April 26, 2026 • 43 mins
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-- Everyone has seen the video of the attacker rushing past security at the White House Correspondents' Dinner. What lessons can we each learn from that?
-- Todd Blanche, acting Attorney General of the U.S., talks with Tom about gun rights, his plan to help the Second Amendment, and his surprise that his mother has a carry permit!
-- What are the real-world takeaways from this most recent attack on President Trump?Gun Talk
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-- Everyone has seen the video of the attacker rushing past security at the White House Correspondents' Dinner. What lessons can we each learn from that?
-- Todd Blanche, acting Attorney General of the U.S., talks with Tom about gun rights, his plan to help the Second Amendment, and his surprise that his mother has a carry permit!
-- What are the real-world takeaways from this most recent attack on President Trump?Gun Talk
04.26.26 Hour 1
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
All right, let's do this thing. I'm Tom Gresham and
this is Gun Talk. To gather here every week to
talk about guns and shooting and optics and mo and
pistols and rifles and shotguns and of course self defense.
And we want to even talk about the news of
the day, which we will be doing today. Yeah, we
had to make some changes in our lineup today because
the news from last night. We had a guy rush
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the security checkpoint, got through, part of it didn't get
very far, frankly, at the White House Correspondence dinner in Washington,
d C. Of course, you've seen all the videos. They
evacuated the President and the cabinet and all these people
who were there. It's fascinating. And we're now in the
(01:21):
as I'm speaking to you today on Sunday afternoon. We're
in the We don't know anything more about it, but
that doesn't keep us from talking about at stage and
a lot of nonsense about guns and gun control and
should you be able to take a gun on a train? Well,
why isn't this checked?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Well?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Why don't you have to declare this noise? Noise? I
was thinking about this and think, Okay, we saw this
event and everybody's okay right now? Is there a takeaway
for us? And I'm not talking about what should the
Secret Service do or what could they do better, or
what could we do better if we were there? No, no, no, no,
(01:58):
I'm talking about real world stuff that matters to you,
things that can help you, that we can get out
of us event, and there are things we can take
away from this.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Now.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I'm going to get into this a good bit more
in the show today, but I'm not going to turn
the whole show over to this because we have other
things to talk about. But let me just say this.
You've seen by now the video of this guy running
and rushing past security people, secret Service agents, and the
(02:31):
one agent who got completely startled and has to do
a draw from concealment and gets his gun out and
people are saying, wow, I just took him forever and thinking, yeah,
you know, you've never been startled like that. And so
I am now calling that a training film better than
most things you can get on YouTube. And as you
(02:52):
look at that, what are the takeaways? I have some
for you. And I think we can take that training
film and can incorporate it and make ourselves better. And
I'll get to that in just a few minutes. But
I did want to get to this. When I was
at the NA Annual meetings, I had a chance to interview, unbelievably,
(03:13):
the acting US Attorney General. You see him on TV
over the last twenty four hours, Todd Blinch, and we
would grab him and talk to him about guns and
the Second Amendment and the Department of Justice. And then
he had this surprise thing. You got to listen for this.
He talks about being surprised about what his mother just
told him. Here's that interview. All right, it's a real treat.
(03:35):
Right now, we're at the course of the RA Annual
Meetings in Houston, and unbelievably to us, I am so
glad I Todd Blanche is here. He is the acting
US Attorney General. Now that Pam Body is out, you're
feeling that slot now maybe permanently. We don't know. We
did not know, okay, And as you say, with Donald
(03:56):
Trump in church, you never know.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
That's right, That's right. That's why we love him, all right.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Tell everybody a little bit about your background.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
So I'm from Colorado originally, I lived in New York
for a long time. My family, my wife's family, has
been in the gun manufacturing business for forty years. The
manufacturer magazines, a check making checkmate industries.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
So my father in law started it in nineteen sixty
eight sixty nine.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
And so I've been part of this fight, struggle, everything
that we've that we've been going through as a.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Nation for really for forty years.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
So you mean you're part of the gun industry. I
am yeah, okay, but now you're in charge of the
US Department of Justice.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
I am yes.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
So how do you put those together? I know people
are saying, well, why can't you fix everything by the
end of work today? So it takes a while.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
It's a great question.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
So the important thing for everybody to realize is that
the way this country works is regulations, are put in place,
and it takes time to unwind them. And that's a
bad fact, but it's true. And so what we're doing
and what President Trump did on January twentieth, the issued
in executive order and it said very simply, we are
going to restore Second Amendment rights. Okay, so easy, let's
(05:14):
do it. And here we and and but let me
tell you what we have done. At the Department of Justice.
We we hired a law professor who clerk for Justice,
Clarence Thomas, one of the best Second Amendment justices we've
ever had. He is really the only Second Amendment law
professor I think out there.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
He's a genius.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
We hired him and we said, okay, we want you
to go and rework every single regulation consistent with this
President's directive. And and that takes a lot of time.
But I will tell you, and I'm going to say
it tonight when when I when I get a chance
to speak to a lot of other members that we
are days away from releasing that they have been approved
by the President on down.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
And releasing what what are you raising.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
All the new changes to the regulations.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
So so, for example of f fl's will, will will
scream and kick correctly that the regulations that are in
place that make it impossible do their jobs. Everything from
from you know there there's certain signature requirements. Right, you
cannot sell a firearmylestor in person with the person.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Why is that? We have all kinds of ways to
do things. You can get something.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Notarized over the computernically, electronically, you can file your taxes electronically.
How come I cannot sell a gun to you without
violating some regulation that should not exist. So so that's
one example. Some of the other examples that are more
meaningful that that will well, we'll keep for the next week.
But I think that any gun owner, anybody who's in
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the industry, whether you're a manufacturer, whether you're a resaler,
they're going to be to realize that this administration is
going to do more to to to restore rights to
where they belong than any administration in history.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I don't have to tell you a lot of people
on the gun and the gun family, in the gun
culture have been frustrated. They've thought, you know, why can't
we move faster. At the same time, having I've been
in DC worked in DC, things move so slowly in
a certain way. You're actually moving at warp speed right now, Yeah,
(07:15):
because you want to do it right.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
So what we've done going back to Reagan administration is
the gun industry takes two steps forward, and then a
Democrat comes in and takes us eight steps back. And
then we come in and we go two step forward,
and then the next administration comes in. So we're not
gonna do that. We're not gonna take two steps forward.
We're gonna take We're gonna go forward a mile. And
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that means doing it right. So that means making sure
that we're gonna get sued. We're gonna get sued the
day after we release these rags, right, and we don't care.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
That's what we expect.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
But what we want to do is be in a
position to build, defend those lawsuits, and win because we're
doing it the right way. The other thing I'll say
is we have been doing a lot. So whether it's
it's joining lawsuits when states are trying to mess with
your Second Amendment rights. You know, you had administrations, even
Republican administrations, that just stood on the sidelines. We are
not standing on the sidelence. Her Meat Dylan of our
civil rights group. She is filing lawsuits left and right
(08:09):
to defend the sevens.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
She's awesome.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Look what we just are getting front of the Supreme
Court a law in Hawaii that basically removes any gun
owners right to conceal and carry. If we win that,
that not only affects Hawaii, it affects California.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
All all the states have passed similar loss.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Hey, we're gonna win that one.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Amen.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah, I mean all right. So as you look at
the Supreme Court now we're trying to get through to
take a few more cases. We'd love for them at
some point to take a so called assault weapon at
least to semi automatic ban if we can get that done,
because under Heller and Bruin it says you cannot ban
these guns. Right, But the states keep doing that.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
They keep on doing it, and until there's enough lawsuits
that they lose, they're not going to start AR Fifteen's
that that's the best example that is putting aside what
it was thirty years ago. That is a sporting rifle.
