do you carry a gun? Follow up question, why
do you carry a gun? I'm asking because if you
do carry, you have people I'm sure you talk to friends, coworkers, whatever,
people who know you carry, who will ask you why
(01:10):
do you carry a gun? Because a lot of people
don't understand it. They just can't conceive of it, or,
as they like to say, I could never imagine needing
to carry a gun. I can never imagine using a
gun to shoot somebody. Well, they can't imagine because they
don't have a good enough imagination.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
But that's a whole different deal.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Here's the question, how do you answer that when somebody says,
why do you carry a gun? I'm not not being
flip or anything. I'm just curious. How do you handle
the question? The number here is eight sixty six. Talk gun,
give me a call. The other question we have on
the floor, we're going to get to that right now,
is that we have currently in the US an eleven
(01:51):
percent excise tax on long guns and ammunition and ten
percent excise tax on handguns. It's paid by the manufacturers,
but clearly they it's built in so we pay for
it and SUMER.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Pays for it.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
And it's used as part of the Pittman Robertson Act,
the pr Funds, and it's used to buy habitat, to
buy lands, to promote hunting, to promote shooting, to build
shooting ranges. It's been responsible for saving a lot of
the wildlife in America, so it's done a lot of
good things. But there is an argument to be made
(02:24):
that it's a tax on guns, which is a tax
on a Second Amendment. Right, So I invite you to
weigh in. How do you feel about that. Let's say
we've got Eric first, who wants to talk about that
out of Springfield, Missouri. Eric, thanks for your patients, talk
about this excise tax.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
What's your take?
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Yeah, well, I was just wanting to know. You know,
I didn't know a lot of these taxes existed until
I already talked about it. And what I was wondering
is you know how much of these taxes went up
over the years, and who controls these taxes.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
The rate is all alas remain the same, so the
taxes have not gone up. It's an eleven percent on
long guns and ammunition and actually both I think bows
and arrows.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
And it's ten percent on handguns. It's been the same
for decades, and it's control I see one of the
Interior Department might be I'm not sure, but the money
is used for wildlife habitat, for making sure that hunting
is allowed in a lot of the federal lands, for
(03:30):
building shooting ranges, and for hundred education programs. Basically, it's
the money that funds the hunter education programs around the country.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Right, I'd heard something that they're talking about trying to
take away hunting.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Well, yeah, the anti hunters, the anti hunters and anti
guns of gunners have always wanted to do away with hunting.
And you've got anti hunters who say, we don't like hunting,
and then you got the anti gunners who don't really
care about hunting, but they know that that's the reason
a lot of people own guns, and so if they
could get rid of hunting, then they eliminate all those
people who own guns, and now there's no reason to
have guns. So those two groups combined and actually end
(04:07):
up becoming the same. They're anti hunters and anti gun groups.
They're all basically the same, trying to take away.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Your guns, right, so you have less money coming into
the system.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Okay, sure, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
They want to use that as a way to come
back and say, well, see, nobody's hunting anymore, so we
don't need guns, we don't need the Second Amendment, we
don't need gun rights. So they use that as a
wedge too. I don't think they're going to get there
because the public supports hunting.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Right, I will give you one what you was talking
about when you just came back on. I haven't carried
a gun in years, and I've always been a gun
owner since I come out in the military, and I'm
fifty nine years old. I just recently started carrying a
gun after the events with open borders and the way
things of you know, larger cities. I live in a
(04:52):
mid size city. It's not really a big city. It's
not a small city, but it's right on major interstates
and that we have a lot of people that come
through here, and there's just random shootings on the interstate
areas and I live right at that area of town.
So I started carrying a gun, different shelf production. Hopefully
(05:13):
I'll never have to use it.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
You know, I don't carry it on my side.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
I keep it hidden. I don't let people see that
I have it right, and we have that law in
the state.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
But you know, Eric, it's interesting because for a long time,
a lot of us, a lot of people just said, well,
you know, there's no reason, why would anybody want to
hurt me. I've not hurt anybody else. I pay, you know,
just pay attention to my own stuff. I leave people
alone and I think over the last I don't know,
a decade or so, we're just seeing a lot of
(05:43):
random crime and violence where for no reason at all,
And also we're seeing it on video, which also makes
it more real. People just go hurt other people or
shoot other people, or road rage is part of it.
And we're now we're kind of thinking the same way
you are. You're thinking, well, this it come to me
through no fault of my own, and what am I
(06:04):
going to do.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
To protect myself? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
All right, well, good deal. I mean that's a great rundown.
Thank you, Eric. I appreciate the call. We got them
lined up. I want to talk about this. Adam is
in Wisconsin. Adam, we'll talked about the Pittman Robertson Act
and you've got some thoughts on that.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Yeah, myself, being involved in agriculture, I'm aware of things
within the agricultural industry called checkoffs, where the Corn Growers Association,
for example, takes you know, a fraction of a percent
of every sale bushel of corn. The beef producers have it.
That's where you get your your beef. It's what for
what's for dinner? Tech commercials? I guess I don't look
at the Robertson fitsmans as a tax as much as
(06:47):
a checkoff, if you want to call it that like
they do in agriculture, because it's advocacy for hunters, sportsman shooters,
et cetera. And you know, the way the world's going,
more and more people are getting closed off of places
that they used to be able to hunt, and having
something where we can have a seat at the table
to be able to keep hunting going on public lands
(07:11):
is just a good thing.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Yeah, okay, good, good thought. I appreciate that. Let me explain.
I think I've mentioned it, but I just want to
say this. Back when we got the tax and when
Pittman Robertson Act was passed, and think it was thirty seven,
and wildlife was in such terrible condition in the US,
and American hunters and conservationists got together and I understand
(07:34):
that conservationists is not the same as a preservationists. Conservation
the real definition of conservation is the wise use of
natural resource, not locking it up using it, but just
using it wisely. And they got together and said, you know,
we got to find some way to protect wildlife habitat
and protect wildlife. And why don't we tax ourselves. There's
(07:56):
really one of the mounted to They said, we're going
to ask Congress to pass a law to tax us,
which is pretty rare in America or anywhere really, but
we're gonna we want the money. We need the money
to help wildlife and to help hunting. And yeah, I
know it's a vested self interest. Hunters want to protect
(08:19):
wildlife and grow wildlife populations, fair enough, but okay, so
we're going to take we take what three percent five
percent of the population, and the rest of it just
continues to grow, so everybody benefits out of that. So anyway,
that's your history of Bim and Robertson is that it
was actually hunters and gun owners who ask for this
tax and got it passed. Now we're taking a fresh
(08:42):
look at it. And one of the things that's complicated,
and I'll admit this, is that some states are now saying, oh, well, well,
we'll put our own excise tax on there. And it has
nothing to do with saving wildlife or hunting or habitat
or anything else. It's just punitive to make expense if
to buy and own guns. So that's the complication today.
(09:04):
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Hold on, I'm going to get to you just a second.
I gotta take a quick break here. We've got to
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Speaker 4 (12:07):
All right, so the question on the floor is why
when you're asked by people, what's your response to the
question why do you carry a gun? And I get
different answers. It's a lot of thems. It kind of
revolves around the same thing. But I'm just curious how
you respond if you'll find out, particularly maybe even more
(12:28):
so for women. Although women face frankly, more risks, were
more types of attack, obviously, clearly you also have more challenges.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
On how to carry.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
So if you're a woman and you carry, I'd like
to know why, and then to what do you tell
your friends when they ask you about that. Our number
again is tom Talk Gun easiest that way. Let's see,
we got Jerry in Colorado Springs. Hellyer, you got a
cool idea.
Speaker 11 (13:01):
Here, go with it, Hi Tom. Yeah, I started my
girls off in shooting with a daisy Red Rider, just
shooting bebies in the backyard and with reactive targets like
your suggestion of putting uh Ritz crackers on a target.
I use balloons and that just enthralled them and they
(13:25):
were hooked after that. The other benefit to that is
you don't have to worry if you go to a
public range that you're trying to get your kids introduced
without being intimidated, and you've got people to the left
and right who are blazing away with magnums.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Or yeah, yeah, start and I like the Red Rider
using baby guns, popping balloons or crackers. Or if you
go to Costco or Sam's Club, they got this huge
like gallon, big jug.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Of cheese balls, Jeeves puffs. Those make great targets. If
you're at a place where you can do that.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
You'll make a mess, but you hit those things and
they break up and then the next rain takes care
of them, or the birds pick them up and do that.
