July 6, 2025 • 43 mins
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-- For a generation of revolver lovers gun writer John Taffin was The Source. His passing prompted Jason Cloesner, of Lipsey's, to recall the man, and also talk about a special commemorative revolver built around Taffin's ideal.
-- Tom gets a new carry holster, and it's a big fail. What he did wrong.
-- You have to choose only one rifle for everything. Bolt action, semi-auto, lever action, and what caliber?
Gun Talk 03.16.25 Hour 1
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-- For a generation of revolver lovers gun writer John Taffin was The Source. His passing prompted Jason Cloesner, of Lipsey's, to recall the man, and also talk about a special commemorative revolver built around Taffin's ideal.
-- Tom gets a new carry holster, and it's a big fail. What he did wrong.
-- You have to choose only one rifle for everything. Bolt action, semi-auto, lever action, and what caliber?
Gun Talk 03.16.25 Hour 1
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, this is Tom Gresham. We hope you enjoyed this
reliveit version. Well welcome. I'm glad that you could be
with us. I'm Tom Gresham. This is gun Talk where
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(00:38):
do want to send me an email, Tom at gun
talk dot com will work for you. Okay, you know
we have all these giants out there in terms of
people who are influential when it comes to firearms and
people who have made a difference. Saying we lost one
of our giants this week, the gun writer, but also
(00:58):
kind of the wheel gun. If you will John Taffan,
I thought who better to talk about this than our
friend Jason Klausner from Lipsy's. Because Jason, I'm glad you
could be here. You knew John. And you actually worked
with him on things, didn't you.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
John's been a good friend for almost twenty five years
now and gets a great man, so knowledgeable when it
comes to specially revolvers and lever guns. That was kind
of his real deal. But he was just an all
around gun guy as well.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
The thing about John's funny.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Several of us have talked that knew him for a
long time here in the last week, and nobody has
ever heard anybody ever say anything bad about John. He
was never controversial. He was always hey, here's the facts,
this is what I found, and here it is. And
it was always done in such a way that it
was respectful, even when he had an issue with something.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
And people just just loved the guy.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
And he was a great man when it comes to revolvers,
particularly a big boar revolvers. He wrote several books, and
I would just say, if you are interested in this
at all, if you can find his books, it's really worthwhile.
But he was just kind of a no nonsense let's
go find out what really worked, Let's do a lot
of testing. I mean, he was clearly a really good shooter.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
He was he you know, it's kind of he was
in that golden era too, when John Linvall was just
first getting started in the early eighties, and he was
kind of on the scene writing at that time, and
was kind of on the front edge of a lot
of the developments that really what we consider the big
boar stuff. Up until that time, you know, the forty
four magnum was considered the big bull revolver, and now
(02:37):
we look at its almost as a medium board compared
to all stuff that's happened now. And he was kind
of on the front end of that and got to
do a lot of experimentation and kind of figuring it
all out. And so we all of us big boar
revolver guys have have a lot to thank for him
for abusing his wrists.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
He ended up with carpal title, didn't he from shooting
a Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
He definitely in his later life was more into the
what he called his everyday loads of the cast bullets
at one thousand feet per second.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Right, right, John really was a shooter. I got a
good friend, a neighbor and hunt and buddy who was
in Boise and he used to shoot handgun silhouette and
he said Yeah, there's a guy named John who would
help me out and he showed me how to shoot.
Says didn't learned it was John Taffan. He said, well,
I didn't know who he was. It's John Taffan, and man,
he said, Man, that guy could shoot, but he would
(03:31):
just help anybody and just very pleasant and cordial and helpful.
I thought, that is that goes along with everything I've
ever heard about John Taffan.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Well, it's true. He really did impact a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
And when he kind of said something, people took at
his gospel. And because it was vetted, it wasn't theory,
it wasn't you know, let me whatever the hot internet
clickbait of the day was. It was it was out
on the range testing stuff and seeing what worked and
what didn't.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
And he was in a very COMPLI just handgun hunter
as well. You did a lot of.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Handgun hunting all over the world, and so he really
touched this stuff out and he knew it worked and
what didn't. And so when if you do go back
and look at his books or his old articles, you
can take that as being really vetted information.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah. I was thinking about that and thinking about John Limebaugh,
who of course we lost a year or two ago,
and talking to Lionball he was explaining, he says, yeah,
you know the people talking about the forty four magnum.
He says, when you move up to forty five caliber,
to the difference in frontal area of the bullet, that
substantially increased. And forty fives, I mean, he was his
whole thing was man forty five to where they are,
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and then of course he had even bigger ones than that.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's kind of just where he started,
you know, the five shot forty five colts, that's where
this his initial stuff. And then he went to the
five hundred lineball and that was kind of his big
splash onto the scene. And then and then the four
seventy five came out after that, And really the four
seventy five came out because it was hard to find
the three forty he ate Winchester brass that the five
(05:02):
hundred lineball used. So when John was trying to figure
it out, he said, well, look, forty five seventy brass
is very available, So that's what was the base case
for the four seventy five.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Got a lot of people know, maybe some people don't
know about Lipsy's you're a fire distributor, the middle man,
if you will, the wholesaler for gun stores and gun
dealers around. But also Lipsy says really known for coming
out with innovative guns, kind of up twist, a little
different twist on things, a little different approach, and you're
at the heart of that. You come up with all
(05:33):
these great guns, and we ought to mention that you
now just recently actually came out with a John Taffan gun.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
We did.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
One of the things that I really wanted to do
was come out with a John taff An edition gun
while he was still with us now a lot of times.
And then when Elmer Keith passed away and Skeeter Skelton
passed a lot of these guys, Jeff Quinn, there was
commemorative guns that were done post mortem. And while that
was a great commemorative for them, I always felt in
(06:00):
the back of my mind, man, it was tough that
they never got to see that gun hit the market.
And so, and we knew John's health was starting to falter,
and so I got with one of John's really good friends,
who was another gun writer, Brian Pierce, and we kind
of worked out the specs and everything, and kind of
I had visited John a couple of times in the
last several years and just kind of hung out with
(06:23):
them a few days at his house looking at cool guns,
and so we had a pretty good idea what he
kind of had in mind for what he thought, because
I kind of kind of proed, you know, brought in
him a little bit, Hey, if you were going to
do a gun, what would you wanted to be And
so we kind of fast tracked it once we know
John was health was in decline, and so what we
came up with was his perfect packing pistol, which is
(06:43):
what a term that John had coined. All through his
writing career, he was always in the quest for the
perfect packing pistol, and of course he.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Never found it.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
It was always the journey it was And what it
basically was was a four to five and a half
inch barrel single action or double action revolver, and it
could be anywhere from twenty two to a five hundred,
but it's something that you could carry and pack every day,
but be appropriate to handle that what it was ever
would come about in the area that you live. And
obviously forty fours and forty fives were kind of the
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heart of what his idea of the perfect packing pistol was.
So for this project, we wanted to do a configuration
that Ruger had never done, and that's a mid size
flat top forty five cold forty five ACP convertible in
a busily grip frame. So we've got four and five
eighths inch and five and a half inch barrel models
in both blue and stainless. John wouldn't have wanted anything
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really gaudied up with his face on or anything like that,
so we just did it really subtle. We did the
JT as a serial number of prefixes on the guns,
and each of the guns will come with a nice
card in the box. It kind of talks about John's
writing career and all of his accomplishments and about his
perfect Packing Pistol quest.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
So it's just a lot of information.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
To really memorialize John. There's also a card in the
box to where you can get a customer holster from
Branti Leather and they'll stamp the serial number on the
holster as the same sort remember you have on a gun.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
And it's got the image of John with an iconic
view where he's kind of holding a handgun out one
handed at like a forty five degree angolf from the camera.