That is a rifle that Americans that they have every
right to own like any other firearm.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And it doesn't have to be a sporting rifle. To
fall under the Second Amendment, that doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
But but there's other rigs that that restrict it because
it's not labeled as a sporting rival.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
So we gotta we got to fix those rigs as well.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
And so it's it's something that that that is going
to be a sea change. I think as far as
DJ is concerned in Second Amendment protections, to what extent.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Have you gotten reluctance resistance with n d OJ to
advance in the Second Amendment?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
None?
Speaker 5 (09:32):
And I'm going to say what I mean by that.
You have a president who champions the Second Amendment. His
sons are better shots than.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Any of us.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah, serious, right, people.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
He got the White House Counsel Dave Warranton, who is
the biggest Second Mement proponent you've ever seen. Okay, you
have me, you have Harmeat Dylon, We you have Rob Sakata,
our new hope hopefully soon to be confirmed ATF director.
He owns more guns than probably most people in this
convention center. That's saying a lot. But I'll stand by
and then, like I said, you have this. You have
a general counsel of HF who's a Clarence Thomas Clerk,
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who is devoted to Second Amendment.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
So this, this.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Has never happened before, and we are running on all cylinders.
It took a while because we're you know, we're a
year in, but you know, it takes a while to
get started and we're working.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
So all right, You're walking around the four here at
the Nterra, You're seeing all these people, and I know
you've got security. I had this funny thought. I thought, well,
you know, and you know a lot of people here
walking around carrying guns, but it's the friendliest bunch of
people you'll ever run into.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
And where you go.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Absolutely. I was just with my parents. My mom just
told me for the first time, she has a concealed
carry permit.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Oh you know, that's okay. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
No, that's right, And that's the beauty of That's the
what Americans, Americans know, but sometimes Washington forgets, is that
that's what Gunnar ship is about in this country, and
that's why it works, and that's why that's what President
Trump has said for fifteen years. And that's a New
Yorker saying that. So you know, it's it's it's the
way it's going to be.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
All right, So what your wish list. You're in a
great position right now. You say, Okay, this is what
I would love for us to be able to accomplish
over the next year or two.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
I want to I want change that lasts beyond this administration.
I don't want to. We're working with ATF every day.
They are no longer going after FFLs, they are no
longer there's no longer a zero tolerance policy where if
you do not cross the tea or dot and I,
we're going to shut you down. However, that only helps
for a couple of years. So what my goal is
to is to work to put regulations and do and
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change the Department of Justice approach so that no matter
what happens in three years, it's going to stay longer than.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
It's not just changing policy, because policy can be changed,
you're actually going to change the regulations and such regulations resources.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
So instead of hiring a bunch of guys to go
civil guys to go look at FFLs, we should be
hiring specialations to go arrest robbers. Right, that's what we
should be spending our money on. So that then that's
what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
There. You go, Todd Bees, thank you so much. Not
just for doing the interview. Thank you for what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Thank you. Harfria is great doing it anytime.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
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Speaker 3 (14:49):
All right, we move into current events. We have the shooting,
the attack, the assault, if you will, at the White
House Correspondence Dender last night in Warshton, and the guy
sounds like maybe he got off a shot. We'll see,
there's still some a little bit unclarity helds up for
(15:09):
a word on exactly what happened. We'll get more information,
perhaps probably a lot of takeaways. One of the things
that I was listening to the interview with Todd Blanche
that I did a week or so ago in Houston
at the NRA Show, where he's saying that Department of
Justice is about to release a whole bunch of new
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regulations or undoing regulations on guns. It all sounded great,
and then I thought, wait a minute, with this thing
last night and everybody in the media hollered about guns
and gun control, Dr Jay may back off on that
and postponent if they were planning on doing it this
(15:50):
coming week. My guess is they probably would not release
that information next week, probably would let this other thing
cool down just a little bit in the news cycle.
I have no information on that. I'm just kind of guessing,
having watched this thing for a long time, so I
mentioned going into the show today. And by the way,
(16:12):
if you want to call in on this, by all
means do that, just call me a Tom Talk Gun
if you got a thought about it. As I'm watching
this guy rush the security station in this video, I mean,
this guy's fast. He was running fast, and the Secret
Service agent gets completely surprised and startled, which you would.
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This guy just comes blow it out of nowhere, and
he's wearing a sport coat orsuit and this agent has
to reach in and draw from concealment and gets his
gun out while he's spinning around while he's almost falling down.
And I was littered at that, and the words came
back to me that I have repeated so often here
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that when we first created our show Person Defender, where
we put people into self defense situation. So I said, look, well,
here two things all the time. Those two things are
after the scenario, after they get attacked. I never thought
of that. And the one that everybody says is wow,
that happens so fast. Well, yes, and we can mock
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that and say obviously, because if it happened slowly, it
wouldn't be much of an attack, and you would just
walk around away from it or avoid it. Attacks generally
happened quickly. So let's take those two things and see
what can we do with those, what can we pull
from those where we could get some advantage out of
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this whole thing. We're looking at this video of this
guy racing past the cigaret serviceation and he just having
draws gun out. He actually did a pretty good job
a geting his gun out and getting it up. My
question to you and base, Okay, what I'm going to
do I'll call to action hear, is how much do
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you practice your draw if you are look, I get it.
Not everybody. In fact, most people don't carry a gun.
Most people don't do concealed carry. I understand that. And
if you don't, if it's not right for you, that
it's not right for you. I would argue that I
think you're probably making a mistake, but it's your mistake
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to make. It's your life and the life of the
people around you that you care about. And you're saying no,
I'm not going to do that. Cool, you figure that
out for yourself. But if you are a person who carries,
and a lot of people do tens of millions of
people do carry? How much do you practice? How often
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do you practice? And of course that'll lead us into
a conversation about the difference between training and practice. They are,
in fact two different things. If you're training, there's an
instructor involved. That's the easiest way I can think I
have to explain it. Going to the range and shooting
by yourself or with your buddies is not training. It's practice,
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and that's good, that's worthwhile. But you need the training first,
so you need to know that way you'll know what
to practice. Otherwise you may just be grooving some really
bad habits. Boy, I see it all the time, horrible habits.
How do you put your hand on the gun in
the holster? That's one step. What do you do with
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your other hand while you're reaching for your gun? You go, huh, well, yeah,
you're the gun. That's not going to the hand. Rather,
that's not going to the gun. It has a specific
place it needs to be. If you don't know where
it's supposed to be, you haven't had the right training.
Let me just tell you right now, that other hand
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that off end you got to go right to the
middle of your chest or to your back belt buckle.
Why is that so that when you get a good
firing grip. Oh, let me say that again, a fire
reading grip on the gun while it's in the holster.
That way, when it comes out, you're not fumbling around
with it. I had to clean up my act on
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that one. You're not fumbling around with it and trying
to get a good grip on the gun as you
are drawing it. No, you get a good grip on
the gun in the holster before it comes out with
your other hand, your support hand against your chest, and
then that gun comes straight up out of your holster.
I'm assuming at three o'clock at this point. If you're
doing an appendix carry, you can make it work for
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you too. And then you marry your two hands up
right there next to your chest, right next to your chest,
not out there somewhere in front of you, because if
you have that support hand waving out in front of
you somewhere and then the gun tries to find that
so you can get the two handed grip, inevitably you're
going to points your muscle at your hand. Jerry, A
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bad idea kind of violates one of the basic rules.
Probably a lot of them, so you get some training
on how to do this. And they like to say, look,
when you come out of your class, you are Let's
just assume you are at one. The next day you're
at ninety nine percent, and the next day you're at
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ninety eight percent, and so on and so forth. Do
you practice your draw daily? Yes, daily, because otherwise you're
dropping off a percent. You ought to spend five or
ten minutes doing dry practice with an unloaded gun. Please
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practice your draw practice from concealment. Doesn't have to be fast,
although it should be relatively fast because you should be
at that level. Practice drawing from concealment, getting it out
and get it on target. Press the trigger with the
gun pointed in a safe direction with a triple checked
unloaded gun. Daily practice. I don't know. You tell me
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it's important. Of course it's important. Otherwise you're gonna be slow.
