July 27, 2024 • 32 mins
Gun Talk Hunt’s Kevin “KJ” Jarnagin is joined by Seth Swerchek of Hornady Ammunition in Utah to discuss NRL Hunter Matches and how this type of competition is a huge benefit for hunters. Plus, the guys discuss what ammo you should be considering for your next hunt and much more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This week on Gun Talk Hunt, I'm joined by Seth
Swirchek of Hornity, and I'm telling you what. We're in
Utah on this episode talking NRL Hunter matches and what
amo you need for your next match.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hey, I'm kJ, dedicated lifelong hunter. Here.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
If you've got an interest in all things hunting, you're
in the right spot. Whether chasing quill across the plains
of Oklahoma or in pursuit of belk in the back
country of British Columbia, you'll always find.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Me on the hunt.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
All right, welcome in all your gun talk hunters. I
am your host, kJ, and today we're out at the
What Price Utah Price, Utah North Springs Range shooting the
NRL Hunter match, which Hornity sponsors and Hornety brought me
in with a bunch of other media folks to shoot
this match. My first NRL match, not yours.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Well, this is my first sanctioned interroll Hunter match. So
I've shot, I've shot, I've shot several matches that were
this style before the interel Hunter was a thing, and
then this is my first sanctioned match. I enjoy this platform.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Oh, it's unique because it kind of blends in the
long distance shooting thing with skills that every hunter needs, glassing, targets,
gear manipulation, fundamentals of marksmanship. So it kind of encompasses everything,
and it happens actually in a time where there's not
(01:34):
a whole lot going not a whole lot of hunting seasons.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Going on, right, unless you're going to Africa, there's not
a lot in the summer.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, so Hornity sponsors this. We're shooting Hornity. We're shooting
six milimeters creed More. So why did you pick? Because
we didn't go, well, I want to shoot the six
y five cree More, I want to shoot you guys
kind of selected the six milimeter creed More for us
to shoot. Why did you select that platform?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
So the reason we opted for six creed More instead
of something like a six y five or six by
PRC even is the group that we assembled for this event.
We wanted to maximize the training and the fund for
a group of media and content creators that primarily come
from the hunting environment. And so the six creed More
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compared to other cartridges, it's flatter trajectory, it's less wind drift,
and it's less recoil, so you're able to spot your impact.
So it made sense. We were going to be shooting
factory built rifles in what's called the Skills division, so
six creed mores legal to use for this for that division.
And it just made a lot of sense. Less recoil,
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flatter trajectory, less wind, more fun.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
All things I really like. But what so I know
I've heard Tyler Friel talking about it, and he is
talking about like utilizing like match ammunition, specifically Hornity for
hunting purposes. Sure, why is why are are folks starting
to lean towards that way?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I think a lot of people like the accuracy that
match ammunition gives them. There are trade offs though, and
as a company, Hornity doesn't recommend hunting with match amo
because the bullet isn't designed to perform like that, and
sometimes they perform really really well, and sometimes they don't
perform at all, and that gray area is a problem.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Okay, it is a gray area, that's probably. But I
have first hand knowledge of this because I was on
an at FDW. We were using eldm my hand, we
were using one forty six five three mores. Deer went
(03:47):
twenty yards. Yeah, I mean smoked him with match ammunition, sure,
and that's but we were doing a little bit of
long range shooting, long distance shooting, and going you know, well,
what would be the outcome if you did X, Like
if you did your match shooting and then you took
it out and did that. I had no issues with it,
(04:08):
and we had other folks in the camp same thing right.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Well, And a lot of that comes down to the
bullet construction. So on a match bullet, the jacket's very
very thin. So if you shoot an animal at maybe
a non traditional extended range, the velocity is bled off
and that bullet's likely going to perform like a traditional
lead gore hunting bullet. The catch twenty two is because
that jackets so thin. That jacket controls how fast that
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lead flows out of the bullet that mushroom. So if
you impact a bone or you impact with very high velocity,
you know, those more traditional sub three hundred yard ranges,
that jacket just can't hold together and you end up
with a hand grenade type of effect, which sometimes can
be effective and other times.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Depends on I mean, shot placement always. I mean, it's
shot placement is what you're dealing with. But I just
thought it was interesting that Friol was talking about that
so heavily and utilizing the like match ammunition for like
hunting purposes. That was interesting.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You got to know what what your bullet construction is,
and there's things that even if you know the bullet
construction that you might not know, like, uh, we insert
a palmer tip and how far we crowd the lead
core to the lead can impact how that bullet upsets
when you shoot an animal with it. So you know
that's one thing that you don't know how much uh
(05:29):
crowding we put on that tip. So so are.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Like, I don't know how to approach this question because
I feel like most of the hunting public don't understand
bullet construction. I would agree, Hey, how I mean, how
can how can we sit there and we talk about this,
because like, you've got to know understand what your bullet is,
(05:56):
what the bullet construction is, in order to make the
right choice for your hunting rake.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So that's that's the Hornity marketing job, right And with
our podcast, the Hornity Podcast, we've been trying to put
that information out in larger form to get more people educated.
And we've got ye several podcasts.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
But are people really willing to like seek out that
information or they just like, oh, yeah, that looks like
a hunting bullet. I'm sure to work on my gun. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I think there's a growing community that is especially I
feel you give.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Them more hope than I do. Well, I'll be honest
with you, seth like I don't give most folks credit
for like doing their due diligence, like going out and
they buy a new hunting rifle, Like this is the
like prime example. They go out and they buy a
new hunting rifle, and they go, I like hornity, I
like the eel of the X. I'm gonna buy that,
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and that's all I need.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Like that my work.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Ye, But what happens if it doesn't, Like, yeah, are
you willing to like take the forty dollars hit and
go that's work. Try I'm gonna try a different grain
or a different bullet.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
That's a good a good point. And there is a
large community like that. I do feel like there is
a growing community of people that they're not hunting like
their grandfathers anymore. They're building rifles, they're buying semi custom rifles,
they're trying different bullets.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
They're here, dude, you're opening up so much right now.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Well, right, chronograph people are more people with chrona grap
it's more people with ballistic calculators. I feel like the
community of the purposefully educated hunter is growing, for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
So do you see that as like the new hunters
that are entering the market or like, is it a
growing is it a result of the growing like access
to information.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I think it's a little bit of both. I would
say obviously the younger hunter coming up. Generally, that younger
crowd more gear driven, so they're you know, more different
bipods and all that stuff. But I do see an
older community. Like my father's a great example. My father
hunted in the exact same fashion for many decades and
then all of a sudden, well, I'm gonna build some
(08:07):
custom rifles. I better get some first vocal playe mill scopes.