We saw that in all of his articles that seemed like.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yeah, yeah, it's got that emboss on the back of it,
so it's really tastefully done. It's great John we got. Fortunately,
we were able to uh to present John serial number
one at his house several months ago and he was
just over the moon about it. He was, he was
really ecstatic. Bobby Tyler has provided the walnut grips for
(08:39):
these guns, so they're just a they they have a
real custom touch to him as far as the look
of how John liked to set his guns up. But
are you know available as an at an everyday price,
and there they've been.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
The demand form has been extremely extremely available.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Now yes, yeah, we had a first little batchet came
out and now we're got more coming.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Should have them out in April.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Okay, sounds good. I can't let you go as long
as we're talk about wheel guns, about talking about the
other cool thing you've been doing with wheel guns. At
shot Show you announced the return of the Smith and
Western Mountain gun, which people loved and really lamented the
loss of that, and it kind of fell out of
the of the lineup. Talk about the Mountain gun, what
(09:23):
it is and what you're doing now.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yeah, So the Mountain Guns, that one's really near and
dear to my heart because that was my first big
board double action revolver. So the Mountain guns, the short
story is they took a four inch in frame forty
four magnum and put a tapered barrel, very reminiscent of
the forty four special setups that they had back the
nineteen fifties, and so it takes a lot of that
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weight out of the front of the gun. It's a
round bud, so you've got less weight there. They do
a black pattered bevel on the front of the cylinder,
and so it's really reminiscent of the classic clean tapered
lines of the nineteen fifties. Are in frames, but in
the modern construction stainless steel, you know, the modern endurance packages,
(10:06):
and chambered in forty four magnum. Now, we wanted to
make that gun even a little bit nicer and added
a few features that the old mountain guns didn't have,
And the first thing was a gold bead of serrated
front site instead of just a black ram, but we
and we also added bear hug style grips from Tyler
(10:27):
Gunnworks in Nice, Walnut on these guns. So it's the
same grips that the style that Skeeter Skelton have kind
of designed for Decent back in the nineteen sixties. And
so it's a really cool, just classic looking package that
really melds the old and the new of Smith and Wesson.
But we couldn't gave that alone. We didn't just do
just a forty four magnum. We also added an L
(10:49):
Frame seven shot three fifty seven. Oh nice, So yeah,
same package, same features, but you got a really slim,
handy three fifty seven that has a balld tent lock up,
and so it's really the strongest L.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Frame three fifty seven snow Lesson's ever made. Cool thing
about it.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Both of these guns come in about three to four
ounces lighter than the comparable full lug heavy barrel version
of that gun, so really light, light, packable, They look great.
Biggest thing, the big surprise for everybody at shot show
is these do not have the internal key lock.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Okay, I was going to say, you got to get
you that because that turns on a lot of people
doesn't have that lock thing on it.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Now, yeah, no locks on these guns, so they really
they come back. They haven't made a non lock Smith
and Wesson in er L frame gun since I believe
it was two thousand, so around twenty five years. So that, yeah,
that was that was really a big highlight. So those
are just starting the ship. Now we'll start having some
decent quantities in April.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Okay, you know how it works. People say that is great,
I love what you just did, and then they turn
around and say, yeah, but what about And I thought
I'm going to do the what about are we gonna
see a six twenty five? We're going to see a
mountain gun in forty five?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Colt.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I'll just say this, Tom, we have thought of all
the options.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I didn't think I could get you to come in.
But you know, I know people are already asking.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
You there's not an appropriate cartridge. We have not taken
the consideration.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Okay, we'll put it that way. All right.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Well, well, actually we might even see a couple of
mountain gun chamberings that haven't been done in the past.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
So hey, oh teasing, okay, very good? All right, Well, Jason,
I appreciate your time appreciate you being able to talk
a little bit about John Taffan. I would encourage people
if they can find copies of his book. Some of
them are a little hard to find, but they're very worthwhile.
You will get an education on wheel guns and big
boar guns, for.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Sure, absolutely, and you can take that information and know
that it is well vetted and it's going to do
well for you.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
There you go, hey, Jason, appreciate it. I will see
you before too long when I get down Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yes, sir, looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
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Well, you may have recognized that voice. That's Steve Inman.
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on here just a bit. We'll also talk a little
bit about one of the things of a lot of
people getting rid of their guns, are starting to sell guns,
and the question is how do you go about that?
So we're gonna be talking about some safe ways to
go about that after we go along, and obviously you
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and we can talk about pretty much anything. I'm We're
open lines and I'm open to subjects and topics right now.
I was looking online and somebody was saying, you know,
if you had to have your do everything rifle, it
(16:42):
takes care of everything rifle, what would it be, you know,
lever action, POMP, volt action, Semiato, what caliber cartridge? And
the discussion is really interesting. It's like, okay, well, okay,
I want it for hunting, and I want it for
(17:02):
target shooting, and I want it for self defense, and
I wanted it for in case. The stuff is the
fan and my bug out gun. I would add one
I did not see in there. I want one that
I can carry across all states. Oh, that's going to
make it interesting. Huh, Well, that may take out your
(17:23):
semiauto in terms of what you can have in all states.
Lever action probably fine, yep. I don't know if a
state where you'd have a problem with that. Bolt action,
of course is fine. Caliber I don't know. I mean
I can make a case for two two, three or
five five six. I could also make a case for
the three h eight just a good bit more power
(17:47):
with that short barrel, long barrel scope, iron sights, red dot,
I don't know. Also, you know, here's one if you're
familiar with Colonel Jeff Cooper, who found a gun sight
forty plus years ago. He came up with the concept
(18:08):
of the Scout rifle, a short, somewhat short barrel three
to eight detactabil magazine with a scope mounted out further
out on the barrelediate intermediate I relief scope. He never
(18:28):
quite got it exactly what he wanted because he had
some particular criteria on it as far as weight and
other things, and a number of different companies have made
Scout rifles through the years stire. I guess maybe being
one of the first, and I think Cooper worked with
Styre on that. Ruger has a scout rifle version in
(18:48):
their Model eighty eight Hawkeye. I think Savage has done
a scout rifle. Trying to think who else is several
different companies have. It's just an interesting idea of having
more ammunition because you've got detachable magazines and fairly short,
easy to handle, and with a bolt action, of course,
(19:08):
you have generally speaking, pretty good accuracy and you get
the power you might get if you went with a
three to zero eight. I don't know, just kind of
one of those what if it's a game we play,
isn't it If you could have only one gun, Yeah fine, okay,
I don't want to have only one gun, but we'll
play the game. If you had to have a bug
out gun, Yeah fine, okay, we'll play that guy, and
(19:30):
in this case, one rifle to take care of everything.
I don't know the lever action might I like lever actions,
but I'm wondering if the cartridge choice would be restrictive
in terms of if you had to shoot a little
bit longer ranges and maybe a bolt action comes in
handy there. I don't know what do you think? You
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got any thoughts on that you can obviously give me
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He's in Prianvale, Oregon. They d works on your mind, sir.
Speaker 9 (20:02):
You know my dilemma. So you know, I've sold all
my guns. I don't you should use much, but I've
narrowed it down to four guns I just really love, okay,
and I'm trying to figure out do I just hunt
with my favorite guns or do I mix it up
and give everybody a shot? So I you know, I
(20:25):
have an l R ten three eight, which I want
to either go hog hunting or burr hunting with it.
I have a Redminton seven hundred and thirty odd six
I haven't really shot much. It's always my backup gun.