Otherwise you're gonna behind the curve. Otherwise that guy's gonna
run right past you, or maybe run up on top
of you and maybe stick a knife in your chest.
Happens every day. Eight six y six talk gun, be
right back, all right back for here here, Tom Gresher,
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you can give you a call eight six to six
talk gun. Let me get something said here. I want
to get this out. An attack on the July elected
president is an attack on the presidency, is an attack
on the democratic process, is an attack on the country.
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And it doesn't matter who is the elected president. Okay,
put that in your pipe and smoke it. Let's go. Okay,
David dropped about that. David, we had this attack in
DC and the guy reportedly had a handgun and a
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shotgun and some knives, And of course the usual characters
are losing their minds with the fact that he was
able to travel cross country with firearms. How could you
travel cross country with firearms and not have to declare them? Well,
how can you travel with a typewriter or a computer
or a phone without declaring it? First Amendment? Second same thing? People?
Good lord? Why shotgun? Well, there are a lot of
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people that don't know much about shotguns. I actually had
somebody said, well, a shotgun only has two shots, right, Well, no,
double world has only two shots. A pump or automatic
could have eight, ten, twelve, fourteen, depending on how it's configured.
Each one could have nine to twenty projectiles in each shell.
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So it's not exactly a cluster bomb, but it's it's
close to it something you can handhold. The idea. It
sounds like he was trying to shoot members of the cabinet,
the people to support people. Yeah, if you could get Trump, fine,
but he wanted to shoot other people too. We'll get
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more information as to go along. And I was talking
about the idea that we all of us, each of us,
can get some information, get some valuable information. Training, some
takeaways if you will, from watching the video of this
guy running past the Secret Service agents. And my thing
was just look, it happens very quickly, very quickly, one second,
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two second, three seconds, and in five seconds it's over.
Whatever it was. Do you practice your draw every day
and you know it doesn't You don't have to spend
an hour doing it. You can spend five minutes doing it.
I mean literally five minutes, says you're set the time
on your phone. In five minutes, you can practice a
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lot of different draws. Start slow, make sure your basics
are there, go through the motions as you have been trained.
I hope you've been trained. Work on side alignment, good site, picture, trigger, press,
and oh, by the way, with every shot fired or
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every dry fire fire, you have two site pictures. You
have the site picture before it goes off, and you
have the site picture after it goes off. I see
people all the time, In fact, the vast majority of people,
they fire a shot and they're dropping the gun back down.
Actually is the SHOT's going off, no follow through whatsoever.
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Imagine that you have to fire another shot that the
bad guy may not be impressed with your first shot.
He may decide I'm just going to keep heading towards you.
So if you fire once, you get two site pictures.
If you fire twice, you get three site pictures. Every
shot has two site pictures. So put that into your
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dry fire mix so that every time it goes click,
you're still holding the sites on the target for like
a count of one, you know, one thousand and one.
Hold it okay, come back to the holster, then draw again, click,
hold that site picture. And you need have something to
aim at, some specific small thing to get a good
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site picture and hold on to it when you're dry firing,
preferably someplace where. If you totally screwed up and everything
went wrong and you launched a bullet, it wouldn't kill anybody.
It would go into a bookcase or a gun safe
or something that woul stop a bullet, or at least
something that you find to be not as expensive and
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catastrophic as other things. Is that another layer that's unnecessary,
That there's no unnecessary layers of security and safety. Here's
another thought for you. You know, of course, the people
who were in the hall, three thousand of them, they
say they couldn't carry guns, so they didn't have anything
to shoot back with, But that doesn't mean they couldn't
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have safety equipment with them. I just checked her in
the break just to make sure, because I was pretty
sure I had it with me. But I mean, I'm
at my house in my studio and I've got a
tourniquet and compressed gauze in a pocket in my pants
right here walking around the house. Why, I don't know.
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I don't know what could happen, something anything. It's just
part of what I do, it's part of who I am.
One of the things that would very much encourage you
to do, and it's free almost everywhere is take one
of those stop the bleed classes the Red Cross offers
of a lot of places offer them. It's seriously about
a half day class it's nothing. If you can stop bleeding,
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you can save a life. So imagine you were in
a place like that and somebody comes in and shoots
somebody and they're bleeding a lot. Shooting's over, but the
bleeding is still going on. If you have a basic
kit and basic skills, you have the ability to stop
the bleeding and save a life. Whether it's a tourniquet
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or gauze or whatever, you have got to know how
to use it, though just having it doesn't get it
done for you. It's really cheap to get a good tourniquet.
Make that part of your everyday carry, whether it's on
a pouch, on your belt or in my case, I
wear cargo pants. I've kind of switched over, I actually,
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and I was reluctant to do this. I used to
be stylish then now I'm not because I dressed to
carry guns and to carry tourniquets and gauze and stuff.
So I wear cargo pants and I'm either wearing some
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kind of a fleece vest or some kind of a
vest or a shirt tail that's untucked. And I used
to tuck in all the time, but I just I
changed all that. Now I understand that where I am
and what I do for work, I can do that.
Maybe you can't. Maybe you got to go a different way.
But all I'm doing is saying that you got to
think about this stuff. What could I do? How could
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I accommodate that?
Speaker 4 (29:28):
There are.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
What do they call it hifax individual first aid kits
that kind of work like an ankle holster. You wrap
it around your ankle and with velcrow and elastic and
its traps on, and so no matter what you wear it.
If you're wearing long pants, you can have your individual
first aid kit with you everywhere you go. You're simple stuff,
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tournique gauze. Maybe the gauze has hemostatic stuff on it,
like quick cloth. Maybe it does. I had an er
doc says, look at that stuff helps a little bit.
But honestly, just using the gauze works. You got a
big old length of this stuff and you start shouting
in the hole, let it start absorbing, and then of
course keep packing things on top of it if necessary.
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You learn all this and you stop the bleed class.
My I guess the takeaway I'm trying to share is,
rather than get caught up in the what what did
the secret service do Why did this guy do this?
What you know? There's just all this noise going on.
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There is no benefit to you trying to find the
individual benefit in all of this. What can I get
out of this still sales question of what's in it
for me? Well, what's in it for me? Is this
thing happened? I can look at it. I can say, huh,
look what just happened. I could learn something from this?
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What could I learn from this? Oh? Wow, it happened
really quickly. I probably should work on my draw to
make it speedy you and to make sure that I
can always get a good, firm fire and grip on
my gun every single time. If the last time you
tried that was six months ago with the range, trust
me when I say it's gonna really be bad. When
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you try, it's gonna suck. You don't have their Those
skills are still in your head, but they're not in
your hands anymore, and it will take some time to
get them back. If, on the other hand, you put
five minutes a day in and in five minutes you
can do fifty just pick a number, fifty good draws,
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maybe one hundred good draws. Like I said, they don't
have to be lightning fast. You're just working on the movement.
You're working on getting your hand back to your gun,
getting your off hand to the middle of your chest,
marrying your hands up, pressing forward, picking up the side
of the dot, whichever you use, getting a good side
aligne and a good trigger, press hole that side alignment.
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Then relax. You don't want to get into the habit,
because we know from experience, from looking at a lot
of law enforcement shootings, you will do in the real
world what you have practiced. You don't want to get
in the habit of fire the shot and then relax
and put the gun right back in the holster. There
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being people who've been in a gunfight who shot wants
to put the gun right back in the holster and
the fight still underway, seriously, because that's all they ever
practice is draw a shoot and put the gun right
back in the holster. Get ready for the next one.
Punch the timer, get the good splits, get a good
time on that. They shoot and shove the gun right
back in the holster. What are you practicing. You're practicing
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the after the shot the bad guy, I'm going to
holster my gun, no matter what's going on. No matter
if he's still in the fight or he's got somebody
still coming at me or whatever, I'm gonna holster my gun.
