May 24, 2026 • 44 mins
In This Hour:
-- YouTube has shut down another channel from a gun company. Greg Buchel explains what happened to the Big Horn Armory channel, and why that's part of an ongoing effort by the streaming platform to throw out firearms content.
-- Can you shoot a hostage taker? How do you do it?
-- Another convert to the real benefits of an honest gun belt.
Gun Talk 05.25.26 Hour 1
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-- YouTube has shut down another channel from a gun company. Greg Buchel explains what happened to the Big Horn Armory channel, and why that's part of an ongoing effort by the streaming platform to throw out firearms content.
-- Can you shoot a hostage taker? How do you do it?
-- Another convert to the real benefits of an honest gun belt.
Gun Talk 05.25.26 Hour 1
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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He was the first and he's still the best. For
thirty years. Tom Gresham has been your trusted source on
all things Mollistic, new guns, Second Amendment, personal protection, deep
part of it, Paul, Tom talk gun Now Here's Tom.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Hi, Yes, indeed it is in fact me I am
live today. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
We've been doing remote. We do a record show. We
had Ryan filling. I've been traveling but having a good time.
But of course it's all bit about guns and going
places and doing things and shooting guns and having a
good time and looking at new guns and theo good
old guns and learning new things. Been doing a lot
of learning recently and I'll tell you about that training,
both in guns and other things. So just finished three
days of training and flying airplanes in the back country
(01:18):
in Idaho. It's kind of a lot of parallels I'll
draw for you because I think there's some similar things
when it comes to risk management and decision making. We'll
talk a little bit about that. Of course, as always,
it's your time to call in, and you can call
it anytime you want to. Eight six six Talk Gun
or Tom Talk Gun. That's the magic number. I'm Tom Gresham,
I'm your host. This is Gun Talk. I've been doing
(01:39):
this for thirty one years now on the radio, and
of course we have thousands of videos we put out.
You can find them over on YouTube and Facebook, and
of course our new network, Slash channel Shooting Sports Life,
which you can get actually streaming on your own TV.
Just add on like you do Prime or Netflix or
something like that. It's called Shooting Sports Life. Of things
(02:00):
to talk about, it's just a lot of things going
on we want to talk about, and I want to
open it up for you. Whether it's a question or
a comment or something I said you disagree with, by
all means, let's do that. Or if you just want
to share a story about a gun you like that
you took out and you shot, or maybe he took
some friends out to the range, and you had some
(02:21):
fun with him. We just were kind of sitting around
the big old campfire here and having a good old time.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
So there you go.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
In the continuing culture war when it comes to firearms
and guns and gun rights. There are a lot of
different fronts on this war, a lot of things going on,
and some of them people don't recognize as being important
when they actually are. Because if you lose the culture war,
you lose the Second Amendment. I know, people say, well,
(02:49):
we got the Second Amendment, it's in the Constitution. Well
yet it is until it's not. Is it possible to
lose enough of the culture to where you lose the
Second Amendment solutely without a doubt. It's why I'm always
talking about what the news is doing, what the so
called journalists are doing when they're representing guns, and the
(03:10):
stories they tell and the lies they tell, and the
misrepresentations about self defense with guns, and it goes on
and on. And one of the areas where it's important
and yet almost invisible is a lot of times what
you don't see, maybe not what you're seeing, but what
you're not seeing out there. And joining me to talk
(03:31):
about something that just happened to them. It's happened to
others to Greg Buckle joins us from Big Horn Armory.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Greg, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
I appreciate you taking time out of your three day
weekend to join.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Us here job my pleasure to be with you again.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
You bet all right? So we know through several years
of what's going on over on YouTube. YouTube is not
a gun friendly environment, although they allow if you wild
gun centric channels, and you had a good YouTube channel
going until just a few days ago, and then they
just slammed you for it, didn't it.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
They pretty much they terminated us about two weeks ago
for videos that had been on there for years.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
What did they tell you?
Speaker 5 (04:20):
I mean, for those who don't know, when you're on YouTube,
they have a process where they issue you a strike,
and they have changed their rules as they go along.
And then they used the new rules to go back
and look at videos you posted ten years ago and say, oh,
that video from way back then violates the new rules.
That's a strike against you. And it's almost like dealing
(04:45):
with this entity that you can't even communicate with, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Well, totally you know, they offer a process called reviewing,
and you could appeal and all have fun stuff. And
you know you asked them, well, what did we do wrong?
You know, tell us, you know we'll be's the corrected.
Never get an answer, They just they just go it's
(05:12):
a strike. Too bad, you're out right, and it's not.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Like you say, well, you know you've got to time out. No,
they have wiped out your channel that you've spent years
and years building, and all of your followers on your channel,
and it's just all gone overnight, just like somebody in
Singapore or Malaysia or someplace flip the switch.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
It's just gone.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
Absolutely, I can't even access the back end pages anymore.
If I wanted to get my videos off, I couldn't now,
thank god, after the first strike, I took all the
videos off and copied them off. But if I hadn't
done that, it'd all be completely gone because they won't
even let me access to the back end channel.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
And so what happens. Obviously you're not the first person
this has happened to. It's happened to a lot of
gun tubers, a lot of people putting messages out and
as they change the rules, they'll say, well you know, yeah,
two years ago it was fine for you to pick
up a gun. Now our policy is on live streaming videos,
you can't touch a gun, you can't pick it up,
and if you do, I mean literally can't pick it up,
(06:19):
that would be a strike against you. And it's hard
to know what's going on. But Greg, if you would
talk about this, because people now they don't see news
about Big Horn Armor, your company, and your very cool guns.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
And it is just as though you disappeared.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
It's like you had all this signage on the road
and somebody came along overnight and took down all your
signs and now people can't find you.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
That's essentially the truth.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
You know.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Fortunately, YouTube is not our only place, and we kind
of kind of expected this stuff because we had seen
it happen to some affiliates friends of ours, gunblasts dot com.
They got terminated late last year pretty much the same
kind of deal. You know, it's all old videos, so
(07:11):
we were kind of figuring YouTube YouTube was going to
go away for as sooner or later, and it went
away sooner, but we kind of planned for it, Thank goodness.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
If you would tell people about Bighorn Armory, well, we
make big bore lever guns and ars, fifty caliber stuff,
five hundred Smith and Wesson for sixty Smith and Wesson,
the line blog calibers.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
That's pretty much about it. But we make kind of
bespoke guns. Our guns are a cut above the average gun.
We really nice would and we hand polish everything. We
do everything back the old school way that you to
be done back in the late eighteen hundreds when you
(08:04):
had skilled craftsmen all over. We have skilled craftsmen too,
and we produced really pretty guns.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
You do it, you do it.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
They're gorgeous and neil and as you will recognize, it's
not something that modern manufacturers can do mass produced because
it costs too much and you can't find enough people
who could do the kind of hand work that you
have to do on your guns.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
That is true. I mean, we're fortunate we're in Wyoming
and it's a very gun friendly state, and we probably
have more gunsmiths in our area of Wyoming per capita
than anywhere else in the world. I mean, you know,
we put an add out for a new for a
gunsmith and we get half a dozen responses right away.
(08:52):
You couldn't get that in most places. And these guys
are skilled guys. They're not you know, they're not rookies.
So it's kind of fun.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Yeah, and you're in code. It's not like you're in
a major population base there.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Well that's very true. But again, the culture here is
a whole lot different than most places. It's a gun culture.
Everybody has gone.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
And you know, to the I wanted to make a
point that people say, what's the big deal about having
a fifty caliber you know, cartridge? People should run if
they can run the numbers on the surface area of
a forty four magnum, which is really a point four
to two nine, it's not a forty four, it's a
four point thirty. Really, the surface area of the bullet
(09:34):
of that versus the surface area of a five hundred
and it is enormous.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
It is so much different. It hits so much harder.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
It's demonstrable and noticeable when you shoot something with that.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
I can tell you it's thirty four percent bigger. I
mean thirty you know, it's like you don't think about it,
you know, think about back in the day guys should
eat buffalo hunters. What did they use? They use forty
five seventies fifty calibers they use big stuff and they'd
shoot long distance, and you know, they were fairly slow
(10:09):
moving bullets because it's all black powder. But they still
they penetrate like no tomorrow and you go through it
and they kill. They were killing bison. Bison's one of
the toughest animals on the planet. I mean, Cape buffalo's
are probably a little tougher. Elephants are a little tougher.