So then those are fun and they could use BB guns,
and you could actually use twenty two's for those as well.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
But the other thing is.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
If you're starting kids out with BB guns, they may
not need hearing protection, but they do need eye protection,
so you need to make sure they have shooting glasses
of some sort. Bbs will bounce off of stuff. I
know this from experience as a kid. You shoot them
into a tree or a board or something, they'll bounce
right back and eats right tween your eyes. So you
(14:38):
do need to be wearing glasses when you're shooting bbs.
And also it's just a good training to where you say, look,
we don't pull the trigger without wearing shooting glasses.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Period. It's just what we do. So there you go.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Oh line four, I believe it is Haiko in Carson,
State of Nevada.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Is it Haiko?
Speaker 12 (14:58):
Yes, sir Tom, long time they'll talk to you. Sorry,
I only have one ear to hear you. The thing
that I wanted to bring up, I'm going to redo
my concealed carry. The funny thing, I have a dilemma.
If you don't have a concealed carry, you're not allowed
to conceal your fire run. So I renewing my concealed
(15:22):
carry in a month. And the other thing I wanted
to bring up is what's wrong with Oregon? If Oregon
can not have you hunt anything, you know, whether it's fish, furs,
or I'm not gonna spread us the whole United States.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Yeah, Oregon's got a bill that are trying to get past,
which would essentially band hunting and fishing. We'll see what
happens with that. I don't think that's gonna I mean,
it's hard for me to imagine. But then again, sometimes
it's hard for me to imagine Oregon at all. You know,
of course, there's as you well know, there's the eastern
and the western part, and they're completely different. The eastern
part of Washington would really I mean, would organ rather
(16:03):
would really like to be part of Idaho.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
So there you go.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
But all your concealed carry permit, I think it's worthwhile
renewing a permit, even if you're not required to, even
if you had constitution carry where you are, just for
the reciprocity be able to carry in various states. And
I know you know that. Look, I appreciate the call.
Having said that, if you're going to travel using your
(16:27):
permit and rely on reciprocity.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Please, please, please do the effort, make do the work.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
To find out what the rules are in need state,
because they change every time you go over a state line.
You are in a completely different legal environment, and you
may well know the rules where you are. You may
know the laws, and they may be so different as
to get you in trouble in another state. Case in point,
(17:01):
in some states, with your conceal carry permit, you can
go into a bar you're perfect illegal, but you can't
have a drink.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
In some states you could.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Have a drink, but you got to be under a
certain alcohol limit, maybe like a point oh four.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
In some states, however, you can't carry your.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Gun into an establishment that serves liquor at all. And
here's what happens. Here's how the law actually works. If
you carry into that, then it is as though your
carry permit has vanished, it's evaporated. You don't have one anymore,
and now you're carrying a concealed gun without a permit,
(17:45):
and all the legal ramifications that come from that can
land upon you. You well, are you required in that
given state, in a traffic stop, for instance, to inform
the officer that you're carrying a gun. Some states there
is no duty to inform, and in some states there
(18:07):
is a duty to inform.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
You got to know the laws. It's not easy.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
It requires work on your part to know, because ignorance
of the law is no excuse. You know that drill.
So how do you know? I go to the website
Handgunlaw dot US. There are others out there, and I
don't say that this is better than the others. This
(18:36):
just is the one that I use. I have no
connection to them, don't know anybody there, but they don't
advertise on the show. I just use their service Handgun
Law singular handgun Law dot US, not dot com dot us.
And you put in the state where you have your permit,
and then you can see where your permit's honored. Then
you can click on those states that you'll be going
(18:56):
through and read through. You gotta scroll down, read through.
It'll say you know your permit is good here it's
not good. There is there a duty to inform?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yes or no.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
In some states, when people put up a no gun sign,
it has no weight in law at all. In another
state it absolutely has the weight and law and you
cannot go in there with your gun. It would be
good to know these things as you travel around and
you may get a little frustrated and you say, wow,
their laws are worse than mine. Yeah they are, but
at least you know about them fair enough. Okay, Line one. Now,
(19:28):
Biddy's with us out of Corpus CHRISTI, Texas. Hey, Betty,
you're on gun Talk. What's up.
Speaker 13 (19:34):
Good afternoon, Tom. I understand this. The folks over in
Oregon are about to do a crazy thing. They've got
this initiative to vote themselves out of hunting rights that's
going to the ballot. I can't believe it's happening. Have
you heard a whole lot about that?
Speaker 4 (19:54):
A little bit about it, And as we go through
the summer and head toward it, I'll talk more about it.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
As we had toward election time.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
At the outset, I would say, well, that's crazy and
nothing's going to happen with that, But then again, it's Oregon.
And I also know this I do know for sure
is if you get enough money behind anything, you can
convince the people of it. And if somebody wants to
go drop fifty one hundred million dollars onto this initiative,
and there are people who would do that to convince
the public to vote for this man. It's like they
(20:28):
can get you to buy soap or anything else with
enough advertising, and so it's a real danger. So I
will look into that, and I'll get some people in
here from Oregon and other places, and we'll get some
information as we go forward. But I appreciate you to
let me know about it and let me know you're
concerned with it. Let's see Joe and Farming at Flemington,
New Jersey. I got one minute for you, Joe, so
(20:48):
go for it.
Speaker 14 (20:49):
John Tom, have you seen the video about the guy
shooting into paper plates instead of a Geil block. No,
it's really cool. Paper plates are cheap, and these are
the heavy duty ones like you know, the wax ones, right,
And it said, you know, if you if you, if
you don't have a you can't most of us can't
get jail blocks. But he starts over with twenty two
and it goes through ninety seven paper plates, and then
(21:11):
he goes up to it's the nine millimeter you know,
jacket jackal, and it goes to three hundred, and then
he does a forty five and then only goes through
two fifty. And the neat thing is you can you
don't have to change your paper plates every time. You know,
first he uses the twenty two, and then he uses
the same group of paper plates, and he the nine millimeters,
so you can put three or four different rounds. Now again,
(21:33):
you don't see how large the wound channel is, but
it's a poor man substitute for jail block penetrating penetration.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
You know, I love it. The funny part is you
going to love this?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
All it is is doing what we used to do
thirty years ago when we would go get.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Old phone books yep, and use those.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
But now, of course there are no phone books, so
you got to go buy a phone plates exactly.
Speaker 14 (21:59):
The one little trick by the way he you know,
once he puts some you know, stacks him up. He
puts blue painters tape just to hold them together so
they'll all fall apart.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Oh good idea. I like that. I appreciate the call. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
In fact, we used to take newspaper or phone books
and we would soak them and get them wet and
shoot them, thinking that that was a better representation of
shooting a game animal. I don't know if it was,
but it sure was messy and heavy and hard.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
To do.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
But man, I collected and shot a lot of newspapers
and a lot of phone books in the old days.
Now can't get newspapers, can't get phone books. I never
thought of the paper plates, and you get those big
stacks of them at Costa and Sam's and places. I
love the idea I got. I'm going to go try
that idea. Thank you, sir. I'm Tom gresher Be right back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
(22:56):
I'm still talking about guns. That's what I do around here.
We talk about guns because it's gun talk. I'm Tom
glad that you could be with us. Let's say a
couple of things. Don't go anywhere, Jeff, I'm gonna get
you in just a second. A couple of things I
want to get into though. We were talking about the four
Rules of Gun Safety, as created by Colonel Jeff Cooper,
the founder of gun site. I just looked over on
the website and they do have the metal sign with
(23:19):
the four Rules of Gun Safety on them. A twenty
one nine is the price. I got nothing out of this, okay,
But if you go to gunsitestore dot com, it's g
U N S I T gunsitestore dot com and you
look for the gun site safety rule sign or the
four rules.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
You can find that and it's cool metal sign. You
can put it up where you want.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
All right, question i'd like to throw out here before
we get to the other conversation.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Are there stupid guns?