I don't know why. Well, I'm getting ready for the
next draw soon as I reset my timer. We call
them training scars, practicing things that will hurt you. In
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the old days, in costs we're using revolvers, there were
cops that at the range, they would they would knock
the empties out of the revolver into their other hand,
put them in their pocket, saving the brass for reloading,
instead of just knocking the brass out and let it
hit the ground and then reloading. And there were cops
found after a gunfight with their pockets full of brass
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because in the middle of a gunfight they're saving their
brass for reloading, because that's the only thing they've ever done.
They've always trained that way. The stuff you'll learn from
reading all these books. If you can get like it's
Reell those books on gunfighting, he's a real gunfighter. If
you can go look I you know you've heard me
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say this. If you can get to one of the
top training schools, great, But a lot of times it
involves travel. It certainly involves money, and it certainly involves
an investment of time, and that's tough. But maybe you
go to a place that's local, find someplace, ask you
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know what, ask around. Ask your sheriff's department, not necessarily
the police department, but ask the sheriff's department. Number one.
If they provide training, some of them do, and if
they don't, who does and who they would recommend. They're
liable to have a pretty good handle on who's doing
a good job with self defense gun training. If you're
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trying to find someplace where can I go, it might
be a source to call and asks say, hey, you
know who would you guys recommend? They must tell Yeah,
John over there does that. Here's a good job with that. Okay, cool,
we'll do that. Hey, if you want to talk about this,
by all means giving me a shout eight to sixty six,
talk gun or Tom talk gun. Also looking for your
range reports. Where have you've been out shooting? I I
(35:03):
am still trying to figure this thing out. I'm getting
ready for my gun sight class. I'm going to take
it a couple of weeks. I'm going down for the
Jeff Cooper Memorial shoot using nineteen elevens, iron sights and
leather holsters. It's basically classic cars, if you will. And
I had a couple of my nineteen elevens I sent
to day at Fink's Gunsmithing, and that's the shop right
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there at gun Sight, and they came back. They looked great,
and they you know, he did a lot of cool stuff.
But one of them my Commander. It's a lightweight commander.
It's one of the old smith and Western scandiums, and
it was Sarah Codd And I don't know if it's
a Sarah coode of what's going on. I've had several
instances of the slide not going all the way back
into bar battery, and so yesterday I gave it a
(35:48):
really thorough cleaning and we'll try it again tomorrow. We'll
go back and try it again because I shot it
and it was when it was blowing stuff. I was
getting brass and crud and everything, so it was dirty.
I was oil ent like crazy. But it may have
just been there's too much junk in there. If that's
not it, I'm gonna ask Dave what he recommends. And
I don't know if maybe putting some lapping compound on
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the slide on the rails and just working it like crazy.
If that is a thing, I'm just gonna ask him
what he recommends and say, look right now, it's I
would not carry the gun right now because I've had several,
like half a dozen times when the slide didn't go
all the way forward. Now, the other pistol I got
from Dave, he runs like the proverbial sewing machine. It
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is like glass and stone, coal, accurate and a trigger.
It's like, I'm thinking, Ooh, is that too light? No,
it's not, but I wouldn't want it any lighter. It's
really nice and it's shoot's great. And I had him
put the gold dot front side on those, and I
really like those. And then of course I've got my
(36:56):
cylinder and slide forty five that Bill Lawford's bit for me.
So I got a couple of full sized forty five's
I'll take down because you got to have one and
you should have a second of backup because your gun
goes down in the middle of the class. So we'll see.
I'm just tinkering with that. So I'm spending a lot
of my time and effort middle time on nineteen eleven's
right now. And yet when I went out last night,
(37:20):
got left the house and went out to dinner, I
put on a double stack striker fired polymer pistol columba hypocrite.
I don't care. It's just it's what I wanted to
carry at the time. It was smaller, it was lighter,
and it fit what I was wearing when I went out.
I am not married to one or the other, and
your choice is your choice. Sometimes I will carry a
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nineteen eleven, if only because I like the platform, I
like the way they look, I like the way they feel,
and I completely understand the handicap that you give yourself
with less emma. Is it a real handicap? I don't know.
Could be, certainly, it could be in a certain circumstance,
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and I can come up with those in my head.
Most cases, having nine or ten rounds in your gun
is probably enough. When I am carrying a single stack
nineteen eleven, I also carry two extra magazines with me,
so I have either not eight and eight or ten
and ten, depending on off it's a nine or forty
(38:24):
five extra, just different choices. But look, I mean, I
may grab the Rugger RXm or a six P three
sixty five or the Smith Bodyguard two point zero. What
a sweet little bitty gun that is in three eighty
just depends. And you know I'm an equal opportunity pistol
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carrier and I will do all of that. How do
you decide what you're going to carry? Or do you
are you smarter than me? Do you carry just one
gun all the time? That would probably be the wiest
thing to do. Number here is eight sixty six Talk
gun or time talk gun. We're talking about the takeaways.
What did you learn? What can you learn from watching this?
Where I call it like a training video. Man, it
(39:06):
happened so fast, all right. This story is just breaking
right now. No, not the one out of Washington, DC
from last night. This happened right now in Nashville, Tennessee.
A DoorDash driver shot and killed a suspect who shot
(39:28):
and injured him during an attempted carjacking. This was the
DoorDash driver pulled into the parking lot at Walgreens, walked
over to the Chick fil A to pick up the
order he's going to be delivering. As he's walking back,
this guy goes up to him with a gun he's
going to carjacking. I guess they get in the car
(39:49):
and then the DoorDash driver pulls his gun. So the
carjacker shoots the door Dash driver in the leg, and
the door Dash driver shoots the carjacker in a more
appropriate place and kills him. DRT. They're taking the DoorDash
driver to the hospital. They say they think he will
(40:10):
be okay. Yeah, it happens so fast. Probably door Dash
who will fire this driver that ranks in the I
don't care category as far as that guy's concerned. Now,
does it bother me that they have a policy that
(40:31):
they can't carry yet? It's stupid. What would be more
stupid is if you worked as a DoorDash driver and
you paid any attention to that policy. You're carrying money around,
you're carrying cash. You're a target. People get carjacked, they
get robbed at gunpoint, and obviously these carjackers are willing
(40:55):
to shoot you. Well, you could say, well, I could
have just let him take the car. Yeah, that's true.
On this given day, he decided not to. He decided, nope,
I am not going to be a victim today, and
I don't have to because I can't prepared for exactly this.
(41:16):
That wouldn't even surprise me if wasn't this DoorDash driver's
first time of being robbed. So if you are a
pizza delivery person or doordass driver or whatever, you got
to provide your own protection. Oh gee, that would be
for all of us, wouldn't it, Because we are our
own first responders and there's nobody else who is dedicated
(41:38):
to committed to are required to protect us. Yeah, in
case you weren't aware, the courts have ruled numerous times
that the police have no legal duty to protect anyone. Yeah. Really,
they sit there and watch you get raped or murdered.
(42:00):
I can't assume them because they didn't protect you because
they're not required to. He gotta love it. The court says, yes,
they have a legal duty to protect everyone, but they
don't have a legal duty to protect anyone individual. I
don't know. So there you go. Coming up, we had
(42:20):
a lot of fun stuff coming up. We're gonna be
talking about cool clay target thing from Clay. What do
they call it, the clay copter, That's what they call
it from Caldwell. It's like a hoarybird, kind of a
crazy target for wingshooting or were also going to have
her Meat dellon coming up. She's the Assistant US Attorney
General in charge of Civil Rights Division, which is also
(42:41):
Second Amendment, but the fine part of that. Do you
remember when she posted pictures online of her shooting and
people were making fun of her groups they weren't very good.
She took a lot of heat over that. She said, yeah,
you know my Marshall Service protected. People said, you know,
we're just a the street from an FBI shooting range.