Our guns have taken those animals too, But bison, if
(10:33):
you have a big bullet, you could take anything. Yeah,
you don't have to worry about it, and you don't
have to chase them either. Well.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
The other thing is, if you have a big bullet,
you don't have to have an expanding bullet. You can
make that a hard cast lead and it just penetrates
like crazy and makes the big.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Hole while does it absolutely, I mean, you know, it's
a win win situation. I use it as my dear
gun it considerably, you know what. I Since I shifted
to a big boar as a deer hunting rifle, I
have not chased the deer. They've never taken more than
(11:13):
three steps, you.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Know, and Greg or something else that people don't understand.
When you shoot a deer with like a five hundred
Smith and West and using lead bullets, you actually tear
up less meat than you do with a high velocity
expanding bullet, don't you.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
That is very very true. There's a very you could
eat almost up to the to the wold.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
All right, well Alberke said you could eat right to
the hole.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Yeah, a quarter inch margin around that is questionable, but
everything else is just fine.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Well, you make beautiful guns, and they are aspirational. If
people said, boy, I'd love to have a really nice
lever action and say, you know, you got to go
look at the big Horn Army I mean it's at
a price point that's higher than what you're going to
pay for the store bought stuff a lot of times.
But if you're looking for a gun that you can say,
this is a bucket list item and you make.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
Them, well we do. And you know what, it's one
other thing to consider. We think. You know, you buy
a big Horn Armory gun, you're buying it for several
generations down the road because they're still going to be
using it, because it's going to work. They don't break.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Well, YouTube's not going to hurt you because you make
good stuff and the word keeps getting out there. So
but I did want you to tell the story.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Greg. I appreciate it, and I appreciate your time today. Tom.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
There's my pleasure, indeed, and there's a wonderful time to
talk to you and have a wonderful Memorial day.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
All right, you have a great time too. All right,
thank you, sir. All right, we are open lines now.
If you want to join us. Anything on your mind
you want to talk about, let's do it. We can
talk about big bore stuff. We can talk about gun fighting,
because I do want to talk about my time at
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Give me a call it, Tom.
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All right back with me here eight six six Talk
Gun or Tom Talkgun to get you in here, I'm
Tom Gresham. You can check us out over on YouTube.
You've got gun Talk over there. But you know, we
actually have more viewers for our videos on Facebook of
all things look for gun Talk or gun Talk Media,
and we just I got to brag on the folks
(16:16):
down in Louisiana. It's a small crew in terms of
number of people, but they outperform a lot of companies
that have several times more employees.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Just hit a million followers on.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Facebook, which is huge, and honestly, I will tell you,
we saw what was going on at YouTube some years ago.
It started making a transition and putting a lot more
into Facebook into other platforms, and no Rumbles not really
an alternative. I know everybody said we'll put it on Rumble.
There's not many people there really, and so we're really
(16:54):
working Facebook. And of course we've created our own network,
our own channel. You can put it on your smart TV.
It's called Shooting Sports Life. You can just look it
up Shooting SportsLife dot com and figure out how to
get that on your TV. And that's not streaming where
you click on different videos. It's actually like a regular
all style TV channel where there's shows running all the time.
(17:15):
You just turn it on and catch whatever's running, and
then there's the next show or the next show and
the next show. And it's all about guns and shooting
and competition and hunting and things like that. So fun stuff.
But anyway, the folks down Louisiana are doing great work.
Of course, we have rains Ready Studios there. I'm looking
right now cast some classes coming up May thirty. We
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(18:00):
All right, let's go grab ray on line three out
of Brewster, New York. Right your own gun talk. What's up?
Speaker 12 (18:07):
Well, Tom, I have I guess you can call it
a range report. It started at a.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Range I was at.
Speaker 12 (18:14):
I was in Danbury, Connecticut. They have a fifty yard range,
twenty five year old range. And there's this guy with
a very hefty pistol twenty seven four range. Now that's
not a featherweight, and everybody else is having trouble with
their belts and their oldest this guy not a bit.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
And I watched them and said, where'd you get that belt?
Speaker 12 (18:34):
So you wrote down the company name ko r E
Essentials of Courus.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I swear.
Speaker 12 (18:42):
To god, I would hate to get with one.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Of these things.
Speaker 12 (18:46):
And it's so hard.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
I used. I had to use ten sniffs that normally
go right.
Speaker 12 (18:53):
Through sheet metal, and I had to fight with this
belt to cut it down the side. But once I
got set up, I said, this thing doesn't shift, doesn't slide,
doesn't sag, doesn't pull, doesn't do nothing. Now I understand
what you appreciate.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
For all these years, all these years I've been saying,
get a good gun belt. It made such a difference.
You could carry a big, heavy gun and it's not uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Right.
Speaker 12 (19:22):
Oh no, I mean he looks he looks fine with
that with that big smith.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
I mean my nineteen eleven rides in it like it's
a feather.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
It's funny, don't you find people say well, I have
a wide belt, and they go, yeah, I've got a
white belt, but it's this flimsy, thin wide belt, and
somehow they think they have something adequate. And then when
you first, actually use a real, no kidding, made for
the purpose gun belt. It's like somebody turned on the
lights and you're going, oh, now I get it.
Speaker 12 (19:58):
Oh yes, now now I'm appreciate the gospel for what
do you think some.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Now?
Speaker 7 (20:05):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Now you have the problem that I have.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
You get to try to explain to people why they
need a better belt, and they did what.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I already have a.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Belt, and it's it's kind of hard to explain to
people until they experienced it. Once they experience it, you
don't tell them anymore.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
But you know, you.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Become the person out there who's the evangelist trying to
preach the message. Well, good luck with that great range report.
Thank you, sir, I appreciate that. Let's rear russ On too,
he's out of Mississippi. Hey, russ your own gun talk?
Speaker 13 (20:35):
Hey are you I am quote about?
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Yeah? Go ahead.
Speaker 13 (20:45):
I read a good article in Guns magazine a couple
weeks ago about an individual named Buckskin Bill, and I
was very intrigued. It was an excellent article, and you know,
he was just a very fascinating person. Got the looking
online about more art as far as I saw where
your fither had written a had gone and visited out
(21:05):
there at his compound and wrote a big article on him.
I just I just wanted to ask if you ever
get to meet him or know anything about him, or.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
I did not? I did.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Yeah, I did not meet buckskin Bill. The real name
was Sylvan Hart. He was quite the character. Actually, I
flew over his place two days ago. I was out
doing some training flying in the back country and we
went over buckskin Bill's place. But people can people can
look it up. But buckskin Bill was fascinating left on
(21:35):
the Salmon River, on the main Salmon River in Idaho,
and Dad actually did a video with him or about
him for his TV show. And if you're flirting the
river there and a lot of people do rafting trips,
and they stopped there and they've got a little museum
and all that, and they show a little video on
VHS tape about buckskin Bill. And who in the world
(21:57):
is it. It's my dad and his video that they're
showing in the middle of nowhere in Idaho. But yeah,
if you look up buckskin Bill for anybody else that's interested,
he was a fascinating guy, built his own guns, lived
down in the middle of nowhere, as a lot of
people did. I don't know what his backstory was, but
a lot of people out in the back country here,
(22:18):
this is as far as they could run, and they
just kind of turned their back and this is where
they're gonna live. Reminds it reminds me a lot of
Alaska that way. All right, eight six six talk gun
or Tom talk gun. Gets you injured, we're open lines,
give me a holler. We'll talk about guns.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
All right, back with you.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Tom gresham Et six y six talk gun or Tom
talk gun. Either way, same number, just different ways of
saying it.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Let's these Zan.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Called in out of North Carolina. Hello, Zan, you got
a story about a quitter you shot?
Speaker 14 (22:52):
Yeah? Tom? How you doing?