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Are there guns you looked at and you said, well
that that's just stupid? Or when they introduced it, you
had a what a stupid idea? That's just dumb. I've
had a number of those, almost every time I've been wrong.
The Taurust judge when it came out, I said, what
(24:08):
a dumb idea, that's just dumb. Revolver that shoots four
ten shotgun shells? What do you do with that thing? Well,
one thing you can have a lot of fun with
at the range. I've actually handed quail with them. It's
that was stupid but fun. And then with mixed loads
and all you can do some interesting things with it.
Wouldn't be my first choice, but okay, maybe it's viable.
(24:30):
Five point seven by twenty eight cartridge that's just stupid,
little bit tiny?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
What is that? What's that for? Uh?
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Well, maybe maybe I was wrong on that one too.
Actually I've been wrong on a lot of them. But
sometimes you look at something you go, that's that's stupid.
I wouldn't buy that if you ever had that reaction
looking at somebody's gun, or a new cartridge or a
new gun. Not you know, do we need a six
or five creed More that's just stupid. Well, we don't
(24:57):
need it. But it did do something at others didn't do.
Speaking of which, you want to how do I say this?
You want to be here next week? We've been shooting
something that's new and different and we're under a deep
nda on it and it'll be out. We can talk
about it on the show next week. Game Changers used
(25:22):
a lot, but this time it really is. So we'll
talk about that next week. That's as far as I
know on that one. Let's go grab Jeff out of
La Grand, Oregon. He's got an update for us. Jeff,
have you people lost your mind again?
Speaker 15 (25:36):
I may have, but it's not related to the petition.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, that's a different subject.
Speaker 15 (25:41):
Okay, Yeah, I was going to talk about new guns
I've gotten, but I think it's important we go into
this initiative. Petition twenty Yes please, it's amazing. One hundred
and seventeen thousand people signed the petition to get it
on the ballot in November. The thing not only does
(26:05):
it band hunting and fishing, bands, commercial production of beef, pork, chicken,
no more crabbing or clamming on the coast. And not
only that, but if you have a rodent problem in
your house with rats or mice, you have to live,
(26:26):
crap them and release them outside unharmed. And part of it,
it appears that killing of agricultural fields wouldn't be allowed
because of the potential harm to gophers and ground squirrels.
(26:46):
I mean, but what they're trying to portray it as
an anti animal abuse and I mean, nobody wants to
abuse animals, but that's how they're getting some of the
on there.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Sure it sounds to me, Jeff, as you describe it,
that the public when they hear what this actually does,
and you're right, they will use this language like this
is an anti animal abuse and get people to sign it,
okay that yeah, we're all against that. And then but
when the voters find out about it, and I'm sure
(27:23):
there will be because of the industry is affected, there
will be some money put into getting the word out.
I gotta think people would say, you can't in the farming.
You can't in ranching, you can't in cattle and beat
production and hog production, you can't in commercial fishing. That's crazy.
(27:44):
I hold out hope. I mean, I know that sometimes
Oregon does really nutty stuff, but even this I think
is way too far. Are you getting any kind of
sense at this point of which way the wind's blowing.
Speaker 15 (27:58):
Yeah, it doesn't appear it will pass. But what it's
going to do is get the conversation on board out
and you know, chat rooms and stuff for people to
talk about and the you know, the anti hunters and
(28:19):
fishermen and the vegetarians. You know, they have an agenda
and they're just trying to chip away however they can.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yes, yeah, And a.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Lot of times they'll do this knowing that it's going
to fail, and then do it the next year knowing
it's going to fail. But the idea is in ten years,
maybe we can get something past. And that's the way
they work.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Now.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
There may be a good side benefit to this. If
it enrages enough people on the right, they may come
out and vote, which will get them voting in the midterms,
which is a good thing to motivate them to get
them out there.
Speaker 15 (28:51):
Possibly.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yeah, well we'll see. But look, Jeff, I appreciate the
heads up on that. Keep us posted if you would.
Let's grab Ken in Texas online too. Hey Ken, you're
on gun Talk. What's cooking?
Speaker 16 (29:05):
Hey Tom? How's it going? Uh? There is a Nacotish
boy yourself? Oh okay, I used to have my uncle
used to read to me your dad's articles and stuff
as I was growing up. I'll be dark, yes, whenever
you're down on Red River. I was out on Sibney Lake.
They built part of Sibby Lake on family land. And
(29:28):
if you've ever eaten at the Mariner there in Nakatish,
that was family land and with a big peninsula back there.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
I've eaten at the marridor many times. You watch the
new tree on the shoreline as we're eating.
Speaker 16 (29:41):
There, you go, well, that was nolly land back he
put the lake in.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
All right, So let's start homes.
Speaker 16 (29:49):
Yes, can you still hear me?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I got you? You go ahead, Okay.
Speaker 16 (29:54):
I have a thirty six caliber coat that was supposedly
Frank James. This gun, it's got nine notches on the
butt and uh, it's an octagon barrel. And I got
a serial number on it and it says addresses Colonel
Sam Cole, New York, US, America. And that's about all
(30:18):
I got on it. I have a serial number one
five zero one seven six, and that's all I've got.
It's an heirloom from my family that for my wife's family,
that he traded the gun for a bag of groceries
at a grocery store, and that's how it came into
their being. And we've got documentations and old newspaper articles
(30:42):
and that on it. But and then it was stolen.
Then they recovered it and gave it back to them.
History involved in all of it. But what would something
like that be worth. My brother in law can't have it,
he lives out of the country. And my wife that's
nothing she's going to shoot. So we would like to
(31:05):
get rid of it.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Only one way to know what's going to be worth,
and that's to put it for sale in an auction.
Somebody like Rock Island auction dot Com.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
They would take it.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
They'd want as much providence as they can get background
on it. They'd want to be able to authenticate it,
and then you just kind of let the bidding go
and wherever it goes is where it goes, and the
market will determine what the value is.
Speaker 16 (31:30):
Okay, and you'd have any speculation with something like that.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Might be worth I'll give you fourteen dollars. The silence
was deafening on my offer. I may have to refigure that.
Speaker 16 (31:49):
You want something you can shoot, don't you?
Speaker 4 (31:54):
I have no idea. I don't do gun valuations. I
mean it could be thousand, it could be fifty thousand
or more. I just wouldn't have the slightest idea. And
that's where an outfit like this that can put it
before a lot of people and the collectors will know
about it and they'll jump on it.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
It's Rockisland Auction dot Com.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
There are some others out there, but this is just
the first one that popped into my head.
Speaker 16 (32:23):
Okay, and all right, what you have to just malate
to them is that what you would do.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
To it, Well, they'll have all the information, they'll tell
you how to do it, and basically, if you go
there and start the conversation, they'll want pictures and everything else,
and then they'll tell you how to ship it to
them and everything.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
So it's it.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
They make it really easy and so but you know,
they are going to want to be able to authenticate
it as best they can, and they'll work on that.
So but you trying to sell it yourself, I think
is a long shot trying to find because I mean,
you may say, boy, we got we got five thousand dollars,
We've got a good deal on it, and somebody says, yeah,
but you understand that was worth one hundred and fifty
(32:59):
thousand dollars. We just don't have any idea. So that's
what I would do. And look, I appreciate the call, sir,
And those kind of guns are hard to price. And
the more information you can get about it, the more
the better it's going to be. There's a collector's association
that you may want to tap into and they will
(33:21):
have information on how you can authenticate and maybe track
it down with sources. And the more information you have
the better. And you know, you may find that it, yeah,
it was in fact Frank James's, or you may find
that it wasn't at all. Either way, it's an interesting story.
It's fun to chase. So there you go, appreciate the call.
(33:42):
What's a gun worth is always an interesting question. Johnny
Dury has a really good sense of things like that,
and I didn't mention it can but Dewy'sguns dot Com
would not be a bad place to go either, because
Johnny and as I've mentioned before, I've done a lot
of work with Johnny before he was an advertiser here.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I sold him a whole bunch of guns, and.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
He has for something like this, he has the list
of people who he knows he can call and say, hey,
I got this thing. He'll never make it to the internet,
it'll never make it in the store. It's like you
just got to know the right people to call. So
Ken I would also check with Johnny Doury over Drury'sguns
dot Com and get his thoughts on that, and he
(34:27):
may end up putting it up for auction as well.