That's dropping big money on.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
How did he come to that realization?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Like, is he seeing what you're doing? Yeah, he's yeah.
He went to a PRS match and was like, oh, kid,
you guys can do this with guns. Well, I guess
I'm gonna have to do that now. And I feel
like he's not you know, that's not a He's not
an exception that that's a pretty standard thing. And uh,
it's access to information.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Is key if right now, it's everything but access to
matches like the NRL Hunter that we're doing here, and
this is my first foray into an NR Hunter match.
I feel like I'm doing good. Like I feel like
like the guns shooting good. The AMMO though, like has
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performed because I'm able to.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Track and it just works in this gun.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
And we put this thing through some heavy work.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
There's heavy winds, there is vertical wind because we're shooting
over cliffs that there's different canyons, and then the spine
we shot on today, depending on what side of the
spine you shot on, you got a left to right
or left. Yeah, And that's that's crazy. Some of the
targets were a tenth of a mill wide. We were
shooting those paride dog targets at nearly three hundred yards
(09:20):
that were a tenth of a mill wire.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, and it's incredible.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
It's important and managing your gear and all of the
things that go into gear when you're on the in
the stress of a timed environment.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah. Man, well, and I think that's one way that
NRL Hunter matches like kind of separate themselves because you
go into a blind like you're sitting down in a
staging area. You're sitting there and you're going, well, i've
got another like fifteen minutes till my until I'm on
the clock. You haven't seen the stage.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Now you won't see the No one talks about it.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
No, that's one thing I really noticed. Did you notice that?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah, oh, for sure, that's part of the game. Is
game because in the Precision Rifle series type matches, you
get one person comes off the stage, oh, I gave
it six tenths of the mill and I'm running a
six millimeter creed More with a one to eight, so
everybody else goes, oh, oh give it six tenths of
the mill. And this you get the communal aspect before
(10:21):
the stage, but after the stage you move upstream, so
you move by yourself to the next stage. So I
think that makes you a better shooter. You have to
you have to make a call that's good, to be
forced into that. You have to trust the call, and
you have to make the correction when you're wrong, and
doing all of that together under the stress of being
on the clock trying to get you know, maybe a
(10:42):
gun that's not feeding or managing the dope on your
arm or finding the targets.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
There's That's one thing that I've noticed, and maybe you
could shed some light on this. So what I'm noticing
from yesterday and today, like say four hundred and six
hundred yards, I'm two tens to three tenths off very consistently. Okay,
so is my gun speeding up?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
No, I would almost guarantee you that's a zero problem.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Really yep.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
If it's consistent at every range, then it's an offset
which would be corrected by zero and a whole other
We could do an hour long podcast on what's called
zero angle and how you set up a rifle with
a data program in set of zero range, you'd set
it up using the departure angle of the barrel. It
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seems complex. It's not quite as bad as it sounds.
But going from you know, we were shooting at K
and M at three hundred feet above sea level. We
verified dope when we got here, but we're shooting at
sixty five hundred feet plus. That's going to be compounded
by a couple of things. One, you will experience some
vertical wind out here and then you are experiencing an
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aerodynamic jump, so the crosswind will increase or decrease your elevation.
There's the elevation opponent of the cross wind, and there's
potential that you do get vertical wind. We're shooting, you know,
you get wind that will when you look at a
big canyon, imagine it being flooded with water and how
the water flows, right, is how the wind's going to flow,
(12:15):
and so you can get some vertical wind.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah, it's a miracle I hit a target today. Yeah,
because I would sit there and have to think, like, okay,
like the targets that I'm missed two tens off, like
just high, and so like that's God, that's interesting. Like
there's so much that goes into this game, Like Okay,
I'm gonna I got to take a break here. But
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on the other side of the break, like what I
really kind of want to jump into is is one
how do people like what are the limiting factors on
getting into something like this sure and the ballistic calculator
ford off that is out there that Hornity produces and
how easy and how robust it is. Absolutely all right,
(13:01):
So we're gonna jump in that right after this.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Now just diving.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
We're going to take a ninety degree turn and we're
gonna stop talking about NRL Hunter matches. We're gonna jump
into why you would need something from Rossi Maybe like
an R ninety five triple black and thirty thirty Winchester,
a giant pickrail on it, a large lever loop wrapped
in PARACRD synthetic stock. And I'm gonna tell you right now,
(13:32):
it's freaking unreal. It's suppressor and optics ready, so it's
it's cut already. But thirty thirty in Chester barrel length
of sixteen and a half overall inches, This is a
cool one. Thirty thirty was what I took my first
year with. And the Rossi R ninety five in triple
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black is pretty tang solid. You know, you look at
these guns nowadays that they're coming back, and lever guns
have really kind of enjoyed a renewed spirit.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
People are getting into them.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
You know. It's one of those things that honestly, really
the government's not coming after, so it behooves you to
have a couple in your safe.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
And I would say I've shot the Rossi R ninety
five Triple black in thirty third Winchester before and absolutely
I've got.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
One on order. So now I'm just saying you may
want to get it, and I'm you know what, it's
a Walnut action rifle. So I apologize that. But it's
all black, it looks sleek, it's beautiful. But you have
the triple black, beautiful gun ready to rock and Voodoo
the Voodoo X optics from Eotech. Now they have one
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to eight, they have a eight to thirty two, they
have a three and a half to eighteen. Okay, So
from doing this, from doing this match, from doing an
NRL hundred match, what I'm gonna tell you right now
is I would I would probably look at really closely
at the three and a half to eighteen. And the
only reason I would say that is because I would
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I don't think I would use all thirty two power
magnification because you've got to really run the magnification knob
on that you're gonna have to adjust a lot during
these matches. And so at three and a half to
eighteen kind of for me is like the right balance
of it and aircraft graded aluminum on these suckers. They
(15:35):
are nice and a couple of different radical options for you.
But second vocal plane makes it ideal for hunting. And look,
if you're gonna run one of these NRL Hunter matches
and you just want to improve your hunting, run it
as such. Run what you're gonna run. Run your hunting rig, man,
run your hunting rig, because that's how you're gonna learn
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more about what you're gonna do in the field rather
than gaming it and all this extra equipment. So and
it's just a friendly kind of FYI. I mean these
are fog resistant, they're shock resistant or water resistant, they
have anti reflective lenses. Just give them a look. I
(16:19):
promise you they've got a sunshade. They've got everything to
make you successful in the field. Eotech Inc. Dot Com
to find out more. And since we're in the game
of running what you would run in the field, absolutely
have a couple of Remington's seven hundred triggers in my
guns from Timney Triggers. I really like the Elite Hunter version.