I take two guns when I go hunting. I got
a Remington seven hundred six point five six that I
love to hunt deer with an L But I think
(20:47):
my my overall favorite is a Cooper from Montana to
eighty Acre. That's the gun I really like. And it's
kind of expensive gun. And I've got a mounted with
you knowlescope, so it's it's nice scope. So okay, here,
maybe you use a different caliber for different kinds of game.
(21:10):
I don't know what are your thoughts on.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Have you ever seen a golfer go out with one club?
Speaker 9 (21:18):
No?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
No, Because we have different clubs for different shots. We
have different rifles, different guns for different things. Think of
them as your children. You can't play favorites, although you
always do have maybe a favorite, but in this case
the two eighty AI you cannot do better than that,
and it will take care of everything. The problem is
you don't want it to take care of everything because
you want to try some other things. It's a reason
(21:41):
why I look back in the last six mule deer
I shot. We're shot with six different rifles and six
different calibers. Yes, I could have killed them all with
a THREEHO eight and that works fine, but that's not
what I wanted to do. I like it just like you.
I like my different guns. I want to try different ones.
I want to do something different. Probably each year you're
(22:02):
on the right track. The only problem is you're down
to four partner. That's not nearly enough. We call those
rookie numbers here. You got up that game a little bit.
Those that you got rid of you need to start
replacing those because there's lots of cool guns and calibers
out there that you need to be getting into. I'll
be right back. All right, we're back at you a
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few minutes. I want to tell you I had a
partial fail on a new piece of gear, a holster.
I just got and tried it out yesterday. It did
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been up to?
Speaker 10 (24:13):
Oh? Well, first, I was going to tell you my
pick for the carry it Everywhere rifle.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Oh good?
Speaker 10 (24:23):
Is a Browning lever action in three fifty eight Winchester.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Years ago.
Speaker 10 (24:31):
Do you still that everything? No, I don't. I tell
you everything. I ever shot with it fell straight down,
but it developed an extractor problem and I live in
the land of thousand pounds bears and I could not
have that.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
No, it's interesting, right. People don't know about the Browning VLR.
It's a lever action rifle, but it was made to
be able to take higher pressure cartridges, so you could
shoot three or eight and three fifty eight and other
cartridges in it. And it's handy and short and light
like lever action, but it has the power of modern cartridges.
(25:07):
So I love that idea of the three pin fifty
eight in that you know, you, did you ever think
about maybe finding another one?
Speaker 10 (25:14):
I I've thought about it.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I have.
Speaker 10 (25:18):
I bought a three O eight thinking about getting it rebarreled,
but I haven't done it yet because of it's an
original series and the magazine availability is a killer.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yes, and that's one of the things about some of
these other bolt action variations. Now you can get bolt
actions and five five six that take AR mags or
in three h eight that take AI pattern mags, so
magazines are very available for some of those.
Speaker 10 (25:50):
Yeah. But anyways, I like the lever action, and I
had Wilson fire sights on it, the guide receiver, and
the nice the fiber optic front site. It was a
nice little gun.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Okay, Paul that I'm seeing a note here It says
that you have a confession to make about something about
not following my advice. What are we talking about here?
Speaker 10 (26:16):
I have resisted practicing shooting with my left hand. And
the other night I was going down the steps off
of my back deck in the dark, and I thought
I was on the bottom step, and I was not,
and I went down, you know, about twenty inches instead
of none and broke my right thumb. So now I
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wish I knew how to shoot with my left hand.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Well, here's the good news. Dry firing works really well
at getting you very comfortable, you know, working things with
your left hand with all the controls and all I'll
give you if you would like, you can give you
a couple of tips on that, okay. One is that
if you're shooting semi auto particularly, the one thing that
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people screw up on when shooting left handed or weekend
whichever is not their primary hand, shooting one handed is
not giving the gun enough resistance so that the grip
doesn't move, the frame doesn't move, and the slide just moves.
So what you want to do is lean into it,
maybe even blade your body a little bit, turn a
little bit to the right so you're leaning into your
left hand, and shove it out there and lean into
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it like you're leaning against a poster or something, so
that the gun has some resistance to work against the
other thing you're going to find is you're going to
shoot much better than you think you are when you
start shooting one handed left handed, because you're going to
really focus and pay attention to all the little details
that we should be thinking about anyway. And I'll bet
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you there's a really good chance shooting one handed left
handed you end up shooting smaller groups than you've been
shooting two handed. Take that, well, try it out. Let
us know how it works. Okay, okay, And I wish
you were a speed of recovery on that broken thumb. Man.
(28:12):
That sounds painful, man, I tell you, But yeah, you
know you can try this. Oh the other thing that
we all need to be doing at beforehead of the
break here, here's a thought. If you want to shoot
better with your handguns, if you have stronger grip in
your hands, you will shoot better. You'll be able to
control recoil better. Get an exercise ball or those grip things,
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grip master things, and just put it by your easy chair,
and when you're sitting at home, just work on your
grip strength left hand, right hand. After a while, you'll
be able to grip your gun stronger and you'll be
able to shoot better. Hey, we'll be right back.
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Speaker 2 (31:12):
Back with you here eight six to six Talk gun
or Tom Talk Gun. Let's see here. We got Jeffrey
calling in from Longmont, Colorad. Hey Jeffrey, what are you
looking for here?
Speaker 13 (31:22):
PADDI Tom, I am looking for a recommendation on a
first AR. So just a little bit of background. I've
been shooting since twenty twenty. I got my CCW I
carry everywhere and I train, uh not plink, but actually
trained about two three hours a month. So I'm semi
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serious about this, I guess compared to some and I'm
looking to get an ar my first one. I do
shoot left handed, and I had kind of narrowed it
down to the sig M four hundred pro one of
the sig treadlines, or then a friend of mine it
turned me on to the LWRCIDI, which is a few
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hundred bucks more. But I hear really good things about it.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Well, you got good you got good choices across the board.
I mean you named three really good rifles there. So
I mean you know that old thing of you can't
go wrong here, It is true, you can't go wrong.
But also people will say there's no right decision. Well
that's not correct. There is a right decision. Yeah, and
I'm going to tell you what the right decision is. Okay, alrighty,
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it's the one you want, and if it's the one
that costs more, it's still the right decision. Because here's
my question for you, how long do you expect this
gun to last?
Speaker 13 (32:47):
I hope to give it to my son when he's
my age.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Okay, So admortize three hundred dollars over the next twenty
thirty forty years and you won't be able to find it.
But each time you pick up the one you really want,
you're going to say, man, I'm really glad I got that.
And it may turn out you prefer the sick It's fine,
it doesn't really matter. Just pick the one that you say,
I really like that. Now, I am going to have
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a suggestion for you, okay, because you shoot left handed,
First of all, don't worry about ejection port and going
out to the right. If you look at your site,
you shouldn't be seeing empties going out the side of
the gun. But I would recommend that you put an
AMBI safety on it. And that's a really, really easy
modification to make. And that's really the only modification I
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would make on shooting an ar left handed.
Speaker 13 (33:36):
Okay, I think a couple of those come with left
hand with anti shafety.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Okay, Well, you know what the other thing I would
do is put an amb charging handle on it. Inexpensive,
easy to do. But if you put an amb charging
handle on it and an AMBI safety, you're good to go.
And just I don't know if you know that I
shoot long guns left handed, so I shoot rs from
the left side, and so that's what I have found
is all I needed. I mean, I can shoot without
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an AMBI safety. If you are shooting one that doesn't
have an AMBI safety, you're going to want to modify
your grip a little bit with your left hand on
that pistol grip and keep your thumb on the left
side of the grip, don't wrap it around, and just
because you've got plenty of strengthen your hand anyway and
just work your thumb on that safety. It's on the
left side of the rifle. But if you get an
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AMBI safety, now you can get a good proper grip
on it and work with safety on that side on
the right side as well.