But he also may have a co collector who says,
I have always heard of that gun. We knew it
was in existence, we just didn't know where it was.
And that sometimes happens, you know, It's like one of
those whisper things. Yeah there's a gun out there, and
we know it was made and we know it went
(34:47):
to so and so, but then we lost track of
it and the collectors go, yeah, it's like the white Whale,
the holy Grail that's out there somewhere, and then it
just pops up.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
It's like, wow, there.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
It is, so you never know, I don't know. It's
not my kind of thing. I'll like guns.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I can shoot.
Speaker 7 (35:08):
I have.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Two. Yeah, I got two pretty guns. Literally.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Well, I mean a lot of my handguns are pretty,
but they're not like gorgeous. But I've got two nice
rifles with pretty wood on them. I had another one,
but it was two pretty literally, it was so gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
It's like it would hurt your eyes. It's like, oh
my god.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
And I bought it because it was so pretty and
it was a four fifty eight wind mag stupid caliber
for me.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Didn't need it. Shot it like a half dozen times.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
And put it away, and we take it out and
look at it and did that for like three years,
and then finally said, okay, this is dumb. You got
a bunch of money wrapped up in this gun that
just lives in the safe in the dark. Let somebody
else enjoy it. So sold it. I only took about
a thousand dollars bath on that deal. I am one
shrewd gun trader. Let me tell you what I lose
(35:57):
a little bit on each one, but I make it
up in the I am.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
So there you go.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
It's just don't do as I do, do as I
say on this, go to somebody that knows what they're
doing about this, and I ignore good advice. I asked
Johnny during many years ago, I said, you know, if
I wanted to get a machine gun for investment, what
should I get? He said, We'll just get a good,
solid M sixteen. We can get you one at a
good price. And he caught it be a good price,
(36:22):
and it was expensive because they are expensive. And I
didn't do it because it was a lot of money.
And now it'd be worth at least twice. You know,
I could have made something on the order of fifteen
to twenty thousand dollars on that gun. But no, I'm
not going to listen to Johnny. I know better now.
I listen to Johnny on stuff like that. But I'm
(36:42):
also I'm not an investor in guns as a way
of like making money. I guess you could say I
invest in guns because I buy guns, but I buy
guns to go shoe guns and I buy well, we
were talking about silly guns. I buy silly guns sometimes.
I recently bought a three five and h just because
(37:07):
because it was just silly. I didn't know what am
I going to do with it? Haven't done anything with
it yet, So there you go. Let's see. I want
to drop down to line five and grab Milton out
of Bosier City.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Hey Milton, you're on gun talk. Let's talk dumb guns.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
Well, dumb guns. So I had a general practitioner doctor
who had a couple of guns he wanted to get
rid of. And I'm a shotgunner, and he had a
Belgian Browning Sweet sixteen, and I didn't know any much
of anything about it. I figured out how to take
it out. I took it out to the range, figured
out how to load it, shot the thing, immediately put
(37:43):
it down and never picked it up again. It's it's
the one where the whole barrel cycles instead of just
the action inside. And it scared me to death. And
I told somebody about do what.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
You can feel it when it goes off, The whole
thing is moving you on? What was that?
Speaker 6 (38:02):
Do you feel it? See it?
Speaker 2 (38:04):
You know?
Speaker 6 (38:04):
It's like, what was this? And then I got to
talking to some people in the old timers. I guess
if you had a round in it and you set
it down too hard on the butt and would go
off and shoot your thumber, your ear off or both.
So cheez, it's on the wall, never be taken down again.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Well, there are those guns. You look at it and just go,
that's just dumb. I don't know what they were thinking
about that. It's you know, but there have always been
people who tinker with the design of guns as well,
and so there are some strange things out there. So
do you have a gun that you say, Okay, this
is my favorite if I had my go to on everything, Well, I.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Shoot sporting plays, you know, I shoot sporting plays of
barretta DT eleven when I go Duck Hut and the
Barretta A four hundred. So I'm a Bretta guy.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
There you go. You can't go wrong with Barretta's good call.
Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. Yeah, if you said.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Okay, I want a shotgun front, I want a really
good shotgun, Just get a Bretta. Whether it's an over
and Under or Semiauto, it's probably gonna work really well
for you. I remember a guy told me. He says, yeah,
Barrett of the over Runners there's a nice inexpensive shotgun.
So I was looking at one who's like three grand
or something. Then I found out that he was a
dealer and a repair guy for five was a good
(39:14):
inexpensive starter gun for him. It's all relative, isn't it,
you know? And the three grand is a lot of
money from me. But there you go, all right? Eight
six' Six Talk Gun we'll get you in. Here Or
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Now we can get you in. THERE i got a
question for, you who are you going to rely? Upon
who is going to take care of? You and, furthermore
how do you know if you're any? Good, well the
whole who are you going to rely? Upon you know
Where i'm going with that is you can count yourself
(40:04):
and maybe a couple of. Others but your phone is
not a security. Device and nine to one one is
where you go to report a, crime but not to
stop a. Crime and you are your own first. Responder
nobody else is going to be, there the police don't
even have a legal duty to protect.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
You did you know that several.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Court cases have decided the police don't have a legal
duty to protect. You so you decided to carry a,
gun decided to get a, gun decide to carry a.
Gun but do you have any? Skills because there's a
lot to. It there really is a lot to. It
(40:49):
there's a lot of stuff you may not be aware.
Of and, please please please don't tell me, that OH
i was in the, MILITARY i got training, there OR
i was a. Cop, yeah, okay maybe as a, cop
maybe you know some, stuff although unfortunately the reality is
some of the most Nervous i've been in a shooting
(41:11):
situation at shooting range has been with.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Cops they're just a lot of times not very good
and not very.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Safe so just be. Aware so how would you know
if you're any? Good it's a good. Question don't you
THINK i know how you? Know go take a class
find out and yeah you could do you could do,
competition but that's. Different that's how well you can. Shoot
this is not about. That, yes you know how to,
(41:38):
shoot you need to know how to shoot reasonably, well
but you need to know how to draw. Well what
do you mean you just take it out of the. Holster,
yeah that's where we're going to. Start there's specific way
you need to draw your. Gun case in, point you're,
behind you're sitting at a. Table you need to draw
from the city. Position are you going to pull the
(42:01):
gun out of your horst and then clunk it into
the bottom side of the. Table do you know how
to draw it and bring it up over the? Table
the standard draw you do should work everywhere in that
situation as. Well do you know how to move and?
Shoot do you know how to move through a house
to clear your? House do you know that you can't
point your gun at everything you're looking at many cases
(42:24):
that would actually be a crime to go through a
house waving or go through a place waving your, gun
pointing it at everybody because you think they're a.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Threat, oh you didn't know.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
That that you don't know what you don't. Know so
my question to you, is how would you know if
you're any? Good in the process of discovering, that addressing that,
question you will actually get. Training you will find out
where you are on the, scale and you will start,
(42:54):
improving and chances are you going to want to get.
More we have classes over at Rains Ready. Studio those
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Go choose Wise. Lee there are some idiots giving instruction out.
There try to vet them as best you. Can if
(43:17):
somebody SAYS i went to so and so and he was,
great my next question is, great where else have you?
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Been how do you know he was?