(16:44):
It's an adjustable trigger. Actually the factory setting comes at
three pounds, so you can choose your options and how
it comes to you from two pounds all the way
up to four pounds. And if you're shooting a really
high precision match, which, let's be honest, a high precision
match where you're trying to be very precise is no
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different than what you're trying to do in the field.
You heard me right, What you do on practice is
what you should be doing in the field.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
BeO with the animals. One shot, one killed.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
But find out more at Timney Triggers dot com and
check out your next Remy Tan seven hundred trigger and
ruger And they offer the American gen To in so
many different calibers. I'm not going to list them all
because I've already done that and I got winded. I
got really tired on that one. But the standard version
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is probably what is going to be geared towards what
I could see a lot of NRL hunter, especially the
guys that are getting new into this like myself. This
is probably a great option for you because it's got
a spiral fluted barrel, it's got adjustable comb height, and
he's got adjustable length of pool.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Via some spacers.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So when you start looking at that, I mean, and
it's got a spider finished stock.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
But the stock I'm not as much worried about.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
It's the adjustability of the American Gen two that I
really love, but I mean it's threaded, so if you
want to run a brake on it, you can run
their break or if you want to run it as
a suppress gun, you can absolutely run it as a
suppress gun and.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
An adjustable trigger.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
So if you're looking for an option to run your
next NRL Hunter match, this is going to allow you
to meet that factory setting, the factory class, and it's
going to be lightweight, and it's going to be highly accurate,
because every single one that I've shot is very accurate.
And yes, they have them in six milimeters creed More
twenty two arc sixty five creed More, so they offer
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them in those popular calibers that seem to.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Be out there in the NRL Hunter matches. So find
out more at ruger dot com and range Ready.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
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look at range ready Studios dot com for your next
class entry because if you're talking about shooting matches, no
matter if you take a pistol match or a rifle match,
or a USPSA or IDPA, whatever you select, like, especially
like when running these matches, you want to be able
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to press the trigger correctly, and what did you see?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
What did you feel?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
That's one of Chris Serino's like man, that's his gospel
right there. And it all translate whether you take a
pistol class from Range Ready Studios or a rifle class,
they all like the principles of marksmanship apply to everything.
So just think about it. Raine Ready Studios dot Com.
Let's get back to the show.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
All right, We're back.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
With seth of Hornady and I'm not going to butcher
your last name nailed it? Yeah, really want something every day?
All right? Limiting well, okay, limiting factors on someone getting
into like matches like this, because we met a guy today, dude,
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first match, and he looked like he was wizzled. Yeah Evan,
I think I think his name was Evan. Evan if
you do watch this, like I'm not talking bad about you,
but like that's like good on him, one hundred percent
coming in like outside your comfort of knowing anybody, like
just coming in and going you know what, like this
(20:34):
is cool? I think I might want to get into it.
I'm sure he shot great today, but like, how what
are the limiting factors that you see on jumping into something.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Like this is different in a specifically different than say
something like the Precision Rifles series uh, in that I
feel like there is less bars of entry I see.
The first and the biggest limiting factors that people get
involved is their own ego is like, is get getting
working up the courage to like I'm gonna register for
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a match and I'm gonna go and I'm not going.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
To I want to get my bud cake.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, it's it's hard to do, and so sometimes getting
out of your own way is the biggest thing. And
then two is there are some equipment things you know
that you need. And what I like about the interval
Hunter specifically with the Skills Division, and you see this
a little bit with PRS, but this interroll Hunter, it's
a hunter. You can come here with a factory Tika
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T three with a bipod, a good scope that you
can dial, and a range finder and a pair of binoculars.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
And get it done and you can compete in the match.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
And you know what, the people that win the match
could win the match with that equipment.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It's not a good point.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
It's not a gear driven game. There are some you know,
like some bipods are better than and some guns maybe,
But you don't need a ton of Gucci gear. You
have a factory secrets, hathic, a factory tika, factory browning.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
So that's one thing that I think a lot of
guys I used to be this guy. I used to
be this guy that get wrapped around the axles of gear.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Like.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I think that's a very good point because we shot
with a professional day his name is Brady Dude, phenomenal shooter.
And his efficiency and of movement was outstanding. I mean
it was effortless. He knew where he was going to
set his back, his pack, he knew how he set
up his tripod. He moved effortlessly through each single stage
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like it was impressed to watch. And you're right, he
could do it with a factory gun. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
One of my favorite sayings, it's the nut behind the bolt,
and that usually works. So some bars of entry you
have to have a rifle that shoots well. I mean yeah,
I would recommend something like six or five creed more.
You could get it done with the three of them.
You could get it done with some more traditional cartridge
if you brought a magnum like a seven bag for example.
(23:01):
Ballistically it would be good, but the recoils a little high. Yeah,
but a prime example would be a Tika T three
in a six or five creed more with a good scope,
you can dial on a sandbag in the back and
you know, tripod tripod.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
It's pretty important.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I mean yeah, but I feel like a lot of hunters,
especially where we're at right now in Utah, the Western hunter,
the hunter on the Great Plains, that's standard kit. You
don't go hunt.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
That's my standard kit. And I kind of look at
this match as stuff that I would actually use in
the field. And this is going to kind of lead
into ford Off. Is I use ford Off in the field,
like because I don't take a range card, I don't
build out a dope card when I go to the field.
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I don't have my hard data in the field. I
have ford Off, Like that's what I use when I
get to camp, I slide in, I range, I get
my environmentals, and I'm going Fordof has it, so always
have access to it. But so explain what Hornity ford
Off is and why it would be useful for someone
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in like an NRL situation, PRS situation or a hunting scenario.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, so pr excuse me.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Ford Off is just a ballistic calculator, and blistic calculators
have been around for a very long time. And one
of the keys, one of the sources of pride for
Hornity is that it's free. There are some paid features
in there that are nice to have that you get
full access to our bullet library and all of you
know the features you need to to use. You're not
using any paid features, and you know it's free of charge.
(24:39):
You can download it iOS or Android. And what makes
it different than any other ballistic calculator is BC blistic coefficient.
We've all heard that BC calculators use ballistic coefficient to
determine your trajectory and it leaves a lot to be desired.