(43:03):
She says, so that's where I shoot. Now I shoot
with the FBI. I'm thinking, yeah, that's going to work.
She's got her glocks that she likes, so yeah, Harmie Dillon,
she's the real deal. That's kind of that goes well,
and then we're going to get an update on what's
going on in Virginia. It's a freaking mess. It is
one of those elections have consequences lessons. We'll have an
(43:24):
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Speaker 3 (00:37):
All right, let's do this thing. I'm Tom Gresham and
this is Gun Talk. To gather here every week to
talk about guns and shooting and optics and mo and
pistols and rifles and shotguns and of course self defense.
And we want to even talk about the news of
the day, which we will be doing today. Yeah, we
had to make some changes in our lineup today because
the news from last night. We had a guy rush
(01:00):
the security checkpoint, got through, part of it didn't get
very far, frankly, at the White House Correspondence dinner in Washington,
d C. Of course, you've seen all the videos. They
evacuated the President and the cabinet and all these people
who were there. It's fascinating. And we're now in the
(01:21):
as I'm speaking to you today on Sunday afternoon. We're
in the We don't know anything more about it, but
that doesn't keep us from talking about at stage and
a lot of nonsense about guns and gun control and
should you be able to take a gun on a train? Well,
why isn't this checked?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
Well?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Why don't you have to declare this noise? Noise? I
was thinking about this and think, Okay, we saw this
event and everybody's okay right now? Is there a takeaway
for us? And I'm not talking about what should the
Secret Service do or what could they do better, or
what could we do better if we were there? No, no, no, no,
(01:58):
I'm talking about real world stuff that matters to you,
things that can help you, that we can get out
of us event, and there are things we can take
away from this.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
Now.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I'm going to get into this a good bit more
in the show today, but I'm not going to turn
the whole show over to this because we have other
things to talk about. But let me just say this.
You've seen by now the video of this guy running
and rushing past security people, secret Service agents, and the
(02:31):
one agent who got completely startled and has to do
a draw from concealment and gets his gun out and
people are saying, wow, I just took him forever and thinking, yeah,
you know, you've never been startled like that. And so
I am now calling that a training film better than
most things you can get on YouTube. And as you
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look at that, what are the takeaways? I have some
for you. And I think we can take that training
film and can incorporate it and make ourselves better. And
I'll get to that in just a few minutes. But
I did want to get to this. When I was
at the NA Annual meetings, I had a chance to interview, unbelievably,
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the acting US Attorney General. You see him on TV
over the last twenty four hours, Todd Blinch, and we
would grab him and talk to him about guns and
the Second Amendment and the Department of Justice. And then
he had this surprise thing. You got to listen for this.
He talks about being surprised about what his mother just
told him. Here's that interview. All right, it's a real treat.
(03:35):
Right now, we're at the course of the RA Annual
Meetings in Houston, and unbelievably to us, I am so
glad I Todd Blanche is here. He is the acting
US Attorney General. Now that Pam Body is out, you're
feeling that slot now maybe permanently. We don't know. We
did not know, okay, And as you say, with Donald
(03:56):
Trump in church, you never know.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
That's right, That's right. That's why we love him, all right.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Tell everybody a little bit about your background.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
So I'm from Colorado originally, I lived in New York
for a long time. My family, my wife's family, has
been in the gun manufacturing business for forty years. The
manufacturer magazines, a check making checkmate industries.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
So my father in law started it in nineteen sixty
eight sixty nine.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
And so I've been part of this fight, struggle, everything
that we've that we've been going through as a.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
Nation for really for forty years.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
So you mean you're part of the gun industry. I
am yeah, okay, but now you're in charge of the
US Department of Justice.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
I am yes.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
So how do you put those together? I know people
are saying, well, why can't you fix everything by the
end of work today? So it takes a while.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
It's a great question.
Speaker 5 (04:50):
So the important thing for everybody to realize is that
the way this country works is regulations, are put in place,
and it takes time to unwind them. And that's a
bad fact, but it's true. And so what we're doing
and what President Trump did on January twentieth, the issued
in executive order and it said very simply, we are
going to restore Second Amendment rights. Okay, so easy, let's
(05:14):
do it. And here we and and but let me
tell you what we have done. At the Department of Justice.
We we hired a law professor who clerk for Justice,
Clarence Thomas, one of the best Second Amendment justices we've
ever had. He is really the only Second Amendment law
professor I think out there.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
He's a genius.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
We hired him and we said, okay, we want you
to go and rework every single regulation consistent with this
President's directive. And and that takes a lot of time.
But I will tell you, and I'm going to say
it tonight when when I when I get a chance
to speak to a lot of other members that we
are days away from releasing that they have been approved
by the President on down.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
And releasing what what are you raising.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
All the new changes to the regulations.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
So so, for example of f fl's will, will will
scream and kick correctly that the regulations that are in
place that make it impossible do their jobs. Everything from
from you know there there's certain signature requirements. Right, you
cannot sell a firearmylestor in person with the person.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Why is that? We have all kinds of ways to
do things. You can get something.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Notarized over the computernically, electronically, you can file your taxes electronically.
How come I cannot sell a gun to you without
violating some regulation that should not exist. So so that's
one example. Some of the other examples that are more
meaningful that that will well, we'll keep for the next week.
But I think that any gun owner, anybody who's in
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the industry, whether you're a manufacturer, whether you're a resaler,
they're going to be to realize that this administration is
going to do more to to to restore rights to
where they belong than any administration in history.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I don't have to tell you a lot of people
on the gun and the gun family, in the gun
culture have been frustrated. They've thought, you know, why can't
we move faster. At the same time, having I've been
in DC worked in DC, things move so slowly in
a certain way. You're actually moving at warp speed right now, Yeah,
(07:15):
because you want to do it right.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
So what we've done going back to Reagan administration is
the gun industry takes two steps forward, and then a
Democrat comes in and takes us eight steps back. And
then we come in and we go two step forward,
and then the next administration comes in. So we're not
gonna do that. We're not gonna take two steps forward.
We're gonna take We're gonna go forward a mile. And
(07:36):
that means doing it right. So that means making sure
that we're gonna get sued. We're gonna get sued the
day after we release these rags, right, and we don't care.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
That's what we expect.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
But what we want to do is be in a
position to build, defend those lawsuits, and win because we're
doing it the right way. The other thing I'll say
is we have been doing a lot. So whether it's
it's joining lawsuits when states are trying to mess with
your Second Amendment rights. You know, you had administrations, even
Republican administrations, that just stood on the sidelines. We are
not standing on the sidelence. Her Meat Dylan of our
civil rights group. She is filing lawsuits left and right
(08:09):
to defend the sevens.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
She's awesome.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Look what we just are getting front of the Supreme
Court a law in Hawaii that basically removes any gun
owners right to conceal and carry. If we win that,
that not only affects Hawaii, it affects California.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
All all the states have passed similar loss.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Hey, we're gonna win that one.
Speaker 4 (08:27):
Amen.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah, I mean all right. So as you look at
the Supreme Court now we're trying to get through to
take a few more cases. We'd love for them at
some point to take a so called assault weapon at
least to semi automatic ban if we can get that done,
because under Heller and Bruin it says you cannot ban
these guns. Right, But the states keep doing that.
Speaker 5 (08:44):
They keep on doing it, and until there's enough lawsuits
that they lose, they're not going to start AR Fifteen's
that that's the best example that is putting aside what
it was thirty years ago. That is a sporting rifle.
That is a rifle that Americans that they have every
right to own like any other firearm.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
And it doesn't have to be a sporting rifle. To
fall under the Second Amendment, that doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
But but there's other rigs that that restrict it because
it's not labeled as a sporting rival.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
So we gotta we got to fix those rigs as well.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
And so it's it's something that that that is going
to be a sea change. I think as far as
DJ is concerned in Second Amendment protections, to what extent.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Have you gotten reluctance resistance with n d OJ to
advance in the Second Amendment?