Speaker 4 (43:25):
Great if he's the only place you've ever, been because
they all appear wonderful the first time you, go simply as, That,
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Speaker 4 (00:47):
Hey, welcome back, Pom Gresher. It's gun called. Question for
you do you carry a gun? Follow up question, why
do you carry a gun? I'm asking because if you
do carry, you have people I'm sure you talk to friends, coworkers, whatever,
people who know you carry, who will ask you why
(01:10):
do you carry a gun? Because a lot of people
don't understand it. They just can't conceive of it, or,
as they like to say, I could never imagine needing
to carry a gun. I can never imagine using a
gun to shoot somebody. Well, they can't imagine because they
don't have a good enough imagination.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
But that's a whole different deal.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Here's the question, how do you answer that when somebody says,
why do you carry a gun? I'm not not being
flip or anything. I'm just curious. How do you handle
the question? The number here is eight sixty six. Talk gun,
give me a call. The other question we have on
the floor, we're going to get to that right now,
is that we have currently in the US an eleven
(01:51):
percent excise tax on long guns and ammunition and ten
percent excise tax on handguns. It's paid by the manufacturers,
but clearly they it's built in so we pay for
it and SUMER.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Pays for it.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
And it's used as part of the Pittman Robertson Act,
the pr Funds, and it's used to buy habitat, to
buy lands, to promote hunting, to promote shooting, to build
shooting ranges. It's been responsible for saving a lot of
the wildlife in America, so it's done a lot of
good things. But there is an argument to be made
(02:24):
that it's a tax on guns, which is a tax
on a Second Amendment. Right, So I invite you to
weigh in. How do you feel about that. Let's say
we've got Eric first, who wants to talk about that
out of Springfield, Missouri. Eric, thanks for your patients, talk
about this excise tax.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
What's your take?
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Yeah, well, I was just wanting to know. You know,
I didn't know a lot of these taxes existed until
I already talked about it. And what I was wondering
is you know how much of these taxes went up
over the years, and who controls these taxes.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
The rate is all alas remain the same, so the
taxes have not gone up. It's an eleven percent on
long guns and ammunition and actually both I think bows
and arrows.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
And it's ten percent on handguns. It's been the same
for decades, and it's control I see one of the
Interior Department might be I'm not sure, but the money
is used for wildlife habitat, for making sure that hunting
is allowed in a lot of the federal lands, for
(03:30):
building shooting ranges, and for hundred education programs. Basically, it's
the money that funds the hunter education programs around the country.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Right, I'd heard something that they're talking about trying to
take away hunting.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Well, yeah, the anti hunters, the anti hunters and anti
guns of gunners have always wanted to do away with hunting.
And you've got anti hunters who say, we don't like hunting,
and then you got the anti gunners who don't really
care about hunting, but they know that that's the reason
a lot of people own guns, and so if they
could get rid of hunting, then they eliminate all those
people who own guns, and now there's no reason to
have guns. So those two groups combined and actually end
(04:07):
up becoming the same. They're anti hunters and anti gun groups.
They're all basically the same, trying to take away.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Your guns, right, so you have less money coming into
the system.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Okay, sure, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
They want to use that as a way to come
back and say, well, see, nobody's hunting anymore, so we
don't need guns, we don't need the Second Amendment, we
don't need gun rights. So they use that as a
wedge too. I don't think they're going to get there
because the public supports hunting.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Right, I will give you one what you was talking
about when you just came back on. I haven't carried
a gun in years, and I've always been a gun
owner since I come out in the military, and I'm
fifty nine years old. I just recently started carrying a
gun after the events with open borders and the way
things of you know, larger cities. I live in a
(04:52):
mid size city. It's not really a big city. It's
not a small city, but it's right on major interstates
and that we have a lot of people that come
through here, and there's just random shootings on the interstate
areas and I live right at that area of town.
So I started carrying a gun, different shelf production. Hopefully
(05:13):
I'll never have to use it.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
You know, I don't carry it on my side.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
I keep it hidden. I don't let people see that
I have it right, and we have that law in
the state.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
But you know, Eric, it's interesting because for a long time,
a lot of us, a lot of people just said, well,
you know, there's no reason, why would anybody want to
hurt me. I've not hurt anybody else. I pay, you know,
just pay attention to my own stuff. I leave people
alone and I think over the last I don't know,
a decade or so, we're just seeing a lot of
(05:43):
random crime and violence where for no reason at all,
And also we're seeing it on video, which also makes
it more real. People just go hurt other people or
shoot other people, or road rage is part of it.
And we're now we're kind of thinking the same way
you are. You're thinking, well, this it come to me
through no fault of my own, and what am I
(06:04):
going to do.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
To protect myself? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
All right, well, good deal. I mean that's a great rundown.
Thank you, Eric. I appreciate the call. We got them
lined up. I want to talk about this. Adam is
in Wisconsin. Adam, we'll talked about the Pittman Robertson Act
and you've got some thoughts on that.
Speaker 7 (06:23):
Yeah, myself, being involved in agriculture, I'm aware of things
within the agricultural industry called checkoffs, where the Corn Growers Association,
for example, takes you know, a fraction of a percent
of every sale bushel of corn. The beef producers have it.
That's where you get your your beef. It's what for
what's for dinner? Tech commercials? I guess I don't look
at the Robertson fitsmans as a tax as much as
(06:47):
a checkoff, if you want to call it that like
they do in agriculture, because it's advocacy for hunters, sportsman shooters,
et cetera. And you know, the way the world's going,
more and more people are getting closed off of places
that they used to be able to hunt, and having
something where we can have a seat at the table
to be able to keep hunting going on public lands
(07:11):
is just a good thing.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Yeah, okay, good, good thought. I appreciate that. Let me explain.
I think I've mentioned it, but I just want to
say this. Back when we got the tax and when
Pittman Robertson Act was passed, and think it was thirty seven,
and wildlife was in such terrible condition in the US,
and American hunters and conservationists got together and I understand
(07:34):
that conservationists is not the same as a preservationists. Conservation
the real definition of conservation is the wise use of
natural resource, not locking it up using it, but just
using it wisely. And they got together and said, you know,
we got to find some way to protect wildlife habitat
and protect wildlife. And why don't we tax ourselves. There's
(07:56):
really one of the mounted to They said, we're going
to ask Congress to pass a law to tax us,
which is pretty rare in America or anywhere really, but
we're gonna we want the money. We need the money
to help wildlife and to help hunting. And yeah, I
know it's a vested self interest. Hunters want to protect
(08:19):
wildlife and grow wildlife populations, fair enough, but okay, so
we're going to take we take what three percent five
percent of the population, and the rest of it just
continues to grow, so everybody benefits out of that. So anyway,
that's your history of Bim and Robertson is that it
was actually hunters and gun owners who ask for this
tax and got it passed. Now we're taking a fresh
(08:42):
look at it. And one of the things that's complicated,
and I'll admit this, is that some states are now saying, oh, well, well,
we'll put our own excise tax on there. And it has
nothing to do with saving wildlife or hunting or habitat
or anything else. It's just punitive to make expense if
to buy and own guns. So that's the complication today.
(09:04):
There you go, Tay what if you're on hole right now.
Hold on, I'm going to get to you just a second.
I gotta take a quick break here. We've got to
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Speaker 4 (12:07):
All right, so the question on the floor is why
when you're asked by people, what's your response to the
question why do you carry a gun? And I get
different answers. It's a lot of thems. It kind of
revolves around the same thing. But I'm just curious how
you respond if you'll find out, particularly maybe even more
(12:28):
so for women. Although women face frankly, more risks, were
more types of attack, obviously, clearly you also have more challenges.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
On how to carry.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
So if you're a woman and you carry, I'd like
to know why, and then to what do you tell
your friends when they ask you about that. Our number
again is tom Talk Gun easiest that way. Let's see,
we got Jerry in Colorado Springs. Hellyer, you got a
cool idea.
Speaker 11 (13:01):
Here, go with it, Hi Tom. Yeah, I started my
girls off in shooting with a daisy Red Rider, just
shooting bebies in the backyard and with reactive targets like
your suggestion of putting uh Ritz crackers on a target.
I use balloons and that just enthralled them and they
(13:25):
were hooked after that. The other benefit to that is
you don't have to worry if you go to a
public range that you're trying to get your kids introduced
without being intimidated, and you've got people to the left
and right who are blazing away with magnums.
Speaker 4 (13:40):
Or yeah, yeah, start and I like the Red Rider
using baby guns, popping balloons or crackers. Or if you
go to Costco or Sam's Club, they got this huge
like gallon, big jug.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Of cheese balls, Jeeves puffs. Those make great targets. If
you're at a place where you can do that.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
You'll make a mess, but you hit those things and
they break up and then the next rain takes care
of them, or the birds pick them up and do that.