Speaker 13 (34:29):
Yes, sir, okay, And then just a quick follow up,
I think you have been fairly consistent in saying that
an AR fifty is a very good home defense weapon
over a pistol. Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
It is a good option. Either one will work fine,
but there's nothing wrong with an AR as a home
defense gun. You probably want to pay a little bit
more attention to m selection. And for me, I'm I
would you frangible not frangible like using it against steel,
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but bullets more like Varmitt bullets. If you hell bullets
that expand or even blow apart in that way, you're
not going to get a lot of penetration with them
at any rate, no matter what you're doing. And it's
very effective. I mean, look, an AR is a rifle.
It shoots with more power than a pistol. More power
is better at stopping an attacker. But there are issues involved.
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And you know, since you train, I would say, go
take a good class on going through a house with
an AR because there are techniques there. Here's a question
for you. It's like what people say, well, what's the difference?
I say, okay, are you going to go muscle up
or muscle down through the house? And they go, what's
the difference?
Speaker 13 (35:47):
I can drop to my knee and still get a shot.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yes, if the barrel is pointed down, if they grab
the barrel, you could drop to your knee and you
can shoot them in the kneecap. And once you've shot
them in the kneecap, they lose all interested holding on
to your gun. Trust me. So yes, if you got
the barrel up when you go through a doorway, if
they grab the barrel. You cannot force that barrel down
where you could point it at them. So yes, that's
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the kind of training stuff we're talking about here. But
you're gonna have fun. I mean, shoot it a bunch,
get you a good ar You're already on the right track.
All of the ones you named are quality guns, and
like I said, just modified it slightly and it'll be
a really good gun to shoot from either side, left
or right because all you're doing is making it basically envy.
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You're gonna have a good good time. And look, give
me a favorite after you get it, and you shot
a little bit. Call us back with a ranger port
because everybody else wants to know what you ended up with.
Speaker 10 (36:39):
Okay, happy to do so it sounds good.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I appreciate that. Thank you very much. Let's grab Brandt
and Billings Montana on four. Hey, grant what you got?
Speaker 10 (36:51):
Hey?
Speaker 14 (36:51):
I got My wife doesn't know it, but she bought
me a holester for Christmas, and I had a hundred
percent Kaidex holster before and it was good everything. I
liked everything about it until I was in the truck
for a long period of time and it would kind
of change angles and wiggle around and interfere with the
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seatbelt and everything.
Speaker 13 (37:15):
Uh.
Speaker 14 (37:16):
And so I got a crossbreed super tuck and I
love everything about it. Before when you were talking about,
you know, be careful when you use a public restroom
because if you drop your trousers and your gun goes
skidding three stars down, that could be a problem. And
with a with one hundred percent KAIDEKX one, it was
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a weed to people holster with a weed to people holster,
it held it really tight. That was never a problem.
So I always wondered, what were you talking about. I
don't know, that's not a problem. But with the with
the leather and Kaidex combo, it could be a problem.
So I just have to be a little more careful.
But it does it doesn't move around at all. Uh,
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stays right where I put it.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
And comfortable about it.
Speaker 14 (38:04):
Yeah, very comfortable, and it doesn't interfere with a seatbelt
and just yeah, I'm tickled.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Think well terrific, I mean, and you have basically with
your explanation, people will understand. Now what we're always talking
about is that one holster isn't going to do it
for you. You have to try different ones. If you get
really lucky and you go, yeah, this is a great holster.
I love it and I can wear it forever. Then
you are the unicorn. You figured it out. But most
of us end up having to try different holsters, and
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sometimes we have to have different holsters for different ways
that we dress. Or sometimes like yesterday, I get a
brand new holster. I'm all excited about it. I get
my gun and I put it in it and I
start wearing it, and I went, oh, that's a problem.
I'll tell you what. Let me come back. Let me
tell you what happened. Could have been embarrassing, could have
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been worse than that. I'll give you my range of port.
My holster failed. When me come back. All right, gather around, kids,
it's confession time. Because I did something I'm not supposed
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to do. I did something that I tell people not
to do. I went out and carried the rig that
I hadn't tested before. I got in a new holster
this week. I'm not going to tell you the name
because it's not fair to them. Because this is on me.
Kaiex Holster Kaidex mag pouches for a nineteen eleven Commander
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size pistol, and I wanted to have a new pistol,
a new holster rather for my GT twenty five. That
was the limited edition pistol we did with Ruger out
of their custom shop in ten milimeter. I thought well
that'd be cool, and so I had a run into
town and I thought, well, I'll put on the new
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holster and I'll take the ten milmeter in. I'll carry
that into town. You're just gonna be gone for an hour,
so no big deal. So tried the whole the pistols
shoved in the holster. Yeh, clicked right in their kaiaks.
It's really nice. Liked it. Put on the holster, put
on the mag pouch, feels good, feels comfortable. All right,
it's going to work and spread out the weight of
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the gun very nicely. So I go into town and
then I'm I need to swap ammo out. So I
get to where I'm going and it's time to pull
the pistol out of the holster. I gave myself a wedgie.
I pulled up so hard on this pistol and the
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holster comes up, the belt comes up, the pants come up.
It's like, holy cow, I don't know if I can
get this gun out of the holster. I mean, eventually
I did, and I've got to work on I got
to do so adjustments on tensioning and all the rest
of it. But the point is I didn't test it
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before I carried it. That's a mistake. It's a rookie mistake,
and I shouldn't have done that. But it also points
out that the rest of you should also do as
I say, not as I do. If you got a
new rig, new belt, new holster, new magpows knew anything,
you want to try it out. You want to test it,
maybe at the range at least, lots of dry fire,
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lots of dry practice, pulling your gun out of the holster,
putting it back in all of that. I think I'm
going to like this holster eventually. It's just that right
now it's not adjusted correctly. But it was an eye opener.
It's like what I yanked up on that thing and
everything came up holster belt pants was like I thought
I was gonna pick myself up off the ground yanking
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up on this pistol. So there you go, just just
random thoughts for you. Why ten millimeter? Well, why not
the ten milimeters rait cartridge? We've done three gun talk
guns so far, all of them in ten elevator. The
GT ten was a Kimber nineteen eleven. The GT twenty
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was a sig P two twenty, the first ten milimeters
version there of that pistol that they came out with.
And then of course the g T twenty five was
the Ruger nineteen eleven in a commander size. Really a shooter,
really good trigger, really good sites. It just really works well.
We are working on new stuff. We'll see what comes.
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There will be a GT thirty at some point working
on that. It's in the works, so we'll keep you
posting on that as well. So the question I have
for you is, right now, have you changed your thinking?
I'm going to say that you need to change your
thinking in terms of what can happen, what may happen,
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what should happen. Getting yourself out of that condition white
where you're not paying attention to everything around you, and
at least working where you're always in condition yellow, where
you're at least aware and noticing things around you and
making changes. I mean people, I hear people say, well,
you know, when I get in the car, I take
the gun off out of the holster, I put it
in the center call console. The center console is not
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a holster. If you have to bail out of your
car in a hurry, the gun's still in the car
or the truck. You need it on you. If it's
not on you, it's not available. You're not thinking about
the what ifs here? What if I need to do this?
What if I need to do that. If it's on you,
you have it with you. If it's in your car,
you're now it's using your car as a holster. And
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that's a really, really bad idea. Give me a call.