Speaker 4 (09:31):
None?
Speaker 5 (09:32):
And I'm going to say what I mean by that.
You have a president who champions the Second Amendment. His
sons are better shots than.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Any of us.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Yeah, serious, right, people.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
He got the White House Counsel Dave Warranton, who is
the biggest Second Mement proponent you've ever seen. Okay, you
have me, you have Harmeat Dylon, We you have Rob Sakata,
our new hope hopefully soon to be confirmed ATF director.
He owns more guns than probably most people in this
convention center. That's saying a lot. But I'll stand by
and then, like I said, you have this. You have
a general counsel of HF who's a Clarence Thomas Clerk,
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who is devoted to Second Amendment.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
So this, this.
Speaker 5 (10:08):
Has never happened before, and we are running on all cylinders.
It took a while because we're you know, we're a
year in, but you know, it takes a while to
get started and we're working.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
So all right, You're walking around the four here at
the Nterra, You're seeing all these people, and I know
you've got security. I had this funny thought. I thought, well,
you know, and you know a lot of people here
walking around carrying guns, but it's the friendliest bunch of
people you'll ever run into.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
And where you go.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Absolutely. I was just with my parents. My mom just
told me for the first time, she has a concealed
carry permit.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
Oh you know, that's okay. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
No, that's right, And that's the beauty of That's the
what Americans, Americans know, but sometimes Washington forgets, is that
that's what Gunnar ship is about in this country, and
that's why it works, and that's why that's what President
Trump has said for fifteen years. And that's a New
Yorker saying that. So you know, it's it's it's the
way it's going to be.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
All right, So what your wish list. You're in a
great position right now. You say, Okay, this is what
I would love for us to be able to accomplish
over the next year or two.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
I want to I want change that lasts beyond this administration.
I don't want to. We're working with ATF every day.
They are no longer going after FFLs, they are no
longer there's no longer a zero tolerance policy where if
you do not cross the tea or dot and I,
we're going to shut you down. However, that only helps
for a couple of years. So what my goal is
to is to work to put regulations and do and
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change the Department of Justice approach so that no matter
what happens in three years, it's going to stay longer than.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
It's not just changing policy, because policy can be changed,
you're actually going to change the regulations and such regulations resources.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
So instead of hiring a bunch of guys to go
civil guys to go look at FFLs, we should be
hiring specialations to go arrest robbers. Right, that's what we
should be spending our money on. So that then that's
what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
There. You go, Todd Bees, thank you so much. Not
just for doing the interview. Thank you for what you're doing.
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Thank you. Harfria is great doing it anytime.
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Speaker 3 (14:49):
All right, we move into current events. We have the shooting,
the attack, the assault, if you will, at the White
House Correspondence Dender last night in Warshton, and the guy
sounds like maybe he got off a shot. We'll see,
there's still some a little bit unclarity helds up for
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a word on exactly what happened. We'll get more information,
perhaps probably a lot of takeaways. One of the things
that I was listening to the interview with Todd Blanche
that I did a week or so ago in Houston
at the NRA Show, where he's saying that Department of
Justice is about to release a whole bunch of new
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regulations or undoing regulations on guns. It all sounded great,
and then I thought, wait a minute, with this thing
last night and everybody in the media hollered about guns
and gun control, Dr Jay may back off on that
and postponent if they were planning on doing it this
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coming week. My guess is they probably would not release
that information next week, probably would let this other thing
cool down just a little bit in the news cycle.
I have no information on that. I'm just kind of guessing,
having watched this thing for a long time, so I
mentioned going into the show today. And by the way,
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if you want to call in on this, by all
means do that, just call me a Tom Talk Gun
if you got a thought about it. As I'm watching
this guy rush the security station in this video, I mean,
this guy's fast. He was running fast, and the Secret
Service agent gets completely surprised and startled, which you would.
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This guy just comes blow it out of nowhere, and
he's wearing a sport coat orsuit and this agent has
to reach in and draw from concealment and gets his
gun out while he's spinning around while he's almost falling down.
And I was littered at that, and the words came
back to me that I have repeated so often here
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that when we first created our show Person Defender, where
we put people into self defense situation. So I said, look, well,
here two things all the time. Those two things are
after the scenario, after they get attacked. I never thought
of that. And the one that everybody says is wow,
that happens so fast. Well, yes, and we can mock
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that and say obviously, because if it happened slowly, it
wouldn't be much of an attack, and you would just
walk around away from it or avoid it. Attacks generally
happened quickly. So let's take those two things and see
what can we do with those, what can we pull
from those where we could get some advantage out of
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this whole thing. We're looking at this video of this
guy racing past the cigaret serviceation and he just having
draws gun out. He actually did a pretty good job
a geting his gun out and getting it up. My
question to you and base, Okay, what I'm going to
do I'll call to action hear, is how much do
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you practice your draw if you are look, I get it.
Not everybody. In fact, most people don't carry a gun.
Most people don't do concealed carry. I understand that. And
if you don't, if it's not right for you, that
it's not right for you. I would argue that I
think you're probably making a mistake, but it's your mistake
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to make. It's your life and the life of the
people around you that you care about. And you're saying no,
I'm not going to do that. Cool, you figure that
out for yourself. But if you are a person who carries,
and a lot of people do tens of millions of
people do carry? How much do you practice? How often
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do you practice? And of course that'll lead us into
a conversation about the difference between training and practice. They are,
in fact two different things. If you're training, there's an
instructor involved. That's the easiest way I can think I
have to explain it. Going to the range and shooting
by yourself or with your buddies is not training. It's practice,
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and that's good, that's worthwhile. But you need the training first,
so you need to know that way you'll know what
to practice. Otherwise you may just be grooving some really
bad habits. Boy, I see it all the time, horrible habits.
How do you put your hand on the gun in
the holster? That's one step. What do you do with
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your other hand while you're reaching for your gun? You go, huh, well, yeah,
you're the gun. That's not going to the hand. Rather,
that's not going to the gun. It has a specific
place it needs to be. If you don't know where
it's supposed to be, you haven't had the right training.
Let me just tell you right now, that other hand
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that off end you got to go right to the
middle of your chest or to your back belt buckle.
Why is that so that when you get a good
firing grip. Oh, let me say that again, a fire
reading grip on the gun while it's in the holster.
That way, when it comes out, you're not fumbling around
with it. I had to clean up my act on
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that one. You're not fumbling around with it and trying
to get a good grip on the gun as you
are drawing it. No, you get a good grip on
the gun in the holster before it comes out with
your other hand, your support hand against your chest, and
then that gun comes straight up out of your holster.
I'm assuming at three o'clock at this point. If you're
doing an appendix carry, you can make it work for
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you too. And then you marry your two hands up
right there next to your chest, right next to your chest,
not out there somewhere in front of you, because if
you have that support hand waving out in front of
you somewhere and then the gun tries to find that
so you can get the two handed grip, inevitably you're
going to points your muscle at your hand. Jerry, A
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bad idea kind of violates one of the basic rules.
Probably a lot of them, so you get some training
on how to do this. And they like to say, look,
when you come out of your class, you are Let's
just assume you are at one. The next day you're
at ninety nine percent, and the next day you're at
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ninety eight percent, and so on and so forth. Do
you practice your draw daily? Yes, daily, because otherwise you're
dropping off a percent. You ought to spend five or
ten minutes doing dry practice with an unloaded gun. Please
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practice your draw practice from concealment. Doesn't have to be fast,
although it should be relatively fast because you should be
at that level. Practice drawing from concealment, getting it out
and get it on target. Press the trigger with the
gun pointed in a safe direction with a triple checked
unloaded gun. Daily practice. I don't know. You tell me
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it's important. Of course it's important. Otherwise you're gonna be slow.
Otherwise you're gonna behind the curve. Otherwise that guy's gonna
run right past you, or maybe run up on top
of you and maybe stick a knife in your chest.