So then those are fun and they could use BB guns,
and you could actually use twenty two's for those as well.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
But the other thing is.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
If you're starting kids out with BB guns, they may
not need hearing protection, but they do need eye protection,
so you need to make sure they have shooting glasses
of some sort. Bbs will bounce off of stuff. I
know this from experience as a kid. You shoot them
into a tree or a board or something, they'll bounce
right back and eats right tween your eyes. So you
(14:38):
do need to be wearing glasses when you're shooting bbs.
And also it's just a good training to where you say, look,
we don't pull the trigger without wearing shooting glasses.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Period. It's just what we do. So there you go.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Oh line four, I believe it is Haiko in Carson,
State of Nevada.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Is it Haiko?
Speaker 12 (14:58):
Yes, sir Tom, long time they'll talk to you. Sorry,
I only have one ear to hear you. The thing
that I wanted to bring up, I'm going to redo
my concealed carry. The funny thing, I have a dilemma.
If you don't have a concealed carry, you're not allowed
to conceal your fire run. So I renewing my concealed
(15:22):
carry in a month. And the other thing I wanted
to bring up is what's wrong with Oregon? If Oregon
can not have you hunt anything, you know, whether it's fish, furs,
or I'm not gonna spread us the whole United States.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Yeah, Oregon's got a bill that are trying to get past,
which would essentially band hunting and fishing. We'll see what
happens with that. I don't think that's gonna I mean,
it's hard for me to imagine. But then again, sometimes
it's hard for me to imagine Oregon at all. You know,
of course, there's as you well know, there's the eastern
and the western part, and they're completely different. The eastern
part of Washington would really I mean, would organ rather
(16:03):
would really like to be part of Idaho.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
So there you go.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
But all your concealed carry permit, I think it's worthwhile
renewing a permit, even if you're not required to, even
if you had constitution carry where you are, just for
the reciprocity be able to carry in various states. And
I know you know that. Look, I appreciate the call.
Having said that, if you're going to travel using your
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permit and rely on reciprocity.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Please, please, please do the effort, make do the work.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
To find out what the rules are in need state,
because they change every time you go over a state line.
You are in a completely different legal environment, and you
may well know the rules where you are. You may
know the laws, and they may be so different as
to get you in trouble in another state. Case in point,
(17:01):
in some states, with your conceal carry permit, you can
go into a bar you're perfect illegal, but you can't
have a drink.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
In some states you could.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Have a drink, but you got to be under a
certain alcohol limit, maybe like a point oh four.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
In some states, however, you can't carry your.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
Gun into an establishment that serves liquor at all. And
here's what happens. Here's how the law actually works. If
you carry into that, then it is as though your
carry permit has vanished, it's evaporated. You don't have one anymore,
and now you're carrying a concealed gun without a permit,
(17:45):
and all the legal ramifications that come from that can
land upon you. You well, are you required in that
given state, in a traffic stop, for instance, to inform
the officer that you're carrying a gun. Some states there
is no duty to inform, and in some states there
(18:07):
is a duty to inform.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
You got to know the laws. It's not easy.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
It requires work on your part to know, because ignorance
of the law is no excuse. You know that drill.
So how do you know? I go to the website
Handgunlaw dot US. There are others out there, and I
don't say that this is better than the others. This
(18:36):
just is the one that I use. I have no
connection to them, don't know anybody there, but they don't
advertise on the show. I just use their service Handgun
Law singular handgun Law dot US, not dot com dot us.
And you put in the state where you have your permit,
and then you can see where your permit's honored. Then
you can click on those states that you'll be going
(18:56):
through and read through. You gotta scroll down, read through.
It'll say you know your permit is good here it's
not good. There is there a duty to inform?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yes or no.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
In some states, when people put up a no gun sign,
it has no weight in law at all. In another
state it absolutely has the weight and law and you
cannot go in there with your gun. It would be
good to know these things as you travel around and
you may get a little frustrated and you say, wow,
their laws are worse than mine. Yeah they are, but
at least you know about them fair enough. Okay, Line one. Now,
(19:28):
Biddy's with us out of Corpus CHRISTI, Texas. Hey, Betty,
you're on gun Talk. What's up.
Speaker 13 (19:34):
Good afternoon, Tom. I understand this. The folks over in
Oregon are about to do a crazy thing. They've got
this initiative to vote themselves out of hunting rights that's
going to the ballot. I can't believe it's happening. Have
you heard a whole lot about that?
Speaker 4 (19:54):
A little bit about it, And as we go through
the summer and head toward it, I'll talk more about it.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
As we had toward election time.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
At the outset, I would say, well, that's crazy and
nothing's going to happen with that, But then again, it's Oregon.
And I also know this I do know for sure
is if you get enough money behind anything, you can
convince the people of it. And if somebody wants to
go drop fifty one hundred million dollars onto this initiative,
and there are people who would do that to convince
the public to vote for this man. It's like they
(20:28):
can get you to buy soap or anything else with
enough advertising, and so it's a real danger. So I
will look into that, and I'll get some people in
here from Oregon and other places, and we'll get some
information as we go forward. But I appreciate you to
let me know about it and let me know you're
concerned with it. Let's see Joe and Farming at Flemington,
New Jersey. I got one minute for you, Joe, so
(20:48):
go for it.
Speaker 14 (20:49):
John Tom, have you seen the video about the guy
shooting into paper plates instead of a Geil block. No,
it's really cool. Paper plates are cheap, and these are
the heavy duty ones like you know, the wax ones, right,
And it said, you know, if you if you, if
you don't have a you can't most of us can't
get jail blocks. But he starts over with twenty two
and it goes through ninety seven paper plates, and then
(21:11):
he goes up to it's the nine millimeter you know,
jacket jackal, and it goes to three hundred, and then
he does a forty five and then only goes through
two fifty. And the neat thing is you can you
don't have to change your paper plates every time. You know,
first he uses the twenty two, and then he uses
the same group of paper plates, and he the nine millimeters,
so you can put three or four different rounds. Now again,
(21:33):
you don't see how large the wound channel is, but
it's a poor man substitute for jail block penetrating penetration.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
You know, I love it. The funny part is you
going to love this?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
All it is is doing what we used to do
thirty years ago when we would go get.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Old phone books yep, and use those.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
But now, of course there are no phone books, so
you got to go buy a phone plates exactly.
Speaker 14 (21:59):
The one little trick by the way he you know,
once he puts some you know, stacks him up. He
puts blue painters tape just to hold them together so
they'll all fall apart.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Oh good idea. I like that. I appreciate the call. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
In fact, we used to take newspaper or phone books
and we would soak them and get them wet and
shoot them, thinking that that was a better representation of
shooting a game animal. I don't know if it was,
but it sure was messy and heavy and hard.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
To do.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
But man, I collected and shot a lot of newspapers
and a lot of phone books in the old days.
Now can't get newspapers, can't get phone books. I never
thought of the paper plates, and you get those big
stacks of them at Costa and Sam's and places. I
love the idea I got. I'm going to go try
that idea. Thank you, sir. I'm Tom gresher Be right back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
(22:56):
I'm still talking about guns. That's what I do around here.
We talk about guns because it's gun talk. I'm Tom
glad that you could be with us. Let's say a
couple of things. Don't go anywhere, Jeff, I'm gonna get
you in just a second. A couple of things I
want to get into though. We were talking about the four
Rules of Gun Safety, as created by Colonel Jeff Cooper,
the founder of gun site. I just looked over on
the website and they do have the metal sign with
(23:19):
the four Rules of Gun Safety on them. A twenty
one nine is the price. I got nothing out of this, okay,
But if you go to gunsitestore dot com, it's g
U N S I T gunsitestore dot com and you
look for the gun site safety rule sign or the
four rules.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
You can find that and it's cool metal sign. You
can put it up where you want.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
All right, question i'd like to throw out here before
we get to the other conversation.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Are there stupid guns?
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Are there guns you looked at and you said, well
that that's just stupid? Or when they introduced it, you
had a what a stupid idea? That's just dumb. I've
had a number of those, almost every time I've been wrong.
The Taurust judge when it came out, I said, what
(24:08):
a dumb idea, that's just dumb. Revolver that shoots four
ten shotgun shells? What do you do with that thing? Well,
one thing you can have a lot of fun with
at the range. I've actually handed quail with them. It's
that was stupid but fun. And then with mixed loads
and all you can do some interesting things with it.