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
Hey, this is Tom Gresham. We hope you enjoyed this
reliveit version. Well welcome. I'm glad that you could be
with us. I'm Tom Gresham. This is gun Talk where
we talk about well topics with guns at a second
amendment and cool gear and those kinds of things. I mean,
if you want to be part of this, just give
me a call eight six six Talk Gun easier still
to remember it as Tom Talk Gun and if you
(00:38):
do want to send me an email, Tom at gun
talk dot com will work for you. Okay, you know
we have all these giants out there in terms of
people who are influential when it comes to firearms and
people who have made a difference. Saying we lost one
of our giants this week, the gun writer, but also
(00:58):
kind of the wheel gun. If you will John Taffan,
I thought who better to talk about this than our
friend Jason Klausner from Lipsy's. Because Jason, I'm glad you
could be here. You knew John. And you actually worked
with him on things, didn't you.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, we did.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
John's been a good friend for almost twenty five years
now and gets a great man, so knowledgeable when it
comes to specially revolvers and lever guns. That was kind
of his real deal. But he was just an all
around gun guy as well.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
The thing about John's funny.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Several of us have talked that knew him for a
long time here in the last week, and nobody has
ever heard anybody ever say anything bad about John. He
was never controversial. He was always hey, here's the facts,
this is what I found, and here it is. And
it was always done in such a way that it
was respectful, even when he had an issue with something.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
And people just just loved the guy.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
And he was a great man when it comes to revolvers,
particularly a big boar revolvers. He wrote several books, and
I would just say, if you are interested in this
at all, if you can find his books, it's really worthwhile.
But he was just kind of a no nonsense let's
go find out what really worked, Let's do a lot
of testing. I mean, he was clearly a really good shooter.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
He was he you know, it's kind of he was
in that golden era too, when John Linvall was just
first getting started in the early eighties, and he was
kind of on the scene writing at that time, and
was kind of on the front edge of a lot
of the developments that really what we consider the big
boar stuff. Up until that time, you know, the forty
four magnum was considered the big bull revolver, and now
(02:37):
we look at its almost as a medium board compared
to all stuff that's happened now. And he was kind
of on the front end of that and got to
do a lot of experimentation and kind of figuring it
all out. And so we all of us big boar
revolver guys have have a lot to thank for him
for abusing his wrists.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
He ended up with carpal title, didn't he from shooting
a Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
He definitely in his later life was more into the
what he called his everyday loads of the cast bullets
at one thousand feet per second.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Right, right, John really was a shooter. I got a
good friend, a neighbor and hunt and buddy who was
in Boise and he used to shoot handgun silhouette and
he said Yeah, there's a guy named John who would
help me out and he showed me how to shoot.
Says didn't learned it was John Taffan. He said, well,
I didn't know who he was. It's John Taffan, and man,
he said, Man, that guy could shoot, but he would
(03:31):
just help anybody and just very pleasant and cordial and helpful.
I thought, that is that goes along with everything I've
ever heard about John Taffan.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Well, it's true. He really did impact a lot of people.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
And when he kind of said something, people took at
his gospel. And because it was vetted, it wasn't theory,
it wasn't you know, let me whatever the hot internet
clickbait of the day was. It was it was out
on the range testing stuff and seeing what worked and
what didn't.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
And he was in a very COMPLI just handgun hunter
as well. You did a lot of.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Handgun hunting all over the world, and so he really
touched this stuff out and he knew it worked and
what didn't. And so when if you do go back
and look at his books or his old articles, you
can take that as being really vetted information.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah. I was thinking about that and thinking about John Limebaugh,
who of course we lost a year or two ago,
and talking to Lionball he was explaining, he says, yeah,
you know the people talking about the forty four magnum.
He says, when you move up to forty five caliber,
to the difference in frontal area of the bullet, that
substantially increased. And forty fives, I mean, he was his
whole thing was man forty five to where they are,
(04:37):
and then of course he had even bigger ones than that.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's kind of just where he started,
you know, the five shot forty five colts, that's where
this his initial stuff. And then he went to the
five hundred lineball and that was kind of his big
splash onto the scene. And then and then the four
seventy five came out after that, And really the four
seventy five came out because it was hard to find
the three forty he ate Winchester brass that the five
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hundred lineball used. So when John was trying to figure
it out, he said, well, look, forty five seventy brass
is very available, So that's what was the base case
for the four seventy five.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Got a lot of people know, maybe some people don't
know about Lipsy's you're a fire distributor, the middle man,
if you will, the wholesaler for gun stores and gun
dealers around. But also Lipsy says really known for coming
out with innovative guns, kind of up twist, a little
different twist on things, a little different approach, and you're
at the heart of that. You come up with all
(05:33):
these great guns, and we ought to mention that you
now just recently actually came out with a John Taffan gun.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
We did.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
One of the things that I really wanted to do
was come out with a John taff An edition gun
while he was still with us now a lot of times.
And then when Elmer Keith passed away and Skeeter Skelton
passed a lot of these guys, Jeff Quinn, there was
commemorative guns that were done post mortem. And while that
was a great commemorative for them, I always felt in
(06:00):
the back of my mind, man, it was tough that
they never got to see that gun hit the market.
And so, and we knew John's health was starting to falter,
and so I got with one of John's really good friends,
who was another gun writer, Brian Pierce, and we kind
of worked out the specs and everything, and kind of
I had visited John a couple of times in the
last several years and just kind of hung out with
(06:23):
them a few days at his house looking at cool guns,
and so we had a pretty good idea what he
kind of had in mind for what he thought, because
I kind of kind of proed, you know, brought in
him a little bit, Hey, if you were going to
do a gun, what would you wanted to be And
so we kind of fast tracked it once we know
John was health was in decline, and so what we
came up with was his perfect packing pistol, which is
(06:43):
what a term that John had coined. All through his
writing career, he was always in the quest for the
perfect packing pistol, and of course he.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
Never found it.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
It was always the journey it was And what it
basically was was a four to five and a half
inch barrel single action or double action revolver, and it
could be anywhere from twenty two to a five hundred,
but it's something that you could carry and pack every day,
but be appropriate to handle that what it was ever
would come about in the area that you live. And
obviously forty fours and forty fives were kind of the
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heart of what his idea of the perfect packing pistol was.
So for this project, we wanted to do a configuration
that Ruger had never done, and that's a mid size
flat top forty five cold forty five ACP convertible in
a busily grip frame. So we've got four and five
eighths inch and five and a half inch barrel models
in both blue and stainless. John wouldn't have wanted anything
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really gaudied up with his face on or anything like that,
so we just did it really subtle. We did the
JT as a serial number of prefixes on the guns,
and each of the guns will come with a nice
card in the box. It kind of talks about John's
writing career and all of his accomplishments and about his
perfect Packing Pistol quest.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
So it's just a lot of information.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
To really memorialize John. There's also a card in the
box to where you can get a customer holster from
Branti Leather and they'll stamp the serial number on the
holster as the same sort remember you have on a gun.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
And it's got the image of John with an iconic
view where he's kind of holding a handgun out one
handed at like a forty five degree angolf from the camera.