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Man?
Speaker 14 (22:54):
I listen to you every Sunday. Yeah, we gotter. I'm
not much of a killer, but we've had a raccoon
noosance problem them for the beginning of this coming warm season.
And I ended up trapping one the other night, and
and instead of losing the fight with a pair of gloves,
I decided to offer him with a twenty two long
(23:15):
rifle revolver and I put two in him right out
of the gate, and he went down. But when I
cleaned him.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
The slugs.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
I mean that's.
Speaker 14 (23:25):
Point blank with a twenty two long rifle probably six
inch barrel, and they didn't even go through the second
side of the skin. And it's by a shoulder or
neck shot is where I took him out. And I
was surprised to see that that slug still inside the
raccoon's body. So to talked about a tough animal, Well,
they are.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Tough, and of course twenty two sometimes will penetrate. Well,
I mean, what you're describing is something that we kind
of know, is that you never know exactly what's going
to happen. We say, well, I've got whatever it does,
thirty out six or six y five creed board that'll
take care of it. Well, it does until don't. And
that's why we're always ready to shoot a critter again.
But in your case, I'm kind of with you, like
(24:05):
you're thinking, man probably should have gone all the way
through that animal, just point blank wings like that.
Speaker 14 (24:12):
I would have thought, because I was worried about knocking
a piece of wire out on my on my my
live trap on the other side. But no, the slugs
didn't even go completely through the animal.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
I'll be done. Have you talking about your raccoon problem.
Have you had any evidence so far of rabies?
Speaker 14 (24:31):
No? No, we have not. And I'm like, we've got
acreage that we deem as a wildlife sanctuary. I don't hunt,
and primarily I just don't, and we don't let anybody
hunt the acreage. It's just we just let the animals
live there. I'm an animal lover, but I eat animals,
don't get me wrong. But the raccoon still is really good.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Yeah, I understand, but yeah, because I mean we had
a problem when I was in Louisiana. I mean we
had a rabid raccoon in the backyard. I mean it
was clearly kind of just and around and typically what
happens is the back legs start to go out on them,
and it was very clear what was going on. I said,
you know, we got kids, dogs, everything else in the neighborhood.
So I took my twenty two out and shot it
(25:11):
and took care of it, and then of course handle
it with a shovel. I wasn't going to pick that
thing up because it was I had no doubt whatsoever
it had rabies.
Speaker 14 (25:21):
Right exactly, and I wasn't going to lose the fight
with with a pair of gloves, so.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I just wouldn't know.
Speaker 14 (25:26):
You know, the animal did not have rabies or always
really smart and astute and sleep.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Yeah, yeah, and that'n't you know the deal. They will,
they will get habituated, they will come right in, they
will become a real nuisance. So you sometimes you just
have to do it, even if that's not what you
want to do.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
You just have to.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
I appreciate the call, sir, and a good info, but yeah,
who knows what any particular load's going to do. I mean,
I had a cop tell me about a guy who
got shot right in the chest with a forty four magnum.
The guy stood up out of his chair after getting shot,
when got in his car and drove about fifty yards
before he ran into a telephone poland died with a
forty four magnum. You're thinking, well, that doesn't make any sense, Well, no,
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it really doesn't. You never know exactly what's going to happen.
It's why we train to shoot until there's no threat,
which kind of brings me to the first of a
number of stories I'm going to tell today because I
had a great time out at gunsight. It is a
wonderful place. I mean, I love what we do it
got Raged Ready. It's a different kind of thing. If
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you want to learn to shoot, raised Ready is a
great place for that. If you want to learn how
to fight with a gun, gun Site does a great
job with that. It's two different things.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
We had this was the Jeff Cooper Memorial or commemorative class.
All nineteen elevens, iron sights, leatherholsters, so no red dots.
The only concession was there were some nine millimeters long
forty fives. That's fine. This is a and this was
(27:05):
being the fiftieth year of Gunsight. It's a special class
and so the top range masters there wanted to teach it,
and so we had the very best of their instructors
or range masters there. These are the top the thrones
we had for our class, the three instructors. Unbelievable amount
(27:26):
of experience in law enforcement with the stories that go
along with it, because I always say cops have the
greatest stories because they're dealing with people and people make
for interesting stories. But they didn't tell a lot of
war stories. They just sprinkled them in when it was
appropriate to make a point.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Of why are we doing.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Things this way because they have procedures. It's not like
just well, they'm out there and shoot. Now, there's a
certain procedure of a way to get your gun out
of the holster, a five step move one two, three,
four five to get their sights on target, and then
we're putting the gun back and the whole Sure you
back it up five four three two one. Here's why
we do that. Okay, here's why we go to low
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ready when we're moving through a building, because there are
cameras everywhere, and you don't get to point your gun
at people who don't deserve to have a gun pointed
at them, and you can get charged with a crime
when you're clearing a house or going through a place
for point of your gun at somebody who's not a
threat to you. And there are cameras everywhere. So they
(28:32):
really emphasize going to low ready, keeping a gun like
forty five degree angle down when you're moving through. And
they said, look all these TV shows, how often have
you heard me say that everything in TV shows in
on movies with guns is wrong? And you'll be pretty
close to being right all the time with that one.
And they said you'll see swat military or whatever. They're
(28:54):
walking through these buildings with their ars or in foors up,
you know, on their shoulders and aiming at everything and
going yet, no, you don't get to do that. You
don't get to poish your gun at people who don't
deserve to have a gun point at him. That's a salt.
So we really worked on that. They worked on that
a good bit with us. We worked on head shots
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a fair amount, quick draw, making his shots, or taking
your time, and they spent a lot of time talking
about that. They talked about hostage situations or rescue shots.
They called him. They said, you know, when somebody's holding somebody,
they've got a gun or a knife to somebody, they're
holding them in front of them like a shield. That
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person thinks he has all the power. They said, actually,
he has no power because if he shoots that person
his shield's gun, he has no power at that point.
And further, and this is where you get into the
thinking game. And that's the one of the things I
really like about this is you say, oh, okay, let
me ponder that, and they said, they will explain it
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to you a certain way.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
He said, look, you have a lot of time you're
not in a hurry.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Guy's got a gun to somebody's head or a knife.
You can actually talk to them and keep moving forward
slowly to close the distance so you know you can
make the shot and keeping the gun low, low, ready,
and then when it's time, you just raise your gun up.
And when the bad guy figures out, oh, I think
(30:33):
he's going to shoot me, and maybe decides to swing
the gun or a knife towards you, he's way behind
the curve. You're much further ahead, and you can just
take the shot and you just press the trigger and
do it the way you've been practicing. They told a
story that really made an impression on me, and had
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this officer who if I remember it, I hope I
remember it correctly. He had been to gunsight, but he
was a trained up guy, former marine, really knew his stuff.
And they were called out. He had two uniformed officers
with him, and this bad guy had domestic dispute deal.
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He had two infants, like little, really young infants, holding
them by the neck, both of them, and he said,
I will shake them and break their necks and kill
both of them. So this is the kind of people
you're dealing with sometimes he said, this trained up officer
(31:38):
just kept moving a little closer, a little closer, a
little closer, with his gun out but not pointed at him.
A ready and then he said to the other two officers,
get ready to catch the babies. And then he made
this shot. You just do what you gotta do. How
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do you know you can do that? Well, you know
you can do that because you practice it. You've gotten
the training, you spent the time. You've put not a
few boxes of m downrange, you put thousands of rounds
down range, and may be more important than that, not
just throwing rounds down range, but working on specific things.
(32:26):
Can you make that headshot into an IDPA target at
three yards, at five yards, at seven yards? Every time,
every time you got treated like it's the most important
shot you'll ever take in your life, because.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
It will be. And how do you make that happen? Well,
you don't get in a hurry.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
You know you heard of the failure drill or the
Mozambique drill, where you do two to the body, one
to the head. Okay, great, so he gets big bang.
But look if you've put two shots into the bad
guy and he's not impressed, with what you're doing. He's
not taking bringing a lot of attention into your efforts.