Wouldn't be my first choice, but okay, maybe it's viable.
(24:30):
Five point seven by twenty eight cartridge that's just stupid,
little bit tiny?
Speaker 2 (24:34):
What is that? What's that for? Uh?
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Well, maybe maybe I was wrong on that one too.
Actually I've been wrong on a lot of them. But
sometimes you look at something you go, that's that's stupid.
I wouldn't buy that if you ever had that reaction
looking at somebody's gun, or a new cartridge or a
new gun. Not you know, do we need a six
or five creed More that's just stupid. Well, we don't
(24:57):
need it. But it did do something at others didn't do.
Speaking of which, you want to how do I say this?
You want to be here next week? We've been shooting
something that's new and different and we're under a deep
nda on it and it'll be out. We can talk
about it on the show next week. Game Changers used
(25:22):
a lot, but this time it really is. So we'll
talk about that next week. That's as far as I
know on that one. Let's go grab Jeff out of
La Grand, Oregon. He's got an update for us. Jeff,
have you people lost your mind again?
Speaker 15 (25:36):
I may have, but it's not related to the petition.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, that's a different subject.
Speaker 15 (25:41):
Okay, Yeah, I was going to talk about new guns
I've gotten, but I think it's important we go into
this initiative. Petition twenty Yes please, it's amazing. One hundred
and seventeen thousand people signed the petition to get it
on the ballot in November. The thing not only does
(26:05):
it band hunting and fishing, bands, commercial production of beef, pork, chicken,
no more crabbing or clamming on the coast. And not
only that, but if you have a rodent problem in
your house with rats or mice, you have to live,
(26:26):
crap them and release them outside unharmed. And part of it,
it appears that killing of agricultural fields wouldn't be allowed
because of the potential harm to gophers and ground squirrels.
(26:46):
I mean, but what they're trying to portray it as
an anti animal abuse and I mean, nobody wants to
abuse animals, but that's how they're getting some of the
on there.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
Sure it sounds to me, Jeff, as you describe it,
that the public when they hear what this actually does,
and you're right, they will use this language like this
is an anti animal abuse and get people to sign it,
okay that yeah, we're all against that. And then but
when the voters find out about it, and I'm sure
(27:23):
there will be because of the industry is affected, there
will be some money put into getting the word out.
I gotta think people would say, you can't in the farming.
You can't in ranching, you can't in cattle and beat
production and hog production, you can't in commercial fishing. That's crazy.
(27:44):
I hold out hope. I mean, I know that sometimes
Oregon does really nutty stuff, but even this I think
is way too far. Are you getting any kind of
sense at this point of which way the wind's blowing.
Speaker 15 (27:58):
Yeah, it doesn't appear it will pass. But what it's
going to do is get the conversation on board out
and you know, chat rooms and stuff for people to
talk about and the you know, the anti hunters and
(28:19):
fishermen and the vegetarians. You know, they have an agenda
and they're just trying to chip away however they can.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
Yes, yeah, And a.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Lot of times they'll do this knowing that it's going
to fail, and then do it the next year knowing
it's going to fail. But the idea is in ten years,
maybe we can get something past. And that's the way
they work.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Now.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
There may be a good side benefit to this. If
it enrages enough people on the right, they may come
out and vote, which will get them voting in the midterms,
which is a good thing to motivate them to get
them out there.
Speaker 15 (28:51):
Possibly.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Yeah, well we'll see. But look, Jeff, I appreciate the
heads up on that. Keep us posted if you would.
Let's grab Ken in Texas online too. Hey Ken, you're
on gun Talk. What's cooking?
Speaker 16 (29:05):
Hey Tom? How's it going? Uh? There is a Nacotish
boy yourself? Oh okay, I used to have my uncle
used to read to me your dad's articles and stuff
as I was growing up. I'll be dark, yes, whenever
you're down on Red River. I was out on Sibney Lake.
They built part of Sibby Lake on family land. And
(29:28):
if you've ever eaten at the Mariner there in Nakatish,
that was family land and with a big peninsula back there.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
I've eaten at the marridor many times. You watch the
new tree on the shoreline as we're eating.
Speaker 16 (29:41):
There, you go, well, that was nolly land back he
put the lake in.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
All right, So let's start homes.
Speaker 16 (29:49):
Yes, can you still hear me?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
I got you? You go ahead, Okay.
Speaker 16 (29:54):
I have a thirty six caliber coat that was supposedly
Frank James. This gun, it's got nine notches on the
butt and uh, it's an octagon barrel. And I got
a serial number on it and it says addresses Colonel
Sam Cole, New York, US, America. And that's about all
(30:18):
I got on it. I have a serial number one
five zero one seven six, and that's all I've got.
It's an heirloom from my family that for my wife's family,
that he traded the gun for a bag of groceries
at a grocery store, and that's how it came into
their being. And we've got documentations and old newspaper articles
(30:42):
and that on it. But and then it was stolen.
Then they recovered it and gave it back to them.
History involved in all of it. But what would something
like that be worth. My brother in law can't have it,
he lives out of the country. And my wife that's
nothing she's going to shoot. So we would like to
(31:05):
get rid of it.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
Only one way to know what's going to be worth,
and that's to put it for sale in an auction.
Somebody like Rock Island auction dot Com.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
They would take it.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
They'd want as much providence as they can get background
on it. They'd want to be able to authenticate it,
and then you just kind of let the bidding go
and wherever it goes is where it goes, and the
market will determine what the value is.
Speaker 16 (31:30):
Okay, and you'd have any speculation with something like that.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Might be worth I'll give you fourteen dollars. The silence
was deafening on my offer. I may have to refigure that.
Speaker 16 (31:49):
You want something you can shoot, don't you?
Speaker 4 (31:54):
I have no idea. I don't do gun valuations. I
mean it could be thousand, it could be fifty thousand
or more. I just wouldn't have the slightest idea. And
that's where an outfit like this that can put it
before a lot of people and the collectors will know
about it and they'll jump on it.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
It's Rockisland Auction dot Com.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
There are some others out there, but this is just
the first one that popped into my head.
Speaker 16 (32:23):
Okay, and all right, what you have to just malate
to them is that what you would do.
Speaker 4 (32:28):
To it, Well, they'll have all the information, they'll tell
you how to do it, and basically, if you go
there and start the conversation, they'll want pictures and everything else,
and then they'll tell you how to ship it to
them and everything.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
So it's it.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
They make it really easy and so but you know,
they are going to want to be able to authenticate
it as best they can, and they'll work on that.
So but you trying to sell it yourself, I think
is a long shot trying to find because I mean,
you may say, boy, we got we got five thousand dollars,
We've got a good deal on it, and somebody says, yeah,
but you understand that was worth one hundred and fifty
(32:59):
thousand dollars. We just don't have any idea. So that's
what I would do. And look, I appreciate the call, sir,
And those kind of guns are hard to price. And
the more information you can get about it, the more
the better it's going to be. There's a collector's association
that you may want to tap into and they will
(33:21):
have information on how you can authenticate and maybe track
it down with sources. And the more information you have
the better. And you know, you may find that it, yeah,
it was in fact Frank James's, or you may find
that it wasn't at all. Either way, it's an interesting story.
It's fun to chase. So there you go, appreciate the call.
(33:42):
What's a gun worth is always an interesting question. Johnny
Dury has a really good sense of things like that,
and I didn't mention it can but Dewy'sguns dot Com
would not be a bad place to go either, because
Johnny and as I've mentioned before, I've done a lot
of work with Johnny before he was an advertiser here.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
I sold him a whole bunch of guns, and.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
He has for something like this, he has the list
of people who he knows he can call and say, hey,
I got this thing. He'll never make it to the internet,
it'll never make it in the store. It's like you
just got to know the right people to call. So
Ken I would also check with Johnny Doury over Drury'sguns
dot Com and get his thoughts on that, and he
(34:27):
may end up putting it up for auction as well.
But he also may have a co collector who says,
I have always heard of that gun. We knew it
was in existence, we just didn't know where it was.