We saw that in all of his articles that seemed like.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
Yeah, yeah, it's got that emboss on the back of it,
so it's really tastefully done. It's great John we got. Fortunately,
we were able to uh to present John serial number
one at his house several months ago and he was
just over the moon about it. He was, he was
really ecstatic. Bobby Tyler has provided the walnut grips for
(08:39):
these guns, so they're just a they they have a
real custom touch to him as far as the look
of how John liked to set his guns up. But
are you know available as an at an everyday price,
and there they've been.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
The demand form has been extremely extremely available.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Now yes, yeah, we had a first little batchet came
out and now we're got more coming.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Should have them out in April.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Okay, sounds good. I can't let you go as long
as we're talk about wheel guns, about talking about the
other cool thing you've been doing with wheel guns. At
shot Show you announced the return of the Smith and
Western Mountain gun, which people loved and really lamented the
loss of that, and it kind of fell out of
the of the lineup. Talk about the Mountain gun, what
(09:23):
it is and what you're doing now.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Yeah, So the Mountain Guns, that one's really near and
dear to my heart because that was my first big
board double action revolver. So the Mountain guns, the short
story is they took a four inch in frame forty
four magnum and put a tapered barrel, very reminiscent of
the forty four special setups that they had back the
nineteen fifties, and so it takes a lot of that
(09:46):
weight out of the front of the gun. It's a
round bud, so you've got less weight there. They do
a black pattered bevel on the front of the cylinder,
and so it's really reminiscent of the classic clean tapered
lines of the nineteen fifties. Are in frames, but in
the modern construction stainless steel, you know, the modern endurance packages,
(10:06):
and chambered in forty four magnum. Now, we wanted to
make that gun even a little bit nicer and added
a few features that the old mountain guns didn't have,
And the first thing was a gold bead of serrated
front site instead of just a black ram, but we
and we also added bear hug style grips from Tyler
(10:27):
Gunnworks in Nice, Walnut on these guns. So it's the
same grips that the style that Skeeter Skelton have kind
of designed for Decent back in the nineteen sixties. And
so it's a really cool, just classic looking package that
really melds the old and the new of Smith and Wesson.
But we couldn't gave that alone. We didn't just do
just a forty four magnum. We also added an L
(10:49):
Frame seven shot three fifty seven. Oh nice, So yeah,
same package, same features, but you got a really slim,
handy three fifty seven that has a balld tent lock up,
and so it's really the strongest L.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Frame three fifty seven snow Lesson's ever made. Cool thing
about it.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Both of these guns come in about three to four
ounces lighter than the comparable full lug heavy barrel version
of that gun, so really light, light, packable, They look great.
Biggest thing, the big surprise for everybody at shot show
is these do not have the internal key lock.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Okay, I was going to say, you got to get
you that because that turns on a lot of people
doesn't have that lock thing on it.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
Now, yeah, no locks on these guns, so they really
they come back. They haven't made a non lock Smith
and Wesson in er L frame gun since I believe
it was two thousand, so around twenty five years. So that, yeah,
that was that was really a big highlight. So those
are just starting the ship. Now we'll start having some
decent quantities in April.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Okay, you know how it works. People say that is great,
I love what you just did, and then they turn
around and say, yeah, but what about And I thought
I'm going to do the what about are we gonna
see a six twenty five? We're going to see a
mountain gun in forty five?
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Colt.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I'll just say this, Tom, we have thought of all
the options.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
I didn't think I could get you to come in.
But you know, I know people are already asking.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
You there's not an appropriate cartridge. We have not taken
the consideration.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Okay, we'll put it that way. All right.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
Well, well, actually we might even see a couple of
mountain gun chamberings that haven't been done in the past.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
So hey, oh teasing, okay, very good? All right, Well, Jason,
I appreciate your time appreciate you being able to talk
a little bit about John Taffan. I would encourage people
if they can find copies of his book. Some of
them are a little hard to find, but they're very worthwhile.
You will get an education on wheel guns and big
boar guns, for.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
Sure, absolutely, and you can take that information and know
that it is well vetted and it's going to do
well for you.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
There you go, hey, Jason, appreciate it. I will see
you before too long when I get down Louisiana.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Yes, sir, looking forward to it.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Tom, All right, take care goud talk will be right back.
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Well, you may have recognized that voice. That's Steve Inman.
He's the guy that does the wacky commentaries on viral videos,
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not seen his video, you may want to jump on
and take a look at those right now. Steve Inman,
I in m A N what do he called? Oh
nonsensual commentary so they could call him, And they're just
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you know, fifteen to thirty seconds. And the problem is
now you get in the rabbit hole and you start
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there's no one. They're funny they are. We'll have Steve
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on here just a bit. We'll also talk a little
bit about one of the things of a lot of
people getting rid of their guns, are starting to sell guns,
and the question is how do you go about that?
So we're gonna be talking about some safe ways to
go about that after we go along, and obviously you
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and we can talk about pretty much anything. I'm We're
open lines and I'm open to subjects and topics right now.
I was looking online and somebody was saying, you know,
if you had to have your do everything rifle, it
(16:42):
takes care of everything rifle, what would it be, you know,
lever action, POMP, volt action, Semiato, what caliber cartridge? And
the discussion is really interesting. It's like, okay, well, okay,
I want it for hunting, and I want it for
(17:02):
target shooting, and I want it for self defense, and
I wanted it for in case. The stuff is the
fan and my bug out gun. I would add one
I did not see in there. I want one that
I can carry across all states. Oh, that's going to
make it interesting. Huh, Well, that may take out your
(17:23):
semiauto in terms of what you can have in all states.
Lever action probably fine, yep. I don't know if a
state where you'd have a problem with that. Bolt action,
of course is fine. Caliber I don't know. I mean
I can make a case for two two, three or
five five six. I could also make a case for
the three h eight just a good bit more power
(17:47):
with that short barrel, long barrel scope, iron sights, red dot,
I don't know. Also, you know, here's one if you're
familiar with Colonel Jeff Cooper, who found a gun sight
forty plus years ago. He came up with the concept
(18:08):
of the Scout rifle, a short, somewhat short barrel three
to eight detactabil magazine with a scope mounted out further
out on the barrelediate intermediate I relief scope. He never
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quite got it exactly what he wanted because he had
some particular criteria on it as far as weight and
other things, and a number of different companies have made
Scout rifles through the years stire. I guess maybe being
one of the first, and I think Cooper worked with
Styre on that. Ruger has a scout rifle version in
(18:48):
their Model eighty eight Hawkeye. I think Savage has done
a scout rifle. Trying to think who else is several
different companies have. It's just an interesting idea of having
more ammunition because you've got detachable magazines and fairly short,
easy to handle, and with a bolt action, of course,
(19:08):
you have generally speaking, pretty good accuracy and you get
the power you might get if you went with a
three to zero eight. I don't know, just kind of
one of those what if it's a game we play,
isn't it If you could have only one gun, Yeah fine, okay,
I don't want to have only one gun, but we'll
play the game. If you had to have a bug
out gun, Yeah fine, okay, we'll play that guy, and
(19:30):
in this case, one rifle to take care of everything.
I don't know the lever action might I like lever actions,
but I'm wondering if the cartridge choice would be restrictive
in terms of if you had to shoot a little
bit longer ranges and maybe a bolt action comes in
handy there. I don't know what do you think? You
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got any thoughts on that you can obviously give me
a call at tom Talk Gun. Let's go talk to Randall.
He's in Prianvale, Oregon. They d works on your mind, sir.
Speaker 9 (20:02):
You know my dilemma. So you know, I've sold all
my guns. I don't you should use much, but I've
narrowed it down to four guns I just really love, okay,
and I'm trying to figure out do I just hunt
with my favorite guns or do I mix it up
and give everybody a shot? So I you know, I
(20:25):
have an l R ten three eight, which I want
to either go hog hunting or burr hunting with it.
I have a Redminton seven hundred and thirty odd six
I haven't really shot much. It's always my backup gun.
I take two guns when I go hunting. I got
a Remington seven hundred six point five six that I
love to hunt deer with an L But I think
(20:47):
my my overall favorite is a Cooper from Montana to
eighty Acre. That's the gun I really like. And it's
kind of expensive gun. And I've got a mounted with
you knowlescope, so it's it's nice scope. So okay, here,
maybe you use a different caliber for different kinds of game.
(21:10):
I don't know what are your thoughts on.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Have you ever seen a golfer go out with one club?