It's not as accurate it and it's not as accurate
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over a wide array of environments. And so what Fordoff
uses is drag coefficient solutions, which is the you can
think of it like this, BC is like taking a
snapshot of how your bullet performs. Ford Off takes a
four K video of how your bullet performs. So that's
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the different resolution.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
God, yeah, that's pretty big. Yeah, you think of it
that way. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
And another example would be all right. You can think
of a ballistic calculator as like determining how much fuel
you're going to need to drive somewhere. So we need
to know the miles per gallon, right, So if you
drive a Ford Ranger, a BC is like comparing that
Ford Ranger to an F one fifty. They're both trucks,
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so it's got this BC. That's not how it is.
Fordoff uses your Ford Ranger to determine miles per gallon.
So it's a much all the finer resolution of how
the board actually performs. And it's free of charge, and
you don't need cell phone reception to use it. Once
you have a downloaded on your phone, you can put
your phone in airplane mode, go into the back country,
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and you always have it, always have access.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, and that's one that's one of the things I
noticed out of here. We have, I mean, out at
the North Springs Range, we have like I have one
bar of LT some types sometimes and I just go
in and and I've got my hard data, but I'll
go in and just verify, like all right, yeah, it's
still matching up, like everything's still the same. So that's
(26:35):
been really nice to be able to access like when
we don't have that good a reception, which is which
is ridiculous to think about. Nowadays they should have freaking
cell phone towers everywhere. Yeah it is everywhere.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I mean I live in an area where I don't
have cell phone service at my house.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
How do you make that work?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I love it?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Wi Fi those now I'm thinking that might be nice.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, yeah, that would.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Be nice not to have cell phone service in your
own Yeah, crap, connect to Wi Fi. Don't connect.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
But if you want to be disconnected, you're disconnected.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Wi Fi, don't connect. WiFi just don't do it. Yeah. Well,
what's so as your first like real sanction match? Are
you shooting amateur pro? What are you shooting?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I'm shooting skills as well, just like okay else so
the skills. The reason for that is I wanted all
of the media and all the content creators and all
of the sponsoring companies that are that are part of
this event. I wanted all of us to have fun.
And we're a lot of meat eating, red blooded dudes
out there, and sometimes we have a tendency as a
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species to get fixated on competition. Do you whether I
don't care if you're rolling around on the jiu jitsu mats.
There's two guys shooting together in a hayfield. They're going
to get competitive. You get a bunch of testosterone on
a mountain trying to hit your right And so I
wanted it to be, hey, we're not walking price table.
Yes we're keeping score, but let's let's keep it about
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what it's get civilized.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah, yeah, well it's it's it's more about learning. And
I think I think so skills division is open to everybody,
like if you want to enter your first one, So
that is one hundred percent where I would go for now,
next time I enter an n or hunter match, I
will enter as an amateur.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Open light or something.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, open light, do something like that that way, like
because I'm I'm not accepting any help right now. Like
Matt Richie absolutely phenomenal shooter. He's doing really well, but
he's he's helping me a little bit because I'm having
having some issues mentally mostly so he's there to talk
me off the edge. He's my emotional support shooter. Yeah,
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like I really think I need to have him. I
made a patch. Yeah, he's my emotional support shooter. Like
that would be brilliant for him, Like I just came
up with that, but know, like like having someone that
like and being able to be on skills. And one
thing I noticed and you, I mean you've shot enough
matches to know this across the entire community is if
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you're a lower level shooter and you come in, dude,
they will help you succeed. Yeah. Great community.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
We had a young shooter today, first match ever. Uh yesterday,
he's trying to check in, trying to shoot for velocity,
pulls up his binoes cracked right through the lens and
his laser range finding. He's rocking a pair of range
fighting bos that somebody was like, hey, I don't know you, yeah,
but I want you to use these so you have
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a good match.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah. Well, and that's I think that's that would be universal.
I think I think if a piece of gear goes in. Well,
I was sitting there and I had a yard cell
on a on a stage and I'm sitting there and
I'm like, man, i feel like I'm missing something, and
here comes my shooting bag. Yeah, my my game changer bag.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Like he's like, oh, you dropped it, you left it all.
And I was like dude, thank you, Like that's incredible.
Like it's such a welcoming community and I just hate
that people get wrapped around the axles the ego, because
to leave your ego at the door, because this is
it's fun. It's an open community.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, it can be fun if you if you let it,
it could be. But I've seen people suck the fun
out of it too, And generally in this community, those
folks they don't stick a numb very long because it's
not fun for them, and it's nobody else is engaging
with them because it's not fun.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
We don't like you.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah right, don't be that guy.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Don't be that guy. Or maybe there's a girl author
that'd be like that. But like, and we've got Jessica
who is in our group. She's doing really good.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
She in the We shot fourteen stages today.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
He's probably kicking on stage is.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
One through five. It was like, all right, you know
we're helping through that. You're gonna be okay. Stage is
five through fourteen.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
She's crushing it, no kid, Yeah she's and she doesn't
get out and do this all the time, like we
have access to I mean, she's in Denver, Colorado, just
moved from California and like she's this isn't her world,
but she's.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Doing it, and she's commersed herself in it.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yeah, like she's doing really well, and that's that's really
cool to see. I mean, we're all shooting the same
hornity one o eight eldms and like they are performing.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Dude, I'm telling you, guys, I've been telling this to
Jessica all day today this fall. When she's got to
take you know, you get that one shot and it's
three hundred and fifty yards and she can do a
high kneeling shot from a tripod, Oh my god, because
she's already done it one hundred times. Yeah, when you
get that, you get that that hunting situation, it's it's
a chip shot. Last year, she wouldn't have.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
You have just summed up, like what what benefit an
NRL hunter match would do for you? Because am I
probably gonna go out next year in Oklahoma and just
jump out there and take a six hundred yard cold
war shot? I probably won't, but I will tell you
this much. A four hundred, four hundred and fifty yard
shot seems like a chip shot.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
On a tripod. You feel rock solid and again you've
oh you've got that muscle memory. Yeah, you beat the
steel up. You know exactly how it feels, how to
sink in that position and it Yeah, the show's over.
It's you're gonna put that bullet exactly where you want.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It's done that. I mean, that's the whole point of it.