And you come up to the head and the head's
still there, which means he's still in the fight, which
(33:15):
means you really really need to make this shot. Whether
he's wearing body armor, or he's hopped up on drugs,
or he is such a wackadoodle mental case that bullets
to his torso aren't really affecting him. You know, you
have to make this shot. And the tendency is to
(33:40):
say I gotta shoot fast. No, you have to shoot good.
You have to shoot well. You have to put a
good shot on target, because that's the only way you're
going to stop this mess. And remember, the only reason
you're using a gun in South defense is to stop
a fight. You can call the fight an attack or
(34:03):
whatever you want to do it, but you're basically there
to stop a fight. And at that point, what I
learned some years ago from people who, as we say,
go places and do things and shoot bad guys, is
it's pain.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Bang. Exhale press for the headshot. Exhale press.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Now it may be a fairly quick bang, but it's
a little pause. You're forcing enough of a pause to
make sure everything is where it's supposed to be and
you're not yanking the trigger, you're pressing the trigger, and
the press is everything. My story for you my friend Brad,
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who you've heard me talk about here. He went to
the ask with me, and Brad's a really good shot.
He shot a lot of competition, but he hadn't done
stuff the gun sight way, and a couple of days in.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
He's getting pretty frustrated. It's like, oh, man, could I
do this?
Speaker 5 (35:13):
And they're just correcting the grip and correcting this and
doing this, and then it's like, okay, just follow the procedure.
Follow the procedure. And he figured it out, and we
get to the very last day, day five, and they
do a shoot off. It's a man old man. We're
in this case shooter on shooter. You line up two
lines and you're move in advance and you shoot to
get somebody, and then the loser goes out and the
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winter stays in and he keeps going and going until
you get down for the last two shooters. Well, a
couple of stories about that. I was doing really well
and I was on my way to making the final
shoot off until I go bang, bang, click, what's that
(35:53):
loud sound? That's that click thing? So I do a
tap rack in the middle of this very quick stage,
and in slow motion I see this loaded round come
out of the gun and following the ground. I think, well,
that's weird, and I lost that part of the ladder.
I didn't make my way up because when we picked
up the round and I was buying inexpensive AMMO bulk ammo,
(36:18):
the priber was in backwards. Hey there's no alibis. As
we say, big boy rules, and I share to check
the AMMO. I'm scooping up loose amo from a big
old bucket and stuff at the magazines. I didn't look
at it, but it sure made a depression on me.
I am for competition and especially for self defense. I'm
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going to look at every round when I put it
in my magazine, when I put it in my gun,
because my life depends on it. So it cost me
the shoot off. So anyway, Brad is worker's way through
the ladder. He's a good shot, he's a really good shot,
and he gets to the final. I mean, it's two shooters,
who's gonna win the shoot off? Who's going to be
(37:02):
the final and you got to knock down two steel
targets on your side to a reload, and then knockdown
one to finalize that to win. And Brad discusses bank bang,
knocks him down two steel targets, does his reload, and
the other guy is just right there with him, and
so Brad's gonna shoot a little faster to get on
the target.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
And I've got the video of it, and he's like
bank bank bang.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
He's just shooting all around the steel target and the
guy next to him just goes bang and knocks down
the steel target on his side and wins and Brad
Brad said he was padded on that trigger like a
three year old with a new drum set. But you know,
sometimes those lessons stick with you. He's still grumbling about it,
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and because he knows better and he knows he can
press the trigger and he would have won it. But
he started hammering that trigger. And that's why we go
practice this stuff all the time. I kept telling myself
where I was shooting the stage, you know, press, press, reload,
press not shoot, not hit.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
For me, I need the word press.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
It helps me manipulate the trigger correctly or the best
I can. So while it was disappointing for him. It's
kind of fun to watch. I gotta tell you, I
got a weird sense of humor. I get that. And
he is out there working on it right now. He's practicing,
(38:29):
he says, because next time, he says, first of all,
he said about let's the launch on Thursday, he said, yeah,
I'm coming back. He said, yeah, okay, you got it
figured out. Now everybody comes back and you go back
to take the same class, the two fifty class. One
of the instructors says, yeah, he says, I go back
and take the two fifty class all the time, he says,
because everything else is just the two fifty going faster
(38:52):
in different situations. But what you really need to know
is in that five day two fifty class good stuff.
So there you go, press, get on that trigger and
press it, and we need to go faster. Just shoot better,
because you can't miss fast enough to win, whether it's
competition or a gunfight, A simple as that eight six'
(39:13):
six talk gun Or Tom Talk. Gun i'll get you in.
Here I'm Tom. Gresham this is gun. Talk, well this
must be my week for kicking off people online over
ON X i am at gun talk at Gun talk
(39:34):
is How i'm known on x you, know formerly known As,
twitter AND i posted a couple of things to tick people.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
Off we'll talk about that in just a.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Bit one of the things THAT i run into all the,
time and they actually addressed it at Gun sight and
we talked about it at Rains ready is trying to
unlearn what you know to be true which actually is not,
true trying to get over things you have held deer
(40:06):
in terms of what you would. Do you think you should,
do what you can, do what you are legal to,
do and then you find out, no actually none of that's,
right you're wrong about all that.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Stuff, well if he's in my, HOUSE i can just shoot,
Him WELL i.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
Can you can shoot, anybody not saying it's, legal not
saying it's.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Smart but he's in my.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
House, yeah it could be your neighbor got, drunk got
mistaken about which house he was. In his key wouldn't,
work he's ticked. Off he kicks in the, door figuring
it's my. Door i'll fix it. Later, Hmmm, yeah you
could shoot.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Him do you want?
Speaker 5 (40:53):
To, well you, Know juriy will let me. Off, well
that may not be the whole. Issue you got moral,
issues you got legal, issues you've got civil. Issues you
also got the issue do you want to shoot your? Neighbor,
well what SHOULD i do about?
Speaker 6 (41:13):
That?
Speaker 5 (41:13):
Well, yeah what's my default? Answer, right get, training have
a light on your. Gun, yeah but if you have a, yeah, yeah,
YEAH i Know i've always heard all that. Stuff, yeah
but if you have a light on your, gun you
get more of your. Position you know, what if they're
in your house and you're trying to figure out what it,
is shine your light on.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Them it's.
Speaker 5 (41:33):
Okay you need to identify what's going on. There you
can't shoot them without identifying what's going. On and maybe
by shining a light on whatever that thing, is that,
Person if it's a, person you find out it's not
something you should be. Shooting should you have a light
on your gun or should you have a flash?
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Light? Yes probably? Both why?
Speaker 5 (41:59):
Both, well if you're using your gun as a flashlight
to see what's out, there then you're pointing your gun
at everything you're shining your light. At, Now, yeah there
are techniques where you don't do, that and you can
get training on low light activities and go to a
forty five degree ready position and shine. Light, yeah, YEAH
i know all. That, okay most people are going to
(42:19):
point their. Gun that things to use their gun as the.
Flashlight how the gay flashlight's a good. Thing you can
scam with the flashlight and not be pointing a gun out.
There well you know if he does, this.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Man, YEAH i.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
Know how about working on the idea That i'm going
to try to avoid all of. THIS i posted something
that one of the rains masters. Said he, says, look
when you start carrying a, gun you can't flip people off.
Anymore you can't honk out him in, traffic you can't
(42:54):
get into. Arguments it was amazing what people. Said what
are you saying that WHEN i are carrying a, GUN
i lose my free speech. Rates what you should lose
is the inclination to start an incident that could end
up with somebody being. Shot how about avoid the situation
(43:18):
because trust, me if you get into a, shooting nobody.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Wins you're not gonna.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
Win even if you shoot somebody and you get off,
legally trust me WHEN i tell you don't.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
Win now we'll pick that up on the.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Backside, also we've got a gathering of gun rights activists
coming up next.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
WEEK i want to.
Speaker 5 (43:37):
Tell you about people who get together and, say what's the,
strategy how are we going to? Win what are we gonna?