Speaker 9 (21:18):
No?
Speaker 2 (21:19):
No, Because we have different clubs for different shots. We
have different rifles, different guns for different things. Think of
them as your children. You can't play favorites, although you
always do have maybe a favorite, but in this case
the two eighty AI you cannot do better than that,
and it will take care of everything. The problem is
you don't want it to take care of everything because
you want to try some other things. It's a reason
(21:41):
why I look back in the last six mule deer
I shot. We're shot with six different rifles and six
different calibers. Yes, I could have killed them all with
a THREEHO eight and that works fine, but that's not
what I wanted to do. I like it just like you.
I like my different guns. I want to try different ones.
I want to do something different. Probably each year you're
(22:02):
on the right track. The only problem is you're down
to four partner. That's not nearly enough. We call those
rookie numbers here. You got up that game a little bit.
Those that you got rid of you need to start
replacing those because there's lots of cool guns and calibers
out there that you need to be getting into. I'll
be right back. All right, we're back at you a
(22:30):
few minutes. I want to tell you I had a
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I just got and tried it out yesterday. It did
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online one. He's in Wasilla, Alaska. Paul, what have you
been up to?
Speaker 10 (24:13):
Oh? Well, first, I was going to tell you my
pick for the carry it Everywhere rifle.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Oh good?
Speaker 10 (24:23):
Is a Browning lever action in three fifty eight Winchester.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Years ago.
Speaker 10 (24:31):
Do you still that everything? No, I don't. I tell
you everything. I ever shot with it fell straight down,
but it developed an extractor problem and I live in
the land of thousand pounds bears and I could not
have that.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
No, it's interesting, right. People don't know about the Browning VLR.
It's a lever action rifle, but it was made to
be able to take higher pressure cartridges, so you could
shoot three or eight and three fifty eight and other
cartridges in it. And it's handy and short and light
like lever action, but it has the power of modern cartridges.
(25:07):
So I love that idea of the three pin fifty
eight in that you know, you, did you ever think
about maybe finding another one?
Speaker 10 (25:14):
I I've thought about it.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I have.
Speaker 10 (25:18):
I bought a three O eight thinking about getting it rebarreled,
but I haven't done it yet because of it's an
original series and the magazine availability is a killer.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yes, and that's one of the things about some of
these other bolt action variations. Now you can get bolt
actions and five five six that take AR mags or
in three h eight that take AI pattern mags, so
magazines are very available for some of those.
Speaker 10 (25:50):
Yeah. But anyways, I like the lever action, and I
had Wilson fire sights on it, the guide receiver, and
the nice the fiber optic front site. It was a
nice little gun.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Okay, Paul that I'm seeing a note here It says
that you have a confession to make about something about
not following my advice. What are we talking about here?
Speaker 10 (26:16):
I have resisted practicing shooting with my left hand. And
the other night I was going down the steps off
of my back deck in the dark, and I thought
I was on the bottom step, and I was not,
and I went down, you know, about twenty inches instead
of none and broke my right thumb. So now I
(26:43):
wish I knew how to shoot with my left hand.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Well, here's the good news. Dry firing works really well
at getting you very comfortable, you know, working things with
your left hand with all the controls and all I'll
give you if you would like, you can give you
a couple of tips on that, okay. One is that
if you're shooting semi auto particularly, the one thing that
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people screw up on when shooting left handed or weekend
whichever is not their primary hand, shooting one handed is
not giving the gun enough resistance so that the grip
doesn't move, the frame doesn't move, and the slide just moves.
So what you want to do is lean into it,
maybe even blade your body a little bit, turn a
little bit to the right so you're leaning into your
left hand, and shove it out there and lean into
(27:30):
it like you're leaning against a poster or something, so
that the gun has some resistance to work against the
other thing you're going to find is you're going to
shoot much better than you think you are when you
start shooting one handed left handed, because you're going to
really focus and pay attention to all the little details
that we should be thinking about anyway. And I'll bet
(27:51):
you there's a really good chance shooting one handed left
handed you end up shooting smaller groups than you've been
shooting two handed. Take that, well, try it out. Let
us know how it works. Okay, okay, And I wish
you were a speed of recovery on that broken thumb. Man.
(28:12):
That sounds painful, man, I tell you, But yeah, you
know you can try this. Oh the other thing that
we all need to be doing at beforehead of the
break here, here's a thought. If you want to shoot
better with your handguns, if you have stronger grip in
your hands, you will shoot better. You'll be able to
control recoil better. Get an exercise ball or those grip things,
(28:33):
grip master things, and just put it by your easy chair,
and when you're sitting at home, just work on your
grip strength left hand, right hand. After a while, you'll
be able to grip your gun stronger and you'll be
able to shoot better. Hey, we'll be right back.
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Back with you here eight six to six Talk gun
or Tom Talk Gun. Let's see here. We got Jeffrey
calling in from Longmont, Colorad. Hey Jeffrey, what are you
looking for here?
Speaker 13 (31:22):
PADDI Tom, I am looking for a recommendation on a
first AR. So just a little bit of background. I've
been shooting since twenty twenty. I got my CCW I
carry everywhere and I train, uh not plink, but actually
trained about two three hours a month. So I'm semi
(31:44):
serious about this, I guess compared to some and I'm
looking to get an ar my first one. I do
shoot left handed, and I had kind of narrowed it
down to the sig M four hundred pro one of
the sig treadlines, or then a friend of mine it
turned me on to the LWRCIDI, which is a few
(32:05):
hundred bucks more. But I hear really good things about it.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Well, you got good you got good choices across the board.
I mean you named three really good rifles there. So
I mean you know that old thing of you can't
go wrong here, It is true, you can't go wrong.
But also people will say there's no right decision. Well
that's not correct. There is a right decision. Yeah, and
I'm going to tell you what the right decision is. Okay, alrighty,
(32:32):
it's the one you want, and if it's the one
that costs more, it's still the right decision. Because here's
my question for you, how long do you expect this
gun to last?
Speaker 13 (32:47):
I hope to give it to my son when he's
my age.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Okay, So admortize three hundred dollars over the next twenty
thirty forty years and you won't be able to find it.
But each time you pick up the one you really want,
you're going to say, man, I'm really glad I got that.
And it may turn out you prefer the sick It's fine,
it doesn't really matter. Just pick the one that you say,
I really like that. Now, I am going to have
(33:10):
a suggestion for you, okay, because you shoot left handed,
First of all, don't worry about ejection port and going
out to the right. If you look at your site,
you shouldn't be seeing empties going out the side of
the gun. But I would recommend that you put an
AMBI safety on it. And that's a really, really easy
modification to make. And that's really the only modification I
(33:32):
would make on shooting an ar left handed.
Speaker 13 (33:36):
Okay, I think a couple of those come with left
hand with anti shafety.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Okay, Well, you know what the other thing I would
do is put an amb charging handle on it. Inexpensive,
easy to do. But if you put an amb charging
handle on it and an AMBI safety, you're good to go.
And just I don't know if you know that I
shoot long guns left handed, so I shoot rs from
the left side, and so that's what I have found
is all I needed. I mean, I can shoot without
(34:02):
an AMBI safety. If you are shooting one that doesn't
have an AMBI safety, you're going to want to modify
your grip a little bit with your left hand on
that pistol grip and keep your thumb on the left
side of the grip, don't wrap it around, and just
because you've got plenty of strengthen your hand anyway and
just work your thumb on that safety. It's on the
left side of the rifle. But if you get an
(34:23):
AMBI safety, now you can get a good proper grip
on it and work with safety on that side on
the right side as well.