So all right, seth. I appreciate you, dude, Thanks for
having me, Thanks for having me out man, And I
know you could have gone anywhere you wanted to invite media,
but I really do appreciate it. This has meant a
lot to me. Yeah, because this is something that I
get to pass on to my boys. So I do
love that because they will benefit from this. So all right,
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all your gun talk, hunters, you know the drill, keep
those muscles pointing in a safe direction, and always be
on the hind
This week on Gun Talk Hunt, I'm joined by Seth
Swirchek of Hornity, and I'm telling you what. We're in
Utah on this episode talking NRL Hunter matches and what
amo you need for your next match.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Hey, I'm kJ, dedicated lifelong hunter. Here.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
If you've got an interest in all things hunting, you're
in the right spot. Whether chasing quill across the plains
of Oklahoma or in pursuit of belk in the back
country of British Columbia, you'll always find.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Me on the hunt.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
All right, welcome in all your gun talk hunters. I
am your host, kJ, and today we're out at the
What Price Utah Price, Utah North Springs Range shooting the
NRL Hunter match, which Hornity sponsors and Hornety brought me
in with a bunch of other media folks to shoot
this match. My first NRL match, not yours.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Well, this is my first sanctioned interroll Hunter match. So
I've shot, I've shot, I've shot several matches that were
this style before the interel Hunter was a thing, and
then this is my first sanctioned match. I enjoy this platform.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Oh, it's unique because it kind of blends in the
long distance shooting thing with skills that every hunter needs, glassing, targets,
gear manipulation, fundamentals of marksmanship. So it kind of encompasses everything,
and it happens actually in a time where there's not
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a whole lot going not a whole lot of hunting seasons.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Going on, right, unless you're going to Africa, there's not
a lot in the summer.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, so Hornity sponsors this. We're shooting Hornity. We're shooting
six milimeters creed More. So why did you pick? Because
we didn't go, well, I want to shoot the six
y five cree More, I want to shoot you guys
kind of selected the six milimeter creed More for us
to shoot. Why did you select that platform?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
So the reason we opted for six creed More instead
of something like a six y five or six by
PRC even is the group that we assembled for this event.
We wanted to maximize the training and the fund for
a group of media and content creators that primarily come
from the hunting environment. And so the six creed More
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compared to other cartridges, it's flatter trajectory, it's less wind drift,
and it's less recoil, so you're able to spot your impact.
So it made sense. We were going to be shooting
factory built rifles in what's called the Skills division, so
six creed mores legal to use for this for that division.
And it just made a lot of sense. Less recoil,
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flatter trajectory, less wind, more fun.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
All things I really like. But what so I know
I've heard Tyler Friel talking about it, and he is
talking about like utilizing like match ammunition, specifically Hornity for
hunting purposes. Sure, why is why are are folks starting
to lean towards that way?
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I think a lot of people like the accuracy that
match ammunition gives them. There are trade offs though, and
as a company, Hornity doesn't recommend hunting with match amo
because the bullet isn't designed to perform like that, and
sometimes they perform really really well, and sometimes they don't
perform at all, and that gray area is a problem.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Okay, it is a gray area, that's probably. But I
have first hand knowledge of this because I was on
an at FDW. We were using eldm my hand, we
were using one forty six five three mores. Deer went
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twenty yards. Yeah, I mean smoked him with match ammunition, sure,
and that's but we were doing a little bit of
long range shooting, long distance shooting, and going you know, well,
what would be the outcome if you did X, Like
if you did your match shooting and then you took
it out and did that. I had no issues with it,
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and we had other folks in the camp same thing right.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Well, And a lot of that comes down to the
bullet construction. So on a match bullet, the jacket's very
very thin. So if you shoot an animal at maybe
a non traditional extended range, the velocity is bled off
and that bullet's likely going to perform like a traditional
lead gore hunting bullet. The catch twenty two is because
that jackets so thin. That jacket controls how fast that
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lead flows out of the bullet that mushroom. So if
you impact a bone or you impact with very high velocity,
you know, those more traditional sub three hundred yard ranges,
that jacket just can't hold together and you end up
with a hand grenade type of effect, which sometimes can
be effective and other times.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Depends on I mean, shot placement always. I mean, it's
shot placement is what you're dealing with. But I just
thought it was interesting that Friol was talking about that
so heavily and utilizing the like match ammunition for like
hunting purposes. That was interesting.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
You got to know what what your bullet construction is,
and there's things that even if you know the bullet
construction that you might not know, like, uh, we insert
a palmer tip and how far we crowd the lead
core to the lead can impact how that bullet upsets
when you shoot an animal with it. So you know
that's one thing that you don't know how much uh
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crowding we put on that tip. So so are.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Like, I don't know how to approach this question because
I feel like most of the hunting public don't understand
bullet construction. I would agree, Hey, how I mean, how
can how can we sit there and we talk about this,
because like, you've got to know understand what your bullet is,
(05:56):
what the bullet construction is, in order to make the
right choice for your hunting rake.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
So that's that's the Hornity marketing job, right And with
our podcast, the Hornity Podcast, we've been trying to put
that information out in larger form to get more people educated.
And we've got ye several podcasts.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
But are people really willing to like seek out that
information or they just like, oh, yeah, that looks like
a hunting bullet. I'm sure to work on my gun. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
I think there's a growing community that is especially I
feel you give.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Them more hope than I do. Well, I'll be honest
with you, seth like I don't give most folks credit
for like doing their due diligence, like going out and
they buy a new hunting rifle, Like this is the
like prime example. They go out and they buy a
new hunting rifle, and they go, I like hornity, I
like the eel of the X. I'm gonna buy that,
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and that's all I need.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Like that my work.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Ye, But what happens if it doesn't, Like, yeah, are
you willing to like take the forty dollars hit and
go that's work. Try I'm gonna try a different grain
or a different bullet.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
That's a good a good point. And there is a
large community like that. I do feel like there is
a growing community of people that they're not hunting like
their grandfathers anymore. They're building rifles, they're buying semi custom rifles,
they're trying different bullets.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
They're here, dude, you're opening up so much right now.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Well, right, chronograph people are more people with chrona grap
it's more people with ballistic calculators. I feel like the
community of the purposefully educated hunter is growing, for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
So do you see that as like the new hunters
that are entering the market or like, is it a
growing is it a result of the growing like access
to information.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
I think it's a little bit of both. I would
say obviously the younger hunter coming up. Generally, that younger
crowd more gear driven, so they're you know, more different
bipods and all that stuff. But I do see an
older community. Like my father's a great example. My father
hunted in the exact same fashion for many decades and
then all of a sudden, well, I'm gonna build some
(08:07):
custom rifles. I better get some first vocal playe mill scopes.
That's dropping big money on.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
How did he come to that realization?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Like, is he seeing what you're doing? Yeah, he's yeah.