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He was the first and he's still the best. For
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all things Mollistic, new guns, Second Amendment, personal protection, deep
part of it, Paul, Tom talk gun Now Here's Tom.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Hi, Yes, indeed it is in fact me I am
live today. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 5 (00:55):
We've been doing remote. We do a record show. We
had Ryan filling. I've been traveling but having a good time.
But of course it's all bit about guns and going
places and doing things and shooting guns and having a
good time and looking at new guns and theo good
old guns and learning new things. Been doing a lot
of learning recently and I'll tell you about that training,
both in guns and other things. So just finished three
days of training and flying airplanes in the back country
(01:18):
in Idaho. It's kind of a lot of parallels I'll
draw for you because I think there's some similar things
when it comes to risk management and decision making. We'll
talk a little bit about that. Of course, as always,
it's your time to call in, and you can call
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I'm your host. This is Gun Talk. I've been doing
(01:39):
this for thirty one years now on the radio, and
of course we have thousands of videos we put out.
You can find them over on YouTube and Facebook, and
of course our new network, Slash channel Shooting Sports Life,
which you can get actually streaming on your own TV.
Just add on like you do Prime or Netflix or
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(02:00):
to talk about, it's just a lot of things going
on we want to talk about, and I want to
open it up for you. Whether it's a question or
a comment or something I said you disagree with, by
all means, let's do that. Or if you just want
to share a story about a gun you like that
you took out and you shot, or maybe he took
some friends out to the range, and you had some
(02:21):
fun with him. We just were kind of sitting around
the big old campfire here and having a good old time.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
So there you go.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
In the continuing culture war when it comes to firearms
and guns and gun rights. There are a lot of
different fronts on this war, a lot of things going on,
and some of them people don't recognize as being important
when they actually are. Because if you lose the culture war,
you lose the Second Amendment. I know, people say, well,
(02:49):
we got the Second Amendment, it's in the Constitution. Well
yet it is until it's not. Is it possible to
lose enough of the culture to where you lose the
Second Amendment solutely without a doubt. It's why I'm always
talking about what the news is doing, what the so
called journalists are doing when they're representing guns, and the
(03:10):
stories they tell and the lies they tell, and the
misrepresentations about self defense with guns, and it goes on
and on. And one of the areas where it's important
and yet almost invisible is a lot of times what
you don't see, maybe not what you're seeing, but what
you're not seeing out there. And joining me to talk
(03:31):
about something that just happened to them. It's happened to
others to Greg Buckle joins us from Big Horn Armory.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Greg, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
I appreciate you taking time out of your three day
weekend to join.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
Us here job my pleasure to be with you again.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
You bet all right? So we know through several years
of what's going on over on YouTube. YouTube is not
a gun friendly environment, although they allow if you wild
gun centric channels, and you had a good YouTube channel
going until just a few days ago, and then they
just slammed you for it, didn't it.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
They pretty much they terminated us about two weeks ago
for videos that had been on there for years.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
What did they tell you?
Speaker 5 (04:20):
I mean, for those who don't know, when you're on YouTube,
they have a process where they issue you a strike,
and they have changed their rules as they go along.
And then they used the new rules to go back
and look at videos you posted ten years ago and say, oh,
that video from way back then violates the new rules.
That's a strike against you. And it's almost like dealing
(04:45):
with this entity that you can't even communicate with, isn't it.
Speaker 6 (04:50):
Well, totally you know, they offer a process called reviewing,
and you could appeal and all have fun stuff. And
you know you asked them, well, what did we do wrong?
You know, tell us, you know we'll be's the corrected.
Never get an answer, They just they just go it's
(05:12):
a strike. Too bad, you're out right, and it's not.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Like you say, well, you know you've got to time out. No,
they have wiped out your channel that you've spent years
and years building, and all of your followers on your channel,
and it's just all gone overnight, just like somebody in
Singapore or Malaysia or someplace flip the switch.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
It's just gone.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
Absolutely, I can't even access the back end pages anymore.
If I wanted to get my videos off, I couldn't now,
thank god, after the first strike, I took all the
videos off and copied them off. But if I hadn't
done that, it'd all be completely gone because they won't
even let me access to the back end channel.
Speaker 5 (05:57):
And so what happens. Obviously you're not the first person
this has happened to. It's happened to a lot of
gun tubers, a lot of people putting messages out and
as they change the rules, they'll say, well you know, yeah,
two years ago it was fine for you to pick
up a gun. Now our policy is on live streaming videos,
you can't touch a gun, you can't pick it up,
and if you do, I mean literally can't pick it up,
(06:19):
that would be a strike against you. And it's hard
to know what's going on. But Greg, if you would
talk about this, because people now they don't see news
about Big Horn Armor, your company, and your very cool guns.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
And it is just as though you disappeared.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
It's like you had all this signage on the road
and somebody came along overnight and took down all your
signs and now people can't find you.
Speaker 6 (06:48):
That's essentially the truth.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
You know.
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Fortunately, YouTube is not our only place, and we kind
of kind of expected this stuff because we had seen
it happen to some affiliates friends of ours, gunblasts dot com.
They got terminated late last year pretty much the same
kind of deal. You know, it's all old videos, so
(07:11):
we were kind of figuring YouTube YouTube was going to
go away for as sooner or later, and it went
away sooner, but we kind of planned for it, Thank goodness.
Speaker 7 (07:22):
If you would tell people about Bighorn Armory, well, we
make big bore lever guns and ars, fifty caliber stuff,
five hundred Smith and Wesson for sixty Smith and Wesson,
the line blog calibers.
Speaker 6 (07:43):
That's pretty much about it. But we make kind of
bespoke guns. Our guns are a cut above the average gun.
We really nice would and we hand polish everything. We
do everything back the old school way that you to
be done back in the late eighteen hundreds when you
(08:04):
had skilled craftsmen all over. We have skilled craftsmen too,
and we produced really pretty guns.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
You do it, you do it.
Speaker 5 (08:12):
They're gorgeous and neil and as you will recognize, it's
not something that modern manufacturers can do mass produced because
it costs too much and you can't find enough people
who could do the kind of hand work that you
have to do on your guns.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
That is true. I mean, we're fortunate we're in Wyoming
and it's a very gun friendly state, and we probably
have more gunsmiths in our area of Wyoming per capita
than anywhere else in the world. I mean, you know,
we put an add out for a new for a
gunsmith and we get half a dozen responses right away.
(08:52):
You couldn't get that in most places. And these guys
are skilled guys. They're not you know, they're not rookies.
So it's kind of fun.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
Yeah, and you're in code. It's not like you're in
a major population base there.
Speaker 6 (09:03):
Well that's very true. But again, the culture here is
a whole lot different than most places. It's a gun culture.
Everybody has gone.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
And you know, to the I wanted to make a
point that people say, what's the big deal about having
a fifty caliber you know, cartridge? People should run if
they can run the numbers on the surface area of
a forty four magnum, which is really a point four
to two nine, it's not a forty four, it's a
four point thirty. Really, the surface area of the bullet
(09:34):
of that versus the surface area of a five hundred
and it is enormous.
Speaker 4 (09:39):
It is so much different. It hits so much harder.
Speaker 5 (09:42):
It's demonstrable and noticeable when you shoot something with that.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
I can tell you it's thirty four percent bigger. I
mean thirty you know, it's like you don't think about it,
you know, think about back in the day guys should
eat buffalo hunters. What did they use? They use forty
five seventies fifty calibers they use big stuff and they'd
shoot long distance, and you know, they were fairly slow
(10:09):
moving bullets because it's all black powder. But they still
they penetrate like no tomorrow and you go through it
and they kill. They were killing bison. Bison's one of
the toughest animals on the planet. I mean, Cape buffalo's
are probably a little tougher. Elephants are a little tougher.
Our guns have taken those animals too, But bison, if
(10:33):
you have a big bullet, you could take anything. Yeah,
you don't have to worry about it, and you don't
have to chase them either. Well.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
The other thing is, if you have a big bullet,
you don't have to have an expanding bullet. You can
make that a hard cast lead and it just penetrates
like crazy and makes the big.