Speaker 13 (34:29):
Yes, sir, okay, And then just a quick follow up,
I think you have been fairly consistent in saying that
an AR fifty is a very good home defense weapon
over a pistol. Is that correct?
Speaker 2 (34:40):
It is a good option. Either one will work fine,
but there's nothing wrong with an AR as a home
defense gun. You probably want to pay a little bit
more attention to m selection. And for me, I'm I
would you frangible not frangible like using it against steel,
(35:03):
but bullets more like Varmitt bullets. If you hell bullets
that expand or even blow apart in that way, you're
not going to get a lot of penetration with them
at any rate, no matter what you're doing. And it's
very effective. I mean, look, an AR is a rifle.
It shoots with more power than a pistol. More power
is better at stopping an attacker. But there are issues involved.
(35:28):
And you know, since you train, I would say, go
take a good class on going through a house with
an AR because there are techniques there. Here's a question
for you. It's like what people say, well, what's the difference?
I say, okay, are you going to go muscle up
or muscle down through the house? And they go, what's
the difference?
Speaker 13 (35:47):
I can drop to my knee and still get a shot.
Speaker 2 (35:49):
Yes, if the barrel is pointed down, if they grab
the barrel, you could drop to your knee and you
can shoot them in the kneecap. And once you've shot
them in the kneecap, they lose all interested holding on
to your gun. Trust me. So yes, if you got
the barrel up when you go through a doorway, if
they grab the barrel. You cannot force that barrel down
where you could point it at them. So yes, that's
(36:10):
the kind of training stuff we're talking about here. But
you're gonna have fun. I mean, shoot it a bunch,
get you a good ar You're already on the right track.
All of the ones you named are quality guns, and
like I said, just modified it slightly and it'll be
a really good gun to shoot from either side, left
or right because all you're doing is making it basically envy.
(36:30):
You're gonna have a good good time. And look, give
me a favorite after you get it, and you shot
a little bit. Call us back with a ranger port
because everybody else wants to know what you ended up with.
Speaker 10 (36:39):
Okay, happy to do so it sounds good.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
I appreciate that. Thank you very much. Let's grab Brandt
and Billings Montana on four. Hey, grant what you got?
Speaker 10 (36:51):
Hey?
Speaker 14 (36:51):
I got My wife doesn't know it, but she bought
me a holester for Christmas, and I had a hundred
percent Kaidex holster before and it was good everything. I
liked everything about it until I was in the truck
for a long period of time and it would kind
of change angles and wiggle around and interfere with the
(37:13):
seatbelt and everything.
Speaker 13 (37:15):
Uh.
Speaker 14 (37:16):
And so I got a crossbreed super tuck and I
love everything about it. Before when you were talking about,
you know, be careful when you use a public restroom
because if you drop your trousers and your gun goes
skidding three stars down, that could be a problem. And
with a with one hundred percent KAIDEKX one, it was
(37:38):
a weed to people holster with a weed to people holster,
it held it really tight. That was never a problem.
So I always wondered, what were you talking about. I
don't know, that's not a problem. But with the with
the leather and Kaidex combo, it could be a problem.
So I just have to be a little more careful.
But it does it doesn't move around at all. Uh,
(37:59):
stays right where I put it.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
And comfortable about it.
Speaker 14 (38:04):
Yeah, very comfortable, and it doesn't interfere with a seatbelt
and just yeah, I'm tickled.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
Think well terrific, I mean, and you have basically with
your explanation, people will understand. Now what we're always talking
about is that one holster isn't going to do it
for you. You have to try different ones. If you get
really lucky and you go, yeah, this is a great holster.
I love it and I can wear it forever. Then
you are the unicorn. You figured it out. But most
of us end up having to try different holsters, and
(38:34):
sometimes we have to have different holsters for different ways
that we dress. Or sometimes like yesterday, I get a
brand new holster. I'm all excited about it. I get
my gun and I put it in it and I
start wearing it, and I went, oh, that's a problem.
I'll tell you what. Let me come back. Let me
tell you what happened. Could have been embarrassing, could have
(38:56):
been worse than that. I'll give you my range of port.
My holster failed. When me come back. All right, gather around, kids,
it's confession time. Because I did something I'm not supposed
(39:18):
to do. I did something that I tell people not
to do. I went out and carried the rig that
I hadn't tested before. I got in a new holster
this week. I'm not going to tell you the name
because it's not fair to them. Because this is on me.
Kaiex Holster Kaidex mag pouches for a nineteen eleven Commander
(39:40):
size pistol, and I wanted to have a new pistol,
a new holster rather for my GT twenty five. That
was the limited edition pistol we did with Ruger out
of their custom shop in ten milimeter. I thought well
that'd be cool, and so I had a run into
town and I thought, well, I'll put on the new
(40:01):
holster and I'll take the ten milmeter in. I'll carry
that into town. You're just gonna be gone for an hour,
so no big deal. So tried the whole the pistols
shoved in the holster. Yeh, clicked right in their kaiaks.
It's really nice. Liked it. Put on the holster, put
on the mag pouch, feels good, feels comfortable. All right,
it's going to work and spread out the weight of
(40:23):
the gun very nicely. So I go into town and
then I'm I need to swap ammo out. So I
get to where I'm going and it's time to pull
the pistol out of the holster. I gave myself a wedgie.
I pulled up so hard on this pistol and the
(40:46):
holster comes up, the belt comes up, the pants come up.
It's like, holy cow, I don't know if I can
get this gun out of the holster. I mean, eventually
I did, and I've got to work on I got
to do so adjustments on tensioning and all the rest
of it. But the point is I didn't test it
(41:07):
before I carried it. That's a mistake. It's a rookie mistake,
and I shouldn't have done that. But it also points
out that the rest of you should also do as
I say, not as I do. If you got a
new rig, new belt, new holster, new magpows knew anything,
you want to try it out. You want to test it,
maybe at the range at least, lots of dry fire,
(41:27):
lots of dry practice, pulling your gun out of the holster,
putting it back in all of that. I think I'm
going to like this holster eventually. It's just that right
now it's not adjusted correctly. But it was an eye opener.
It's like what I yanked up on that thing and
everything came up holster belt pants was like I thought
I was gonna pick myself up off the ground yanking
(41:50):
up on this pistol. So there you go, just just
random thoughts for you. Why ten millimeter? Well, why not
the ten milimeters rait cartridge? We've done three gun talk
guns so far, all of them in ten elevator. The
GT ten was a Kimber nineteen eleven. The GT twenty
(42:12):
was a sig P two twenty, the first ten milimeters
version there of that pistol that they came out with.
And then of course the g T twenty five was
the Ruger nineteen eleven in a commander size. Really a shooter,
really good trigger, really good sites. It just really works well.
We are working on new stuff. We'll see what comes.
(42:34):
There will be a GT thirty at some point working
on that. It's in the works, so we'll keep you
posting on that as well. So the question I have
for you is, right now, have you changed your thinking?
I'm going to say that you need to change your
thinking in terms of what can happen, what may happen,
(42:55):
what should happen. Getting yourself out of that condition white
where you're not paying attention to everything around you, and
at least working where you're always in condition yellow, where
you're at least aware and noticing things around you and
making changes. I mean people, I hear people say, well,
you know, when I get in the car, I take
the gun off out of the holster, I put it
in the center call console. The center console is not
(43:16):
a holster. If you have to bail out of your
car in a hurry, the gun's still in the car
or the truck. You need it on you. If it's
not on you, it's not available. You're not thinking about
the what ifs here? What if I need to do this?
What if I need to do that. If it's on you,
you have it with you. If it's in your car,
you're now it's using your car as a holster. And
(43:36):
that's a really, really bad idea. Give me a call.
Where are you keeping your guns?
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