He went to a PRS match and was like, oh, kid,
you guys can do this with guns. Well, I guess
I'm gonna have to do that now. And I feel
like he's not you know, that's not a He's not
an exception that that's a pretty standard thing. And uh,
it's access to information.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Is key if right now, it's everything but access to
matches like the NRL Hunter that we're doing here, and
this is my first foray into an NR Hunter match.
I feel like I'm doing good. Like I feel like
like the guns shooting good. The AMMO though, like has
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performed because I'm able to.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Track and it just works in this gun.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
And we put this thing through some heavy work.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
There's heavy winds, there is vertical wind because we're shooting
over cliffs that there's different canyons, and then the spine
we shot on today, depending on what side of the
spine you shot on, you got a left to right
or left. Yeah, And that's that's crazy. Some of the
targets were a tenth of a mill wide. We were
shooting those paride dog targets at nearly three hundred yards
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that were a tenth of a mill wire.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, and it's incredible.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
It's important and managing your gear and all of the
things that go into gear when you're on the in
the stress of a timed environment.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah. Man, well, and I think that's one way that
NRL Hunter matches like kind of separate themselves because you
go into a blind like you're sitting down in a
staging area. You're sitting there and you're going, well, i've
got another like fifteen minutes till my until I'm on
the clock. You haven't seen the stage.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Now you won't see the No one talks about it.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
No, that's one thing I really noticed. Did you notice that?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Yeah, oh, for sure, that's part of the game. Is
game because in the Precision Rifle series type matches, you
get one person comes off the stage, oh, I gave
it six tenths of the mill and I'm running a
six millimeter creed More with a one to eight, so
everybody else goes, oh, oh give it six tenths of
the mill. And this you get the communal aspect before
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the stage, but after the stage you move upstream, so
you move by yourself to the next stage. So I
think that makes you a better shooter. You have to
you have to make a call that's good, to be
forced into that. You have to trust the call, and
you have to make the correction when you're wrong, and
doing all of that together under the stress of being
on the clock trying to get you know, maybe a
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gun that's not feeding or managing the dope on your
arm or finding the targets.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
There's That's one thing that I've noticed, and maybe you
could shed some light on this. So what I'm noticing
from yesterday and today, like say four hundred and six
hundred yards, I'm two tens to three tenths off very consistently. Okay,
so is my gun speeding up?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
No, I would almost guarantee you that's a zero problem.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Really yep.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
If it's consistent at every range, then it's an offset
which would be corrected by zero and a whole other
We could do an hour long podcast on what's called
zero angle and how you set up a rifle with
a data program in set of zero range, you'd set
it up using the departure angle of the barrel. It
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seems complex. It's not quite as bad as it sounds.
But going from you know, we were shooting at K
and M at three hundred feet above sea level. We
verified dope when we got here, but we're shooting at
sixty five hundred feet plus. That's going to be compounded
by a couple of things. One, you will experience some
vertical wind out here and then you are experiencing an
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aerodynamic jump, so the crosswind will increase or decrease your elevation.
There's the elevation opponent of the cross wind, and there's
potential that you do get vertical wind. We're shooting, you know,
you get wind that will when you look at a
big canyon, imagine it being flooded with water and how
the water flows, right, is how the wind's going to flow,
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and so you can get some vertical wind.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah, it's a miracle I hit a target today. Yeah,
because I would sit there and have to think, like, okay,
like the targets that I'm missed two tens off, like
just high, and so like that's God, that's interesting. Like
there's so much that goes into this game, Like Okay,
I'm gonna I got to take a break here. But
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on the other side of the break, like what I
really kind of want to jump into is is one
how do people like what are the limiting factors on
getting into something like this sure and the ballistic calculator
ford off that is out there that Hornity produces and
how easy and how robust it is. Absolutely all right,
(13:01):
So we're gonna jump in that right after this.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Now just diving.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
We're going to take a ninety degree turn and we're
gonna stop talking about NRL Hunter matches. We're gonna jump
into why you would need something from Rossi Maybe like
an R ninety five triple black and thirty thirty Winchester,
a giant pickrail on it, a large lever loop wrapped
in PARACRD synthetic stock. And I'm gonna tell you right now,
(13:32):
it's freaking unreal. It's suppressor and optics ready, so it's
it's cut already. But thirty thirty in Chester barrel length
of sixteen and a half overall inches, This is a
cool one. Thirty thirty was what I took my first
year with. And the Rossi R ninety five in triple
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black is pretty tang solid. You know, you look at
these guns nowadays that they're coming back, and lever guns
have really kind of enjoyed a renewed spirit.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
People are getting into them.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
You know. It's one of those things that honestly, really
the government's not coming after, so it behooves you to
have a couple in your safe.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
And I would say I've shot the Rossi R ninety
five Triple black in thirty third Winchester before and absolutely
I've got.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
One on order. So now I'm just saying you may
want to get it, and I'm you know what, it's
a Walnut action rifle. So I apologize that. But it's
all black, it looks sleek, it's beautiful. But you have
the triple black, beautiful gun ready to rock and Voodoo
the Voodoo X optics from Eotech. Now they have one
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to eight, they have a eight to thirty two, they
have a three and a half to eighteen. Okay, So
from doing this, from doing this match, from doing an
NRL hundred match, what I'm gonna tell you right now
is I would I would probably look at really closely
at the three and a half to eighteen. And the
only reason I would say that is because I would
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I don't think I would use all thirty two power
magnification because you've got to really run the magnification knob
on that you're gonna have to adjust a lot during
these matches. And so at three and a half to
eighteen kind of for me is like the right balance
of it and aircraft graded aluminum on these suckers. They
(15:35):
are nice and a couple of different radical options for you.
But second vocal plane makes it ideal for hunting. And look,
if you're gonna run one of these NRL Hunter matches
and you just want to improve your hunting, run it
as such. Run what you're gonna run. Run your hunting rig, man,
run your hunting rig, because that's how you're gonna learn
(15:57):
more about what you're gonna do in the field rather
than gaming it and all this extra equipment. So and
it's just a friendly kind of FYI. I mean these
are fog resistant, they're shock resistant or water resistant, they
have anti reflective lenses. Just give them a look. I
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promise you they've got a sunshade. They've got everything to
make you successful in the field. Eotech Inc. Dot Com
to find out more. And since we're in the game
of running what you would run in the field, absolutely
have a couple of Remington's seven hundred triggers in my
guns from Timney Triggers. I really like the Elite Hunter version.