And that sometimes happens, you know, It's like one of
those whisper things. Yeah there's a gun out there, and
we know it was made and we know it went
(34:47):
to so and so, but then we lost track of
it and the collectors go, yeah, it's like the white Whale,
the holy Grail that's out there somewhere, and then it
just pops up.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
It's like, wow, there.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
It is, so you never know, I don't know. It's
not my kind of thing. I'll like guns.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
I can shoot.
Speaker 7 (35:08):
I have.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Two. Yeah, I got two pretty guns. Literally.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Well, I mean a lot of my handguns are pretty,
but they're not like gorgeous. But I've got two nice
rifles with pretty wood on them. I had another one,
but it was two pretty literally, it was so gorgeous.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
It's like it would hurt your eyes. It's like, oh
my god.
Speaker 4 (35:27):
And I bought it because it was so pretty and
it was a four fifty eight wind mag stupid caliber
for me.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Didn't need it. Shot it like a half dozen times.
Speaker 4 (35:37):
And put it away, and we take it out and
look at it and did that for like three years,
and then finally said, okay, this is dumb. You got
a bunch of money wrapped up in this gun that
just lives in the safe in the dark. Let somebody
else enjoy it. So sold it. I only took about
a thousand dollars bath on that deal. I am one
shrewd gun trader. Let me tell you what I lose
(35:57):
a little bit on each one, but I make it
up in the I am.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
So there you go.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
It's just don't do as I do, do as I
say on this, go to somebody that knows what they're
doing about this, and I ignore good advice. I asked
Johnny during many years ago, I said, you know, if
I wanted to get a machine gun for investment, what
should I get? He said, We'll just get a good,
solid M sixteen. We can get you one at a
good price. And he caught it be a good price,
(36:22):
and it was expensive because they are expensive. And I
didn't do it because it was a lot of money.
And now it'd be worth at least twice. You know,
I could have made something on the order of fifteen
to twenty thousand dollars on that gun. But no, I'm
not going to listen to Johnny. I know better now.
I listen to Johnny on stuff like that. But I'm
(36:42):
also I'm not an investor in guns as a way
of like making money. I guess you could say I
invest in guns because I buy guns, but I buy
guns to go shoe guns and I buy well, we
were talking about silly guns. I buy silly guns sometimes.
I recently bought a three five and h just because
(37:07):
because it was just silly. I didn't know what am
I going to do with it? Haven't done anything with
it yet, So there you go. Let's see. I want
to drop down to line five and grab Milton out
of Bosier City.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Hey Milton, you're on gun talk. Let's talk dumb guns.
Speaker 6 (37:22):
Well, dumb guns. So I had a general practitioner doctor
who had a couple of guns he wanted to get
rid of. And I'm a shotgunner, and he had a
Belgian Browning Sweet sixteen, and I didn't know any much
of anything about it. I figured out how to take
it out. I took it out to the range, figured
out how to load it, shot the thing, immediately put
(37:43):
it down and never picked it up again. It's it's
the one where the whole barrel cycles instead of just
the action inside. And it scared me to death. And
I told somebody about do what.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
You can feel it when it goes off, The whole
thing is moving you on? What was that?
Speaker 6 (38:02):
Do you feel it? See it?
Speaker 2 (38:04):
You know?
Speaker 6 (38:04):
It's like, what was this? And then I got to
talking to some people in the old timers. I guess
if you had a round in it and you set
it down too hard on the butt and would go
off and shoot your thumber, your ear off or both.
So cheez, it's on the wall, never be taken down again.
Speaker 4 (38:22):
Well, there are those guns. You look at it and just go,
that's just dumb. I don't know what they were thinking
about that. It's you know, but there have always been
people who tinker with the design of guns as well,
and so there are some strange things out there. So
do you have a gun that you say, Okay, this
is my favorite if I had my go to on everything, Well, I.
Speaker 6 (38:39):
Shoot sporting plays, you know, I shoot sporting plays of
barretta DT eleven when I go Duck Hut and the
Barretta A four hundred. So I'm a Bretta guy.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
There you go. You can't go wrong with Barretta's good call.
Thank you, sir. I appreciate that. Yeah, if you said.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
Okay, I want a shotgun front, I want a really
good shotgun, Just get a Bretta. Whether it's an over
and Under or Semiauto, it's probably gonna work really well
for you. I remember a guy told me. He says, yeah,
Barrett of the over Runners there's a nice inexpensive shotgun.
So I was looking at one who's like three grand
or something. Then I found out that he was a
dealer and a repair guy for five was a good
(39:14):
inexpensive starter gun for him. It's all relative, isn't it,
you know? And the three grand is a lot of
money from me. But there you go, all right? Eight
six' Six Talk Gun we'll get you in. Here Or
Tom Talk. Gun it's the same, number just different ways
of dialing. Them I'm Tom. Gresham check me out ON
x WHERE i am at Gun. Talk he's going to
(39:42):
be part of the after. Show give me a call right.
Now we can get you in. THERE i got a
question for, you who are you going to rely? Upon
who is going to take care of? You and, furthermore
how do you know if you're any? Good, well the
whole who are you going to rely? Upon you know
Where i'm going with that is you can count yourself
(40:04):
and maybe a couple of. Others but your phone is
not a security. Device and nine to one one is
where you go to report a, crime but not to
stop a. Crime and you are your own first. Responder
nobody else is going to be, there the police don't
even have a legal duty to protect.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
You did you know that several.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Court cases have decided the police don't have a legal
duty to protect. You so you decided to carry a,
gun decided to get a, gun decide to carry a.
Gun but do you have any? Skills because there's a
lot to. It there really is a lot to. It
(40:49):
there's a lot of stuff you may not be aware.
Of and, please please please don't tell me, that OH
i was in the, MILITARY i got training, there OR
i was a. Cop, yeah, okay maybe as a, cop
maybe you know some, stuff although unfortunately the reality is
some of the most Nervous i've been in a shooting
(41:11):
situation at shooting range has been with.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Cops they're just a lot of times not very good
and not very.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Safe so just be. Aware so how would you know
if you're any? Good it's a good. Question don't you
THINK i know how you? Know go take a class
find out and yeah you could do you could do,
competition but that's. Different that's how well you can. Shoot
this is not about. That, yes you know how to,
(41:38):
shoot you need to know how to shoot reasonably, well
but you need to know how to draw. Well what
do you mean you just take it out of the. Holster,
yeah that's where we're going to. Start there's specific way
you need to draw your. Gun case in, point you're,
behind you're sitting at a. Table you need to draw
from the city. Position are you going to pull the
(42:01):
gun out of your horst and then clunk it into
the bottom side of the. Table do you know how
to draw it and bring it up over the? Table
the standard draw you do should work everywhere in that
situation as. Well do you know how to move and?
Shoot do you know how to move through a house
to clear your? House do you know that you can't
point your gun at everything you're looking at many cases
(42:24):
that would actually be a crime to go through a
house waving or go through a place waving your, gun
pointing it at everybody because you think they're a.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Threat, oh you didn't know.
Speaker 4 (42:32):
That that you don't know what you don't. Know so
my question to you, is how would you know if
you're any? Good in the process of discovering, that addressing that,
question you will actually get. Training you will find out
where you are on the, scale and you will start,
(42:54):
improving and chances are you going to want to get.
More we have classes over at Rains Ready. Studio those
which are very good and pretty, Affordable Range Radio studios dot.
Com there are a lot of other places you can.
Go choose Wise. Lee there are some idiots giving instruction out.
There try to vet them as best you. Can if
(43:17):
somebody SAYS i went to so and so and he was,
great my next question is, great where else have you?
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Been how do you know he was?
Speaker 4 (43:25):
Great if he's the only place you've ever, been because
they all appear wonderful the first time you, go simply as, That,
hey let's pick this thing. Up we can pick it
up on in the after. Show give me a call
at eight to six y Six Talk. Gun if you
haven't heard the after show for a, while tune.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
In it's.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
Great go to wherever you get your podcasts and you
can pick up Gun. Talk you can get this show
as well as all of our other podcasts we, do
and follow us over On. Facebook a million followers On
facebook on Gun talk where we post a lot of, cool,
short easy digestible videos there Gun talk On. Facebook hey
(44:00):
or you're a gun everywhere you? Go check your Six oh,
yeah go get some training.
Speaker 16 (44:10):
M.
Speaker 14 (44:11):
Hm
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