Speaker 6 (10:51):
Hole while does it absolutely, I mean, you know, it's
a win win situation. I use it as my dear
gun it considerably, you know what. I Since I shifted
to a big boar as a deer hunting rifle, I
have not chased the deer. They've never taken more than
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three steps, you.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Know, and Greg or something else that people don't understand.
When you shoot a deer with like a five hundred
Smith and West and using lead bullets, you actually tear
up less meat than you do with a high velocity
expanding bullet, don't you.
Speaker 6 (11:30):
That is very very true. There's a very you could
eat almost up to the to the wold.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
All right, well Alberke said you could eat right to
the hole.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Yeah, a quarter inch margin around that is questionable, but
everything else is just fine.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
Well, you make beautiful guns, and they are aspirational. If
people said, boy, I'd love to have a really nice
lever action and say, you know, you got to go
look at the big Horn Army I mean it's at
a price point that's higher than what you're going to
pay for the store bought stuff a lot of times.
But if you're looking for a gun that you can say,
this is a bucket list item and you make.
Speaker 6 (12:09):
Them, well we do. And you know what, it's one
other thing to consider. We think. You know, you buy
a big Horn Armory gun, you're buying it for several
generations down the road because they're still going to be
using it, because it's going to work. They don't break.
Speaker 5 (12:26):
Well, YouTube's not going to hurt you because you make
good stuff and the word keeps getting out there. So
but I did want you to tell the story.
Speaker 4 (12:32):
Greg. I appreciate it, and I appreciate your time today. Tom.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
There's my pleasure, indeed, and there's a wonderful time to
talk to you and have a wonderful Memorial day.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
All right, you have a great time too. All right,
thank you, sir. All right, we are open lines now.
If you want to join us. Anything on your mind
you want to talk about, let's do it. We can
talk about big bore stuff. We can talk about gun fighting,
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All right back with me here eight six six Talk
Gun or Tom Talkgun to get you in here, I'm
Tom Gresham. You can check us out over on YouTube.
You've got gun Talk over there. But you know, we
actually have more viewers for our videos on Facebook of
all things look for gun Talk or gun Talk Media,
and we just I got to brag on the folks
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down in Louisiana. It's a small crew in terms of
number of people, but they outperform a lot of companies
that have several times more employees.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Just hit a million followers on.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
Facebook, which is huge, and honestly, I will tell you,
we saw what was going on at YouTube some years ago.
It started making a transition and putting a lot more
into Facebook into other platforms, and no Rumbles not really
an alternative. I know everybody said we'll put it on Rumble.
There's not many people there really, and so we're really
(16:54):
working Facebook. And of course we've created our own network,
our own channel. You can put it on your smart TV.
It's called Shooting Sports Life. You can just look it
up Shooting SportsLife dot com and figure out how to
get that on your TV. And that's not streaming where
you click on different videos. It's actually like a regular
all style TV channel where there's shows running all the time.
(17:15):
You just turn it on and catch whatever's running, and
then there's the next show or the next show and
the next show. And it's all about guns and shooting
and competition and hunting and things like that. So fun stuff.
But anyway, the folks down Louisiana are doing great work.
Of course, we have rains Ready Studios there. I'm looking
right now cast some classes coming up May thirty. We
got Essential Pistol Skills, basically getting you started with your pistol,
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and then we have essential Pistol and car being skills,
and then right after that we have the Diagnostic Pistol Instructor,
which is a serious class. You will come away very
much improved. And yeah, we don't charge as much as
some of these other big schools, but I think you
get world class training there. Well, I know you do,
so take a look at rains Ready Studios dot com.
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All right, let's go grab ray on line three out
of Brewster, New York. Right your own gun talk. What's up?
Speaker 12 (18:07):
Well, Tom, I have I guess you can call it
a range report. It started at a.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Range I was at.
Speaker 12 (18:14):
I was in Danbury, Connecticut. They have a fifty yard range,
twenty five year old range. And there's this guy with
a very hefty pistol twenty seven four range. Now that's
not a featherweight, and everybody else is having trouble with
their belts and their oldest this guy not a bit.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
And I watched them and said, where'd you get that belt?
Speaker 12 (18:34):
So you wrote down the company name ko r E
Essentials of Courus.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I swear.
Speaker 12 (18:42):
To god, I would hate to get with one.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Of these things.
Speaker 12 (18:46):
And it's so hard.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
I used. I had to use ten sniffs that normally
go right.
Speaker 12 (18:53):
Through sheet metal, and I had to fight with this
belt to cut it down the side. But once I
got set up, I said, this thing doesn't shift, doesn't slide,
doesn't sag, doesn't pull, doesn't do nothing. Now I understand
what you appreciate.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
For all these years, all these years I've been saying,
get a good gun belt. It made such a difference.
You could carry a big, heavy gun and it's not uncomfortable.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
Right.
Speaker 12 (19:22):
Oh no, I mean he looks he looks fine with
that with that big smith.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
I mean my nineteen eleven rides in it like it's
a feather.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
It's funny, don't you find people say well, I have
a wide belt, and they go, yeah, I've got a
white belt, but it's this flimsy, thin wide belt, and
somehow they think they have something adequate. And then when
you first, actually use a real, no kidding, made for
the purpose gun belt. It's like somebody turned on the
lights and you're going, oh, now I get it.
Speaker 12 (19:58):
Oh yes, now now I'm appreciate the gospel for what
do you think some.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Now?
Speaker 7 (20:05):
You know what?
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Now you have the problem that I have.
Speaker 5 (20:09):
You get to try to explain to people why they
need a better belt, and they did what.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
I already have a.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
Belt, and it's it's kind of hard to explain to
people until they experienced it. Once they experience it, you
don't tell them anymore.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
But you know, you.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Become the person out there who's the evangelist trying to
preach the message. Well, good luck with that great range report.
Thank you, sir, I appreciate that. Let's rear russ On too,
he's out of Mississippi. Hey, russ your own gun talk?
Speaker 13 (20:35):
Hey are you I am quote about?
Speaker 4 (20:42):
Yeah? Go ahead.
Speaker 13 (20:45):
I read a good article in Guns magazine a couple
weeks ago about an individual named Buckskin Bill, and I
was very intrigued. It was an excellent article, and you know,
he was just a very fascinating person. Got the looking
online about more art as far as I saw where
your fither had written a had gone and visited out
(21:05):
there at his compound and wrote a big article on him.
I just I just wanted to ask if you ever
get to meet him or know anything about him, or.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
I did not? I did.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Yeah, I did not meet buckskin Bill. The real name
was Sylvan Hart. He was quite the character. Actually, I
flew over his place two days ago. I was out
doing some training flying in the back country and we
went over buckskin Bill's place. But people can people can
look it up. But buckskin Bill was fascinating left on
(21:35):
the Salmon River, on the main Salmon River in Idaho,
and Dad actually did a video with him or about
him for his TV show. And if you're flirting the
river there and a lot of people do rafting trips,
and they stopped there and they've got a little museum
and all that, and they show a little video on
VHS tape about buckskin Bill. And who in the world
(21:57):
is it. It's my dad and his video that they're
showing in the middle of nowhere in Idaho. But yeah,
if you look up buckskin Bill for anybody else that's interested,
he was a fascinating guy, built his own guns, lived
down in the middle of nowhere, as a lot of
people did. I don't know what his backstory was, but
a lot of people out in the back country here,
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this is as far as they could run, and they
just kind of turned their back and this is where
they're gonna live. Reminds it reminds me a lot of
Alaska that way. All right, eight six six talk gun
or Tom talk gun. Gets you injured, we're open lines,
give me a holler. We'll talk about guns.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
All right, back with you.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
Tom gresham Et six y six talk gun or Tom
talk gun. Either way, same number, just different ways of
saying it.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Let's these Zan.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Called in out of North Carolina. Hello, Zan, you got
a story about a quitter you shot?
Speaker 14 (22:52):
Yeah? Tom? How you doing?
Speaker 5 (22:53):
Man?
Speaker 14 (22:54):
I listen to you every Sunday. Yeah, we gotter. I'm
not much of a killer, but we've had a raccoon
noosance problem them for the beginning of this coming warm season.