(16:44):
It's an adjustable trigger. Actually the factory setting comes at
three pounds, so you can choose your options and how
it comes to you from two pounds all the way
up to four pounds. And if you're shooting a really
high precision match, which, let's be honest, a high precision
match where you're trying to be very precise is no
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different than what you're trying to do in the field.
You heard me right, What you do on practice is
what you should be doing in the field.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
BeO with the animals. One shot, one killed.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
But find out more at Timney Triggers dot com and
check out your next Remy Tan seven hundred trigger and
ruger And they offer the American gen To in so
many different calibers. I'm not going to list them all
because I've already done that and I got winded. I
got really tired on that one. But the standard version
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is probably what is going to be geared towards what
I could see a lot of NRL hunter, especially the
guys that are getting new into this like myself. This
is probably a great option for you because it's got
a spiral fluted barrel, it's got adjustable comb height, and
he's got adjustable length of pool.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Via some spacers.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So when you start looking at that, I mean, and
it's got a spider finished stock.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
But the stock I'm not as much worried about.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
It's the adjustability of the American Gen two that I
really love, but I mean it's threaded, so if you
want to run a brake on it, you can run
their break or if you want to run it as
a suppress gun, you can absolutely run it as a
suppress gun and.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
An adjustable trigger.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
So if you're looking for an option to run your
next NRL Hunter match, this is going to allow you
to meet that factory setting, the factory class, and it's
going to be lightweight, and it's going to be highly accurate,
because every single one that I've shot is very accurate.
And yes, they have them in six milimeters creed More
twenty two arc sixty five creed More, so they offer
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them in those popular calibers that seem to.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Be out there in the NRL Hunter matches. So find
out more at ruger dot com and range Ready.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
You're looking for your next class I highly recommend you
look at range ready Studios dot com for your next
class entry because if you're talking about shooting matches, no
matter if you take a pistol match or a rifle match,
or a USPSA or IDPA, whatever you select, like, especially
like when running these matches, you want to be able
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to press the trigger correctly, and what did you see?
Speaker 3 (19:28):
What did you feel?
Speaker 1 (19:28):
That's one of Chris Serino's like man, that's his gospel
right there. And it all translate whether you take a
pistol class from Range Ready Studios or a rifle class,
they all like the principles of marksmanship apply to everything.
So just think about it. Raine Ready Studios dot Com.
Let's get back to the show.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
All right, We're back.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
With seth of Hornady and I'm not going to butcher
your last name nailed it? Yeah, really want something every day?
All right? Limiting well, okay, limiting factors on someone getting
into like matches like this, because we met a guy today, dude,
(20:14):
first match, and he looked like he was wizzled. Yeah Evan,
I think I think his name was Evan. Evan if
you do watch this, like I'm not talking bad about you,
but like that's like good on him, one hundred percent
coming in like outside your comfort of knowing anybody, like
just coming in and going you know what, like this
(20:34):
is cool? I think I might want to get into it.
I'm sure he shot great today, but like, how what
are the limiting factors that you see on jumping into something.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Like this is different in a specifically different than say
something like the Precision Rifles series uh, in that I
feel like there is less bars of entry I see.
The first and the biggest limiting factors that people get
involved is their own ego is like, is get getting
working up the courage to like I'm gonna register for
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a match and I'm gonna go and I'm not going.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
To I want to get my bud cake.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yeah, it's it's hard to do, and so sometimes getting
out of your own way is the biggest thing. And
then two is there are some equipment things you know
that you need. And what I like about the interval
Hunter specifically with the Skills Division, and you see this
a little bit with PRS, but this interroll Hunter, it's
a hunter. You can come here with a factory Tika
(21:30):
T three with a bipod, a good scope that you
can dial, and a range finder and a pair of binoculars.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
And get it done and you can compete in the match.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
And you know what, the people that win the match
could win the match with that equipment.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
It's not a good point.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
It's not a gear driven game. There are some you know,
like some bipods are better than and some guns maybe,
But you don't need a ton of Gucci gear. You
have a factory secrets, hathic, a factory tika, factory browning.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
So that's one thing that I think a lot of
guys I used to be this guy. I used to
be this guy that get wrapped around the axles of gear.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Like.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
I think that's a very good point because we shot
with a professional day his name is Brady Dude, phenomenal shooter.
And his efficiency and of movement was outstanding. I mean
it was effortless. He knew where he was going to
set his back, his pack, he knew how he set
up his tripod. He moved effortlessly through each single stage
(22:33):
like it was impressed to watch. And you're right, he
could do it with a factory gun. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
One of my favorite sayings, it's the nut behind the bolt,
and that usually works. So some bars of entry you
have to have a rifle that shoots well. I mean yeah,
I would recommend something like six or five creed more.
You could get it done with the three of them.
You could get it done with some more traditional cartridge
if you brought a magnum like a seven bag for example.
(23:01):
Ballistically it would be good, but the recoils a little high. Yeah,
but a prime example would be a Tika T three
in a six or five creed more with a good scope,
you can dial on a sandbag in the back and
you know, tripod tripod.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
It's pretty important.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
I mean yeah, but I feel like a lot of hunters,
especially where we're at right now in Utah, the Western hunter,
the hunter on the Great Plains, that's standard kit. You
don't go hunt.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
That's my standard kit. And I kind of look at
this match as stuff that I would actually use in
the field. And this is going to kind of lead
into ford Off. Is I use ford Off in the field,
like because I don't take a range card, I don't
build out a dope card when I go to the field.
(23:48):
I don't have my hard data in the field. I
have ford Off, Like that's what I use when I
get to camp, I slide in, I range, I get
my environmentals, and I'm going Fordof has it, so always
have access to it. But so explain what Hornity ford
Off is and why it would be useful for someone
(24:08):
in like an NRL situation, PRS situation or a hunting scenario.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Yeah, so pr excuse me.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Ford Off is just a ballistic calculator, and blistic calculators
have been around for a very long time. And one
of the keys, one of the sources of pride for
Hornity is that it's free. There are some paid features
in there that are nice to have that you get
full access to our bullet library and all of you
know the features you need to to use. You're not
using any paid features, and you know it's free of charge.
(24:39):
You can download it iOS or Android. And what makes
it different than any other ballistic calculator is BC blistic coefficient.
We've all heard that BC calculators use ballistic coefficient to
determine your trajectory and it leaves a lot to be desired.