Happens every day. Eight six y six talk gun, be
right back, all right back for here here, Tom Gresher,
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you can give you a call eight six to six
talk gun. Let me get something said here. I want
to get this out. An attack on the July elected
president is an attack on the presidency, is an attack
on the democratic process, is an attack on the country.
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And it doesn't matter who is the elected president. Okay,
put that in your pipe and smoke it. Let's go. Okay,
David dropped about that. David, we had this attack in
DC and the guy reportedly had a handgun and a
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shotgun and some knives, And of course the usual characters
are losing their minds with the fact that he was
able to travel cross country with firearms. How could you
travel cross country with firearms and not have to declare them? Well,
how can you travel with a typewriter or a computer
or a phone without declaring it? First Amendment? Second same thing? People?
Good lord? Why shotgun? Well, there are a lot of
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people that don't know much about shotguns. I actually had
somebody said, well, a shotgun only has two shots, right, Well, no,
double world has only two shots. A pump or automatic
could have eight, ten, twelve, fourteen, depending on how it's configured.
Each one could have nine to twenty projectiles in each shell.
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So it's not exactly a cluster bomb, but it's it's
close to it something you can handhold. The idea. It
sounds like he was trying to shoot members of the cabinet,
the people to support people. Yeah, if you could get Trump, fine,
but he wanted to shoot other people too. We'll get
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more information as to go along. And I was talking
about the idea that we all of us, each of us,
can get some information, get some valuable information. Training, some
takeaways if you will, from watching the video of this
guy running past the Secret Service agents. And my thing
was just look, it happens very quickly, very quickly, one second,
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two second, three seconds, and in five seconds it's over.
Whatever it was. Do you practice your draw every day
and you know it doesn't You don't have to spend
an hour doing it. You can spend five minutes doing it.
I mean literally five minutes, says you're set the time
on your phone. In five minutes, you can practice a
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lot of different draws. Start slow, make sure your basics
are there, go through the motions as you have been trained.
I hope you've been trained. Work on side alignment, good site, picture, trigger, press,
and oh, by the way, with every shot fired or
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every dry fire fire, you have two site pictures. You
have the site picture before it goes off, and you
have the site picture after it goes off. I see
people all the time, In fact, the vast majority of people,
they fire a shot and they're dropping the gun back down.
Actually is the SHOT's going off, no follow through whatsoever.
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Imagine that you have to fire another shot that the
bad guy may not be impressed with your first shot.
He may decide I'm just going to keep heading towards you.
So if you fire once, you get two site pictures.
If you fire twice, you get three site pictures. Every
shot has two site pictures. So put that into your
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dry fire mix so that every time it goes click,
you're still holding the sites on the target for like
a count of one, you know, one thousand and one.
Hold it okay, come back to the holster, then draw again, click,
hold that site picture. And you need have something to
aim at, some specific small thing to get a good
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site picture and hold on to it when you're dry firing,
preferably someplace where. If you totally screwed up and everything
went wrong and you launched a bullet, it wouldn't kill anybody.
It would go into a bookcase or a gun safe
or something that woul stop a bullet, or at least
something that you find to be not as expensive and
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catastrophic as other things. Is that another layer that's unnecessary,
That there's no unnecessary layers of security and safety. Here's
another thought for you. You know, of course, the people
who were in the hall, three thousand of them, they
say they couldn't carry guns, so they didn't have anything
to shoot back with, But that doesn't mean they couldn't
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have safety equipment with them. I just checked her in
the break just to make sure, because I was pretty
sure I had it with me. But I mean, I'm
at my house in my studio and I've got a
tourniquet and compressed gauze in a pocket in my pants
right here walking around the house. Why, I don't know.
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I don't know what could happen, something anything. It's just
part of what I do, it's part of who I am.
One of the things that would very much encourage you
to do, and it's free almost everywhere is take one
of those stop the bleed classes the Red Cross offers
of a lot of places offer them. It's seriously about
a half day class it's nothing. If you can stop bleeding,
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you can save a life. So imagine you were in
a place like that and somebody comes in and shoots
somebody and they're bleeding a lot. Shooting's over, but the
bleeding is still going on. If you have a basic
kit and basic skills, you have the ability to stop
the bleeding and save a life. Whether it's a tourniquet
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or gauze or whatever, you have got to know how
to use it, though just having it doesn't get it
done for you. It's really cheap to get a good tourniquet.
Make that part of your everyday carry, whether it's on
a pouch, on your belt or in my case, I
wear cargo pants. I've kind of switched over, I actually,
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and I was reluctant to do this. I used to
be stylish then now I'm not because I dressed to
carry guns and to carry tourniquets and gauze and stuff.
So I wear cargo pants and I'm either wearing some
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kind of a fleece vest or some kind of a
vest or a shirt tail that's untucked. And I used
to tuck in all the time, but I just I
changed all that. Now I understand that where I am
and what I do for work, I can do that.
Maybe you can't. Maybe you got to go a different way.
But all I'm doing is saying that you got to
think about this stuff. What could I do? How could
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I accommodate that?
Speaker 4 (29:28):
There are.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
What do they call it hifax individual first aid kits
that kind of work like an ankle holster. You wrap
it around your ankle and with velcrow and elastic and
its traps on, and so no matter what you wear it.
If you're wearing long pants, you can have your individual
first aid kit with you everywhere you go. You're simple stuff,
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tournique gauze. Maybe the gauze has hemostatic stuff on it,
like quick cloth. Maybe it does. I had an er
doc says, look at that stuff helps a little bit.
But honestly, just using the gauze works. You got a
big old length of this stuff and you start shouting
in the hole, let it start absorbing, and then of
course keep packing things on top of it if necessary.
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You learn all this and you stop the bleed class.
My I guess the takeaway I'm trying to share is,
rather than get caught up in the what what did
the secret service do Why did this guy do this?
What you know? There's just all this noise going on.
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There is no benefit to you trying to find the
individual benefit in all of this. What can I get
out of this still sales question of what's in it
for me? Well, what's in it for me? Is this
thing happened? I can look at it. I can say, huh,
look what just happened. I could learn something from this?
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What could I learn from this? Oh? Wow, it happened
really quickly. I probably should work on my draw to
make it speedy you and to make sure that I
can always get a good, firm fire and grip on
my gun every single time. If the last time you
tried that was six months ago with the range, trust
me when I say it's gonna really be bad. When
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you try, it's gonna suck. You don't have their Those
skills are still in your head, but they're not in
your hands anymore, and it will take some time to
get them back. If, on the other hand, you put
five minutes a day in and in five minutes you
can do fifty just pick a number, fifty good draws,
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maybe one hundred good draws. Like I said, they don't
have to be lightning fast. You're just working on the movement.
You're working on getting your hand back to your gun,
getting your off hand to the middle of your chest,
marrying your hands up, pressing forward, picking up the side
of the dot, whichever you use, getting a good side
aligne and a good trigger, press hole that side alignment.
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Then relax. You don't want to get into the habit,
because we know from experience, from looking at a lot
of law enforcement shootings, you will do in the real
world what you have practiced. You don't want to get
in the habit of fire the shot and then relax
and put the gun right back in the holster. There
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being people who've been in a gunfight who shot wants
to put the gun right back in the holster and
the fight still underway, seriously, because that's all they ever
practice is draw a shoot and put the gun right
back in the holster. Get ready for the next one.
Punch the timer, get the good splits, get a good
time on that. They shoot and shove the gun right
back in the holster. What are you practicing. You're practicing
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the after the shot the bad guy, I'm going to
holster my gun, no matter what's going on. No matter
if he's still in the fight or he's got somebody
still coming at me or whatever, I'm gonna holster my gun.