And I ended up trapping one the other night, and
and instead of losing the fight with a pair of gloves,
I decided to offer him with a twenty two long
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rifle revolver and I put two in him right out
of the gate, and he went down. But when I
cleaned him.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
The slugs.
Speaker 7 (23:24):
I mean that's.
Speaker 14 (23:25):
Point blank with a twenty two long rifle probably six
inch barrel, and they didn't even go through the second
side of the skin. And it's by a shoulder or
neck shot is where I took him out. And I
was surprised to see that that slug still inside the
raccoon's body. So to talked about a tough animal, Well,
they are.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Tough, and of course twenty two sometimes will penetrate. Well,
I mean, what you're describing is something that we kind
of know, is that you never know exactly what's going
to happen. We say, well, I've got whatever it does,
thirty out six or six y five creed board that'll
take care of it. Well, it does until don't. And
that's why we're always ready to shoot a critter again.
But in your case, I'm kind of with you, like
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you're thinking, man probably should have gone all the way
through that animal, just point blank wings like that.
Speaker 14 (24:12):
I would have thought, because I was worried about knocking
a piece of wire out on my on my my
live trap on the other side. But no, the slugs
didn't even go completely through the animal.
Speaker 5 (24:21):
I'll be done. Have you talking about your raccoon problem.
Have you had any evidence so far of rabies?
Speaker 14 (24:31):
No? No, we have not. And I'm like, we've got
acreage that we deem as a wildlife sanctuary. I don't hunt,
and primarily I just don't, and we don't let anybody
hunt the acreage. It's just we just let the animals
live there. I'm an animal lover, but I eat animals,
don't get me wrong. But the raccoon still is really good.
Speaker 5 (24:51):
Yeah, I understand, but yeah, because I mean we had
a problem when I was in Louisiana. I mean we
had a rabid raccoon in the backyard. I mean it
was clearly kind of just and around and typically what
happens is the back legs start to go out on them,
and it was very clear what was going on. I said,
you know, we got kids, dogs, everything else in the neighborhood.
So I took my twenty two out and shot it
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and took care of it, and then of course handle
it with a shovel. I wasn't going to pick that
thing up because it was I had no doubt whatsoever
it had rabies.
Speaker 14 (25:21):
Right exactly, and I wasn't going to lose the fight
with with a pair of gloves, so.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
I just wouldn't know.
Speaker 14 (25:26):
You know, the animal did not have rabies or always
really smart and astute and sleep.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Yeah, yeah, and that'n't you know the deal. They will,
they will get habituated, they will come right in, they
will become a real nuisance. So you sometimes you just
have to do it, even if that's not what you
want to do.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
You just have to.
Speaker 5 (25:46):
I appreciate the call, sir, and a good info, but yeah,
who knows what any particular load's going to do. I mean,
I had a cop tell me about a guy who
got shot right in the chest with a forty four magnum.
The guy stood up out of his chair after getting shot,
when got in his car and drove about fifty yards
before he ran into a telephone poland died with a
forty four magnum. You're thinking, well, that doesn't make any sense, Well, no,
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it really doesn't. You never know exactly what's going to happen.
It's why we train to shoot until there's no threat,
which kind of brings me to the first of a
number of stories I'm going to tell today because I
had a great time out at gunsight. It is a
wonderful place. I mean, I love what we do it
got Raged Ready. It's a different kind of thing. If
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you want to learn to shoot, raised Ready is a
great place for that. If you want to learn how
to fight with a gun, gun Site does a great
job with that. It's two different things.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
Okay.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
We had this was the Jeff Cooper Memorial or commemorative class.
All nineteen elevens, iron sights, leatherholsters, so no red dots.
The only concession was there were some nine millimeters long
forty fives. That's fine. This is a and this was
(27:05):
being the fiftieth year of Gunsight. It's a special class
and so the top range masters there wanted to teach it,
and so we had the very best of their instructors
or range masters there. These are the top the thrones
we had for our class, the three instructors. Unbelievable amount
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of experience in law enforcement with the stories that go
along with it, because I always say cops have the
greatest stories because they're dealing with people and people make
for interesting stories. But they didn't tell a lot of
war stories. They just sprinkled them in when it was
appropriate to make a point.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Of why are we doing.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Things this way because they have procedures. It's not like
just well, they'm out there and shoot. Now, there's a
certain procedure of a way to get your gun out
of the holster, a five step move one two, three,
four five to get their sights on target, and then
we're putting the gun back and the whole Sure you
back it up five four three two one. Here's why
we do that. Okay, here's why we go to low
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ready when we're moving through a building, because there are
cameras everywhere, and you don't get to point your gun
at people who don't deserve to have a gun pointed
at them, and you can get charged with a crime
when you're clearing a house or going through a place
for point of your gun at somebody who's not a
threat to you. And there are cameras everywhere. So they
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really emphasize going to low ready, keeping a gun like
forty five degree angle down when you're moving through. And
they said, look all these TV shows, how often have
you heard me say that everything in TV shows in
on movies with guns is wrong? And you'll be pretty
close to being right all the time with that one.
And they said you'll see swat military or whatever. They're
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walking through these buildings with their ars or in foors up,
you know, on their shoulders and aiming at everything and
going yet, no, you don't get to do that. You
don't get to poish your gun at people who don't
deserve to have a gun point at him. That's a salt.
So we really worked on that. They worked on that
a good bit with us. We worked on head shots
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a fair amount, quick draw, making his shots, or taking
your time, and they spent a lot of time talking
about that. They talked about hostage situations or rescue shots.
They called him. They said, you know, when somebody's holding somebody,
they've got a gun or a knife to somebody, they're
holding them in front of them like a shield. That
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person thinks he has all the power. They said, actually,
he has no power because if he shoots that person
his shield's gun, he has no power at that point.
And further, and this is where you get into the
thinking game. And that's the one of the things I
really like about this is you say, oh, okay, let
me ponder that, and they said, they will explain it
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to you a certain way.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
He said, look, you have a lot of time you're
not in a hurry.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
Guy's got a gun to somebody's head or a knife.
You can actually talk to them and keep moving forward
slowly to close the distance so you know you can
make the shot and keeping the gun low, low, ready,
and then when it's time, you just raise your gun up.
And when the bad guy figures out, oh, I think
(30:33):
he's going to shoot me, and maybe decides to swing
the gun or a knife towards you, he's way behind
the curve. You're much further ahead, and you can just
take the shot and you just press the trigger and
do it the way you've been practicing. They told a
story that really made an impression on me, and had
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this officer who if I remember it, I hope I
remember it correctly. He had been to gunsight, but he
was a trained up guy, former marine, really knew his stuff.
And they were called out. He had two uniformed officers
with him, and this bad guy had domestic dispute deal.
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He had two infants, like little, really young infants, holding
them by the neck, both of them, and he said,
I will shake them and break their necks and kill
both of them. So this is the kind of people
you're dealing with sometimes he said, this trained up officer
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just kept moving a little closer, a little closer, a
little closer, with his gun out but not pointed at him.
A ready and then he said to the other two officers,
get ready to catch the babies. And then he made
this shot. You just do what you gotta do. How
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do you know you can do that? Well, you know
you can do that because you practice it. You've gotten
the training, you spent the time. You've put not a
few boxes of m downrange, you put thousands of rounds
down range, and may be more important than that, not
just throwing rounds down range, but working on specific things.
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Can you make that headshot into an IDPA target at
three yards, at five yards, at seven yards? Every time,
every time you got treated like it's the most important
shot you'll ever take in your life, because.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
It will be. And how do you make that happen? Well,
you don't get in a hurry.
Speaker 5 (32:52):
You know you heard of the failure drill or the
Mozambique drill, where you do two to the body, one
to the head. Okay, great, so he gets big bang.
But look if you've put two shots into the bad
guy and he's not impressed, with what you're doing. He's
not taking bringing a lot of attention into your efforts.
And you come up to the head and the head's
still there, which means he's still in the fight, which
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means you really really need to make this shot. Whether
he's wearing body armor, or he's hopped up on drugs,
or he is such a wackadoodle mental case that bullets
to his torso aren't really affecting him. You know, you
have to make this shot. And the tendency is to
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say I gotta shoot fast. No, you have to shoot good.