It's not as accurate it and it's not as accurate
(25:01):
over a wide array of environments. And so what Fordoff
uses is drag coefficient solutions, which is the you can
think of it like this, BC is like taking a
snapshot of how your bullet performs. Ford Off takes a
four K video of how your bullet performs. So that's
(25:24):
the different resolution.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
God, yeah, that's pretty big. Yeah, you think of it
that way. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
And another example would be all right. You can think
of a ballistic calculator as like determining how much fuel
you're going to need to drive somewhere. So we need
to know the miles per gallon, right, So if you
drive a Ford Ranger, a BC is like comparing that
Ford Ranger to an F one fifty. They're both trucks,
(25:52):
so it's got this BC. That's not how it is.
Fordoff uses your Ford Ranger to determine miles per gallon.
So it's a much all the finer resolution of how
the board actually performs. And it's free of charge, and
you don't need cell phone reception to use it. Once
you have a downloaded on your phone, you can put
your phone in airplane mode, go into the back country,
(26:12):
and you always have it, always have access.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Yeah, and that's one that's one of the things I
noticed out of here. We have, I mean, out at
the North Springs Range, we have like I have one
bar of LT some types sometimes and I just go
in and and I've got my hard data, but I'll
go in and just verify, like all right, yeah, it's
still matching up, like everything's still the same. So that's
(26:35):
been really nice to be able to access like when
we don't have that good a reception, which is which
is ridiculous to think about. Nowadays they should have freaking
cell phone towers everywhere. Yeah it is everywhere.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
I mean I live in an area where I don't
have cell phone service at my house.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
How do you make that work?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
I love it?
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Wi Fi those now I'm thinking that might be nice.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Yeah, yeah, that would.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Be nice not to have cell phone service in your
own Yeah, crap, connect to Wi Fi. Don't connect.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
But if you want to be disconnected, you're disconnected.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Wi Fi, don't connect. WiFi just don't do it. Yeah. Well,
what's so as your first like real sanction match? Are
you shooting amateur pro? What are you shooting?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
I'm shooting skills as well, just like okay else so
the skills. The reason for that is I wanted all
of the media and all the content creators and all
of the sponsoring companies that are that are part of
this event. I wanted all of us to have fun.
And we're a lot of meat eating, red blooded dudes
out there, and sometimes we have a tendency as a
(27:43):
species to get fixated on competition. Do you whether I
don't care if you're rolling around on the jiu jitsu mats.
There's two guys shooting together in a hayfield. They're going
to get competitive. You get a bunch of testosterone on
a mountain trying to hit your right And so I
wanted it to be, hey, we're not walking price table.
Yes we're keeping score, but let's let's keep it about
(28:04):
what it's get civilized.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yeah, yeah, well it's it's it's more about learning. And
I think I think so skills division is open to everybody,
like if you want to enter your first one, So
that is one hundred percent where I would go for now,
next time I enter an n or hunter match, I
will enter as an amateur.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Open light or something.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Yeah, open light, do something like that that way, like
because I'm I'm not accepting any help right now. Like
Matt Richie absolutely phenomenal shooter. He's doing really well, but
he's he's helping me a little bit because I'm having
having some issues mentally mostly so he's there to talk
me off the edge. He's my emotional support shooter. Yeah,
(28:48):
like I really think I need to have him. I
made a patch. Yeah, he's my emotional support shooter. Like
that would be brilliant for him, Like I just came
up with that, but know, like like having someone that
like and being able to be on skills. And one
thing I noticed and you, I mean you've shot enough
matches to know this across the entire community is if
(29:11):
you're a lower level shooter and you come in, dude,
they will help you succeed. Yeah. Great community.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
We had a young shooter today, first match ever. Uh yesterday,
he's trying to check in, trying to shoot for velocity,
pulls up his binoes cracked right through the lens and
his laser range finding. He's rocking a pair of range
fighting bos that somebody was like, hey, I don't know you, yeah,
but I want you to use these so you have
(29:39):
a good match.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Yeah. Well, and that's I think that's that would be universal.
I think I think if a piece of gear goes in. Well,
I was sitting there and I had a yard cell
on a on a stage and I'm sitting there and
I'm like, man, i feel like I'm missing something, and
here comes my shooting bag. Yeah, my my game changer bag.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Like he's like, oh, you dropped it, you left it all.
And I was like dude, thank you, Like that's incredible.
Like it's such a welcoming community and I just hate
that people get wrapped around the axles the ego, because
to leave your ego at the door, because this is
it's fun. It's an open community.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, it can be fun if you if you let it,
it could be. But I've seen people suck the fun
out of it too, And generally in this community, those
folks they don't stick a numb very long because it's
not fun for them, and it's nobody else is engaging
with them because it's not fun.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
We don't like you.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah right, don't be that guy.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Don't be that guy. Or maybe there's a girl author
that'd be like that. But like, and we've got Jessica
who is in our group. She's doing really good.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
She in the We shot fourteen stages today.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
He's probably kicking on stage is.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
One through five. It was like, all right, you know
we're helping through that. You're gonna be okay. Stage is
five through fourteen.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
She's crushing it, no kid, Yeah she's and she doesn't
get out and do this all the time, like we
have access to I mean, she's in Denver, Colorado, just
moved from California and like she's this isn't her world,
but she's.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Doing it, and she's commersed herself in it.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yeah, like she's doing really well, and that's that's really
cool to see. I mean, we're all shooting the same
hornity one o eight eldms and like they are performing.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
Dude, I'm telling you, guys, I've been telling this to
Jessica all day today this fall. When she's got to
take you know, you get that one shot and it's
three hundred and fifty yards and she can do a
high kneeling shot from a tripod, Oh my god, because
she's already done it one hundred times. Yeah, when you
get that, you get that that hunting situation, it's it's
a chip shot. Last year, she wouldn't have.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
You have just summed up, like what what benefit an
NRL hunter match would do for you? Because am I
probably gonna go out next year in Oklahoma and just
jump out there and take a six hundred yard cold
war shot? I probably won't, but I will tell you
this much. A four hundred, four hundred and fifty yard
shot seems like a chip shot.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
On a tripod. You feel rock solid and again you've
oh you've got that muscle memory. Yeah, you beat the
steel up. You know exactly how it feels, how to
sink in that position and it Yeah, the show's over.
It's you're gonna put that bullet exactly where you want.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
It's done that. I mean, that's the whole point of it.
So all right, seth. I appreciate you, dude, Thanks for
having me, Thanks for having me out man, And I
know you could have gone anywhere you wanted to invite media,
but I really do appreciate it. This has meant a
lot to me. Yeah, because this is something that I
get to pass on to my boys. So I do
love that because they will benefit from this. So all right,
(32:43):
all your gun talk, hunters, you know the drill, keep
those muscles pointing in a safe direction, and always be
on the hind
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