I don't know why. Well, I'm getting ready for the
next draw soon as I reset my timer. We call
them training scars, practicing things that will hurt you. In
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the old days, in costs we're using revolvers, there were
cops that at the range, they would they would knock
the empties out of the revolver into their other hand,
put them in their pocket, saving the brass for reloading,
instead of just knocking the brass out and let it
hit the ground and then reloading. And there were cops
found after a gunfight with their pockets full of brass
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because in the middle of a gunfight they're saving their
brass for reloading, because that's the only thing they've ever done.
They've always trained that way. The stuff you'll learn from
reading all these books. If you can get like it's
Reell those books on gunfighting, he's a real gunfighter. If
you can go look I you know you've heard me
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say this. If you can get to one of the
top training schools, great, But a lot of times it
involves travel. It certainly involves money, and it certainly involves
an investment of time, and that's tough. But maybe you
go to a place that's local, find someplace, ask you
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know what, ask around. Ask your sheriff's department, not necessarily
the police department, but ask the sheriff's department. Number one.
If they provide training, some of them do, and if
they don't, who does and who they would recommend. They're
liable to have a pretty good handle on who's doing
a good job with self defense gun training. If you're
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trying to find someplace where can I go, it might
be a source to call and asks say, hey, you
know who would you guys recommend? They must tell Yeah,
John over there does that. Here's a good job with that. Okay, cool,
we'll do that. Hey, if you want to talk about this,
by all means giving me a shout eight to sixty six,
talk gun or Tom talk gun. Also looking for your
range reports. Where have you've been out shooting? I I
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am still trying to figure this thing out. I'm getting
ready for my gun sight class. I'm going to take
it a couple of weeks. I'm going down for the
Jeff Cooper Memorial shoot using nineteen elevens, iron sights and
leather holsters. It's basically classic cars, if you will. And
I had a couple of my nineteen elevens I sent
to day at Fink's Gunsmithing, and that's the shop right
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there at gun Sight, and they came back. They looked great,
and they you know, he did a lot of cool stuff.
But one of them my Commander. It's a lightweight commander.
It's one of the old smith and Western scandiums, and
it was Sarah Codd And I don't know if it's
a Sarah coode of what's going on. I've had several
instances of the slide not going all the way back
into bar battery, and so yesterday I gave it a
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really thorough cleaning and we'll try it again tomorrow. We'll
go back and try it again because I shot it
and it was when it was blowing stuff. I was
getting brass and crud and everything, so it was dirty.
I was oil ent like crazy. But it may have
just been there's too much junk in there. If that's
not it, I'm gonna ask Dave what he recommends. And
I don't know if maybe putting some lapping compound on
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the slide on the rails and just working it like crazy.
If that is a thing, I'm just gonna ask him
what he recommends and say, look right now, it's I
would not carry the gun right now because I've had several,
like half a dozen times when the slide didn't go
all the way forward. Now, the other pistol I got
from Dave, he runs like the proverbial sewing machine. It
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is like glass and stone, coal, accurate and a trigger.
It's like, I'm thinking, Ooh, is that too light? No,
it's not, but I wouldn't want it any lighter. It's
really nice and it's shoot's great. And I had him
put the gold dot front side on those, and I
really like those. And then of course I've got my
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cylinder and slide forty five that Bill Lawford's bit for me.
So I got a couple of full sized forty five's
I'll take down because you got to have one and
you should have a second of backup because your gun
goes down in the middle of the class. So we'll see.
I'm just tinkering with that. So I'm spending a lot
of my time and effort middle time on nineteen eleven's
right now. And yet when I went out last night,
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got left the house and went out to dinner, I
put on a double stack striker fired polymer pistol columba hypocrite.
I don't care. It's just it's what I wanted to
carry at the time. It was smaller, it was lighter,
and it fit what I was wearing when I went out.
I am not married to one or the other, and
your choice is your choice. Sometimes I will carry a
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nineteen eleven, if only because I like the platform, I
like the way they look, I like the way they feel,
and I completely understand the handicap that you give yourself
with less emma. Is it a real handicap? I don't know.
Could be, certainly, it could be in a certain circumstance,
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and I can come up with those in my head.
Most cases, having nine or ten rounds in your gun
is probably enough. When I am carrying a single stack
nineteen eleven, I also carry two extra magazines with me,
so I have either not eight and eight or ten
and ten, depending on off it's a nine or forty
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five extra, just different choices. But look, I mean, I
may grab the Rugger RXm or a six P three
sixty five or the Smith Bodyguard two point zero. What
a sweet little bitty gun that is in three eighty
just depends. And you know I'm an equal opportunity pistol
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carrier and I will do all of that. How do
you decide what you're going to carry? Or do you
are you smarter than me? Do you carry just one
gun all the time? That would probably be the wiest
thing to do. Number here is eight sixty six Talk
gun or time talk gun. We're talking about the takeaways.
What did you learn? What can you learn from watching this?
Where I call it like a training video. Man, it
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happened so fast, all right. This story is just breaking
right now. No, not the one out of Washington, DC
from last night. This happened right now in Nashville, Tennessee.
A DoorDash driver shot and killed a suspect who shot
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and injured him during an attempted carjacking. This was the
DoorDash driver pulled into the parking lot at Walgreens, walked
over to the Chick fil A to pick up the
order he's going to be delivering. As he's walking back,
this guy goes up to him with a gun he's
going to carjacking. I guess they get in the car
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and then the DoorDash driver pulls his gun. So the
carjacker shoots the door Dash driver in the leg, and
the door Dash driver shoots the carjacker in a more
appropriate place and kills him. DRT. They're taking the DoorDash
driver to the hospital. They say they think he will
(40:10):
be okay. Yeah, it happens so fast. Probably door Dash
who will fire this driver that ranks in the I
don't care category as far as that guy's concerned. Now,
does it bother me that they have a policy that
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they can't carry yet? It's stupid. What would be more
stupid is if you worked as a DoorDash driver and
you paid any attention to that policy. You're carrying money around,
you're carrying cash. You're a target. People get carjacked, they
get robbed at gunpoint, and obviously these carjackers are willing
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to shoot you. Well, you could say, well, I could
have just let him take the car. Yeah, that's true.
On this given day, he decided not to. He decided, nope,
I am not going to be a victim today, and
I don't have to because I can't prepared for exactly this.
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That wouldn't even surprise me if wasn't this DoorDash driver's
first time of being robbed. So if you are a
pizza delivery person or doordass driver or whatever, you got
to provide your own protection. Oh gee, that would be
for all of us, wouldn't it, Because we are our
own first responders and there's nobody else who is dedicated
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to committed to are required to protect us. Yeah, in
case you weren't aware, the courts have ruled numerous times
that the police have no legal duty to protect anyone. Yeah. Really,
they sit there and watch you get raped or murdered.
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I can't assume them because they didn't protect you because
they're not required to. He gotta love it. The court says, yes,
they have a legal duty to protect everyone, but they
don't have a legal duty to protect anyone individual. I
don't know. So there you go. Coming up, we had
(42:20):
a lot of fun stuff coming up. We're gonna be
talking about cool clay target thing from Clay. What do
they call it, the clay copter, That's what they call
it from Caldwell. It's like a hoarybird, kind of a
crazy target for wingshooting or were also going to have
her Meat dellon coming up. She's the Assistant US Attorney
General in charge of Civil Rights Division, which is also
(42:41):
Second Amendment, but the fine part of that. Do you
remember when she posted pictures online of her shooting and
people were making fun of her groups they weren't very good.
She took a lot of heat over that. She said, yeah,
you know my Marshall Service protected. People said, you know,
we're just a the street from an FBI shooting range.
(43:03):
She says, so that's where I shoot. Now I shoot
with the FBI. I'm thinking, yeah, that's going to work.
She's got her glocks that she likes, so yeah, Harmie Dillon,
she's the real deal. That's kind of that goes well,
and then we're going to get an update on what's
going on in Virginia. It's a freaking mess. It is
one of those elections have consequences lessons. We'll have an
(43:24):
update from Cam Edwards on that. Why don't you be
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