You have to shoot well. You have to put a
good shot on target, because that's the only way you're
going to stop this mess. And remember, the only reason
you're using a gun in South defense is to stop
a fight. You can call the fight an attack or
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whatever you want to do it, but you're basically there
to stop a fight. And at that point, what I
learned some years ago from people who, as we say,
go places and do things and shoot bad guys, is
it's pain.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Bang. Exhale press for the headshot. Exhale press.
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Now it may be a fairly quick bang, but it's
a little pause. You're forcing enough of a pause to
make sure everything is where it's supposed to be and
you're not yanking the trigger, you're pressing the trigger, and
the press is everything. My story for you my friend Brad,
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who you've heard me talk about here. He went to
the ask with me, and Brad's a really good shot.
He shot a lot of competition, but he hadn't done
stuff the gun sight way, and a couple of days in.
Speaker 4 (35:09):
He's getting pretty frustrated. It's like, oh, man, could I
do this?
Speaker 5 (35:13):
And they're just correcting the grip and correcting this and
doing this, and then it's like, okay, just follow the procedure.
Follow the procedure. And he figured it out, and we
get to the very last day, day five, and they
do a shoot off. It's a man old man. We're
in this case shooter on shooter. You line up two
lines and you're move in advance and you shoot to
get somebody, and then the loser goes out and the
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winter stays in and he keeps going and going until
you get down for the last two shooters. Well, a
couple of stories about that. I was doing really well
and I was on my way to making the final
shoot off until I go bang, bang, click, what's that
(35:53):
loud sound? That's that click thing? So I do a
tap rack in the middle of this very quick stage,
and in slow motion I see this loaded round come
out of the gun and following the ground. I think, well,
that's weird, and I lost that part of the ladder.
I didn't make my way up because when we picked
up the round and I was buying inexpensive AMMO bulk ammo,
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the priber was in backwards. Hey there's no alibis. As
we say, big boy rules, and I share to check
the AMMO. I'm scooping up loose amo from a big
old bucket and stuff at the magazines. I didn't look
at it, but it sure made a depression on me.
I am for competition and especially for self defense. I'm
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going to look at every round when I put it
in my magazine, when I put it in my gun,
because my life depends on it. So it cost me
the shoot off. So anyway, Brad is worker's way through
the ladder. He's a good shot, he's a really good shot,
and he gets to the final. I mean, it's two shooters,
who's gonna win the shoot off? Who's going to be
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the final and you got to knock down two steel
targets on your side to a reload, and then knockdown
one to finalize that to win. And Brad discusses bank bang,
knocks him down two steel targets, does his reload, and
the other guy is just right there with him, and
so Brad's gonna shoot a little faster to get on
the target.
Speaker 4 (37:21):
And I've got the video of it, and he's like
bank bank bang.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
He's just shooting all around the steel target and the
guy next to him just goes bang and knocks down
the steel target on his side and wins and Brad
Brad said he was padded on that trigger like a
three year old with a new drum set. But you know,
sometimes those lessons stick with you. He's still grumbling about it,
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and because he knows better and he knows he can
press the trigger and he would have won it. But
he started hammering that trigger. And that's why we go
practice this stuff all the time. I kept telling myself
where I was shooting the stage, you know, press, press, reload,
press not shoot, not hit.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
For me, I need the word press.
Speaker 5 (38:08):
It helps me manipulate the trigger correctly or the best
I can. So while it was disappointing for him. It's
kind of fun to watch. I gotta tell you, I
got a weird sense of humor. I get that. And
he is out there working on it right now. He's practicing,
(38:29):
he says, because next time, he says, first of all,
he said about let's the launch on Thursday, he said, yeah,
I'm coming back. He said, yeah, okay, you got it
figured out. Now everybody comes back and you go back
to take the same class, the two fifty class. One
of the instructors says, yeah, he says, I go back
and take the two fifty class all the time, he says,
because everything else is just the two fifty going faster
(38:52):
in different situations. But what you really need to know
is in that five day two fifty class good stuff.
So there you go, press, get on that trigger and
press it, and we need to go faster. Just shoot better,
because you can't miss fast enough to win, whether it's
competition or a gunfight, A simple as that eight six'
(39:13):
six talk gun Or Tom Talk. Gun i'll get you in.
Here I'm Tom. Gresham this is gun. Talk, well this
must be my week for kicking off people online over
ON X i am at gun talk at Gun talk
(39:34):
is How i'm known on x you, know formerly known As,
twitter AND i posted a couple of things to tick people.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
Off we'll talk about that in just a.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
Bit one of the things THAT i run into all the,
time and they actually addressed it at Gun sight and
we talked about it at Rains ready is trying to
unlearn what you know to be true which actually is not,
true trying to get over things you have held deer
(40:06):
in terms of what you would. Do you think you should,
do what you can, do what you are legal to,
do and then you find out, no actually none of that's,
right you're wrong about all that.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Stuff, well if he's in my, HOUSE i can just shoot,
Him WELL i.
Speaker 5 (40:23):
Can you can shoot, anybody not saying it's, legal not
saying it's.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
Smart but he's in my.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
House, yeah it could be your neighbor got, drunk got
mistaken about which house he was. In his key wouldn't,
work he's ticked. Off he kicks in the, door figuring
it's my. Door i'll fix it. Later, Hmmm, yeah you
could shoot.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Him do you want?
Speaker 5 (40:53):
To, well you, Know juriy will let me. Off, well
that may not be the whole. Issue you got moral,
issues you got legal, issues you've got civil. Issues you
also got the issue do you want to shoot your? Neighbor,
well what SHOULD i do about?
Speaker 6 (41:13):
That?
Speaker 5 (41:13):
Well, yeah what's my default? Answer, right get, training have
a light on your. Gun, yeah but if you have a, yeah, yeah,
YEAH i Know i've always heard all that. Stuff, yeah
but if you have a light on your, gun you
get more of your. Position you know, what if they're
in your house and you're trying to figure out what it,
is shine your light on.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Them it's.
Speaker 5 (41:33):
Okay you need to identify what's going on. There you
can't shoot them without identifying what's going. On and maybe
by shining a light on whatever that thing, is that,
Person if it's a, person you find out it's not
something you should be. Shooting should you have a light
on your gun or should you have a flash?
Speaker 4 (41:53):
Light? Yes probably? Both why?
Speaker 5 (41:59):
Both, well if you're using your gun as a flashlight
to see what's out, there then you're pointing your gun
at everything you're shining your light. At, Now, yeah there
are techniques where you don't do, that and you can
get training on low light activities and go to a
forty five degree ready position and shine. Light, yeah, YEAH
i know all. That, okay most people are going to
(42:19):
point their. Gun that things to use their gun as the.
Flashlight how the gay flashlight's a good. Thing you can
scam with the flashlight and not be pointing a gun out.
There well you know if he does, this.
Speaker 4 (42:34):
Man, YEAH i.
Speaker 5 (42:34):
Know how about working on the idea That i'm going
to try to avoid all of. THIS i posted something
that one of the rains masters. Said he, says, look
when you start carrying a, gun you can't flip people off.
Anymore you can't honk out him in, traffic you can't
(42:54):
get into. Arguments it was amazing what people. Said what
are you saying that WHEN i are carrying a, GUN
i lose my free speech. Rates what you should lose
is the inclination to start an incident that could end
up with somebody being. Shot how about avoid the situation
(43:18):
because trust, me if you get into a, shooting nobody.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
Wins you're not gonna.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
Win even if you shoot somebody and you get off,
legally trust me WHEN i tell you don't.
Speaker 4 (43:30):
Win now we'll pick that up on the.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Backside, also we've got a gathering of gun rights activists
coming up next.
Speaker 4 (43:37):
WEEK i want to.
Speaker 5 (43:37):
Tell you about people who get together and, say what's the,
strategy how are we going to? Win what are we gonna?
Do you want to hear this besides, that you know
what you can call in with your range. Reports give
me a shout right now At Tom Talk. Gun we'll
be right. Back
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